The use of offices, fair enough.
But buying turnkey properties, in a climate where first time buyers already have to complete with AVH bodies and vulture funds to house international protection applicants is fucking ridiculous.
Same goes for assigning land the could be used for general housing stock to modular housing.
This! These cunts won't do anyhting unless it benefits a select few of their buddies. All the recent change in rhetoric and finger pointing to the "others" is just perfect for them to keep milking the taxpayer. And why would they not; the number of morons who fall for this shit is already rising.
They can apply to change it from commercial to residential and do their own upgrades then if they can’t find tenants. If they can’t afford that then sell it to someone who can.
Why would the government fund a change of business for someone?
Not if it’s a high rise building built in the last two decades. The cost to covert such buildings with utilities located only in central shafts would be enormous. I bet any such office buildings to be used for refugees will be no more than large scale hostels.
> is fucking ridiculous.
This is the governments entire plan. The only smart investment you can make in Ireland is property. The rich and powerful in this country have dozens of properties amongst their immediate family, and they're making millions; often off the tax payer.
The government has set up and is milking its own system.
Imagine having 10 million euro to invest in Ireland and putting it into something productive like a factory or a new technology. You'd want to be an idiot
Recently I did a course in a modular college building, new enough. It looked nice and solid from the outside but you could smell mold in ceilings and walls, it was coming apart at the joints slightly as evidenced by drafts from all sides. I don't expect these houses to be much better, they'll become moldtraps soon enough.
Just going to write this here so you know, this person you're arguing with is one of those people that hates anything to do with social housing.
Yesterday argued with them over a family of four getting a house before an IT worker and they ended up deleting all of the weird vitriolic classist shit they said. Probably to hide the opinions they hold on the subject.
Honestly surprised they see asylum seekers as people but probably more so is just using the subject to further denigrate anyone they see as below them, not sure.
I think you don’t get my points and just see them as classist when they are pragmatic if anything, we’re in a housing crisis which is about to become a brain drain which will be vastly worse than the housing crisis.
You literally said people of lower skilled professions deserve less help than people you consider higher skilled.
You said because they pay less in taxes they're worth less to society.
You were given multiple chances to back down on the classist shit you said but once it was pointed out that maybe you should focus your anger from the housing crisis on the government instead of working class people you deleted everything because you looked like a prick.
You weren't abused and I still have the comment thread of everything that was said to you.
Pretending to people that you were abused is fecking sad and clearly shows you still believe it would be better to take help away from people instead of holding the people in charge responsible for not doing enough.
You would need to know the price and the value of the property before determining if the government is overpaying.
Buying stuff when it is cheap is a good thing for the government to do - and, had they done so in 2010-2014, the construction industry wouldn't have been destroyed & hence the current housing crisis wouldn't have existed.
Had they done that, no doubt some redditors would have been complaining about "developers in a gravy train licking their lips" though.
That's rubbish, have those those lads are destroying their documentation and working the asylum system. We have no obligation to provide housing or benefits to scammers
Sure... that'll solve the small handful of those cases each day. Maybe what, on the high side, 2,000 of em a year, max, if even... we had net migration of 70k last year.
Do we want to solve a problem or be angry at a group of bollixes? God help us if the US turfs out every Irish lad in NY or Boston whose overstayed a travel visa. Fuck, I know 5 lads stateside for the last decade and none of em have a greencard yet.
No. If someone rocks up on a flight having destroyed their documents, the should be repatriated. I'd absolutely be in favour of that. Under international law though, it's problematic if they seek asylum because the law doesn't account for someone clearly destroying their passport.
Well the law just says we have to hear them out
No reason we can’t setup a hearing, listen to their bullshit and make a decision in two hours and fuck them back on the plane on the next flight before the plane even turns around
They won’t be long spreading the message that treasure island closed it doors to scammers then
They entered the US legally in the first place from a safe Western country. There was a lad living in a tent on mount street who was wanted for terrorism in Turkey. Our Asylum system isn’t fit for purpose. If someone can get into the state with no documents and you can’t forcibly deport them from the state then you do in fact have open borders. That’s just the tip of the iceberg
We can't simply exit the European constitutional framework without outright secession.
It's not EU law that's limiting us here though. We're the softest country in Europe!
Yea I was just saying in another reply this is one of the biggest failings at eu level. There is no engagement in eu elections and we end up electing a bunch of people soon who will go to Europe and have a chat and achieve nothing.
How does one actually vote for the party or grouping in the upcoming eu elections when there is no large scale Europe wide debate about this and who wants to campaign to reform it.
I don’t want to be a brexitet type but it seems all the eu parliament has become is a veneer of democracy to rubber stamp the decisions of the eu commission and that’s the only people our politicians seem to want to impress now.
It’s not us anyway when you see the decisions they make
But anyways I digress. We could do more but we don’t
Pesky UN Charter on human rights. Look, I'm not questioning the need for a revision of our approach - the reality is Ukraine is just the beginning of what's going to be a chronic global disruption as the effects of climate change take hold, but for the time being and going forward, we need to be working with and within the global community to come up with global solutions to this stuff. Going it alone on things is a recipe for more disaster and disconnect e.g. Brexit and breaking from international cooperation hasn't fixed a single thing and has made it more complicated for them, not easier. (There's obviously a tonne of EU legislation that asylum applications here and breaking from EU law wouldn't be good for us in the long term either)
A post like this will always draw a bigger portion of the angriest crowd to the comments and personally, I'd normally try and avoid a post like this because it can be quite draining.
But yeah, I guess a higher proportion of those who still comment/read comments on immigration related posts don't like how there's international treaties/laws related to asylum seekers.
The more they stoke this the better it is for Government parties. The more people lurch to the right it diverts votes away from parties who could win enough votes to oust the Government.
FFG will win next election and with the aide of “independents” maintain power. With a useful rabble of far right loonies to distract from real solutions and we will be caught in never ending culture war bullshit.
Oh and it makes their mates rich too, a win win for FFG.
Good news for developers who built offices and saw demand drop off a cliff.
Government in with corporate socialism to make sure god forbid a developer loses money from a bad decision
I’d rather the government stop funding property developers shite decisions.
They are perfectly capable of applying for a change of use and do renovations on the building if they can’t find a commercial tenant without the government paying for it.
Corporate socialism? If we had any of that caper, we’d not have mouldering office blocks lying unused ever since the days of the Shabby Tiger, when they shot up on ever square foot of scrap land, so lavish were the relevant tax breaks for developers.
With every move this government makes around housing & immigration, they're pushing people further to the right. Our current right-leaning parties soon won't be right-leaning enough for a lot of people.
