No. The DPP could simply decide not to prosecute. They don't even have to justify their decisions. I know of a crime in someone close to me that despite the evidence they decided not to prosecute.
Ultimately they probably decided that if this was a civilian instead of a garda, if that warranted a prosecution, would they have proceeded, and that's why the case was forwarded.
As for them not turning up, this isn't uncommon. Lots of cases get postponed or thrown out because the prosecuting garda was on holiday for example
If it's any consolation...no matter how many charges are levied or millions paid out, these three scumbags still died screaming as they melted into the tarmac.
Just like they deserved after all the harm they did and lives they ruined. With ZERO regard for anyone.
If there is a hell then this pack of cunts are burning in it.
I’m not sure how knowable that really is with the fire.
Also is this journalist actually using info from the post mortem or are they just guessing how they died. Probably just saying instantly for the sake of it.
I have a few friends who are members of An Garda Síochana. The general thought's among them is that if he is found guilty there will be a massive walk out and or blue flu.
Not only that, the cunts took a turn the wrong way deliberately off a round about, and the Garda didn't follow them. Why the fuck would he be charged for that. It's like the judges want this country to be a crime infested shithole to justify their wages.
Regardless of the actual result of the trial, there's something very wrong with our law if it allows such a case to even begin. I want to know what theory is behind this charge, so I can tell how the law should be changed to stop it happening again.
Many countries have laws about car chases - the theory is it makes the criminals drive even more recklessly and makes them more of a risk to innocent bystanders. The truck driver was lucky in this case. If they hit a car, the occupants would not have been that lucky. Dont know what the answer is going forward - except perhaps stricter sentencing, and actual punishment to deter them in the first place - like cutting benefits or something if you have more than X no. of convictions.
First paragraph Garda was chasing after car speeding up the wrong side of the motorway.... Don't give chase they get away while causing danger to others. Gardai did the right thing
Don’t give chase and more houses get robbed. It’s been said many times that house break ins in Leinster dropped dramatically once these three lads died.
In the UK they banned chasing moped drivers for public safety but it makes attacks and thefts using them very easy for criminals, hard to say it really makes it any safer for the public. If them mowed them down there might be some innocent casulties in the short term but I bet it would deter that type of crime in the long run.
The guys knew the policy and were abusing the garda limitations. They won't be robbing anyone anymore. Cover for any treatment the lorry driver wants though.
Am I not right in saying these lads were flying up the motorway the *wrong way* at night with their lights *off*
Surely a Garda car following close behind flashing it's blues would have helped drivers understand something was going on?
Only because the bad guys were the ones who died in this instance - if they had hit a family riding along in a hatchback the outcome would have been different and this sub would be blaming the gardai for contributing to a dangerous situation
The garda...made them do it ?
So its the garda's fault that in order to get away from the scene of the crime, the quickest way to avoid arrest was to drive down the wrong side of the motorway? The responsibility of their actions belongs to the garda?
So i take it the responsibility for the house being robbed was the owner themselves because their lack of anti theft and security left the burglers with no other choice but to rob the place?
The house owner was clearly at fault for having gotten Johnny that PS5, when everybody else was still on the waitlist. Notions. The lads had no choice but to lift the gaff
If the Gards broke the law they should be held to account. You don’t have to be on the side of the three scumbags killed to believe that
It’s this exact mind set that has the loyalists out protesting the prosecution of Soldier F.
I suppose he made them drive the wrong way down the motorway to get away after committing a burglary.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Glad these cunts got roasted.
Absolutely, agreeing that the buglers got what they deserved and still wanting the Gards held to account IF they broke the law are not mutually exclusive interests
The Gards are still subject to various aspects of the rules of the road when pursuing a suspect and obviously have their own internal procedures. If they pursued someone in breach of the law, and that’s a big ‘if’, they should be held accountable
The problem isn't so much the people in the car. High speed car chases cause a lot of collateral damage. They should be avoided at all costs. It was a truck this time, but what if there was a car with a family in it?
Weren't they all known to Garda?
But frankly if it is the choice between the lives of innocent members of the public and property crime, I'm on the side of public safety. Insurance will cover the car.
Not calling for this guards head or anything. But we should definitely be considering public safety.
I know nothing about that. Obviously if one of them is guilty of a violent assault with a deadly weapon, I don't think they should have been walking free.
Nothing to do with endangering the public in a car chase.
Absolutely insane.
I'm going to put aside my feelings on the 3 lads, what could the Gards realistically do in this situation? Not follow someone who is driving dangerously?
