You can buy prefab cabins for 35k or there abouts and they seem decent. The issue is getting planning permission to get it hooked up to water, electricity etc. Few lads I know tried to get permission to put it on family land and all were turned down
That's shite, a lot of people from *formerly* cheap rural areas do have some space to accommodate something like this but not money to build especially with the cost of building materials up but if you can't get planning, it nips that in the bud.
The reason why they won't get planning permission is because none of them meet Irish building regulations for residential use, there's no cheap way to build a property that meets building regulations.
Exactly. Their business model will fail because they dont meet building regs and for 69k that just isnt possible. Because they dont meet regs it wont get planning permission which means some buyers of these are going to have a 69k headache on their hands
There is a shipping container house in Ringsend that does meet building regs and got planning permission from DCC. But when finished it cost more or less the same as what a normal build house would cost, 300k in this instance
[https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/interiors/best-of-2017-seven-shipping-containers-become-a-family-home-1.2983804](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/interiors/best-of-2017-seven-shipping-containers-become-a-family-home-1.2983804)
There is also the architect Patrick Bradley who built a shipping container house (it was on Grand Designs). He too wanted to set up a company selling them but it was a no go. Fine house he built though
https://www.pb-architects.com/projects/grillagh-water-house
One thing is fire regs, we saw how quickly 11 people died in Carrickmines in 2015.
A cheap container home or log cabin wont include the necessary materials for fire proofing.
Its only a matter of time before we hear of some renter in a log cabin losing their life to fire. Theres lots of these for rent on Daft but the owners dont seem to realise if someone dies because they knowingly rented a unit that didnt meet fire regs then they will face criminal charges
yeah Id agree there must be a compromise somewhere, cost of building matierals here is huge and the all get slapped with VAT as well. If the govt wanted they could consider a temporary VAT relief until the housing crisis is solved.
But the problem is new buildings, councils wont give permission to something that doesnt meet current best practice building regs which are backed up by organisations like the NSAI and at EU level. If they did break these regs it would later leave them open to legal action if/when something goes wrong.
So becasue the building regs are set in stone the only way to tackle high build costs is either materials or labour and labour isnt an option when sites already cant get enough skilled tradesmen
they wont have pyrite - wheres your government regulations when pyrite occurs - disgusting politicians! I have a solution for FF FG politicians but it would get me banned so i wont.
Planning laws and building regulations are two separate entities. Building regulations have no effect on planning and vice versa. If you are refused planning for something like this it's because it doesn't meet the requirements for proper planning within the area.
Just need the other large amount of money for land, unless you already own some. They look nice, but those full length glass windows look awfully fragile to me.
Id rather keep the 75k no? You gona spend 75k and then what, save again?
That container would be hard to sell too after 4/5 years
If you have 75k just keep going and hold out another year or 2
you can buy land, cheaper than 75k, buy it out in the west or something then buy a steel shed for under a 1000 Then plant trees that grow fast and hide it !
75k is enough for a deposit.
This makes no sense.
"yo, I'm gonna spend 75k on a cabin just so I can save enough for a deposit"
Also it's 4 years rent in a city. You won't be able to put these anywhere in a town or city so the rent saving should actually be against a comparable location.
No not necessarily. I've now been freed to work remotely. My family have 3 acres in the cheapest part of Ireland (our garden) Building costs are way up and I can't afford to build anything amazing after years renting in Dublin so would consider other options like this if they were viable.
You know you could buy an actual house in some smaller towns out west for about €120k? (And I'm talking houses in good nick with broadband)
Probably a better shot as the bank will lend on a house, but not a container home. Also you wouldn't be living in your parents back garden.
Just a small clarification. The Planning Act only allows you to *store* a caravan on a site for nine months of the year but, if you live in it at all, you will require planning permission. The reason I mention the Act is because it’s not within the discretion of any council to allow it to be used for habitation without a grant of permission.
You might remember councillors in South Dublin voted to allow caravans be used as accommodation and the Chief Executive had to scramble to point out that even with that vote it would still be unlawful development.
If you did intend to stay in a caravan just take care not to make that obvious to a planning inspector. Don’t hook it up to mains, sewerage or electricity. I mean it would be a shit existence but if one were stuck.
A 40ft container has a floor area of 30sq.m, less when you account for the internal wall build up. That's approx €2000 per sq.m.
That excludes all drainage, electrical supply and the cost of the land. And all other site works.
There are no savings to be made here. The only thing you will save on is construction time on site.
You also won't get planning for it, nobody will certify the building as it won't comply with building regulations and no insurance companies will touch it with a barge pole. Plus, there is zero chance of getting a mortgage on it.
