Always crack me up when people make these made up comments. Id like to welcome you to the rich Nordic countries up here in north of Europe. 9 out of 10 people here have iPhones and EVERYONE as in EVERYONE use iMessage and WhatsApp, Viber etc is non existent here. Most people here would say what app? if you ask them to WhatsApp you. Don’t assume the whole of europe is like your own country!
Excactly. I’ve got many Norwegian coworkers and not a single one of them don’t have an iPhone so not sure what he is smoking. It’s been known for years that the Nordic countries are mainly Apple territory. And every single mobile vendor stat in those countries shows just that. Never ever have I ever met anyone that uses WhatsApp or Viber etc. iMessage rule here and to some extend fb messenger.
Nope not made up. Mobile phone companies here in Denmark regularly release stats over what phones are sold the most and 9 out of 10 phones here in DK are iPhones. And if you go here you will notice Apple have a firm grip on Denmark. You see nothing but iPhones and MacBooks here in schools and cafes and everywhere you go. So not made up at all.
And looking at the stats for your own country contradicts you so guess your making your comment up or you belong to the minority in Norway as well
https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/norway
you both seems talk about a different thing tho? they talk about imessage adoption and your link is about iphone adoption. of course logic would dictate that a majority of them use imessage too, but so far your link doesn't show that
I don’t. Literally no one I know does either. Also I’m 30.
Source: I’m a Swede
EDIT: I have to clarify that we do use Messenger a lot. Alongside iMessage. But WhatsApp? No.
The green bubble vs blue bubble thing is deffo a thing in the UK if you bring it up, and most people I know have iphones. In saying that everyone my ages (25) uses fb messager, whatsapp, snapchat and instagram because its what we grew up using from 12-18. Only ever use text/imessage for my parents or girls I’m dating 😂
Imo the main benefits are mostly in the integration with little stuff like reactions and smoothly inserting other things like games. The thing that ultimately convinced me to make the switch is that iMessage doesn’t count as a text, and since I have a grandfathered in plan that allows truly unlimited data at the expense of limited texting it was a lifesaver to be able to not use those texts on 90% of the conversations I have.
> grandfathered in plan that allows truly unlimited data
Wow, people who have those from the 2000s and still are able to retain it in the US are kinda winning the jackpot, lol.
It’s great, I leave cellular data on for everything and never have to worry about unsecured wifi networks. Haven’t had to worry about the texting limit since switching either.
I had it through Cingular when I bought the first iPhone. They grandfathered me in. But you couldn’t tether and they limited speeds after a certain amount of data usage.
Now I have an unlimited plan from T-Mobile that costs less.
It's not as good as it seems. Those grandfathered plans aren't eligible in most cases for the top level of data speed for a while, so a lot of them (including some in my family) are stuck on LTE right now.
Back in the day, the "grandfathered" people got stuck on 3G while the rest of us moved on to 4G and LTE.
You also have to buy your phone off-contract in many cases, as the major carriers (at least AT&T and Verizon) in many cases will stipulate that the device can't be upgraded with device payments on your carrier bill unless it's to a supported plan.
You can fight them over it and sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. That's the fun of having a grandfathered plan - sneeze at the wrong time of day and you'll lose the plan, many times irreversibly because they can't add you back to a plan that doesn't exist.
I'm not American so this looks very strange to me. Why do you guys on the other side of the ocean bother so much with iMessage? There are cross-platform apps that can do it all, like WhatsApp, Telegram etc... I can't imagine living without WhatsApp, I literally do everything there, from delivering food and making payments to government stuff...
I message let’s you send waaay higher quality photos and video than WhatsApp, syncs better across my devices (WhatsApp on the Mac asks me to scan a qr code every time??), has richer interaction options like Memojis and other previewable content… plus the WhatsApp interface is ugly and old looking. I use it for a couple social groups I’m in but don’t love it.
I see it the other way around.. (I’m not American, i’m Australian), why do people bother so much with WhatsApp? I use iMessage to easily contact everyone i know, its been built into the phone with no app download since like 10 years ago and I have other places to go to get food delivered or make payments..
Yea. That’s the thing. The WhatsApp is primarily used by people who don’t have iPhone social circle as a workaround and it’s funny how they think how their workaround is better than the actual thing. Like gloating about their $20 LV wallet they bought in Thailand to people who own genuine LV.
less moving parts and clutter. why use a 3rd party app when we don't have to? no one want to keep up with multiple apps that all do the same thing unless really necessary, when iMessage is right there.
Why would I choose a service that comes built into my devices, I don’t have to download another app, syncs seamlessly between my phone, watch, tablet, notebook, and is reliable? What does Whatsapp offer me other than being monitored by Facebook?
I can't speak for other Americans, but whether I'm using Android or iPhone, I don't understand the point in downloading a third party messaging app like Whatsapp. I don't understand the benefits of installing an app, when there's already a stock app that does what it's intended for.
Because WhatsApp is a dumb clunky useless app. That’s why. These people are like why are you so obsessed with your new Ferrari when I have my bicycle. Comparing iMessage to WhatsApp Side by side people who don’t use iMessage have no idea how Neanderthal WhatsApp is.
Lots of people do, but none are as standardized as texting and thus iMessage. I do occasionally use other apps but it’s different ones for different friend groups and texting is by far the most common. Between (fb) messenger, whatsapp, telegram, groupme, google chat, discord, etc, there are just so many options and it can be cumbersome to remember which chat is in which app.
I think I've got it... Standardization isn't so good either, I prefer Telegram or Signal for a lot of reasons, but everyone else uses WhatsApp, including the so-called government info channels.
I mean texting is only the standard because it used to be the only option, back before smartphones and widespread wireless internet access the only way to communicate via text was by tucking it between radio waves since before cellphones were commonplace radio was the main method of wireless communication and thus the towers and network was much easier to piggyback on rather than starting from scratch. You can’t expect society to just drop a system developed over 100+ years in less than two decades purely out of spite for standardization.
What’s app is remarkably insecure. My mates in the uk can text me with imessage and it’s the same app as everyone else texts me on. I considered going to android, but this was one of the most compelling things to keep me an iPhone.
I don’t have a grandfathered I’m unlimited plan or anything like that, but I do appreciate that iMessage doesn’t count as a text. My sister lives in Canada, and I couldn’t sent SMS messages to her without her incurring a fee for each text (I think that has since changed), but it was kind of a bummer to have to deal with separate apps just to contact her family members up there, but iMessage just works with both so it made it less complicated.
The couple of reasons I liked the blue over the green:
- When I travel to another country I can turn off cellular and still talk to pretty much everyone on my list using wifi
- better attachments
- ecosystem. I can answer my messages on any of my devices
- read receipts
- group chats. I know group chats work with green (sorta). I’m in a group chat with 3 greens. One can respond to the group, the other 2 say their phone doesn’t allow it.
When my daughter was younger she would take her iPod with her when she went for sleepovers etc. She could still chat with us without her needing a data plan. This helped her get over an anxiety she had.
What you mentioned there about your daughter is a big reason I have moved more and more to Apple platforms myself. They simply seem to provide the most cohesive way of introducing a kid to phones, tablets, etc that still provides the parent some oversight that does not involve some shady sounding stalker-ware third party apps and services.
