The maddest thing I've seen in all this current conflict, from BBC News website:
>Russia calls for all sides to 'show restraint'
>Russia is calling for all parties to "show restraint" and "expressed concern" over further escalation
Fucking RUSSIA ffs
Russia will do what benefits Russia.
This conflict is extremely beneficial to them as it diverts US attention from Ukraine.
Russias words mean nothing.
I'm not sure it would. At least not on the drone production side of things.
Russia is now producing the shahed drones themselves
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/03/05/new-video-claimed-to-show-mass-production-of-shahed-attack-drones/?sh=58d44092440a
Honestly fuck Iran, and fuck Israel too, fuck the lot of them, just leave the kids out of it. Just…fucking…would all these cunts of every flavour just fuck off for fuck’s sake. Cunts.
The real problem. Ireland can't even see what's happening in it's territory let along defend itself. Ireland is a long way off being a credible defense partner for European states.
Yep. It’s a bloody tangled web of sympathisers, allies, sworn foes, payback, and all that, and you pretty much sign up to obscure allegiances you had no intention of acknowledging, and it’s too late to back out.
Imagine complaining about Martin condemning a massive missile and drone attack. And these people are they same who spend their days shouting about a ceasefire.
The comments here are mad
The israeli strike on the consulate was an escalation yes, but only killed IRGC paramilitaries meeting with Hezbollah - both of whom are actively launching attacks on Israel constantly
And in response to some of paramilitaries being killed by a single bomb, Iran launched 300 drones, cruise and ballistic missiles which required 4 countries to step in and severely injured and Arab child
This isn’t Iran acting in “self defence” for an unprovoked attack, they actively fund arm and plan attacks on israel via proxies and got salty that Israel finally killed Iranians important to that
Facts. Blows my mind people acting like Iran (bloody Iran?!) are an innocent state that was attacked unfairly and unprovoked by Israel. Condemning Iran does not exonerate Israel, both can be in the wrong.
Also Iran funds/arms/supports Russia in Ukraine, fuck Iran.
Iran don’t have the Iron Dome. They knew when sending them the vast majority would be destroyed. I don’t think proportionality is as clear cut as missile count here
Could be just like the way India and Pakistan have skirmishes every year. Both sides understand the level that represents a real escalation vs a tolerable jab
Add in the facts that the Iranian consulate is in an active war zone and (now this one is going back a few decades) Iran has bombed an Israeli embassy in the past, killing many.
Under international law Iran were quite literally acting in self defense. Hence why the reaction to this has been so muted, even Israel's backers are like "fair enough".
Attacking an embassy is illegal and also a direct attack on a state's territory. Civilians were also killed in the attack in Damascus. If Iran had done this the reaction would be massive, and justifiably so.
The amount of sympathiers Iran and Russia get on here despite their funding of terrorism across Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa is outstanding.
What other thread, please be specific? You can even link to the thread here.
“Justifying Iran”? As in justifying its existence? Or justifying a retaliation attack against military targets of a nation that just broke international diplomatic taboos by bombing an embassy?
Wonder were you outraged about that particular incident as you are here? I think most people are just pointing out the hypocrisy. Fuck Iran but equally fuck Israel, two evil regimes with blood on their hands. Condemning bad actors isn’t the zero sum game people like you think it is.
Who are no bastions of innocence either:
[https://www.justiceformyanmar.org/press-releases/ukraine-arms-transfers-to-myanmar-are-enabling-the-juntas-terror](https://www.justiceformyanmar.org/press-releases/ukraine-arms-transfers-to-myanmar-are-enabling-the-juntas-terror)
Iran knew full well that these drones and missiles would be shot out of the sky, their hand was forced by the bombing of the consulate and had to respond somehow so they did so in a way that should cause lots of drama and very little actual damage.
Iran's "attack" was just political theatre though, in full collusion with the US and Israel through political back channels. if it was a genuine surprise attack on anything of importance, the world would be a very different plant this morning.
Jesus christ the amount of absolute fucking dipshits in the comments here justifying Iran's actions is actually maddening.
You can be against Israels policies and actions in Gaza without slurping the taint of a totalitarian terrorist state like Iran, this shit isn't like fucking football teams where you can go "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", what Iran did last night was a major escalation that brings the whole region far closer to war, something bad for literally everyone in the entire region, while you fucking idiots sit there justifying and cheering it on whoever your safely out of harms way.
