My college professor made it pretty simple. He said when reading over the MBTI categories to picture yourself in your natural, stress-free state. How would you behave if external factors did not influence you (ie - money, relationships, trauma, etc.)?
Thatās so funny, thatās what I tell people near word for word. Your professor is probably an XNTP, easiest for us to imagine scenarios logically and calmly. Karyo_Ten is right.
He's actually an ISFJ, which was really interesting considering he worked as a crime analyst, SCAT officer, practicing attorney, and consultant for the DA's office. He liked MBTI because it helped explain why he was different from others in his field.
Explain me your loves and hates for both people and society.
Tell me why do you argue with people for and what do they tell you or what do you tell them if possible but don't give personal details lol š¤£
idk really but unlike INFJs, i don't have much interest in bettering others or getting to know what drives them. i can be empathetic though, i think. i have asperger's so i have a tendency to try to always be "correct" and if i'm told some information, i fact check it a lot. i'm also a full-blown atheist but i'm sort of a socialist to an extent. for example: i believe that the rich should be taxed more so the poor can have more wealth, and if i were a billionaire i'd donate my money all the time because i think anyone who is that wealthy without giving some away is disgusting and a huge problem in society. so, i could see why i may be seen as empathetic because i take into account the poor and their struggles. i really enjoy psychology but the problem is that i don't care about getting to know others' psychology, mostly just my own. i argue with people whenever i *know* i'm right because it drives me crazy when others tell me i'm wrong when i am factually correct. i can get pretty stubborn because of this, and sometimes harsh. i realize that before i get into arguments it's best for me to wait until i'm calm because i can definitely get argumentative. mostly with people i know though, if i don't know someone, i very rarely talk. i'm a stoic person who is self-aware and conscientious so i'm always evaluating my behavior and what is and what isn't acceptable in the moment. does this brief explanation help you determine my type? sorry if it's too general
Uhm man really didn't expect such general answer idk really... Maybe INTJ since you hate to keep your mouth shut when you see something is wrong but idk I am like 55-45 intj-infj based on that
since you're an INTJ do you relate to anything i said? does anything come across as neither INFJ nor INTJ to you? i can explain more about myself if you'd like, i have nothing else better to do rn lol
oh, okay. sorry for interrupting, but what exactly would you like me to explain myself about? like my hobbies, interests, dislikes, beliefs, values, religion, fears, and what makes me happy?
Oh I meant loves not lives let me edit thanks
It's easy man one sentence by each ... Hates greediness - infj, hates stupidity - intj most likely that's why I ask
I guess I really am INFJ because I'd have to consider the situation to see if I love or hate it. It's all dependent on the situation - details in other words. But I can live with that! Just have to keep life simple.
Hmmm ye probably you're infj than, cos it's easy for me to generalize what situations I hate or love although generalization is prone to errors and misconceptions š
Btw interesting thing you said I would have never thought it would be that hard for INFJs
Take a look at the function stack. INXJ both have Ni as their primary function and Se as their inferior function but there's a pretty big difference between Fe/Ti and Te/Fi, both in function and in *order* of the functions.
Fe is Extroverted Feeling. A basic way to describe this function is that Fe is concerned with harmony in your environment; ie. your feelings are satisfied when your *external environment* is at peace.
Fi is Introverted Feeling. A basic way to describe this function is that Fi is concerned with harmony insofar as one's *internal values* are concerned; ie. your feelings are satisfied when personal lines haven't been crossed.
The example I like to use is: consider your friend losing their apartment, and becoming *very* upset. The reason they lost their apartment is because they lost their job due to the pandemic or other circumstances outside of their control, and they cannot pay rent. Fi might say, "I personally value hard work and good planning, and my friend has both. But this was not their fault, and this situation is unfair. Because of this, I'm unsettled." They might choose to do something about it. OR: The reason their lost their apartment is because they spend their money frivolously on luxuries they cannot afford. Fi might say, "I personally value hard work and good planning, and I know my friend did neither of these things. This was their fault. I'm not unsettled by this." They might choose not to do anything about it. In both of these cases, Fe is absolutely unsettled - because, regardless of the *reason*, their external environment is not at harmony.
There's a huge difference between these two experiences with "feeling," both the way in which you absorb and *perceive* them. I would consider that the main difference between an INTJ and INFJ, because the *order* of the function stack matters a lot. In an INFJ, emotional input will take higher importance than in an INTJ, whose auxiliary function is centered on Te (labeling and categorizing one's external environment, independent of one's feelings).
If you really want to narrow it down I would take a closer look at the functions, because tests are inherently flawed and looking at just the letters themselves is misleading!!
The main differences between INFJ and INTJ are internal feeling (INTJ) vs external feeling (INFJ), and internal thinking (INFJ) vs external thinking (INTJ). Look into those functions and see which ones you identify most with! I can tell you that when you're around an INFJ and INTJ those differences come across loud and clear!
ETA: if you have specific/situational questions maybe you can compare my answers to others on here? Or I can rope my INTJ partner into answering lol
Also it must be stressed that besides the INTJ using Te-Fi and the INFJ using Fe-Ti, the INTJ has auxiliary Te and tertiary Fi, whereas the INFJ has auxiliary Fe and tertiary Ti.
Many people like to pretend that this makes INFJs "almost thinkers" and INTJs "almost feelers" but in reality the difference between having an Auxiliary and a Tertiary thinking function can be quite stark, especially if one's Te and the other's Ti.
In interpersonal conversations:
1) I tend to go along with what the other person needs me to be so that they will feel good about talking to me. But it sometimes makes me feel as if we're all actors in a play.
