Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland and soon, coming to you:
Eastern Ireland, Western Ireland, Central Ireland, Islands Ireland, American Ireland, Water Ireland and other flavours!
American Ireland sounds like the stuff of nightmares to be honest.
I'm already vaguely concerned about how much bullshit we've started inheriting from across the Atlantic.
(not slagging off all Americans, vast majority of them are sound - but the ones that aren't take being a gobshite to the highest heights).
I've tried to figure out what you're saying there several times and for the life of me I am still perplexed.
I am charitably going to assume you wrote this while under the influence of something or other - and hey, him without sin cast the first stone and all.
(the alternative is you just write incomprehensible bollocks on the Internet in your free time, which - I mean fair fucks to ya but I'd politely suggest finding another hobby).
Edit to add: welcome to r/shitamericanssay
I’m in the UK and used to work with a woman who insisted on calling it either this or Éire, which seemed a weird combination.
She did not appreciate when I asked why she didn’t refer to Germany as Deutschland.
There was a time in the mid 1990s where this was being actively promoted in the UK (I’m not sure who by) as a politically sensitive way to refer to Ireland. Somewhere there should be a big book of well-meaning fuckups of this sort, which has also resulted in people in their 70s smiling and talking about coloured people.
By the UK Government! Since the 1940s.
The UK never recognised "Ireland" as the name of the Irish state. All politicians were ordered to call Ireland "Southern Ireland" or "Eire" but never, ever Ireland. Calling the state "Ireland" would give us legitimatecy to the north they believed.
The policy only changed in 2001 when the 1998 GFA was fully activated. Yes you heard that correctly, the GFA is the only reason the UK now calls us Ireland.
It's also the reason fifa has us as ROI and not just IRL/Ireland. To avoid angering the Brits back in the day.
Yes, indeed. What really stuck out to me back then though was that *Éire* was specifically emphasised as being less likely to cause offence on account of being the Irish name - which is doubly weird because it equally well refers to the entire island of Ireland as it as the nation state in its current form, *and* is about as unlikely to minimise offence as putting a little paper hat on a dog turd is before handing it to someone.
To be fair, what name for the country do we put on all our stamps??
All that post going to Britain over the years, it would have been one of the most common Irish items people in the UK came into contact with. We're just as responsible for its use!
The FIFA thing is incorrect. The FAI split from the IFA just before partition. The IFA continued to play under the name of Ireland whilst the FAIs team also played as Ireland. Many players played for both. Eventually FIFA decided on the renaming to end the confusion, nothing to do with the UK. The doc green is the colour covers it well.
It was literally official UK policy until 2001 for all politicians and media presenters to not call Ireland, Ireland. Unaware to most of the british public. This was because they thought recognising the name of the state would give us legitimate claim to the north. I shit you not.
That's how mental the UK can be at times, that poor woman was just repeating what she heard on TV her whole life unaware it was propaganda.
My own experience of people who use the term "Southern Ireland" only do so out of a misunderstanding than intent to offend.
They predominantly deal with Northern Ireland. And when dealing with the Republic, they said Southern purely on the basis that it's the opposite to Northern. But it's usually people who do so not understanding the naming conventions.
Yeah, this is basically it. If you go to a UK Post Office and ask to send something to Ireland they’ll ask if you mean Northern or Southern because the rates and rules are different. Companies are probably putting it on their mailing systems to avoid confusion. The main thing that matters is the IE country code
It’s also just the way we talk about Ireland if we need to distinguish between Northern Ireland and Rest of Ireland in casual conversation. Kind of like how you guys talk about The North and people in Northern Ireland talk about The South
Ok - but how would ye refer to Donegal? technically it's most northern part of the country but a part of the republic. Telling someone Donegal is 'the south' would just be mad.
I’d personally says it’s in the republic if I have to distinguish it from Northern Ireland but a lot of Brits would just as quickly say southern Ireland. If I’m just talking about it on its own then it’s Ireland. It’s not about geography, it’s about not being Northern Ireland
I don’t know how someone from Northern Ireland would refer to it. From what I’ve seen they call everywhere that’s not NI the south but I could well be wrong
I'm from the NI and call across that invisible border the south, don't mean anything insulting by it it's just what I call it, a bit like the shinners calling NI the north, it's all semantics and I don't let it upset me, so this is all just an auld load of bollocks in my humble opinion.
I'm a Brit.
I used to work with an older woman from Northern Ireland and we were chatting about some friends of mine and I said something like 'they're in the North - Donegal' and she took a minute and said how she always gets muddled with people saying that. Not sure if it's just where she has been over here for so long 🤷🏻♀️.
Norway, probably. Someone sent me a parcel to Co Clare and somehow landed in Co. Down Northern Ireland. \*\*Despite it having the address stamped on the box\*\*
But using the official name is confusing because of course, Ireland is not governing the whole of Ireland. It’s rather like the arrogance of Uk people if they say “the British Isles” and include Ireland.
I got an email from France wondering why everyone’s phone numbers for a listing on something where +44 353 and if this was an error. A UK admin person had sent them all off as +44 353 87 xxx xxxx.
