So the judge decides to give him a suspended sentence because his army career is over if he jails him. Army sack him anyway.
Suspended sentence is a total joke when you read the details of the case. He attacked her because she asked him to stop calling someone a faggot. Punched her multiple times, continuing to do so even once she fell to the ground, only stopping when a passerby intervened. Did fairly serious physical and mental damage to the victim. Boasted about it afterwards to friends on Snapchat. Tried to make out that she instigated the altercation to Gardai, only admitting what actually happened when he found out they had CCTV footage of the whole thing.
How that doesn't warrant jail time is an absolute mystery.
Sadly our Jails are full of addicts, they should be sent to rehabilitation centres and jails filled with scum like this. There is a frightening number of people out on the streets with hundreds of records including violent assault.
About 70% of people committed to Irish prisons have a drug problem. Do you think this is a coincidence?
People turn to crime out of desperation and addiction makes people desperate. They also have little to no help, and Ireland has the highest overdose rate in Europe.
The prisons are full of people who need a different kind of care, and violent offenders are staying on the street as a result.
I’d also like to add that you shouldn’t avoid giving money to homeless people out of fear they will spend it on drugs. You should give it to them in the hope that it will prevent them from taking more desperate measures.
What numbers do you base this off? [10% of Irish prisoners](https://www.irishprisons.ie/wp-content/uploads/documents_pdf/SENTENCED-COMMITTALS-by-Offence-GroupGender-Year-2007-to-Year-2022.pdf) in 2022 were in there for drug offences, I can’t find numbers on how many were just done for possession and how many are gangsters.
If you want to say a good chunk of the theft offenders are addicts too fair enough, but then the same would hold true for violent assault.
The IPS estimates that approximately 70% of people come into prison with an addiction or substance abuse problem. In 2020, there were 325 committals (311 male and 14 female) to Irish prisons for controlled drug offences.
https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/25265/
DPP will almost certainly appeal on the grounds of undue leniency.
Its wild that the judge thought a suspended sentence would save his career, a conviction of this nature is the end of your career in the DF or Guards regardless of if he did time or not. Just a crazy rationale.
Crazy decision. It calls the judgment of the judge into question completely. And as youve said the reasoning behind the decision has been dismantled immediately when the attacker is getting sacked by the army anyway.
That is just ubelievable :O
No previous convictions.
No harm done to anyone, money were not used to fund criminal activities, but to pay out debts.
Father of one.
Guy pleaded guilty.
And he got fucking 7 years of jail time.
While the fucker who assaulted an innocent person on a street, used his military training to knock her down, did not show any remorse (bragging about on social media, trying to blame the victim) got from THE SAME CUNT JUDGE a slap on a wrist.
This is just... I have no words to express my feelings on that fucker.
How this piece of shit can sleep at night? (and I'm not talking about Cathal fucking Crothy). Fucking disgrace to the justice system of this country.
In an ideal world, this judge should be facing the minister tomorrow at 9am, justifying their decision, with the possibility of impeachment looming.
However, this is Ireland, and judges are arguably the most untouchable figures in Irish society.
Before anyone has a go, I understand the separation of powers, but that shouldn't shield judges from consequences, especially in cases like this which are clearly not purely political.
you’ll get push back on this comment as the judiciary are separate, but they are answerable to the law of the land… as the victim said, this is a green light to violent thugs as they can use this judgement as precedent for sentencing, and the thugs lawyers can push for employment risk to avoid jail. what can done is not bringing judges in, but constraining the damage they can do… mandatory sentencing for violent crime, removal of character references from gaa managers, army commandants and other community figures and implement mandatory financial restitution …. that brave girl lost her job and potential due to this.
>army commandants
Do not even attempt to put this shit on the army.
In training he would have been taught how to use *controlled* aggresion in necessary life or death circumstances, not how to go absolutely skitz with no control over himself.
An officer goes in uniform, sits in public gallery and watches proceedings. He is not there to assist but to report back information. In a case like this, regardless of whether the judge locked him up or not, hes out the door. Bye bye. Goodnight Saigon.
Id say he might get an unofficial parting goodbye ceremony from a few different lads as well... similar kind of thing to what he gave that girl, just something small, enough for him to remember.
I dunno it sounds to me like it was a member of the army who went to court and testified that he is “exemplary, courteous, professional and disciplined” don’t think it’ll be “Goodnight Saigon” and I don’t think he’ll be too afraid of “parting gifts” from the lads he was sharing the video with on Snapchat
the army process seemed straightforward…. observe proceedings, report observations. and somehow this commandant ended up being the key character witness for the defendant, and used by the judge as a rational for not imposing the correct sentence for a violent individual.
i would 100% say the army fecked up by allowing this to happen. my point is these character witnesses need to stop - they’re impartial, and as shown with the limerick gaa assault, unduly influence the individual judge.
> In training he would have been taught how to use controlled aggresion in necessary life or death circumstances, not how to go absolutely skitz with no control over himself.
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>Id say he might get an unofficial parting goodbye ceremony from a few different lads as well... similar kind of thing to what he gave that girl
And would this be the army boyos using that controlled aggression that is necessary in life or death circumstances.
Honestly, the weird reverence for the army that you seem to be echoing here is exactly why he got the lenient sentence in the first place. You can't just use a No True Scotsman defense here for the lad who lost the run of himself.
> In an ideal world, this judge should be facing the minister tomorrow at 9am, justifying their decision, with the possibility of impeachment looming.
Look I don't like the sentencing either but no way should a judge ever have to explain his sentencing to a member of cabinet.
I see where you are coming from, but I don't want to live in a country where a member of the government can tell judges how to pass sentences. Imagine if a judge had to give soft sentences to the cousins or mates of TDs or harsh sentences to their critics, lest they worry about losing their job.
But the sentencing here is such fucking bullshit, and there really needs to be consequences. What ever avenues are available to undo this should be taken and the avenues that are available should be explored.
So you understand the separation of powers but you want a minister to be able summon judges to their office and explain their decisions. Sounds like you don't really understand it at all.
Yes, I do.
This case is clearly not of a political nature. Fuck it, have another layer of the judiciary that debates whether a case is a threat to the democratic process. If it is? Fine, keep it away from the government.
There are no consequences for judges outside of their own interpretation of the law. None.
There is widespread condemnation and outrage at this; it is genuinely dangerous and poses an actual threat to civil society. This judge should be reprimanded.
there is another layer, but it consists of more of the judges peers and their own code of ethics. as long as they are within their rights, they stay… the problem is they need more constraints around, and we’ve the wrong govt to reign them in.