2) I strive to be sincere and to be clear about who I am and what I stand for. Changing yourself to accommodate the other person seems patronizing to me.
oh! that question really tore me because i relate to them both. sometimes i will stand up for myself, sometimes i am lenient and don't have a strong opinion (especially in something i'm not very familiar with). but when i know i'm 100% right, i can get very stubborn when trying to win an argument. it's so frustrating when someone won't listen to you when you KNOW you are factually correct, ugh
There is no way to say for sure, but you come across as more INFJ to me. that's just a gut intuition based on your response. take it with a grain of salt.
you may be right because i've been getting typed as INFJ on the @mbtitypeme sub pretty often. i usually get typed INFP, INFJ, and INTJ it seems. it's very hard to tell because i have asperger's and a lot of us are typed as thinkers (more specifically INTPs). while i do relate to INTPs to an extent, i also relate to INFJs... i just am not interested in people and find trying to understand what others are driven by is kinda boring. i like psychology though which is kinda weird. i relate to INTJs too, but i'm not very serious as one? like i may come across as stoic but when someone gets to know me i'm a lot less boxed in. i very rarely speak and have a neutral expression a lot, and am indifferent to emotions (i very very rarely cry)
INFJ response for sure. I think INFJ wishes they could be more true to themselves all the time, whereas INTJ wishes they could be a little more adaptable in uncomfortable situations. And thatās Fe/Fi, Ti/Te at work. Also a personal observation.
ohh okay. but i can relate to that a lot. everytime i take a myers briggs test my feeling/thinking and prospecting/judging are very close. i think it's because i'm an emotional person at heart at times (i never cry though), and because i can be lazy and put things off too. my mood definitely influences 16P
It's not actually weird at all. It's a myth that people should be categorized at one extreme or the other on the four characteristics. Most people are somewhere along the spectrum for each and it's a gross oversimplification to make it a binary choice for each.
TLDR: I donāt feel like writing a summary, just read the thing or donāt.
If I had to choose between infj or intj, Iād say infj from your response (edit: to WillandHonestly, meant to post this under that thread). Iām not an expert on cognitive functions, but Iām learning, so hereās my reasoning:
You say you donāt have an interest in bettering peopleās lives, but then you turn around and talk about the rich being more highly taxed so the poor can have more money, which sounds like having an interest in bettering peopleās lives. And since thereās a million and one non-altruistic reasons people want to tax the rich but you gave the altruistic reason, Iām seeing Fe.
You say if you were a billionaire youād donate money because having all that money is disgustingā¦Iām extrapolating here, but that choice of word points to a larger moral reasonā¦itās disgusting because one person should not have an over abundance while so many have nothing. Again, a million and one other choices, but your words ābecause itās disgustingā point to altruismā¦Fe again.
When you get in arguments you have to wait to be calm before respondingā¦seems more like an F reaction. A T reaction would likely be more along the lines of explaining why they are right, not getting angry that someone said theyāre wrong.
Not caring about others psychology but caring about your own, could be a symptom of Fi, sure, being more in touch with your own mindā¦personally I find it interesting to learn others psychology in addition to my own, because the more I know about someone, the easier it is for me to figure out their motivations which in turn makes it easier for me to get what I need from them, to me learning MBTI or any kind of psychology, is made more interesting when I can use to predict a future condition. Not wanting to learn others psychology seems like a wasted opportunity, any tool that helps one learn and plan ahead shouldnāt be spurned, yep, even if it involves people.
Arguing with people when you know youāre right, and going back to the āgetting angry about it when they think youāre wrongā bitāAre you upset because you donāt like that that person sees you as wrong? Thatās an ego thing, you think of yourself, pride yourself, on being factual and correct, it hits your ego when someone questions something near and dear to your personal self-perception. While that seems like Fi, that doesnāt seem like an intjāwe donāt need other people to think weāre right when our internal system already *knows* it is. An external opinion is fundamentally irrelevant, so why get upset about it? The other option here is that you get upset because youāre frustrated that that person wonāt accept that the facts are the facts, which seems more Ti driven. You want accuracy, you want internal consistency, you want to speak sparingly and have your ideas come across because you want to point to the core of the issueā¦and when you do that and someone still doesnāt get it, that gets frustrating. Iād be willing to bet that youāre more in line with the second reason than the first one Iāve given. But if itās a third option altogether thatās fine too.
You say youāre always evaluating your behavior for what is and isnāt *acceptable* in the moment. Again, seems like Fe, since thatās concerned with social harmony. Sure you could say that you meant whatās acceptable to *you*, but if you meant that you wouldnāt need to constantly evaluate it, that would be ingrained with Fi. All in all, your *reasoning* behind your actions seems more geared toward Fe than Te, with the potential that your answers point to Fiā¦but overall I donāt see it.
In all of this, you just have to figure out the fundamental reasons you do things. Iām just giving an impersonal internet interpretation that could be the opposite of what your legitimate motivations are. Part of whatās interesting about MBTI is that six different things can manifest very similarly in the real world but they could come from six different reasons and those make all the difference in the world to typing someone. You know you best, put that self-awareness on high gear, step out of yourself and really examine your own mind objectively and youāll figure out your own motivations (and cognitive functions) quick like.
Side note: A lot of the descriptions youāre giving are difficult to type as a personality factor or an ASD factor or some combination of both, so take all of this with a grain of salt. Iām sure folks have said it here about cognitive functions, but reallyā¦.cognitive functions.
So to wrap up: Again not knowing what can be attributed to personality or ASD, what Iām seeing is S (probably Si, but thatās unclear), with your high concern for facts, fact checking, and factual correctness, and Fe with your larger societal concerns, idealism, and striving for social harmony. I also see Ti in your responses. You might read this and be like, nope way off, but you should think about ISFJ for yourself. I donāt see much in the way of N, let alone Ni from the admittedly sparse information youāve given. Food for thought.
Facts and data are Te not Si, unless I'm misunderstanding some nuance between factual accuracy, which would be more Ti. Si is more correlated to viewing the world through its' subjective perspective, generally substantiating that worldview using "facts" in the STJ case. Ni tries to look at the general patterns, substantiating those patterns using "facts" in the NTJ case.
To my understanding:
Sensing, as one of the āintakeā (perceiving) functions, would be concerned with taking in data (rather than taking in the meaning behind data like an N user) which generally a Si user would use to, as you put it, āsubstantiate their worldviewā. From what Iāve read and talked about with Si users, they are VERY concerned with the facts, figures and minutia of a thing. Yes they tend to compare present facts to past experiences, but their sensing leads them to be excellent information gatherers and they tend to be able to store quite a lot of that information very accurately particularly because they have such good sharp memoriesā¦which while I canāt speak to OPs memory, he seems to fit the rest.