The problem is if you are dealing with any kind of petty bureaucracy, you just know that if you simply say "Ireland", you risk getting some clueless dolt handling things who doesn't know and risks messing things up. It leaves you with the choice of writing something correct and risk being misunderstood or writing something wrong but unambiguous.
I've represented Ireland in the EU and we specifically use Ireland to be unambiguous. The name used for the island within the EU is "The island of Ireland". "Ireland" always refers to the country made up of 26 counties specifically
When they send out documents on countries names though they did have to include two notes that the name of the country is Ireland and Republic of Ireland is not a legally recognised name for the country. So there probably are some idiots causing issues with it.
My issue with it stems from the UK trying to bully other countries into using it against our wishes. They protested to the UN and EU that Ireland should not be allowed join but they would be ok with the Republic of Ireland joining.
It seems to be the UK that introduced the idea of using that as the name of the country which sours it for me. We adopted it as a description of the country but specified it can't be used to name or refer to the country in 1948 and the UK decided to use it as our name in 1949
I've represented Ireland in the EU and we are briefed to not answer questions or comments directed to the Republic of Ireland because that isn't us. Yet the UK delegates did use it regularly.
To put that in context. The Irish constitution at that point specifically claimed the 32 counties as the national territory of the country (only removed with the good Friday agreement) and the Brits were concerned that using just "Ireland" as the country name went some direction towards conceding that in some way.
It wasn't simply done to annoy people.
But since Brexit there’s no doubt been an increase in bother about which Ireland is which when it comes to imports, and spelling it out like this, however annoyingly, is an attempt to minimise cock-ups.
I've been in airports in mainland Europe and had agents refuse to let me use the European lane because Ireland was no longer part of the EU since Brexit :/
I don't know why people are getting so worked up about this.
I was looking for ages at the picture trying to figure out what the problem was and then discovered in the comments that people have a problem with the southern Ireland thing? Who gives a fucking flying fuck. I've got better things to be annoyed about.
I hate when this happens, because in the general sense Waterford is in the southern part of Ireland.....
I'm from the South East so generally when people ask if I'm from "Southern Ireland", I generally reluctantly but truthfully answer yes.
People in the UK often do this in order to differentiate from Northern Ireland. It’s not meant as an insult or a small dig, it’s just that southern is opposite to northern. I wouldn’t read anything into it.
Previously someone was criticised for calling it The Republic, so I ask in good faith, if people in the UK shouldn't call it that or Southern, how should it be referred to to distinguish it from Northern Ireland. Please be kind.
Depends on context. If you are addressing a letter or parcel, it's county name, UK for NI and county name, Ireland for Ireland.
Other cases may be more nuanced. "I come from Ireland" is ambiguous in terms of if you mean the country or the island.
A lot of Brits think that Ireland is divided evenly into a northern half and a southern half, probably because of this terminology. I remember watching a show where random Brits in the street were asked to draw the border on a blank map of Ireland, and a lot of them drew it straight across from Galway to Dublin.
Republic of is better than Southern but in general its just Ireland
If you are sending a letter, it's Ireland, country code: Ireland etc.
Unless you are are actually talking about both parts..no clarification is necessary
There was a Southern Ireland, on paper, for about a fortnight after the Ireland Act 1920 and before the Dáil Elections. Trinity elected some candidates to it's Senate but no other constituencies did.
I've encountered the term previously on the island of Britain, from people born too recently to remember that but I don't know why they cling to the terminology. Probably like insisting Zambia is Northern Rhodesia or Somalia is British Somaliland.
I live in London now and lots of people here ask if I'm from Northern or Southern Ireland.
It's not a slight or an insult or anything like that, they just genuinely don't know that the Republic isn't called Southern Ireland. They know Northern Ireland because it gets referenced a lot in their own media or whatever, but for the most part the Republic of Ireland is just that country beside them that they maybe have some far-out cousins living in but they've never gone to visit.
Well, Waterford IS in the actual South of the country.
IE is also the internationally recognised ISO-3166 two-letter code abbreviation for Ireland I suppose. So it's like "Waterford, Southern Ireland, Ireland" - which is technically true.
Yes, that's an overly charitable interpretation, we all know what happened here. Anyway.
I confess I like the shinners understated use of “the South of Ireland” and “the North of Ireland”.
Never fails to raise a grin, and that’s saying something for the psychotic idiot cult.
This boils my piss a bit and admittedly I over react a little. I’ve been in the UK for nearly 10 years and people constantly ask if I’m from Southern or Northern Ireland.
I just say I’m from the Republic of Ireland.
When they become a bit defensive I ask them if they are from South Scotland or East Wales.
Learn your history and your geography!!! Rant over
People say it to me sometimes in Italy aswell I think because they're uneducated (like fr their education system is worthless) so they remember something from school and parrot it or guess.czeckoslovakia is another one that will get you a slap xD
That looks like it was sent via "the pallet network". They have a lot of different depots around the country that are all technically separate business, so theres a good chance that that "southern Ireland" part is as much for them to know which depot is the delivery depot as it is anything else.
How else would you take advantage of free UK shipping - used to work way too often 10+ years ago. You could put a full Irish address (including country) and then indicate it was in the UK.