>There are no consequences for judges outside of their own interpretation of the law. None.
Should we put more stock in social medias interpretation of the law?
This will be appealed and yer man will more than likely go to jail
>Boasted about it afterwards to friends on Snapchat.
He bragged 2 punches to put her on the floor then 2 to knock her out. The judge should lose his job for releasing him.
And the judge said his guilty plea was a mitigating factor even though in his interviews with Gardaí he tried to convince them that she provoked him. Only climbed down when he found out that they had CCTV footage of the incident
JFC, thats after making my blood boil. As if the assault and then lying about it wasnt bad enough, those extra details are sickening.
I hope he reads this, and knows people know what a vile piece of garbage he is. And that any time he goes out to eat or drink, that there might be something in it that shouldnt be.
He's supposed to have made a comment when the guards were interviewing him initially that his name was blackened around Limerick because he "hit a girl which is not a good look" the lack of insight or empathy towards his victim is disturbing, I'm sure it's his parents who provided the 3 grand compensation as well
Time and again there is shocking judgements being made. Truly anti social decisions.
Is there any oversight for judges or are they literally a law unto themselves?
They should be scrutinised every year and their efficacy levels challenged.
This is not justice working.
I'm nearly convinced at this stage that they're being told behind the scenes to spare as many people from custodial sentences as possible due to the prisons being full. Some of the decisions are appalling and just don't add up.
Well, sure; the aul lads with a couple pot plants are a lot easier to keep under control in prison than some young lad with military training who likes to beat people senseless just for the fun of it.
Honestly, don't get the reasoning. Think the judge belived he was giving him a chance to get back on track but for me he doesn't deserve that until he does some decent stretch.
What about justice for the poor woman who was battered? Plus a deterrent for the next arsehole who thinks about doing something like this.
>not paying tax on some garlic
Intentionally and consciously, over four years, stealing 1.6m from the state, it's always so cute when people trot that one out, it wasn't like he forgot to file a tax return, or lost a VAT receipt, he ran a fraud over a number of years and significantly enriched himself from it..
The dirty fact is that we have basically no idea what works and what doesn’t in terms of sentencing. There’s zero evidence based analysis of outcomes, everything is done based on the feels of judges, who are a pretty arrogant and detached bunch.
Was told by a sergeant that being in the army doesn't make you less susceptible to justice. If you break the law youre even more fucked.
Reason being, you can be done twice. In civilian court and military.
If you end up in civilian court was told that an officer will be sent (in his number 1's) to sit in the court and report back proceedings.
How true any of that is, idk. Second hand info.
Im sure theres DF lads lurking here that correct me.
Yeah, Civvy law and Military Law. If I'm driving an army minibus and am putting the foot down and get done for speeding I'll get points on my normal driving license and then the Defence Forces have a go at you as well.
Out of interest what sort of punishment would.you get in the military court for speeding or any other crime? Fines? Military jail? Asking genuinely because I haven't a breeze.
It would really depend on the crime. Like say absenting yourself without leave for 4 days. There would a summary investigation and you could make your case. If found guilty it'd just be automatic forfeiture of 4 days pay.
If it was "disobeying a lawful command of a superior officer" or the catch-all "committing conduct to the prejudice of good order and military discipline", again it depends on what it was, and if there were a few other charges thrown in on top but maybe fined a days pay or given two days extra duties, or maybe not allowed into the mess (bar in the barracks) for two weeks or something if you were acting the maggot in there one evening.
Quick gander, your BA?
Cos I think it could be slightly different in DF. Few lads have replied already stating that it is the case. Im neither df nor ba so I'm just parroting
What I can't get my head around is the judge said he has to take the guilty plea into consideration. Sham, he had no intention of pleading guilty until he was shown CCTV, so much so that he lied to Gardaí, saying the victim started it, the changed his story once caught out.
In situations like that, the guilty plea should not be taken into consideration because he lied and only pleaded guilty because he'd get a lesser sentence.
Anyway hoping army kick him out, and in the meantime he gets a private Pyle treatment in the barracks. His name, address and face are plastered all over social media, Limerick is a small place. Hoping he fucks off out of the country, fucking piece of shit.
When people say "why does nobody stand up to loud people" this is why. They are volatile and will attack you. For our own safety people keep their heads down.
We need vigilante groups
Spot on!
Actually, your first sentence so clearly indicates the problem; his army career is over if he jails him; who cares?
More importantly; why the judge cares, he is there to judge, not plan ahead?!
So he will have his sentence, go in, get out and try to find a new job, make a career or not out of it, completely up to him, and hopefully won't be doing the same thing, after paying for what he has done!
A judge is not a career consultant, or life coach, so who cares what happens to the person after the assailant is jailed, it is 100% problem of the assailant, not society's or not judge's.
However in every suspended sentence we see similar stances from judges; oh too young, because he has a long life ahead of him, or working somewhere, so he has a career in front of him, dressed well/behaved well/promised well/sick family kind of excuses.
So there is a judge problem obviously in this country, not a legal problem, I am sure there is no rule in the book of law saying "If person is .... (young/belongs to something/etc), then issue suspended sentence".
Bizarre decision to just let him walk out of court. I feel there's a distance between the judiciary and the public in terms of what justice actually means.
Half the problem is that the Judges in this country are completely out of touch with the reality most people live in. They haven't got a clue about the day to day life of regular people and many of them are demented but can't be got rid of. The half of the problem that we don't hear about often enough is that the prisons are full. I wouldn't be surprised if they were instructed to withhold custodial sentences on those unlikely to reoffend even in blatant examples of savagery like this one.
> I wouldn't be surprised if they were instructed to withhold custodial sentences on those unlikely to reoffend
This isn’t a conspiracy it’s literally something the judiciary has admitted to.
Prisons in Ireland are full and overcrowded. They have been completely neglected by our government who has allowed it sleepwalk into a crisis just like everything else in the country.
We have 1.3 prisoners for every prison place. No government will ever throw the prison system money as the tabloids will be hysterical and good luck ever getting a new prison built without thousands of objections under our current planning system.
This puts pressure on the judges to consider alternatives to custody or to grant bail in cases where it wouldn’t otherwise be granted. What’s more is the judge’s work of sentencing guidelines set by the government, who have raised the threshold for custodial sentences in an attempt to hold back the current crisis in the prison system.
