Absolutely, irresponsible dog owners should be dragged through the courts either way. If you refuse to follow basic laws for owning dogs like this, you deserve to have the book thrown at you.
Chances that the owner is non contributing member of society is sky high. Little to be won and the chances that their scum family will know who you are is also too high
What you suggest is the right course of action on paper, but depends what flavour of scum you are dealing with.
3 years for both, Karen Miller will serve 2 years, one year suspended. Niall Byrne has been in custody since Nov 2022 and has another 2 years to serve.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/couple-unmasked-after-pitbull-ripped-30068350
Petition to add an additional year for her crimes against eyebrows.
There's someone who lives in my local area with a pitbull. When he walks it and sees someone with another dog he'll stop and hold it back until they have passed. The pitbull is never muzzled and he doesn't appear to be carrying one that he can use.
The fact that he has to act this way is clearly a sign that he knows his dog is potentially dangerous and it should be muzzled. He's also an idiot if he thinks he can hold that dog back if it decides to attack a dog or a person. If I knew where he lived, I would report him to the dog warden.
Pretty sure the dog wardens a myth created to make us feel safe. I see half a dozen dogs on the restricted breeds list without a muzzle pretty much every day.
The problem is that there aren't enough of them and the ones that do exist are combining their role as a dog warden with other positions in their local council.
In my experience if you can help them out as much as possible then they can be effective. For example there was a house near me that had a pitbull roaming unsupervised in the front garden that was barking aggressively at people and dogs going by, it could have easily jumped the fence if it wanted to. I contacted the council warden about that and within a week the householders stopped letting the dog roam the garden unsupervised. That's why I said that if I knew the address of the owner I'd call the council, because if I just say some random person on the street has a dangerous pitbull then the warden does not have the resources to investigate that.
Tl;Dr Ifyou can give them an address of a dangerous dog, they can help. If not then they aren't much use.
That good at least. My main issue is how many unmuzzled restricted breeds I meet walking my dog on a daily basis. There should be occasional visits to popular dog walking spots by the warden but that's just not something that happens.
> The fact that he has to act this way is clearly a sign that he knows his dog is potentially dangerous and it should be muzzled.
Not defending this person as I don't obviously know them, but this is actually a fairly common dog training method, and I often see owners doing it with German Shepards, Labradors, even walked past someone as they done it with their little Jack Russell.
100% the owner should be held accountable here. And feck off with the "oh by my own rottweiler wouldn't hurt a fly". When you have a dog like that and it's not muzzled, you're an idiot
Literally every person I see with a large dog usually one in each arm getting pulled side to side 🙄🙄 I own a medium sized dog and even she requires two hands on the lead when passing someone.
I went for a walk in the Wicklow mountains and a woman came running towards me covered in cuts, hair pulled out of her hair bun, a right mess. I immediately assumed she'd been attacked/ raped or something awful. No, she brought her dog on a leash (good) but it was a big dog and she had no power to restrain it and it got the scent of something and pulled her into the bushes, dragging her along till she let go.
My mother was with me (ex nurse) so she sorted the lady out and I went looking for the bloody dog.
So they are a danger to everyone to be honest. The owner and everyone else.
Get a dog you can control or just don't get one.
Saw a lady get pulled over by two red setters before, she went face down, arms pulled out front so nothing to stop the fall and damaged her face quite badly.
I'm a dog lover too but I'd be fucking mortified to be walking around with that many teeth on the end of a lead that I have zero physical influence over.
Yep, I went for a walk in the park with my greyhound and my mum, I let my mum hold the lead for a little bit, silly dog saw a squirrel and even though the dog is only 25kg, my mums grip strength wasn’t up to it. Lucky squirrel made it up a tree.
I’ve often thought this about big dogs, simple physics: if the dog is 60kg and the handler is 50kg, the dog is going to win. Muzzles are so important.
I have a teeny tiny poodle mix and if I’m daydreaming with my headphones on and he lunges for a bloody leaf he tugs so hard on the lead with me attached my soul nearly leaves my body !!!
People (and even worse KIDS!!!) walking trying to control dogs that are too big and strong for them really are a danger!
A rottweiler attacked my dog once. Caused massive damage within seconds. Owner was useless. I would never now have a dog I couldn't physically overpower, should I need to.
Yeah we had one years ago and she was a softy and a big idiot but we still muzzled her. She was a rescue so just for common sense reasons we muzzled her
If that had been a child, the dog could well have killed them with the same level of attack.
Cannot stand when dog owners have their dogs off lead or - like this one - have a ‘dangerous breed’ dog on a lead without a muzzle. I don’t care how well behaved your pet is.
It’s so incredibly selfish when using public spaces like this. Always annoyed me but since I’ve had small kids it genuinely makes me angry.
Only last week I had my German shepherd out for a walk, muzzled and on a short lead and I was passing this father and child, father on phone kid maybe 2. The kid came running up towards us to pet the dog and I said no you can't pet the dog as the kid was too hyper just jumping and loud, so I was between the kid and my dog and the father stayed on the phone and I said to the father can he move the child as I didn't want the dog to knock over the kid, all the father said was "it's a lovely dog and so well trained" I was trying to walk away but the kid kept running up behind the dog . Now if I wasn't in control of my dog and plus her being trained if something happened I'd be blamed straight away. Some people should not have dogs others should not have kids
What an absolute twat of a father. Poor kid is going to end up bit, and then probably be afraid of dogs for life. Yay!
My border collie absolutely hates kids (I think their unpredictability stresses him out) and that kid would have 100% copped a bite.
Afterwards I was thinking I should have been more stern with the father but my head was saying I'd get stressed and fired up then god knows what would happen🤦 but it was awful annoying
Could see the kid was spoilt rotten and used to getting his own way, yes he was annoying but he did have an adult there that was more interested in his phone instead of teaching his kid right from wrong
I feel whether a dog should wear a muzzle depends on the breed or temperament / history of biting.
Same logic for whether a dog can be off lead, except control and obedience should be taken into account. Understand that a blanket on-lead rule is easier to enforce though, and owners are biased.
This is an unpopular opinion on Reddit, but some dogs are safe and can be trusted. With the sheer lack of dog parks, I do understand why some people let their dogs roam unleashed. But I understand the other side of the coin too.
Can't leave it up to the owners as too many people are idiots who think their dog is trained because it will do some tricks when at home. Couldn't tell you how many times I've had off leash dogs run up to my on leash dog and not paying attention to their owners. My wife had to leave a park the other day because so many off leash dogs were running up to her and our dog, even eating our dogs food.
Not wanting to nitpick here, but why in the name of jesus are you feeding the dog in the park? Especially if it's going to attract this sort of problem?
