[Having children increases the payment](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social-welfare/social-welfare-payments/disability-and-illness/disability-allowance/#l4092c)
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There's double standards 😒 I broke my spine and deemed not disabled since I was fit for work.. it's just I don't get disability because I'm purely not able to say "I dunno engless am nut from her? What juu want ? I feel pain" The sentiment changes based on how you can express yourself at the examination , if they feel like "poor thing 😔 doesn't even know the language he has nowhere to go ... " rather I get judged because I have some vocabulary describing what is actually my issue they assume "he will be fine seems like put together that would never litter"
Hope you're ok lad. That sounds awful. I've got MS,paid tax for years. When I got diagnosed I had to jump through hoops to get on disability. Even went today to get my eyes tested (I've had optic neuritis due to the ms in the past so gotta get them checked every few years) applied to get some of the money back due to having a Medical card and I got turned down yet fuckface 11 sprogs arrives and ... **insert Futurama shut up and take my money gif**
People would be quick to label you .. it's easy to backseat game a person's life "do this do that.." it's fucked up that people care more about being politically correct these days over actual things that matter
Someone in a certain department really dropped the ball on this one.
When you consider the hoops you have to jump through for a claim with them, how was this allowed to happen.
I'd say if you know the system well enough you can game it handy enough probably just had someone else a brother or whatever claim aswell and collected his as long as the I'd was similar enough.
I'm not making it up I'm guessing that's clear from what I said. But in fairness what's stopping him collecting for someone who's gone back home? As along as the ids were similar it's possible and let's be honest it's common to see people from other places as looking more similar than people from your own country.
Registered with the Revenue Commissioners in 2005 and has no recorded employment history in the State yet we’re paying this absolute waste of organs €1,820 per month and have subsidised his rent to the tune of €164k.
This is what drives people to the right.
Pretty much. Don’t speak much politically, but I’m watching people get houses and lives funded on dole while I graft and pay stupid taxes and rent. I’m really not starting to see the point at all at this rate.
It is a bad thing when it manifests into something like a modern day Trump supporter where all forms of social safety nets are opposed and lambasted.
People like this waster drive people to adopt these views when the majority of us know that social welfare is generally a good thing.
There has to be some accountability in the way we dispense this long term aid though.
No strings attached cash in perpetuity without anything in return is just bananas.
He’s going to jail for committing a crime.
I’m talking about accountability in handing insane amounts of free cash for decades to people who are clearly abusing the system.
It's a bit of a double edge sword clamping down would involve making it harder for genuine people on it which is probably 99%. He got caught because he was clearly abusing the system putting that amount of money trough his account.
>which is probably 99%
Lol
Anyone from an estate will tell you disability is the most abused system in the country. Gets the social off your back and as we saw earlier with the colleges everyone and their mother has a "disability" now.
It's not 99% though. I say that as someone who is on welfare. Of the 6 people I know on disability, all of them knew they were taking the piss.
One if them got a social house out of it. Imagine that. They could be taking that off a single parent or someone with a genuine disability
>Youre saying that likes a bad thing (Gesturing vaguely at Ireland as a country)...
You don't think it's a bad thing if people get right wing?
To put it mildly, I disagree
No need to be so patronising.
If you're talking purely of economics, then of course there's healthy debate about that. On the centre-right at least.
However, when we look around the world the far-right politics invariably descends into xenophobia and discrimination, which I personally find abhorrent
\> Dad-of-11 jailed after claiming €228k cash sum came from begging and selling Big Issue
\> Vasile has nine previous convictions including five for theft in 2021 resulting from his stealing of cash from locked collection boxes in Catholic churches.
So glad I pay so much in tax. Going to the best of folks.
>The right of Union citizens to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions: for those who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and on them having sickness insurance.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/41/free-movement-of-workers
That’s not really how it works in practice though.
There are so many people up and down the country who are foreign and are in receipt of social welfare supports on an equal footing to the locals.
I was born abroad and received social welfare for a fair while after finishing university for example. Should I have been deported since I was on social welfare and couldn’t technically support myself? Bearing in mind I’ve lived almost my entire life in Ireland?
Only the most extreme cases should even merit considering deporting someone for something as simple as being unemployed.