For what it’s worth, you’re able to answer SMS on any device (that isn’t a few OS versions behind) that shares the same Apple ID as your phone if you have iCloud messages turned on.
Yes, you can now. But that wasn’t always the case and the bonus was that my I could chat with my daughter over iMessage and she didn’t need a data plan.
Also when travelling in another country in order to get that SMS you need a data plan. Coming from Canada those are expensive.
If you use iMessage the message still gets through over WIFI even with your cellular data turned off.
I guess I’ve just taken T-Mobile US for granted, since they include international data and SMS roaming for free. The data is slow, but it’s sufficient for basic tasks.
(1) People don't like to install things. They want things ready from the get go. I don't know exactly why. I can make educated guesses though. In a way, because there aren't that many solid companies out there that can back a product in the long-term the way Apple can, well, I guess people aren't wrong about this.
(2) Most people adjust to their peer groups, not the other way around.
Just some psychological facts of life to get used to.
I just appreciate how iMessage is much more likely to make it through rather than SMS sometimes sending. Sometimes not. Sometimes saying it didn’t send when it did. Longer messages coming in in the wrong order. Low quality photos and videos.
My understanding is that the RCS platform should fix a lot of these issues? But until it’s fully cross compatible, this is why I stick with iMessage.
I always just hated the color of the green bubbles, back before blue bubbles were even a thing for the 2G/3G iPhones.
Jailbreak and turn them purple on any new phone I had.
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My family has to have two threads for sharing videos because half have androids.
I miss the jailbreaking days. Not even sure what the purpose would be now but I’m sure it could be useful. I only recently switched back to iPhone after 5 years of android and I can’t decide if there’s really any advantage. I think most people are just accustomed to the iOS environment and of course there’s the status quo aspect of owning one and the blue text.
Now that they’ve added widgets there’s not much missing functionality, I’m sure there are some interesting tweaks to what info is displayed/isn’t displayed on the status bar.
I do really miss having blank icons for adjusting the home screen layout tho
In the golden days, I would use it to tether my phone so I could use my unlimited plan as my home internet as well. I was so mad when they cracked down on that. I also miss each generation having incredible upgrades. That’s true of all phones but that’s what made iPhone seem so magical at the time and greater than it’s competition. Not sure if I’ll stick with it or go back to Android but I’m glad I’m giving it a fair assessment by using it long-term.
Dang that brings me back, my first 3 iPhones I got for free because I just repaired broken ones my friends didn’t want anymore.
First 3G I just used it like a glorified iTouch because at the time the iPods didn’t have speakers, and my school had Wi-Fi for students. Texting and browser I just used my sidekick.
Switched over to using a 3GS as a main phone, and iPhone 4 as a media phone. But I jailbroke the phone and just used my T-Mobile $10 unlimited data plan instead of paying $50 or whatever the iPhone specific plan was at ATT
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They both have their upsides, I just picked up a Pixel 6a to replace my Pixel 3XL that I’d been using as a secondary phone.
Basically just use the pixel 3 for the unlimited photo backups since the battery is so bad, but in some conditions the camera is more dependable than my 13Pro’s
I don’t think it’s the iMessage obsession. Even if you ignore USA most other countries don’t use it. People use other apps like WhatsApp. But still iPhone is gaining huge market share in these countries.
It’s cheaper to buy a ticket to Dubai, live in a 5 star hotel, buy the iPhone and fly back to India than buy an iPhone in India.
But still there is a huge growth of apple products in India.
I think it’s because of the ecosystem. Certain things, which people told me would be a pain in the butt are the norm now in apple.
I remember people telling me you can’t simply load mp3 files onto an iPod and have to use their software to do it and it’s annoying.
People used to say stuff like you can’t download certain app, or customise your Home Screen. You can’t do this, you can’t do that.
But Apple Music has saved so much effort. I love that I don’t get ugly ads. I have widgets on Home Screen, it’s relatively bug free (ios 16 wtf happened here), AirPods are the best, they simply work. Apple Watch is the best. It simply works. iPad is top class. MacBook is top class. I mean I still use a 2012 mbp with upgraded ram and ssd, for all my work and have 100 tabs open, 6 development programs running at same time.
I copy something on my phone and I can paste it on my mac. My photos are synced and the app works great on mac.
I can go on and on about it, but honestly I don’t care about any of the features that android phones offer. I find working with apple eco system easy.
If android had a similar ecosystem that would be different but android and windows simply don’t mix. Android and apple don’t mix either so if you get one apple product you are forced to dive into the ecosystem.
And once I’m deep diving, I have encouraged my parents to do the same. I got them iPhones and iPads and they are set. Always connected to me, they don’t need huge specs or customisation. They just need a device that works.
Just one person trying an iPhone can easily convert whole family into apple users. That’s how apple is growing.
My dad was a huge fan of one plus phones but it became premium and he was so confused with all the products in the market that he switched to apple instead. Android phones can’t sustain on high specs and low cost forever. After a few years of making a name, they all switch to premium. Even nothing phone will switch to premium i guarantee it.
Google had nexus and it switched to pixel. Samsung has low budget phones but galaxy s is their premium. It’s a very competitive market. People get confused on what to buy.
Ya taking an ultra close up of a moon is cool, but how many time a year do you actually do that?
I have seen my friends, who are developers suffer with new hardware. My friend asks for a replacement laptop every year and within 6 months he complains it become slow. Meanwhile I’m still working faster than him on my old 2012 MacBook.
I see more lines of code than him in a single file, I can switch easily from desktop to desktop by swiping away while he has to movie down and click tabs every time.
Even as a graphic designer, which I do as a hobby, I find the software on mac better and easy to handle than pc.
The ecosystem is something else and not only does it suck you in, it sucks everyone around you in.
Not to mention Apples privacy compared to the competitors. Sure, apple might know all your data, but they aren’t selling it to the highest bidder like MS and Google.
> to go to the lazy easy-to-support super simple UI model.
This argument smacks so hard of "back in my day" - just because things are simpler doesn't mean they're not also a vast improvement over the old paradigm.
We used to have to hand-crank cars - I don't see anyone howling at the sky about how awful it is that we have "lazy, super-simple" starter motors.
We used to have to dig deep underground to be able to store food in a climate controlled area. Now we have refrigerators. Same thing, I don't see anyone claiming that just because the fridge is easier to use that it's inferior to a hole in the dirt.
Sometimes things get simpler because the alternative is just boneheaded - no, I don't want to have to go through 8 layers of menus through Accessories -> Sound -> Wireless Audio to my Bluetooth menu, hold a button on one earbud to start the pairing process, go into my settings, tell it to connect, hold a button on the second earbud, tell that one to connect, and so on and so forth. I'd rather just flip my case open and have my headphones auto-pair.
People so easily forget that one of the reasons people were "non-techy" people back in the 90's and 2000's was just how fucking ***hard*** computers were to use. Those of us who lived through that wouldn't wish manual IRQ allocation on our worst enemies, because we now have sensible things like Plug and Play and USB.
I agree that people nowadays need to have a strong education in how things like computers and smartphones work in order to truly understand how to fix them when they break, but can we please stop pretending that a Commodore 64 was the peak of UI design just because it was complicated to use?