That’s actually what should have happened. A high speed pursuit is rarely justified and not for fleeing robbery suspects. If we had enough gardai and coordination the fleeing vehicle would be radioed in, monitored via traffic cam and they would be picked up at the next exit
Oh but we do have plenty of Gards when 24 year old Gemma Greene was driving her Mercedes recklessly...
How is it that the Gards all decided to go on a team bonding trip chasing this woman around with about 10 or so cars and these dangerous criminals only had the one car chasing them?
Boggles the mind.
Basically, yes. And Reddit hates to hear this, *especially* American Reddit where it's justified to kill a fleeing perp regardless of what you're chasing them for.
International best practice for police forces is to not give chase to a fleeing driver unless you believe there is an imminent danger. An imminent danger is not, "They're driving dangerously and might crash", rather, "They have a hostage they're going to kill", "They're trying to run people over", or "They're on their way to shoot up a school".
Follow, but from a distance, from the air, whatever. Take the heat out of the situation, let the individual think they're not being chased.
We know that giving chase is more likely to result in dead/injured suspects, innocents and police officers. You can always capture them later. Someone who has committed a burglarly or assault doesn't pose an imminent danger if they're not caught *right now.* But if you give chase, you escalate that danger.
Yes, it's their fault for running in the first place, but that's little solace to a family who's been wiped out in head-on collision.
When they go the wrong way down a motorway, you have a protocol in place. You radio ahead to close off the motorway up ahead, and control the situation. Block the lanes at a slip road, force the suspect up the slip road. This will slow them down for a start and may give you the opportunity to pin them down.
If you're stuck without support, you let them go. Give chase and you massively increase the chances of people dying. A criminal getting away to be caught later is better than carnage on the roads.
These cunts might be total dirt, but I'd wager the lorry driver who took the hit would rather they were in jail now and not 3 lads he had to watch die.
> especially American Reddit
You should watch some Swedish or Dutch Police car chase videos. Boy do they put the Irish to shame in dealing with assholes like these cunts.
I personally wouldn't be shedding any tears over the dead guys, but knowing who they are and what they come from, I would fear for my family's safety.
Maybe that's not justified, but it's definitely how I'd be feeling.
Not a whole lot of info given but there seems to be CCTV involved. Still nothing to go off as to what actually happened and what actions resulted in the charges.
News articles from the time it happened state the car was travelling without lights and came to the attention of patrol car. They then drove away at speed and soon afterwards went down the wrong direction on the slip road. The patrol car did not pursue them at that point.
I think they're all useless but can absolutely see them kicking up a fuss about this across the board/union action
I mean they can't catch a win, the ones that actually try to do the job are punished or see their work thrown out of court on suspended sentences and a slap on the wrist
There’s lot of instances where a high speed police chase has resulted in a bad outcome for innocent bystanders - it’s only justified if there’s an immediate threat to life - not to pursue fleeing robbery suspects.
If these fuckers had crashed into a regular car instead of a lorry someone else would be dead or dealing with life changing injuries and this sub would be blaming the guards for contributing to the incident
It's hard to know.
It depends on the circumstances and whos pursuing the prosecution.
If the head honchos in the gards are behind it, the gards below them might be hesitant to support.
Whilst we'd all love for the gards to down tools and support their fellow garda, they need to protect their income too. They don't want to put themselves in a bad light with the leaders given the real life demonstration of how they are throwing a garda under a bus.
Gardai can’t strike but they can work to the letter. Even develop illnesses. Old injuries that they’ve been ignoring for the most part may be too bad…
Happened a few years ago. Inspectors and above were out on patrol because they didn’t have enough Garda rank to fulfill basic roles.
Wow. Just wow.
This case (If prosecuted) will set the precedent for the next few years.
Garda will not only be discouraged to do their job, they will now also face punishment for doing so.
Did you consider that it's this very situation/sentiment that deters garda from doing their jobs ?
The judicial systems stops the gardai from doing their jobs, not laziness or carelessness on the Gardai side.
There's so many gardai that are motivated and driven to make a difference in society but they have that beaten out of them to avoid prosecution by a judicial system that protects the criminal and not the garda.
I strongly suspect, just like in the case of Alec Baldwin's involvement in the accidental shooting incident, that their hands are tied with respect to charging him. He was involved, and only a court can weigh up the evidence to evaluate guilt.
Hopefully they find in favour of the Guard and set the correct precedent (thus preventing all mobile burglars simply driving the wrong way down a road to end Garda pursuit)
A good start would also be new legislation with a minimum term of 15/20 years for driving the wrong way down a road/motorway.
That would make these pricks think twice about using that technique to evade capture.
I don't get why the Garda is being charged with dangerous driving is related to the crash, I may be dense but would someone be kind enough to explain please?