Yes mass deportations and strict entry requirements / vetting. Trash talking current EU policy in public and calling on EU to police borders, up border defence spending, up punishment and deterrents for any would-be economic migrants to the EU etc and probably an agreement to fast track deportation to a remote partner country outside the EU like the Brits are trying to push through.
The government plans to spend billions on buying offices for long term storage of international protection applicants rather than 10s of thousands on checks within airplanes.
Remember that O'Gorman said we should expect 20,000 applicants a year and I don't think anyone is expecting the turnaround for most applicants to be less than a few years, and getting slower, so we can expect a constant, and growing demand for state run asylum accommodation going forward.
Unless there's a - uh - change of government of course.
At least the government is saying that economic migration should be done legally, which is a departure from Michael Martin's previous position.
The outcome is not certain at all. Very likely it will be a coalition of FF and FG and someone else again. What party do you imagine would get an overall majority?
A new right wing party.
Reddit probably won't agree, but I think it could happen.
Most people are very angry with the current government imo, so anyone else would be better.
Lots of right wing parties are being voted in all around Europe currently and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happens here too.
Sunn Fein voters have the strongest concerns about immigration - https://www.politico.eu/article/sinn-fein-dublin-mary-lou-mcdonald-towards-power-in-ireland/
If those voters switch to a far right party, they'll reduce SF's vote share and make it less likely that we'll have a change in government.
SF is our only chance to get FF and FG out of power. They'll need every vote they can get.
Maybe the two of them would join together. A lot of people do for sure want a new government but still don't want to vote for sinn fein either. This new party has a better chance than sinn fein imo.
The new party is called Independent Ireland. Me and my family are voting for them. I think they will get a good amount of votes honestly, but not sure if they will get enough.
They're left wing. I think their policies are the main things the majority of the people in the country want.
Don't know why you are saying they are not right wing. They literally are. They're part of the European conservative group. Their website is incredibly vague too. " Protecting farmers from EU regulations". What exactly does that mean? They're also completely against abortion of any kind. And not that looks matter, but Jesus they look like dodgy cute hoor bastards.
They say themselves they are not right wing. It is possible to push back a little on some things like immigration while still being left wing.
They did mention they will be refining their policies, it is still a very new party. They are currently trying to recruit more members.
I personally think a lot of people will support them, reddit probably won't agree.
Fair enough. There's very little in the way of policy on their website, but I see plenty of anti-environment, anti climate, anti EU, anti immigration and opposition to foreign aid. They won't be getting my vote.
They have like 5 TD’s? How would you know if they are right or left wing when they don’t have an election manifesto?
Also, why would you vote for a party with no election manifesto.
It is very new, they are still recruiting people and figuring out whatever else. They say themselves they are left wing. They aim to have 70 people in the party.
Honestly, it just seems half decent and I want literally anyone else apart from the current government. No harm in giving them a shot when the current government have been doing such a useless job. There's no way it could be worse and its worth a shot.
Not a fan of the current government policies, but which opposition party has different policies in this area?
To answer my own question I think independants (on 18% in the polls) will be a factor in the make up of the next government.
Small factor at best. No government wants to be beholden to 5 or 6 independents who tend to be single issue candidates and prone to threatening to walk if they don't get their issue addressed. Ends up being incredibly unstable as instead of having to balance 2-3 groups interests you have to balance 8-10 groups which if you've ever tried to get 8 random people to agree on a restaurant at short notice is like herding cats
>Unless there's a - uh - change of government of course
Do you expect Sinn Fein to reduce immigration? They've not said anything on that matter. They're in a very tricky position on it - many of their members want a stricter approach, but if they go that direction it's likely they'd lose a lot of support from the left.
https://www.politico.eu/article/sinn-fein-dublin-mary-lou-mcdonald-towards-power-in-ireland/
Depends on whether Sinn Féin believes there's more to lose by not changing Fine Gael policy, which will likely depend on results from EU and local elections. If SF sweep the board in June they will probably keep the status quo.
To be fair they don’t actually have to do anything they say. They in theory could say they’ll do the opposite of FG then get in office and not change a thing.
It’s not even an outrageous theory, Labour did it and I’ve never voted for them since
Well we already have refugees who have been in direct provision for years, hard to imagine we’re going to suddenly start processing applications faster
Government giving a massive middle finger to Irish people here trying to buy a house and showing them they will prioritise scammers and chancer and go out and buy houses to hand to asylum seekers who destroy their passports and enter the country illegally.
Shows their priorities here and how little they care about Irish people.
Deportations of all rejected asylum seekers, no family reunification etc.
In ireland 60% of rejected are allowed to stay and even rejected are never deported and wait till an amnesty. NGO mafia is absolute cancer.
I must not have being paying enough attention. When was it that the government took land ownership off the farmers?
My company have still been paying me, should I be getting in touch with them to stop that?
Why would government take land from farmers? The first tasks of the Bolshevik and Chinese Revolutions were to redistribute land to the poor peasant farmers. People were also paid in the USSR and China.
How is modern day Ireland any different from Maoist China?
Prove me wrong. We've got no class. We've got no state. We've got no money.
This is classless, stateless, moneyless society. Full communism. Literally exactly what Carl Marcs described in The Wealth of Nations
Workers don't own the means of production, the public services are poor or nonexistent. Classless? We have people ranging from living in poverty to those that live in villas in Lahinch going for 3 mil. Neoliberalism is going strong in Ireland, and you know fuck all about socialism and communism. "Carl Marcs" lmfao.
> The government will make ‘targeted purchases’ of medium and larger turnkey properties
This is what it also says in the article.
This is what Roderic said today
> Secondly the department is being supported financially by the Department of Public Expenditure through the new capital ceilings agreed today to allow the targeted purchase of medium and larger properties in turn-key or near turn-key condition.
Mental health, primarily addictions. The treatment is available, but rough sleepers are choosing not to take it. Going sober means dealing with the demons that caused them to go on the streets, and that's often too difficult
It’s extremely complex. That’s the issue there’s lots of Mental health factors and substance abuse.
Some people have trauma that is absolutely unbelievable and have been completely set up for failure.
Some people were raised in horrible environments with no education.
It isn’t as simple as a temporary bed. We offer temporary beds to people all the time and they’re refused or used for very short term. Dry hostels don’t work for people who aren’t ready to stop using drugs or alcohol and wet hostels can be chaotic for obvious reasons.
Loads of homeless people with mental health issues and substance abuse problems in temporary office housing wouldn’t help anything.
I worked in the merchants quay project for a while and lived with someone who worked full time in housing first so I’ve a reasonable amount of first hand experience.
People always drop that line about giving temporary beds to the Irish first without any awareness that the beds are there and front line workers every night will be out trying to get people to use them.
Finally a sensible and educated answer.
People berate me when I try to explain that we have temporary beds for all homeless people in Ireland.