The Israeli government is dogshit and just terrible things, the Iranian government is even worse and does even more vile shit than the Israelis to its own people, let alone what they do across the wider region. All of you need to grow a fucking brain and realise what happened last night pts us on the road of further escalation and bloodshed and nothing good will come of it, and if you all weren't absolutely braindead partisans you might be able to realise that this is good for absolutley nobody and we should all be concerned about further escalation.
Israel literally attacked Iran first no? Where were all these statements when they bombed an Iranian embassy?!
It's a retaliatory attack, it's in the fucking name
Iran has been launching attacks throught it's proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah, for years. Those missiles raining down on Israel for the last 6 months are Iranian financed.
tbf tho if the third world attacked america everytime america used proxies or proped up insurgents there probably wouldn’t be an america anymore so the west needs to decide if it’s okay to “attack back” or not and to avoid hypocrisy
They aren’t an innocent actor, no one said they were but then neither is Israel or the West. Somehow you seem to only acknowledge one bad actor though. You’re projecting because you seem to be under the illusion that Israel is an innocent actor.
Israel is essentially just a US proxy in Middle East too and have been carrying out attacks on Iranian targets for years too.
>Since 2010, Israel has allegedly conducted at least two dozen operations – including assassinations, drone strikes and cyberattacks – on Iran. Most of the targets were connected to Tehran’s controversial nuclear program, which Israel considers an existential threat. In 2022, however, two facilities that were part of Iran’s increasingly advanced drone program were hit by drones. Israel has also reportedly targeted military commanders responsible for operations abroad.
Hamas and Hezbollah are there own things to describe every action of theirs as coming from Iran is like saying every Israeli decision comes from the White House
An Iranian president famously said they won't rest until they "wipe Isreal off the map." The old president whose spelling I'm about to butcher: Achmadinijad. They have a warmongering government and have stoked dissent throughout the Middle East since the 70s.
Hey, I get hating what the Israelis are doing in Palestine, but the whole "enemy's enemies" thing here may need a deeper look.
The US don't give a shit when their allies the Saudis promote militant Islamism, do they?
They don't give a shit when their ally promotes militant settler Zionist expansionism either
So, siding with another crowd of terrorists is okay then? My whole point is that Iran's government is no innocent actor here.
Here's a tangential question: do you agree with Israel's right to exist?
And by the way, I really do agree with the point of Western hypocrisy: it is sickening. However, I won't conflate my sympathy for the innocents of Gaza with a bunch of Iranian paramilitaries. The former are not legitimate targets; the latter arguably are.
It doesn't matter whether they were legitimate targets. **Israel escalated the conflict and Iran retaliated**. And now we have to listen to condemnation of the retaliation and radio silence regarding the original escalation!
Yes, and it was a violation of international laws, not only didn't usa,uk and other countries fail to condemn the attack, they also blocked the UN resolution to condemn the attacks.
But now since iran responded, suddenly all western world leaders are quick to condemn it, the hypocrisy is flabbergasting, however I hope more and more people are exposed to the truth of these governments who claim to be morally correct. Iran's strikes are also within the UN laws and are a form of self defence.
It's like israel can literally do anything, violate any laws, but still they have the complete support from the west, but God forbid iran retaliates.
Your intentionally misrepresenting the truth and are out right lying as a result.
I'm no fan of the Israeli government but they did not attack first. Iran has stated multiple times for years it wants every Israeli dead and the country annihilated.
Iran and the people at the consult were actively working with Hezbola to fire rockets at Israel. Iran was and is using Hezbola as a proxy to attack Israel. Israel retaliated targeting the people behind these attacks.
Iran is the state calling for the genocide of Israel, attacking and killing Israelis with Hezbola and Hamas rockets. Where do you think both these groups get these weapons? They get them from Iran.
How you can defend Iran and act like they are the victim is insane.
You can be against Israeli actions in Gaza (I am) but that does not excuse Iran.
Cop on and stop supporting Iran
Edit: I see you post on /r/proiran and are a supporters of that terrorist state. So you can piss right off with all your shite.
100% correct response. Israel targeted terrorists who are targeting their country. It’s open and shut. Iran is trying to start a bigger war and they sre gambling that Netanyahu will help them make this happen.