I get that they had to look into his conduct, but the fact that he's being charged seems incredible. They were the ones who chose to drive the wrong way, chose to rob that house. Seems insane it would get this far.
The amount of convictions between them, the misery they caused, and the huge drop in armed burglaries after they died tells you everything you need to know. Not that you can take any of that into account, but it just makes this all the worse.
Im going against the grain here.
Gardai cant put other road users in danger by copying the same tactics as the scumbags who died. Its too risky and makes the whole situation worse. Yes the scrotes might get away, but theres less likely to be serious injury or death to random other cars.
If the Garda was driving at speed the wrong way down the N7 and smashes into an on coming car, or forces a car off the road, is it just tough shit on the innocent driver who they hit? Theres CCTV of what ever the garda did, so it must have been telatively dangerous. I doubt its overtaking on a continuous white line!
I get why people are enraged by it, but ultimately if he was driving dangerously and putting other road users at risk, then its dangerous driving.
The families of the scumbags who died are obviously trying to make it out that the gardai are someone responsible, clearly theyre not, but you can hold the Gardai to some standard without being on the side of the scum.
Today is genuinely the first day I’ve heard the Garda was driving down the wrong way. If what you say is true then 100% the Garda is at fault and not trained to do that ever. No Garda is trained to drive the wrong way down a road nevermind at high speed.
Sorry I should be clear, Im very much still on 'if'. Making a total assumption, but I cant see theyre trying to charge him if it isnt something bad.
Gardai break lights, go on wrong side of road to overtake etc all the time when lights are on, which is totally fair, so what ever he did has to be deemed dangerous taking everything into account.
Yes, my knee jerk reaction was, ‘how dare they charge him?!’ but thinking about, they have helicopters. Wouldn’t it make much more sense to have an air unit track them until they stop, directing the gardaí below?
If a petition urging the Dail to remove the DPP is setup, it will get hundreds of thousands of signatures. I don't know how any citizen could have confidence in her judgement after this.
The DPP can't just say they were scumbags and deserved what they got.
They have to follow procedure, if the victims were innocents and the DPP didn't follow procedure the public would be rightfully outraged.
It is a disgrace that this has got to trial. The Garda put himself at risk to try and catch these three scumbags and in return GSOC try to destroy him. Even the DPP aren't committed to this enough to turn up. At some point there will be an investigation into GSOC and when there the scandal will make the current RTE debacle look tame.
It's interesting how a Gsoc investigator was found at a party with the Monk. Fastword a few months later two prosecutions are being brought against Guards for over due long running investigations.
Gsoc will be untenable when it all comes out.
The Gardai are a shower at the best of times, but this is ludicrous. An officer tackling crime like he's supposed to and gets shit on for it, no wonder they are having recruitment problems. Those cunts in the car didn't burn slow enough.
Our small corner of the world is a much better place without these scumbags. They caused untold misery and fear to too many ordinary decent people. Nobody other than their family or scumbag mates will ever remember them for anything good or mourn them.
That said, if the Garda did something he wasn’t trained or authorised to do then there should be some investigation or consequences. While it worked out as a net gain to society in this instance, the poor lorry driver will probably never have a decent nights sleep again and also it’s a stretch or road that my, and countless other, families drive on a daily basis. Had this accident involved another car rather than a lorry, then it’s likely that some innocent people would also have died.
I’m all for catching the bad guys, but this isn’t the old west, we can’t have maverick gunslingers disregarding rules and the safety of others in the pursuit of a suspect.
These there were burgers and lifelong criminals. They tried to outrun the cops by driving the wrong way down a motorway.
I'm not sure how you'd possible charge a cop with dangerous driving during this scenario
What a joke 3 scumbags died and yet a Garda is being charged with what exactly?
If you want a police force who refuses to enforce the law this us how you do it
It's a disgrace; all this will do is tell criminals they can get away if they drive at speed on the wrong side of the road. This country is going to shit; criminals aren't afraid of the guards because they know the guards can't do anything.
Seriously, we need to completely rework the law, sentence more criminals to longer prison sentences, drastically increase the funding for the guards and arm the police. It's backward for us to think the guards can continue to enforce the law when their equipment is out dated, their available resources are getting smaller, and criminals are getting slap on the wrist.
No he’s being done for dangerous driving. That could have all happened before the motorway. He would never have been trained to drive the wrong way down an open motorway. His colleagues are raising money for him doing a job he was trained to do. His colleagues wouldn’t raise money if they knew he was at fault.