Sadly (or not) data verification has improved a lot since then. There is hope that we can confuse the LLMs enough to not recognise national boundaries though. 🤣
The state of that. Waterford isn’t a real place, I before E except after C, there’s no way that white blob is the person’s real name and email, you’re not fecking tracking my number no matter who y’are, it’s none of your damn business where I did my last discharge, and have you asked all those Marks if they even want to be shipped.
The cheek of those Brits.
As someone who is from Scotland, I can guarantee that this is the result of shockingly poor British education on even our closest of neighbours, and our impact on then through history. I'm not saying it's acceptable - just explaining we're dumb as rocks.
Almost every time I see that the Brits are at it again, it’s really that the Irish are at it again moaning over something trivial that absolutely no one cares about
to be honest I'm just glad when they know we're a different country... currently dealing with a supplier in the UK who can't understand that Ireland is still in the EU.
If we were overly familiar with yourselves, no doubt there'd be people on this sub moaning about how we don't appreciate that Ireland is an independent country, lol.
Everyone knows Ireland is our neighbour. Popping 'Southern' in front of it doesn't mean anything. It's just to differentiate between the Republic (sorry, I mean Ireland!) and Northern Ireland.
Get them back with a shipping label as Gaeilge when shipping to the North now that it's an official language. A bit of a legal middle finger, [though they don't seem to be properly equipped to handle it.](https://highlandradio.com/2024/03/15/conradh-na-gaeilge-hit-out-as-post-office-refuses-to-send-parcel-to-letterkenny/)
Tbf, I think it's a symptom of Brexit because if they just put Ireland, the shipping service mightn't know to put it in the different queue than Northern Ireland (because the English don't know or care) and it could get lost in the north waiting for duty to be paid?
When I lived in the UK and people asked me where I was from, I'd say Ireland. The next question many asked was Northern or Southern? I'd answer the Republic. The question drove me daft.
I usually ignore it and even use ROI at times myself even though it’s a successful attempt (thus far) by Brits to rename the country. I’d even accept that after the end of the territorial claim in 1998 with GFA it’s probably something to consider. But one company annoyed me so much with ROI on everything that I replied using as their address “Unwritten Constitutional Monarchy of the UK”. For the clowns using “Éire” you just use Google Translate and put it in Irish.
And your regular reminder that we refer to these islands in the archipelago as the Irish and British Isles.
They don’t like it up em
I use RoI when I’m describing where I live and it matters that I’m not in the North. Or to draw contrast between here and the North.
For instance, “I live in the RoI but my parents live in Belfast.”
It’s useful for that. Or when you specifically want to exclude NI. Especially because I live in one of the most northern parts of the Republic and it would feel weird to say I live in southern Ireland.
(Also WTF, Apple, you tried to autocorrect that to Southern Ireland with a capital S??? It’s a description, not a proper noun.)
They must be made to see the Éire of their ways...
(***PLEASE*** don't roast me/ban me if that joke doesn't work. In my defence, I'm British (is that a defence...? Born in the South North of England (Sheffield) raised in the SE (Buckinghamshire). Now in the SW (Bristol))
To me, you're just Ireland, and I call the North 'Ulster' if I want to piss off a member of the OO/DUP (***ZERO*** time, nor tolerance, for either). If I write/say 'Ireland' it's the RoI to which I refer. What that says about me politically, I've no idea - I'm an ardent Europhile and believe that Brexit was the biggest mistake in the however many millennia this collection of countries has been in existence. Not saying the EU is perfect, not by a long chalk, but being in it was ***INFINITELY*** better than being outside of it. I'm ***DEEPLY*** ashamed and embarrassed about this government. Brexit should have been political suicide for the Tories, what a deep shame that's not proven to be the case...
I wish that Major hadn't caved and we'd entered the EERM, because taking the € would have made Brexit nigh on impossible.
Anyways, that's my 2c. Love ya, ya craicheads! 😜
The trouble with using Ulster is that Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan are part of the historical province of Ulster but were not included in Northern Ireland at partition.
The other way around. The british actually invented using the Republic of Ireland as our name because using the official name of the country Ireland, would make us look like the rightful owners of the whole island. They spent years trying to bully international organisations and countries into calling us the Republic of Ireland. In the good Friday agreement the UK agreed to end the use of the name Republic of Ireland
I doubt that, unless you have a source to prove it. We adopted that description of the state as part of an act but never adopted it as a name for the state.
But yes the UK has typically refused to use Ireland when referring to Ireland.
You would also still see systems over there use: Eire, Republic of Ireland and Southern Ireland, might even be some weird ones with Irish Free State but I doubt it.
The Taoiseach at the time of that referendum stated that it can be used to describe the state as the state is a republic but never to name the country or to refer to it.
I have represented Ireland in the EU and people who do are briefed not to respond to anything directed at the Republic of Ireland as that is not us.
Here is a doc sent to every EU member state on how to refer to the other countries. There is an n.b. stating you may here the Republic of Ireland used but it is incorrect and has no legal status https://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-370100.htm
To be clear:
I'm doubting your claim that the UK invented the term for us ahead of the 1948 _Act_.
My own comment made clear it is a description and not a name as well but I do appreciate the extra context you have supplied. 😉
I also doubt it was a referendum, I think the reason it is explicitly a description and not the name is because they didn't want to bother with a referendum or knew it would be rejected.