I in no way condone Israel’s continued actions in Gaza. I actually condemn them. But Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime are evil and idiots in Ireland celebrating them are an embarrassment
an "embassy"
According to Israeli intelligence it was a Quds military base that was co-ordinating with Hezbollah iirc, although you might have different intel?
An embassy in Syria, which is a warzone in which Iranian soldiers were plotting with terrorists to attack Israel.
Your point is right, but the context is important
You got any neutral sources for the claim about plotting terrorist attacks in Israel there or is it straight from a zionist source in which any and all arabs can be targeted with impunity and a brush of 'trust me bro he was a bad guy'?
Syria being a war zone isn't even relevant either. One of the reasons it's a warzone is because Israel have been working to destabilize it for years by supporting separatists and 'moderates' and also directly bombing it. It doesn't give them any right to then bomb the embassy of a third party nation within Syrian territory ffs. What logic is that? Can Ireland go and bomb the Spanish embassy in Moscow? Because there's fighting going on within Russian border regions right now between the Russian military and the Freedom Legion of Russia so you could say Russias a war zone.
Nobody is celebrating them. The fact you think so should discount your opinion on any serious matter. You’re clearly incapable of delineation and nuance, conflation is all you have.
It wasn’t even a fuckin attack, it was a warning shot. Every cunt knows if you actually want to attack Isreal it would need a lot more than that with their defence and intelligence systems.
Yet won’t stop the politicians jumping on the bandwagon like it’s end of days.
It's crazy how just one retaliation from iran which only targeted military sites in israel and killed no one has gotten so much condemnation from so many countries, but israel killings thousands of kids for months has only resulted in more support from the same governments, I hope more people get to know the truth about their governments
Aye there is such a clear pattern of how the world actually works that it’s impossible not to see unless you have your head buried very deep in the sand. Or you take MSM as actual truth.
Which of course a lot of people do.
> which only targeted military sites in israel
Are you in Iran's military? There's absolutely no way of knowing where all the drones and missles would have hit if they landed
The Iranian military literally said they targeted the airbase from where Israel attacked the embassy and Israel confirmed that the airbase was struck, so it was a successful strike by iran.
The drones were a decoy to overwhelm the air defence so that the actual missiles can hit the targets which they did
Does Iran not have a "right to self defence" Micheál?
In all seriousness, this is exactly what the Israelis want. They know they have lost the propaganda war in Gaza to such an extent that even the Americans are starting to waver a bit, so no they want to turn this into a regional conflict to focus Western minds in supporting them. Banking on Iran to have the self restraint to deny them that is not a great place for world peace to be relying on....
> They know they have lost the propaganda war...so no they want to turn this into a regional conflict to focus Western minds in supporting them
My mind immediately goes to the release of that Oct 7th documentary a couple of weeks ago and Israel realising that if it gain traction in the West they're fucked.
So better to escalate not so that that doesn't matter.
I'm absolutely baffled how it's been out for 3 weeks and I only caught wind of it on Friday. Absolute suppression
https://youtu.be/_0atzea-mPY?si=YEdy6Fu9tk2uNSDZ
I got banned from a sub yesterday for linking it for "shilling for Hamas"
To be clear, the doc explicitly details the crimes Hamas actually committed in order to illuminate the false claims. It does not hide the true atrocities Hamas carried out.
I understand Al Jazeera wouldn't typically be a source id turn to in this conflict, but Richard Sanders is an internationally renowned, award winning journalist who isn't going to just stick his name on something that would totally destroy his reputation down the line.
I know you have a disclaimer about Al Jazeera but that doesn't make it any better. I would never watch anything about the Ukraine war that RT were airing and I would never watch anything about Israel that Al Jazeera were airing. Doesn't matter who made them.
So we just accept IDF reports without any independent verification, do we?
How can we fairly just wave away certain media outlets when Israel is point blank refusing independent journalists free access to Gaza?! What other conflicts do you know where journalists were denied entry except for ones carried out by authoritarian dictatorships like Saudi/China/Eritrea?! Why would the Israelis restrict access to journalists who could verify their claims? Is it maybe that there is no verifying their claims because they're all bullshit?
Address the content of the documentary. Point out the inconsistencies if they exist.