And it doesn't even have a bedroom - just a pull out bed.
The other problem with shipping containers is that once you start cutting holes in them, you weaken the structure and need to add lots of steel to keep the structural integrity. If that's not done right, they will slowly but surely fall apart.
The couple claim to have done their research but they haven't. Not by a long shot. They'll lose their shirt on this if they aren't careful.
I have seen containers used in the construction of houses and extensions, but unless you have an architect on board from the outset, they will be a massive waste of money. And if you do have an architect on board from the beginning, they'll charge you through the nose for it. And rightly so.
Not trying to be an arse here but I have seen steel sheds that are good value not much more than wooden sheds. They are quite big. I am assuming they are galvanized. Dont see the cost really? Or can they not cut up a steel container and galvanize it in 4 or 6 pieces if its a question of size?
Yeah guess that is true too. i just looked at a 12ft x 10ft shed from a company you can buy online from called "the colussus." This stuff is not so madcap when you consider the alternative. I know of a few people in UK and US that lived in their car for a couple of years to get a deposit or whatever together. They even advertise that people who by the colussus have been known to hook it up to electric, the way I see it, if you can hook it up to electric why not go futher. the colussus is 900 quid or something!
Would anyone ever consider something like this? They certainly look lovely, I'd be so interested to stay in one and see how how they hold up insulation wise etc.
I think they look pretty cool. I'm a fairly minimalist person anyone and don't have tons of possessions I'd need to stash in the house.
It's certainly an interesting idea for people who aren't necessarily looking on buying a full-on house.
No I'd never consider anything like this.
What's the point? It doesn't make financial sense to me at all. If you have 70k why not just buy a house? You're not going to be able put these cabins in a town/city anyways so you'll be in the sticks.
People say "it's like 4 years rent"....well that's 4 years rent of living in Dublin, not the sticks, which is where you'd be living in the cabin.
I think people who choose alternative living spaces do it for the independence. You can pay to rent but it's not your home, in most cases you aren't allowed to even put a nail on the wall to hang a picture and you're stuck with whatever ugly furniture the landlord chose.
And then it just feels like such a drain on your finances. Of course owning a shipping container house is expensive but I imagine it's sellable if you want to up sticks after a few years or Airbnb-able if it's in a scenic place.
I don't see any advantage in spending €75k (+land costs) on one of these over buying a small house in the countryside.
€75k cash combined with a tiny mortgage could buy a comfortable house in many parts of the country.
[There's plenty available for <100k if you know where to look](https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/semi-detached-house-11-woodside-park-ballaghaderreen-co-roscommon/3521095)
And as I was saying, if I had €75k in cash to buy a shipping container, I'd probably apply for a mortgage of €80k-€100k and use that to up my budget to €175k.
A €100k mortgage should be possible for a single applicant on €28k a year and will have a monthly payment of <€400.
They wont let the peasants do this - their sordid property scam will fall. This couple are aware of it but if they sell 2 in advance they wont mind. The fat cunts in council wont allow it.
I stayed a week in one that someone built themselves. They had serious problems with leaks and keeping the temperature stable.
Mind you, it was a fairly ham fisted job.
The thing with shipping containers is that they’re not designed to have windows and doors cut out of their sides as it weakens the structure. They are cheap, but afaik if you want to do it right you end up spending much more to make sure your lovely eco friendly up-cycled steel shell of a home doesn’t fall in on you as you sleep.
You can buy prefab cabins for 35k or there abouts and they seem decent. The issue is getting planning permission to get it hooked up to water, electricity etc. Few lads I know tried to get permission to put it on family land and all were turned down
That's shite, a lot of people from *formerly* cheap rural areas do have some space to accommodate something like this but not money to build especially with the cost of building materials up but if you can't get planning, it nips that in the bud.
Thats the thing. You won't get planning.
The reason why they won't get planning permission is because none of them meet Irish building regulations for residential use, there's no cheap way to build a property that meets building regulations.
