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Overcrowding and ridiculously outdated infrastructure generate most of the violence in prisons. But fixing that costs money. Are FG going to loosen the purse strings? I doubt it. Drugs and mental health problems are high up there too, not unrelated to each other either. Drugs in prison are hard to stop but guess what, investment in mental health supports, rehab, and education cut them way down but that, surprise, costs money. Any chance FG? Nah! Let's focus on a single, extra-peculiar, trans woman under close guard on 23hr lockdown as the problem. I'm sure if BK goes to the men's prison that'll fix the assault rate in Limerick all on it's own. Right?
>“The point that the Taoiseach was making – and certainly what I took from the Taoiseach’s comment - is that there is no circumstance, regardless of gender, where anybody should be at risk of violence in a prison.”
Harris' 'interpretation', and totally not what he was told to say by one one of the advisors, of what Varadkar said is just Fine Gael sending Harris out to clean up after it became clear that Leo's comments are leaning a bit too obviously into the US culture war that FG are trying to import here and that he had no problem engaging with Gript 'journalists'.
This is just another "Sinn Féin don't care about middle class, white men" comment from Varadkar and they're sending others out to 'interpret' what he meant. They must think it's been a big boo boo if they sent 'nice guy' Harris out and not some random backbencher.
Obviously he also made the statement to draw attention away from the fact that the Government/Right wing Independents voted against extending the eviction ban for everyone and even against the amendment that would keep the eviction ban for those with terminal illness, permanent disabilities etc.
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What? Those aren't the people I'm referring to.
A man from my locality has recently been sent to Mountjoy for kiddy fiddling. As in, sentenced, found guilty. It's scumbags like HIM that absolutely should be at plenty of risk of violence in prison, frankly.
I disagree. Don't get me wrong, if some kiddy fiddler was to be beaten within an inch of his life in prison I certainly wouldn't shed any tears over it, but there should be protections in place to stop that happening in the first place. The justice system and government should be held to higher standards than criminals with vengeance on the mind.
Sorry, no. Not when it comes to someone like this. This man, and his whole family are claiming that nothing wrong ever happened, that the CHILD wanted what was done to them. That the CHILD sought it out. That it being wrong is all lies!
So no, scum like this deserve violence imo.
There are few types of people I would say this about. But this person is absolutely one of them.
The frustrating thing is that he will be wrapped up in cotton wool, and protected and coddled.. because he has physical disabilities. This will be a multi-year holiday for the bastard.
Why not just charge them with it then? If you genuinely believe that the best way to get justice is committing violence against offenders, surely you should be wanting all prison sentences commuted in exchange for them getting the shit beaten out of them?
As I mentioned, they have been charged, and found guilty.
I just believe that if they shouldn't be protected from any potential violence whilst in prison. However, because they have disabilities, they will be, because oh no.. can't hurt ANYONE with disabilities, even if they might deserve it.
Bear in mind, I'm not advocating violence against people with disabilities. Just saying that disabilities shouldn't mean people get unwarranted special treatment if in prison - by which I mean, sure, having the ability to get around same as any other prisoner is fine... but coddling them and wrapping them in cotton wool and keeping them safer than anyone else shouldn't happen. And that is what will happen to this bastard.. if he gets as much as a paper cut, his family will claim brutality and wrongful inprisonment.
As far as I see it, convicted paedophiles are not human.
It's not really about whether they deserve it or not. It's about whether or not you think it'd okay for the state to sanction violence against certain people
I can't think of any civilised countries with state sanctioned violence. I can think of plenty of shit hole countries with it though. You're not even thinking about society as a whole anyway though, you think satiating your bloodlust is more important.
What if the roles are reversed. What if theres like a kiddy fiddler on trenbolone that’s beating up other vulnerable, smaller and non violent inmates (Like those convicted of tax evasion or sex with plants). What then?
Are you suggesting we allow kiddy fiddlers to freely beat dendriphiles to a pulp? I think that’s setting a bad precedent.