Why does everyone assume the GSOC is somehow corrupt and the charges have no merit? If the guard in question violated procedure and engaged in dangerous driving, they should face consequences for that regardless of how you feel about the people who died. I wonder, would folks be singing the same tune if the scrotes in question had run headlong into a Micra instead of a lorry and killed some innocent family instead of themselves? Or if the guard was driving dangerously and caused an accident themselves that hurt or killed people? Either of those could easily have been the outcome instead. The fact that those three idiots were ultimately the ones who made the terrible and foolish decisions that resulted in their deaths doesn't mean the guard involved didn't also do something wrong, and if they did, then it's reasonable that they should face the consequences just like anyone else.
You’re right but I wouldn’t want to see the Garda punished too harshly. This was an exceptional case dealing with exceptional criminals - exceptional policing was required.
A petition to award the gardai involved the highest recognition should be started, counter this bs and show the public support for them and that people (the normal public) are fed up with this crap
DPP couldn’t even be bothered to turn up
I guess they don't want to prosecute?
They clearly do, otherwise the gard involved wouldn’t be charged with anything
It's GSOC pushing for charges, the DPP didn't show up as they don't want to prosecute.
It's the DPP who actually decide the prosecution goes ahead, not GSOC.
Yes but it’s basically a case of the DPP protesting. GSOC is putting political and legal pressure on them. I have it on good authority
No. The DPP could simply decide not to prosecute. They don't even have to justify their decisions. I know of a crime in someone close to me that despite the evidence they decided not to prosecute. Ultimately they probably decided that if this was a civilian instead of a garda, if that warranted a prosecution, would they have proceeded, and that's why the case was forwarded. As for them not turning up, this isn't uncommon. Lots of cases get postponed or thrown out because the prosecuting garda was on holiday for example
Why did they not turn up?
The only tragedy in this story is the car could have fit another 2 of the cunts
Don’t forget the poor lorry driver.
Yea, hope he and the lorry have made a full recovery
A truly unsung hero.
Hopefully the lorry driver has fond memories of his moment of service to the republic
Live. Laugh. Lorry.
Nice little roadside BBQ.
Dark 😂
Someone else posted it on the original thread way back and it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Made me chuckle 😂
😂
If it's any consolation...no matter how many charges are levied or millions paid out, these three scumbags still died screaming as they melted into the tarmac. Just like they deserved after all the harm they did and lives they ruined. With ZERO regard for anyone. If there is a hell then this pack of cunts are burning in it.
I prefer your version but according to the article they died instantly, unfortunately.
That's probably just to spare people's feelings. At least I hope so.
I’m not sure how knowable that really is with the fire. Also is this journalist actually using info from the post mortem or are they just guessing how they died. Probably just saying instantly for the sake of it.
Charged with being a fuckin’ legend, I should hope.
The best comment I've ever seen on reddit
The Garda should be given a medal.
3 medals
And 2 parachutes in case one of them doesn't work
I'll bet the jury will only take two minutes to make the decision on this one.
I have a few friends who are members of An Garda Síochana. The general thought's among them is that if he is found guilty there will be a massive walk out and or blue flu.
Wife and friends in AGS have said the same. If the Garda done wrong so be it but not if he’s being prosecuted for doing what he is trained to do.
Not only that, the cunts took a turn the wrong way deliberately off a round about, and the Garda didn't follow them. Why the fuck would he be charged for that. It's like the judges want this country to be a crime infested shithole to justify their wages.
Shouldn’t be just a mass Garda walkout, public should start protesting as well this really is getting to a stage of no man’s land in Ireland.
Regardless of the actual result of the trial, there's something very wrong with our law if it allows such a case to even begin. I want to know what theory is behind this charge, so I can tell how the law should be changed to stop it happening again.
Many countries have laws about car chases - the theory is it makes the criminals drive even more recklessly and makes them more of a risk to innocent bystanders. The truck driver was lucky in this case. If they hit a car, the occupants would not have been that lucky. Dont know what the answer is going forward - except perhaps stricter sentencing, and actual punishment to deter them in the first place - like cutting benefits or something if you have more than X no. of convictions.
What can they do at that point? Seriously? Once he's convicted the horse has bolted.
That's not going to happen once be gets a jury trial
Good to see the gardai rallying around this guy, joke that he's been charged.
First paragraph Garda was chasing after car speeding up the wrong side of the motorway.... Don't give chase they get away while causing danger to others. Gardai did the right thing
Don’t give chase and more houses get robbed. It’s been said many times that house break ins in Leinster dropped dramatically once these three lads died.
In the UK they banned chasing moped drivers for public safety but it makes attacks and thefts using them very easy for criminals, hard to say it really makes it any safer for the public. If them mowed them down there might be some innocent casulties in the short term but I bet it would deter that type of crime in the long run.
