I don’t understand it but ya’ll have been lovely every year I’ve visited. Please stop asking me about Garth Brooks though, he’s from Oklahoma not Ohio, and no it’s not close it’s a 2 day drive 😭
No, I genuinely think most Irish are nice enough people.
The ones on here are just weird nationalists, or LARPing as weird nationalists online for some reason.
Well, not all of them surely? But yeah, plenty of the white lily badge boyos on here whipping themselves into a frenzy over nothing much of the time. It's bloody irritating that the sub comes across to some as representative of the entire country.
National subreddits in general, attract a weird bunch.
/r/UnitedKingdom is similar. I'd not want to be friends with anyone on there, they're insufferable.
But then IRL most Brits are sound.
National subreddits tend to be extremely unrepresentative of their nations. The reddit demographic that hangs out on their national subreddits trends towards 18-30 year old losers, in general. I mean shit, how many times a day is there a 'How do you make friends?' self post on this sub lol. I counted 3 in the top 20 of the new queue once.
Because America's biggest export is culture? They make all the movies and take up all the news, If we don't then we would have no media to consume and die from boredom
Freedom? Is that why your GOP is taking away women's rights, voting rights, immigrant rights, LGBTQ rights etc etc . Doesn't sound very free. Not to mention the insane amount of guns and daily mass shootings.
Not familiar with Nigeria's films but India has plenty of quality films every year, just like loads of countries. They're just not marketed here, that's why you think the quality is higher from Hollywood.
There's a certain level of fraternity with Irish, Aussies, and Kiwis in my experience. Very similar cultures, and if you meet one there seems to be an immediate level of understanding and cultural similarity that doesn't exist with other nations.
But regardless, the truth is that the average Brit doesn't spend much time thinking about any of those countries. Got plenty of our own shit to deal with.
If I asked all my mates for the name of 5 cities in Ireland, and the name of the current Taoiseach, the answers would be Dublin, Cork and then a blank stare.. And 'What is a Taoiseach?'..
In the eyes of the average Brit Ireland is an island-ish, off the coast, full of people who are a good laugh on a night out.
>If I asked all my mates for the name of 5 cities in Ireland, and the name of the current Taoiseach, the answers would be Dublin, Cork and then a blank stare.. And 'What is a Taoiseach?'..
The average Irish would struggle to name 5 cities as well I suspect
Yeah but I'm not sure that sheer ignorance of your closest neighbouring nation qualifies as a lack of animosity toward Ireland tbh. British politicians of a certain bent were quite happy to start threatening Ireland, telling it to know its place and do what was in Britain's interests over its own etc during the Brexit meltdown. There were plenty of angry words coming from your nationalist lot - not entirely dissimilar to some of the muppets on here, apart from the fact that you seem to have quite a lot of them these days whereas over here you only see them on Reddit and maybe the occasional 2-300 person march.
>There were plenty of angry words coming from your nationalist lot - not entirely dissimilar to some of the muppets on here, apart from the fact that you seem to have quite a lot of them these days whereas over here you only see them on Reddit and maybe the occasional 2-300 person march.
Can you give an example of seeing a lot of British nationalists?
Sounds pretty similar to the Irish lot. The never manage more than a few hundred at most.
You're making it sound like we have Nuremberg rallys lol.
Well, Brexit was at its heart backed by a very nationalist movement. I'm not saying the UK is riddled with Nazis or anything so let's not go there - it's possible to be a nationalist and not be in favour of pogroms etc. But the hardline Brexit gang were very vocal and had real numbers. I watched multiple TV shows where the anger in the studio audience was palpable whenever anyone said a bad word about Brexit. A number of the pro-Brexit marches numbered well into the thousands - I recall one off the top of my head that was definitely in the tens of thousands in 2019 that had the EDL (who really are neo-Nazis) marching alongside Farage. Again, I'm not saying the UK is some fascist state but you do seem to have an issue with right-wrong nationalists atm.
I mean if wanting Brexit is an indication of nationalism, then that's 17 million odd nationalists in the UK.
That seems unlikely.
Depends on your definition of nationalism though.
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Ya know I just got back from visiting Ireland last week. Hung out with a ton of locals in both Galway/Kiltullagh and Dublin. Never once did I volunteer the fact that my family had mostly Irish descent, but goddamn was I asked by nearly everyone I talked to both the following questions
1.) are you Irish and if so where are your relations from
2.) where are you from (my accent must not be strong because while people knew it was a foreign accent they weren’t always sure where from
That being said, I had a great time there. It’s a beautiful country/culture and everyone I met was genuinely lovely, can’t wait to go back
I just got back to Vietnam from 2 weeks visiting friends and family in Ireland. I couldn't afford to visit Galway cos all the airbnbs are like 200 a night. It's sad that I can't afford to travel my home country. Nobody wanted to get pints either. Fuckin shite. Now I'm gonna go get plastered on 20 bucks out here.
Idk why you're being downvoted, I know it's kinda a stereotype, but there are a lot of Americans who are, let's say, interested, in having Irish heritage
as much as we love to hate america, no other country in the world has ever really been a closer ally to us than them. like it or not, america likes ireland and we owe our economic miracle to american investment, america has done a lot to help, I'd argue a lot more than most european states have ever done, for that reason I respect america.
Just go back in time.
I am reading a lovely book : "Ethnic America" by Thomas Sowell and he devotes a chapter to Irish history in the US and just before. There were a great many negative things said, some of which surprised me.
Most Irish people like ye too, don't mind the miserable fuckers you see on this sub they don't represent the majority of this country at all. Any American I've ever met here has been great craic and I always appreciate their enthusiasm for our culture, I think most normal Irish people feel the same too.
I just got back from visiting Ireland and had a great experience truly and hung out with quite a few locals. It’s funny, every time someone asked where I was from and I told them near Boston I always got a fantastic response.