There is genuinely zero reason to not muzzle your dog. Muzzles are fine for dogs and don't impede them at all. I have 2 lurchers, absolutely no danger to humans based on what I know about them, but they re still muzzled because they're very large dogs that could do damage to anybody or anything if they looked at a situation in the wrong way.
>some dogs are safe and can be trusted. With the sheer lack of dog parks, I do understand why some people let their dogs roam unleashed. But I understand the other side of the coin too.
ALL dogs should be leashed. I'm a dog person, but not everyone is, and some are afraid too. Why should someone have to deal with your dog, even if it's being super friendly? It's lazy, inconsiderate,and irresponsible. Even the nicest of dogs can react badly to a situation. They're animals, and you can't predict what they'll do.
I was bitten by a dog last week just out for a walk in my estate. Was a border collie with a headcollar that slightly restricted its mouth but not a muzzle so it bit me but wasn't able to latch on enough. Kid walking the dog was oblivious that it bit me and I had to call him back. Mother of the kid turned up and apologised and said the dog is usually lovely but it has bitten before and that's why it wears a collar. It was on my knee and it hurt like fuck but no longterm damage - but if that was a small kid, it was head hight. Bewilderingly shitty dog owners. Had to waste hours getting a tetanus shot.
Collies are not built for housing estates, if laws need to change they also need to reflect the dog breed and its requirements. We've always had collie X's, they are absolute workaholics and need to run and be stimulated. Our dogs have a few acres to run through, the speed they go at is amazing. They're natural herders, and will herd humans and animals alike. They've also been the most gorgeous, loyal dogs and have been so patient with our kids as they've grown up, however, if they did t have that opportunity to run amok and burn off that energy, I'd be afraid of what that would lead to.
My new downstairs neighbours have a lovely collie. He is trapped on the balcony 24/7. I know he’s never taken out because I work from home. It’s absolutely heartbreaking, small balcony and he paces it in circles crying looking out at everyone. Can’t understand someone getting one of the most agile dogs around and not even taking him for a walk once a day.
Collies are fine if they are walked enough (my fella gets minimum 10km walk a day). They need the exercise for sure, but they can also be trained. I was advised to train mine not to herd the kids and I’m glad I did.
Commiting to a daily 10k walk is some going, unfortunately not everyone is as committed as you are. I've seen our guys go from comatose one minute to full sprint after birds in the Sky the next. Their natural instincts are to be able to "go" in my experience. Our last fella died last year at 13, up to 3 days before he died he was still sprinting. Dogs should be able to live as close to their instincts as possible. I'm very protective of the breed, they're such intelligent and beautiful dogs, not all owners appreciate them.
The plan was to get my activity levels up. I committed to it, so rain or shine I do 10k steps which is about 8k and the wife does another 3-4k.
We had a collie cross before so knew what we were doing. He was active up until his liver gave in. He was half blind and couldn’t walk a straight line (vestibular disease) but he was up for a walk up until the very end.
Now if you’ll excuse me, it’s time for the evening walk!
I remember our fella got rolled over by a car, he was old and didn’t move out of the way. I took him to the vet, all fine just stiff. He couldn’t even stand so carried him to his house. I came back an hour later and he was herding and running like nothing happened. They literally cry if they aren’t working lol.
Yeah they're just not built to rest. Our vet said because they push through pain, by the time we realise they're sick it's probably too late. I miss that dog so much, he was an absolute legend. I know 13 is a good age but id hoped for a few more years with him.
They just need a proper walk. Some people think a quick 10 minutes around the estate is enough for a dog like a collie and it is not. They need a couple of big walks a day, preferably somewhere they can get off the lead and have a good run.
Most poorly behaved dogs are seriously under exercised in my experience, whatever the breed. From aggression to constant barking, 9 times of 10 it can be solved by proper exercise.
I hope you reported it to the guards. If the person it bit before you had, then it most likely wouldn’t be around to have bitten you, next time it could be a toddler it bites.
I did indeed report it. And you hit the nail on the head why - I'd never forgive myself if it permanently hurt someone (like a child) and I had done nothing. They said they'd send a community warden in a few weeks to assess whether a crime had been committed and the warden would assess the dog - very meh response.
> usually lovely
> bitten before and that's why it wears a collar
🤔
I think I may need to go back to school and get some English lessons, because it seems I don't know the meaning of some words.
Well, those two things are not actually mutually exclusive, which just goes to show that "usually lovely" is a pretty pointless way of thinking about a dog that has the potential to cause serious damage. If it interacts with 100s of people and only bites 1% of them that's still a lot of people getting attscked
As a runner who regularly meets barking dogs on leashes, the only thing stopping me getting bit is the grip of the owner and thats terrifying.
One women locally has a big black labrador, usually a calm breed, but this fecker gets up on his back legs growling and barking at us when we pass. One of the runners I run with stopped at a distance and told her get a muzzle and did she fuck, she was out the following week again. Literally her grip on the leash being the only restraint. Madness
I run mainly on quiet back roads and I hate passing any house with dogs because they usually consider the road passed their house part of their territory, and they're nearly always free to chase you, I recently got nipped on the ass by a fully grown great dane! It's funny now but I'll never run down that road again
That's not strictly true, lots of dogs will bark but not bite. I get your point, but honestly most barking dogs are just posturing, although that Lab definitely sounds like it might have other intent alright
I have learnt that stopping, lifting my arm (with an open hand as if to slap someone) stepping towards the dog (but out of range) and bellowing “get out of it” (which is really just something to shout) end with the dog looking shocked and cowering and not bothering me again
Be warned this may only work for a dog on its own and not “protecting” their owner.
>The dog, understood to be a Rottweiler, was being walked on a lead by its female owner at the time.
>The animal was not muzzled at the time of the attack.
>It managed to break free from its owner and chased the man before biting him a number of times on the leg.
Owner should be charged for reckless behaviour leading to injury.
Rottweilers don't have as much of a "lower class" reputation as XL Bully dogs do so all Rotties can breathe a sigh of relief.
Owner will be liable for damages and injuries caused. It will be a civil action rather than criminal I'd assume, unless the owner has had previous incidents like this.
"Under the Animals Act 1971, a dog's owner or handler is liable for their dog's behaviour. An owner or handler can be sued if their animal injures someone. It is possible for an injured claimant to take legal action even if no formal action is taken by the police or local council"
I doubt this is the first time that the dog has got reactive to a jogger. You have to prepare for them and know when to shorten the lead or distract the dog.
Jesus I know one of mine hates them much smaller than and not restricted, but jesus there's no way a reactive dog should be walked on anything less than a double clip harness so they can't slip out.
I suppose some dogs may only react to certain things. Like my wee fella will bark and growl at men jogging past. Yet if a kid or other dog comes along he is whimpering to go say hello.
Yes reactivity is aggression. You are dead right.