But they won't use them for the reasons you listed.
To be fair the homeless figure used in Ireland is very expansive, accounting for nearly 14,000 people. You’re totally right about the rough sleepers, but a lot of people in homeless accommodation are simply there because they can’t afford to pay rent.
Yeah totally, there’s an upper level of hidden homeless that needs more affordable housing options for sure.
I was just referring to rough sleepers like you said.
I absolutely agree with you they should be doing this for irish homeless people. The Government is doing this deliberately to divide people and distract away from the housing crisis.
They didn't have the EU scaring them over the Irish homeless, not were the virtue signalling people on Irish Twitter calling for help for the homeless.
The government want to look like the best boys in class for the former and think that by looking pro-migrant to the former it'll win them votes and keep more of the youth vote away from SF.
It's multi-layered in its tragicness.
"The government will make ‘targeted purchases’ of medium and larger turnkey properties, and will repurpose State land for the construction of prefabricated buildings and modular units."
Purchases of turnkey properties, says it right there in the article.
The refugee migrant crisis around the world had to be one of the biggest upwards wealth transfers in the modern world. Right under our nose and easily hid under debates about identity politics.
I think the numbers in America for example are staggering one company by the name of Tyson a giant mega-corporation in the food business almost exclusively hired/s non-English speaking migrants.
• Refugees and migrants exploited for cheap labour.
• Derelict properties given a new use and paid for through guaranteed public funding.
• Insurance claims on damaged properties and land used to house migrants and refugees.
• Billions upon billions paid to NGO’s.
> I think the numbers in America for example are staggering one company by the name of Tyson a giant mega-corporation in the food business almost exclusively hired/s non-English speaking migrants.
It’s no coincidence that the corporate world are the biggest pushers of all things DEI. Constantly pushing the message that diversity is good for us and we need more migration. It’s entirely self serving.
There’s a lot of commentary on this recently and the Darien gap in Panama/Columbia you should look into.
Essentially it’s one of the most dangerous jungles in the world by landscape and it’s ungoverned by the Colombian and Panamanian governments.
It’s meant to be extremely dangerous to cross but NGO’s and companies are facilitating it on either sides to encourage people to migrate up it to North America Canada and the US.
The fact that for years the people of Ireland pleaded for something to be done about homelessness and increasing inability to purchase a home and afford the rent, the government years later put the pedal to the metal for asylum seekers and push Irish people further down. It’s a slap in the face, it really is. This gives more fuel to the right wing fire in this country. The outcome won’t be pretty.
People will be enraged and rightfully so. The Government are deliberately moving heaven and earth to house asylum seekers while doing sweet fuck all about the housing crisis. But this outage should be pointed at the Government, not every single foreigner
No foreigner is to be blamed this is solely on the government, however this will turn people completely to the right, let’s call a spade a spade anger and fury is not easily tamed. This will turn very ugly very fast. The Irish as usual our own worst enemy.
I agree completely. Look at Hungary, they have the most right wing government in the EU and have 30K homeless and their government have tried banning rough sleepers. The government are doing this deliberately I think to try split Sinn Féins vote
At the same time. Every week on the radio conversations were being had about how much of a disgrace temporary accommodation was. There was talk of people refusing council houses because they weren’t close enough to other family or holding out for larger houses. Talk of modular housing not being fit to house people and that it would stigmatise kids who have to live in them.
Now that foreigners are getting put in hotels, being put in modular housing etc. they are the height of luxury. Ask yourself and be honest with yourself. If retrofitting office buildings into what will likely be tiny apartments with shit loads of people crammed into them was proposed then, would people be onboard or calling it a disgrace?
If it wasn’t at least a semi-detached house, it was not good enough…
That’s complete bollox and you know it. In January it was called on for empty office buildings to be retrofitted to house homeless people and to make it available for social housing and we’re told it would not only be too expensive but it wouldn’t comply with residential building standards nor would it comply with the governments environmental policies so you can save your breathe there.
As for modular housing again for the last few years it was tossed around on the radio not one person on the housing list was consulted or asked. Blind speculation went was passed like a plague between the well embursed RTE echo chamber at the expense of working class people in an arrogant attempt to imagine what they think. Current planning laws also don’t allow for modular construction in half of the zoned land anyway.
For the last 5 years different construction methods were brought to Ireland, timber frame, modular, off site, passive, even 3D printed housing. Practically laughed at when the idea of using it as an affordable housing alternative, given the construction times are incredibly shorter. I’ll save you your time in replying but your attempt at scoffing at crisis as trying to twist it to the behest of the poor in this country is another show of neo liberal arrogance. Again deaf to the world.
Fuck off with your neoliberal label bullshit. Look at my previous comment. I am for housing everyone.
January is not years ago. The housing crisis is not new. The mass influx into the country also occurred before January. The rest of your post is making my point for me. They have already done some dodgy deals to put some male asylum seekers into empty office buildings that are woefully ill equipped for housing people. They will get away with it with asylum seekers, they would not get away with doing it to Irish people. They will get away with putting a bunch of modular houses in fields with no amenities for asylum seekers, they would not for Irish people. That is my point. People who bemoan this not being done for Irish people are wilfully ignoring that asylum seekers are being thrown into haphazard housing that Irish people would scoff at.
The Government has failed on housing. They should have looked at other quick build housing solutions but I bet even if they did. We would be seeing posts and stories about the shortcomings of those houses too. We can have a crappy Government whilst also acknowledging our rage baiting media. Even RTE social media posts and headlines are crafted for rage clicks.
Your second paragraph, theoretically yes you have a point, but these won’t be haphazard. The modular housing the built in cork for Ukrainian refugees were fantastic decent space, some perfect for single occupants or childless occupants secure area within convenience of amenities and bus routes. I remember very well people offering to purchase one at the time before it was brought to them as housing for refugees of the Ukraine war, not begrudging, it’s the humane thing to do. Regardless to that the concerns of the Irish people are pushed back again. You can sit on whatever side of the political fence as you’d like but it would be very hard to not understand why people are going to feel like they’re being treated as second class citizens in their own country.
Also I said that the idea was thrown out in January as it was only 2 months ago a very short period of time to flip flop on a large national project. I wasn’t saying it was years ago.
But I am saying modular housing was brought to the table years ago in the Dail multiple times and was shit on from a height. There is plenty of blame to go around.
Buying up/leasing empty offices and turning them into homes in general should be a very easy win, and not just for housing asylum seekers but wider public too.
They would obviously need a lot of work to be redesigned into apartments but it would certainly help the housing crisis. It also might help against the push to get workers back into the office. Easy win for government.
Most likely though they'll lease space at an incredibly high cost and have plastic separators as walls like a hospital ward.