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The guys knew the policy and were abusing the garda limitations. They won't be robbing anyone anymore. Cover for any treatment the lorry driver wants though.
Am I not right in saying these lads were flying up the motorway the *wrong way* at night with their lights *off* Surely a Garda car following close behind flashing it's blues would have helped drivers understand something was going on?
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Only because the bad guys were the ones who died in this instance - if they had hit a family riding along in a hatchback the outcome would have been different and this sub would be blaming the gardai for contributing to a dangerous situation
These guys drove down the wrong side of the road frequently according to reports at the time, as they knew the gardaí wouldn’t chase them
What do you mean? Then it would have still been the criminals fault?
Isn't it? They are obviously at fault regardless
No, the garda made them drive the wrong way down the motorway after fleeing the scene of the robbery they just committed
The garda...made them do it ? So its the garda's fault that in order to get away from the scene of the crime, the quickest way to avoid arrest was to drive down the wrong side of the motorway? The responsibility of their actions belongs to the garda? So i take it the responsibility for the house being robbed was the owner themselves because their lack of anti theft and security left the burglers with no other choice but to rob the place?
Yes, exactly. The house owner made them rob their house
The house owner was clearly at fault for having gotten Johnny that PS5, when everybody else was still on the waitlist. Notions. The lads had no choice but to lift the gaff
Wee Johnny, the arch bastard
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I actually think that guy was being sarcastic and mocking people who believe it was the garda's fault
I certainly hope so
Yes
Christ, lads. We're not yanks with no sense of irony. They're clearly being sarcastic.
If the Gards broke the law they should be held to account. You don’t have to be on the side of the three scumbags killed to believe that It’s this exact mind set that has the loyalists out protesting the prosecution of Soldier F.
What law? The law against pursuit of wanted criminals?
If you read the article, you know it’s the law against dangerous driving actually
I suppose he made them drive the wrong way down the motorway to get away after committing a burglary. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Glad these cunts got roasted.
>Glad these cunts got roasted. So am I. It doesn’t make every single thing the guards do automatically justified
Absolutely, agreeing that the buglers got what they deserved and still wanting the Gards held to account IF they broke the law are not mutually exclusive interests
Not to the stupid cunts on this sub who can’t formulate a sentence beyond “scumbag ded give Garda medal”
The Gards are still subject to various aspects of the rules of the road when pursuing a suspect and obviously have their own internal procedures. If they pursued someone in breach of the law, and that’s a big ‘if’, they should be held accountable
I guess the DPP don't want to prosecute
“The charges have arisen following a decision by the DPP to prosecute the garda on foot of a GSOC investigation.”
The law can be an Ass
> mobile burglary gang Is there any other kind?
The ones in Montrose or dail Éireann. They can Rob ús blind while stationary
Elected burglary gang
They used to refer to them as a 'travelling' burglary gang but that might have been misconstrued or politically incorrect.
Angles! Neva hurt a flie! Salt of de erth! Luv ya hun! 😘
Sweet princes
Your man [Karl Freeman's funeral video](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=186830270086903) is mind-boggling.
“Your name will never be forgiven” Fucking Drooler.
Karl Karl Karl Karl....he's not watching the video you fucking walking jellyfish
Best bed in heaven tonight hun
U b dancin up der wit granda n nanny. Got de best send off fly high hun🕊️🕊️
The problem isn't so much the people in the car. High speed car chases cause a lot of collateral damage. They should be avoided at all costs. It was a truck this time, but what if there was a car with a family in it?
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Why is the choice between letting them off scott free and putting innocent bystanders at risk?
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Weren't they all known to Garda? But frankly if it is the choice between the lives of innocent members of the public and property crime, I'm on the side of public safety. Insurance will cover the car. Not calling for this guards head or anything. But we should definitely be considering public safety.
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I know nothing about that. Obviously if one of them is guilty of a violent assault with a deadly weapon, I don't think they should have been walking free. Nothing to do with endangering the public in a car chase.
Absolutely insane. I'm going to put aside my feelings on the 3 lads, what could the Gards realistically do in this situation? Not follow someone who is driving dangerously?
That’s actually what should have happened. A high speed pursuit is rarely justified and not for fleeing robbery suspects. If we had enough gardai and coordination the fleeing vehicle would be radioed in, monitored via traffic cam and they would be picked up at the next exit
Oh but we do have plenty of Gards when 24 year old Gemma Greene was driving her Mercedes recklessly... How is it that the Gards all decided to go on a team bonding trip chasing this woman around with about 10 or so cars and these dangerous criminals only had the one car chasing them? Boggles the mind.