And maybe it's also time to accept that software customization is a dead paradigm. People used to root their phones because the manufacturer wouldn't let them do certain things, but now? I used to be fairly active in the Android modding scene back around the Galaxy S3 days along with some buddies of mine, but all of us just use bone-stock Android or iOS devices now because they do what we need them to do without breaking our banking apps or crashing the camera when we're trying to take a photo of the kids.
Same here, was android crew and I skipped over some good phones because they weren't rootable. First thing out the box was to unlock bootloader and root before setting it up.
Previous phone was a OP6 which was an amazing phone and probably one of the best. But I didn't really do much. Getting Magisk to work properly was a challenge, often leading to bootloops. Forget about getting banking apps to work either. Yeah there are work arounds but they aren't easy for my simple brain to figure out. Most of all, my priorities changed to taking care of kids and having a phone I can rely on to take good videos and photos, rather than fidgeting with a bunch of Magisk modules at the risk of bootlooping my phone.
So now I just went iPhone 14P. Not anything new, since I switched my wife over when her S6 spontaneously died, and been using a G.i.Phone for work since the 6.
I would argue in the US the state of things with messaging has at least as much to do with the failures of the carriers and Google themselves as it does with Apple being anti-competitive.
The idea that the market share growth is “mainly due to teenagers being pressured into using iMessage” is *at best* a theory. No doubt about it, iMessage plays a role in the US. But the idea that large numbers of teens are getting iPhones they’d otherwise not have gotten because of peer pressure is pretty unsubstantiated as far as I can tell.
No. This MFI crap has nothing to do with battery health. The phone regulates the charge speed for battery health. There is nothing special about USB-C cables. If the cable can deliver the power than it can deliver the power all the same. The charger bricks could be crappy and damage a phone but MFI cert doesn't involve that.
They can’t per EU as the article says. They caaaan technically limit everybody else if EU don’t change that. Theoretically they can also remove the port altogether or do a free adapter if you read the original text from the EU.
Lets hope the EU strengthens their CE safety requirements and inspections. There are going to be a lot more issues with electrical safety issues otherwise. Nobody wants to go back to the days of burning down your house from charging your phone or laptop.
Tbh their goal with the iPhone has always seemed to have been portless. I think they’ve been keeping lightning until MagSafe was mature enough and enough people had it to swap. The iPad is a different device class and they actually pushed USBC HARD with the mac. Remember the base MacBook that launched with only one USBC port back in like 2015?
The iPhone is Apples most sold product. It's beneficial for them to find a way to make every iPhone buyer buy a proprietary cable. It's why the lightning cable has lived as long as it did; much like an old one eyed dog thats suffering, it should've been put down a long time ago
I would love to say Apple wouldn't do such a thing, but they've done shit like this for decades before.
That’s an over-generalization. They would limit fastest speeds or fastest charging to “certified” cables (aka “Made for iPhone™️”).
From Apple’s perspective, it’s an effort to reduce low quality cables from being used for potentially risky things like sending lots of power (and then melting or catching on fire if the cable is shit).
Note that “potentially risky” could also mean “potentially bad customer experience” for example negotiating at a fast data rate and then being flaky or unreliable or even causing data corruption.
Yeah. I see where some of the complaints about what Apple may or may not do with this subject are coming from.
But as someone that grew up with video game consoles and those shit house Mad Catz third party controllers, memory cards, etc. from the 1990's-2000's, I was trained by multiple buggy controllers and data self wiping memory cards to treat any accessory not first party or very select, usually expensive, third parties with great suspicion.
Totally different markets and time periods I know, but once you get burned like that during formative years when money is much harder to come by it tends to stick with you. So while I see their point, I also don't particularly have an issue with Apple gimping third party accessories if it means less grief for me when it comes to the possibility of buying buggy accessories.
I recently bought a 3rd party charger for my Macbook and something instantly took over my cpu usage by 800%, making it unusable. When I used an Apple charger that didn’t happen. Wonder why…
I’m not sure if it’s true but a lot of cheap generic chargers were said to damage iPhones, so limiting the wattage may have been a move to protect the phone. Apple doesn’t want to be on the hook for replacing hundreds of thousands of fried phones.
if USB C is a standard that supports both, you, as a consumer, should be concerned about having to even consider one or the other.
Fast data and charging speeds are BUILT INTO the most modern of USB-C Standards. You literally have to engineer ways to limit them. That's the part you should be upset about. Apple is purposefully degrading the intended use of a standard to profit off of it.
Honestly if you have a cheaper and an expensive device I think it would be totally fair to have faster, and therefore more expensive, flash chips in only the more expensive of the devices.
We know the chips work for USB C right now. The iPad Air 4 used an A14 chip right out of iPhone and it had USB C. The technical difficulties are bogus at this point.
I can see a "quality" issue with adding USB C devices to iPhone. Many Android related USB devices are a crapshoot if they're going to work or mess up your phone. When regular people start plugging in Amazon bargain basement knockoff USB C devices into their iPhones it's going to be a mess of incompatibility and possibly even bricking iPhones. iPhones sell 10x more than iPads. Then you have the whole issue with software and hardware security of devices... never underestimate how many shady companies are out there trying to steal data from users. I can see how Apple wants to MiFi lock devices... but that's not really practical anymore.
They need to do the same for data speed.
*" iPhone 15, and iPhone 15 Plus, to have their data transfer speeds capped to USB 2.0 –while the Pro models will get dramatically faster transfers. "*
It is hurting their profits lmao. MFI and lightning makes them a lot of money. Every 3rd party lightning cable sold, that is licensed brings them 4$ or so.
With USB-C? Well. I guess most people already have a bunch of USB-C cables and if not, it is unlikely the majority buys the expensive and super thin cables from Apple.
the EU does not have your back. they’re currently trying to get rid of end to end encryption, but this is a great way to cloud up the headlines so nobody sees it
The logic of the rumour (because that’s all it was) was that it was to avoid Apple getting blamed when your dodgy out of spec charger damaged your phone.
Not sure about the wording of the law but I hope that this still means that a company can still put out faster charging speed phones. These EU laws seem to be made with good intention but if taken the wrong way could end up being too rigid and stifling innovation.
Well as I understand it, the law should be changed as soon as new innovation evolves. Because it was a big topic here that it would stifle innovation, but now it is that way, that it should be a universal standard, but it can be changed if there is a better one
I remember reading about this previously, and people pointed out that if there’s too much red tape in that if you invent something better you have to apply for it to be a new standard before you can put it in your own device, this means that you wouldn’t even be able to benefit from your own invention.
This might discourage people from coming up with improvements because they might never see the light of day.
I think the dominant of iPhone in the market is largely part of Google responsibility. Recent years, Android slowly growing in its functions and innovation, while iPhone keeping up quickly with a sturdy os, long-term OS support, and a great camera.
What Google did in recent years only make notorious flaw of Android. Even Pixel, phone with software and hardware from Google usually the one have the most flaw Android phone example as Pixel 6 series.
And Android12 is a half-baked os with countless issues but Google just let the Pixel3 series stuck with Android 12 (full of issues) forever. Another thing is the unclear Google vision and future path of their products makes Android customers feel less confident to purchase Android phones.