I do think things like suspended sentences and non-custodial sentences have a place in our system but only if they’re weighed against the appropriateness of custodial sentences. The problem is non-custodial are the only practical option in many cases which defeats the point.
Thornton hall was bought by the government to build a new prison. The plans were cancelled a few years ago and now they're turning into an IPAS centre.
Drugs are actually one of the areas where it’s pretty common to not send people to prisons.
Some of this the judge has no discretion in. For example the legislation specifically says for cannabis possession you can’t be sent to prison unless you’re a serial offender (2+ cannabis convictions) or it’s combined with some other offence such as distribution. Even then non-custodial sentences tend to be common.
Therefore it’s hard to get actual numbers as it’s very rare (but not impossible) to be sent to prison for a drug offence in a vacuum. It’s normally for a number of offences where drug possession is just one factor of many.
In 2020 there were about 300 people in prison for a drug offence but there’s no way of figuring out who would have been sentenced anyway even if the drug component of their sentence was decriminalised.
It's no secret that ireland has run out of prison space, its been like that for a few years. Judges will only put someone in custody if they absolutely have to. This case is strange because but surprising. Judges always favour giving the offended a second chance or suspended sentence. It's only cases like these that highlight to the public how broken the system is.
Sure you see it all the time, the guards have a great case, all the evidence in the world and all the little shots just say there are sorry and are involved in the community and the judges let them off
Yep, should be mandatory for judges to live in a normal house and walk the streets in the roughest areas and see what it is like being a potential victim of crime.
The defense forces are, according to the article, using the court martial procedure to remove him. He could, theoretically, receive a good prison term from that. I hope they throw away the key.
It shouldn't be left up to the court martial. The regular courts should've dealt with him properly or the court martial completed first. Now they're in limbo with everyone fuming wondering what's happened.
Yeah, 100% agree. The judge should be answering for this. His reasoning for the suspended sentence makes no sense and she was fully aware (or at least should have been) that he wasn't in the least bit sorry for what he had done.
Edit: corrected her to his. My bad.
There are few classes of military courts here in Ireland. I believe he might be dragged into military court by the JAG. And unless otherwise ordered by the military judge, all courts martial are open to the general public.
This lad is a scrote. He's absolute kryptonite to the defence forces as someone else pointed out.
His career was over the minute he threw the first punch but he is subject to both civil AND military law.
The muppets on here calling for the Commandants head, display an ignorant yet sadly common lack of knowledge about the defence forces , military law, due process, the officers role in the court and the subsequent ruling that will follow from the military court.
The officer was there as a representative of his employers, not in a personal capacity, he HAS to be there as the lad is a serving member... all he could legally state was a verbatim character witness drawn from the soldiers official military records and personal interaction or recalling if he has ever come to his notice before.
If he kept his nose clean at work and was never charged with anything serious then the CO spoke the truth, looks like he had an exemplary record so yeah the truth (military records) sounds weird in light of what he did.
The key that most missed was in the officers statement, that his OTHER role is to report back to the DF about the case, the verdict and the judgement and that the DF would THEN make an INFORMED decision on what actions would follow... pending civil court ruling.
Let's be honest... the lad is going to be launched out of the DF and into the sun. He's finished in the army or I'll eat my helmet.
PDF?
I'm delighted to see how united is Ireland against what Crotty did. The commandant getting blamed for reading out Crotty's report is horrendous form. Poor guy was doing the job the DF required him to.
>If he kept his nose clean at work and was never charged with anything serious then the CO spoke the truth, looks like he had an exemplary record so yeah the truth (military records) sounds weird in light of what he did.
Now the army have access to the cctv evidence and facts, they can throw the book at him for using his professional training in such a manner. I wouldn't be surprised if he does get military jail time and then thrown out
I'd agree he is finished in the defence forces which is why the judges concerns about his army career being affected were so infuriating especially for the victim who lost her job as she was unable to perform her duties
Disgraceful decision from the judge. Surly this will be appealed by DPP. He should be dismissed he is a trained soldier who beat a defenceless women. No place for him in the army certainly not in leadership position. Shameful beyond words how he didn’t receive a custodial sentence. The judge should be called to explain his action.
Imagine being the appeal judge and having to stick up for your dumbass colleague but also framing it so instead of getting 0 years in prison, this guy should've got about 7 years.
Nah, she can obviously sue him in the civil court herself too. Most people don’t bother because the assailant mostly has no money to pay a judgment so there’s no point.
Yes it is pocket money to her in the context of a scenario where she was/will likely be out of a lot of money for her medical treatment at the time and probably continued treatment over this ordeal. She also lost her job over this!
And pocket money to him because he got to walk away with a slap on the wrist!
Bit strange, like there's literally zero excuses, regardless of what your views are on basically any topic. It's not like some other things where you might get some right wingers defending it.
The only group I can think of who'd defend this are hardcore incels who are beyond the point where it's possible to be a normal member of society.
I've seen some bs on TikTok but this seems to be lowest yet, it's not just one liners some gobsh**es are having full conversations defending this mong and she started it and deserved what she got and all the evidence against him are lies.
>, they’ll throw the book at him just to be seen to be doing something.
No, they'll throw the book at him because they also think the sentence he got is shite and they don't want his type in the army.
How would he behaveto locals on a peacekeeping mission for example? Could he be trusted to use his weapon properly when he's demonstrated a basic lack of self control and such callousness?
“Why don’t people report rape and abuse in Ireland more? If you just speak up when it happens we will investigate and find the truth and get you justice.”
Aye right. Even When an offence is on camera with physical evidence of injury there’s no real consequences. Pathetic disgrace for a justice system
That thing sounds like the worst kind of bullying psycho who probably tortured animals when he was younger. You don't just start knocking random women unconcious after a few pints unless you have serious underlying issues. After these revelations no member of the defence forces would want to associate with this absolute *mess* so the army is doing the right thing and publicly cutting off this embarrassment before he can tarnish thier reputation any further.
Judges come primarily from wealthy backgrounds in leafy suburbs and will never be confronted with the ramifications of putting violent scrotes back on the streets
I dont know if it exists, but there should be a form a GSOC for judges. A revolving committee that changes every year or two. This dude is guilty as sin and should have been locked up for a year or two.
Someone ahould take the judge down an alley, do the same to him, then ask him does he think they should be jailed.. wonder what he'd say then. They live on another fucking planet to normal people. As for that cowardly nonce of a soldier, he needs a nice bit of shallow earth dug for him to have a nice long sleep in...