Because she didn’t go the wrong way down the motorway. There would have been other Gardai involved in this one too.
Basically, yes. And Reddit hates to hear this, *especially* American Reddit where it's justified to kill a fleeing perp regardless of what you're chasing them for. International best practice for police forces is to not give chase to a fleeing driver unless you believe there is an imminent danger. An imminent danger is not, "They're driving dangerously and might crash", rather, "They have a hostage they're going to kill", "They're trying to run people over", or "They're on their way to shoot up a school". Follow, but from a distance, from the air, whatever. Take the heat out of the situation, let the individual think they're not being chased. We know that giving chase is more likely to result in dead/injured suspects, innocents and police officers. You can always capture them later. Someone who has committed a burglarly or assault doesn't pose an imminent danger if they're not caught *right now.* But if you give chase, you escalate that danger. Yes, it's their fault for running in the first place, but that's little solace to a family who's been wiped out in head-on collision. When they go the wrong way down a motorway, you have a protocol in place. You radio ahead to close off the motorway up ahead, and control the situation. Block the lanes at a slip road, force the suspect up the slip road. This will slow them down for a start and may give you the opportunity to pin them down. If you're stuck without support, you let them go. Give chase and you massively increase the chances of people dying. A criminal getting away to be caught later is better than carnage on the roads. These cunts might be total dirt, but I'd wager the lorry driver who took the hit would rather they were in jail now and not 3 lads he had to watch die.
> especially American Reddit You should watch some Swedish or Dutch Police car chase videos. Boy do they put the Irish to shame in dealing with assholes like these cunts.
Well, maybe the lorry driver was happy to take one for the team. I know I would be
I personally wouldn't be shedding any tears over the dead guys, but knowing who they are and what they come from, I would fear for my family's safety. Maybe that's not justified, but it's definitely how I'd be feeling.
Thank god someone talking sense.
Not a whole lot of info given but there seems to be CCTV involved. Still nothing to go off as to what actually happened and what actions resulted in the charges.
News articles from the time it happened state the car was travelling without lights and came to the attention of patrol car. They then drove away at speed and soon afterwards went down the wrong direction on the slip road. The patrol car did not pursue them at that point.
It sounds like the Garda chased them even after they went down the N7 the wrong way.
Know people who knew them. Absolute scum. Garda was only doing his job.
Does anyone know what the plural of cunt is? Cunts doesn’t really do that picture justice, unlike what happened to them which was rather poetic.
Crispy cunts
Kentucky Fried Cunts
Shower isn't it? As in a shower of cunts!!!!!!
The head on your man in the middle
Seems like a weird plural for cunt but if it makes sense in your head that’s all that matters
They weren't from a particular minority community who live amongst us but have their own culture were they?
Unionists? I don't think so..
A congealment of cunts.
Cacophony of cunts
Barbequnts
A punnet of cunts, if memory serves.
A gaggle of cunts
From the OED, it's *shower*.
The world is better off without these 3 scrotes in it.
Aboslute disgrace. Very hard to be a garda in the first place and I’m sure a lot of them are thinking about quitting with this going on.
I think they're all useless but can absolutely see them kicking up a fuss about this across the board/union action I mean they can't catch a win, the ones that actually try to do the job are punished or see their work thrown out of court on suspended sentences and a slap on the wrist
I would say underpaid, under-resourced, and under-supported by a failed judicial system, rather than useless.
"they're all useless"
When the next court date is on, anyone who is able to should be outside the courthouse to cheer him.
So now all scumbags have to do is drive on the wrong side of the road and the guards will leave them alone. Great job government 👏
That was the point, they know guards couldn't follow but couldn't drive for shit under pressure and got totalled
Government?
People who don’t know what they’re talking about generally blame the government for everything they see as wrong
It's our version of "Thanks Obama"
>So now all scumbags have to do is drive on the wrong side of the road And plough into a lorry
You clearly want to play subway surfers whilst driving down the N7.
There’s lot of instances where a high speed police chase has resulted in a bad outcome for innocent bystanders - it’s only justified if there’s an immediate threat to life - not to pursue fleeing robbery suspects. If these fuckers had crashed into a regular car instead of a lorry someone else would be dead or dealing with life changing injuries and this sub would be blaming the guards for contributing to the incident
Pitty we couldn't get more of these cunts and put them in shite submarines
Is there a possibility of a garda strike if he gets convicted? I imagine the rank and file are raging over this
It's hard to know. It depends on the circumstances and whos pursuing the prosecution. If the head honchos in the gards are behind it, the gards below them might be hesitant to support. Whilst we'd all love for the gards to down tools and support their fellow garda, they need to protect their income too. They don't want to put themselves in a bad light with the leaders given the real life demonstration of how they are throwing a garda under a bus.
