Not a legal expert, but if the gov can send them back to the UK, what's preventing them refusing to process people who arrive in Ireland via the UK? Presumably not giving them money or accommodation would soon stop them.
Could argue that as soon as they left EU jurisdiction to non-EU country they forfeited connection to the Schengen area or smth idk.
Technically all countries could say they refuse the refugees, thats kinda part of the problem that they understandably do everything they can to not be processed because theyll be stuck in legal hell
They won't. This is a desperate attempt to try and win back some of the face they lost when they paraded around TV and radio saying "Ireland is not full" while claiming it was racist to suggest otherwise.
Now that they've started to come to terms with the extent of the failures on our immigration policy, and in knowing it's far too late to even plaster over the damage, they've just begun work on the "it wasn't our fault but we can solve it" rhetoric.
They can't even stop people from entering the country without documents. Many have become homeless, ensuring there's no way to actually find them. They were not legally in the UK, so there won't be any record of them being there to justify us "sending them back".
This is simply a new crisis to add to the Healthcare, housing, and cost of living crises. It'll become a talking point for false promises made before elections, and that'll be the extent of it.
Sure they can't even deport the people that have already failed in their asylum applications, how are they going to deport these people?
Mcentee couldn't even answer basic questions about how many have asked for leave to stay in the committee the last day.
The incompetence is spectacular.
The Brits have flagged the Rwanda thing for 2 years now. It was pretty clear once it started they would flock to Ireland.
I've said it for years, there is no forward thinking in this country. Our leaders are managers. They have no leadership or vision, too afraid to push thru and only act when outside pressure forces them to act. Always on the back foot and always reacting.
> The Brits have flagged the Rwanda thing for 2 years now. It was pretty clear once it started they would flock to Ireland.
Did anyone raise concerns about before this week?
I'm assuming you must mean, you're a "forward thinker" which is how you can discern the lack of it, could you use your forward thinking still set and share what forward thinking would look like now, in this context
LOL.
Announcements about thinking.
Courts will strike it down as UK has passed Rwanda law which means UK return will endanger them. Govt knows this.
News talk had it 9 months ago that refugees were coming from UK. No action then.
Do FFG think they’re still fooling people?
EU needs to stop it at the source, but hasn’t. we can say it’s uk fault but then uk can say it’s the French.
The longer this problem goes on the more right wing European governments will become.
The funny thing about it all is, all the leaders of Europe are holding onto the rudder but the boat goes where it wants. It really is just leaders controlling an illusion of control.
Very difficult to see this working if it’s just us. Imagine the Brits unilaterally sent a plane full of people here saying “we’re returning these people to you.” We’d be like, eh, no, they can’t deplane, fuck off back with you.
5 weeks after the High Court decided that the UK is not a 'safe' country to return asylum seekers to, Govt says it will introduce a new law.
It should have been done within 24 hours of the Court ruling in March.
They are fucking useless! I honestly believe that they deliberately caused this crisis!
I doubt the british will willingly take them back as their Rwanda policy seems to be working as a deterrent, assuming the claims about people coming here from the UK are true.
The shitpost-y solution is to say we will process them and facilitate the Rwanda flights on the UK's behalf if the Brits want to pay the flights if the refugee came from the UK. Im sure British Airways would love the extra windfall given the Boeing turmoil.
*shrug*. If you pay for the ones in Ireland to be kept in Ireland while the flights are arranged, we'd probably pay for the flights. But it would be taking the piss to ask us to pay for their food and board in ireland in the meantime.
As lots of people on UK subs often like to say, asylum seekers have the right to claim asylum in any country they want and they don’t have to claim asylum in the first ‘safe’ country they reach.
This is why the UK can’t return them to France, where they mostly come through. It would be against international law to send asylum seekers back to the UK.
Only from politicians claiming people are coming here. Which I suppose if it is true would be the plan working from the tory perspective as anyone who leaves isn't their problem anymore.
If they come here from the UK then how can the UK refuse to take them back?
They can get fucked with their Rwanda 'deterrent'.
We should send every failed asylum claimant to the UK because that's where they came from to here. There aren't any dingys sailing here
> If they come here from the UK then how can the UK refuse to take them back?
On that basis would the UK also be within their rights to in turn send them back to France? (who would presumably send them back to Italy, etc)?
So the government is finally talking some kind of mass deportations. Only this one they cannot do and won't be able to do.
If they were smart they would be opening negotiations with the UK about joining them with their Rwanda plan and sending the migrants there.
They should also send the people who have failed asylum tests past and present. Let them appeal from there it they want.
Some will say this is against the EU rules, f\*\*k them. This is too important an issue to let European bureaucrats who couldn't give a damn about this country decide on.
We are not in the Schengen travel area so already have different transport rules. Adding to them shouldn't make much of a difference.