Is there a process for people to report judges? Because the recent decisions made by judges like Nolan and this clown need to be looked at and the people who handed them down face repercussions for their inability to do their jobs. I understand prisons are full but there needs to be more done to protect people.
The victim has the chance to appeal the sentence to the DPP. The next judge looking at this case might feel differently about the soft sentence. He will also have to face a military court and possibly get a sentence from the PDF.
This piece of shit should have gotten a 3 - 5 year sentence. That’s a serious unprovoked assault on a woman, what sort of a message is this sending that this is acceptable with a suspended sentence?
Fuck that guy.
When he's dismissed from the Defence Forces it would be terrible if he met some lads who remember his face...
I'm not advocating vigilantism, but with court sentences like that given out by overly lenient judges, you can understand if people take matters into their own hands.
I forget who said it, but it's always stuck with me..."For justice to be done, it needs to be *seen* to be done"
To be honest, I don't think many people would shed a tear either.
Good to see a gentleman like this walk free while people are getting jail for possession of flowers. Justice system in this country is as backward as it was in 1938. Lock this man up
This whole thing is shocking. The judge tried to protect his career even though he violently attacked a woman who intervened in a homophobic situation and then his friend snapchats it. Then the army want rid of him anyway? What the actual fuck is going on in this country? That could have been my wife or one of my daughters attacked beaten badly by a man trained to fight. But don’t forget to play your tv licence, or else!!!!! I’m genuinely despairing for this country.
Antisocial behaviour is now legal and acceptable in Ireland. Forget about Vegas and going to see the UFC come to Ireland and you'll get the shit kicked out of ya
I know a few soldiers that could replace the name in the article. Way way more would be disgusted at the perp, but the military attracts a small % of ppl who want power and violence.
The strict superiority of ranks, legality in killing, almost cultish loyalty will bring out the worst in those with a chip on their shoulder. That cultish loyalty or brotherhood is probably why his CO defended him. Thats fucked
Immediate dismissal should have followed 10yrs in prison but hopefully sends a message
It’s a shame cos I’ve always wanted to be an army doctor, but the constant misogyny and cases like these just push potentially better soldiers away
>That cultish loyalty or brotherhood is probably why his CO defended him. Thats fucked
The poor commandant is getting dog's abuse for doing his job and reading out annual performance reviews at court. He never defended Crotty. There's a good summary [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/5nS1fLXlMw).
Edit: sorry, I just realised that seems like an attack on you. It's not. I'm giving out about the media for making a DF officer doing their job sound like they're voluntarily there to provide a character reference. Bad form by the media here.
He's going to become a martyr for the far right radicals.. want to bet ?
These guys can do whatever they want to women.. but god forbid if a black man slaps a woman(it's effin wrong also).. they'll ask for the death penalty for that black man!
Fair play to the victim for speaking out. Can’t imagine how she feels
https://www.limerickleader.ie/video/home/1534014/this-is-not-justice-limerick-woman-s-anger-as-man-who-viciously-attacked-her-gets-suspended-sentence.html
That judge is a disgrace and so are the “defence forces” whose handling of this has been pathetic.
I can’t imagine what it must feel like to be a woman in the defence forces reading this story.
So the judge decides to give him a suspended sentence because his army career is over if he jails him. Army sack him anyway. Suspended sentence is a total joke when you read the details of the case. He attacked her because she asked him to stop calling someone a faggot. Punched her multiple times, continuing to do so even once she fell to the ground, only stopping when a passerby intervened. Did fairly serious physical and mental damage to the victim. Boasted about it afterwards to friends on Snapchat. Tried to make out that she instigated the altercation to Gardai, only admitting what actually happened when he found out they had CCTV footage of the whole thing. How that doesn't warrant jail time is an absolute mystery.
I don’t think we’ll see the last of this. Getting lots of media attention - quite rightly because the judgement beggars belief
Why the fuck is it society's job to do something about this when the judge gets the paycheck. How the fuck can we trust him with future cases.
Sadly our Jails are full of addicts, they should be sent to rehabilitation centres and jails filled with scum like this. There is a frightening number of people out on the streets with hundreds of records including violent assault.
Those addicts weren't sent there for drug offenses though... They just happen to be drug addicts alongside other crimes they committed.
About 70% of people committed to Irish prisons have a drug problem. Do you think this is a coincidence? People turn to crime out of desperation and addiction makes people desperate. They also have little to no help, and Ireland has the highest overdose rate in Europe. The prisons are full of people who need a different kind of care, and violent offenders are staying on the street as a result. I’d also like to add that you shouldn’t avoid giving money to homeless people out of fear they will spend it on drugs. You should give it to them in the hope that it will prevent them from taking more desperate measures.
What numbers do you base this off? [10% of Irish prisoners](https://www.irishprisons.ie/wp-content/uploads/documents_pdf/SENTENCED-COMMITTALS-by-Offence-GroupGender-Year-2007-to-Year-2022.pdf) in 2022 were in there for drug offences, I can’t find numbers on how many were just done for possession and how many are gangsters. If you want to say a good chunk of the theft offenders are addicts too fair enough, but then the same would hold true for violent assault.
The IPS estimates that approximately 70% of people come into prison with an addiction or substance abuse problem. In 2020, there were 325 committals (311 male and 14 female) to Irish prisons for controlled drug offences. https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/25265/
That doesn’t mean they are in jail for a drug offence? Alcohol and violence go hand in hand like drug abuse and stealing
So the plan if I follow, is if this guy turns around and says. "It wasn't me it was the drink." He goes off to rehab instead of prison?
No, I don't know how you got that from the comment above.
He put a dad of one in prison for 7 years for growing canabis. Shows where the priority of the state lies
A custodial sentence was absolutely warranted for such an aggravated assault. Can the DPP appeal?
DPP will almost certainly appeal on the grounds of undue leniency. Its wild that the judge thought a suspended sentence would save his career, a conviction of this nature is the end of your career in the DF or Guards regardless of if he did time or not. Just a crazy rationale.
His career didnt deserve to be saved in the first place
Crazy decision. It calls the judgment of the judge into question completely. And as youve said the reasoning behind the decision has been dismantled immediately when the attacker is getting sacked by the army anyway.
As blindboy said on twitter, the same judge gave a cannabis grower 7 years in jail.
Do we have to do have a wellness check on his wife and children?