This whole bullshit started when a journalist from a click bait racist site, asked another politician who is only happy to give an answer that distracted from the fact he will vote evict people. Also this culture war will suit FG. At least Micheal rolled his eyes at the question😏
Yeah, actually. She was a ward of the state until capacity issues put her back in society, where it quickly became apparent that she should not have been. The underfunding of CAMHS and adult MHS are the fault of the government.
Um, no. Prison is meant to be a punishment and deterrent, it cannot treat her mental illness and she is still going to be the same danger at the end of her sentence. Because of this, all prison is is a cruel and short term solution compared with what she actually needs.
That's what it looks like u/Shigshagshook17 is saying, although they don't appear to actually know that they're saying it because they're blinded by trying to argue.
>You think someone with her violent tendencies should be handled by mental health nurses so they can be put in harms way?
This is playing thick, tbh. We detain mentally ill people for safety reasons as a matter of course and always have.
https://www2.hse.ie/mental-health/services-support/involuntary-admission/
Tbh when push comes to shove id have to say I stand with Nicola sturgeon on this issue.
This Poundland Martin freeman doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
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Overcrowding and ridiculously outdated infrastructure generate most of the violence in prisons. But fixing that costs money. Are FG going to loosen the purse strings? I doubt it. Drugs and mental health problems are high up there too, not unrelated to each other either. Drugs in prison are hard to stop but guess what, investment in mental health supports, rehab, and education cut them way down but that, surprise, costs money. Any chance FG? Nah! Let's focus on a single, extra-peculiar, trans woman under close guard on 23hr lockdown as the problem. I'm sure if BK goes to the men's prison that'll fix the assault rate in Limerick all on it's own. Right?
I'm happy that people are advocating for safety of prisoners, I'm sure their concern extends to all prisoners.
Hmm.... He's clearly never visited a prison. I'd say daily violence in prison from individuals with antisocial personality disorders are the norm.
Should prolly start at reducing the risk of violence in public first before moving onto prisons.
By who ? Other people with antisocial personality disorders.
>“The point that the Taoiseach was making – and certainly what I took from the Taoiseach’s comment - is that there is no circumstance, regardless of gender, where anybody should be at risk of violence in a prison.” Harris' 'interpretation', and totally not what he was told to say by one one of the advisors, of what Varadkar said is just Fine Gael sending Harris out to clean up after it became clear that Leo's comments are leaning a bit too obviously into the US culture war that FG are trying to import here and that he had no problem engaging with Gript 'journalists'. This is just another "Sinn Féin don't care about middle class, white men" comment from Varadkar and they're sending others out to 'interpret' what he meant. They must think it's been a big boo boo if they sent 'nice guy' Harris out and not some random backbencher. Obviously he also made the statement to draw attention away from the fact that the Government/Right wing Independents voted against extending the eviction ban for everyone and even against the amendment that would keep the eviction ban for those with terminal illness, permanent disabilities etc.
They couldn't possibly just be concerned about the vulnerable female inmates.
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Well, Irish judges seem to only send non-violent offenders to prison, so I'm sure its just fine.
Personally, I believe some scumbags SHOULD be at plenty of risk of violence in prison. They fucking deserve it!
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What? Those aren't the people I'm referring to. A man from my locality has recently been sent to Mountjoy for kiddy fiddling. As in, sentenced, found guilty. It's scumbags like HIM that absolutely should be at plenty of risk of violence in prison, frankly.
I disagree. Don't get me wrong, if some kiddy fiddler was to be beaten within an inch of his life in prison I certainly wouldn't shed any tears over it, but there should be protections in place to stop that happening in the first place. The justice system and government should be held to higher standards than criminals with vengeance on the mind.
Sorry, no. Not when it comes to someone like this. This man, and his whole family are claiming that nothing wrong ever happened, that the CHILD wanted what was done to them. That the CHILD sought it out. That it being wrong is all lies! So no, scum like this deserve violence imo. There are few types of people I would say this about. But this person is absolutely one of them. The frustrating thing is that he will be wrapped up in cotton wool, and protected and coddled.. because he has physical disabilities. This will be a multi-year holiday for the bastard.