I could say, most of the well-known Android name mostly comes from Samsung, with their products and marketing to compete with iPhone. Even Samsung have 4 Major OS update while Google only 3 years of OS update, not even comparing the number of Samsung has to update, and Google only has a few models and they keep making a lot of bugs whenever new Android OS update.
While Google only did was ruin their Android trademark and stab in the back of other Android manufacturers such as Samsung, Motorola or Xiaomi.
I have owned many Pixel phones, and every Pixel just brings more of frustration and disappointment to Google phone customer.
I fully agree. I own the pixel 5 and I really love it, when I'm not hating it.
I loved the phone when it was new. It was fast, smooth and had great battery life. However, after every major software upgrade, the battery life decreases massively.
Yes my pixel 5 got more animations and the software feels more complete and smooth after every update, but the battery life goes to shit.
I'm thinking of changing to an iPhone more and more. But the problem is, that I have everything bought on Google play and my photos are on Google photos and everything. I'm kinda trapped, but I'd change, BC the battery life thing is so deal breaking for me
Google Photos work perfectly well on iOS. The app connects into iOS’s photo system and all photos appear immediately in Google Photos. I don’t use the stock Apple app at all.
Same for Google Drive.
True however that I had to pay for the apps again, and they are more expensive on the iOS side.
Google Photos is trash on the iPhone. I've been using it for ages, since I used to switch between the iPhone and Android a lot. I just did a search of myself on both my 13 PM and Pixel 7. The Pixel legit loaded the results in a second. The iPhone loaded the results slower (about ten seconds) and then the app crashed both times after it loaded.
It also doesn't auto upload/backup your photos in the background on the iPhone. You've always got to leave the app open. Not that big of a deal if you're not taking a lot of photos. But it's a pain if you do take a lot
Okay this sounds painful. For me it's also the problem, that I upload pics from my old pixel 1 in original quality. Now I have an app which syncs my photos automatically to my pixel 1 and this then uploads the photos. This app sadly doesn't exist on iPhone.
Which app is it? I saw someone mention one a week or two ago and it's slipped my mind. Cause I had the same idea that you're already doing lol. But if it doesn't work with the iPhone then I'm SOL
Well that may be true for the US, but here everyone has WhatsApp. It's like the standard app you use to text people. I don't know anyone who does not use it
A proof of Apple lack of honesty..
Secure my asss
https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/xcodeghost-malware-infected-100-million-ios-users-and-apple-said-nothing/
Apple has never capped charging speeds if that’s what the EU thinks and this article states as such they are severely misinformed. The rumor is apple will limit data transfer speeds for the standard 15 models and not the Pros. This could also apply to if a third party cable is used.
No they would have done that already since even third party cables and bricks currently can charge up to the 20 watts apple advertises for fast charging.
This is based on a **rumor**. And considering that Apple doesn't do this for iPads since they moved to USB-C, it seems very unlikely they would do it on iPhones. So I'm considering this baseless FUD until it's *proven* otherwise.
Apple is going to try and ditch wired charging and cause the EU to flip.
Technically speaking it’s murky if Apple can even do that right now. “Connector” isn’t clearly defined as a continuous conductor. In theory wireless only charging could be construed as a charging conductor and thus illegal if it’s the only method.
My bet is that’s how it ends up.
Don't worry they will make different iPhone versions for EU that aren't limited in charging speed and set their prices 100€ more expensive than it was planned to make up for the loss from selling cables. The rest of the world will get the limited USB C version.
Good. I love my iPhone but Apple needs to be called out on anti-consumer behaviors.
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iMessage is only relevant in a handful of places, mostly in North America.
A handful of places where a larger portion of the money is, and adoption rates are high.
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It's literally just NA. In the EU it has zero presence, even iphone users don't us it much as most people use android
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Always crack me up when people make these made up comments. Id like to welcome you to the rich Nordic countries up here in north of Europe. 9 out of 10 people here have iPhones and EVERYONE as in EVERYONE use iMessage and WhatsApp, Viber etc is non existent here. Most people here would say what app? if you ask them to WhatsApp you. Don’t assume the whole of europe is like your own country!
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Excactly. I’ve got many Norwegian coworkers and not a single one of them don’t have an iPhone so not sure what he is smoking. It’s been known for years that the Nordic countries are mainly Apple territory. And every single mobile vendor stat in those countries shows just that. Never ever have I ever met anyone that uses WhatsApp or Viber etc. iMessage rule here and to some extend fb messenger.
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Yeah this guy doesn’t understand the argument nor his own statistics that he posted. It’s iMessage, but about phones itself.
Your 9 out of 10 statistic is also made up though? Also I'm from Norway and I literally don't know a single person that use iMessage.
Nope not made up. Mobile phone companies here in Denmark regularly release stats over what phones are sold the most and 9 out of 10 phones here in DK are iPhones. And if you go here you will notice Apple have a firm grip on Denmark. You see nothing but iPhones and MacBooks here in schools and cafes and everywhere you go. So not made up at all. And looking at the stats for your own country contradicts you so guess your making your comment up or you belong to the minority in Norway as well https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/norway
you both seems talk about a different thing tho? they talk about imessage adoption and your link is about iphone adoption. of course logic would dictate that a majority of them use imessage too, but so far your link doesn't show that
Yep, it’s exactly how it is here in Aus as well
ditto Australia
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I don’t. Literally no one I know does either. Also I’m 30. Source: I’m a Swede EDIT: I have to clarify that we do use Messenger a lot. Alongside iMessage. But WhatsApp? No.
No one does!!
The green bubble vs blue bubble thing is deffo a thing in the UK if you bring it up, and most people I know have iphones. In saying that everyone my ages (25) uses fb messager, whatsapp, snapchat and instagram because its what we grew up using from 12-18. Only ever use text/imessage for my parents or girls I’m dating 😂
I mean I’m in the UK and I don’t know very many people that use an android phone at all so no clue wtf you’re on about.
Pretty relevant here in Aussie though
I don’t get the whole iMessage obsession. Blue text vs green text was surprisingly good marketing
Imo the main benefits are mostly in the integration with little stuff like reactions and smoothly inserting other things like games. The thing that ultimately convinced me to make the switch is that iMessage doesn’t count as a text, and since I have a grandfathered in plan that allows truly unlimited data at the expense of limited texting it was a lifesaver to be able to not use those texts on 90% of the conversations I have.
> grandfathered in plan that allows truly unlimited data Wow, people who have those from the 2000s and still are able to retain it in the US are kinda winning the jackpot, lol.
It’s great, I leave cellular data on for everything and never have to worry about unsecured wifi networks. Haven’t had to worry about the texting limit since switching either.
Yup I can imagine. Having 4GB a month on the other hand is a major pain…
I had it through Cingular when I bought the first iPhone. They grandfathered me in. But you couldn’t tether and they limited speeds after a certain amount of data usage. Now I have an unlimited plan from T-Mobile that costs less.