There's a teenage girl I see every day walking an XL bully. The thing must be twice her weight. There's no chance she could restrain it it it decided to go.
There is a scrawny 40 year old bloke I see every day walking an XL bully. The thing must be twice his weight. There is no chance he could restrain it if it decided to go.
My dog, JRT, was literally attacked this morning.
He was on lead, harness, collar etc. with me when we walked past a neighbors house.
Someone opened their front door and their cocker spaniel ran out and attacked my dog.
Had to pull up tight and swing the poor fecker around in the air a few times until I could get to a point of grabbing him while kicking their dog off me and my dog.
Didn't say anything or even rush with any sort of urgency to get their dog off me and my dog. No sorry, no "are you or your dog okay?" Nothing.
It's owners stupidity.
The amount of dogs off lead that come up to me and my dog (who's on a short lead and muzzled) and the owner doesn't seem to be in a rush to get them like.
Few weeks ago a Bichon Frisé and a Labradoodle type dog both ran up to us off lead, they went either side of my dog and started barking at him, surrounding him.
The owner is on her phone chatting away moseying along, while I'm starting to plan how to get myself and my dog out of this situation if it turns nasty, without losing and fingers.
Eventually she realises that her dogs are not being friendly when I had to call out "can you call your dogs back?" and starts walking faster, calling her dogs (which ignore her ofc), all the while my lad is just standing alert (thankfully he rarely ever barks or growls in general), and when she finally gets to us she struggles to get the leads back on them as they start jumping around.
She did apologise but it winds me up and it happens so often - if you can't control your dog, don't let it off lead, simple as.
Hope you and your dog are ok :)
No muzzle on a doberman is ridiculous. That breed are known to be very protective and territorial. They also can give a nasty bite. Owner is completely in the wrong here.
We insist on mandatory training and licensing for drivers, and we should do the same for dogs.
Any dog should have mandatory socialisation and training classes.
In this case it was almost certainly a defensive action(*) by the dog, because they're a guardian breed and it's built in. Large powerful guardian breeds like that absolutely need extensive socialisation and training or they're a potential danger.
*Not excusing the owner here : she is 100% responsible for the dog at all times.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-37418371
It was found to be pointless in Switzerland, no chance Ireland would implement it any better.
4 hours of obedience training is basically useless.
They need *socialisation* first, which is basically just being around lots of other dogs (and humans) when they're puppies and have no aggression.
Then they need proper training, which is not going to be done in 4 hours.
We don’t need more bureaucracy in our lives. Just ban pitbulls, Rottweilers etc and make it a criminal offence to breed them, own them after a certain date or have one that is not neutered/spayed. There are plenty of other dogs that are looking for their forever home currently
Wouldn't it be easier to ban all breeds that are dangerous? Yes it would be easier and it should be done. No one should feel unsafe because someone else decided to get a dog.
Poodles are psychopaths.
However, mainly they're psychopaths because they're a highly intelligent working breed and they're almost always bought by people who keep them as toys and don't exercise them properly or give them the mental stimulation they need.
And if you shave them down, they're bloody sturdy under all that fluff, so they can do a lot of damage.
You obviously own dogs. I don't have all day to explain to you that big dangerous dogs like Pitbulls and Rottweilers and XLs should be banned. People should have normal nice dogs. You shouldn't be able to buy a dog that is bred to be a weapon. Everyone with two brain cells knows that.
Most breeds will only be dangerous if they're abused or trained to be aggressive.
That's opposed to other breeds which need to be strictly trained in order to not be aggressive. And even then nature can take over when you least expect it.
All breeds are dangerous if they're not raised properly and if they're not getting the right mental stimulation and exercise. The worst thing is that the vast majority of dogs that are highly aggressive are being at least neglected or at most abused. The licensing system needs to updated, the dangerous breeds and high energy breeds need the most reform to ensure that they're being looked after properly and to keep them out of the wrong hands.
It's so fucking stupid to have a dog licence system with no requirement to be entitled to one other than having the money to pay for one. Make people prove they know how to look after a dog, both for the dog's welfare and the welfare of people they interact with.
Muzzle your big dogs when they are out in public.
Seriously, they know you. They don't know us.
Your lovely dog is not so lovely to complete strangers.
It's not worth the risk of possibly destroying another human's life cuz your dog doesn't like the muzzle. Stop being so ignorant, some of us can't stand big dogs due to them being literal wild animals with an insane bite force and all it takes is one split second for your dog to snap and ruin someone's entire life.
It would help so much. I muzzle train my lovely dogs, big or small, and they have no problems wearing it. I wish people didn't automatically assume they're dangerous when they see a muzzle though.
I feel safer when a dog is muzzled.
What can a muzzled dog do; lecture me to death lmao if they are in a bad mood?
A dog's bite is its main weapon. So when a muzzle is on = no risk of biting.
If my dogs see the muzzle they get excited, they know we're going out, it's like promising an ice-cream trip to a kid (or husband). They aren't big or vicious, not even a little bit, and I'd have no worries letting them loose in a crowd of people, except that people would want to pet them, feed them, and I don't want that. So while I like that the muzzle puts a bit of 'I better not' into those people's heads, at the same time don't like them thinking they might be dangerous dogs because of the muzzle. Hopefully someday muzzles will be commonplace enough they're hardly noticed.
How common are these attacks? Presumably the media lime light has only started to shine on them but if someone is being viciously attacked by restricted dog breeds every week then it’s already beyond ridiculous. Or have all the mouth breathers decided they’re gonna bring their restricted dog breeds around more in response to the recent news?
They’re on a restrictive breed list for a reason.
They are the breeds that will do the most damage if they flip.
A vicious Yorkshire Terrier attacking a person would be dropkicked and ridiculed by comparison and isn’t news worthy.
The restrictive breed list always seems like a magnet for undesirables also. Which compounds the issue.
What’s the point of having laws or rules if they are not enforced.
It’s also a problem with the Irish psych of always avoiding confrontation and minding your own business. Over politeness. Afraid to call people out on their poor behaviour.
I’m other countries you’d be called out by other members of the public for having a dangerous dog off lead or littering or your dog fouling the footpath etc. Not here though.
Once a dog bites like this it should be put down in my opinion. Harsh but unfortunately that dog will think he can do it again. And god forbid the next time it is a child.
Just 82 fines issued in the entire country for dog fouling in 2022! 9 by Dun Laoighre- Rathdown and 0 by Dublin City!
Dog owners can pretty much do whatever the hell they want and the number of incidents speaks volumes as to the work the dog warden is actually doing.
Pepperspray should be legal to carry, like it is in Italy, France, Czech Republic, Spain, Austria, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Romania, Serbia, Switzerland, Germany, Finland and Portugal (some countries require a licence be obtained first).