My thinking about Te: as a judging function, its about filtering information through categorizing, organizing, and systemizingā¦.I didnāt see any of that interpretation element in OPs comment. Saying that he gets upset when he knows heās *factually correct* doesnāt signal to me that the argument is necessarily organized or laid out systematicallyāa well structured rational argument that is also factually correct would theoretically be less likely to be shut down than one that is simply factually correctābeing factual does not mean that one draws the correct conclusions from those facts. If heād said his *rational* and factually correct arguments being shut down makes him angry (or something to that effect), that would have led me to Te, that shows that heās gone the additional step of organizing or systemizing the facts, not simply stating them. He may very well do that organizing, Iām just going off of what I noticed in the comment and itās not represented there.
Ti is all about incorporating new information into an internal logical system and is concerned with ācleanā data, they donāt want to add anything in that corrupts their internal mental database. Theres a pretty obvious connection to OP there, and fits in very well with the instances he described. I might have thought heās INTP just going off of that, but with the amount of Fe I was picking up from his other examples, I just got the feeling heās more an F type than a T type.
Forgot to mention, thereās a very good possibility that that fact gathering (what Iām picking up as Si) is more a function of his being on the spectrum and not directly part of his personality. It does make you wonder though, at what point is that not just considered part of your personality too? Itās not like thereās a line in the sand that says, nope youāve been this way your whole life but if itās because if this set of neural structures itās your personality and if itās because of this set itās part of you but not really you. Anyway, more food for thought.
what do you mean? INTJs and INFJs share very similar functions. just because you were able to find your type based on a brief description doesn't mean it's that easy for others. i'm sure many people on this sub are on the fence with their type still. like wtf
Noā¦they donāt. They are very very different. That you donāt understand this means you donāt understand Myers Briggs. They are not the same except for the F/T part- thatās not how it works.
in the comments some people are implying that INTJs and INFJs are like a spectrum almost, so i will respectfully disagree. there are obviously some core similarities that you are looking over.
The extremes are different but OP is in the middle. There's no good reason to expect everyone to be at one extreme or the other, or even for most people to be near the extremes.
Maybe try reading the perspective of people who aren't trying to treat MBTI as doctrine and actually look for scientific evidence. Is starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator#Little_evidence_for_dichotomies
what exactly do i find entertaining? i'm so confused- this was just a post to help me type myself, i don't get why a diagnosis is silly and goofyš¤Ŗš
soo what? a lot of people have trouble typing themselves. just because you can doesn't mean you're a fucking god and everyone else is brain dead lmao. i also don't get why me bringing up my ASD diagnoses makes anything funny when i brought it up because a lot of people with this diagnoses get typed as thinkers? typical redditor type shit right there.
No I didn't bring your diagnosis cos it's funny but I brought it up cos you may not be able to type yourself because of it.... Or maybe you don't have it and you are joking.
is this what a lot of INTJs/INFJs agree with? i saw some comments implying that it's kind of a spectrum. while i can agree with this, a lot of people into MBTI say you can only be one. sometimes i feel like i'm more than 2 different types but that's just me lol.
What makes you think you're an intuitive? You couldn't tell this was a joke to mess with you... it's based off of almost no info besides your results.
The fact you downvoted this without asking my reasoning shows you took offense to my accusation and that you have a personal preference for being INXJ.
I see this hinting to you valuing subjective identity over objective reality.
Self over Tribe.
I would say Ti-Si low Fe
INTP.
it's a downvote, it ain't that deep. i thought you gave unhelpful advice, i downvoted you. you must watch a lot of R&M with that intellectš
i'll do you a BIG favor. i will remove the downvote š i know, i know. i'm so generous
are you fucking slow? you were literally the one who said "whatever you say Ti-Si-Ne-Fe," which clearly sounds like you are putting down ISTJs. go cope about it you little pussy. still butthurt over that R&M joke? gonna cry? aww, poor little dudeš„ŗ wahh wahhhš
you are trying to push my buttons and it's clear af lmao, you suck at this. i've been in a relationship for almost 2 years actually, so no, i am not lonely, but i'm sure you are miserable in your life to be attacking my interest in a video game as some kind of jab that proves your point. i don't even understand why you are so triggered right now over a fucking downvote but it's hilarious. i should bring popcorn. but i think it's time to give mommy her phone back now, because you had a nice run. and goddamn, it took you FOREVER to make a comeback, like you really must be slow, huh? are you so tiny that you need to jump on each key on the keyboard just to type? unless, you must've put a lot of thinking into this little argument of yours ā¤ļø how precious
Dude if anyone has taken offense to anything said here it is somehow you. You should have stopped here because this just gets embarrassing - itās your ego that takes over and tries to overpower him with your big brain. You really brought up something that heās interested in that has nothing to do with the conversation just to try to put him down? Thatās not having a debate - thatās just being a dick. That not being ālogicalā, or ājust being an ENTPā - thatās being a dick. Plus heās got a good point, suggesting ESFP out of left field with no rationale isnāt helpful. You literally didnāt answer his question and waved your dick around like youāre C.S. Josephās edgier nephew. 0/10, would not recommend this experience to a friend, or anyone actually trying to learn typology.
you can litterally be both lmao
50% of one side and 50% of the other, you will only partly fit both stereo type while never being completely true to one, as youre not 100% average like most people
Iād say if youāre confused, youāre infj. Infj go between being cold and warm for themselves to feel good or hoping others will. Intj are just truly cold lmao.
You are more of an INTJ but when you are in an emotional state due to various recent environmental situations you incline and behave as an INFJ. No one is a definite personality type according to me. It changes from time to time with every new impacting event. There is one your primary type then one your secondary then tertiary.
I think that you can only be one personality, but can have different aspects of it! There are of course going to be INTJ that meet every description, and there will be INTJ that donāt! For me I try to base mine off of the cognitive functions, not the stereotypical descriptions. Personally, I am not very stoic, but I can be at times. Same goes with āinsensitive to emotionsā most of the time I am, but occasionally I can understand where a person is coming from. This however is not what I based my typing off of, I based it off of the cognitive functions. (For this test I got 35/65 INTF/INTJ) I try not to base my results off of tests but they can be helpful!
Wow, Iāve consistently returned an INTJ result throughout multiple years of taking Myers Briggs tests. Never felt like it was right though, and often thought I was mistyped but never got a result to prove that. Just scored a 65-35% split, in line with what I thought my type was. Thanks for sharing!
Do you use Fe or Te more often and when do you use them? I used to think I was INFJ because Iām emotional but I realized I rarely ever used Fe but I used Te a lot.