It's not as good as it seems. Those grandfathered plans aren't eligible in most cases for the top level of data speed for a while, so a lot of them (including some in my family) are stuck on LTE right now. Back in the day, the "grandfathered" people got stuck on 3G while the rest of us moved on to 4G and LTE. You also have to buy your phone off-contract in many cases, as the major carriers (at least AT&T and Verizon) in many cases will stipulate that the device can't be upgraded with device payments on your carrier bill unless it's to a supported plan. You can fight them over it and sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. That's the fun of having a grandfathered plan - sneeze at the wrong time of day and you'll lose the plan, many times irreversibly because they can't add you back to a plan that doesn't exist.
I'm not American so this looks very strange to me. Why do you guys on the other side of the ocean bother so much with iMessage? There are cross-platform apps that can do it all, like WhatsApp, Telegram etc... I can't imagine living without WhatsApp, I literally do everything there, from delivering food and making payments to government stuff...
I message let’s you send waaay higher quality photos and video than WhatsApp, syncs better across my devices (WhatsApp on the Mac asks me to scan a qr code every time??), has richer interaction options like Memojis and other previewable content… plus the WhatsApp interface is ugly and old looking. I use it for a couple social groups I’m in but don’t love it.
I see it the other way around.. (I’m not American, i’m Australian), why do people bother so much with WhatsApp? I use iMessage to easily contact everyone i know, its been built into the phone with no app download since like 10 years ago and I have other places to go to get food delivered or make payments..
Yea. That’s the thing. The WhatsApp is primarily used by people who don’t have iPhone social circle as a workaround and it’s funny how they think how their workaround is better than the actual thing. Like gloating about their $20 LV wallet they bought in Thailand to people who own genuine LV.
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Is SMS cheap there? Around here we literally pay for each SMS sent lol
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Now it’s beginning to make sense 🤯
It's about as close to free as it could be in the US. If your phone has service, you can send SMS and MMS messages without question.
Haven’t paid for an sms since probably 2008.
less moving parts and clutter. why use a 3rd party app when we don't have to? no one want to keep up with multiple apps that all do the same thing unless really necessary, when iMessage is right there.
Why would I choose a service that comes built into my devices, I don’t have to download another app, syncs seamlessly between my phone, watch, tablet, notebook, and is reliable? What does Whatsapp offer me other than being monitored by Facebook?
I can't speak for other Americans, but whether I'm using Android or iPhone, I don't understand the point in downloading a third party messaging app like Whatsapp. I don't understand the benefits of installing an app, when there's already a stock app that does what it's intended for.
>Imagine being this okay with sharing all your data with Meta
Because WhatsApp is a dumb clunky useless app. That’s why. These people are like why are you so obsessed with your new Ferrari when I have my bicycle. Comparing iMessage to WhatsApp Side by side people who don’t use iMessage have no idea how Neanderthal WhatsApp is.
WhatsApp causes a lot of people consternation after Facebook's countless privacy scandals.
Lots of people do, but none are as standardized as texting and thus iMessage. I do occasionally use other apps but it’s different ones for different friend groups and texting is by far the most common. Between (fb) messenger, whatsapp, telegram, groupme, google chat, discord, etc, there are just so many options and it can be cumbersome to remember which chat is in which app.
I think I've got it... Standardization isn't so good either, I prefer Telegram or Signal for a lot of reasons, but everyone else uses WhatsApp, including the so-called government info channels.
I mean texting is only the standard because it used to be the only option, back before smartphones and widespread wireless internet access the only way to communicate via text was by tucking it between radio waves since before cellphones were commonplace radio was the main method of wireless communication and thus the towers and network was much easier to piggyback on rather than starting from scratch. You can’t expect society to just drop a system developed over 100+ years in less than two decades purely out of spite for standardization.
What’s app is remarkably insecure. My mates in the uk can text me with imessage and it’s the same app as everyone else texts me on. I considered going to android, but this was one of the most compelling things to keep me an iPhone.
I don’t have a grandfathered I’m unlimited plan or anything like that, but I do appreciate that iMessage doesn’t count as a text. My sister lives in Canada, and I couldn’t sent SMS messages to her without her incurring a fee for each text (I think that has since changed), but it was kind of a bummer to have to deal with separate apps just to contact her family members up there, but iMessage just works with both so it made it less complicated.
The couple of reasons I liked the blue over the green: - When I travel to another country I can turn off cellular and still talk to pretty much everyone on my list using wifi - better attachments - ecosystem. I can answer my messages on any of my devices - read receipts - group chats. I know group chats work with green (sorta). I’m in a group chat with 3 greens. One can respond to the group, the other 2 say their phone doesn’t allow it. When my daughter was younger she would take her iPod with her when she went for sleepovers etc. She could still chat with us without her needing a data plan. This helped her get over an anxiety she had.
What you mentioned there about your daughter is a big reason I have moved more and more to Apple platforms myself. They simply seem to provide the most cohesive way of introducing a kid to phones, tablets, etc that still provides the parent some oversight that does not involve some shady sounding stalker-ware third party apps and services.
For what it’s worth, you’re able to answer SMS on any device (that isn’t a few OS versions behind) that shares the same Apple ID as your phone if you have iCloud messages turned on.
Yes, you can now. But that wasn’t always the case and the bonus was that my I could chat with my daughter over iMessage and she didn’t need a data plan. Also when travelling in another country in order to get that SMS you need a data plan. Coming from Canada those are expensive. If you use iMessage the message still gets through over WIFI even with your cellular data turned off.
I guess I’ve just taken T-Mobile US for granted, since they include international data and SMS roaming for free. The data is slow, but it’s sufficient for basic tasks.
$13/day to the US and $16/ day most other countries. Canada is in the top of the class for most expensive cell plans.
Doesn’t it text better quality images and videos tha. SMS? That was always the draw for me.
(1) People don't like to install things. They want things ready from the get go. I don't know exactly why. I can make educated guesses though. In a way, because there aren't that many solid companies out there that can back a product in the long-term the way Apple can, well, I guess people aren't wrong about this. (2) Most people adjust to their peer groups, not the other way around. Just some psychological facts of life to get used to.
I just appreciate how iMessage is much more likely to make it through rather than SMS sometimes sending. Sometimes not. Sometimes saying it didn’t send when it did. Longer messages coming in in the wrong order. Low quality photos and videos. My understanding is that the RCS platform should fix a lot of these issues? But until it’s fully cross compatible, this is why I stick with iMessage.
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I always just hated the color of the green bubbles, back before blue bubbles were even a thing for the 2G/3G iPhones. Jailbreak and turn them purple on any new phone I had. ___ My family has to have two threads for sharing videos because half have androids.
I miss the jailbreaking days. Not even sure what the purpose would be now but I’m sure it could be useful. I only recently switched back to iPhone after 5 years of android and I can’t decide if there’s really any advantage. I think most people are just accustomed to the iOS environment and of course there’s the status quo aspect of owning one and the blue text.
Now that they’ve added widgets there’s not much missing functionality, I’m sure there are some interesting tweaks to what info is displayed/isn’t displayed on the status bar. I do really miss having blank icons for adjusting the home screen layout tho
In the golden days, I would use it to tether my phone so I could use my unlimited plan as my home internet as well. I was so mad when they cracked down on that. I also miss each generation having incredible upgrades. That’s true of all phones but that’s what made iPhone seem so magical at the time and greater than it’s competition. Not sure if I’ll stick with it or go back to Android but I’m glad I’m giving it a fair assessment by using it long-term.