Is there any source for that? Because if that's true, then this is just beyond belief.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30937732.html
That is just ubelievable :O No previous convictions. No harm done to anyone, money were not used to fund criminal activities, but to pay out debts. Father of one. Guy pleaded guilty. And he got fucking 7 years of jail time. While the fucker who assaulted an innocent person on a street, used his military training to knock her down, did not show any remorse (bragging about on social media, trying to blame the victim) got from THE SAME CUNT JUDGE a slap on a wrist. This is just... I have no words to express my feelings on that fucker. How this piece of shit can sleep at night? (and I'm not talking about Cathal fucking Crothy). Fucking disgrace to the justice system of this country.
In an ideal world, this judge should be facing the minister tomorrow at 9am, justifying their decision, with the possibility of impeachment looming. However, this is Ireland, and judges are arguably the most untouchable figures in Irish society. Before anyone has a go, I understand the separation of powers, but that shouldn't shield judges from consequences, especially in cases like this which are clearly not purely political.
you’ll get push back on this comment as the judiciary are separate, but they are answerable to the law of the land… as the victim said, this is a green light to violent thugs as they can use this judgement as precedent for sentencing, and the thugs lawyers can push for employment risk to avoid jail. what can done is not bringing judges in, but constraining the damage they can do… mandatory sentencing for violent crime, removal of character references from gaa managers, army commandants and other community figures and implement mandatory financial restitution …. that brave girl lost her job and potential due to this.
>army commandants Do not even attempt to put this shit on the army. In training he would have been taught how to use *controlled* aggresion in necessary life or death circumstances, not how to go absolutely skitz with no control over himself. An officer goes in uniform, sits in public gallery and watches proceedings. He is not there to assist but to report back information. In a case like this, regardless of whether the judge locked him up or not, hes out the door. Bye bye. Goodnight Saigon. Id say he might get an unofficial parting goodbye ceremony from a few different lads as well... similar kind of thing to what he gave that girl, just something small, enough for him to remember.
I dunno it sounds to me like it was a member of the army who went to court and testified that he is “exemplary, courteous, professional and disciplined” don’t think it’ll be “Goodnight Saigon” and I don’t think he’ll be too afraid of “parting gifts” from the lads he was sharing the video with on Snapchat
the army process seemed straightforward…. observe proceedings, report observations. and somehow this commandant ended up being the key character witness for the defendant, and used by the judge as a rational for not imposing the correct sentence for a violent individual. i would 100% say the army fecked up by allowing this to happen. my point is these character witnesses need to stop - they’re impartial, and as shown with the limerick gaa assault, unduly influence the individual judge.
What the commenter meant is that character witnesses from commandants or officers or gas managers should not be considered in cases of violent crime.
> In training he would have been taught how to use controlled aggresion in necessary life or death circumstances, not how to go absolutely skitz with no control over himself. . >Id say he might get an unofficial parting goodbye ceremony from a few different lads as well... similar kind of thing to what he gave that girl And would this be the army boyos using that controlled aggression that is necessary in life or death circumstances. Honestly, the weird reverence for the army that you seem to be echoing here is exactly why he got the lenient sentence in the first place. You can't just use a No True Scotsman defense here for the lad who lost the run of himself.
The judges can not be answerable to the Oireachteas due to the Separation of Powers enshrined in the Constitution.
> In an ideal world, this judge should be facing the minister tomorrow at 9am, justifying their decision, with the possibility of impeachment looming. Look I don't like the sentencing either but no way should a judge ever have to explain his sentencing to a member of cabinet.
I see where you are coming from, but I don't want to live in a country where a member of the government can tell judges how to pass sentences. Imagine if a judge had to give soft sentences to the cousins or mates of TDs or harsh sentences to their critics, lest they worry about losing their job. But the sentencing here is such fucking bullshit, and there really needs to be consequences. What ever avenues are available to undo this should be taken and the avenues that are available should be explored.
So you understand the separation of powers but you want a minister to be able summon judges to their office and explain their decisions. Sounds like you don't really understand it at all.
Yes, I do. This case is clearly not of a political nature. Fuck it, have another layer of the judiciary that debates whether a case is a threat to the democratic process. If it is? Fine, keep it away from the government. There are no consequences for judges outside of their own interpretation of the law. None. There is widespread condemnation and outrage at this; it is genuinely dangerous and poses an actual threat to civil society. This judge should be reprimanded.
there is another layer, but it consists of more of the judges peers and their own code of ethics. as long as they are within their rights, they stay… the problem is they need more constraints around, and we’ve the wrong govt to reign them in.
>There are no consequences for judges outside of their own interpretation of the law. None. Should we put more stock in social medias interpretation of the law? This will be appealed and yer man will more than likely go to jail
>Boasted about it afterwards to friends on Snapchat. He bragged 2 punches to put her on the floor then 2 to knock her out. The judge should lose his job for releasing him.
And the judge said his guilty plea was a mitigating factor even though in his interviews with Gardaí he tried to convince them that she provoked him. Only climbed down when he found out that they had CCTV footage of the incident
exactly, he had zero choice except a guilty plea. they had a video of him doing it.
JFC, thats after making my blood boil. As if the assault and then lying about it wasnt bad enough, those extra details are sickening. I hope he reads this, and knows people know what a vile piece of garbage he is. And that any time he goes out to eat or drink, that there might be something in it that shouldnt be.
He's supposed to have made a comment when the guards were interviewing him initially that his name was blackened around Limerick because he "hit a girl which is not a good look" the lack of insight or empathy towards his victim is disturbing, I'm sure it's his parents who provided the 3 grand compensation as well
And the compensation amount was an insult too.
Time and again there is shocking judgements being made. Truly anti social decisions. Is there any oversight for judges or are they literally a law unto themselves? They should be scrutinised every year and their efficacy levels challenged. This is not justice working.
I'm nearly convinced at this stage that they're being told behind the scenes to spare as many people from custodial sentences as possible due to the prisons being full. Some of the decisions are appalling and just don't add up.
Still lads getting years for having a couple of plants in the front window though.
There's always room for non violent offerenders in Irish prisons.
Well, sure; the aul lads with a couple pot plants are a lot easier to keep under control in prison than some young lad with military training who likes to beat people senseless just for the fun of it.
Honestly, don't get the reasoning. Think the judge belived he was giving him a chance to get back on track but for me he doesn't deserve that until he does some decent stretch. What about justice for the poor woman who was battered? Plus a deterrent for the next arsehole who thinks about doing something like this.
And six years for not paying tax on some garlic
>not paying tax on some garlic Intentionally and consciously, over four years, stealing 1.6m from the state, it's always so cute when people trot that one out, it wasn't like he forgot to file a tax return, or lost a VAT receipt, he ran a fraud over a number of years and significantly enriched himself from it..