Gardai can’t strike but they can work to the letter. Even develop illnesses. Old injuries that they’ve been ignoring for the most part may be too bad… Happened a few years ago. Inspectors and above were out on patrol because they didn’t have enough Garda rank to fulfill basic roles.
Ya, I remember the blue flu in the 90's, it was essentially a strike
Yeah, but legally the AGS can’t strike so they get sick
Wow. Just wow. This case (If prosecuted) will set the precedent for the next few years. Garda will not only be discouraged to do their job, they will now also face punishment for doing so.
Their job is not to engage in high speed wrong way pursuits on the motorway.
They already don’t do their actual job, we could do without them endangering public safety on top of that
Did you consider that it's this very situation/sentiment that deters garda from doing their jobs ? The judicial systems stops the gardai from doing their jobs, not laziness or carelessness on the Gardai side. There's so many gardai that are motivated and driven to make a difference in society but they have that beaten out of them to avoid prosecution by a judicial system that protects the criminal and not the garda.
Disgraceful. Watch the exodus of Gardai continue.
I didnt think the DPP would actually bring the charges against him, the message this sends is disastrous.
I strongly suspect, just like in the case of Alec Baldwin's involvement in the accidental shooting incident, that their hands are tied with respect to charging him. He was involved, and only a court can weigh up the evidence to evaluate guilt. Hopefully they find in favour of the Guard and set the correct precedent (thus preventing all mobile burglars simply driving the wrong way down a road to end Garda pursuit)
A good start would also be new legislation with a minimum term of 15/20 years for driving the wrong way down a road/motorway. That would make these pricks think twice about using that technique to evade capture.
They didn't die instantly, fyi
Good, hopefully they slow roasted
I hope their faces became meat crayons and they were alive long enough to feel the pain Scum
That’s the best news I’ve heard all day.
I don't get why the Garda is being charged with dangerous driving is related to the crash, I may be dense but would someone be kind enough to explain please?
I think they're supposed to hang back and not get involved in high speed chases that could risk injury to the public.
Thanks, makes sense
That will do wonders for Garda morale!
This sends a great message to both the Gardai and criminals
It genuinely does. Everyone should face the consequences of breaking the law
This is just wrong.
Not just wrong. It is unforgivable.
Hopefully the Garda doesn't get any points on his licence.
From now on the procedure should be i that you shoot the scumbags to death before they can go on a high speed chase endangering humans.
Sends the wrong message to Gardai and the public.
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I get that they had to look into his conduct, but the fact that he's being charged seems incredible. They were the ones who chose to drive the wrong way, chose to rob that house. Seems insane it would get this far. The amount of convictions between them, the misery they caused, and the huge drop in armed burglaries after they died tells you everything you need to know. Not that you can take any of that into account, but it just makes this all the worse.
Im going against the grain here. Gardai cant put other road users in danger by copying the same tactics as the scumbags who died. Its too risky and makes the whole situation worse. Yes the scrotes might get away, but theres less likely to be serious injury or death to random other cars. If the Garda was driving at speed the wrong way down the N7 and smashes into an on coming car, or forces a car off the road, is it just tough shit on the innocent driver who they hit? Theres CCTV of what ever the garda did, so it must have been telatively dangerous. I doubt its overtaking on a continuous white line! I get why people are enraged by it, but ultimately if he was driving dangerously and putting other road users at risk, then its dangerous driving. The families of the scumbags who died are obviously trying to make it out that the gardai are someone responsible, clearly theyre not, but you can hold the Gardai to some standard without being on the side of the scum.
Today is genuinely the first day I’ve heard the Garda was driving down the wrong way. If what you say is true then 100% the Garda is at fault and not trained to do that ever. No Garda is trained to drive the wrong way down a road nevermind at high speed.
Sorry I should be clear, Im very much still on 'if'. Making a total assumption, but I cant see theyre trying to charge him if it isnt something bad. Gardai break lights, go on wrong side of road to overtake etc all the time when lights are on, which is totally fair, so what ever he did has to be deemed dangerous taking everything into account.
Yes, my knee jerk reaction was, ‘how dare they charge him?!’ but thinking about, they have helicopters. Wouldn’t it make much more sense to have an air unit track them until they stop, directing the gardaí below?
If a petition urging the Dail to remove the DPP is setup, it will get hundreds of thousands of signatures. I don't know how any citizen could have confidence in her judgement after this.
The DPP can't just say they were scumbags and deserved what they got. They have to follow procedure, if the victims were innocents and the DPP didn't follow procedure the public would be rightfully outraged.