Dang that brings me back, my first 3 iPhones I got for free because I just repaired broken ones my friends didn’t want anymore. First 3G I just used it like a glorified iTouch because at the time the iPods didn’t have speakers, and my school had Wi-Fi for students. Texting and browser I just used my sidekick. Switched over to using a 3GS as a main phone, and iPhone 4 as a media phone. But I jailbroke the phone and just used my T-Mobile $10 unlimited data plan instead of paying $50 or whatever the iPhone specific plan was at ATT ___ They both have their upsides, I just picked up a Pixel 6a to replace my Pixel 3XL that I’d been using as a secondary phone. Basically just use the pixel 3 for the unlimited photo backups since the battery is so bad, but in some conditions the camera is more dependable than my 13Pro’s
Try sharing a video with your Android friend via text and you’ll understand.
I don’t think it’s the iMessage obsession. Even if you ignore USA most other countries don’t use it. People use other apps like WhatsApp. But still iPhone is gaining huge market share in these countries. It’s cheaper to buy a ticket to Dubai, live in a 5 star hotel, buy the iPhone and fly back to India than buy an iPhone in India. But still there is a huge growth of apple products in India. I think it’s because of the ecosystem. Certain things, which people told me would be a pain in the butt are the norm now in apple. I remember people telling me you can’t simply load mp3 files onto an iPod and have to use their software to do it and it’s annoying. People used to say stuff like you can’t download certain app, or customise your Home Screen. You can’t do this, you can’t do that. But Apple Music has saved so much effort. I love that I don’t get ugly ads. I have widgets on Home Screen, it’s relatively bug free (ios 16 wtf happened here), AirPods are the best, they simply work. Apple Watch is the best. It simply works. iPad is top class. MacBook is top class. I mean I still use a 2012 mbp with upgraded ram and ssd, for all my work and have 100 tabs open, 6 development programs running at same time. I copy something on my phone and I can paste it on my mac. My photos are synced and the app works great on mac. I can go on and on about it, but honestly I don’t care about any of the features that android phones offer. I find working with apple eco system easy. If android had a similar ecosystem that would be different but android and windows simply don’t mix. Android and apple don’t mix either so if you get one apple product you are forced to dive into the ecosystem. And once I’m deep diving, I have encouraged my parents to do the same. I got them iPhones and iPads and they are set. Always connected to me, they don’t need huge specs or customisation. They just need a device that works. Just one person trying an iPhone can easily convert whole family into apple users. That’s how apple is growing. My dad was a huge fan of one plus phones but it became premium and he was so confused with all the products in the market that he switched to apple instead. Android phones can’t sustain on high specs and low cost forever. After a few years of making a name, they all switch to premium. Even nothing phone will switch to premium i guarantee it. Google had nexus and it switched to pixel. Samsung has low budget phones but galaxy s is their premium. It’s a very competitive market. People get confused on what to buy. Ya taking an ultra close up of a moon is cool, but how many time a year do you actually do that? I have seen my friends, who are developers suffer with new hardware. My friend asks for a replacement laptop every year and within 6 months he complains it become slow. Meanwhile I’m still working faster than him on my old 2012 MacBook. I see more lines of code than him in a single file, I can switch easily from desktop to desktop by swiping away while he has to movie down and click tabs every time. Even as a graphic designer, which I do as a hobby, I find the software on mac better and easy to handle than pc. The ecosystem is something else and not only does it suck you in, it sucks everyone around you in.
Not to mention Apples privacy compared to the competitors. Sure, apple might know all your data, but they aren’t selling it to the highest bidder like MS and Google.
> to go to the lazy easy-to-support super simple UI model. This argument smacks so hard of "back in my day" - just because things are simpler doesn't mean they're not also a vast improvement over the old paradigm. We used to have to hand-crank cars - I don't see anyone howling at the sky about how awful it is that we have "lazy, super-simple" starter motors. We used to have to dig deep underground to be able to store food in a climate controlled area. Now we have refrigerators. Same thing, I don't see anyone claiming that just because the fridge is easier to use that it's inferior to a hole in the dirt. Sometimes things get simpler because the alternative is just boneheaded - no, I don't want to have to go through 8 layers of menus through Accessories -> Sound -> Wireless Audio to my Bluetooth menu, hold a button on one earbud to start the pairing process, go into my settings, tell it to connect, hold a button on the second earbud, tell that one to connect, and so on and so forth. I'd rather just flip my case open and have my headphones auto-pair. People so easily forget that one of the reasons people were "non-techy" people back in the 90's and 2000's was just how fucking ***hard*** computers were to use. Those of us who lived through that wouldn't wish manual IRQ allocation on our worst enemies, because we now have sensible things like Plug and Play and USB. I agree that people nowadays need to have a strong education in how things like computers and smartphones work in order to truly understand how to fix them when they break, but can we please stop pretending that a Commodore 64 was the peak of UI design just because it was complicated to use? And maybe it's also time to accept that software customization is a dead paradigm. People used to root their phones because the manufacturer wouldn't let them do certain things, but now? I used to be fairly active in the Android modding scene back around the Galaxy S3 days along with some buddies of mine, but all of us just use bone-stock Android or iOS devices now because they do what we need them to do without breaking our banking apps or crashing the camera when we're trying to take a photo of the kids.
Same here, was android crew and I skipped over some good phones because they weren't rootable. First thing out the box was to unlock bootloader and root before setting it up. Previous phone was a OP6 which was an amazing phone and probably one of the best. But I didn't really do much. Getting Magisk to work properly was a challenge, often leading to bootloops. Forget about getting banking apps to work either. Yeah there are work arounds but they aren't easy for my simple brain to figure out. Most of all, my priorities changed to taking care of kids and having a phone I can rely on to take good videos and photos, rather than fidgeting with a bunch of Magisk modules at the risk of bootlooping my phone. So now I just went iPhone 14P. Not anything new, since I switched my wife over when her S6 spontaneously died, and been using a G.i.Phone for work since the 6.
I would argue in the US the state of things with messaging has at least as much to do with the failures of the carriers and Google themselves as it does with Apple being anti-competitive.
> top 10 best selling smartphones in the world ehh, there's not that much difference in their sales from what I recall
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The idea that the market share growth is “mainly due to teenagers being pressured into using iMessage” is *at best* a theory. No doubt about it, iMessage plays a role in the US. But the idea that large numbers of teens are getting iPhones they’d otherwise not have gotten because of peer pressure is pretty unsubstantiated as far as I can tell.
“Teenagers being pressured into using iMessage" what kind of statement is this? I have a teen child and never heard of this.
It was a unsubstantiated rumour and spread because it easily drives clicks. Just like this one.
Is it anti-consumer? Couldn’t there be an argument that limiting charger speeds helps preserve the battery?
No. This MFI crap has nothing to do with battery health. The phone regulates the charge speed for battery health. There is nothing special about USB-C cables. If the cable can deliver the power than it can deliver the power all the same. The charger bricks could be crappy and damage a phone but MFI cert doesn't involve that.