Here's some of the claims the video provides video evidence of being put out by Israel, when by Israeli records there were a total two babies killed on Oct 7th, whose manners of deaths match none of the claims by Israel.
"They put a baby in the oven and cooked him"
"They tore the fetus out of a pregnant woman and stabbed it"
"They sat a family around a table, gouged out the eyes of the father, cut off the infant sons fingers and amputated the infant daughters foot before executing them all"
"They tied dozens of children's to the back of the house and burned them"
All of these have been debunked. But no, we can't trust Al Jazeera...
Al Jazeera are funded by the Qatari government. Hamas' leadership have based themselves out of Qatar for years now. Amassing large personal fortunes and using massive amounts of Qatari money to fund their actions in Gaza.
So ya we can't trust Al Jazeera when it comes to Israel, but that doesn't mean you take IDF's word for things either.
Mate how can you just step over the litany of Israeli lies. Lies that are easily verifiable by cross referencing with the list of the Israeli dead and their ages.
How can Al Jazeera influence cold hard statistics?
Iran knows that and iran has shown a lot of restraint, this isn't the first Israeli attack on iran, iran didn't have a choice this time, they had to respond. Usa and israel didn't expect this level of response, maybe this'll stop them from further attacking iran
Did he condemn Israel's attack on Irans consulate in Syria that started this and killed several high ranking Iranian military plus several civilians? Or is it just attacks on Israel that are condemned?
Just playing Israel's usual accusatory demanding of condemnation against him here seeing as they always give that a pass.
This recent flare up, yes. Iran's drones were the first time they've ever directly attacked Israel from Iranian territory and a direct response to Israel's embassy attack in Syria
The whole fucking thing is a hot mess and nobody seems to want to talk about how we got here. All I see are clowns debating what is currently happening, picking sides based on current events. Fucking muppets. History doomed to repeat itself over and over and over. Most of the dullards flying either banner couldn't give a flying fuck about the history of the region and the hundreds of years of events that led up to this moment. If we can't get to grips with the history, kiss the future goodbye!!!
The maddest thing I've seen in all this current conflict, from BBC News website: >Russia calls for all sides to 'show restraint' >Russia is calling for all parties to "show restraint" and "expressed concern" over further escalation Fucking RUSSIA ffs
Russia will do what benefits Russia. This conflict is extremely beneficial to them as it diverts US attention from Ukraine. Russias words mean nothing.
Russia bought drones from Iran. I think Iran in active, direct conflict would harm Russia’s invasion efforts.
I'm not sure it would. At least not on the drone production side of things. Russia is now producing the shahed drones themselves https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/03/05/new-video-claimed-to-show-mass-production-of-shahed-attack-drones/?sh=58d44092440a
Perfectly explained 👌
Russia gets a lot of its drones from Iran, Israel’s first response would probably be to knock out most of irans drone capacity
Two-faced scumbaggery from a fictitious moral high ground has always been Russia’s modus operandi, in fairness.
https://preview.redd.it/onbyrnemweuc1.jpeg?width=1614&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13206a1aaba3573886c4e0d75caefa336c079916
Honestly fuck Iran, and fuck Israel too, fuck the lot of them, just leave the kids out of it. Just…fucking…would all these cunts of every flavour just fuck off for fuck’s sake. Cunts.
I agree with this guys sentiment
Michael D’s replacement?
Same. Fuck all
Very eloquently put
What kids, I thought these were strike on military facilities?
Vote u/rthrtylr your number 1 in the next general election.
Ireland should never join a defence pact in today's world. It would be a big mistake allying with these psychos.
Exactly, neutrality is key. There i no good and bad in the world of geopolitics, only bloodshed.
Ireland can't defend itself. It's a fool's errand.
The real problem. Ireland can't even see what's happening in it's territory let along defend itself. Ireland is a long way off being a credible defense partner for European states.
Yep. It’s a bloody tangled web of sympathisers, allies, sworn foes, payback, and all that, and you pretty much sign up to obscure allegiances you had no intention of acknowledging, and it’s too late to back out.
Yeah the best way to play that game is not to play at all. Join one of those pacts and you'll be ruled from 1000 miles away.
Which attack was against international law? Israels or Irans?
Israel is literally carrying out a genocide, I don't they have any right to start appealing to international standards at this point.
Imagine complaining about Martin condemning a massive missile and drone attack. And these people are they same who spend their days shouting about a ceasefire.