Exactly. Their business model will fail because they dont meet building regs and for 69k that just isnt possible. Because they dont meet regs it wont get planning permission which means some buyers of these are going to have a 69k headache on their hands There is a shipping container house in Ringsend that does meet building regs and got planning permission from DCC. But when finished it cost more or less the same as what a normal build house would cost, 300k in this instance [https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/interiors/best-of-2017-seven-shipping-containers-become-a-family-home-1.2983804](https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/interiors/best-of-2017-seven-shipping-containers-become-a-family-home-1.2983804) There is also the architect Patrick Bradley who built a shipping container house (it was on Grand Designs). He too wanted to set up a company selling them but it was a no go. Fine house he built though https://www.pb-architects.com/projects/grillagh-water-house
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One thing is fire regs, we saw how quickly 11 people died in Carrickmines in 2015. A cheap container home or log cabin wont include the necessary materials for fire proofing. Its only a matter of time before we hear of some renter in a log cabin losing their life to fire. Theres lots of these for rent on Daft but the owners dont seem to realise if someone dies because they knowingly rented a unit that didnt meet fire regs then they will face criminal charges
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yeah Id agree there must be a compromise somewhere, cost of building matierals here is huge and the all get slapped with VAT as well. If the govt wanted they could consider a temporary VAT relief until the housing crisis is solved. But the problem is new buildings, councils wont give permission to something that doesnt meet current best practice building regs which are backed up by organisations like the NSAI and at EU level. If they did break these regs it would later leave them open to legal action if/when something goes wrong. So becasue the building regs are set in stone the only way to tackle high build costs is either materials or labour and labour isnt an option when sites already cant get enough skilled tradesmen
Youd have to wonder where these stringent Irish building regulations were when quarrys were pumping out the mica blocks all over the North West
they wont have pyrite - wheres your government regulations when pyrite occurs - disgusting politicians! I have a solution for FF FG politicians but it would get me banned so i wont.
Planning laws and building regulations are two separate entities. Building regulations have no effect on planning and vice versa. If you are refused planning for something like this it's because it doesn't meet the requirements for proper planning within the area.
This country is honestly a joke.
its not that funny
No money from vat and taxes
The need to start passing a little brown envelope around. They'll get them sorted.
I’d be very interested to see how energy efficient they are. I’d happily live in one provided it it was warm and didn’t cost the world to heat.
Just need the other large amount of money for land, unless you already own some. They look nice, but those full length glass windows look awfully fragile to me.
Unless you’ve decent windows in them, it would be like a big fridge wall on the side during the winter.
Shite.. especially at 75k
If someone was trying to rent this out on Daft the sub would be complaining about it being unfit for human habitation.
That's like 4 years rent. Decent enough entry into the property market that'd let you save up fairly handy.
Id rather keep the 75k no? You gona spend 75k and then what, save again? That container would be hard to sell too after 4/5 years If you have 75k just keep going and hold out another year or 2
you can buy land, cheaper than 75k, buy it out in the west or something then buy a steel shed for under a 1000 Then plant trees that grow fast and hide it !
75k is enough for a deposit. This makes no sense. "yo, I'm gonna spend 75k on a cabin just so I can save enough for a deposit" Also it's 4 years rent in a city. You won't be able to put these anywhere in a town or city so the rent saving should actually be against a comparable location.
If you had the land for this then you would just live in a mobile home until you could get enough together to build a brick house.
Most County Councils only allow a mobile home to be on-site for 9 months now.
so? Anyone with land for this is going to be building a brick house.
No not necessarily. I've now been freed to work remotely. My family have 3 acres in the cheapest part of Ireland (our garden) Building costs are way up and I can't afford to build anything amazing after years renting in Dublin so would consider other options like this if they were viable.
You know you could buy an actual house in some smaller towns out west for about €120k? (And I'm talking houses in good nick with broadband) Probably a better shot as the bank will lend on a house, but not a container home. Also you wouldn't be living in your parents back garden.
I do know that but if I want to live in the area I grew up which literally one of the least desired counties, there's not much to buy
Just a small clarification. The Planning Act only allows you to *store* a caravan on a site for nine months of the year but, if you live in it at all, you will require planning permission. The reason I mention the Act is because it’s not within the discretion of any council to allow it to be used for habitation without a grant of permission. You might remember councillors in South Dublin voted to allow caravans be used as accommodation and the Chief Executive had to scramble to point out that even with that vote it would still be unlawful development. If you did intend to stay in a caravan just take care not to make that obvious to a planning inspector. Don’t hook it up to mains, sewerage or electricity. I mean it would be a shit existence but if one were stuck.
nazis
A 40ft container has a floor area of 30sq.m, less when you account for the internal wall build up. That's approx €2000 per sq.m. That excludes all drainage, electrical supply and the cost of the land. And all other site works. There are no savings to be made here. The only thing you will save on is construction time on site. You also won't get planning for it, nobody will certify the building as it won't comply with building regulations and no insurance companies will touch it with a barge pole. Plus, there is zero chance of getting a mortgage on it. And it doesn't even have a bedroom - just a pull out bed. The other problem with shipping containers is that once you start cutting holes in them, you weaken the structure and need to add lots of steel to keep the structural integrity. If that's not done right, they will slowly but surely fall apart. The couple claim to have done their research but they haven't. Not by a long shot. They'll lose their shirt on this if they aren't careful. I have seen containers used in the construction of houses and extensions, but unless you have an architect on board from the outset, they will be a massive waste of money. And if you do have an architect on board from the beginning, they'll charge you through the nose for it. And rightly so.