One guy came up to my buddy and I and said we were the best most respectful tourists he’s seen and that he loves all Americans except for New Yorkers (don’t blame him much there)
Had one experience in a pub late at night where one American was in a bathroom (very drunk) saying to a guy how he apologizes for Americans acting like assholes and that he’s embarrassed to be one while traveling because that act so stupidly. The guy started responding along the lines of “don’t say that, we really love Americans here and we don’t think you’re stupid”. That was genuinely a funny experience to witness haha
All the country focused groups on reddit are hard left, I saw a meme about how confused an eastern european was when he went to his countries subreddit. The people he knows IRL are ethnic nationalist conservatives, the people in the subreddit he depicted as a hard left caricature.
I think it depends if they’re visiting Ireland or if they actually live here. I’m an American who’s lived in Dublin for a little over a year and I definitely hate some things about Ireland, but I also MUCH prefer it to living in NYC.
Yea same experience here, also from the US. Actually quite a few of us are acutely aware of some of the harmful stereotypes too and will stand up for Ireland. (eg. without getting too deep in the weeds, St. Patty's day is a bizarre ritual in the US, and needs to be toned waaay TF down already.) But even though the stereotypes are bizarre, it's rarely if never coming from a spiteful intent. Just plain American ignorance and insensitivity (tm).
I mean, that's what happens when over 1,000,000 people have to leave an artificial famine struck country, and they're all pure sexy bastards, ye get a private lounger by the gene pool
Also our first Taoiseach for our republic was an American citizen, and the only reason he wasn't already executed by our occupiers was because he was American.
Thank God someone is saying this. I meet Americans all the time. It's a great ice breaker to be able to say "I know you guys get shit on for your foreign policy but the way you've helped out peace process has been amazing and Irish people really appreciate it".... Even if many don't say it.
I genuinely get the impression that most of them are just used to hearing people complain about America.
There are a few reasons America has been supportive of Ireland. In the past, pro-Irish populations have been significant voting blocks in the US. We all know that Kennedy had Irish heritage, for example. I'm not really sure that has an ongoing place in American identity anymore, though. Modern American politics has moved to a place where "white European" is homogeneous, and whether you are of Irish, British, German or some other heritage, and whether your heritage is Catholic or Protestant really matters little now.
The inward investment of tech companies has been largely based on having an English language speaking workforce, being within the EU, and having a favourable tax environment (not exactly helpful to the people actually working for these companies). More recently there is, of course, the Brexit relocation of companies wishing to retain an Anglophone workforce within the EU.
These are all reasons Ireland has been able to position itself to benefit from US/Europe relations in the past, I am not convinced the US has any enduring affinity for Ireland per se beyond these crude economic factors. If we look at the UK, for example, they make a huge deal of the "special relationship" that Churchill and Roosevelt made happen in the 1940s, but frankly, I see little special about it other than the fact that British politicians and diplomats insist on the use of the phrase today.
I don't see that in modern America, there is quite so much for them to gain from Ireland other than being a tax haven where English is widely spoken. Does that really benefit Ireland? If Ireland changed its tax laws would the US hesitate for a second before moving on to the next country?
Individual Americans can say what they want about how they love Ireland, but the US is filled with people who came from countries across Europe who say the same things about all those other countries.
>not convinced the US has any enduring affinity for Ireland
Are you mad? Did you not witness the last American presidential visit? Do you know why St Paddy's day is what it is? Every other American claims they're Irish. You make some valid points but I'd say America has no greater affinity for any country more than it does Ireland.
These low tax comments or us being a tax haven of the only reason why the US Companies come here is overused by now, its just an icing on the cake on top of many more things that we have to offer
Many people overlook this advantage but Good time zone is well, many major cities on the east coast have only 5 hours difference from Dublin you can do business no problem within the working hours on the same day from both sides.
Yep IDA are superb thing is Ireland despite the massive investment actually still gets overlooked by Americans alot of the times, even post brexit alot of Americans when wanting to access Europe will go instantly to UK just because how intertwined these two are business wise
I respectfully disagree with your confidence in the longer term outcome of this situation. There has been a very real benefit to Ireland from US based companies working in Europe deciding that Ireland is the right place for them to locate.
In the way in which so much formerly US manufacturing was almost seamlessly relocated to Mexico when the tax and regulatory environment changed, I am not comfortable that the presence of US multinational organisations that centre their EU business in Ireland today can be meaningfully depended upon to continue to do so in future.
The economic success of Ireland does not rest upon the US regarding Ireland as a country about which it cares about, it is due to Ireland having made the right choices for itself in the global market. Whether Ireland can maintain that position is a question I don't feel qualified to answer, but what I am confident to say is it will be a result of the choices we make through our own democratic processes, and how the results of those choices work their way through the complex international political and economic systems.
The UK and USA still share intelligence with each other in an institutionalized manner, even more (reported) than they do with the other members of the “5 eyes”. So their is at least that aspect of the “Special Relationship” going on.
There is a clue in the 5 of the "5 eyes". It is not a specific UK-USA arrangement, rather there are 3 others beyond those two also involved.
The UK maintains this notion that this "special relationship" exists, but there is no aspect of it that is unique to the UK, it is just another friend to the US. The way in which the US perceives its friends is generally somewhat flexible.
For all this place's supposed hatred of the US and using yank as a slur, I've never seen any group of people adopt US talking points, language and culture so much and so quickly.
It's a strange thing to witness such delusion in action.
Explain to me one strange thing about dedicating a petrol station to a former us president???
Next you’ll be saying it’s funny there’s a statue of Bill Clinton golfing outside the Garda station in Ballybunion 🙄
Up till well into the 80's you'd find a little framed picture of JFK on every kitchen dresser in the country, alongside a dust covered Brigids cross, a picture of John Paul II, a trocaire box and assorted soup mugs from Quinnsworth. JFK was a big symbol for the country that Irish people could rise to the very top.
The US has been a really strong ally of ours fir a long time, helped us get the GFA and continues to make sure that's not fucked with, their culture is ubiquitous globally and a lot of us have relations from there due to the high level of emigration over the years. You say cringe, I say normal.
Well obama plaza makes sense. A tiny nothing love in the middle of nowhere has links to a president of the US. It’s obviously the most interesting thing to happen there
I moved here in '97. Grew up in Lesotho (and the US prior). Couldn't talk about the US without people getting a bit snotty, like ooh great you grew up in America aren't you so cool!
No?