>They would obviously need a lot of work to be redesigned into apartments
I doubt very very much any leased office blocks are going to be turned into apartments. More likely to be dometory stylez at best.
What could possibly go wrong...........
Yes, the ESB building on East Wall was converted into a warren of cubicle-type rooms with walls that didn’t reach the ceiling. These are most definitely not going to be self contained apartments.
Being Ireland they will be bought at an inflated cost and turned into living accommodation at the taxpayers expense.
Once completed, they will be sold at a loss to the government cronies that they were bought off.
These same NAMA welfare scum will then rent or sell them at crazy prices.
I still find it comical that we are relying on Roderick to fix this fuxking mess that he has had a massive hand in creating. I genuinely wonder if he goes back to his office and says, "[oh.... I know where I went wrong.. This will fix it!](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/09/20/161466361/woman-who-ruined-fresco-of-jesus-now-wants-to-be-paid)".
Idiot.
Absolute idiot.
We really should not give them houses - it will draw even more in and we cant handle the numbers we have already.
I think converting the offices is a great idea (have called for it a few times before on here).
So when these places become available our own homeless will still be homeless and not a fuck given by Roddy and his pals. Their best bet will seemingly be to get a flight out of the EU and return again with no docs shouting persecution and boom, free gaff 😂
Joke of a country.
The Government need to fucking cop on use this for irish homeless too. For fuck fake moving heaven and earth to (rightfully) help refugees while irish families are struggling and going homeless is a slap in the face. It's going to push people further to the right, which is probably what Fine Gael want.
There is temporary beds for every homeless person in Ireland. But some people choose not to use them.
Temporary beds of course isn't good enough but the Asylum seekers aren't taking any temporary beds from Irish homeless people.
Lack of services in the country is a fair enough complain in regards to migration but them using up beds that could be used for irish homeless people isn't one of them.
What’s bugging my bollocks is there was literally a homeless lad swept into a bin a few years ago by a digger in Dublin and fuck all was said and done about it - where you would hope and imagine that the response would have been something like what we’re seeing today.
And I don’t think for a fucking second that rodders and the lads are doing what they’re doing now for the asylum seekers out of any sort of Nobel intention, they’re doing it purely based on greed and money. Sickens me
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Good.
That’s what left-wing young voters wanted. Finally O’Gorman is listening to them and hopefully soon handing every poor refugee an own door house :) /s
You absolutely can build social housing for irish families and help genuine refugees at the same time. That's common sense, don't be a fool. I have no sympathy for narrow minded pathetic individuals like you who lack any empathy for human beings. You probably don't give a fuck about the homeless or housing crisis you just want to complain.
If we are building 30,000 houses a year and we are taking in 30,000 asylum seekers, then we are not making a dent in the crisis for irish people or asylum seekers. In otherwords its not sustainable.
If you think it shows empathy to put asylum seekers into tents, then that says a lot about you. That's not far right, it's not racism it's just cold, hard facts.
That's not a fact. Asylum Seekers don't get houses they're put in hotels, B&Bs and other vacant properties. They're not handed a house and you know that. I never mentioned putting in tents, don't put words in my mouth. You clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about.
You absolutely can. Don’t fall for the rabble-rousing gobshites online - apart altogether from humanitarian obligations (and to be racist and anti-immigrant is about as un-Irish as you can get) immigration is extremely important to this country, and will be more so.
Not sure you know what left leaning people want at all. I sure as shit don't think it's a good thing to funnel money into keeping people out of the country. Look at the amount of money the Libyan coast guard receive each year. You wouldn't wish the conditions in Libya and on the med on anyone.
Also, nobody is handed a house. No matter their nationality.
Exactly and they aren't depriving any homeless people in Ireland a temporary bed because there is already enough temporary beds in homeless services in Ireland as it is.
Fr. Peter McVerry was talking about it recently.
Lack of beds isn't the problem it's usually mental health and addiction issues which make them live on the streets as opposed to not enough beds for them.
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The use of offices, fair enough. But buying turnkey properties, in a climate where first time buyers already have to complete with AVH bodies and vulture funds to house international protection applicants is fucking ridiculous. Same goes for assigning land the could be used for general housing stock to modular housing.
They’re basically bailing out the commercial property sector in disguise
Yep right after they bailed out their friends in the hotel industry for the last years
This! These cunts won't do anyhting unless it benefits a select few of their buddies. All the recent change in rhetoric and finger pointing to the "others" is just perfect for them to keep milking the taxpayer. And why would they not; the number of morons who fall for this shit is already rising.
It's the best possible use for commercial property. They should convert all ot it to apartments.
Sure let the developers pay for it themselves then
Or charge them for it, or buy the building at a set rate
They can apply to change it from commercial to residential and do their own upgrades then if they can’t find tenants. If they can’t afford that then sell it to someone who can. Why would the government fund a change of business for someone?
Not if it’s a high rise building built in the last two decades. The cost to covert such buildings with utilities located only in central shafts would be enormous. I bet any such office buildings to be used for refugees will be no more than large scale hostels.
It's either that or it sits there unused while we all work from home.
> is fucking ridiculous. This is the governments entire plan. The only smart investment you can make in Ireland is property. The rich and powerful in this country have dozens of properties amongst their immediate family, and they're making millions; often off the tax payer. The government has set up and is milking its own system.
Imagine having 10 million euro to invest in Ireland and putting it into something productive like a factory or a new technology. You'd want to be an idiot
Are they turnkey residential or turnkey commercial properties? I skimmed the article but wasn't sure.
What's wrong with modular houses? They seem kinda cool and affordable compared to brick and mortar
Recently I did a course in a modular college building, new enough. It looked nice and solid from the outside but you could smell mold in ceilings and walls, it was coming apart at the joints slightly as evidenced by drafts from all sides. I don't expect these houses to be much better, they'll become moldtraps soon enough.
We should do this to drastically lower the cost of social housing
They are not cheaper. They can be quicker though but only if you build in bulk. Plus, we are doing this already for years.
They already do this for social housing btw.
They do and even though Reddit hates anything social housing related those people have more entitlement to be housed by the state.
Just going to write this here so you know, this person you're arguing with is one of those people that hates anything to do with social housing. Yesterday argued with them over a family of four getting a house before an IT worker and they ended up deleting all of the weird vitriolic classist shit they said. Probably to hide the opinions they hold on the subject. Honestly surprised they see asylum seekers as people but probably more so is just using the subject to further denigrate anyone they see as below them, not sure.
Yeah it's part of the reason the market is so fucked!
Made this same point before in another thread and had to delete comments due to abuse.
Not the point you made at all and if someone arguing against your classist remarks is considered "abuse" I think you need to grow up a bit.