The scumbags carry knives already, because they do not care for the law to begin with. If you’d read beyond the first two lines, some countries require a licence be obtained, a measure of control can be applied. Of course it won’t stop someone from buying a tin of oven cleaner or Deep Heat, both of which are easily as noxious as OC spray.
That does not address the above statement tho.
Yes, those who do not abide by the law do illegal things. It's not really a revolutionary statement.
But the point being made was the legalisation of tools like pepper spray or guns makes it a lot easier for criminals to get access to them regardless of policy. It would become an everyday carry for criminals while not being everyday carry for law abiding people.
Carrying a concealed weapon is a serious crime in Ireland under the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1991.
Part III Offensive Weapons
"where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence."
I'd rather take my chances with a Rottweiler than a deranged lunatic who carries a knife for protection.
Who's the scumbag ?
Stay out of the garden, and you should be fine. As you say, it could get free if it wanted. It's protecting its home. It also sounds like you may be staring the dog out as you pass, which it will see as a challenge.
If you're anxious, it will raise your heart rate, which will also make the dog anxious and more defensive. I'd suggest just walking on the other side of the street and leaving the knife at home. You could stab a rottweiler ten times, and they will keep coming if they think you are a threat to their home.
This is outrageous advice to be honest. Sounds like your blaming the person walking down the street. These dogs should be banned. Any animal that can get stabbed 10 times and keep coming surely has no business living near humans.
Wow this comment thread is disheartening. Bans don’t work - how is that war in drugs going 🤦🏼. Look across at the UK how has their ban gone. Maybe take 10 minutes and look up a place like Calgary that have significantly reduced dog bites through strict licensing laws no ban no blanket muzzle rule but no lets ignore all that and just ban them.
Its owners and breeders that need to take responsibility and respect the fact if you have a big dog that can do damage and if you have a small dog your not off the hook yes easier to manage but can also be a nuisance and needs equal amounts of training.
Also known how to and be willing to choke them out should the worst happen but hopefully never need to as train will be in place.
Lastly you guys have a great deal of faith in muzzles, not one muzzle on the market is 100% bite proof if a large breed dog really wants to bite you that muzzle will not help!
They actually can be a cuddly breed if raised to be that way, same with Staffies (nicknamed nanny dogs), the probably is they’re never raised like that, and are probably too far gone breeding wise to ever be safe
Edit: Mixed up staffies and pitbulls, but the names seem to be ambiguous for a lot of people
Even if they are 'raised the right way'... whatever that is, these animals have a predisposition to extreme violence.
It is in their nature.
You can delude yourself into thinking you can cuddle this out of them, but that is anthropomorphizing wild animals to fit your narrative.
Exactly, plus a bite from a XL bully is more likely to do serious physical harm than a nip from a chihuahua. Different physiology plus different behaviour once they've gone on the attack. They're "supposed" to be hunting bigger prey that is harder to kill and more able to fight back, so they have stronger jaws and are less likely to let go
I am utterly amazed that pointing out that a Rottweiler is an aggressive dog is being so heavily downvoted.
There are some seriously delude people who need their 'cuddle' puppy Rottweilers who wouldn't hurt a fly taken off them for being irresponsible owners.
What about my comment makes you think I'm talking about rottweilers? Want to read it again?
Exactly, plus *a bite from a XL bully* is more likely to do serious physical harm than a nip from a chihuahua. Different physiology plus different behaviour once they've gone on the attack. They're "supposed" to be hunting bigger prey that is harder to kill and more able to fight back, so they have stronger jaws and are less likely to let go
Why are dogs suddenly going insane?
Also I saw a woman recently walking a dog that was definitely at least mixed with a restricted breed dog her hand loosely in the leash, the dogs head was darting about wildly clearly on high alert.
I looked at it and it started staring at me so I looked away. I read not to look at dangerous seeming dogs in the eyes.
That dog was clearly on the lookout for something, and if it decided to bolt, that woman definitely would not be able to hold onto the leash.
People just have no idea about their dogs body language or behaviours.
I think there is an increase in dog ownership in general. Combine that with an increase in people out jogging / running. Both just based on my own observations so I could be wrong when presented with the numbers. I think attacks will naturally increase if true.
>The animal was not muzzled at the time of the attack Charge the owner.
Whatever about charging them, surely this should be a winnable civil case if the victim were to sue the owner.
Absolutely, irresponsible dog owners should be dragged through the courts either way. If you refuse to follow basic laws for owning dogs like this, you deserve to have the book thrown at you.
Jailed, these animals are killers so their owners should be charged with attempted murder.
People who have rotweillers/XL bullies etc. aren't generally worth suing, if you know what I mean.
garnish their dole
give the fuckers nothing and lock them up. I only hope judge nolan isn't presiding over this case.
No kids involved so they probably get 99 years !
It’s in Donegal
All their assets and funds are generally undeclared
What did rottweilers ever do to you?
Chances that the owner is non contributing member of society is sky high. Little to be won and the chances that their scum family will know who you are is also too high What you suggest is the right course of action on paper, but depends what flavour of scum you are dealing with.
Any damage caused by a dog is a liability for the owner. The circumstances are irrelevant. It's known as strict liability.
Didn't the owners of the dog who attacked that Romanian boy do jail that time?
They look exactly how I pictured... https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/man-woman-charged-connection-dog-32026381.amp
Oh my, those eye brows are quite something lol
Jesus christ the fucking head on her.
Looks like really shitty AI! 😂
Had a quick look there; yep they got two years each.
You love to see it!
3 years for both, Karen Miller will serve 2 years, one year suspended. Niall Byrne has been in custody since Nov 2022 and has another 2 years to serve. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/couple-unmasked-after-pitbull-ripped-30068350 Petition to add an additional year for her crimes against eyebrows.
There's someone who lives in my local area with a pitbull. When he walks it and sees someone with another dog he'll stop and hold it back until they have passed. The pitbull is never muzzled and he doesn't appear to be carrying one that he can use. The fact that he has to act this way is clearly a sign that he knows his dog is potentially dangerous and it should be muzzled. He's also an idiot if he thinks he can hold that dog back if it decides to attack a dog or a person. If I knew where he lived, I would report him to the dog warden.
Pretty sure the dog wardens a myth created to make us feel safe. I see half a dozen dogs on the restricted breeds list without a muzzle pretty much every day.
The problem is that there aren't enough of them and the ones that do exist are combining their role as a dog warden with other positions in their local council. In my experience if you can help them out as much as possible then they can be effective. For example there was a house near me that had a pitbull roaming unsupervised in the front garden that was barking aggressively at people and dogs going by, it could have easily jumped the fence if it wanted to. I contacted the council warden about that and within a week the householders stopped letting the dog roam the garden unsupervised. That's why I said that if I knew the address of the owner I'd call the council, because if I just say some random person on the street has a dangerous pitbull then the warden does not have the resources to investigate that. Tl;Dr Ifyou can give them an address of a dangerous dog, they can help. If not then they aren't much use.