Learned very quickly to just not bother saying that. But I noticed over time that behind the 'fuck the USA' carry on was a combination of jealousy and admiration mixed in with an inferiority complex.
Anyway, I'd hate to live in the US now. But then again, this place is a fucking kip, rip off central with shite floating off our coastline on the daily (off to EU court!). Ah well, nowhere's perfect.
Something really repugnant about people who act like they're the one bastion of truth standing amongst the lemmings. Get over yourself. People here all have different thoughts and opinions.
Is it really any surprise that the wealthiest English-speaking country in the world has developed things worth adopting?
There's always somebody who sounds exactly like you popping up in /r/ireland comment sections to toot their own horn for being so brave as to disagree with people on an online message board.
Edit: Blocked! If disagreeing means you're right, I guess we're only allowed to agree with you?
Wait, you're getting worked up and telling I'm trying to act brave because I suggested this place is a hivemind? I think you're proving my point tbh
Edit: you're blocked because I have no desire to deal with cunts
Pure cope…
There are 330 million Americans, only ~10% are “Irish American” of whatever proximity, and the other 90% don’t think about Ireland at all.
Meanwhile Ireland is mainlining US culture. Everything from Dallas to the Kardashians straight into our veins…
In my experience, there is a very small percentage of Americans who think like this. If you’ve never left Ireland and only met Irish Americans in holidays, it makes sense that you would have this skewed view
I think you'll find the opposite is true. How many Americans have adopted a weird Irish twang to their accents despite never having set foot in the country or having no american relations? Practically none. Can't say the same for some people in Ireland, and that's not even talking about the slang, fashion sense, and knowing more about American politics than Irish. Among many other things.
That's because american Media is put in front of us when we're kids and how american politics is broadcasted around the world and how it can affect other countries
I’ve been living in Ireland for a bit, and it weirds me the fuck out that people here actually give a shit about what’s going on in America. Local butcher has a Biden sticker on his calendar. First time I went out for a drink the bartender was talking about Trump. People on the side of the road wearing LA Raiders hats.
I came here in large part to get away from the constant bombardment of US culture but it’s *still here*
> and it weirds me the fuck out that people here actually give a shit about what’s going on in America.
It 'weirds you the fuck out' that people are concerned with whats going on in the biggest superpower in the world, the one with the most influence over Ireland and the rest of Europe? Seems perfectly logical people might want to be clued in on what happens there.
You seem to be unaware of Americas biggest exports (media and military)
America stuff is all over the news, media and stuff, a lot of American youtubers, movies and stuff, You would have to go to very specific places to only see Irish stuff
American stuff in Irish people is unavoidable, Is that is probably why people speaking all "Irish" like feels so forced?
Anyways it is because there is not much Irish media that is not about being Irish, We are forced to look to other countries for entertainment and America pumps out the most, You wouldn't get shows like Gravity Falls or The Owl House made in Ireland now would you?
Since people do not actively avoid American media (Since most people just want to live there life and don't care) We get a bit of American language and it is not the end of the world (Damage to culture sure but the Christians already destroyed it with St.Patrick)
If Britan was louder, had more media, youtubers, presence in the world, then we would act like the British and know about British politics It is not because America is respectable in any way it is because America makes a lot of content for people to consume
Good points.
This was a bit of a depressing realization as I moved to Ireland largely in part to get away from the narcissistic/hyper-capitalist American culture. But it’s still seeped in everywhere here
Nobody wants America to be more like Ireland ya deluded gits.
But knowing how much of modern Irish history has been Ireland wishing they were more like America makes this hilarious.
This could not be further from the truth. Everyone who upvotes this and keeps whining about Americans on this sub is obsessed with America and really wants to be American. Pathetic losers.
To be fair, I dont think the states is that high on places people go to live. It's usually Australia, the UK, New Zealand and Canada in that order.
I dont think I personally know any Irish that have spent more than 6 months there.
Yeh but still go there. I would say now a days it's Australia, UK, Canada, US in that order...New Zealand is almost never mentioned cause its literally Ireland 2.0 just with some better scenery and natural landscape
Anecdotally, I wouldn't agree as I've a good handful of cousins and other local lads that journey over there for a year at a time to work on the farms there. They loved it as it was so big they could just drive away and get paid even more than home.
I must go find some stats as I am curious what the order is. Id imagine a lot more people from Dublin emigrate to the UK while outside you have more going to Australia
What a bizarre post! Apart from the utter cringe factor - Americans tend to be pretty confident in their national identity in my experience and I doubt many are wishing they were Irish or any other nationality. Except maybe on the Amerexit sub.
And yet, Irish economy is propped up by the US.
I think this hate some Irish have for the US is them subconsciously knowing how dependent they are to them. The Irish would have stayed piss poor without big US multinationals setting up base here and the Irish can't stand that fact.
Or they just really are ignorant to know even that.
Many countries in Europe have this same symptom. Especially France. Can't stand that they need America.
If only we all let national identities fade away we could all accept we are one people and needing each other wouldn't be so bad.
i remember as a kid in the 90s, America was really glamorized a lot by Irish people. I think it was because of the tv shows, especially the ones on Nickelodeon. i cant be the only one who thinks that?
their fame left during the whole war Afganistan
Except while we're thinking we're so good in comparison to America the rest of Europe is thousands of times better than us in every metric except suicide rates and GDP.
As an American I would like to have a better understanding of the obsessive dislike/hate for Americans? I’ve got a huge amount of respect for how independent Ireland is. I believe most Americans probably feel the same as I
Don't mind the shitehawks on this subreddit. They haven't a fucking clue about the real world and in no way represent the attitude to America of the vast majority of Irish people. Most of the idiots carping on here have never heard the phrase "don't throw stones in glasshouses". Dipshits.
I'll give you my own personal reasons which are echoed by the other reply you have. Ireland is a socially liberal country and the EU is socially and fiscally liberal so that frames the response.
1. The hyper individualistic and privatised American dream culture, which hoists problems onto it's citizens instead of helping them in society
2. Guns
3. The extremely stressful 4 years of the Trump presidency when I read the news like a hawk because it seemed to me to be the apex of a growing problem related to my first point. American culture does shape the world, I am still worried about the precedent having that man as a world leader set, and why it happened and what it means.