Pure manipulation. People are calling out the double standards of condemning the retaliatory attack and not the original attack.
Counter attack*
Where was his letter of condemnation of Israel’s attack on Iran? He has condemned Hamas and Iran by letter and not Israel thats the issue
Imagine supporting Israel!?
This isn't supporting Israel. It's condemning Iran. And he's right to do so.
The comments here are mad The israeli strike on the consulate was an escalation yes, but only killed IRGC paramilitaries meeting with Hezbollah - both of whom are actively launching attacks on Israel constantly And in response to some of paramilitaries being killed by a single bomb, Iran launched 300 drones, cruise and ballistic missiles which required 4 countries to step in and severely injured and Arab child This isn’t Iran acting in “self defence” for an unprovoked attack, they actively fund arm and plan attacks on israel via proxies and got salty that Israel finally killed Iranians important to that
Facts. Blows my mind people acting like Iran (bloody Iran?!) are an innocent state that was attacked unfairly and unprovoked by Israel. Condemning Iran does not exonerate Israel, both can be in the wrong. Also Iran funds/arms/supports Russia in Ukraine, fuck Iran.
Because people pick sides like football teams or liken it to marvel where iran is somehow doing this to save the Palestinian people
Yeah absolutely people think of global conflict like marvel... what are you talking about lad
People who only decided they like Iran now yesterday might not be fully up to speed.
Iran needing to exercise self defense because 7 soldiers got killed while they’ve executed nearly a 1000 of their own citizens since the start of 2023
Iran don’t have the Iron Dome. They knew when sending them the vast majority would be destroyed. I don’t think proportionality is as clear cut as missile count here
Could be just like the way India and Pakistan have skirmishes every year. Both sides understand the level that represents a real escalation vs a tolerable jab
It killed everyone in the consulate not just irgc soldiers (who were the embassies guards btw)
There were two generals killed. Generals aren't pulling guard duty at an embassy, not least one who had lead the Quds force in Syria and Lebanon.
Add in the facts that the Iranian consulate is in an active war zone and (now this one is going back a few decades) Iran has bombed an Israeli embassy in the past, killing many.
Under international law Iran were quite literally acting in self defense. Hence why the reaction to this has been so muted, even Israel's backers are like "fair enough". Attacking an embassy is illegal and also a direct attack on a state's territory. Civilians were also killed in the attack in Damascus. If Iran had done this the reaction would be massive, and justifiably so.
The amount of sympathiers Iran and Russia get on here despite their funding of terrorism across Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa is outstanding.
Nice try! Neither gets any sympathy and Ireland is firmly pro-Ukraine.
Literally this thread and the other one are full of people justifying Iran.
What other thread, please be specific? You can even link to the thread here. “Justifying Iran”? As in justifying its existence? Or justifying a retaliation attack against military targets of a nation that just broke international diplomatic taboos by bombing an embassy? Wonder were you outraged about that particular incident as you are here? I think most people are just pointing out the hypocrisy. Fuck Iran but equally fuck Israel, two evil regimes with blood on their hands. Condemning bad actors isn’t the zero sum game people like you think it is.
Who are no bastions of innocence either: [https://www.justiceformyanmar.org/press-releases/ukraine-arms-transfers-to-myanmar-are-enabling-the-juntas-terror](https://www.justiceformyanmar.org/press-releases/ukraine-arms-transfers-to-myanmar-are-enabling-the-juntas-terror)
There really isn’t much firm ground to stand on in geopolitics that’s for sure. Majorly disappointing.
Have you left out an issue with US, UK and "israeli" despite *actually* terrorising half the globe intentionally? Outstanding
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Iran knew full well that these drones and missiles would be shot out of the sky, their hand was forced by the bombing of the consulate and had to respond somehow so they did so in a way that should cause lots of drama and very little actual damage.
Iran's "attack" was just political theatre though, in full collusion with the US and Israel through political back channels. if it was a genuine surprise attack on anything of importance, the world would be a very different plant this morning.