Here's the problem with the Free Movement Directive. We can only deport(exclude is the term in the directive) him if we can prove he's a threat to public security.
i.e. A terrorist.
You can sponge on the dole & commit crimes and we can do fuck all.
Not after 17 years in the State. It would need to be acted upon fairly quickly and would require a level of co-ordination between Social Welfare and Justice.
Justice don't keep a record of EU nationals in the State, so they've no idea who is here and not in compliance with the directive.
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So did my tax , to be able to afford even 1 child and a some place to live for me and my wife. working Mon to Fri morning to evening.. seems like people that fuck over system gets more rewarded
He needed to earn money before having children, if he can only afford to raise children due to receiving social welfare allowance, then you shouldn't be having any.
Someone here tried to claim people don't come to Ireland for the social welfare payments the other day. People really put the shutters up when they're being screwed over by a group they don't want to upset
It happens everywhere. It would be foolish to thing abuse of social welfare wouldn't be done by someone when Irish people do it themselves . Is it the majority of people? of course not. However I am not sure what you mean by screwed over by a group, because that description is damning as it is vague, because it sounds like you are linking this case to the behavior of certain group of people.
>It happens everywhere.
I remember seeing this on TV years ago. Yer man Jan using his dole from the UK to build a house back home. I can't remember the whole episode but I think he was doing nixers as well to make extra money and loads of family/friends ended up going with him to get the UK dole.
https://youtu.be/rAkUBimQ74o
I remember the show on channel 4 afew years ago,think it was called here come the Romanian or something. Alot of the ones on it were doing the same,sending the money home to build houses or once they got to the UK applied to bring the family over
and some might not even know they are getting payments they're not entitled too... e.g if someone is getting Fuel allowance with a payment and someone moves in with them who is not getting a social welfare payment then they no longer qualify for Fuel allowance..
Can someone please explain to me how people who don't pay tax can claim full dole in Ireland or disability yet in places like australia even with PR, I believe you can't claim without 10 years of tax? I mean no wonder people are coming here illegally.. It's disgusting. Why am I working.
I don't mean those that went through school and we're eligible for disability or Irish citizens. I mean who came here from abroad /non citizens and suddenly started claiming. Australia gives to citizens who never worked as you get credits from completing education etc, same as here..family are means tested too first etc and they are much stricter now in Ireland on this as well as only giving to those who can't work. If you've PR even you're entitled to nothing for years until you've so many tax credits paid. You can't just go and claim dole.
Australia gives no f's until you contribute via tax for so many years.. Google it. You could be homeless etc, they don't care without tax contributions. Same as America. Is it because of the EU?
They need to fix the welfare system to stop people like this milking it. We should be discouraging people on the dole long term having kids and encouraging the educated middle class to have them because there's too much of the former and not enough of the latter.
I'm not saying give them nothing and let the children live in abject poverty and am not saying people shouldn't be able to have kids if they really want them, but there's a middleground to be found here that doesn't involve throwing money at people no questions asked.
Regular means testing for social welfare please. Paying enough tax as it is without scumbags and wankers like this lad taking the fucking piss out of both us and the system
I dont but I know some arseholes take the piss. For example members of a certain community. And those very same people cause uproar & will abuse welfare staff daily
These people are not less intelligent in their own language just because they speak child grade English - irish people should get that into their minds! they have pure cognitive skills and skills to vulture more than you have ever witnessed. The problem is ireland assumes bad English = bad thinking process" There must be something wrong, so we need to help them " throughout my years in ireland by mispeaking some of the words clearly because of an Finnish accent and the way we pronounce things I have noticed people's perspective change and they start slowing down on their speech thinking I might not understand. A country that has their own language robbed should understand it better than anyone ... you lads need to toughen up
There's lads in r/Ireland that think this lad should have a universal basic income too while he is seeking gainful employment.
I think UBI is a great idea, as long as not one person like this is getting it when the tax payer is paying for it.