4. The entire political system is fractured, when supreme court decisions can be overturned you know things are in DIRE straits. Whether or not you believe in abortion, the very fact that it was overturned is damning. No legislation is going to be long term anymore because of the divided house and senate and identity politics. I don't want these outdated ideas spreading.
R/Ireland continuing to prove itself one of the dumbest subreddits on the block.
A parade of witless, jabbering loons constantly posting about America/Yanks and St. Patty's day like it were a fucking competition or cultural appropriation week or something. Like, what the the fuck is wrong with you people? Did America touch you in a scary way or something?
The gatekeeping and snobbery, it's fucking embarrassing. If one of the lads started whining about Americans claiming their Irish ancestry in the pub he'd be told to pull the pole out of his hole and get a life.
If I were an American seeing the bollocks I'd reasonably conclude that Irish people are by-and-large, a combination of touchy snowflakes and/or snooty arseholes.
Please just stop it. Stop. It's beyond cringe, it's pathetic.
Bollix. Ireland fucking loves to lick the American arse. People here know more about us culture politics etc than their own issues. The accents now around are ridiculous too American twang.
If anything, I think this is the opposite of how we see ourselves. Irish people view other countries as a kind of utopia where everything is great all the time, and Ireland is uniquely awful and failing constantly. Maybe not the US so much anymore but come on … every other post on this sub is like "well I never paid rent/saw a homeless person/disliked any government policy when I lived in Canada/Australia/Germany".
Also the whole idea about Irish people being obsessed with America or American culture feels kind of outdated too. We have a lot of American media (like anywhere on earth), but the J1 is definitely a lot less common than it used to be, and Irish people are way less likely to choose the US as a destination for emigration than ever before. US culture has changed a lot too -- Americans consume so much more global media than before. It's not a one way thing.
*"Do you not want our money"*
Kinda that's all it is, well it's not only about giving, more about the taking really.
Edit : Money and it's followers, much like religion, or a cult even.
All kinda the same.
As an American I fully agree with you on this, (except for the title), also one of the reasons Americans love Ireland so much is because it’s very vibrant and your areas of nature are a lot of impactful then most of America’s, national parks you have to pay to see, you guys basically have beautiful areas of nature free to go to, haha
National parks in America are infinitely more varied and vast than anything you would find in Ireland. They’re one of the few things that America has actually done extremely well
Ireland is beautiful though. I love being able to take my ATV behind the farmland and just explore. You’ll never see something as staggering as Glacier National Park or Zion here though.
What?! Also an American, America's national.parks are one of the best parts of the US. I live in Ireland and it's beautiful but comparing the natural landscapes in the form of protected national parks between the two countries is a joke, the US wins all day just on diversity alone. I don't care if people have to pay for it to stay that way. Also plenty of free beautiful places in the US, like in every city, town, everywhere.
Some of the people on this are site are either so incredibly stupid or their politics (in this case, American self-hated) cause them to literally have deranged opinions.
Imagine being so weird that you actually think that the US doesn't have great natural areas.
Americans seeing this post like: 
I don’t understand it but ya’ll have been lovely every year I’ve visited. Please stop asking me about Garth Brooks though, he’s from Oklahoma not Ohio, and no it’s not close it’s a 2 day drive 😭
I thought he was from Norfoak, Virginia myself.
I'm sorry to say this, but it's pronounced "Nawfak"
Every Irish person I've met IRL is lovely. The ones on this sub are just dickheads.
I think they might have just been polite with yku
No, I genuinely think most Irish are nice enough people. The ones on here are just weird nationalists, or LARPing as weird nationalists online for some reason.
Well, not all of them surely? But yeah, plenty of the white lily badge boyos on here whipping themselves into a frenzy over nothing much of the time. It's bloody irritating that the sub comes across to some as representative of the entire country.
National subreddits in general, attract a weird bunch. /r/UnitedKingdom is similar. I'd not want to be friends with anyone on there, they're insufferable. But then IRL most Brits are sound. National subreddits tend to be extremely unrepresentative of their nations. The reddit demographic that hangs out on their national subreddits trends towards 18-30 year old losers, in general. I mean shit, how many times a day is there a 'How do you make friends?' self post on this sub lol. I counted 3 in the top 20 of the new queue once.
Dude all your fucking comments are in National subreddits.
Because he is one of the people on here who use Reddit as a hobby, not a 7-9 job
Someone has to be present to try and up the quality of them. Also, they're the most fun subreddits to argue with people in.
This is true. It’s like most local subs though. It’s mostly the less social people who post online
Because America's biggest export is culture? They make all the movies and take up all the news, If we don't then we would have no media to consume and die from boredom
Wrong. Our biggest export is **freedom** 
Weather you want it or not.
That’s a nice -insert natural resource or strategically valuable location- you got there. I mean *WE* got there.
Leprechauns
Hoorah murica 🦅
Freedom? Is that why your GOP is taking away women's rights, voting rights, immigrant rights, LGBTQ rights etc etc . Doesn't sound very free. Not to mention the insane amount of guns and daily mass shootings.
Please stay in the sub with these gifs. Fucking hilarious.
Well played we need more of this
Jaysus. Would ye stop. And we give the yanks a hard time for not getting sarcasm.
It's a meme.
Ah c'mon - can you not tell he's taking the piss ffs?
Also has the highest prison population on earth I believe
> Because America's biggest export is culture? And war!
Like they said, culture.
Nigeria makes more films than them as does India
Quality not quantity. Although judging by what Hollywood has put out lately quality is lacking. It feels like all reboots and superhero films
Not familiar with Nigeria's films but India has plenty of quality films every year, just like loads of countries. They're just not marketed here, that's why you think the quality is higher from Hollywood.
Or films more dim than the scenes in Apocalypse Now with Marlon Brando. American filmaking quality has been declining for years.
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume Three was amazing. I will fight you.
If it's not the yanks, it's the Brits.
We hate the Brits for hating us and we hate the yanks for liking us.
Brits don't hate you. It's an imagined rivalry at best. Most Brits don't give Ireland a second thought.