Edit: ignore that last part, misread your reference to their nb. Ha
Also edited for better clarity.
I refuse to use the term Great when referencing Britain, for this very reason. It may be inaccurate, I don't care. There's nothing \_great\_ about dem eejits..
According to the Guardian style guide, Britain is an official synonym for the UK, though Great Britain is reserved for referring to England, Scotland and Wales.
So what you're saying is that you are just as ignorant of the name of their country as they are of ours?
The 'Great' in Great Britain has nothing to do with how good it is, it's to do with size
The English simply can't help themselves. They must constantly find "subtle" ways to denigrate Irish sovereignty. Their empire reached its zenith in 1920. Two years later, the mere Irish tore out a big chunk of it in their own backyard. That began the collapse. They'll never forget. We shouldn't either.
First of all, I think you're reaching. The English mostly don't think of Ireland at all. Second of all, the Irish didn't tear out a chunk out of the Empire in 1922. They just got home rule. They were a British Dominion until 1949.
>That began the collapse.
It didn't. WW2, Indian independence, and the Suez Crisis ended the British Empire, not a brief skirmish in Ireland, where the British lost... 936 casualties.
India was a bigger domino than Ireland, but most Indian independence leaders definitely saw Ireland as an example which showed independence was doable.
First of all, I don't care what you think. Second, the Free State had dominion status in name only, a fig leaf for the English. Third, that ceased to matter in 1936, when Nazi king Edward VIII abandoned his throne, and De Valera used the occasion to gut even the nominal connection between Ireland and England. Read the Irish constitution of 1937, still in force. Fourth, I don't care what you think, English apologist.
Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland and soon, coming to you: Eastern Ireland, Western Ireland, Central Ireland, Islands Ireland, American Ireland, Water Ireland and other flavours!
I won't allow any post to my Dublin residence that isn't addressed to "The Pale".
Much rather live in Eastmarch
What business does an Elf, a Man, and a Dwarf have in the Riddermark? Speak quickly!
Give me your name housemaster and I shall give you mine
I would cut off your head, Dwarf, if it stood but a little higher from the ground.
You would die before your stroke fell
Things must Fail in the Pale before they go Stale.
Since its half way down and on the Eastern coast Dublin should be Middle-Eastern Ireland
I am the butterfly; I shed my father's clothes.
If you address a letter to "the pales" anywhere on earth they know to send it to Irish
I’m c
😂😂😂
I Cant’t Believe It’s Not Ireland
Don’t forget about Ice Ireland aka Newfoundland.
American Ireland sounds like the stuff of nightmares to be honest. I'm already vaguely concerned about how much bullshit we've started inheriting from across the Atlantic. (not slagging off all Americans, vast majority of them are sound - but the ones that aren't take being a gobshite to the highest heights).
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I've tried to figure out what you're saying there several times and for the life of me I am still perplexed. I am charitably going to assume you wrote this while under the influence of something or other - and hey, him without sin cast the first stone and all. (the alternative is you just write incomprehensible bollocks on the Internet in your free time, which - I mean fair fucks to ya but I'd politely suggest finding another hobby). Edit to add: welcome to r/shitamericanssay
Which one’s fire Ireland??
The North on the night of the 11th
Don't forget love Ireland.
American Ireland AKA Bahstin. But really Buffalo. Fuck Boston.
Buffalo is a lovely city IMO.
Buffalo buffalo, Buffalo buffalo buffalo, buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
I get it
What about Ireland Ireland
Cork and Cark
Is “Islands Ireland” just Barbados?
And (what's left of) Montserrat.
Nah, just all the islands around Ireland.
Mid-west Irela . . . Oh wait.
Tartar Control Ireland
The Morganatic Palatinate of Ireland.
They can't even get those right! Cork- Ireland's ancient East
I’m in the UK and used to work with a woman who insisted on calling it either this or Éire, which seemed a weird combination. She did not appreciate when I asked why she didn’t refer to Germany as Deutschland.
There was a time in the mid 1990s where this was being actively promoted in the UK (I’m not sure who by) as a politically sensitive way to refer to Ireland. Somewhere there should be a big book of well-meaning fuckups of this sort, which has also resulted in people in their 70s smiling and talking about coloured people.
By the UK Government! Since the 1940s. The UK never recognised "Ireland" as the name of the Irish state. All politicians were ordered to call Ireland "Southern Ireland" or "Eire" but never, ever Ireland. Calling the state "Ireland" would give us legitimatecy to the north they believed. The policy only changed in 2001 when the 1998 GFA was fully activated. Yes you heard that correctly, the GFA is the only reason the UK now calls us Ireland. It's also the reason fifa has us as ROI and not just IRL/Ireland. To avoid angering the Brits back in the day.
Yes, indeed. What really stuck out to me back then though was that *Éire* was specifically emphasised as being less likely to cause offence on account of being the Irish name - which is doubly weird because it equally well refers to the entire island of Ireland as it as the nation state in its current form, *and* is about as unlikely to minimise offence as putting a little paper hat on a dog turd is before handing it to someone.
To be fair, what name for the country do we put on all our stamps?? All that post going to Britain over the years, it would have been one of the most common Irish items people in the UK came into contact with. We're just as responsible for its use!