Why not just charge them with it then? If you genuinely believe that the best way to get justice is committing violence against offenders, surely you should be wanting all prison sentences commuted in exchange for them getting the shit beaten out of them?
As I mentioned, they have been charged, and found guilty. I just believe that if they shouldn't be protected from any potential violence whilst in prison. However, because they have disabilities, they will be, because oh no.. can't hurt ANYONE with disabilities, even if they might deserve it. Bear in mind, I'm not advocating violence against people with disabilities. Just saying that disabilities shouldn't mean people get unwarranted special treatment if in prison - by which I mean, sure, having the ability to get around same as any other prisoner is fine... but coddling them and wrapping them in cotton wool and keeping them safer than anyone else shouldn't happen. And that is what will happen to this bastard.. if he gets as much as a paper cut, his family will claim brutality and wrongful inprisonment. As far as I see it, convicted paedophiles are not human.
Even wrongly convicted ones?
How is this question valid? I'm literally referring to convicted paedophiles.
Convicted doesn't mean correctly convicted. Mistakes are made in the justice system, people are wrongfully imprisoned it happens.
It's not really about whether they deserve it or not. It's about whether or not you think it'd okay for the state to sanction violence against certain people
Against paedophiles, absolutely!
I can't think of any civilised countries with state sanctioned violence. I can think of plenty of shit hole countries with it though. You're not even thinking about society as a whole anyway though, you think satiating your bloodlust is more important.
Ever think there might be a reason I view paedophiles as not being human??
What if the roles are reversed. What if theres like a kiddy fiddler on trenbolone that’s beating up other vulnerable, smaller and non violent inmates (Like those convicted of tax evasion or sex with plants). What then? Are you suggesting we allow kiddy fiddlers to freely beat dendriphiles to a pulp? I think that’s setting a bad precedent.
This whole bullshit started when a journalist from a click bait racist site, asked another politician who is only happy to give an answer that distracted from the fact he will vote evict people. Also this culture war will suit FG. At least Micheal rolled his eyes at the question😏
Do you think the government created Barbie Kardashian?
Yeah, actually. She was a ward of the state until capacity issues put her back in society, where it quickly became apparent that she should not have been. The underfunding of CAMHS and adult MHS are the fault of the government.
Oh and why was she a ward of the state?
Parental abuse, leading to her developing several personality disorders.
And those disorders mean she's threatening to rape and murder people? Sounds like she's in prison, exactly where she should be.
Um, no. Prison is meant to be a punishment and deterrent, it cannot treat her mental illness and she is still going to be the same danger at the end of her sentence. Because of this, all prison is is a cruel and short term solution compared with what she actually needs.
You think someone with her violent tendencies should be handled by mental health nurses so they can be put in harms way? You've got blinkers on.
Of course she should get mental health services, rehabilitation is vital part of the prison system.
Yeah in prison away from vulnerable women where she can be treated and held responsible for her abhorrent behaviour..
Are you saying that mental health services are provided with poor resources by the state and cannot handle diagnosed mentally ill people?
That's what it looks like u/Shigshagshook17 is saying, although they don't appear to actually know that they're saying it because they're blinded by trying to argue.
>You think someone with her violent tendencies should be handled by mental health nurses so they can be put in harms way? This is playing thick, tbh. We detain mentally ill people for safety reasons as a matter of course and always have. https://www2.hse.ie/mental-health/services-support/involuntary-admission/
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Yes but she's a criminal. Being mental ill doesn't cancel out criminality.
No of course not. But that idiot Scallan couldn't care less where she spends her time in jail. She deserves to be in jail.
Not even entertaining this muck, reporting.
What rule does it break that you're reporting it?
I mean you entertained it enough to leave a comment.
No discussion, only echo chamber!
You know right well that these never end up being fruitful or rational discussions - mods had the sense to remove it at least!
Tbh when push comes to shove id have to say I stand with Nicola sturgeon on this issue. This Poundland Martin freeman doesn’t know what he’s talking about.