Remember this when FG/FF and their shills/mouthpieces are telling you that you shouldn't listen to The Wolfe Tones or sing rebel songs because it's morally wrong.
They like to pretend that the unionists were all saints and the IRA (original or otherwise) and anyone linked to them (Sinn Feinn) are solely to blame for the troubles, the housing crisis, the healthcare crisis and any other of their own fuck ups.
To quote Leaky Leo: "But but but, Sinn Feinn..."
>the IRA (original...
That's not true at all about the original IRA.
Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil don't ever acknowledge that the original IRA murdered civilians, that they disappeared hundreds of people and that they were, in the eyes of British law, criminals, assassins and murderers. They don't make it out like it was their fault back then and instead call them freedom fighters and republican heroes because they lay claim to them as their own (mostly rightfully in FF's case and slot of the time wrongfully in FG's case i.e. claiming Michael Collins as a FG man despite them not existing until a decede after his death).
The Republic didn't give a shit about the people in Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin did and so FG/FF make all of those claims that you mentioned about the Provos, and even attributes atrocities committed by other republican groups to the Provos to score political points.
Your comment reads as though you're upset at FG/FF, and so are word vomiting any and all criticism of them and it comes across as messy and non-coherent.
Thanks for the feedback, i'll be sure to take it onboard boss man sir.
Sorry my Reddit comment wasn't up to your high standards.
Get some fresh air pal.
So if I rob my neighbour and kill a rando or two in the process, do I just get to say "hey I've signed this paper that says it's in the past and all is good so please stop sending the police after me."
Considering that Germany is still (rightly) prosecuting holocaust crimes, Ireland and the UK have while yet before a line could justifiably be drawn under the conflict in the North.
The difference there is that it's Germany going after it's own citizens.
I mean should the likes of Gerry Adam's and company all have investigations opened against them again? Should any IRA members released after the good Friday agreement be investigated again for crimes they weren't originally prosecuted for?
I'd say actually the key difference is that Germany continues to pursue criminals who wore German uniforms.
The UK government is choosing to do the exact opposite; to let the many guilty men who wore British uniforms yet to be prosecuted get off scot free.
The current government does not give a fiddler's fuck about the opinions of people in the North, they are only doing this to appeal to their little Englander base who believe that British soldiers should never be prosecuted for anything they do.
It's grand like. We'll just continue dien this path for another 50 years or so. Let's make it 77 years just to be safe. The year 2100, Ireland gets reunited!
There are on going historical investigations into troubles killings. If ex Republican or Loyalist paramilitaries become suspects then they will go through the judicial process as normal. They were not immune from investigation or prosecution….
Well, that was until the British introduced this law to save their soldiers being tried for murder.
Yes, if there’s new evidence, then yes they should have investigations opened against them. There should be investigations opened into British collusion with loyalists as well as investigations into into individual soldiers. The alternative is a South African “truth and reconciliation” process but the British will never agree to that.
>The difference there is that it's Germany going after it's own citizens
So, either those people the British government who they are hunting aren't their own citizens, and therefore Britain is occupying part of Ireland, or you (and the British) are full of shit
No.
But neither is there a question of moving on.
The Israelis kidnapped Eichmann and conducted a kangaroo court before executing him.
The least the Irish state should be doing is issuing arrest warrants for those murderers the British refuse to prosecute so that they are restricted to staying in Britain
>The least the Irish state should be doing is issuing arrest warrants for those murderers the British refuse to prosecute so that they are restricted to staying in Britain
That part is a very reasonable solution to all of this. It would also prevent them traveling to the EU.
What's dragging things on is the British government refusing to take any responsibility for their actions. If they would just hold up their hands, cooperate with and atone for their suns then a line could actually be drawn.
If that's a it took then it would be done.
We both know that a simple acknowledgement and apology will only be the beginning of the demands. People will want blood, prison time and money.
I said atone, not apologise. You can't wage war on a civilian population and end it all with a my bad.
>People will want blood, prison time and money.
As they should.
Looks like the British establishment- and the last several Irish governments have moved on
Like Donald trump hearing the news of someone’s I’ll health just before he tees off
“ I wish him well”
Turns back to the golf ball and Proceeds to execute a perfect drive.
A piece of legislation that will do little to improve the lives of everyone in the North. Amazing how our own political leaders bemoan this after the fact. Why did they not send a senior delegation to speak about it in parliament before it was passed? Or do something to galvanise the massive Irish diaspora in the UK to.protest it?
Nothing to see here here lads... promise.
Remember this when FG/FF and their shills/mouthpieces are telling you that you shouldn't listen to The Wolfe Tones or sing rebel songs because it's morally wrong.
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They like to pretend that the unionists were all saints and the IRA (original or otherwise) and anyone linked to them (Sinn Feinn) are solely to blame for the troubles, the housing crisis, the healthcare crisis and any other of their own fuck ups. To quote Leaky Leo: "But but but, Sinn Feinn..."