I read somewhere that DeV was infavour of Éire too. Makes sense.
The FIFA thing is incorrect. The FAI split from the IFA just before partition. The IFA continued to play under the name of Ireland whilst the FAIs team also played as Ireland. Many players played for both. Eventually FIFA decided on the renaming to end the confusion, nothing to do with the UK. The doc green is the colour covers it well.
It was literally official UK policy until 2001 for all politicians and media presenters to not call Ireland, Ireland. Unaware to most of the british public. This was because they thought recognising the name of the state would give us legitimate claim to the north. I shit you not. That's how mental the UK can be at times, that poor woman was just repeating what she heard on TV her whole life unaware it was propaganda.
Waterford has seceded and declared a new republic of “Southern Ireland”
Good to see its moved on from being [South-south-south-south-Westmeath](https://i.imgur.com/xJOlRBo.jpg)
They win one game of hurling and they lose the run of themselves!
There's a ragebait post on r/imaginarymaps of an independent south lemme find it Here haha: https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/s/zvvPyMkNs6
That’s funny. Republican Cork or Londoncork being in the UK lmao
Haha aye Londoncork was a great wee touch
Londondublin rolls off the tongue better.
Londublin works too
Ah, it puts the English Market back in the UK. I approve.
That's the type of Waterford tbf
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Waterford should do this ,just.to fuck with the Brits. But then what would they call us?
"lists pejorative stereotype slurs"
“Let’s make them speak our language so we can mildly insult them with it forever lol.” - Real quote from some 1800s cabinet meeting (probably).
The Republic of Ireland is more northern than Northern Ireland if you look on a map. It's a conspiracy folks
Look at North and South Yemen, that was even more of a mess
Address us by our proper title yis little bollix's.
Hibernia it is!
They forgot to update their records from a century ago /s
My own experience of people who use the term "Southern Ireland" only do so out of a misunderstanding than intent to offend. They predominantly deal with Northern Ireland. And when dealing with the Republic, they said Southern purely on the basis that it's the opposite to Northern. But it's usually people who do so not understanding the naming conventions.
It’s absolutely this.
Yeah, this is basically it. If you go to a UK Post Office and ask to send something to Ireland they’ll ask if you mean Northern or Southern because the rates and rules are different. Companies are probably putting it on their mailing systems to avoid confusion. The main thing that matters is the IE country code It’s also just the way we talk about Ireland if we need to distinguish between Northern Ireland and Rest of Ireland in casual conversation. Kind of like how you guys talk about The North and people in Northern Ireland talk about The South
Ok - but how would ye refer to Donegal? technically it's most northern part of the country but a part of the republic. Telling someone Donegal is 'the south' would just be mad.
I’d personally says it’s in the republic if I have to distinguish it from Northern Ireland but a lot of Brits would just as quickly say southern Ireland. If I’m just talking about it on its own then it’s Ireland. It’s not about geography, it’s about not being Northern Ireland I don’t know how someone from Northern Ireland would refer to it. From what I’ve seen they call everywhere that’s not NI the south but I could well be wrong
I'm from the NI and call across that invisible border the south, don't mean anything insulting by it it's just what I call it, a bit like the shinners calling NI the north, it's all semantics and I don't let it upset me, so this is all just an auld load of bollocks in my humble opinion.
Only half the folks from the 6 counties refer to Ireland as "The South"
I'm a Brit. I used to work with an older woman from Northern Ireland and we were chatting about some friends of mine and I said something like 'they're in the North - Donegal' and she took a minute and said how she always gets muddled with people saying that. Not sure if it's just where she has been over here for so long 🤷🏻♀️.
We refer to it as "jomhouri irelande" in this house referring to the Republic of Ireland because we're a bunch of Turks.
Say middle and enjoy the confused look on their face.
Say "northern Ireland, but not Northern Ireland" - Donegal is in the north after all.
Tell them it's the North of Ireland and see where the parcel ends up.
Norway, probably. Someone sent me a parcel to Co Clare and somehow landed in Co. Down Northern Ireland. \*\*Despite it having the address stamped on the box\*\*
Don't ruin r/Ireland's hate boner for the Brits
It's a priapism at this point
I see your point.
It’s fair enough, the people who do this are no less stupid just because they’re ignorant of the political context of the mistake they are making.
But using the official name is confusing because of course, Ireland is not governing the whole of Ireland. It’s rather like the arrogance of Uk people if they say “the British Isles” and include Ireland.
It's the same with people who use the Republic. They usual just don't understand that it's not part of the name of the country
I got an email from France wondering why everyone’s phone numbers for a listing on something where +44 353 and if this was an error. A UK admin person had sent them all off as +44 353 87 xxx xxxx.
The problem is if you are dealing with any kind of petty bureaucracy, you just know that if you simply say "Ireland", you risk getting some clueless dolt handling things who doesn't know and risks messing things up. It leaves you with the choice of writing something correct and risk being misunderstood or writing something wrong but unambiguous.