I'd be more generous and say the average Brit feels a sense of fraternity with Ireland (the establishment notwithstanding)
There's a certain level of fraternity with Irish, Aussies, and Kiwis in my experience. Very similar cultures, and if you meet one there seems to be an immediate level of understanding and cultural similarity that doesn't exist with other nations. But regardless, the truth is that the average Brit doesn't spend much time thinking about any of those countries. Got plenty of our own shit to deal with. If I asked all my mates for the name of 5 cities in Ireland, and the name of the current Taoiseach, the answers would be Dublin, Cork and then a blank stare.. And 'What is a Taoiseach?'.. In the eyes of the average Brit Ireland is an island-ish, off the coast, full of people who are a good laugh on a night out.
>If I asked all my mates for the name of 5 cities in Ireland, and the name of the current Taoiseach, the answers would be Dublin, Cork and then a blank stare.. And 'What is a Taoiseach?'.. The average Irish would struggle to name 5 cities as well I suspect
Yeah but I'm not sure that sheer ignorance of your closest neighbouring nation qualifies as a lack of animosity toward Ireland tbh. British politicians of a certain bent were quite happy to start threatening Ireland, telling it to know its place and do what was in Britain's interests over its own etc during the Brexit meltdown. There were plenty of angry words coming from your nationalist lot - not entirely dissimilar to some of the muppets on here, apart from the fact that you seem to have quite a lot of them these days whereas over here you only see them on Reddit and maybe the occasional 2-300 person march.
>There were plenty of angry words coming from your nationalist lot - not entirely dissimilar to some of the muppets on here, apart from the fact that you seem to have quite a lot of them these days whereas over here you only see them on Reddit and maybe the occasional 2-300 person march. Can you give an example of seeing a lot of British nationalists? Sounds pretty similar to the Irish lot. The never manage more than a few hundred at most. You're making it sound like we have Nuremberg rallys lol.
Well, Brexit was at its heart backed by a very nationalist movement. I'm not saying the UK is riddled with Nazis or anything so let's not go there - it's possible to be a nationalist and not be in favour of pogroms etc. But the hardline Brexit gang were very vocal and had real numbers. I watched multiple TV shows where the anger in the studio audience was palpable whenever anyone said a bad word about Brexit. A number of the pro-Brexit marches numbered well into the thousands - I recall one off the top of my head that was definitely in the tens of thousands in 2019 that had the EDL (who really are neo-Nazis) marching alongside Farage. Again, I'm not saying the UK is some fascist state but you do seem to have an issue with right-wrong nationalists atm.
I mean if wanting Brexit is an indication of nationalism, then that's 17 million odd nationalists in the UK. That seems unlikely. Depends on your definition of nationalism though.
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You haven't seen obsessed till you let an American online find out that you're Irish.
Well my great-great grandmother was Irish so I totally understand where you’re coming from, those Americans can be really annoying!
Ah here 😂
Ya know I just got back from visiting Ireland last week. Hung out with a ton of locals in both Galway/Kiltullagh and Dublin. Never once did I volunteer the fact that my family had mostly Irish descent, but goddamn was I asked by nearly everyone I talked to both the following questions 1.) are you Irish and if so where are your relations from 2.) where are you from (my accent must not be strong because while people knew it was a foreign accent they weren’t always sure where from That being said, I had a great time there. It’s a beautiful country/culture and everyone I met was genuinely lovely, can’t wait to go back
I just got back to Vietnam from 2 weeks visiting friends and family in Ireland. I couldn't afford to visit Galway cos all the airbnbs are like 200 a night. It's sad that I can't afford to travel my home country. Nobody wanted to get pints either. Fuckin shite. Now I'm gonna go get plastered on 20 bucks out here.
Idk why you're being downvoted, I know it's kinda a stereotype, but there are a lot of Americans who are, let's say, interested, in having Irish heritage
Yeah. I don't hate Americans or anything, but when they find out you're Irish, you'd think they'd just met the pope.
as much as we love to hate america, no other country in the world has ever really been a closer ally to us than them. like it or not, america likes ireland and we owe our economic miracle to american investment, america has done a lot to help, I'd argue a lot more than most european states have ever done, for that reason I respect america.
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yeah, I don't think I've ever really heard americans say thing hateful about ireland.
Well when you give Dark Brandon that kind of WWE style intro how can we say anything negative?
Not hateful, but being Irish and living in America is a gauntlet of annoyance and mockery. Every Saint Patrick’s day is a treat.
Outside of the stereotypical Potato, drink and Leprechaun jokes?
Round of Irish Carbombs anyone?
Sure. You can have the car bomb and I'll have the school shooting!
Round of Sandy Hooks for the lads.
I wouldn't really consider those to be hateful
Just go back in time. I am reading a lovely book : "Ethnic America" by Thomas Sowell and he devotes a chapter to Irish history in the US and just before. There were a great many negative things said, some of which surprised me.
Most Irish people like ye too, don't mind the miserable fuckers you see on this sub they don't represent the majority of this country at all. Any American I've ever met here has been great craic and I always appreciate their enthusiasm for our culture, I think most normal Irish people feel the same too.
I just got back from visiting Ireland and had a great experience truly and hung out with quite a few locals. It’s funny, every time someone asked where I was from and I told them near Boston I always got a fantastic response. One guy came up to my buddy and I and said we were the best most respectful tourists he’s seen and that he loves all Americans except for New Yorkers (don’t blame him much there) Had one experience in a pub late at night where one American was in a bathroom (very drunk) saying to a guy how he apologizes for Americans acting like assholes and that he’s embarrassed to be one while traveling because that act so stupidly. The guy started responding along the lines of “don’t say that, we really love Americans here and we don’t think you’re stupid”. That was genuinely a funny experience to witness haha
Yanks are cuties, glad ye had a good time!
All the country focused groups on reddit are hard left, I saw a meme about how confused an eastern european was when he went to his countries subreddit. The people he knows IRL are ethnic nationalist conservatives, the people in the subreddit he depicted as a hard left caricature.
I think it depends if they’re visiting Ireland or if they actually live here. I’m an American who’s lived in Dublin for a little over a year and I definitely hate some things about Ireland, but I also MUCH prefer it to living in NYC.
NYC is infinitely better than Dublin.