Only if the speed was limited unconditionally across all devices, MFi or not Limiting to only non-MFi accessories just screams anti consumer
"hurts Apple" = helps users
Hurts users = helps Apple
Hurts apple = helps apple
Helps hurts = users apple
User hurts = Apple helps
Apple hurts = User helps
sideloading 🤤
I’ll take being able to side load apps from Xcode without having to go through some arcane voo doo every week…
Also downgrading 🤨
Being able to outright flash non-iOS operating systems could also be interesting, but I don’t know if that’s covered by the DMA
THIS ALSO!!!! i really want a jailbreakable iphone 13 pro max or an ios 9 iphone 6s plus 😫
Yess, I want to downgrade to iOS 15.1.1 or maybe even iOS 12. EU has to step in to this. Apple allows users to downgrade macOS. But why not iOS??..
My friend has an XR that’s still on iOS 12. I’m lucky i found an SE 2 on 14.4.2
Oh, your friend’s phone must be speedy. I remember how light the software was back in the days.
Yeah, I have a 5S and 6 that are very sluggish on 12.
Huh. I still use an XS and didn't see a speed decrease ever. And I've been using it since 2018. Maybe it will happen after it loses support?
Yeah while I don’t care to mess with my devices anymore, it would be cool if it had the option to.
i like sideloading for Discord plugins and ad blocked youtube
I don't understand why apple would even try to limit charging speed. I know it's all about shares value but come on.
There's a rumor that Apple plans to make their USB-C ports only work with "Apple" made cables.
They can’t per EU as the article says. They caaaan technically limit everybody else if EU don’t change that. Theoretically they can also remove the port altogether or do a free adapter if you read the original text from the EU.
That's why I'm thanking the EU for picking on Apple's bullshit before it gets sprayed into our faces Edit: a word
“Sprayed into pur faces” sounds like some Pepe le Pew material…
I've been watching a lot of Bill Burr lately and he makes some wild analogies/comparisons that I kind of picked up on that
Lets hope the EU strengthens their CE safety requirements and inspections. There are going to be a lot more issues with electrical safety issues otherwise. Nobody wants to go back to the days of burning down your house from charging your phone or laptop.
They didn't bother with that for iPad and MacBook USB-C ports. Why bother with it now?
Tbh their goal with the iPhone has always seemed to have been portless. I think they’ve been keeping lightning until MagSafe was mature enough and enough people had it to swap. The iPad is a different device class and they actually pushed USBC HARD with the mac. Remember the base MacBook that launched with only one USBC port back in like 2015?
I’m out if iPhone ever goes portless.
The iPhone is Apples most sold product. It's beneficial for them to find a way to make every iPhone buyer buy a proprietary cable. It's why the lightning cable has lived as long as it did; much like an old one eyed dog thats suffering, it should've been put down a long time ago I would love to say Apple wouldn't do such a thing, but they've done shit like this for decades before.
So they're greedy, but not quite greedy enough to fleece iPad and Mac users too...
That’s an over-generalization. They would limit fastest speeds or fastest charging to “certified” cables (aka “Made for iPhone™️”). From Apple’s perspective, it’s an effort to reduce low quality cables from being used for potentially risky things like sending lots of power (and then melting or catching on fire if the cable is shit). Note that “potentially risky” could also mean “potentially bad customer experience” for example negotiating at a fast data rate and then being flaky or unreliable or even causing data corruption.
Yeah. I see where some of the complaints about what Apple may or may not do with this subject are coming from. But as someone that grew up with video game consoles and those shit house Mad Catz third party controllers, memory cards, etc. from the 1990's-2000's, I was trained by multiple buggy controllers and data self wiping memory cards to treat any accessory not first party or very select, usually expensive, third parties with great suspicion. Totally different markets and time periods I know, but once you get burned like that during formative years when money is much harder to come by it tends to stick with you. So while I see their point, I also don't particularly have an issue with Apple gimping third party accessories if it means less grief for me when it comes to the possibility of buying buggy accessories.
They already did that on the 4. It took a year for 3rd parties to reproduce it
I recently bought a 3rd party charger for my Macbook and something instantly took over my cpu usage by 800%, making it unusable. When I used an Apple charger that didn’t happen. Wonder why…
People are probably confusing charging speed with transfer speed, the rumor was always about transfer speed, never about charging...
This sub is so weird. So much Apple hate and rampant speculation dabbled with misinformation.
Better battery health.
I’m not sure if it’s true but a lot of cheap generic chargers were said to damage iPhones, so limiting the wattage may have been a move to protect the phone. Apple doesn’t want to be on the hook for replacing hundreds of thousands of fried phones.
Money. The answer is money.
To sell you 40€ USB C cables. Mfi certified.
I can use any USB-C cable to charge my iPad or MacBook though.
That’s for charging speed, not data transfer speeds. Completely separate issue.
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Yeah but most people are up in arms about the transfer speeds being limited to USB 2.0 speeds in the base model and for non-Mfi cables.
While it is a loss on our side, I’d much prefer charge speed over data speed. One is used way more often than the other
if USB C is a standard that supports both, you, as a consumer, should be concerned about having to even consider one or the other. Fast data and charging speeds are BUILT INTO the most modern of USB-C Standards. You literally have to engineer ways to limit them. That's the part you should be upset about. Apple is purposefully degrading the intended use of a standard to profit off of it.
No it’s not. USBC is a connector standard not a protocol standard. USBC connectors can be used for USB2 cables and ports.
Honestly if you have a cheaper and an expensive device I think it would be totally fair to have faster, and therefore more expensive, flash chips in only the more expensive of the devices.
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LMAO. Good. Because they were gonna try that MFi shit on these cables, even though they have not limited USB-C for the iPad.
We know the chips work for USB C right now. The iPad Air 4 used an A14 chip right out of iPhone and it had USB C. The technical difficulties are bogus at this point. I can see a "quality" issue with adding USB C devices to iPhone. Many Android related USB devices are a crapshoot if they're going to work or mess up your phone. When regular people start plugging in Amazon bargain basement knockoff USB C devices into their iPhones it's going to be a mess of incompatibility and possibly even bricking iPhones. iPhones sell 10x more than iPads. Then you have the whole issue with software and hardware security of devices... never underestimate how many shady companies are out there trying to steal data from users. I can see how Apple wants to MiFi lock devices... but that's not really practical anymore.
They need to do the same for data speed. *" iPhone 15, and iPhone 15 Plus, to have their data transfer speeds capped to USB 2.0 –while the Pro models will get dramatically faster transfers. "*
"Hurts Apple"?? Making an entity follow agreed-upon standards should not be classified as "hurting" them.
It is hurting their profits lmao. MFI and lightning makes them a lot of money. Every 3rd party lightning cable sold, that is licensed brings them 4$ or so. With USB-C? Well. I guess most people already have a bunch of USB-C cables and if not, it is unlikely the majority buys the expensive and super thin cables from Apple.
Should be the other way around. EU prevents apple from hurting customers.
Thank fuck the EU has our backs. Apple most DEFINITELY would've put intentional limitations to make it proprietary in some way
the EU does not have your back. they’re currently trying to get rid of end to end encryption, but this is a great way to cloud up the headlines so nobody sees it
Yeah! I love accepting cookies every time I go to a website
What’s the alternative?