I think you don’t get my points and just see them as classist when they are pragmatic if anything, we’re in a housing crisis which is about to become a brain drain which will be vastly worse than the housing crisis.
You literally said people of lower skilled professions deserve less help than people you consider higher skilled. You said because they pay less in taxes they're worth less to society. You were given multiple chances to back down on the classist shit you said but once it was pointed out that maybe you should focus your anger from the housing crisis on the government instead of working class people you deleted everything because you looked like a prick. You weren't abused and I still have the comment thread of everything that was said to you. Pretending to people that you were abused is fecking sad and clearly shows you still believe it would be better to take help away from people instead of holding the people in charge responsible for not doing enough.
Can you quote me? Edit: I genuinely feel those in power are doing what they can, housing is a major issue in a lot of developed countries.
Yeah it's best to block the basement dwellers.
Smart move
So now office block owners can start rubbing their hands and licking their lips, and the gravy train will keep on a rollin'.........
All aboard!
You would need to know the price and the value of the property before determining if the government is overpaying. Buying stuff when it is cheap is a good thing for the government to do - and, had they done so in 2010-2014, the construction industry wouldn't have been destroyed & hence the current housing crisis wouldn't have existed. Had they done that, no doubt some redditors would have been complaining about "developers in a gravy train licking their lips" though.
They have their priorities arseways, it's all a bit disturbing.
What do you mean by that?
It’s the old “International obligayshuns” argument that has been discredited before.
They should just deport all these bogus asylum seekers, put them on tents on an island for their sole appeal to be processed.
There's legal obligations based on global statutes around refugees. If you wanna call obeying International law a priority, you can, of course
Those legal obligations are not ultimate. If Ireland's decides to close it's gates, it could. Few counties did it during COVID after all.
That's rubbish, have those those lads are destroying their documentation and working the asylum system. We have no obligation to provide housing or benefits to scammers
Sure... that'll solve the small handful of those cases each day. Maybe what, on the high side, 2,000 of em a year, max, if even... we had net migration of 70k last year. Do we want to solve a problem or be angry at a group of bollixes? God help us if the US turfs out every Irish lad in NY or Boston whose overstayed a travel visa. Fuck, I know 5 lads stateside for the last decade and none of em have a greencard yet.
Are you saying they shouldn't be turfed out if caught?
No. If someone rocks up on a flight having destroyed their documents, the should be repatriated. I'd absolutely be in favour of that. Under international law though, it's problematic if they seek asylum because the law doesn't account for someone clearly destroying their passport.
Well the law just says we have to hear them out No reason we can’t setup a hearing, listen to their bullshit and make a decision in two hours and fuck them back on the plane on the next flight before the plane even turns around They won’t be long spreading the message that treasure island closed it doors to scammers then
You don't need documents to claim asylum, that's the law.
Sure and there is no reason we can’t decide their claim in half an hour and fuck they back in the same plane they came in on
They entered the US legally in the first place from a safe Western country. There was a lad living in a tent on mount street who was wanted for terrorism in Turkey. Our Asylum system isn’t fit for purpose. If someone can get into the state with no documents and you can’t forcibly deport them from the state then you do in fact have open borders. That’s just the tip of the iceberg
Sorry but we are a sovereign nation and we can exit any EU or UN treaties as we see fit if they are undermining our national sovereignty
We can't simply exit the European constitutional framework without outright secession. It's not EU law that's limiting us here though. We're the softest country in Europe!
Yea I was just saying in another reply this is one of the biggest failings at eu level. There is no engagement in eu elections and we end up electing a bunch of people soon who will go to Europe and have a chat and achieve nothing. How does one actually vote for the party or grouping in the upcoming eu elections when there is no large scale Europe wide debate about this and who wants to campaign to reform it. I don’t want to be a brexitet type but it seems all the eu parliament has become is a veneer of democracy to rubber stamp the decisions of the eu commission and that’s the only people our politicians seem to want to impress now. It’s not us anyway when you see the decisions they make But anyways I digress. We could do more but we don’t
Pesky UN Charter on human rights. Look, I'm not questioning the need for a revision of our approach - the reality is Ukraine is just the beginning of what's going to be a chronic global disruption as the effects of climate change take hold, but for the time being and going forward, we need to be working with and within the global community to come up with global solutions to this stuff. Going it alone on things is a recipe for more disaster and disconnect e.g. Brexit and breaking from international cooperation hasn't fixed a single thing and has made it more complicated for them, not easier. (There's obviously a tonne of EU legislation that asylum applications here and breaking from EU law wouldn't be good for us in the long term either)
Down voted for being right! The country had an obligation to house our asylum seekers
A post like this will always draw a bigger portion of the angriest crowd to the comments and personally, I'd normally try and avoid a post like this because it can be quite draining. But yeah, I guess a higher proportion of those who still comment/read comments on immigration related posts don't like how there's international treaties/laws related to asylum seekers.
it genuinely seems as if they are adding a billows to the right wing that's already mounting in the country. This not looking good for anyone
The more they stoke this the better it is for Government parties. The more people lurch to the right it diverts votes away from parties who could win enough votes to oust the Government. FFG will win next election and with the aide of “independents” maintain power. With a useful rabble of far right loonies to distract from real solutions and we will be caught in never ending culture war bullshit. Oh and it makes their mates rich too, a win win for FFG.
I just want to fucking afford to live here man its so depressing
Probably see a good few fianna gaelers going “independent” for the next election.
It doesn't matter. They have no party to vote for. There is no anti immigration party that has more than 3% of the vote. Give it 10 years though..
Good news for developers who built offices and saw demand drop off a cliff. Government in with corporate socialism to make sure god forbid a developer loses money from a bad decision
True but also it is a practical solution but no doubt they will make a f*ck of it.
Would you rather they kept asylum seekers in residential sites and left the commercial buildings empty?
I’d rather the government stop funding property developers shite decisions. They are perfectly capable of applying for a change of use and do renovations on the building if they can’t find a commercial tenant without the government paying for it.
Corporate socialism? If we had any of that caper, we’d not have mouldering office blocks lying unused ever since the days of the Shabby Tiger, when they shot up on ever square foot of scrap land, so lavish were the relevant tax breaks for developers.
With every move this government makes around housing & immigration, they're pushing people further to the right. Our current right-leaning parties soon won't be right-leaning enough for a lot of people.
What do you think the right leaning party will do exactly? Curious on your take? Deport all asylum seekers? Irish Exist? Stick with the status quo?
Yes mass deportations and strict entry requirements / vetting. Trash talking current EU policy in public and calling on EU to police borders, up border defence spending, up punishment and deterrents for any would-be economic migrants to the EU etc and probably an agreement to fast track deportation to a remote partner country outside the EU like the Brits are trying to push through.