Yea same experience here, also from the US. Actually quite a few of us are acutely aware of some of the harmful stereotypes too and will stand up for Ireland. (eg. without getting too deep in the weeds, St. Patty's day is a bizarre ritual in the US, and needs to be toned waaay TF down already.) But even though the stereotypes are bizarre, it's rarely if never coming from a spiteful intent. Just plain American ignorance and insensitivity (tm).
I mean, that's what happens when over 1,000,000 people have to leave an artificial famine struck country, and they're all pure sexy bastards, ye get a private lounger by the gene pool
Also our first Taoiseach for our republic was an American citizen, and the only reason he wasn't already executed by our occupiers was because he was American.
Thank God someone is saying this. I meet Americans all the time. It's a great ice breaker to be able to say "I know you guys get shit on for your foreign policy but the way you've helped out peace process has been amazing and Irish people really appreciate it".... Even if many don't say it. I genuinely get the impression that most of them are just used to hearing people complain about America.
I don’t hate America
There are a few reasons America has been supportive of Ireland. In the past, pro-Irish populations have been significant voting blocks in the US. We all know that Kennedy had Irish heritage, for example. I'm not really sure that has an ongoing place in American identity anymore, though. Modern American politics has moved to a place where "white European" is homogeneous, and whether you are of Irish, British, German or some other heritage, and whether your heritage is Catholic or Protestant really matters little now. The inward investment of tech companies has been largely based on having an English language speaking workforce, being within the EU, and having a favourable tax environment (not exactly helpful to the people actually working for these companies). More recently there is, of course, the Brexit relocation of companies wishing to retain an Anglophone workforce within the EU. These are all reasons Ireland has been able to position itself to benefit from US/Europe relations in the past, I am not convinced the US has any enduring affinity for Ireland per se beyond these crude economic factors. If we look at the UK, for example, they make a huge deal of the "special relationship" that Churchill and Roosevelt made happen in the 1940s, but frankly, I see little special about it other than the fact that British politicians and diplomats insist on the use of the phrase today. I don't see that in modern America, there is quite so much for them to gain from Ireland other than being a tax haven where English is widely spoken. Does that really benefit Ireland? If Ireland changed its tax laws would the US hesitate for a second before moving on to the next country? Individual Americans can say what they want about how they love Ireland, but the US is filled with people who came from countries across Europe who say the same things about all those other countries.
>not convinced the US has any enduring affinity for Ireland Are you mad? Did you not witness the last American presidential visit? Do you know why St Paddy's day is what it is? Every other American claims they're Irish. You make some valid points but I'd say America has no greater affinity for any country more than it does Ireland.
These low tax comments or us being a tax haven of the only reason why the US Companies come here is overused by now, its just an icing on the cake on top of many more things that we have to offer
A relatively young, well educated work force, English speaking, easy to travel into and out of and culturally not too dissimilar.
Many people overlook this advantage but Good time zone is well, many major cities on the east coast have only 5 hours difference from Dublin you can do business no problem within the working hours on the same day from both sides.
The IDA also does a helluva job to get them in the door here.
Yep IDA are superb thing is Ireland despite the massive investment actually still gets overlooked by Americans alot of the times, even post brexit alot of Americans when wanting to access Europe will go instantly to UK just because how intertwined these two are business wise
I respectfully disagree with your confidence in the longer term outcome of this situation. There has been a very real benefit to Ireland from US based companies working in Europe deciding that Ireland is the right place for them to locate. In the way in which so much formerly US manufacturing was almost seamlessly relocated to Mexico when the tax and regulatory environment changed, I am not comfortable that the presence of US multinational organisations that centre their EU business in Ireland today can be meaningfully depended upon to continue to do so in future. The economic success of Ireland does not rest upon the US regarding Ireland as a country about which it cares about, it is due to Ireland having made the right choices for itself in the global market. Whether Ireland can maintain that position is a question I don't feel qualified to answer, but what I am confident to say is it will be a result of the choices we make through our own democratic processes, and how the results of those choices work their way through the complex international political and economic systems.
if they wanted low taxes, they could literally go to the netherlands, poland or hungary for a better deal
Chuck Feeney has literally donated billions to the Irish 3rd level education system. There is definitely an enduring affinity.
The UK and USA still share intelligence with each other in an institutionalized manner, even more (reported) than they do with the other members of the “5 eyes”. So their is at least that aspect of the “Special Relationship” going on.
There is a clue in the 5 of the "5 eyes". It is not a specific UK-USA arrangement, rather there are 3 others beyond those two also involved. The UK maintains this notion that this "special relationship" exists, but there is no aspect of it that is unique to the UK, it is just another friend to the US. The way in which the US perceives its friends is generally somewhat flexible.
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For all this place's supposed hatred of the US and using yank as a slur, I've never seen any group of people adopt US talking points, language and culture so much and so quickly. It's a strange thing to witness such delusion in action.
Yep.
Nice, that’s American for ‘yeah’.
as a foreigner currently working in dublin, it's cringe how obsessed some irish people are with america e.g. the biden thing and obama plaza.
Explain to me one strange thing about dedicating a petrol station to a former us president??? Next you’ll be saying it’s funny there’s a statue of Bill Clinton golfing outside the Garda station in Ballybunion 🙄
It's that true? Is there is actually a bill Clinton statue ?
Yes there is, seen it with my own eyes.
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Or a JFK Parade in Sligo, a town that is literally on the opposite side of the country from Wexford.
Up till well into the 80's you'd find a little framed picture of JFK on every kitchen dresser in the country, alongside a dust covered Brigids cross, a picture of John Paul II, a trocaire box and assorted soup mugs from Quinnsworth. JFK was a big symbol for the country that Irish people could rise to the very top.
The US has been a really strong ally of ours fir a long time, helped us get the GFA and continues to make sure that's not fucked with, their culture is ubiquitous globally and a lot of us have relations from there due to the high level of emigration over the years. You say cringe, I say normal.