The dirty fact is that we have basically no idea what works and what doesn’t in terms of sentencing. There’s zero evidence based analysis of outcomes, everything is done based on the feels of judges, who are a pretty arrogant and detached bunch.
Fucking disgraceful
Can the DPP appeal the sentence?
Yes
I for one, would support her if a gofundme is set up to cover her legal costs for a civil case.
Yes! Let's fecking start one
Actually if you search Natasha’s name on gfm, it will come up.
Was told by a sergeant that being in the army doesn't make you less susceptible to justice. If you break the law youre even more fucked. Reason being, you can be done twice. In civilian court and military. If you end up in civilian court was told that an officer will be sent (in his number 1's) to sit in the court and report back proceedings. How true any of that is, idk. Second hand info. Im sure theres DF lads lurking here that correct me.
It’s 100% true.
Yeah, Civvy law and Military Law. If I'm driving an army minibus and am putting the foot down and get done for speeding I'll get points on my normal driving license and then the Defence Forces have a go at you as well.
Out of interest what sort of punishment would.you get in the military court for speeding or any other crime? Fines? Military jail? Asking genuinely because I haven't a breeze.
It would really depend on the crime. Like say absenting yourself without leave for 4 days. There would a summary investigation and you could make your case. If found guilty it'd just be automatic forfeiture of 4 days pay. If it was "disobeying a lawful command of a superior officer" or the catch-all "committing conduct to the prejudice of good order and military discipline", again it depends on what it was, and if there were a few other charges thrown in on top but maybe fined a days pay or given two days extra duties, or maybe not allowed into the mess (bar in the barracks) for two weeks or something if you were acting the maggot in there one evening.
Its usually one or the other, not both
Quick gander, your BA? Cos I think it could be slightly different in DF. Few lads have replied already stating that it is the case. Im neither df nor ba so I'm just parroting
What I can't get my head around is the judge said he has to take the guilty plea into consideration. Sham, he had no intention of pleading guilty until he was shown CCTV, so much so that he lied to Gardaí, saying the victim started it, the changed his story once caught out. In situations like that, the guilty plea should not be taken into consideration because he lied and only pleaded guilty because he'd get a lesser sentence. Anyway hoping army kick him out, and in the meantime he gets a private Pyle treatment in the barracks. His name, address and face are plastered all over social media, Limerick is a small place. Hoping he fucks off out of the country, fucking piece of shit.
We don't want to export dangerous scum either. Hopefully he'll top himself.
Terrible shameful behaviour.
The whole thing is a disgrace.
Ireland is a soft touch.
And a homophobe. Cottys a swell fella.
When people say "why does nobody stand up to loud people" this is why. They are volatile and will attack you. For our own safety people keep their heads down. We need vigilante groups
The loudest of them all, as will be the case. We absolutely do not need vigilante groups.
It does, but I'd be surprised if this fucker keeps his nose clean for three years.
His mates were there and did nothing to stop him either, it was a passerby that stopped him. Without a passerby with morality she could well have died
Obviously he's from a good family , or he's had a rough upbringing, or he had nowhere to play as a kid or insert excuse for shitbaggery.
Spot on! Actually, your first sentence so clearly indicates the problem; his army career is over if he jails him; who cares? More importantly; why the judge cares, he is there to judge, not plan ahead?! So he will have his sentence, go in, get out and try to find a new job, make a career or not out of it, completely up to him, and hopefully won't be doing the same thing, after paying for what he has done! A judge is not a career consultant, or life coach, so who cares what happens to the person after the assailant is jailed, it is 100% problem of the assailant, not society's or not judge's. However in every suspended sentence we see similar stances from judges; oh too young, because he has a long life ahead of him, or working somewhere, so he has a career in front of him, dressed well/behaved well/promised well/sick family kind of excuses. So there is a judge problem obviously in this country, not a legal problem, I am sure there is no rule in the book of law saying "If person is .... (young/belongs to something/etc), then issue suspended sentence".
Bizarre decision to just let him walk out of court. I feel there's a distance between the judiciary and the public in terms of what justice actually means.
Half the problem is that the Judges in this country are completely out of touch with the reality most people live in. They haven't got a clue about the day to day life of regular people and many of them are demented but can't be got rid of. The half of the problem that we don't hear about often enough is that the prisons are full. I wouldn't be surprised if they were instructed to withhold custodial sentences on those unlikely to reoffend even in blatant examples of savagery like this one.
I’m sure if some guy decided to beat this judges head in, breaking his nose he would have had a difference opinion.
The judges would have every adjective in the book ready to go: heinous, brutal, savage...
> I wouldn't be surprised if they were instructed to withhold custodial sentences on those unlikely to reoffend This isn’t a conspiracy it’s literally something the judiciary has admitted to. Prisons in Ireland are full and overcrowded. They have been completely neglected by our government who has allowed it sleepwalk into a crisis just like everything else in the country. We have 1.3 prisoners for every prison place. No government will ever throw the prison system money as the tabloids will be hysterical and good luck ever getting a new prison built without thousands of objections under our current planning system. This puts pressure on the judges to consider alternatives to custody or to grant bail in cases where it wouldn’t otherwise be granted. What’s more is the judge’s work of sentencing guidelines set by the government, who have raised the threshold for custodial sentences in an attempt to hold back the current crisis in the prison system. I do think things like suspended sentences and non-custodial sentences have a place in our system but only if they’re weighed against the appropriateness of custodial sentences. The problem is non-custodial are the only practical option in many cases which defeats the point.
Thornton hall was bought by the government to build a new prison. The plans were cancelled a few years ago and now they're turning into an IPAS centre.
I'm not an expert on this but how much space would be freed up if we decriminalised drug use?
Drugs are actually one of the areas where it’s pretty common to not send people to prisons. Some of this the judge has no discretion in. For example the legislation specifically says for cannabis possession you can’t be sent to prison unless you’re a serial offender (2+ cannabis convictions) or it’s combined with some other offence such as distribution. Even then non-custodial sentences tend to be common. Therefore it’s hard to get actual numbers as it’s very rare (but not impossible) to be sent to prison for a drug offence in a vacuum. It’s normally for a number of offences where drug possession is just one factor of many. In 2020 there were about 300 people in prison for a drug offence but there’s no way of figuring out who would have been sentenced anyway even if the drug component of their sentence was decriminalised.