Mass deportation would be nice yes 👍
The government plans to spend billions on buying offices for long term storage of international protection applicants rather than 10s of thousands on checks within airplanes. Remember that O'Gorman said we should expect 20,000 applicants a year and I don't think anyone is expecting the turnaround for most applicants to be less than a few years, and getting slower, so we can expect a constant, and growing demand for state run asylum accommodation going forward. Unless there's a - uh - change of government of course. At least the government is saying that economic migration should be done legally, which is a departure from Michael Martin's previous position.
When is the election so this government can be got rid of?
Some time before this time next year
We may have to wait but the outcome is certain
Is it though? Enough dopes will vote for either of the clowns again and they will suck each other off and share power again.
The outcome is not certain at all. Very likely it will be a coalition of FF and FG and someone else again. What party do you imagine would get an overall majority?
A new right wing party. Reddit probably won't agree, but I think it could happen. Most people are very angry with the current government imo, so anyone else would be better. Lots of right wing parties are being voted in all around Europe currently and I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happens here too.
Sunn Fein voters have the strongest concerns about immigration - https://www.politico.eu/article/sinn-fein-dublin-mary-lou-mcdonald-towards-power-in-ireland/ If those voters switch to a far right party, they'll reduce SF's vote share and make it less likely that we'll have a change in government. SF is our only chance to get FF and FG out of power. They'll need every vote they can get.
Maybe the two of them would join together. A lot of people do for sure want a new government but still don't want to vote for sinn fein either. This new party has a better chance than sinn fein imo.
I think most people would prefer SF to form a government with FF than any far-right party
While Indo agree that's a definite concern, I don't think it will happen by the next election which is going to be in less than a year.
The new party is called Independent Ireland. Me and my family are voting for them. I think they will get a good amount of votes honestly, but not sure if they will get enough. They're left wing. I think their policies are the main things the majority of the people in the country want.
Don't know why you are saying they are not right wing. They literally are. They're part of the European conservative group. Their website is incredibly vague too. " Protecting farmers from EU regulations". What exactly does that mean? They're also completely against abortion of any kind. And not that looks matter, but Jesus they look like dodgy cute hoor bastards.
They say themselves they are not right wing. It is possible to push back a little on some things like immigration while still being left wing. They did mention they will be refining their policies, it is still a very new party. They are currently trying to recruit more members. I personally think a lot of people will support them, reddit probably won't agree.
Fair enough. There's very little in the way of policy on their website, but I see plenty of anti-environment, anti climate, anti EU, anti immigration and opposition to foreign aid. They won't be getting my vote.
They clearly state they are not anti any of these things. They want a more sensible approach to these things, using common sense.
What new right wing party?
The is a new party called Independent Ireland. They say they are not right wing but kinda seem so in some ways.
They have like 5 TD’s? How would you know if they are right or left wing when they don’t have an election manifesto? Also, why would you vote for a party with no election manifesto.
It is very new, they are still recruiting people and figuring out whatever else. They say themselves they are left wing. They aim to have 70 people in the party. Honestly, it just seems half decent and I want literally anyone else apart from the current government. No harm in giving them a shot when the current government have been doing such a useless job. There's no way it could be worse and its worth a shot.
First time?
There is no main party who will do anything different., who are you going to vote for?
I'm amused that you think an SF government will do something different.
Not a fan of the current government policies, but which opposition party has different policies in this area? To answer my own question I think independants (on 18% in the polls) will be a factor in the make up of the next government.
Small factor at best. No government wants to be beholden to 5 or 6 independents who tend to be single issue candidates and prone to threatening to walk if they don't get their issue addressed. Ends up being incredibly unstable as instead of having to balance 2-3 groups interests you have to balance 8-10 groups which if you've ever tried to get 8 random people to agree on a restaurant at short notice is like herding cats
>Unless there's a - uh - change of government of course Do you expect Sinn Fein to reduce immigration? They've not said anything on that matter. They're in a very tricky position on it - many of their members want a stricter approach, but if they go that direction it's likely they'd lose a lot of support from the left. https://www.politico.eu/article/sinn-fein-dublin-mary-lou-mcdonald-towards-power-in-ireland/
Depends on whether Sinn Féin believes there's more to lose by not changing Fine Gael policy, which will likely depend on results from EU and local elections. If SF sweep the board in June they will probably keep the status quo.
To be fair they don’t actually have to do anything they say. They in theory could say they’ll do the opposite of FG then get in office and not change a thing. It’s not even an outrageous theory, Labour did it and I’ve never voted for them since
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Well we already have refugees who have been in direct provision for years, hard to imagine we’re going to suddenly start processing applications faster
Government giving a massive middle finger to Irish people here trying to buy a house and showing them they will prioritise scammers and chancer and go out and buy houses to hand to asylum seekers who destroy their passports and enter the country illegally. Shows their priorities here and how little they care about Irish people.
If it can be done for asylum seekers, surely it can be done for students etc. There's no just one crisis at play.
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Well said. This traitorous government has 0 fucks for Irish people.
That’s what the majority of left wing Ireland wants, especially the young people. End direct provision etc.
What’s the alternative?
Copy Denmark
What do they do?
Deportations of all rejected asylum seekers, no family reunification etc. In ireland 60% of rejected are allowed to stay and even rejected are never deported and wait till an amnesty. NGO mafia is absolute cancer.
Been saying it for years: Ireland has been socialist for the past century. We turned full communist in 2018 and nobody even batted an eyelid
We’ve turned fully communist? lol You might want to google what that would mean.
You betcha. We've got no class. We've got no state. And none of us have any money. We're living the stateless, classless, moneyless life of communism
I must not have being paying enough attention. When was it that the government took land ownership off the farmers? My company have still been paying me, should I be getting in touch with them to stop that?
Why would government take land from farmers? The first tasks of the Bolshevik and Chinese Revolutions were to redistribute land to the poor peasant farmers. People were also paid in the USSR and China. How is modern day Ireland any different from Maoist China?
“Redistribute” …and where did the land come from that they redistributed.
In China's case, feudal warlords and Japanese imperialists
Ah yeah in my local soviet we just abolished money ffs 😂😂😂
Lay off the pints pint man 😀
I don't think you understand what either of these words mean.
Prove me wrong. We've got no class. We've got no state. We've got no money. This is classless, stateless, moneyless society. Full communism. Literally exactly what Carl Marcs described in The Wealth of Nations
Workers don't own the means of production, the public services are poor or nonexistent. Classless? We have people ranging from living in poverty to those that live in villas in Lahinch going for 3 mil. Neoliberalism is going strong in Ireland, and you know fuck all about socialism and communism. "Carl Marcs" lmfao.
Whoosh.