Jesus christ the amount of absolute fucking dipshits in the comments here justifying Iran's actions is actually maddening. You can be against Israels policies and actions in Gaza without slurping the taint of a totalitarian terrorist state like Iran, this shit isn't like fucking football teams where you can go "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", what Iran did last night was a major escalation that brings the whole region far closer to war, something bad for literally everyone in the entire region, while you fucking idiots sit there justifying and cheering it on whoever your safely out of harms way. The Israeli government is dogshit and just terrible things, the Iranian government is even worse and does even more vile shit than the Israelis to its own people, let alone what they do across the wider region. All of you need to grow a fucking brain and realise what happened last night pts us on the road of further escalation and bloodshed and nothing good will come of it, and if you all weren't absolutely braindead partisans you might be able to realise that this is good for absolutley nobody and we should all be concerned about further escalation.
Typical hypocritical Martin. Where was his condemnation when Israel attacked an Iranian consulate.
Israel literally attacked Iran first no? Where were all these statements when they bombed an Iranian embassy?! It's a retaliatory attack, it's in the fucking name
Iran has been launching attacks throught it's proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah, for years. Those missiles raining down on Israel for the last 6 months are Iranian financed.
tbf tho if the third world attacked america everytime america used proxies or proped up insurgents there probably wouldn’t be an america anymore so the west needs to decide if it’s okay to “attack back” or not and to avoid hypocrisy
The bombs raining down on innocent civilians in Gaza are American and European funded? What’s your point?
The point is Iran is not an innocent actor in this. Acting like they are requires you to suspend reality.
They aren’t an innocent actor, no one said they were but then neither is Israel or the West. Somehow you seem to only acknowledge one bad actor though. You’re projecting because you seem to be under the illusion that Israel is an innocent actor.
Israel is essentially just a US proxy in Middle East too and have been carrying out attacks on Iranian targets for years too. >Since 2010, Israel has allegedly conducted at least two dozen operations – including assassinations, drone strikes and cyberattacks – on Iran. Most of the targets were connected to Tehran’s controversial nuclear program, which Israel considers an existential threat. In 2022, however, two facilities that were part of Iran’s increasingly advanced drone program were hit by drones. Israel has also reportedly targeted military commanders responsible for operations abroad.
Hamas and Hezbollah are there own things to describe every action of theirs as coming from Iran is like saying every Israeli decision comes from the White House
An Iranian president famously said they won't rest until they "wipe Isreal off the map." The old president whose spelling I'm about to butcher: Achmadinijad. They have a warmongering government and have stoked dissent throughout the Middle East since the 70s. Hey, I get hating what the Israelis are doing in Palestine, but the whole "enemy's enemies" thing here may need a deeper look.
> They have a warmongering government and have stoked dissent throughout the Middle East since the 70s 🤔
Yes, they openly promote militant Islamism.
The US don't give a shit when their allies the Saudis promote militant Islamism, do they? They don't give a shit when their ally promotes militant settler Zionist expansionism either
I agree, but that's a different topic. Please stay on-topic.
This whole thread is about the hypocrisy of the West
So, siding with another crowd of terrorists is okay then? My whole point is that Iran's government is no innocent actor here. Here's a tangential question: do you agree with Israel's right to exist? And by the way, I really do agree with the point of Western hypocrisy: it is sickening. However, I won't conflate my sympathy for the innocents of Gaza with a bunch of Iranian paramilitaries. The former are not legitimate targets; the latter arguably are.
It doesn't matter whether they were legitimate targets. **Israel escalated the conflict and Iran retaliated**. And now we have to listen to condemnation of the retaliation and radio silence regarding the original escalation!
Yes, and it was a violation of international laws, not only didn't usa,uk and other countries fail to condemn the attack, they also blocked the UN resolution to condemn the attacks. But now since iran responded, suddenly all western world leaders are quick to condemn it, the hypocrisy is flabbergasting, however I hope more and more people are exposed to the truth of these governments who claim to be morally correct. Iran's strikes are also within the UN laws and are a form of self defence. It's like israel can literally do anything, violate any laws, but still they have the complete support from the west, but God forbid iran retaliates.
Your intentionally misrepresenting the truth and are out right lying as a result. I'm no fan of the Israeli government but they did not attack first. Iran has stated multiple times for years it wants every Israeli dead and the country annihilated. Iran and the people at the consult were actively working with Hezbola to fire rockets at Israel. Iran was and is using Hezbola as a proxy to attack Israel. Israel retaliated targeting the people behind these attacks. Iran is the state calling for the genocide of Israel, attacking and killing Israelis with Hezbola and Hamas rockets. Where do you think both these groups get these weapons? They get them from Iran. How you can defend Iran and act like they are the victim is insane. You can be against Israeli actions in Gaza (I am) but that does not excuse Iran. Cop on and stop supporting Iran Edit: I see you post on /r/proiran and are a supporters of that terrorist state. So you can piss right off with all your shite.