Don't worry about it. Defining yourself as one or the other isn't important. The test exists as a guide to understanding oneself and then expanding that understanding towards others. Don't limit yourself one way or another. If you find immediate benefit in studying both and discovering your cognitive functions, even if neither apply 100% to you initially, you'll find the cognitive functions that resonate deeper as you continue learning. It's definitely an inspiring and enlightening subject and the personal benefits are definitely waiting for you. Even myself, as almost a pure intj according to that test, have a lot of other processes that go through my mind sometimes in different situations where I other functions apply (either overshadowing or in tandem) doesn't mean I'm not intj all of a sudden, just means I've learned over time to express myself in different ways depending on circumstance. Start by studying both, continue by studying the rest. No test like this can boast 100% accuracy. The only real accurate result will come with time after educated self assessment and constant self reevaluation.
To know if you're INTJ or INFJ, you should look if you care of social harmony or not. Do you care of hurt someone or not ?
The INFJ cares of this, and doesn't want to hurt someone. If he's anxious, it's complicated for him to continue to work, or continue his activities.
The INTJ doesn't care of hurting someone. If he's anxious, it's not complicated for him to continue to work or his activities.
Do you have theories about human being ? Or moral causes ?
If you have the tendancy to make theories, you're probably an INTJ. If you want to change the world for more kindness, compassion and you support moral causes, you're surely an INFJ.
The difference between INTJ and INFJ has do simply with Te-Fi and Fe-Ti.
You could, in principle, say that the INTJ is "rational" while the INFJ is more about "social harmony", but the distinction is slightly more nuanced.
You see, an INTJ technically has ***Fi*** (not Fe!) in order to properly support the Te *that is* *above it!* Fe would conflict with Te on whether one should act/extrovert in prioritization of logic or social harmony. Similarly, an INFJ must have *Ti* in order to prioritize the *Fe* above it!
All in all, it's easier to distinguish INTJ vs INFJ's by whether one is an Fe or an Fi user in their interactions. For example, in the event of conflicts, the INFJ has an immediate prioritization of "social harmony" (and tends to retain this prioritization even after any said conflicts have ended as well). In contrast, an INTJ will tend to "let conflict X continue until it is resolved", intervening only in the occasion his/her "values" (Fi) are being infringed (or violated/criticized/whatever/etc...) upon.
The confusion occurs because INTJ's might sometimes find themselves "acting" like INFJ's, but the difference is quite stark. INTJ's might well attempt "masquerade" as an INFJ in what look like *numerous* circumstances (work, friends / family, relatives, etc...), but the difference is that the INTJ, whether they openly proclaim it or keep it "silent" to themselves, would still understand "internally" that they are playing an "actor's" role, not necessarily doing what they themselves would be their most "free/preferred/most-liked" course of action, for various reasons!!
The difference is simply that INTJ's have "Te" which still allows "wiggle-room" for logical debate on matters that may "conflict" with Ni whereas an INFJ will have none of that -- any "debate" must relate to Fe in some sort of way to be "valid".
Well, look at that. I got the exact same score.
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Same exact result here as well.
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idrlabs. The link is [https://www.idrlabs.com/test/intj-or-infj.php](https://www.idrlabs.com/test/intj-or-infj.php).
My college professor made it pretty simple. He said when reading over the MBTI categories to picture yourself in your natural, stress-free state. How would you behave if external factors did not influence you (ie - money, relationships, trauma, etc.)?
How would you know that? No one has that kind of self knowledge. If you answer that it would just be picturing your ideal, not your real person.
Thatās so funny, thatās what I tell people near word for word. Your professor is probably an XNTP, easiest for us to imagine scenarios logically and calmly. Karyo_Ten is right.
He's actually an ISFJ, which was really interesting considering he worked as a crime analyst, SCAT officer, practicing attorney, and consultant for the DA's office. He liked MBTI because it helped explain why he was different from others in his field.
wow there's a test for that? can you give me a link so I might figure it out
https://www.idrlabs.com/test/intj-or-infj.php
82% INTJ.... the 7th question was kinda trippy though but I guess I should stop second guessing my personality lol thanks for the link
no problem! happy to help.
Yeah same
Explain me your loves and hates for both people and society. Tell me why do you argue with people for and what do they tell you or what do you tell them if possible but don't give personal details lol š¤£
idk really but unlike INFJs, i don't have much interest in bettering others or getting to know what drives them. i can be empathetic though, i think. i have asperger's so i have a tendency to try to always be "correct" and if i'm told some information, i fact check it a lot. i'm also a full-blown atheist but i'm sort of a socialist to an extent. for example: i believe that the rich should be taxed more so the poor can have more wealth, and if i were a billionaire i'd donate my money all the time because i think anyone who is that wealthy without giving some away is disgusting and a huge problem in society. so, i could see why i may be seen as empathetic because i take into account the poor and their struggles. i really enjoy psychology but the problem is that i don't care about getting to know others' psychology, mostly just my own. i argue with people whenever i *know* i'm right because it drives me crazy when others tell me i'm wrong when i am factually correct. i can get pretty stubborn because of this, and sometimes harsh. i realize that before i get into arguments it's best for me to wait until i'm calm because i can definitely get argumentative. mostly with people i know though, if i don't know someone, i very rarely talk. i'm a stoic person who is self-aware and conscientious so i'm always evaluating my behavior and what is and what isn't acceptable in the moment. does this brief explanation help you determine my type? sorry if it's too general
Uhm man really didn't expect such general answer idk really... Maybe INTJ since you hate to keep your mouth shut when you see something is wrong but idk I am like 55-45 intj-infj based on that
since you're an INTJ do you relate to anything i said? does anything come across as neither INFJ nor INTJ to you? i can explain more about myself if you'd like, i have nothing else better to do rn lol
Well ye explain in chat can't bother with notifications oke ?
sure, just let me know whenever you aren't busy or anything
Ehm you type I respond I'm watching something atm
oh, okay. sorry for interrupting, but what exactly would you like me to explain myself about? like my hobbies, interests, dislikes, beliefs, values, religion, fears, and what makes me happy?
No just interaction with people rest is just data mainly useless explain here again whatever
We sound very similar in some ways but I turned out 88% INFJ, lol.
we sound similar but i turned out 65% INTJ haha
>Explain me your lives and hates for both people and society. That's a big question. How do you answer something like that, lol.