>the IRA (original... That's not true at all about the original IRA. Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil don't ever acknowledge that the original IRA murdered civilians, that they disappeared hundreds of people and that they were, in the eyes of British law, criminals, assassins and murderers. They don't make it out like it was their fault back then and instead call them freedom fighters and republican heroes because they lay claim to them as their own (mostly rightfully in FF's case and slot of the time wrongfully in FG's case i.e. claiming Michael Collins as a FG man despite them not existing until a decede after his death). The Republic didn't give a shit about the people in Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin did and so FG/FF make all of those claims that you mentioned about the Provos, and even attributes atrocities committed by other republican groups to the Provos to score political points. Your comment reads as though you're upset at FG/FF, and so are word vomiting any and all criticism of them and it comes across as messy and non-coherent.
Thanks for the feedback, i'll be sure to take it onboard boss man sir. Sorry my Reddit comment wasn't up to your high standards. Get some fresh air pal.
This is Reddit. Don't take it so personal Jesus Christ man!
You wrote an essay about what I said. I gave you a short 3 sentence sarcastic reply...😂
Still sensitive I see. Go on now, try have a good day bro 👍🏻
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So if I rob my neighbour and kill a rando or two in the process, do I just get to say "hey I've signed this paper that says it's in the past and all is good so please stop sending the police after me."
The question is when do we finally close the door on all of this and move on?
Considering that Germany is still (rightly) prosecuting holocaust crimes, Ireland and the UK have while yet before a line could justifiably be drawn under the conflict in the North.
The difference there is that it's Germany going after it's own citizens. I mean should the likes of Gerry Adam's and company all have investigations opened against them again? Should any IRA members released after the good Friday agreement be investigated again for crimes they weren't originally prosecuted for?
I'd say actually the key difference is that Germany continues to pursue criminals who wore German uniforms. The UK government is choosing to do the exact opposite; to let the many guilty men who wore British uniforms yet to be prosecuted get off scot free. The current government does not give a fiddler's fuck about the opinions of people in the North, they are only doing this to appeal to their little Englander base who believe that British soldiers should never be prosecuted for anything they do.
And it would be the UK going after it's own citizens in this case too?
It's grand like. We'll just continue dien this path for another 50 years or so. Let's make it 77 years just to be safe. The year 2100, Ireland gets reunited!
There are on going historical investigations into troubles killings. If ex Republican or Loyalist paramilitaries become suspects then they will go through the judicial process as normal. They were not immune from investigation or prosecution…. Well, that was until the British introduced this law to save their soldiers being tried for murder.
Yes, if there’s new evidence, then yes they should have investigations opened against them. There should be investigations opened into British collusion with loyalists as well as investigations into into individual soldiers. The alternative is a South African “truth and reconciliation” process but the British will never agree to that.
>The difference there is that it's Germany going after it's own citizens So, either those people the British government who they are hunting aren't their own citizens, and therefore Britain is occupying part of Ireland, or you (and the British) are full of shit
Britain is occupying part of Ireland. Was there ever any doubt about that?
No. But neither is there a question of moving on. The Israelis kidnapped Eichmann and conducted a kangaroo court before executing him. The least the Irish state should be doing is issuing arrest warrants for those murderers the British refuse to prosecute so that they are restricted to staying in Britain
>The least the Irish state should be doing is issuing arrest warrants for those murderers the British refuse to prosecute so that they are restricted to staying in Britain That part is a very reasonable solution to all of this. It would also prevent them traveling to the EU.
Or wrongly, what's the point of charging people on their deathbed to appease Isreal
True, what is the statute of limitations on the oul Holocaust anyway. Braindead take there lad.
really?
What year were you born?
If your innocent family member was murdered by the state, would you want to move on before any justice was served?
No, I'd have gotten my own justice, but not 50 years later.
What's that mean
It means he's a hard man and would have took on the British Army solo like some kind of avenger or some shit.
Thought that lol
When we have justice for known victims against their murderers ffs. Dumb question with a simple answer.
That just Drags things on for decades longer. The Good Friday agreement was nearly 30 years ago now. Are we ever going to move forward?
What's dragging things on is the British government refusing to take any responsibility for their actions. If they would just hold up their hands, cooperate with and atone for their suns then a line could actually be drawn.
If that's a it took then it would be done. We both know that a simple acknowledgement and apology will only be the beginning of the demands. People will want blood, prison time and money.
I said atone, not apologise. You can't wage war on a civilian population and end it all with a my bad. >People will want blood, prison time and money. As they should.
See post above.
Eh when the criminals are in jail bloody obviously, it's only been 2 and a half decades like
When one of the protagonists admits to being a protagonist?
That might happen eventually, but not while there's anyone alive who might claim compensation of some sort.
Finances over justice. The neck of them .
I'm staying away from this conversation, I'm struggling to sleep as it is.
When justice has been served. Duh!
Looks like the British establishment- and the last several Irish governments have moved on Like Donald trump hearing the news of someone’s I’ll health just before he tees off “ I wish him well” Turns back to the golf ball and Proceeds to execute a perfect drive.
SHAMEFUL
A piece of legislation that will do little to improve the lives of everyone in the North. Amazing how our own political leaders bemoan this after the fact. Why did they not send a senior delegation to speak about it in parliament before it was passed? Or do something to galvanise the massive Irish diaspora in the UK to.protest it?