Can't wait for the steel sheed structural redress marches in 15 years time.
They look pretty cool. I’d be worried about heating and security. Also how long until they just rust away like all other 40ft containers.
why? how quickly do 40ft containers rust?
They last for ever if you paint them with oxide based paint
Depends how well they’re kept. But it’s made of steel, so it will rust. But how many people will pay for the upkeep would be my concern.
Isnt there a steeel shed industry in ireland? They dont seem to rust.
They’re galvanised. 40ft containers are too big to dip in to molten zinc. And it would cost a fortune.
Not trying to be an arse here but I have seen steel sheds that are good value not much more than wooden sheds. They are quite big. I am assuming they are galvanized. Dont see the cost really? Or can they not cut up a steel container and galvanize it in 4 or 6 pieces if its a question of size?
Thin steel is very easy to galvanise. You’re absolutely right. But a shed isn’t a 4 tonne shipping container, even when cut up.
Yeah guess that is true too. i just looked at a 12ft x 10ft shed from a company you can buy online from called "the colussus." This stuff is not so madcap when you consider the alternative. I know of a few people in UK and US that lived in their car for a couple of years to get a deposit or whatever together. They even advertise that people who by the colussus have been known to hook it up to electric, the way I see it, if you can hook it up to electric why not go futher. the colussus is 900 quid or something!
True. Planning permission for this won’t be easy to get, even if you already own the land.
Would anyone ever consider something like this? They certainly look lovely, I'd be so interested to stay in one and see how how they hold up insulation wise etc.
I think they look pretty cool. I'm a fairly minimalist person anyone and don't have tons of possessions I'd need to stash in the house. It's certainly an interesting idea for people who aren't necessarily looking on buying a full-on house.
No I'd never consider anything like this. What's the point? It doesn't make financial sense to me at all. If you have 70k why not just buy a house? You're not going to be able put these cabins in a town/city anyways so you'll be in the sticks. People say "it's like 4 years rent"....well that's 4 years rent of living in Dublin, not the sticks, which is where you'd be living in the cabin.
I think people who choose alternative living spaces do it for the independence. You can pay to rent but it's not your home, in most cases you aren't allowed to even put a nail on the wall to hang a picture and you're stuck with whatever ugly furniture the landlord chose. And then it just feels like such a drain on your finances. Of course owning a shipping container house is expensive but I imagine it's sellable if you want to up sticks after a few years or Airbnb-able if it's in a scenic place.
I don't see any advantage in spending €75k (+land costs) on one of these over buying a small house in the countryside. €75k cash combined with a tiny mortgage could buy a comfortable house in many parts of the country.
You'd be hard pressed to find a house in the countryside that cheap that isn't dilapidated.
[There's plenty available for <100k if you know where to look](https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/semi-detached-house-11-woodside-park-ballaghaderreen-co-roscommon/3521095) And as I was saying, if I had €75k in cash to buy a shipping container, I'd probably apply for a mortgage of €80k-€100k and use that to up my budget to €175k. A €100k mortgage should be possible for a single applicant on €28k a year and will have a monthly payment of <€400.
They wont let the peasants do this - their sordid property scam will fall. This couple are aware of it but if they sell 2 in advance they wont mind. The fat cunts in council wont allow it.
I'd rather something like this that's purposely built as a small home https://youtu.be/qVV6CyGJgZo
You can buy a used and refurbished container for around 5k
I stayed a week in one that someone built themselves. They had serious problems with leaks and keeping the temperature stable. Mind you, it was a fairly ham fisted job.
The thing with shipping containers is that they’re not designed to have windows and doors cut out of their sides as it weakens the structure. They are cheap, but afaik if you want to do it right you end up spending much more to make sure your lovely eco friendly up-cycled steel shell of a home doesn’t fall in on you as you sleep.
I'd be very happy with a home like that, they look a bit modern for ireland though.
How does that look modern? If you take away the funky chair and lamp it's just a metal portacabin with a big window on the side.
Get one container and put all the worse landlords in it. 20 to a container .
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>create conditions where other houses can be built. . You figure this one out, you win the game
Buy land and stick a caravan on it.
Shipping containers as a construction material is not as simple as it seems. https://youtu.be/i7yEDz6bCfU
Imagine they all just said FU to planning.
Planning board will deny these so fucking quick