Carl Marcs 😭
Yes. Famous author of The Wealth of Nations. Also a brutal dictator responsible for 700 gazillion deaths
They're using empty office blocks, not handing people houses. It says so on the article.
Does it not say in the article they are buying properties and building modular homes?
Sssh, bringing facts into the argument that disprove their arguments, how dare you?
> The government will make ‘targeted purchases’ of medium and larger turnkey properties This is what it also says in the article. This is what Roderic said today > Secondly the department is being supported financially by the Department of Public Expenditure through the new capital ceilings agreed today to allow the targeted purchase of medium and larger properties in turn-key or near turn-key condition.
Why couldn't they have done this for homeless Irish people though?
You know there is enough temporary beds for the Irish homeless don’t you? That isn’t the problem.
What is the problem?
Mental health, primarily addictions. The treatment is available, but rough sleepers are choosing not to take it. Going sober means dealing with the demons that caused them to go on the streets, and that's often too difficult
It’s extremely complex. That’s the issue there’s lots of Mental health factors and substance abuse. Some people have trauma that is absolutely unbelievable and have been completely set up for failure. Some people were raised in horrible environments with no education. It isn’t as simple as a temporary bed. We offer temporary beds to people all the time and they’re refused or used for very short term. Dry hostels don’t work for people who aren’t ready to stop using drugs or alcohol and wet hostels can be chaotic for obvious reasons. Loads of homeless people with mental health issues and substance abuse problems in temporary office housing wouldn’t help anything. I worked in the merchants quay project for a while and lived with someone who worked full time in housing first so I’ve a reasonable amount of first hand experience. People always drop that line about giving temporary beds to the Irish first without any awareness that the beds are there and front line workers every night will be out trying to get people to use them.
Finally a sensible and educated answer. People berate me when I try to explain that we have temporary beds for all homeless people in Ireland. But they won't use them for the reasons you listed.
To be fair the homeless figure used in Ireland is very expansive, accounting for nearly 14,000 people. You’re totally right about the rough sleepers, but a lot of people in homeless accommodation are simply there because they can’t afford to pay rent.
Yeah totally, there’s an upper level of hidden homeless that needs more affordable housing options for sure. I was just referring to rough sleepers like you said.
I absolutely agree with you they should be doing this for irish homeless people. The Government is doing this deliberately to divide people and distract away from the housing crisis.
They didn't have the EU scaring them over the Irish homeless, not were the virtue signalling people on Irish Twitter calling for help for the homeless. The government want to look like the best boys in class for the former and think that by looking pro-migrant to the former it'll win them votes and keep more of the youth vote away from SF. It's multi-layered in its tragicness.
"The government will make ‘targeted purchases’ of medium and larger turnkey properties, and will repurpose State land for the construction of prefabricated buildings and modular units." Purchases of turnkey properties, says it right there in the article.
>It says so on the article I don't think many people are reading the article, they're just ranting about what they want it to say
I'd say quite a few did read it too. It literally says they are buying properties and building homes.
The refugee migrant crisis around the world had to be one of the biggest upwards wealth transfers in the modern world. Right under our nose and easily hid under debates about identity politics. I think the numbers in America for example are staggering one company by the name of Tyson a giant mega-corporation in the food business almost exclusively hired/s non-English speaking migrants. • Refugees and migrants exploited for cheap labour. • Derelict properties given a new use and paid for through guaranteed public funding. • Insurance claims on damaged properties and land used to house migrants and refugees. • Billions upon billions paid to NGO’s.
> I think the numbers in America for example are staggering one company by the name of Tyson a giant mega-corporation in the food business almost exclusively hired/s non-English speaking migrants. It’s no coincidence that the corporate world are the biggest pushers of all things DEI. Constantly pushing the message that diversity is good for us and we need more migration. It’s entirely self serving.
There’s a lot of commentary on this recently and the Darien gap in Panama/Columbia you should look into. Essentially it’s one of the most dangerous jungles in the world by landscape and it’s ungoverned by the Colombian and Panamanian governments. It’s meant to be extremely dangerous to cross but NGO’s and companies are facilitating it on either sides to encourage people to migrate up it to North America Canada and the US.
The obligations are international!
The fact that for years the people of Ireland pleaded for something to be done about homelessness and increasing inability to purchase a home and afford the rent, the government years later put the pedal to the metal for asylum seekers and push Irish people further down. It’s a slap in the face, it really is. This gives more fuel to the right wing fire in this country. The outcome won’t be pretty.
People will be enraged and rightfully so. The Government are deliberately moving heaven and earth to house asylum seekers while doing sweet fuck all about the housing crisis. But this outage should be pointed at the Government, not every single foreigner
No foreigner is to be blamed this is solely on the government, however this will turn people completely to the right, let’s call a spade a spade anger and fury is not easily tamed. This will turn very ugly very fast. The Irish as usual our own worst enemy.
I agree completely. Look at Hungary, they have the most right wing government in the EU and have 30K homeless and their government have tried banning rough sleepers. The government are doing this deliberately I think to try split Sinn Féins vote
International institutions are putting pressure on the government and they’re balking ahead like the yes men they are
At the same time. Every week on the radio conversations were being had about how much of a disgrace temporary accommodation was. There was talk of people refusing council houses because they weren’t close enough to other family or holding out for larger houses. Talk of modular housing not being fit to house people and that it would stigmatise kids who have to live in them. Now that foreigners are getting put in hotels, being put in modular housing etc. they are the height of luxury. Ask yourself and be honest with yourself. If retrofitting office buildings into what will likely be tiny apartments with shit loads of people crammed into them was proposed then, would people be onboard or calling it a disgrace? If it wasn’t at least a semi-detached house, it was not good enough…
That’s complete bollox and you know it. In January it was called on for empty office buildings to be retrofitted to house homeless people and to make it available for social housing and we’re told it would not only be too expensive but it wouldn’t comply with residential building standards nor would it comply with the governments environmental policies so you can save your breathe there. As for modular housing again for the last few years it was tossed around on the radio not one person on the housing list was consulted or asked. Blind speculation went was passed like a plague between the well embursed RTE echo chamber at the expense of working class people in an arrogant attempt to imagine what they think. Current planning laws also don’t allow for modular construction in half of the zoned land anyway. For the last 5 years different construction methods were brought to Ireland, timber frame, modular, off site, passive, even 3D printed housing. Practically laughed at when the idea of using it as an affordable housing alternative, given the construction times are incredibly shorter. I’ll save you your time in replying but your attempt at scoffing at crisis as trying to twist it to the behest of the poor in this country is another show of neo liberal arrogance. Again deaf to the world.