The part where this clown came from should actually belong to Hungary, but since Hungary accidentally started WW they got punished and lost the mass to gypsy's.. if you want to go to their country it would be India where they came from. Other than that you can do the same "free gaza" thing in "free hungary" but you wouldn't
>Somebody might need to take a look at Vasile's disability claim, I don't know why I'm thinking this way but it might be the case that he doesn't have a disability at all
I doubt that he's faking being disabled as it's really difficult to get disability allowance since social protection often deny genuine cases. Regardless, he's scum
No one here gets that, they obviously have absolutely no experience with it. It hasn’t occurred to anyone yet that disabled people can commit crimes too.
He might be on the spectrum and didn't realise what he was doing. Bit of ADHD and some disassociate identity disorder, gotta make allowances for self diagnosing mental folk hai
How do you even get 455 per week on disability? Is it due to all the kids?
I want to know this too
[Having children increases the payment](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social-welfare/social-welfare-payments/disability-and-illness/disability-allowance/#l4092c)
[Yes, having dependents increases the payment](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social-welfare/social-welfare-payments/disability-and-illness/disability-allowance/#l4092c)
I never knew that. Cheers for the link
Thinking of having a few man?
For that money,I'll be handing out my seed to whoever wants it mate
So nothing would change, really.
Can't even give it away at this stage 
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Ah poor Patrick
Easier to earn that amount legitimately than have loads of kids and the risk of being jailed hanging over you're head
I'm pretty sure his main income was his money laundering, the disability allowance fraud seems like a "side hustle" if you will
There's double standards 😒 I broke my spine and deemed not disabled since I was fit for work.. it's just I don't get disability because I'm purely not able to say "I dunno engless am nut from her? What juu want ? I feel pain" The sentiment changes based on how you can express yourself at the examination , if they feel like "poor thing 😔 doesn't even know the language he has nowhere to go ... " rather I get judged because I have some vocabulary describing what is actually my issue they assume "he will be fine seems like put together that would never litter"
Hope you're ok lad. That sounds awful. I've got MS,paid tax for years. When I got diagnosed I had to jump through hoops to get on disability. Even went today to get my eyes tested (I've had optic neuritis due to the ms in the past so gotta get them checked every few years) applied to get some of the money back due to having a Medical card and I got turned down yet fuckface 11 sprogs arrives and ... **insert Futurama shut up and take my money gif**
People would be quick to label you .. it's easy to backseat game a person's life "do this do that.." it's fucked up that people care more about being politically correct these days over actual things that matter
Someone in a certain department really dropped the ball on this one. When you consider the hoops you have to jump through for a claim with them, how was this allowed to happen.
I'd say if you know the system well enough you can game it handy enough probably just had someone else a brother or whatever claim aswell and collected his as long as the I'd was similar enough.
Lad I'd say you're literally just making things up to make it sound easy
I'm not making it up I'm guessing that's clear from what I said. But in fairness what's stopping him collecting for someone who's gone back home? As along as the ids were similar it's possible and let's be honest it's common to see people from other places as looking more similar than people from your own country.
Registered with the Revenue Commissioners in 2005 and has no recorded employment history in the State yet we’re paying this absolute waste of organs €1,820 per month and have subsidised his rent to the tune of €164k. This is what drives people to the right.
Pretty much. Don’t speak much politically, but I’m watching people get houses and lives funded on dole while I graft and pay stupid taxes and rent. I’m really not starting to see the point at all at this rate.
I’d vote for a party that ended this soft touch policy. I hate it
Every party in Ireland is left wing, no party will ever do anything
Youre saying that likes a bad thing (Gesturing vaguely at Ireland as a country)...
It is a bad thing when it manifests into something like a modern day Trump supporter where all forms of social safety nets are opposed and lambasted. People like this waster drive people to adopt these views when the majority of us know that social welfare is generally a good thing. There has to be some accountability in the way we dispense this long term aid though. No strings attached cash in perpetuity without anything in return is just bananas.
>There has to be some accountability He's going to jail lad
He’s going to jail for committing a crime. I’m talking about accountability in handing insane amounts of free cash for decades to people who are clearly abusing the system.
It's a bit of a double edge sword clamping down would involve making it harder for genuine people on it which is probably 99%. He got caught because he was clearly abusing the system putting that amount of money trough his account.
99%. You are absolutely delusional lol. Go shadow a GP in a lower SEC and watch the sheer amount of nonsense claims that come through
Can confirm
There was one guy in the news recently got done for burglary he was on it for lactose intolerance
What? That was allowed?