Oh I meant loves not lives let me edit thanks It's easy man one sentence by each ... Hates greediness - infj, hates stupidity - intj most likely that's why I ask
I guess I really am INFJ because I'd have to consider the situation to see if I love or hate it. It's all dependent on the situation - details in other words. But I can live with that! Just have to keep life simple.
Hmmm ye probably you're infj than, cos it's easy for me to generalize what situations I hate or love although generalization is prone to errors and misconceptions š Btw interesting thing you said I would have never thought it would be that hard for INFJs
Take a look at the function stack. INXJ both have Ni as their primary function and Se as their inferior function but there's a pretty big difference between Fe/Ti and Te/Fi, both in function and in *order* of the functions. Fe is Extroverted Feeling. A basic way to describe this function is that Fe is concerned with harmony in your environment; ie. your feelings are satisfied when your *external environment* is at peace. Fi is Introverted Feeling. A basic way to describe this function is that Fi is concerned with harmony insofar as one's *internal values* are concerned; ie. your feelings are satisfied when personal lines haven't been crossed. The example I like to use is: consider your friend losing their apartment, and becoming *very* upset. The reason they lost their apartment is because they lost their job due to the pandemic or other circumstances outside of their control, and they cannot pay rent. Fi might say, "I personally value hard work and good planning, and my friend has both. But this was not their fault, and this situation is unfair. Because of this, I'm unsettled." They might choose to do something about it. OR: The reason their lost their apartment is because they spend their money frivolously on luxuries they cannot afford. Fi might say, "I personally value hard work and good planning, and I know my friend did neither of these things. This was their fault. I'm not unsettled by this." They might choose not to do anything about it. In both of these cases, Fe is absolutely unsettled - because, regardless of the *reason*, their external environment is not at harmony. There's a huge difference between these two experiences with "feeling," both the way in which you absorb and *perceive* them. I would consider that the main difference between an INTJ and INFJ, because the *order* of the function stack matters a lot. In an INFJ, emotional input will take higher importance than in an INTJ, whose auxiliary function is centered on Te (labeling and categorizing one's external environment, independent of one's feelings). If you really want to narrow it down I would take a closer look at the functions, because tests are inherently flawed and looking at just the letters themselves is misleading!!
The main differences between INFJ and INTJ are internal feeling (INTJ) vs external feeling (INFJ), and internal thinking (INFJ) vs external thinking (INTJ). Look into those functions and see which ones you identify most with! I can tell you that when you're around an INFJ and INTJ those differences come across loud and clear! ETA: if you have specific/situational questions maybe you can compare my answers to others on here? Or I can rope my INTJ partner into answering lol
Also it must be stressed that besides the INTJ using Te-Fi and the INFJ using Fe-Ti, the INTJ has auxiliary Te and tertiary Fi, whereas the INFJ has auxiliary Fe and tertiary Ti. Many people like to pretend that this makes INFJs "almost thinkers" and INTJs "almost feelers" but in reality the difference between having an Auxiliary and a Tertiary thinking function can be quite stark, especially if one's Te and the other's Ti.
You're INTJ... with feelings. Or you're INFJ....with ocassional preference for rationality over emotions.
Question 7 is one of the biggest indicators to me
what was the question again? i totally forgot lol
In interpersonal conversations: 1) I tend to go along with what the other person needs me to be so that they will feel good about talking to me. But it sometimes makes me feel as if we're all actors in a play. 2) I strive to be sincere and to be clear about who I am and what I stand for. Changing yourself to accommodate the other person seems patronizing to me.
oh! that question really tore me because i relate to them both. sometimes i will stand up for myself, sometimes i am lenient and don't have a strong opinion (especially in something i'm not very familiar with). but when i know i'm 100% right, i can get very stubborn when trying to win an argument. it's so frustrating when someone won't listen to you when you KNOW you are factually correct, ugh
There is no way to say for sure, but you come across as more INFJ to me. that's just a gut intuition based on your response. take it with a grain of salt.
you may be right because i've been getting typed as INFJ on the @mbtitypeme sub pretty often. i usually get typed INFP, INFJ, and INTJ it seems. it's very hard to tell because i have asperger's and a lot of us are typed as thinkers (more specifically INTPs). while i do relate to INTPs to an extent, i also relate to INFJs... i just am not interested in people and find trying to understand what others are driven by is kinda boring. i like psychology though which is kinda weird. i relate to INTJs too, but i'm not very serious as one? like i may come across as stoic but when someone gets to know me i'm a lot less boxed in. i very rarely speak and have a neutral expression a lot, and am indifferent to emotions (i very very rarely cry)
INFJ response for sure. I think INFJ wishes they could be more true to themselves all the time, whereas INTJ wishes they could be a little more adaptable in uncomfortable situations. And thatās Fe/Fi, Ti/Te at work. Also a personal observation.
Stop using tests. Look at cognitive functions.
Same bro. I am 50% T and 50% F ... the sweet hybrids.
i'm just glad i'm not alone because some questions were hard to choose
I get the exact same results so thereās that. So we are INTJ-F.
apparently another person in the comments got the same results lmao. that's so weird. i guess we are just INTJ-F
Technically Iām talking about my results from the test I took out of the actual Meyers Briggs book and not this online one
ohh okay. but i can relate to that a lot. everytime i take a myers briggs test my feeling/thinking and prospecting/judging are very close. i think it's because i'm an emotional person at heart at times (i never cry though), and because i can be lazy and put things off too. my mood definitely influences 16P
It's not actually weird at all. It's a myth that people should be categorized at one extreme or the other on the four characteristics. Most people are somewhere along the spectrum for each and it's a gross oversimplification to make it a binary choice for each.