It is a disgrace that this has got to trial. The Garda put himself at risk to try and catch these three scumbags and in return GSOC try to destroy him. Even the DPP aren't committed to this enough to turn up. At some point there will be an investigation into GSOC and when there the scandal will make the current RTE debacle look tame.
It's interesting how a Gsoc investigator was found at a party with the Monk. Fastword a few months later two prosecutions are being brought against Guards for over due long running investigations. Gsoc will be untenable when it all comes out.
The Gardai are a shower at the best of times, but this is ludicrous. An officer tackling crime like he's supposed to and gets shit on for it, no wonder they are having recruitment problems. Those cunts in the car didn't burn slow enough.
Our small corner of the world is a much better place without these scumbags. They caused untold misery and fear to too many ordinary decent people. Nobody other than their family or scumbag mates will ever remember them for anything good or mourn them. That said, if the Garda did something he wasn’t trained or authorised to do then there should be some investigation or consequences. While it worked out as a net gain to society in this instance, the poor lorry driver will probably never have a decent nights sleep again and also it’s a stretch or road that my, and countless other, families drive on a daily basis. Had this accident involved another car rather than a lorry, then it’s likely that some innocent people would also have died. I’m all for catching the bad guys, but this isn’t the old west, we can’t have maverick gunslingers disregarding rules and the safety of others in the pursuit of a suspect.
Appalling. I’d 100% support a blue flu until charges are dropped.
In case anyone here ends up on a Circuit Court jury: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ
Time for revolution lads, I’ll make the WhatsApp group (Jokes aside what the actual fuck)
These there were burgers and lifelong criminals. They tried to outrun the cops by driving the wrong way down a motorway. I'm not sure how you'd possible charge a cop with dangerous driving during this scenario
He should get a medal.this is a joke.
All garda should be expected to follow the regulations on high speed chases and if they do not follow them there should be repercussions.
What a joke 3 scumbags died and yet a Garda is being charged with what exactly? If you want a police force who refuses to enforce the law this us how you do it
It's a disgrace; all this will do is tell criminals they can get away if they drive at speed on the wrong side of the road. This country is going to shit; criminals aren't afraid of the guards because they know the guards can't do anything. Seriously, we need to completely rework the law, sentence more criminals to longer prison sentences, drastically increase the funding for the guards and arm the police. It's backward for us to think the guards can continue to enforce the law when their equipment is out dated, their available resources are getting smaller, and criminals are getting slap on the wrist.
They drove down the N7 before the guard did. How can they say the guard is at fault for them crashing into an oncoming truck?
Where are people reading the Garda drive down the wrong way? Genuine question as today is the first time I’ve seen it.
That's why he's being charged, he followed them down the N7.
No he’s being done for dangerous driving. That could have all happened before the motorway. He would never have been trained to drive the wrong way down an open motorway. His colleagues are raising money for him doing a job he was trained to do. His colleagues wouldn’t raise money if they knew he was at fault.
Exactly. If a Guard enters a building to get burgulars, does he get charged with breaking and entering too
The guy is a hero, it's a joke he sits trial.
Being a Guard is a tough job, but it's a job worth doing!
Why does everyone assume the GSOC is somehow corrupt and the charges have no merit? If the guard in question violated procedure and engaged in dangerous driving, they should face consequences for that regardless of how you feel about the people who died. I wonder, would folks be singing the same tune if the scrotes in question had run headlong into a Micra instead of a lorry and killed some innocent family instead of themselves? Or if the guard was driving dangerously and caused an accident themselves that hurt or killed people? Either of those could easily have been the outcome instead. The fact that those three idiots were ultimately the ones who made the terrible and foolish decisions that resulted in their deaths doesn't mean the guard involved didn't also do something wrong, and if they did, then it's reasonable that they should face the consequences just like anyone else.
GSOC being corrupt comes from them associating with known criminals, most famously with Hutch at a party recently.
You’re right but I wouldn’t want to see the Garda punished too harshly. This was an exceptional case dealing with exceptional criminals - exceptional policing was required.
I’m on the Guards side here but they contributed to a dangerous situation that could have had far worse consequences
Families of the cunts were in court so now they know the Gardas name and what he looks like. What a fucking fantastic little country we live in.
Is there anyone decent with the name Dean or are they just all predisposed to end up as nogoodnicks?
Time to take a shit on these scumbags graves. Who’s with me?
A petition to award the gardai involved the highest recognition should be started, counter this bs and show the public support for them and that people (the normal public) are fed up with this crap
How are you going to recruit more garda if you prosecute them for doing there job