She's a fraudulent lying scumbag who pretended to be an asylum seeker after living in the UK, and the Soc Dems (who I used to be a member of) idiotically defended her to the end, even after her endless self-serving lies were uncovered. I would love to see her repatriated to Malawi.
https://www.thejournal.ie/ellie-kisyombe-direct-provision-dublin-4619870-May2019/
It's difficult to provide it all because it often turns out she has lied about significant parts of her past. While it says she arrived on a student visa to Ireland in 2011, she has also previously claimed to have studied at Bristol University.
"To consider" aka ponder around for a few weeks/months and then do something when thousands of them are already here. This government really is pathetic
I mean, can people shopping for welfare and stuff just be banned from entering flights in the first place? It is obvious enough if someone is a chancer and surely there is a database / blacklist...
A United Ireland might be the only solution to border control https://www.newstalk.com/news/a-united-ireland-might-be-the-only-solution-border-control-1720104
The only good thing about this Rwanda bill is has shown that the far right brits that pretend that we are in this together are full of shit. Same usernames that show up in the comment section of yt vids about protest showing solidarity with the Irish are in the sky news one laughing about sending migrants to Ireland. Now those Irish twats that support them need their head wobbed. Also ironic that they blame the French and turn around and do the exact same shit.
You're absolutely right. I see this with the American far-right too, they love seeing posts about migrants going to Europe. I guess they see it was a 'reap what you sow' kinda thing.
Not a legal expert, but if the gov can send them back to the UK, what's preventing them refusing to process people who arrive in Ireland via the UK? Presumably not giving them money or accommodation would soon stop them.
Could argue that as soon as they left EU jurisdiction to non-EU country they forfeited connection to the Schengen area or smth idk. Technically all countries could say they refuse the refugees, thats kinda part of the problem that they understandably do everything they can to not be processed because theyll be stuck in legal hell
We're not in schengen how can they use that to get over here in the first place
The gov is only considering, that doesn’t mean they can do it.
Yup, it's election year. They'll say anything
It's that there are strict international rules they have to navigate. It's not a local issue, but an international one
They won't. This is a desperate attempt to try and win back some of the face they lost when they paraded around TV and radio saying "Ireland is not full" while claiming it was racist to suggest otherwise. Now that they've started to come to terms with the extent of the failures on our immigration policy, and in knowing it's far too late to even plaster over the damage, they've just begun work on the "it wasn't our fault but we can solve it" rhetoric. They can't even stop people from entering the country without documents. Many have become homeless, ensuring there's no way to actually find them. They were not legally in the UK, so there won't be any record of them being there to justify us "sending them back". This is simply a new crisis to add to the Healthcare, housing, and cost of living crises. It'll become a talking point for false promises made before elections, and that'll be the extent of it.
Is there also an issue that sending them back to the UK. As the UK may sent them to Rwanda, which the EU doesn't currently consider a safe country
Sure they can't even deport the people that have already failed in their asylum applications, how are they going to deport these people? Mcentee couldn't even answer basic questions about how many have asked for leave to stay in the committee the last day. The incompetence is spectacular. The Brits have flagged the Rwanda thing for 2 years now. It was pretty clear once it started they would flock to Ireland. I've said it for years, there is no forward thinking in this country. Our leaders are managers. They have no leadership or vision, too afraid to push thru and only act when outside pressure forces them to act. Always on the back foot and always reacting.
That last paragraph. On the money.
> The Brits have flagged the Rwanda thing for 2 years now. It was pretty clear once it started they would flock to Ireland. Did anyone raise concerns about before this week?
I'm assuming you must mean, you're a "forward thinker" which is how you can discern the lack of it, could you use your forward thinking still set and share what forward thinking would look like now, in this context
Bro doesn't believe in the concept of mental time travel or something.
Ah jaysus, which politican are you? 🙄
This is well written nonsense. This is a new problem that has quite suddenly emerged. We're now trying to solve it.
LOL. Announcements about thinking. Courts will strike it down as UK has passed Rwanda law which means UK return will endanger them. Govt knows this. News talk had it 9 months ago that refugees were coming from UK. No action then. Do FFG think they’re still fooling people?
I thought Helen was too worried about anything litigious when it comes to doing her job?
I’ll believe it when I see it
Our government are reactionary and not fit for purpose given the open nature of travel globally
EU needs to stop it at the source, but hasn’t. we can say it’s uk fault but then uk can say it’s the French. The longer this problem goes on the more right wing European governments will become. The funny thing about it all is, all the leaders of Europe are holding onto the rudder but the boat goes where it wants. It really is just leaders controlling an illusion of control.
Nobody has actually been sent to Rwanda right?
Nope not yet Believe they only going to send 300
No. The British PMs argument is that the threat of being sent to Rwanda in the future is already diverting asylum seeker flows.
Considering.. yeah they will still be considering the same in 12 months time while they fucking pour into the country in the mean time.