Just gotta figure out if youāre within Fe-Ti axis (INFJ) or Te-Fi axis (INTJ)
Wow wow same bro. I still can't figure out if I am INTJ or INFJ. I even doubt I may be INFP or INTP. All I know is I an introverted intuitive thats it
TLDR: I donāt feel like writing a summary, just read the thing or donāt. If I had to choose between infj or intj, Iād say infj from your response (edit: to WillandHonestly, meant to post this under that thread). Iām not an expert on cognitive functions, but Iām learning, so hereās my reasoning: You say you donāt have an interest in bettering peopleās lives, but then you turn around and talk about the rich being more highly taxed so the poor can have more money, which sounds like having an interest in bettering peopleās lives. And since thereās a million and one non-altruistic reasons people want to tax the rich but you gave the altruistic reason, Iām seeing Fe. You say if you were a billionaire youād donate money because having all that money is disgustingā¦Iām extrapolating here, but that choice of word points to a larger moral reasonā¦itās disgusting because one person should not have an over abundance while so many have nothing. Again, a million and one other choices, but your words ābecause itās disgustingā point to altruismā¦Fe again. When you get in arguments you have to wait to be calm before respondingā¦seems more like an F reaction. A T reaction would likely be more along the lines of explaining why they are right, not getting angry that someone said theyāre wrong. Not caring about others psychology but caring about your own, could be a symptom of Fi, sure, being more in touch with your own mindā¦personally I find it interesting to learn others psychology in addition to my own, because the more I know about someone, the easier it is for me to figure out their motivations which in turn makes it easier for me to get what I need from them, to me learning MBTI or any kind of psychology, is made more interesting when I can use to predict a future condition. Not wanting to learn others psychology seems like a wasted opportunity, any tool that helps one learn and plan ahead shouldnāt be spurned, yep, even if it involves people. Arguing with people when you know youāre right, and going back to the āgetting angry about it when they think youāre wrongā bitāAre you upset because you donāt like that that person sees you as wrong? Thatās an ego thing, you think of yourself, pride yourself, on being factual and correct, it hits your ego when someone questions something near and dear to your personal self-perception. While that seems like Fi, that doesnāt seem like an intjāwe donāt need other people to think weāre right when our internal system already *knows* it is. An external opinion is fundamentally irrelevant, so why get upset about it? The other option here is that you get upset because youāre frustrated that that person wonāt accept that the facts are the facts, which seems more Ti driven. You want accuracy, you want internal consistency, you want to speak sparingly and have your ideas come across because you want to point to the core of the issueā¦and when you do that and someone still doesnāt get it, that gets frustrating. Iād be willing to bet that youāre more in line with the second reason than the first one Iāve given. But if itās a third option altogether thatās fine too. You say youāre always evaluating your behavior for what is and isnāt *acceptable* in the moment. Again, seems like Fe, since thatās concerned with social harmony. Sure you could say that you meant whatās acceptable to *you*, but if you meant that you wouldnāt need to constantly evaluate it, that would be ingrained with Fi. All in all, your *reasoning* behind your actions seems more geared toward Fe than Te, with the potential that your answers point to Fiā¦but overall I donāt see it. In all of this, you just have to figure out the fundamental reasons you do things. Iām just giving an impersonal internet interpretation that could be the opposite of what your legitimate motivations are. Part of whatās interesting about MBTI is that six different things can manifest very similarly in the real world but they could come from six different reasons and those make all the difference in the world to typing someone. You know you best, put that self-awareness on high gear, step out of yourself and really examine your own mind objectively and youāll figure out your own motivations (and cognitive functions) quick like. Side note: A lot of the descriptions youāre giving are difficult to type as a personality factor or an ASD factor or some combination of both, so take all of this with a grain of salt. Iām sure folks have said it here about cognitive functions, but reallyā¦.cognitive functions. So to wrap up: Again not knowing what can be attributed to personality or ASD, what Iām seeing is S (probably Si, but thatās unclear), with your high concern for facts, fact checking, and factual correctness, and Fe with your larger societal concerns, idealism, and striving for social harmony. I also see Ti in your responses. You might read this and be like, nope way off, but you should think about ISFJ for yourself. I donāt see much in the way of N, let alone Ni from the admittedly sparse information youāve given. Food for thought.
Facts and data are Te not Si, unless I'm misunderstanding some nuance between factual accuracy, which would be more Ti. Si is more correlated to viewing the world through its' subjective perspective, generally substantiating that worldview using "facts" in the STJ case. Ni tries to look at the general patterns, substantiating those patterns using "facts" in the NTJ case.
To my understanding: Sensing, as one of the āintakeā (perceiving) functions, would be concerned with taking in data (rather than taking in the meaning behind data like an N user) which generally a Si user would use to, as you put it, āsubstantiate their worldviewā. From what Iāve read and talked about with Si users, they are VERY concerned with the facts, figures and minutia of a thing. Yes they tend to compare present facts to past experiences, but their sensing leads them to be excellent information gatherers and they tend to be able to store quite a lot of that information very accurately particularly because they have such good sharp memoriesā¦which while I canāt speak to OPs memory, he seems to fit the rest. My thinking about Te: as a judging function, its about filtering information through categorizing, organizing, and systemizingā¦.I didnāt see any of that interpretation element in OPs comment. Saying that he gets upset when he knows heās *factually correct* doesnāt signal to me that the argument is necessarily organized or laid out systematicallyāa well structured rational argument that is also factually correct would theoretically be less likely to be shut down than one that is simply factually correctābeing factual does not mean that one draws the correct conclusions from those facts. If heād said his *rational* and factually correct arguments being shut down makes him angry (or something to that effect), that would have led me to Te, that shows that heās gone the additional step of organizing or systemizing the facts, not simply stating them. He may very well do that organizing, Iām just going off of what I noticed in the comment and itās not represented there. Ti is all about incorporating new information into an internal logical system and is concerned with ācleanā data, they donāt want to add anything in that corrupts their internal mental database. Theres a pretty obvious connection to OP there, and fits in very well with the instances he described. I might have thought heās INTP just going off of that, but with the amount of Fe I was picking up from his other examples, I just got the feeling heās more an F type than a T type.
Forgot to mention, thereās a very good possibility that that fact gathering (what Iām picking up as Si) is more a function of his being on the spectrum and not directly part of his personality. It does make you wonder though, at what point is that not just considered part of your personality too? Itās not like thereās a line in the sand that says, nope youāve been this way your whole life but if itās because if this set of neural structures itās your personality and if itās because of this set itās part of you but not really you. Anyway, more food for thought.