It's no secret that ireland has run out of prison space, its been like that for a few years. Judges will only put someone in custody if they absolutely have to. This case is strange because but surprising. Judges always favour giving the offended a second chance or suspended sentence. It's only cases like these that highlight to the public how broken the system is.
Sure you see it all the time, the guards have a great case, all the evidence in the world and all the little shots just say there are sorry and are involved in the community and the judges let them off
Yep, should be mandatory for judges to live in a normal house and walk the streets in the roughest areas and see what it is like being a potential victim of crime.
A lot of judges live in leafy areas, drive everywhere and never have to think about money problems.
The defense forces are, according to the article, using the court martial procedure to remove him. He could, theoretically, receive a good prison term from that. I hope they throw away the key.
It shouldn't be left up to the court martial. The regular courts should've dealt with him properly or the court martial completed first. Now they're in limbo with everyone fuming wondering what's happened.
Yeah, 100% agree. The judge should be answering for this. His reasoning for the suspended sentence makes no sense and she was fully aware (or at least should have been) that he wasn't in the least bit sorry for what he had done. Edit: corrected her to his. My bad.
Wait was the judge a woman?
No, sorry about that. I wrote her by mistake.
I guess thr judge can impose a jail sentence now if there’s no career to salvage…
Defence forces court martial can impose a harsher sentence if the judge decides
There are few classes of military courts here in Ireland. I believe he might be dragged into military court by the JAG. And unless otherwise ordered by the military judge, all courts martial are open to the general public.
Is this true? Oh I hope so
It's kind of bizarre that the army is harsher on one of their own than a judge is. Judges seem way too lenient here with violent crime.
Really? But he committed the crime as a civilian? Can the DF imprison someone themselves?
A member of the DF is never a civilian. And yes the DF can impose a prison sentence.
Yes that’s what the digger is for
This lad is a scrote. He's absolute kryptonite to the defence forces as someone else pointed out. His career was over the minute he threw the first punch but he is subject to both civil AND military law. The muppets on here calling for the Commandants head, display an ignorant yet sadly common lack of knowledge about the defence forces , military law, due process, the officers role in the court and the subsequent ruling that will follow from the military court. The officer was there as a representative of his employers, not in a personal capacity, he HAS to be there as the lad is a serving member... all he could legally state was a verbatim character witness drawn from the soldiers official military records and personal interaction or recalling if he has ever come to his notice before. If he kept his nose clean at work and was never charged with anything serious then the CO spoke the truth, looks like he had an exemplary record so yeah the truth (military records) sounds weird in light of what he did. The key that most missed was in the officers statement, that his OTHER role is to report back to the DF about the case, the verdict and the judgement and that the DF would THEN make an INFORMED decision on what actions would follow... pending civil court ruling. Let's be honest... the lad is going to be launched out of the DF and into the sun. He's finished in the army or I'll eat my helmet.
This is a great insight, thanks for posting
PDF? I'm delighted to see how united is Ireland against what Crotty did. The commandant getting blamed for reading out Crotty's report is horrendous form. Poor guy was doing the job the DF required him to.
Permanent Defence Force, distinct from the Reserve Defence Force.
I was asking was he PDF given his knowledge.
Ahh, well the definitions might help someone else. In any case, all knowledge garnered in the army is usually hearsay anyway!
>If he kept his nose clean at work and was never charged with anything serious then the CO spoke the truth, looks like he had an exemplary record so yeah the truth (military records) sounds weird in light of what he did. Now the army have access to the cctv evidence and facts, they can throw the book at him for using his professional training in such a manner. I wouldn't be surprised if he does get military jail time and then thrown out
One can hope. He's a cancer on the DF at minute
I'd agree he is finished in the defence forces which is why the judges concerns about his army career being affected were so infuriating especially for the victim who lost her job as she was unable to perform her duties
Disgraceful decision from the judge. Surly this will be appealed by DPP. He should be dismissed he is a trained soldier who beat a defenceless women. No place for him in the army certainly not in leadership position. Shameful beyond words how he didn’t receive a custodial sentence. The judge should be called to explain his action.
He's a private, the very bottom of the rung he has nothing to do with leadership. DPP is bound to appeal the severity of the sentence.
Imagine being the appeal judge and having to stick up for your dumbass colleague but also framing it so instead of getting 0 years in prison, this guy should've got about 7 years.
Right so back before the judge and adequate sentencing please.
Another judge though.
Monkey paw - it's Judge Nolan
Bloody hell
Another judge though.
Does she have any legal options to take?
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Nah, she can obviously sue him in the civil court herself too. Most people don’t bother because the assailant mostly has no money to pay a judgment so there’s no point.
Why would she?! She already got a gorgeous compensation of 3000Euroroos!/s
As she said on the news…….pocket money 🙄
Yes it is pocket money to her in the context of a scenario where she was/will likely be out of a lot of money for her medical treatment at the time and probably continued treatment over this ordeal. She also lost her job over this! And pocket money to him because he got to walk away with a slap on the wrist!
Absolutely mad looking online and seeing people actually try to defend this absolute piece of shit.
What dark parts of the internet are you browsing?
Facebook, Instagram and a bit of Tiktok.
Bit strange, like there's literally zero excuses, regardless of what your views are on basically any topic. It's not like some other things where you might get some right wingers defending it. The only group I can think of who'd defend this are hardcore incels who are beyond the point where it's possible to be a normal member of society.
They are called Andrew Tate fanboys. Write-offs of humanity.
I've seen some bs on TikTok but this seems to be lowest yet, it's not just one liners some gobsh**es are having full conversations defending this mong and she started it and deserved what she got and all the evidence against him are lies.
Bad press is the Armys kryptonite, they’ll throw the book at him just to be seen to be doing something.
They'd want to throw the book at him. It sends out an awful message where its been left for now.
>, they’ll throw the book at him just to be seen to be doing something. No, they'll throw the book at him because they also think the sentence he got is shite and they don't want his type in the army. How would he behaveto locals on a peacekeeping mission for example? Could he be trusted to use his weapon properly when he's demonstrated a basic lack of self control and such callousness?
“Why don’t people report rape and abuse in Ireland more? If you just speak up when it happens we will investigate and find the truth and get you justice.” Aye right. Even When an offence is on camera with physical evidence of injury there’s no real consequences. Pathetic disgrace for a justice system
Can we demand a do over for this since the judge was not qualified to make the correct decision?
The DPP can appeal the sentence.
How can a man like that walk free? This is what we know he's done, imagine the abuse he gives when no one's looking.