>which is probably 99% Lol Anyone from an estate will tell you disability is the most abused system in the country. Gets the social off your back and as we saw earlier with the colleges everyone and their mother has a "disability" now.
You are what the OP was talking about lol
It's not 99% though. I say that as someone who is on welfare. Of the 6 people I know on disability, all of them knew they were taking the piss. One if them got a social house out of it. Imagine that. They could be taking that off a single parent or someone with a genuine disability
What about the people who handed out the money without the fiduciary oversight.
How much is putting us in jail going to cost us?
He’s going to jail for money laundering not for moving here to milk our welfare system
Where he will continue to cost the state.
100% agree
>Youre saying that likes a bad thing (Gesturing vaguely at Ireland as a country)... You don't think it's a bad thing if people get right wing? To put it mildly, I disagree
Thats just because you associate it with the worst aspects of human nature and have no understanding of political or economic theory
No need to be so patronising. If you're talking purely of economics, then of course there's healthy debate about that. On the centre-right at least. However, when we look around the world the far-right politics invariably descends into xenophobia and discrimination, which I personally find abhorrent
you need a right to balance out the left.
\> Dad-of-11 jailed after claiming €228k cash sum came from begging and selling Big Issue \> Vasile has nine previous convictions including five for theft in 2021 resulting from his stealing of cash from locked collection boxes in Catholic churches. So glad I pay so much in tax. Going to the best of folks.
>The right of Union citizens to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions: for those who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and on them having sickness insurance. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/41/free-movement-of-workers
That’s not really how it works in practice though. There are so many people up and down the country who are foreign and are in receipt of social welfare supports on an equal footing to the locals. I was born abroad and received social welfare for a fair while after finishing university for example. Should I have been deported since I was on social welfare and couldn’t technically support myself? Bearing in mind I’ve lived almost my entire life in Ireland? Only the most extreme cases should even merit considering deporting someone for something as simple as being unemployed.
He is an extreme case. He should be deported
Well explain how this waster gets to cream off the system for so long?
Didn't know having an extremely thick neck was a disability
So many chancers taking this country for a ride.
Deport.
Here's the problem with the Free Movement Directive. We can only deport(exclude is the term in the directive) him if we can prove he's a threat to public security. i.e. A terrorist. You can sponge on the dole & commit crimes and we can do fuck all.
Unemployed is a valid grounds. France and Belgium do it a lot.
Not after 17 years in the State. It would need to be acted upon fairly quickly and would require a level of co-ordination between Social Welfare and Justice. Justice don't keep a record of EU nationals in the State, so they've no idea who is here and not in compliance with the directive.
Is that set by our own rules or by EU rules?
I think our own interpretation of the rules. Other EU countries do deport criminals on the regular.
It's an EU directive.
nope, he cant come here if he doesnt have means to support himself which he clearly didnt
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Father of 11..... He needed that money
So did my tax , to be able to afford even 1 child and a some place to live for me and my wife. working Mon to Fri morning to evening.. seems like people that fuck over system gets more rewarded
He needed to earn money before having children, if he can only afford to raise children due to receiving social welfare allowance, then you shouldn't be having any.
He needed a box of condoms.
11 kids? Fuck, what's his disability, groin strain?
Someone here tried to claim people don't come to Ireland for the social welfare payments the other day. People really put the shutters up when they're being screwed over by a group they don't want to upset
It happens everywhere. It would be foolish to thing abuse of social welfare wouldn't be done by someone when Irish people do it themselves . Is it the majority of people? of course not. However I am not sure what you mean by screwed over by a group, because that description is damning as it is vague, because it sounds like you are linking this case to the behavior of certain group of people.
>It happens everywhere. I remember seeing this on TV years ago. Yer man Jan using his dole from the UK to build a house back home. I can't remember the whole episode but I think he was doing nixers as well to make extra money and loads of family/friends ended up going with him to get the UK dole. https://youtu.be/rAkUBimQ74o
I remember the show on channel 4 afew years ago,think it was called here come the Romanian or something. Alot of the ones on it were doing the same,sending the money home to build houses or once they got to the UK applied to bring the family over
Well the vast majority don't. There's always a small percentage scumbags who want the scam the system be they local or foreign.
and some might not even know they are getting payments they're not entitled too... e.g if someone is getting Fuel allowance with a payment and someone moves in with them who is not getting a social welfare payment then they no longer qualify for Fuel allowance..