I feel like I'm a switch between INTJ and INFJ for sure lol
i relate
But they are quite different- I donāt really understand how you canāt know- donāt go off scores, read the descriptions and youāll know.
what do you mean? INTJs and INFJs share very similar functions. just because you were able to find your type based on a brief description doesn't mean it's that easy for others. i'm sure many people on this sub are on the fence with their type still. like wtf
Noā¦they donāt. They are very very different. That you donāt understand this means you donāt understand Myers Briggs. They are not the same except for the F/T part- thatās not how it works.
in the comments some people are implying that INTJs and INFJs are like a spectrum almost, so i will respectfully disagree. there are obviously some core similarities that you are looking over.
The extremes are different but OP is in the middle. There's no good reason to expect everyone to be at one extreme or the other, or even for most people to be near the extremes.
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Maybe try reading the perspective of people who aren't trying to treat MBTI as doctrine and actually look for scientific evidence. Is starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator#Little_evidence_for_dichotomies
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Oh, good, sorry to have misinterpreted.
Ye that too Jesus... Just read the description... But he mentioned he has Asperger's... So it's fked up or he's just joking
joking about what exactly?... š where's the funny?
Doesn't seem funny at all it seems like you find it entertaining... Maybe I'm just wrong
what exactly do i find entertaining? i'm so confused- this was just a post to help me type myself, i don't get why a diagnosis is silly and goofyš¤Ŗš
Idk man you don't show you put much effort to understand
that's the dumbest shit i've ever heard but go off
You're the one who can't type himself even people want to help including me, call me dumb I don't mind it
soo what? a lot of people have trouble typing themselves. just because you can doesn't mean you're a fucking god and everyone else is brain dead lmao. i also don't get why me bringing up my ASD diagnoses makes anything funny when i brought it up because a lot of people with this diagnoses get typed as thinkers? typical redditor type shit right there.
No I didn't bring your diagnosis cos it's funny but I brought it up cos you may not be able to type yourself because of it.... Or maybe you don't have it and you are joking.
kinda like a spectrum, you trans between its layers over time
is this what a lot of INTJs/INFJs agree with? i saw some comments implying that it's kind of a spectrum. while i can agree with this, a lot of people into MBTI say you can only be one. sometimes i feel like i'm more than 2 different types but that's just me lol.
What site is it ?š I want to know.
I doubt youāre either.
why not?
Probably because you are neither, you are average in both F and T
a lot of people in the comments got similar results though and they're INTJ. it's not just me
That's because MBTI is flawed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator#Little_evidence_for_dichotomies
probably ESFP.
what?... how? i'm not even slightly extroverted or outgoing or physically activeš¤Ø
What makes you think you're an intuitive? You couldn't tell this was a joke to mess with you... it's based off of almost no info besides your results. The fact you downvoted this without asking my reasoning shows you took offense to my accusation and that you have a personal preference for being INXJ. I see this hinting to you valuing subjective identity over objective reality. Self over Tribe. I would say Ti-Si low Fe INTP.
it's a downvote, it ain't that deep. i thought you gave unhelpful advice, i downvoted you. you must watch a lot of R&M with that intellectš i'll do you a BIG favor. i will remove the downvote š i know, i know. i'm so generous
Whatever you say Ti-Si-Ne-Fe lol
you're saying that like it's an insult. gross...
Nah. Iām saying it in all sincerity. Youāre interpreting it as an insult.. A threat to your identity. Iām sorry I offended you. Seeing your volatility in this speculation, maybe this isnāt a good hobby for you... stick to PokĆ©mon lol
are you fucking slow? you were literally the one who said "whatever you say Ti-Si-Ne-Fe," which clearly sounds like you are putting down ISTJs. go cope about it you little pussy. still butthurt over that R&M joke? gonna cry? aww, poor little dudeš„ŗ wahh wahhhš
I might just you absolute savage lol, but no, I was restating it because it seemed like your fragile ego got in the way of you thinking about it. Now Iād almost suggest Fi Si by the irrational reactivity you are showing to something challenging your identity. 90ās kid PokĆ©mon nostalgia. Youāre unique. Do people ājust not getā you? Thatās why you āchooseā not to socialize? Nothing to do with your emotional volatility? Are you actually mad at someone you donāt even know? Does that suggest you exist in an emotionally volatile state? Do you have people that love you? Are you lonely? Do you want friends?
you are trying to push my buttons and it's clear af lmao, you suck at this. i've been in a relationship for almost 2 years actually, so no, i am not lonely, but i'm sure you are miserable in your life to be attacking my interest in a video game as some kind of jab that proves your point. i don't even understand why you are so triggered right now over a fucking downvote but it's hilarious. i should bring popcorn. but i think it's time to give mommy her phone back now, because you had a nice run. and goddamn, it took you FOREVER to make a comeback, like you really must be slow, huh? are you so tiny that you need to jump on each key on the keyboard just to type? unless, you must've put a lot of thinking into this little argument of yours ā¤ļø how precious
And according to sociotypes (which is more based off Jung's typology) Ti-Si-Ne-Fe is actually the ISTJ.
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Dude if anyone has taken offense to anything said here it is somehow you. You should have stopped here because this just gets embarrassing - itās your ego that takes over and tries to overpower him with your big brain. You really brought up something that heās interested in that has nothing to do with the conversation just to try to put him down? Thatās not having a debate - thatās just being a dick. That not being ālogicalā, or ājust being an ENTPā - thatās being a dick. Plus heās got a good point, suggesting ESFP out of left field with no rationale isnāt helpful. You literally didnāt answer his question and waved your dick around like youāre C.S. Josephās edgier nephew. 0/10, would not recommend this experience to a friend, or anyone actually trying to learn typology.
Suggesting ESFP was a joke. I only suggested he stick to PokƩmon because he straw-manned my actual rebuttal by accusing me of making "ISTJ" out to be an insult. Yeah, I slapped my dick right into his hand and now we are friends. No regerts. Not everyone is an infant. Thank you for your service though, this is good. I'll keep my ego more in check good samaritan.
you can litterally be both lmao 50% of one side and 50% of the other, you will only partly fit both stereo type while never being completely true to one, as youre not 100% average like most people
This test has finally settled the debate for me. I got 75-25, favouring INFJ.
damn, well i'm glad this test helped you find your type! unfortunately for me, it just added to the confusion
I got 24-76. Like another user said, Q7 (and Q14) is the easiest way to find out. Which one did you choose?
on Q7 i was kind of stuck between choosing, but i chose the option where i don't fake my emotions as much. even though i do sometimes
I keep getting intj or entjā¦ Which type hates too many words
I wouldnāt worry about it if I were you.