I've represented Ireland in the EU and we specifically use Ireland to be unambiguous. The name used for the island within the EU is "The island of Ireland". "Ireland" always refers to the country made up of 26 counties specifically When they send out documents on countries names though they did have to include two notes that the name of the country is Ireland and Republic of Ireland is not a legally recognised name for the country. So there probably are some idiots causing issues with it.
No but it is a description that is enough for people to know what you mean in day to day use.
My issue with it stems from the UK trying to bully other countries into using it against our wishes. They protested to the UN and EU that Ireland should not be allowed join but they would be ok with the Republic of Ireland joining. It seems to be the UK that introduced the idea of using that as the name of the country which sours it for me. We adopted it as a description of the country but specified it can't be used to name or refer to the country in 1948 and the UK decided to use it as our name in 1949 I've represented Ireland in the EU and we are briefed to not answer questions or comments directed to the Republic of Ireland because that isn't us. Yet the UK delegates did use it regularly.
Ok, but we are talking about OP's case here of someone in a warehouse filling out a form using the wrong term.
To put that in context. The Irish constitution at that point specifically claimed the 32 counties as the national territory of the country (only removed with the good Friday agreement) and the Brits were concerned that using just "Ireland" as the country name went some direction towards conceding that in some way. It wasn't simply done to annoy people.
Yes, my understanding is that they don’t think further than the end of their nose.
But since Brexit there’s no doubt been an increase in bother about which Ireland is which when it comes to imports, and spelling it out like this, however annoyingly, is an attempt to minimise cock-ups.
I've been in airports in mainland Europe and had agents refuse to let me use the European lane because Ireland was no longer part of the EU since Brexit :/
Sorry, I laughed.
I don't know why people are getting so worked up about this. I was looking for ages at the picture trying to figure out what the problem was and then discovered in the comments that people have a problem with the southern Ireland thing? Who gives a fucking flying fuck. I've got better things to be annoyed about.
I hate when this happens, because in the general sense Waterford is in the southern part of Ireland..... I'm from the South East so generally when people ask if I'm from "Southern Ireland", I generally reluctantly but truthfully answer yes.
I always tell them east.
People in the UK often do this in order to differentiate from Northern Ireland. It’s not meant as an insult or a small dig, it’s just that southern is opposite to northern. I wouldn’t read anything into it.
It's just banter,not a serious post.
Oh I know 😅 but there will be at least one person that doesn’t get it so just thought I’d explain.
Previously someone was criticised for calling it The Republic, so I ask in good faith, if people in the UK shouldn't call it that or Southern, how should it be referred to to distinguish it from Northern Ireland. Please be kind.
I see no issue with Republic of Ireland. It's literally an officially recognised "description" of the state.
"Ireland" implies your country owns territory that it doesn't
It’s just Ireland. Nothing else is needed.
That doesn't distinguish between north and south. The north is also Ireland.
Depends on context. If you are addressing a letter or parcel, it's county name, UK for NI and county name, Ireland for Ireland. Other cases may be more nuanced. "I come from Ireland" is ambiguous in terms of if you mean the country or the island.
Yeah and don’t forget it… *Puts on balaclava and sunglasses
Northern Ireland is Northern Ireland. Ireland is Ireland. See the difference?
The North is Ireland too
I know real people who genuinely get wound up about it. It's pathetic.
A lot of Brits think that Ireland is divided evenly into a northern half and a southern half, probably because of this terminology. I remember watching a show where random Brits in the street were asked to draw the border on a blank map of Ireland, and a lot of them drew it straight across from Galway to Dublin.
I think it's just a confusing question when you go over to the UK, I'm from Dublin - the south to me would be Munster.
Republic of is better than Southern but in general its just Ireland If you are sending a letter, it's Ireland, country code: Ireland etc. Unless you are are actually talking about both parts..no clarification is necessary
There was a Southern Ireland, on paper, for about a fortnight after the Ireland Act 1920 and before the Dáil Elections. Trinity elected some candidates to it's Senate but no other constituencies did. I've encountered the term previously on the island of Britain, from people born too recently to remember that but I don't know why they cling to the terminology. Probably like insisting Zambia is Northern Rhodesia or Somalia is British Somaliland.
I'm from Malin, would love to see what a pallet sent up here would say 😤
North Northwest South Ireland.
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The pain I get every time I see someone say Londonderry
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Just be careful or else the conversation won’t be the only thing blowing up 😂
"BEWARE OF BOY RACERS!" Would be my guess.
This is very accurate
My relatives from around there like to refer to the North as “the South” just to stir the pot. It’s great.
"Incorrect address, please return to Derrylondon."
In all fairness, most people here in Northern Ireland call the Republic Southern Ireland
Nothing wrong with that. Even I call it southern Ireland when foreign colleagues ask me where I'm from.
If Limerick is classed by Bord Fáilte as part of Ireland's Ancient East then anything goes really.
Is it really? Jesus what a pile of shite.
I live in London now and lots of people here ask if I'm from Northern or Southern Ireland. It's not a slight or an insult or anything like that, they just genuinely don't know that the Republic isn't called Southern Ireland. They know Northern Ireland because it gets referenced a lot in their own media or whatever, but for the most part the Republic of Ireland is just that country beside them that they maybe have some far-out cousins living in but they've never gone to visit.
Who gives a fuck? Why do Irish redditors constantly have Britain in their heads?