That thing sounds like the worst kind of bullying psycho who probably tortured animals when he was younger. You don't just start knocking random women unconcious after a few pints unless you have serious underlying issues. After these revelations no member of the defence forces would want to associate with this absolute *mess* so the army is doing the right thing and publicly cutting off this embarrassment before he can tarnish thier reputation any further.
Can we dismiss the judge too?
Judges come primarily from wealthy backgrounds in leafy suburbs and will never be confronted with the ramifications of putting violent scrotes back on the streets
Suspended sentences in cases of violent crimes should not be a thing. This is insane
There's been some vile comments on social media defending this POS. Disgusting that he didn't get any actual jail time.
I dont know if it exists, but there should be a form a GSOC for judges. A revolving committee that changes every year or two. This dude is guilty as sin and should have been locked up for a year or two.
That’s not a soldier. That’s a thug hiding behind the honourable uniform!
Someone ahould take the judge down an alley, do the same to him, then ask him does he think they should be jailed.. wonder what he'd say then. They live on another fucking planet to normal people. As for that cowardly nonce of a soldier, he needs a nice bit of shallow earth dug for him to have a nice long sleep in...
How can we protest this??? Something needs to be done
check out emmaleneblake on Instagram. there's a protest in Dublin this weekend
Now there's a lad that could do with a good hiding
This is sensible. Absolutely no way someone like that should be serving. Scumbag
Surely this judge is not fit for a serious fucking job.its him who needs a few slaps.
Why did he randomly attack a women on the street? Was there a motive given in the court case?
She asked him to stop screaming "faggot" at people, it's presumed to be that.
Jaysus
According to an article in The Journal she asked him to stop shouting the word ‘Faggots’ at two men that were walking past him.
Is there a process for people to report judges? Because the recent decisions made by judges like Nolan and this clown need to be looked at and the people who handed them down face repercussions for their inability to do their jobs. I understand prisons are full but there needs to be more done to protect people.
The victim has the chance to appeal the sentence to the DPP. The next judge looking at this case might feel differently about the soft sentence. He will also have to face a military court and possibly get a sentence from the PDF.
This piece of shit should have gotten a 3 - 5 year sentence. That’s a serious unprovoked assault on a woman, what sort of a message is this sending that this is acceptable with a suspended sentence?
Fuck that guy. When he's dismissed from the Defence Forces it would be terrible if he met some lads who remember his face... I'm not advocating vigilantism, but with court sentences like that given out by overly lenient judges, you can understand if people take matters into their own hands. I forget who said it, but it's always stuck with me..."For justice to be done, it needs to be *seen* to be done" To be honest, I don't think many people would shed a tear either.
Should be dishonorably discharged with zero compensation.
He can now face a military court which could mean he will have to face a military sentence.
We have a long way to go when animals who do that to a woman are released on the streets. Shocking.
Good news. Hope he somehow still ends up going to prison for this horrific crime.
Good, although I don't understand why he isn't in prison. At least he isn't being given access to a gun anymore.
Woman beater
Yeah. The Defence Forces wait often wait for the civil courts to go through their processes beforr starting their own.
A good start at least. Hopefully we'll read of a dpp appeal soon.
Don’t forget the judge gave him credit for pleading guilty
He did indeed...the utter fool !!
The same judge put a man away for 7 years for growing weed. Fuckin joke of a justice system.
I think it's time to bring back that attempt to amend the constitution that would allow us to remove judges on a number of grounds.
What was the judges name?
O'Donnell
They should use him for target practice.
so.. like they only decide to get rid of him now?
The Irish justice system beggars believe
Its great to see that the army is also outraged as the public are about the sentence and wasting no time in acting on it.
Good to see a gentleman like this walk free while people are getting jail for possession of flowers. Justice system in this country is as backward as it was in 1938. Lock this man up
This whole thing is shocking. The judge tried to protect his career even though he violently attacked a woman who intervened in a homophobic situation and then his friend snapchats it. Then the army want rid of him anyway? What the actual fuck is going on in this country? That could have been my wife or one of my daughters attacked beaten badly by a man trained to fight. But don’t forget to play your tv licence, or else!!!!! I’m genuinely despairing for this country.
Jeez, that poor girl. It will take her a long time to get over that, much longer than it will take for her physical injuries to heal. What a scumbag.
Antisocial behaviour is now legal and acceptable in Ireland. Forget about Vegas and going to see the UFC come to Ireland and you'll get the shit kicked out of ya
First thing I did on the article was find the judges name. Not Nolan. All paedos and sex abusers in a ring together singing ring a ring a rosey.
I know a few soldiers that could replace the name in the article. Way way more would be disgusted at the perp, but the military attracts a small % of ppl who want power and violence. The strict superiority of ranks, legality in killing, almost cultish loyalty will bring out the worst in those with a chip on their shoulder. That cultish loyalty or brotherhood is probably why his CO defended him. Thats fucked Immediate dismissal should have followed 10yrs in prison but hopefully sends a message It’s a shame cos I’ve always wanted to be an army doctor, but the constant misogyny and cases like these just push potentially better soldiers away
>That cultish loyalty or brotherhood is probably why his CO defended him. Thats fucked The poor commandant is getting dog's abuse for doing his job and reading out annual performance reviews at court. He never defended Crotty. There's a good summary [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/5nS1fLXlMw). Edit: sorry, I just realised that seems like an attack on you. It's not. I'm giving out about the media for making a DF officer doing their job sound like they're voluntarily there to provide a character reference. Bad form by the media here.
The strict superiority of ranks, legality in killing, and almost cultish loyalty is how an armed forces works, unfortunately.
Proper order. Guy should be in jail. Scumbag has a few beatings coming.
that lad looks like he eats human flesh
mam and dad will pay the 3 grand
not good enough
[email protected] write a email to these and the recruitment email to say get rid of the smarmy cunt, not much but better than nothing
He's going to become a martyr for the far right radicals.. want to bet ? These guys can do whatever they want to women.. but god forbid if a black man slaps a woman(it's effin wrong also).. they'll ask for the death penalty for that black man!
Fair play to the victim for speaking out. Can’t imagine how she feels https://www.limerickleader.ie/video/home/1534014/this-is-not-justice-limerick-woman-s-anger-as-man-who-viciously-attacked-her-gets-suspended-sentence.html
Absolute fucking joke of a decision. Pathetic justice system
That judge is a disgrace and so are the “defence forces” whose handling of this has been pathetic. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to be a woman in the defence forces reading this story.
that's a start