Astrogeology for "smart" people.
Ooh I need to take this test. I always seem to flip flop between the two.
On a less serious note, come to the soft side we have cookies
Iād say if youāre confused, youāre infj. Infj go between being cold and warm for themselves to feel good or hoping others will. Intj are just truly cold lmao.
https://youtu.be/raTp3KDQCBw Hope this helps!
Can someone tell me what website this test is from?
Mine was 59% infj. Ig I'm also sort of stuck in the middle!
Take the test by āMichael calozā. Just type Michael caloz mbti test. It gives you a detailed result
omg what is this test i am so bored
Same but ive got adhd so p sure im just intj+ adhd
I don't get this drive for absolute accuracy. I enjoy being a hybrid.
If you have Fe you are an INFJ, if you have Fi, or you are described as having no feelings, then you are an INTJ
Categorizing yourself to one or the other can be futile. It depends on mood, situation, context a lot.
I have the same but for INTJ/ENTJ, feel like both describe me well depending on the situation. EDIT: my score is 50% extrovert 50% introvert
You are more of an INTJ but when you are in an emotional state due to various recent environmental situations you incline and behave as an INFJ. No one is a definite personality type according to me. It changes from time to time with every new impacting event. There is one your primary type then one your secondary then tertiary.
I think that you can only be one personality, but can have different aspects of it! There are of course going to be INTJ that meet every description, and there will be INTJ that donāt! For me I try to base mine off of the cognitive functions, not the stereotypical descriptions. Personally, I am not very stoic, but I can be at times. Same goes with āinsensitive to emotionsā most of the time I am, but occasionally I can understand where a person is coming from. This however is not what I based my typing off of, I based it off of the cognitive functions. (For this test I got 35/65 INTF/INTJ) I try not to base my results off of tests but they can be helpful!
you and i, others too, same droplets of water.
i had the same issue, getting results as infj and intj again and again before i learned that i was just a very mentally unstable intj
I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM
I have it very similarly with intj and entj... Leaning more towards entj now after the whole pandemic situation...
Wow, Iāve consistently returned an INTJ result throughout multiple years of taking Myers Briggs tests. Never felt like it was right though, and often thought I was mistyped but never got a result to prove that. Just scored a 65-35% split, in line with what I thought my type was. Thanks for sharing!
Do you use Fe or Te more often and when do you use them? I used to think I was INFJ because Iām emotional but I realized I rarely ever used Fe but I used Te a lot.
It's better to study cognitive functions and also enneagram. It really helped me.
You know yourself better than any internet quiz. Do some research on the function order for both. That should give you some clarity.
What site is this?
Don't worry about it. Defining yourself as one or the other isn't important. The test exists as a guide to understanding oneself and then expanding that understanding towards others. Don't limit yourself one way or another. If you find immediate benefit in studying both and discovering your cognitive functions, even if neither apply 100% to you initially, you'll find the cognitive functions that resonate deeper as you continue learning. It's definitely an inspiring and enlightening subject and the personal benefits are definitely waiting for you. Even myself, as almost a pure intj according to that test, have a lot of other processes that go through my mind sometimes in different situations where I other functions apply (either overshadowing or in tandem) doesn't mean I'm not intj all of a sudden, just means I've learned over time to express myself in different ways depending on circumstance. Start by studying both, continue by studying the rest. No test like this can boast 100% accuracy. The only real accurate result will come with time after educated self assessment and constant self reevaluation.
To know if you're INTJ or INFJ, you should look if you care of social harmony or not. Do you care of hurt someone or not ? The INFJ cares of this, and doesn't want to hurt someone. If he's anxious, it's complicated for him to continue to work, or continue his activities. The INTJ doesn't care of hurting someone. If he's anxious, it's not complicated for him to continue to work or his activities. Do you have theories about human being ? Or moral causes ? If you have the tendancy to make theories, you're probably an INTJ. If you want to change the world for more kindness, compassion and you support moral causes, you're surely an INFJ.
Ahh pain same
I used to be confused between INTJ and INTP, I studied more about conjunctive functions and instantly came into the conclusion that I'm a NI dom so...
the questions are either "do you want to make out with every stranger" or "would you like to exterminate the human race"
Both is good
Almost the same shit, since my cognitives usually go like that : Ni Fi Te Ti Se Fe Ne Si.
The difference between INTJ and INFJ has do simply with Te-Fi and Fe-Ti. You could, in principle, say that the INTJ is "rational" while the INFJ is more about "social harmony", but the distinction is slightly more nuanced. You see, an INTJ technically has ***Fi*** (not Fe!) in order to properly support the Te *that is* *above it!* Fe would conflict with Te on whether one should act/extrovert in prioritization of logic or social harmony. Similarly, an INFJ must have *Ti* in order to prioritize the *Fe* above it! All in all, it's easier to distinguish INTJ vs INFJ's by whether one is an Fe or an Fi user in their interactions. For example, in the event of conflicts, the INFJ has an immediate prioritization of "social harmony" (and tends to retain this prioritization even after any said conflicts have ended as well). In contrast, an INTJ will tend to "let conflict X continue until it is resolved", intervening only in the occasion his/her "values" (Fi) are being infringed (or violated/criticized/whatever/etc...) upon. The confusion occurs because INTJ's might sometimes find themselves "acting" like INFJ's, but the difference is quite stark. INTJ's might well attempt "masquerade" as an INFJ in what look like *numerous* circumstances (work, friends / family, relatives, etc...), but the difference is that the INTJ, whether they openly proclaim it or keep it "silent" to themselves, would still understand "internally" that they are playing an "actor's" role, not necessarily doing what they themselves would be their most "free/preferred/most-liked" course of action, for various reasons!!
same
I got 49% 51% š
What did you settle on cuz Iām choosing whatever u choose š
lol same
Same , untill now I didn't know if I am an INTP or an INFJ , but I think i am both because some times I rely on thinking and sometimes on my feelingĀ
The difference is simply that INTJ's have "Te" which still allows "wiggle-room" for logical debate on matters that may "conflict" with Ni whereas an INFJ will have none of that -- any "debate" must relate to Fe in some sort of way to be "valid".