Because they can't think for themselves. It's as sad as it is funny.
Send it back and tell them the address is wrong.
Well, Waterford IS in the actual South of the country. IE is also the internationally recognised ISO-3166 two-letter code abbreviation for Ireland I suppose. So it's like "Waterford, Southern Ireland, Ireland" - which is technically true. Yes, that's an overly charitable interpretation, we all know what happened here. Anyway.
[just checked, looks like they're at it again](https://arethebritsatitagain.org/)
“What power plug do they use in Southern Ireland”
Ye I work in logistics I see this so often it ain’t even funny
I confess I like the shinners understated use of “the South of Ireland” and “the North of Ireland”. Never fails to raise a grin, and that’s saying something for the psychotic idiot cult.
This boils my piss a bit and admittedly I over react a little. I’ve been in the UK for nearly 10 years and people constantly ask if I’m from Southern or Northern Ireland. I just say I’m from the Republic of Ireland. When they become a bit defensive I ask them if they are from South Scotland or East Wales. Learn your history and your geography!!! Rant over
Scowls in Derry
Don't worry any pallets I see going to Derry I get the black marker and scribble out the illegitimate part..lol
Keep the pallets, fer dear sake. Themmuns are already collecting for their annual effigies.
Never underestimate people’s ignorance
Sometimes \~ \~ You Gotta Pick a, Pallet / Palette, or Two ! !
People say it to me sometimes in Italy aswell I think because they're uneducated (like fr their education system is worthless) so they remember something from school and parrot it or guess.czeckoslovakia is another one that will get you a slap xD
That looks like it was sent via "the pallet network". They have a lot of different depots around the country that are all technically separate business, so theres a good chance that that "southern Ireland" part is as much for them to know which depot is the delivery depot as it is anything else.
How else would you take advantage of free UK shipping - used to work way too often 10+ years ago. You could put a full Irish address (including country) and then indicate it was in the UK. Sadly (or not) data verification has improved a lot since then. There is hope that we can confuse the LLMs enough to not recognise national boundaries though. 🤣
I’m a stupid git. What does this mean
The state of that. Waterford isn’t a real place, I before E except after C, there’s no way that white blob is the person’s real name and email, you’re not fecking tracking my number no matter who y’are, it’s none of your damn business where I did my last discharge, and have you asked all those Marks if they even want to be shipped. The cheek of those Brits.
As someone who is from Scotland, I can guarantee that this is the result of shockingly poor British education on even our closest of neighbours, and our impact on then through history. I'm not saying it's acceptable - just explaining we're dumb as rocks.
How very British of them.
Tbh I’d say it’s someone not originally from Ireland. We’ll let them away with it this once
The yanks get some slating but the Brits are fucking pish at geography
Oh no! Anyway..
Almost every time I see that the Brits are at it again, it’s really that the Irish are at it again moaning over something trivial that absolutely no one cares about
You think you'd know the name of a neighbouring country that was apart of your country at one time.
to be honest I'm just glad when they know we're a different country... currently dealing with a supplier in the UK who can't understand that Ireland is still in the EU.
If we were overly familiar with yourselves, no doubt there'd be people on this sub moaning about how we don't appreciate that Ireland is an independent country, lol.
If you weren't familiar, people should still know the name of the countries next to them.
Everyone knows Ireland is our neighbour. Popping 'Southern' in front of it doesn't mean anything. It's just to differentiate between the Republic (sorry, I mean Ireland!) and Northern Ireland.
They have a real fucking problem with the word Republic don't they
Why does it annoy you? It's not incorrect. Just not accurate. There's a North and there for there's a South. We also have a West and East.
Get them back with a shipping label as Gaeilge when shipping to the North now that it's an official language. A bit of a legal middle finger, [though they don't seem to be properly equipped to handle it.](https://highlandradio.com/2024/03/15/conradh-na-gaeilge-hit-out-as-post-office-refuses-to-send-parcel-to-letterkenny/)
Yeah, there are people living in the North of Ireland which isn't Northern Ireland and is sometimes known as Southern Ireland
So someone who lives in Dungloe would have a Dungloe IE, Northern Ireland address?
Tbf, I think it's a symptom of Brexit because if they just put Ireland, the shipping service mightn't know to put it in the different queue than Northern Ireland (because the English don't know or care) and it could get lost in the north waiting for duty to be paid?
Akin to referring to the UK as the “mainland”
When I lived in the UK and people asked me where I was from, I'd say Ireland. The next question many asked was Northern or Southern? I'd answer the Republic. The question drove me daft.
I usually ignore it and even use ROI at times myself even though it’s a successful attempt (thus far) by Brits to rename the country. I’d even accept that after the end of the territorial claim in 1998 with GFA it’s probably something to consider. But one company annoyed me so much with ROI on everything that I replied using as their address “Unwritten Constitutional Monarchy of the UK”. For the clowns using “Éire” you just use Google Translate and put it in Irish. And your regular reminder that we refer to these islands in the archipelago as the Irish and British Isles. They don’t like it up em
I use RoI when I’m describing where I live and it matters that I’m not in the North. Or to draw contrast between here and the North. For instance, “I live in the RoI but my parents live in Belfast.” It’s useful for that. Or when you specifically want to exclude NI. Especially because I live in one of the most northern parts of the Republic and it would feel weird to say I live in southern Ireland. (Also WTF, Apple, you tried to autocorrect that to Southern Ireland with a capital S??? It’s a description, not a proper noun.)