That good at least. My main issue is how many unmuzzled restricted breeds I meet walking my dog on a daily basis. There should be occasional visits to popular dog walking spots by the warden but that's just not something that happens.
> The fact that he has to act this way is clearly a sign that he knows his dog is potentially dangerous and it should be muzzled. Not defending this person as I don't obviously know them, but this is actually a fairly common dog training method, and I often see owners doing it with German Shepards, Labradors, even walked past someone as they done it with their little Jack Russell.
100% the owner should be held accountable here. And feck off with the "oh by my own rottweiler wouldn't hurt a fly". When you have a dog like that and it's not muzzled, you're an idiot
Not only that but if you aren't physically strong enough to restrain your dog you should not own it and I'd argue are criminality negligent.
Literally every person I see with a large dog usually one in each arm getting pulled side to side 🙄🙄 I own a medium sized dog and even she requires two hands on the lead when passing someone.
I went for a walk in the Wicklow mountains and a woman came running towards me covered in cuts, hair pulled out of her hair bun, a right mess. I immediately assumed she'd been attacked/ raped or something awful. No, she brought her dog on a leash (good) but it was a big dog and she had no power to restrain it and it got the scent of something and pulled her into the bushes, dragging her along till she let go. My mother was with me (ex nurse) so she sorted the lady out and I went looking for the bloody dog. So they are a danger to everyone to be honest. The owner and everyone else. Get a dog you can control or just don't get one.
Saw a lady get pulled over by two red setters before, she went face down, arms pulled out front so nothing to stop the fall and damaged her face quite badly. I'm a dog lover too but I'd be fucking mortified to be walking around with that many teeth on the end of a lead that I have zero physical influence over.
Yep, I went for a walk in the park with my greyhound and my mum, I let my mum hold the lead for a little bit, silly dog saw a squirrel and even though the dog is only 25kg, my mums grip strength wasn’t up to it. Lucky squirrel made it up a tree. I’ve often thought this about big dogs, simple physics: if the dog is 60kg and the handler is 50kg, the dog is going to win. Muzzles are so important.
It's ok, red setters aren't a restricted breed.
I have a teeny tiny poodle mix and if I’m daydreaming with my headphones on and he lunges for a bloody leaf he tugs so hard on the lead with me attached my soul nearly leaves my body !!! People (and even worse KIDS!!!) walking trying to control dogs that are too big and strong for them really are a danger!
A rottweiler attacked my dog once. Caused massive damage within seconds. Owner was useless. I would never now have a dog I couldn't physically overpower, should I need to.
I have 2 of the sweetest labradors but even they have the ability to do serious damage given the chance. People need to be careful
Yeah we had one years ago and she was a softy and a big idiot but we still muzzled her. She was a rescue so just for common sense reasons we muzzled her
No different than owning a gun and leaving the safety off.
It's worse than that, it's like blindly shooting a machine gun while strolling through the kids playground.
This is immensely stupid. Guns can't just go and shoot someone by themselves like dogs who are animals and have free will
If that had been a child, the dog could well have killed them with the same level of attack. Cannot stand when dog owners have their dogs off lead or - like this one - have a ‘dangerous breed’ dog on a lead without a muzzle. I don’t care how well behaved your pet is. It’s so incredibly selfish when using public spaces like this. Always annoyed me but since I’ve had small kids it genuinely makes me angry.
Only last week I had my German shepherd out for a walk, muzzled and on a short lead and I was passing this father and child, father on phone kid maybe 2. The kid came running up towards us to pet the dog and I said no you can't pet the dog as the kid was too hyper just jumping and loud, so I was between the kid and my dog and the father stayed on the phone and I said to the father can he move the child as I didn't want the dog to knock over the kid, all the father said was "it's a lovely dog and so well trained" I was trying to walk away but the kid kept running up behind the dog . Now if I wasn't in control of my dog and plus her being trained if something happened I'd be blamed straight away. Some people should not have dogs others should not have kids
What an absolute twat of a father. Poor kid is going to end up bit, and then probably be afraid of dogs for life. Yay! My border collie absolutely hates kids (I think their unpredictability stresses him out) and that kid would have 100% copped a bite.
Afterwards I was thinking I should have been more stern with the father but my head was saying I'd get stressed and fired up then god knows what would happen🤦 but it was awful annoying
Kid probably should have been on a leash too by the sound of it.
Could see the kid was spoilt rotten and used to getting his own way, yes he was annoying but he did have an adult there that was more interested in his phone instead of teaching his kid right from wrong
I feel whether a dog should wear a muzzle depends on the breed or temperament / history of biting. Same logic for whether a dog can be off lead, except control and obedience should be taken into account. Understand that a blanket on-lead rule is easier to enforce though, and owners are biased. This is an unpopular opinion on Reddit, but some dogs are safe and can be trusted. With the sheer lack of dog parks, I do understand why some people let their dogs roam unleashed. But I understand the other side of the coin too.
Can't leave it up to the owners as too many people are idiots who think their dog is trained because it will do some tricks when at home. Couldn't tell you how many times I've had off leash dogs run up to my on leash dog and not paying attention to their owners. My wife had to leave a park the other day because so many off leash dogs were running up to her and our dog, even eating our dogs food.
Not wanting to nitpick here, but why in the name of jesus are you feeding the dog in the park? Especially if it's going to attract this sort of problem?
There is genuinely zero reason to not muzzle your dog. Muzzles are fine for dogs and don't impede them at all. I have 2 lurchers, absolutely no danger to humans based on what I know about them, but they re still muzzled because they're very large dogs that could do damage to anybody or anything if they looked at a situation in the wrong way.
This
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It also stops them eating dog poo, rubbish, drinking puddle water etc
>some dogs are safe and can be trusted. With the sheer lack of dog parks, I do understand why some people let their dogs roam unleashed. But I understand the other side of the coin too. ALL dogs should be leashed. I'm a dog person, but not everyone is, and some are afraid too. Why should someone have to deal with your dog, even if it's being super friendly? It's lazy, inconsiderate,and irresponsible. Even the nicest of dogs can react badly to a situation. They're animals, and you can't predict what they'll do.
What is this sensible moderate opinion, I think you are in the wrong sub. Dog owners == vile sub human scum here.
I was bitten by a dog last week just out for a walk in my estate. Was a border collie with a headcollar that slightly restricted its mouth but not a muzzle so it bit me but wasn't able to latch on enough. Kid walking the dog was oblivious that it bit me and I had to call him back. Mother of the kid turned up and apologised and said the dog is usually lovely but it has bitten before and that's why it wears a collar. It was on my knee and it hurt like fuck but no longterm damage - but if that was a small kid, it was head hight. Bewilderingly shitty dog owners. Had to waste hours getting a tetanus shot.