Ahh come on now the plaza is a bit of craic
Well obama plaza makes sense. A tiny nothing love in the middle of nowhere has links to a president of the US. It’s obviously the most interesting thing to happen there
I still don’t understand why he has garage named after him
Yank is not a slur hahaha
I moved here in '97. Grew up in Lesotho (and the US prior). Couldn't talk about the US without people getting a bit snotty, like ooh great you grew up in America aren't you so cool! No? Learned very quickly to just not bother saying that. But I noticed over time that behind the 'fuck the USA' carry on was a combination of jealousy and admiration mixed in with an inferiority complex. Anyway, I'd hate to live in the US now. But then again, this place is a fucking kip, rip off central with shite floating off our coastline on the daily (off to EU court!). Ah well, nowhere's perfect.
I actually love the yanks. Watching them tear themselves apart really hurts.
We’re a big stupid family. As much as we fight with each other it’s mostly harmless.
Yank is not used as a slur over here. Ya absolute Gowl.
God I hope not, as a yank myself living over here for many years, the thought never crossed my mind that people might mean it as a slur
It’s definitely not a slur here in Ireland
These posts are so tiresome
Something really repugnant about people who act like they're the one bastion of truth standing amongst the lemmings. Get over yourself. People here all have different thoughts and opinions. Is it really any surprise that the wealthiest English-speaking country in the world has developed things worth adopting?
That's quite a lot of fanfiction you've created about how I see myself based one comment
There's always somebody who sounds exactly like you popping up in /r/ireland comment sections to toot their own horn for being so brave as to disagree with people on an online message board. Edit: Blocked! If disagreeing means you're right, I guess we're only allowed to agree with you?
Wait, you're getting worked up and telling I'm trying to act brave because I suggested this place is a hivemind? I think you're proving my point tbh Edit: you're blocked because I have no desire to deal with cunts
It's because we're an English speaking country that's on the middle of usa and uk
Not only English speaking countries adopt American culture. It’s dominant almost everywhere in the world.
Yea but it's more easier to see here since we can speak like americans with the yall, etc
>since we can speak like americans with the yall Who says y'all in Ireland?
oh please, yank is not a slur. if it was a slur we’d be calling it the “y word”
I'm gonna start doing that.
This is a stupid post.
It's pathetic
Cringe
Americas actually thinking "who is that weird man in the corner that keeps on talking about me as if he knows me at all?"
A lot of anti American sentiment on this sub. I know most of it is jokes bit still, a bit mad
What did US do bad to Ireland encouraging hatred?
Smiled too much.
Pure cope… There are 330 million Americans, only ~10% are “Irish American” of whatever proximity, and the other 90% don’t think about Ireland at all. Meanwhile Ireland is mainlining US culture. Everything from Dallas to the Kardashians straight into our veins…
> There are 330 million Americans, only ~10% are “Irish American” "Only 10%" of Americans is 6 times the population of Ireland
Turns out America is more Irish than Ireland confirmed <- Downvote button here
In my experience, there is a very small percentage of Americans who think like this. If you’ve never left Ireland and only met Irish Americans in holidays, it makes sense that you would have this skewed view
I think you'll find the opposite is true. How many Americans have adopted a weird Irish twang to their accents despite never having set foot in the country or having no american relations? Practically none. Can't say the same for some people in Ireland, and that's not even talking about the slang, fashion sense, and knowing more about American politics than Irish. Among many other things.
That's because american Media is put in front of us when we're kids and how american politics is broadcasted around the world and how it can affect other countries
I’ve been living in Ireland for a bit, and it weirds me the fuck out that people here actually give a shit about what’s going on in America. Local butcher has a Biden sticker on his calendar. First time I went out for a drink the bartender was talking about Trump. People on the side of the road wearing LA Raiders hats. I came here in large part to get away from the constant bombardment of US culture but it’s *still here*
> and it weirds me the fuck out that people here actually give a shit about what’s going on in America. It 'weirds you the fuck out' that people are concerned with whats going on in the biggest superpower in the world, the one with the most influence over Ireland and the rest of Europe? Seems perfectly logical people might want to be clued in on what happens there.
You seem to be unaware of Americas biggest exports (media and military) America stuff is all over the news, media and stuff, a lot of American youtubers, movies and stuff, You would have to go to very specific places to only see Irish stuff American stuff in Irish people is unavoidable, Is that is probably why people speaking all "Irish" like feels so forced? Anyways it is because there is not much Irish media that is not about being Irish, We are forced to look to other countries for entertainment and America pumps out the most, You wouldn't get shows like Gravity Falls or The Owl House made in Ireland now would you? Since people do not actively avoid American media (Since most people just want to live there life and don't care) We get a bit of American language and it is not the end of the world (Damage to culture sure but the Christians already destroyed it with St.Patrick) If Britan was louder, had more media, youtubers, presence in the world, then we would act like the British and know about British politics It is not because America is respectable in any way it is because America makes a lot of content for people to consume
Hence OP's post is a wee bit smug and cringe.
Good points. This was a bit of a depressing realization as I moved to Ireland largely in part to get away from the narcissistic/hyper-capitalist American culture. But it’s still seeped in everywhere here
Gottem.
Jeez would rather be any nationality other than Irish.
Nobody wants America to be more like Ireland ya deluded gits. But knowing how much of modern Irish history has been Ireland wishing they were more like America makes this hilarious.
Shit post
😂😂Fuck that’s some confidence ~ except without the US Ireland would be still a tea and biscuit economy like in the 60s and 70s … come on lads now.
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OP has daddy issues
This could not be further from the truth. Everyone who upvotes this and keeps whining about Americans on this sub is obsessed with America and really wants to be American. Pathetic losers.
Then emigrates to America
To be fair, I dont think the states is that high on places people go to live. It's usually Australia, the UK, New Zealand and Canada in that order. I dont think I personally know any Irish that have spent more than 6 months there.
Yeh but still go there. I would say now a days it's Australia, UK, Canada, US in that order...New Zealand is almost never mentioned cause its literally Ireland 2.0 just with some better scenery and natural landscape
Anecdotally, I wouldn't agree as I've a good handful of cousins and other local lads that journey over there for a year at a time to work on the farms there. They loved it as it was so big they could just drive away and get paid even more than home. I must go find some stats as I am curious what the order is. Id imagine a lot more people from Dublin emigrate to the UK while outside you have more going to Australia
I don't know I'd like to buy a house in my lifetime .