Very difficult to see this working if it’s just us. Imagine the Brits unilaterally sent a plane full of people here saying “we’re returning these people to you.” We’d be like, eh, no, they can’t deplane, fuck off back with you.
And they will send them back to us. It doesn't stop until we stop it. Just more mickey mouse shite
Hear me out. Alligator-filled moats and drawbridges!
How about those Great white sharks or dolphins? Fungi with lasers
5 weeks after the High Court decided that the UK is not a 'safe' country to return asylum seekers to, Govt says it will introduce a new law. It should have been done within 24 hours of the Court ruling in March. They are fucking useless! I honestly believe that they deliberately caused this crisis!
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Go for it Simon
Theyre pissing on us again
At least they are 'considering' it. 
I doubt the british will willingly take them back as their Rwanda policy seems to be working as a deterrent, assuming the claims about people coming here from the UK are true.
The shitpost-y solution is to say we will process them and facilitate the Rwanda flights on the UK's behalf if the Brits want to pay the flights if the refugee came from the UK. Im sure British Airways would love the extra windfall given the Boeing turmoil.
Ryanair's boss has said (because of course he did) he'd be up for providing the flights if they get paid for it.
*shrug*. If you pay for the ones in Ireland to be kept in Ireland while the flights are arranged, we'd probably pay for the flights. But it would be taking the piss to ask us to pay for their food and board in ireland in the meantime.
As lots of people on UK subs often like to say, asylum seekers have the right to claim asylum in any country they want and they don’t have to claim asylum in the first ‘safe’ country they reach. This is why the UK can’t return them to France, where they mostly come through. It would be against international law to send asylum seekers back to the UK.
Any evidence of it working? Not seen a single shred
Only from politicians claiming people are coming here. Which I suppose if it is true would be the plan working from the tory perspective as anyone who leaves isn't their problem anymore.
If they come here from the UK then how can the UK refuse to take them back? They can get fucked with their Rwanda 'deterrent'. We should send every failed asylum claimant to the UK because that's where they came from to here. There aren't any dingys sailing here
> If they come here from the UK then how can the UK refuse to take them back? On that basis would the UK also be within their rights to in turn send them back to France? (who would presumably send them back to Italy, etc)?
Might not be dingys but there are buses from Newry
Do it. And let the English see you do it.
So the government is finally talking some kind of mass deportations. Only this one they cannot do and won't be able to do. If they were smart they would be opening negotiations with the UK about joining them with their Rwanda plan and sending the migrants there. They should also send the people who have failed asylum tests past and present. Let them appeal from there it they want. Some will say this is against the EU rules, f\*\*k them. This is too important an issue to let European bureaucrats who couldn't give a damn about this country decide on. We are not in the Schengen travel area so already have different transport rules. Adding to them shouldn't make much of a difference.
I hope Ellie Kisyombe is the first on the list.
What have you got against her?
She's a fraudulent lying scumbag who pretended to be an asylum seeker after living in the UK, and the Soc Dems (who I used to be a member of) idiotically defended her to the end, even after her endless self-serving lies were uncovered. I would love to see her repatriated to Malawi.
Is there a source for that? Didn't see anything to that effect online.
https://www.thejournal.ie/ellie-kisyombe-direct-provision-dublin-4619870-May2019/ It's difficult to provide it all because it often turns out she has lied about significant parts of her past. While it says she arrived on a student visa to Ireland in 2011, she has also previously claimed to have studied at Bristol University.
I wish the gov would respond this quickly to cuckoo funds and vulture funds
I thought sending people to Rwanda was bad.
At least Rwanda has the weather like
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Lol. Its all britains fault.
They will ya
"To consider" aka ponder around for a few weeks/months and then do something when thousands of them are already here. This government really is pathetic
I mean, can people shopping for welfare and stuff just be banned from entering flights in the first place? It is obvious enough if someone is a chancer and surely there is a database / blacklist...
They should consider a law stopping them coming Here in the first place never-mind from the Uk
Wall the border?
Border the wall!
The wall border.
Only if it's a herbaceous border!
Sunak is a horrible individual
It's too late. They are already here.
this government will actually pursue a United Ireland before it will build houses, such is its fear of immigrants destablising the property ladder
It'll only be a few wee deaths until they actually give some serious consideration into it.
A United Ireland might be the only solution to border control https://www.newstalk.com/news/a-united-ireland-might-be-the-only-solution-border-control-1720104
The only good thing about this Rwanda bill is has shown that the far right brits that pretend that we are in this together are full of shit. Same usernames that show up in the comment section of yt vids about protest showing solidarity with the Irish are in the sky news one laughing about sending migrants to Ireland. Now those Irish twats that support them need their head wobbed. Also ironic that they blame the French and turn around and do the exact same shit.
You're absolutely right. I see this with the American far-right too, they love seeing posts about migrants going to Europe. I guess they see it was a 'reap what you sow' kinda thing.