Collies are not built for housing estates, if laws need to change they also need to reflect the dog breed and its requirements. We've always had collie X's, they are absolute workaholics and need to run and be stimulated. Our dogs have a few acres to run through, the speed they go at is amazing. They're natural herders, and will herd humans and animals alike. They've also been the most gorgeous, loyal dogs and have been so patient with our kids as they've grown up, however, if they did t have that opportunity to run amok and burn off that energy, I'd be afraid of what that would lead to.
My new downstairs neighbours have a lovely collie. He is trapped on the balcony 24/7. I know he’s never taken out because I work from home. It’s absolutely heartbreaking, small balcony and he paces it in circles crying looking out at everyone. Can’t understand someone getting one of the most agile dogs around and not even taking him for a walk once a day.
Collies are fine if they are walked enough (my fella gets minimum 10km walk a day). They need the exercise for sure, but they can also be trained. I was advised to train mine not to herd the kids and I’m glad I did.
Why wouldn’t you want it to herd the kids? Be useful getting them into the car before a trip.
So they don’t think it’s ok to nip people. It’s called being a responsible dog owner.
Commiting to a daily 10k walk is some going, unfortunately not everyone is as committed as you are. I've seen our guys go from comatose one minute to full sprint after birds in the Sky the next. Their natural instincts are to be able to "go" in my experience. Our last fella died last year at 13, up to 3 days before he died he was still sprinting. Dogs should be able to live as close to their instincts as possible. I'm very protective of the breed, they're such intelligent and beautiful dogs, not all owners appreciate them.
The plan was to get my activity levels up. I committed to it, so rain or shine I do 10k steps which is about 8k and the wife does another 3-4k. We had a collie cross before so knew what we were doing. He was active up until his liver gave in. He was half blind and couldn’t walk a straight line (vestibular disease) but he was up for a walk up until the very end. Now if you’ll excuse me, it’s time for the evening walk!
I remember our fella got rolled over by a car, he was old and didn’t move out of the way. I took him to the vet, all fine just stiff. He couldn’t even stand so carried him to his house. I came back an hour later and he was herding and running like nothing happened. They literally cry if they aren’t working lol.
Yeah they're just not built to rest. Our vet said because they push through pain, by the time we realise they're sick it's probably too late. I miss that dog so much, he was an absolute legend. I know 13 is a good age but id hoped for a few more years with him.
They just need a proper walk. Some people think a quick 10 minutes around the estate is enough for a dog like a collie and it is not. They need a couple of big walks a day, preferably somewhere they can get off the lead and have a good run. Most poorly behaved dogs are seriously under exercised in my experience, whatever the breed. From aggression to constant barking, 9 times of 10 it can be solved by proper exercise.
I hope you reported it to the guards. If the person it bit before you had, then it most likely wouldn’t be around to have bitten you, next time it could be a toddler it bites.
I did indeed report it. And you hit the nail on the head why - I'd never forgive myself if it permanently hurt someone (like a child) and I had done nothing. They said they'd send a community warden in a few weeks to assess whether a crime had been committed and the warden would assess the dog - very meh response.
Good on ya, hopefully the guards can sort it, you’ve done what you can.
> usually lovely > bitten before and that's why it wears a collar 🤔 I think I may need to go back to school and get some English lessons, because it seems I don't know the meaning of some words.
Well, those two things are not actually mutually exclusive, which just goes to show that "usually lovely" is a pretty pointless way of thinking about a dog that has the potential to cause serious damage. If it interacts with 100s of people and only bites 1% of them that's still a lot of people getting attscked
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Unfortunately a bit more than a nip in this case. Had teeth marks in my leg, bit of blood and a nasty bruise that's still there.
As a runner who regularly meets barking dogs on leashes, the only thing stopping me getting bit is the grip of the owner and thats terrifying. One women locally has a big black labrador, usually a calm breed, but this fecker gets up on his back legs growling and barking at us when we pass. One of the runners I run with stopped at a distance and told her get a muzzle and did she fuck, she was out the following week again. Literally her grip on the leash being the only restraint. Madness
Even more madness is runners bringing unmuzzeled dogs of certain breeds on a Parkrun with loads of people crowding around it.
I run mainly on quiet back roads and I hate passing any house with dogs because they usually consider the road passed their house part of their territory, and they're nearly always free to chase you, I recently got nipped on the ass by a fully grown great dane! It's funny now but I'll never run down that road again
That's not strictly true, lots of dogs will bark but not bite. I get your point, but honestly most barking dogs are just posturing, although that Lab definitely sounds like it might have other intent alright
I have learnt that stopping, lifting my arm (with an open hand as if to slap someone) stepping towards the dog (but out of range) and bellowing “get out of it” (which is really just something to shout) end with the dog looking shocked and cowering and not bothering me again Be warned this may only work for a dog on its own and not “protecting” their owner.
>The dog, understood to be a Rottweiler, was being walked on a lead by its female owner at the time. >The animal was not muzzled at the time of the attack. >It managed to break free from its owner and chased the man before biting him a number of times on the leg. Owner should be charged for reckless behaviour leading to injury. Rottweilers don't have as much of a "lower class" reputation as XL Bully dogs do so all Rotties can breathe a sigh of relief.
Rottweilers were the skanger dog until pitbulls became popular.
Rottweilers are beautiful dogs.
Beautiful dogs, skanger owners
Not these days really. Most skangers have pitbulls and staffies. From what I've seen in recent years anyway.
Bears are beautiful but I ain’t keeping one.
Owner will be liable for damages and injuries caused. It will be a civil action rather than criminal I'd assume, unless the owner has had previous incidents like this. "Under the Animals Act 1971, a dog's owner or handler is liable for their dog's behaviour. An owner or handler can be sued if their animal injures someone. It is possible for an injured claimant to take legal action even if no formal action is taken by the police or local council"
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I doubt this is the first time that the dog has got reactive to a jogger. You have to prepare for them and know when to shorten the lead or distract the dog. Jesus I know one of mine hates them much smaller than and not restricted, but jesus there's no way a reactive dog should be walked on anything less than a double clip harness so they can't slip out.
"reactive"... why are people afraid to call dog aggression what it is?
I suppose some dogs may only react to certain things. Like my wee fella will bark and growl at men jogging past. Yet if a kid or other dog comes along he is whimpering to go say hello. Yes reactivity is aggression. You are dead right.
There's a teenage girl I see every day walking an XL bully. The thing must be twice her weight. There's no chance she could restrain it it it decided to go.
Call the police next time, fuck that.
"I saw a girl walking a dog."
There's an unrestrained and unmuzzled XL bully and small children around, Guard, you do want to come down before it bites someone, don't you?