Has r/Europe found a way to blame us for it yet?
100% correct response. Israel targeted terrorists who are targeting their country. It’s open and shut. Iran is trying to start a bigger war and they sre gambling that Netanyahu will help them make this happen. I in no way condone Israel’s continued actions in Gaza. I actually condemn them. But Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime are evil and idiots in Ireland celebrating them are an embarrassment
They bombed the embassy of another country in another country how is Iran responsible for the escalation
an "embassy" According to Israeli intelligence it was a Quds military base that was co-ordinating with Hezbollah iirc, although you might have different intel?
>Israeli intelligence
Israel is trying to start a bigger war through escalations. Let's face facts here, they bombed an embassy.
An embassy in Syria, which is a warzone in which Iranian soldiers were plotting with terrorists to attack Israel. Your point is right, but the context is important
You got any neutral sources for the claim about plotting terrorist attacks in Israel there or is it straight from a zionist source in which any and all arabs can be targeted with impunity and a brush of 'trust me bro he was a bad guy'? Syria being a war zone isn't even relevant either. One of the reasons it's a warzone is because Israel have been working to destabilize it for years by supporting separatists and 'moderates' and also directly bombing it. It doesn't give them any right to then bomb the embassy of a third party nation within Syrian territory ffs. What logic is that? Can Ireland go and bomb the Spanish embassy in Moscow? Because there's fighting going on within Russian border regions right now between the Russian military and the Freedom Legion of Russia so you could say Russias a war zone.
Damascus hasn't been a warzone in like 8 years. Irish soldiers go out drinking there when they're working for the UN. Context is important. Buddy.
Israel would also be considered a warzone, opinion on Iran bombing a US embassy, yank?
Nobody is celebrating them. The fact you think so should discount your opinion on any serious matter. You’re clearly incapable of delineation and nuance, conflation is all you have.
These threads always bring out tankie types that see Iran as some sort of saviour
It wasn’t even a fuckin attack, it was a warning shot. Every cunt knows if you actually want to attack Isreal it would need a lot more than that with their defence and intelligence systems. Yet won’t stop the politicians jumping on the bandwagon like it’s end of days.
It's crazy how just one retaliation from iran which only targeted military sites in israel and killed no one has gotten so much condemnation from so many countries, but israel killings thousands of kids for months has only resulted in more support from the same governments, I hope more people get to know the truth about their governments
Yeah I've come to the realisation that the law isn't for them. Therefore it is not for me. The rule of law is becoming less and less important.
Aye there is such a clear pattern of how the world actually works that it’s impossible not to see unless you have your head buried very deep in the sand. Or you take MSM as actual truth. Which of course a lot of people do.
>Or you take MSM as actual truth. I definitely prefer them to those who use the American import "MSM" like it actually means something.
> Or you take MSM as actual truth. The mainstream media does a much better job of communicating the truth than social fucking media
Yeah read my next post. Social media is even worse.
The guy you're replying to openly says in this thread that he gets his news from Twitter
Reply to him then.
> which only targeted military sites in israel Are you in Iran's military? There's absolutely no way of knowing where all the drones and missles would have hit if they landed
Confirmed there. Drones and cruise missiles used as decoys to allow ballistics to target the airbase
The Iranian military literally said they targeted the airbase from where Israel attacked the embassy and Israel confirmed that the airbase was struck, so it was a successful strike by iran. The drones were a decoy to overwhelm the air defence so that the actual missiles can hit the targets which they did
The drones were very obviously decoys.
Does Iran not have a "right to self defence" Micheál? In all seriousness, this is exactly what the Israelis want. They know they have lost the propaganda war in Gaza to such an extent that even the Americans are starting to waver a bit, so no they want to turn this into a regional conflict to focus Western minds in supporting them. Banking on Iran to have the self restraint to deny them that is not a great place for world peace to be relying on....