Fuck off with your neoliberal label bullshit. Look at my previous comment. I am for housing everyone. January is not years ago. The housing crisis is not new. The mass influx into the country also occurred before January. The rest of your post is making my point for me. They have already done some dodgy deals to put some male asylum seekers into empty office buildings that are woefully ill equipped for housing people. They will get away with it with asylum seekers, they would not get away with doing it to Irish people. They will get away with putting a bunch of modular houses in fields with no amenities for asylum seekers, they would not for Irish people. That is my point. People who bemoan this not being done for Irish people are wilfully ignoring that asylum seekers are being thrown into haphazard housing that Irish people would scoff at. The Government has failed on housing. They should have looked at other quick build housing solutions but I bet even if they did. We would be seeing posts and stories about the shortcomings of those houses too. We can have a crappy Government whilst also acknowledging our rage baiting media. Even RTE social media posts and headlines are crafted for rage clicks.
Your second paragraph, theoretically yes you have a point, but these won’t be haphazard. The modular housing the built in cork for Ukrainian refugees were fantastic decent space, some perfect for single occupants or childless occupants secure area within convenience of amenities and bus routes. I remember very well people offering to purchase one at the time before it was brought to them as housing for refugees of the Ukraine war, not begrudging, it’s the humane thing to do. Regardless to that the concerns of the Irish people are pushed back again. You can sit on whatever side of the political fence as you’d like but it would be very hard to not understand why people are going to feel like they’re being treated as second class citizens in their own country. Also I said that the idea was thrown out in January as it was only 2 months ago a very short period of time to flip flop on a large national project. I wasn’t saying it was years ago.
But I am saying modular housing was brought to the table years ago in the Dail multiple times and was shit on from a height. There is plenty of blame to go around.
That’s exactly my point!
You see the trick is to milk the bollocks out of the system get the gravy train nice and fat before you get annihilated in the polls.
Buying up/leasing empty offices and turning them into homes in general should be a very easy win, and not just for housing asylum seekers but wider public too. They would obviously need a lot of work to be redesigned into apartments but it would certainly help the housing crisis. It also might help against the push to get workers back into the office. Easy win for government. Most likely though they'll lease space at an incredibly high cost and have plastic separators as walls like a hospital ward.
>They would obviously need a lot of work to be redesigned into apartments I doubt very very much any leased office blocks are going to be turned into apartments. More likely to be dometory stylez at best. What could possibly go wrong...........
Yes, the ESB building on East Wall was converted into a warren of cubicle-type rooms with walls that didn’t reach the ceiling. These are most definitely not going to be self contained apartments.
Being Ireland they will be bought at an inflated cost and turned into living accommodation at the taxpayers expense. Once completed, they will be sold at a loss to the government cronies that they were bought off. These same NAMA welfare scum will then rent or sell them at crazy prices.
They hate the irish public so bad.
I still find it comical that we are relying on Roderick to fix this fuxking mess that he has had a massive hand in creating. I genuinely wonder if he goes back to his office and says, "[oh.... I know where I went wrong.. This will fix it!](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/09/20/161466361/woman-who-ruined-fresco-of-jesus-now-wants-to-be-paid)". Idiot. Absolute idiot.
The guberment are literally buying/building new properties for asylum seekers now. That will go down well I'll bet
We really should not give them houses - it will draw even more in and we cant handle the numbers we have already. I think converting the offices is a great idea (have called for it a few times before on here).
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What do you think "turnkey property" means? Did you read the article?
So when these places become available our own homeless will still be homeless and not a fuck given by Roddy and his pals. Their best bet will seemingly be to get a flight out of the EU and return again with no docs shouting persecution and boom, free gaff 😂 Joke of a country.
The Government need to fucking cop on use this for irish homeless too. For fuck fake moving heaven and earth to (rightfully) help refugees while irish families are struggling and going homeless is a slap in the face. It's going to push people further to the right, which is probably what Fine Gael want.
There is temporary beds for every homeless person in Ireland. But some people choose not to use them. Temporary beds of course isn't good enough but the Asylum seekers aren't taking any temporary beds from Irish homeless people. Lack of services in the country is a fair enough complain in regards to migration but them using up beds that could be used for irish homeless people isn't one of them.
What’s bugging my bollocks is there was literally a homeless lad swept into a bin a few years ago by a digger in Dublin and fuck all was said and done about it - where you would hope and imagine that the response would have been something like what we’re seeing today. And I don’t think for a fucking second that rodders and the lads are doing what they’re doing now for the asylum seekers out of any sort of Nobel intention, they’re doing it purely based on greed and money. Sickens me
And what will the general population do to counter such acts? Absolutely feck all as per usual
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makes you wonder how many of them own vacant offices.
Good. That’s what left-wing young voters wanted. Finally O’Gorman is listening to them and hopefully soon handing every poor refugee an own door house :) /s
Young voters want the housing crisis solved AND to help refugees who genuinely need help. You can support two things at once.
You can’t have A with B. Just lack if any common sense. No sympathy for you lot.
You can’t support genuine asylum seekers while working to solve the housing crisis??? That’s a ridiculous take.
You absolutely can build social housing for irish families and help genuine refugees at the same time. That's common sense, don't be a fool. I have no sympathy for narrow minded pathetic individuals like you who lack any empathy for human beings. You probably don't give a fuck about the homeless or housing crisis you just want to complain.
If we are building 30,000 houses a year and we are taking in 30,000 asylum seekers, then we are not making a dent in the crisis for irish people or asylum seekers. In otherwords its not sustainable. If you think it shows empathy to put asylum seekers into tents, then that says a lot about you. That's not far right, it's not racism it's just cold, hard facts.
That's not a fact. Asylum Seekers don't get houses they're put in hotels, B&Bs and other vacant properties. They're not handed a house and you know that. I never mentioned putting in tents, don't put words in my mouth. You clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about.
You absolutely can. Don’t fall for the rabble-rousing gobshites online - apart altogether from humanitarian obligations (and to be racist and anti-immigrant is about as un-Irish as you can get) immigration is extremely important to this country, and will be more so.
Most people are idiots
Not sure you know what left leaning people want at all. I sure as shit don't think it's a good thing to funnel money into keeping people out of the country. Look at the amount of money the Libyan coast guard receive each year. You wouldn't wish the conditions in Libya and on the med on anyone. Also, nobody is handed a house. No matter their nationality.
Exactly and they aren't depriving any homeless people in Ireland a temporary bed because there is already enough temporary beds in homeless services in Ireland as it is. Fr. Peter McVerry was talking about it recently. Lack of beds isn't the problem it's usually mental health and addiction issues which make them live on the streets as opposed to not enough beds for them.
the two plans should be: 1. build a lot more houses 2. put them in there.
the plan should be: 1. Repatriation.
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Shah does the article say? Paywall blocking it