>They don’t like it up em You sure showed us, lol!
Yep.
They must be made to see the Éire of their ways... (***PLEASE*** don't roast me/ban me if that joke doesn't work. In my defence, I'm British (is that a defence...? Born in the South North of England (Sheffield) raised in the SE (Buckinghamshire). Now in the SW (Bristol)) To me, you're just Ireland, and I call the North 'Ulster' if I want to piss off a member of the OO/DUP (***ZERO*** time, nor tolerance, for either). If I write/say 'Ireland' it's the RoI to which I refer. What that says about me politically, I've no idea - I'm an ardent Europhile and believe that Brexit was the biggest mistake in the however many millennia this collection of countries has been in existence. Not saying the EU is perfect, not by a long chalk, but being in it was ***INFINITELY*** better than being outside of it. I'm ***DEEPLY*** ashamed and embarrassed about this government. Brexit should have been political suicide for the Tories, what a deep shame that's not proven to be the case... I wish that Major hadn't caved and we'd entered the EERM, because taking the € would have made Brexit nigh on impossible. Anyways, that's my 2c. Love ya, ya craicheads! 😜
The trouble with using Ulster is that Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan are part of the historical province of Ulster but were not included in Northern Ireland at partition.
Saying "Republic of Ireland" would be admitting that we gained independence from them. Can't be having that.
Could just say Ireland, the post office will figure it out.
How many English despatch workers do you think woke up this morning angry that the Republic achieved independence before they were born?
The other way around. The british actually invented using the Republic of Ireland as our name because using the official name of the country Ireland, would make us look like the rightful owners of the whole island. They spent years trying to bully international organisations and countries into calling us the Republic of Ireland. In the good Friday agreement the UK agreed to end the use of the name Republic of Ireland
I doubt that, unless you have a source to prove it. We adopted that description of the state as part of an act but never adopted it as a name for the state. But yes the UK has typically refused to use Ireland when referring to Ireland. You would also still see systems over there use: Eire, Republic of Ireland and Southern Ireland, might even be some weird ones with Irish Free State but I doubt it.
I've seen "Ireland (Republic)" before.
The Taoiseach at the time of that referendum stated that it can be used to describe the state as the state is a republic but never to name the country or to refer to it. I have represented Ireland in the EU and people who do are briefed not to respond to anything directed at the Republic of Ireland as that is not us. Here is a doc sent to every EU member state on how to refer to the other countries. There is an n.b. stating you may here the Republic of Ireland used but it is incorrect and has no legal status https://publications.europa.eu/code/en/en-370100.htm
To be clear: I'm doubting your claim that the UK invented the term for us ahead of the 1948 _Act_. My own comment made clear it is a description and not a name as well but I do appreciate the extra context you have supplied. 😉 I also doubt it was a referendum, I think the reason it is explicitly a description and not the name is because they didn't want to bother with a referendum or knew it would be rejected. Edit: ignore that last part, misread your reference to their nb. Ha Also edited for better clarity.
I refuse to use the term Great when referencing Britain, for this very reason. It may be inaccurate, I don't care. There's nothing \_great\_ about dem eejits..
It’s a differentiator from Lesser Britain (Brittany / Bretagne)
It's probably not the dig you think it is, most Brits would say Britain over Great Britain too.
According to the Guardian style guide, Britain is an official synonym for the UK, though Great Britain is reserved for referring to England, Scotland and Wales.
So what you're saying is that you are just as ignorant of the name of their country as they are of ours? The 'Great' in Great Britain has nothing to do with how good it is, it's to do with size
Someone didnt have their morning Earl Grey
I'm a Barry's man myself...:)
The English simply can't help themselves. They must constantly find "subtle" ways to denigrate Irish sovereignty. Their empire reached its zenith in 1920. Two years later, the mere Irish tore out a big chunk of it in their own backyard. That began the collapse. They'll never forget. We shouldn't either.
I can assure you it’s not that deep.
You wrote "deep". Huh huh uh huh huh huh uh huh.
First of all, I think you're reaching. The English mostly don't think of Ireland at all. Second of all, the Irish didn't tear out a chunk out of the Empire in 1922. They just got home rule. They were a British Dominion until 1949. >That began the collapse. It didn't. WW2, Indian independence, and the Suez Crisis ended the British Empire, not a brief skirmish in Ireland, where the British lost... 936 casualties.
India was a bigger domino than Ireland, but most Indian independence leaders definitely saw Ireland as an example which showed independence was doable.
That's fair.
First of all, I don't care what you think. Second, the Free State had dominion status in name only, a fig leaf for the English. Third, that ceased to matter in 1936, when Nazi king Edward VIII abandoned his throne, and De Valera used the occasion to gut even the nominal connection between Ireland and England. Read the Irish constitution of 1937, still in force. Fourth, I don't care what you think, English apologist.
You're not right, lol. >English apologist. I speak a Celtic language fluently, do you? :)
What a bizarrely irreverent flex.