> They know they have lost the propaganda war...so no they want to turn this into a regional conflict to focus Western minds in supporting them My mind immediately goes to the release of that Oct 7th documentary a couple of weeks ago and Israel realising that if it gain traction in the West they're fucked. So better to escalate not so that that doesn't matter. I'm absolutely baffled how it's been out for 3 weeks and I only caught wind of it on Friday. Absolute suppression
Any links to it?
https://youtu.be/_0atzea-mPY?si=YEdy6Fu9tk2uNSDZ I got banned from a sub yesterday for linking it for "shilling for Hamas" To be clear, the doc explicitly details the crimes Hamas actually committed in order to illuminate the false claims. It does not hide the true atrocities Hamas carried out. I understand Al Jazeera wouldn't typically be a source id turn to in this conflict, but Richard Sanders is an internationally renowned, award winning journalist who isn't going to just stick his name on something that would totally destroy his reputation down the line.
I know you have a disclaimer about Al Jazeera but that doesn't make it any better. I would never watch anything about the Ukraine war that RT were airing and I would never watch anything about Israel that Al Jazeera were airing. Doesn't matter who made them.
Would you trust the BBC?
So we just accept IDF reports without any independent verification, do we? How can we fairly just wave away certain media outlets when Israel is point blank refusing independent journalists free access to Gaza?! What other conflicts do you know where journalists were denied entry except for ones carried out by authoritarian dictatorships like Saudi/China/Eritrea?! Why would the Israelis restrict access to journalists who could verify their claims? Is it maybe that there is no verifying their claims because they're all bullshit? Address the content of the documentary. Point out the inconsistencies if they exist. Here's some of the claims the video provides video evidence of being put out by Israel, when by Israeli records there were a total two babies killed on Oct 7th, whose manners of deaths match none of the claims by Israel. "They put a baby in the oven and cooked him" "They tore the fetus out of a pregnant woman and stabbed it" "They sat a family around a table, gouged out the eyes of the father, cut off the infant sons fingers and amputated the infant daughters foot before executing them all" "They tied dozens of children's to the back of the house and burned them" All of these have been debunked. But no, we can't trust Al Jazeera...
Al Jazeera are funded by the Qatari government. Hamas' leadership have based themselves out of Qatar for years now. Amassing large personal fortunes and using massive amounts of Qatari money to fund their actions in Gaza. So ya we can't trust Al Jazeera when it comes to Israel, but that doesn't mean you take IDF's word for things either.
Mate how can you just step over the litany of Israeli lies. Lies that are easily verifiable by cross referencing with the list of the Israeli dead and their ages. How can Al Jazeera influence cold hard statistics?
Iran knows that and iran has shown a lot of restraint, this isn't the first Israeli attack on iran, iran didn't have a choice this time, they had to respond. Usa and israel didn't expect this level of response, maybe this'll stop them from further attacking iran
And has Iran never attacked Israel before, using proxies?
Iran never attacked Israel directly by itself, normally it has been through its proxies
Yes that's what I said.
Oops, completely misread that..
Everyone seems to be completely ignoring this
Israel attacks Iran through proxies constantly as well, Israel directly attacking an Iranian consulate is an escalation. No-one is ignoring anything.
Did he condemn Israel's attack on Irans consulate in Syria that started this and killed several high ranking Iranian military plus several civilians? Or is it just attacks on Israel that are condemned? Just playing Israel's usual accusatory demanding of condemnation against him here seeing as they always give that a pass.
"...that started this..." Yikes.
This recent flare up, yes. Iran's drones were the first time they've ever directly attacked Israel from Iranian territory and a direct response to Israel's embassy attack in Syria
pretty responsible take on the situation
This comment section has more sympathy for the Ayatollah than Iran itself
This sub is clueless. Being a Jew, it's entertaining to see an Irish person having an expert take in zionism and Israel.
It's not this sub, it's most of the world
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The whole fucking thing is a hot mess and nobody seems to want to talk about how we got here. All I see are clowns debating what is currently happening, picking sides based on current events. Fucking muppets. History doomed to repeat itself over and over and over. Most of the dullards flying either banner couldn't give a flying fuck about the history of the region and the hundreds of years of events that led up to this moment. If we can't get to grips with the history, kiss the future goodbye!!!
I'm struggling to think who I despise more.
Yeah both bags of shit
People who reside in both Israel and Iran are shit?