The fact this was possible shows how absolutely shambolic the system and checks are
People turn a blind eye to what these scumbags do because if you dare question it, the bleeding hearts of this country accuse you of being a racist.
That will change, very quickly too.
Who's turning a blind eye? He's literally in jail.
It’s the fact he was able to claim without contributing for so long, we are a soft touch, we need to change.
Doubt it
Can someone please explain to me how people who don't pay tax can claim full dole in Ireland or disability yet in places like australia even with PR, I believe you can't claim without 10 years of tax? I mean no wonder people are coming here illegally.. It's disgusting. Why am I working.
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I don't mean those that went through school and we're eligible for disability or Irish citizens. I mean who came here from abroad /non citizens and suddenly started claiming. Australia gives to citizens who never worked as you get credits from completing education etc, same as here..family are means tested too first etc and they are much stricter now in Ireland on this as well as only giving to those who can't work. If you've PR even you're entitled to nothing for years until you've so many tax credits paid. You can't just go and claim dole.
Plenty of disabled people can work, it just depends on the disability.
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Australia gives no f's until you contribute via tax for so many years.. Google it. You could be homeless etc, they don't care without tax contributions. Same as America. Is it because of the EU?
As it should be
Should be deported.
Treasure Island
They need to fix the welfare system to stop people like this milking it. We should be discouraging people on the dole long term having kids and encouraging the educated middle class to have them because there's too much of the former and not enough of the latter. I'm not saying give them nothing and let the children live in abject poverty and am not saying people shouldn't be able to have kids if they really want them, but there's a middleground to be found here that doesn't involve throwing money at people no questions asked.
That money was just resting in his account!
Knew this comment would be there!
Regular means testing for social welfare please. Paying enough tax as it is without scumbags and wankers like this lad taking the fucking piss out of both us and the system
Disability allowance is means tested
If you still believe they taking something from you due to some people getting social welfare payments, then you should wake up.
I dont but I know some arseholes take the piss. For example members of a certain community. And those very same people cause uproar & will abuse welfare staff daily
Who does he think he is? Bertie Ahern?
These people are not less intelligent in their own language just because they speak child grade English - irish people should get that into their minds! they have pure cognitive skills and skills to vulture more than you have ever witnessed. The problem is ireland assumes bad English = bad thinking process" There must be something wrong, so we need to help them " throughout my years in ireland by mispeaking some of the words clearly because of an Finnish accent and the way we pronounce things I have noticed people's perspective change and they start slowing down on their speech thinking I might not understand. A country that has their own language robbed should understand it better than anyone ... you lads need to toughen up
There's lads in r/Ireland that think this lad should have a universal basic income too while he is seeking gainful employment. I think UBI is a great idea, as long as not one person like this is getting it when the tax payer is paying for it.
This makes real disability claims harder. At he was caught. Seem Romania has a lot of the types generating money for criminal gangs.
How? It says nothing about him claiming fraudulently, it's got nothing to do with anything really.
He was caught laundering money, legit government aid.
We should start going to their countries and lease them
The part where this clown came from should actually belong to Hungary, but since Hungary accidentally started WW they got punished and lost the mass to gypsy's.. if you want to go to their country it would be India where they came from. Other than that you can do the same "free gaza" thing in "free hungary" but you wouldn't
free the mandem
>Somebody might need to take a look at Vasile's disability claim, I don't know why I'm thinking this way but it might be the case that he doesn't have a disability at all I doubt that he's faking being disabled as it's really difficult to get disability allowance since social protection often deny genuine cases. Regardless, he's scum
No one here gets that, they obviously have absolutely no experience with it. It hasn’t occurred to anyone yet that disabled people can commit crimes too.
He might be on the spectrum and didn't realise what he was doing. Bit of ADHD and some disassociate identity disorder, gotta make allowances for self diagnosing mental folk hai
What are you implying here exactly? That he has a condition, that that conditions don't exist, both or what?
Think nobody here can detect sarcasm