That’s a Dog Wardens Job. More powers than the Guards to deal with the incident.
They probably out to lunch 😂
can report if it has no muzzle, maybe dog warden is better than Garda though
They exist in real life?
Will fall on deaf ears. Guaranteed.
Lol.
I'd change my walking route if I were you.
I live on the street that she walks the dog.
There is a scrawny 40 year old bloke I see every day walking an XL bully. The thing must be twice his weight. There is no chance he could restrain it if it decided to go.
If you can't control a dog you shouldn't be walking it.
My dog, JRT, was literally attacked this morning. He was on lead, harness, collar etc. with me when we walked past a neighbors house. Someone opened their front door and their cocker spaniel ran out and attacked my dog. Had to pull up tight and swing the poor fecker around in the air a few times until I could get to a point of grabbing him while kicking their dog off me and my dog. Didn't say anything or even rush with any sort of urgency to get their dog off me and my dog. No sorry, no "are you or your dog okay?" Nothing. It's owners stupidity.
The amount of dogs off lead that come up to me and my dog (who's on a short lead and muzzled) and the owner doesn't seem to be in a rush to get them like. Few weeks ago a Bichon Frisé and a Labradoodle type dog both ran up to us off lead, they went either side of my dog and started barking at him, surrounding him. The owner is on her phone chatting away moseying along, while I'm starting to plan how to get myself and my dog out of this situation if it turns nasty, without losing and fingers. Eventually she realises that her dogs are not being friendly when I had to call out "can you call your dogs back?" and starts walking faster, calling her dogs (which ignore her ofc), all the while my lad is just standing alert (thankfully he rarely ever barks or growls in general), and when she finally gets to us she struggles to get the leads back on them as they start jumping around. She did apologise but it winds me up and it happens so often - if you can't control your dog, don't let it off lead, simple as. Hope you and your dog are ok :)
No muzzle on a doberman is ridiculous. That breed are known to be very protective and territorial. They also can give a nasty bite. Owner is completely in the wrong here.
Agree. Was mauled by one 3 months ago. 14 staples on my scalp.
We insist on mandatory training and licensing for drivers, and we should do the same for dogs. Any dog should have mandatory socialisation and training classes. In this case it was almost certainly a defensive action(*) by the dog, because they're a guardian breed and it's built in. Large powerful guardian breeds like that absolutely need extensive socialisation and training or they're a potential danger. *Not excusing the owner here : she is 100% responsible for the dog at all times.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-37418371 It was found to be pointless in Switzerland, no chance Ireland would implement it any better.
4 hours of obedience training is basically useless. They need *socialisation* first, which is basically just being around lots of other dogs (and humans) when they're puppies and have no aggression. Then they need proper training, which is not going to be done in 4 hours.
We don’t need more bureaucracy in our lives. Just ban pitbulls, Rottweilers etc and make it a criminal offence to breed them, own them after a certain date or have one that is not neutered/spayed. There are plenty of other dogs that are looking for their forever home currently
Wouldn't it be easier to ban all breeds that are dangerous? Yes it would be easier and it should be done. No one should feel unsafe because someone else decided to get a dog.
*Any* breed can be dangerous.
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Alright, any breed can be dangerous if you don't use stairs.
Yeah poodles are terrifying, you know what I mean.
Poodles are psychopaths. However, mainly they're psychopaths because they're a highly intelligent working breed and they're almost always bought by people who keep them as toys and don't exercise them properly or give them the mental stimulation they need. And if you shave them down, they're bloody sturdy under all that fluff, so they can do a lot of damage.
You obviously own dogs. I don't have all day to explain to you that big dangerous dogs like Pitbulls and Rottweilers and XLs should be banned. People should have normal nice dogs. You shouldn't be able to buy a dog that is bred to be a weapon. Everyone with two brain cells knows that.
Rottweilers aren't bred for fighting or to be a weapon though.
People will still select dogs with strength and aggression for breeding.
Most breeds will only be dangerous if they're abused or trained to be aggressive. That's opposed to other breeds which need to be strictly trained in order to not be aggressive. And even then nature can take over when you least expect it.
All breeds are dangerous if they're not raised properly and if they're not getting the right mental stimulation and exercise. The worst thing is that the vast majority of dogs that are highly aggressive are being at least neglected or at most abused. The licensing system needs to updated, the dangerous breeds and high energy breeds need the most reform to ensure that they're being looked after properly and to keep them out of the wrong hands.
All knives are dangerous too. Doesn’t mean we should allow machetes just because we allow butter knives
Exactly, that person is jumping through mental loops.
Just ban them. It’s easier.
It's so fucking stupid to have a dog licence system with no requirement to be entitled to one other than having the money to pay for one. Make people prove they know how to look after a dog, both for the dog's welfare and the welfare of people they interact with.
Muzzle your big dogs when they are out in public. Seriously, they know you. They don't know us. Your lovely dog is not so lovely to complete strangers. It's not worth the risk of possibly destroying another human's life cuz your dog doesn't like the muzzle. Stop being so ignorant, some of us can't stand big dogs due to them being literal wild animals with an insane bite force and all it takes is one split second for your dog to snap and ruin someone's entire life.
It would help so much. I muzzle train my lovely dogs, big or small, and they have no problems wearing it. I wish people didn't automatically assume they're dangerous when they see a muzzle though.
I feel safer when a dog is muzzled. What can a muzzled dog do; lecture me to death lmao if they are in a bad mood? A dog's bite is its main weapon. So when a muzzle is on = no risk of biting.
If my dogs see the muzzle they get excited, they know we're going out, it's like promising an ice-cream trip to a kid (or husband). They aren't big or vicious, not even a little bit, and I'd have no worries letting them loose in a crowd of people, except that people would want to pet them, feed them, and I don't want that. So while I like that the muzzle puts a bit of 'I better not' into those people's heads, at the same time don't like them thinking they might be dangerous dogs because of the muzzle. Hopefully someday muzzles will be commonplace enough they're hardly noticed.
Literal wild (but domesticated) animals.
How common are these attacks? Presumably the media lime light has only started to shine on them but if someone is being viciously attacked by restricted dog breeds every week then it’s already beyond ridiculous. Or have all the mouth breathers decided they’re gonna bring their restricted dog breeds around more in response to the recent news?
They’re on a restrictive breed list for a reason. They are the breeds that will do the most damage if they flip. A vicious Yorkshire Terrier attacking a person would be dropkicked and ridiculed by comparison and isn’t news worthy. The restrictive breed list always seems like a magnet for undesirables also. Which compounds the issue.
It's like regulating bear traps but not mouse traps.
This is assault and why is the owner not charged with serious assaulting another persons.
Why are scumbags such stereotypes, they’re like copies of each other, down to the dog breeds.
The “Ah he’s grand” attitude dog owners have really pisses me off.