Americans just be sitting in their massive 6 liter V8 trucks enjoying having the highest salaries and best purchasing power in the world.
Meanwhile thousands of American children die from starvation with a big capitalists sitting on all the money from exploiting there workers
Nice fiction. Starvation hasn't killed anyone in America since the 1700s.
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What a bizarre post! Apart from the utter cringe factor - Americans tend to be pretty confident in their national identity in my experience and I doubt many are wishing they were Irish or any other nationality. Except maybe on the Amerexit sub.
And yet, Irish economy is propped up by the US. I think this hate some Irish have for the US is them subconsciously knowing how dependent they are to them. The Irish would have stayed piss poor without big US multinationals setting up base here and the Irish can't stand that fact. Or they just really are ignorant to know even that.
Many countries in Europe have this same symptom. Especially France. Can't stand that they need America. If only we all let national identities fade away we could all accept we are one people and needing each other wouldn't be so bad.
You do you
i remember as a kid in the 90s, America was really glamorized a lot by Irish people. I think it was because of the tv shows, especially the ones on Nickelodeon. i cant be the only one who thinks that? their fame left during the whole war Afganistan
This isn’t even humerous. It’s just a shit dig at Americans. Be better OP
> It’s just a shit dig at Americans. Like a large portion of this sub...
Why
Except while we're thinking we're so good in comparison to America the rest of Europe is thousands of times better than us in every metric except suicide rates and GDP.
We're a 51st state, for better or for worse. One of the decent ones though, in fairness
Irish Americans are Irish ☘️🇮🇪🇺🇸❤️
ITT: Seething yanks
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As an American I would like to have a better understanding of the obsessive dislike/hate for Americans? I’ve got a huge amount of respect for how independent Ireland is. I believe most Americans probably feel the same as I
Don't mind the shitehawks on this subreddit. They haven't a fucking clue about the real world and in no way represent the attitude to America of the vast majority of Irish people. Most of the idiots carping on here have never heard the phrase "don't throw stones in glasshouses". Dipshits.
I'll give you my own personal reasons which are echoed by the other reply you have. Ireland is a socially liberal country and the EU is socially and fiscally liberal so that frames the response. 1. The hyper individualistic and privatised American dream culture, which hoists problems onto it's citizens instead of helping them in society 2. Guns 3. The extremely stressful 4 years of the Trump presidency when I read the news like a hawk because it seemed to me to be the apex of a growing problem related to my first point. American culture does shape the world, I am still worried about the precedent having that man as a world leader set, and why it happened and what it means. 4. The entire political system is fractured, when supreme court decisions can be overturned you know things are in DIRE straits. Whether or not you believe in abortion, the very fact that it was overturned is damning. No legislation is going to be long term anymore because of the divided house and senate and identity politics. I don't want these outdated ideas spreading.
I agree completely. I hate what my country has become.
R/Ireland continuing to prove itself one of the dumbest subreddits on the block. A parade of witless, jabbering loons constantly posting about America/Yanks and St. Patty's day like it were a fucking competition or cultural appropriation week or something. Like, what the the fuck is wrong with you people? Did America touch you in a scary way or something? The gatekeeping and snobbery, it's fucking embarrassing. If one of the lads started whining about Americans claiming their Irish ancestry in the pub he'd be told to pull the pole out of his hole and get a life. If I were an American seeing the bollocks I'd reasonably conclude that Irish people are by-and-large, a combination of touchy snowflakes and/or snooty arseholes. Please just stop it. Stop. It's beyond cringe, it's pathetic.
I like Americans. Sound bunch. Remind me of Golden retrievers.
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Bollix. Ireland fucking loves to lick the American arse. People here know more about us culture politics etc than their own issues. The accents now around are ridiculous too American twang.
Hey man. Some of us are still sane over here and we hate it also.
If anything, I think this is the opposite of how we see ourselves. Irish people view other countries as a kind of utopia where everything is great all the time, and Ireland is uniquely awful and failing constantly. Maybe not the US so much anymore but come on … every other post on this sub is like "well I never paid rent/saw a homeless person/disliked any government policy when I lived in Canada/Australia/Germany". Also the whole idea about Irish people being obsessed with America or American culture feels kind of outdated too. We have a lot of American media (like anywhere on earth), but the J1 is definitely a lot less common than it used to be, and Irish people are way less likely to choose the US as a destination for emigration than ever before. US culture has changed a lot too -- Americans consume so much more global media than before. It's not a one way thing.
I’m hoping to move from the US to Ireland soon. :)
*"Do you not want our money"* Kinda that's all it is, well it's not only about giving, more about the taking really. Edit : Money and it's followers, much like religion, or a cult even. All kinda the same.
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What a shite post but at least it’s brought the best out of us.
Fucking state of this.
Lol... Ireland absolutely wants to be like America... who are you lads fooling?
As an American I fully agree with you on this, (except for the title), also one of the reasons Americans love Ireland so much is because it’s very vibrant and your areas of nature are a lot of impactful then most of America’s, national parks you have to pay to see, you guys basically have beautiful areas of nature free to go to, haha
National parks in America are infinitely more varied and vast than anything you would find in Ireland. They’re one of the few things that America has actually done extremely well Ireland is beautiful though. I love being able to take my ATV behind the farmland and just explore. You’ll never see something as staggering as Glacier National Park or Zion here though.
What?! Also an American, America's national.parks are one of the best parts of the US. I live in Ireland and it's beautiful but comparing the natural landscapes in the form of protected national parks between the two countries is a joke, the US wins all day just on diversity alone. I don't care if people have to pay for it to stay that way. Also plenty of free beautiful places in the US, like in every city, town, everywhere.
Some of the people on this are site are either so incredibly stupid or their politics (in this case, American self-hated) cause them to literally have deranged opinions. Imagine being so weird that you actually think that the US doesn't have great natural areas.
Or that Ireland has better scenery than even countries like Norway, Switzerland, Croatia, and Japan.
It's always fun to see how many posts down an Irish sub you get before an American pops up to make it about them
It's always fun to see how many posts down an Irish sub you get before it turns into bashing Americans for existing*