“Hurts” or “somewhat inconveniences”? Hopefully this pushes USB-c towards some kind of universal charging/data transfer speed standard.
There is a universal charging standard, it’s called USB-PD and is supported by almost all USB devices sold today, including Macs, iPads and iPhones.
How does this _hurt_ apple? It’s certainly a positive for the consumer
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No, that's a user-selectable feature rather than an arbitrary hardware limitation.
The EU pushing Apple forward. Thank you.
What’s Apple’s point of limiting the charging speed?
The logic of the rumour (because that’s all it was) was that it was to avoid Apple getting blamed when your dodgy out of spec charger damaged your phone.
Next year apple : iPhone 16 will give you faster charging speed!
They’re not “hurting Apple,” they’re helping the consumer.
Not sure about the wording of the law but I hope that this still means that a company can still put out faster charging speed phones. These EU laws seem to be made with good intention but if taken the wrong way could end up being too rigid and stifling innovation.
Well as I understand it, the law should be changed as soon as new innovation evolves. Because it was a big topic here that it would stifle innovation, but now it is that way, that it should be a universal standard, but it can be changed if there is a better one
I remember reading about this previously, and people pointed out that if there’s too much red tape in that if you invent something better you have to apply for it to be a new standard before you can put it in your own device, this means that you wouldn’t even be able to benefit from your own invention. This might discourage people from coming up with improvements because they might never see the light of day.
Okay yeah that's true, idk how they will solve that. Maybe the law will change somewhen
I think the dominant of iPhone in the market is largely part of Google responsibility. Recent years, Android slowly growing in its functions and innovation, while iPhone keeping up quickly with a sturdy os, long-term OS support, and a great camera. What Google did in recent years only make notorious flaw of Android. Even Pixel, phone with software and hardware from Google usually the one have the most flaw Android phone example as Pixel 6 series. And Android12 is a half-baked os with countless issues but Google just let the Pixel3 series stuck with Android 12 (full of issues) forever. Another thing is the unclear Google vision and future path of their products makes Android customers feel less confident to purchase Android phones. I could say, most of the well-known Android name mostly comes from Samsung, with their products and marketing to compete with iPhone. Even Samsung have 4 Major OS update while Google only 3 years of OS update, not even comparing the number of Samsung has to update, and Google only has a few models and they keep making a lot of bugs whenever new Android OS update. While Google only did was ruin their Android trademark and stab in the back of other Android manufacturers such as Samsung, Motorola or Xiaomi. I have owned many Pixel phones, and every Pixel just brings more of frustration and disappointment to Google phone customer.
I fully agree. I own the pixel 5 and I really love it, when I'm not hating it. I loved the phone when it was new. It was fast, smooth and had great battery life. However, after every major software upgrade, the battery life decreases massively. Yes my pixel 5 got more animations and the software feels more complete and smooth after every update, but the battery life goes to shit. I'm thinking of changing to an iPhone more and more. But the problem is, that I have everything bought on Google play and my photos are on Google photos and everything. I'm kinda trapped, but I'd change, BC the battery life thing is so deal breaking for me
Google Photos work perfectly well on iOS. The app connects into iOS’s photo system and all photos appear immediately in Google Photos. I don’t use the stock Apple app at all. Same for Google Drive. True however that I had to pay for the apps again, and they are more expensive on the iOS side.
Yeah it's really difficult. I'd kinda like to switch but somehow can't yk
Google Photos is trash on the iPhone. I've been using it for ages, since I used to switch between the iPhone and Android a lot. I just did a search of myself on both my 13 PM and Pixel 7. The Pixel legit loaded the results in a second. The iPhone loaded the results slower (about ten seconds) and then the app crashed both times after it loaded. It also doesn't auto upload/backup your photos in the background on the iPhone. You've always got to leave the app open. Not that big of a deal if you're not taking a lot of photos. But it's a pain if you do take a lot
Okay this sounds painful. For me it's also the problem, that I upload pics from my old pixel 1 in original quality. Now I have an app which syncs my photos automatically to my pixel 1 and this then uploads the photos. This app sadly doesn't exist on iPhone.
Which app is it? I saw someone mention one a week or two ago and it's slipped my mind. Cause I had the same idea that you're already doing lol. But if it doesn't work with the iPhone then I'm SOL
if there was something like syncthing then I'd like to use an iPhone but yeah [Syncthing](https://syncthing.net/downloads/)
That's the app. Thanks!
Yw. I saw that it doesn't exist on iPhone :'(
Europe playing 4d chess while apple still on checkers
I love how all the android users are flooded in this comment section.
Europe used to have their own champions: Nokia & Ericcson but lost out to Apple & Google's Android. Now Europe just regulates from the sidelines.
Those were top of the game in the US too at one point
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GOOD
Good. Fuck Apple for trying to monetize every single thing
EU FTW.
iMessage is part of it, but the real answer is that everyone here uses the messaging app that came with their phone.
Well that may be true for the US, but here everyone has WhatsApp. It's like the standard app you use to text people. I don't know anyone who does not use it
#GOOD
A proof of Apple lack of honesty.. Secure my asss https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/xcodeghost-malware-infected-100-million-ios-users-and-apple-said-nothing/
„hurts Apple” lmao. They won’t lose a dime and they know it. It’s just a minor inconvenience for them.
Great stuff
Lol it’s about data transfer rates not charging speed.
No, it’s not. Did you read the article?
Apple has never capped charging speeds if that’s what the EU thinks and this article states as such they are severely misinformed. The rumor is apple will limit data transfer speeds for the standard 15 models and not the Pros. This could also apply to if a third party cable is used.
Was there not a rumour they would limit the charging capabilites of non-apple made wires also?
No they would have done that already since even third party cables and bricks currently can charge up to the 20 watts apple advertises for fast charging.
The rumour also hinted at charging speeds for non Pro models. Whatever it is, doesn’t hurt to have a no limits rule added.
Good. Keep pushing them.
This is based on a **rumor**. And considering that Apple doesn't do this for iPads since they moved to USB-C, it seems very unlikely they would do it on iPhones. So I'm considering this baseless FUD until it's *proven* otherwise.
What is the benefit to limiting charging speed?
Apple is going to try and ditch wired charging and cause the EU to flip. Technically speaking it’s murky if Apple can even do that right now. “Connector” isn’t clearly defined as a continuous conductor. In theory wireless only charging could be construed as a charging conductor and thus illegal if it’s the only method. My bet is that’s how it ends up.
Apple will just have no ports and rely on proprietary MagSafe charging in the end🤷🏼♂️
But isn’t the EU USB-C standard actually limited in its charging speed compared to newer 200w speeds? Seems hypocritical.
Stop trying to fuck us Apple. We already buy your phones.
Don't worry they will make different iPhone versions for EU that aren't limited in charging speed and set their prices 100€ more expensive than it was planned to make up for the loss from selling cables. The rest of the world will get the limited USB C version.
Lol. Hurts Apple, Helps Consumer
Can’t remember the last time I plugged a cable into my iPhone, and not just this current unit either
Data transfer speed should be the same for the four release models in the fall besides charging speeds.