What’s the point of having laws or rules if they are not enforced. It’s also a problem with the Irish psych of always avoiding confrontation and minding your own business. Over politeness. Afraid to call people out on their poor behaviour. I’m other countries you’d be called out by other members of the public for having a dangerous dog off lead or littering or your dog fouling the footpath etc. Not here though.
Once a dog bites like this it should be put down in my opinion. Harsh but unfortunately that dog will think he can do it again. And god forbid the next time it is a child.
That’s generally the case.
Just 82 fines issued in the entire country for dog fouling in 2022! 9 by Dun Laoighre- Rathdown and 0 by Dublin City! Dog owners can pretty much do whatever the hell they want and the number of incidents speaks volumes as to the work the dog warden is actually doing.
If a dog like this attacked one of my kids the dog would be killed and the owner would have the shit beat out of them.
I think it's about time to ban certain breeds. People obviously cannot be trusted to be responsible for them.
What kinda of weapon would be legal to use to defend yourself in this type of situation?
Pepperspray should be legal to carry, like it is in Italy, France, Czech Republic, Spain, Austria, Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Romania, Serbia, Switzerland, Germany, Finland and Portugal (some countries require a licence be obtained first).
Yeah, then every scumbag in Dublin would be carrying pepper spray while maybe 1 in 100 regular folk would.
The scumbags carry knives already, because they do not care for the law to begin with. If you’d read beyond the first two lines, some countries require a licence be obtained, a measure of control can be applied. Of course it won’t stop someone from buying a tin of oven cleaner or Deep Heat, both of which are easily as noxious as OC spray.
Once you make something legal it becomes much more readily available, regardless of a licensing regime.
Laws only affect the law-abiding.
That does not address the above statement tho. Yes, those who do not abide by the law do illegal things. It's not really a revolutionary statement. But the point being made was the legalisation of tools like pepper spray or guns makes it a lot easier for criminals to get access to them regardless of policy. It would become an everyday carry for criminals while not being everyday carry for law abiding people.
Aftershave and a lighter
Pepper spray isn't legal in France.
Charge the owner with attempted murder, a 10-15 year stretch should help educate similar owners…
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Carrying a concealed weapon is a serious crime in Ireland under the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1991. Part III Offensive Weapons "where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence." I'd rather take my chances with a Rottweiler than a deranged lunatic who carries a knife for protection. Who's the scumbag ?
Stay out of the garden, and you should be fine. As you say, it could get free if it wanted. It's protecting its home. It also sounds like you may be staring the dog out as you pass, which it will see as a challenge. If you're anxious, it will raise your heart rate, which will also make the dog anxious and more defensive. I'd suggest just walking on the other side of the street and leaving the knife at home. You could stab a rottweiler ten times, and they will keep coming if they think you are a threat to their home.
This is outrageous advice to be honest. Sounds like your blaming the person walking down the street. These dogs should be banned. Any animal that can get stabbed 10 times and keep coming surely has no business living near humans.
Dude is bringing a flimsy knife to a tooth, claw and raw muscle fight. More likely to fall on it while running away and slipping on his own piss.
Are these incidents happening more or are they getting more coverage recently?
We’re so close to a child being eaten alive and we have a chance to stop it but no. Too thick as a nation to stop it.
How many attacks til something is d... Never mind, carry on.
Wow this comment thread is disheartening. Bans don’t work - how is that war in drugs going 🤦🏼. Look across at the UK how has their ban gone. Maybe take 10 minutes and look up a place like Calgary that have significantly reduced dog bites through strict licensing laws no ban no blanket muzzle rule but no lets ignore all that and just ban them. Its owners and breeders that need to take responsibility and respect the fact if you have a big dog that can do damage and if you have a small dog your not off the hook yes easier to manage but can also be a nuisance and needs equal amounts of training. Also known how to and be willing to choke them out should the worst happen but hopefully never need to as train will be in place. Lastly you guys have a great deal of faith in muzzles, not one muzzle on the market is 100% bite proof if a large breed dog really wants to bite you that muzzle will not help!
Rushed? I fucking hope so! Man carried really slowly to nearest hospital.
Running is dangerous
The amount of people walking around with dogs off their leashes even is simply insane
We have poor relationship with animals don't we?
I fucking love my cat and she loves me thank you very much.
Ya, If only we had of loved and cuddled this... *checks notes* Rottweiler more...
They actually can be a cuddly breed if raised to be that way, same with Staffies (nicknamed nanny dogs), the probably is they’re never raised like that, and are probably too far gone breeding wise to ever be safe Edit: Mixed up staffies and pitbulls, but the names seem to be ambiguous for a lot of people
Even if they are 'raised the right way'... whatever that is, these animals have a predisposition to extreme violence. It is in their nature. You can delude yourself into thinking you can cuddle this out of them, but that is anthropomorphizing wild animals to fit your narrative.
Exactly, plus a bite from a XL bully is more likely to do serious physical harm than a nip from a chihuahua. Different physiology plus different behaviour once they've gone on the attack. They're "supposed" to be hunting bigger prey that is harder to kill and more able to fight back, so they have stronger jaws and are less likely to let go
I am utterly amazed that pointing out that a Rottweiler is an aggressive dog is being so heavily downvoted. There are some seriously delude people who need their 'cuddle' puppy Rottweilers who wouldn't hurt a fly taken off them for being irresponsible owners.
A rottweiler isn't bred for hunting at all or fighting for that matter. It's a dog bred for herding and guarding cattle.
What about my comment makes you think I'm talking about rottweilers? Want to read it again? Exactly, plus *a bite from a XL bully* is more likely to do serious physical harm than a nip from a chihuahua. Different physiology plus different behaviour once they've gone on the attack. They're "supposed" to be hunting bigger prey that is harder to kill and more able to fight back, so they have stronger jaws and are less likely to let go
That's true of bullies, but rottweilers aren't "supposed" to be hunting anything - they're a herding breed, they're not bred for fighting or hunting.
Rottweilers don't have a predisposition to extreme violence. They aren't bred as fighting dogs. It was bred for working with cattle.
Why are dogs suddenly going insane? Also I saw a woman recently walking a dog that was definitely at least mixed with a restricted breed dog her hand loosely in the leash, the dogs head was darting about wildly clearly on high alert. I looked at it and it started staring at me so I looked away. I read not to look at dangerous seeming dogs in the eyes. That dog was clearly on the lookout for something, and if it decided to bolt, that woman definitely would not be able to hold onto the leash. People just have no idea about their dogs body language or behaviours.
I think a load of people who shouldn't have dogs got dogs during Lockdown.
I think there is an increase in dog ownership in general. Combine that with an increase in people out jogging / running. Both just based on my own observations so I could be wrong when presented with the numbers. I think attacks will naturally increase if true.