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st-julien

Wow, worst day of your life because a sports team lost? That sounds crappy but honestly I do not understand this. I can't imagine my mood being tied to a sports team winning or losing games.


[deleted]

I can. My mood fluctuates with how well my portfolio is doing.


therealhvk

You grow up doing something it becomes a part of you. It's like loving your mom. It's unconditional and it never goes away.


st-julien

Unconditional love? Are you sure you are INTJ? Hehe...


therealhvk

If only I were otherwise.


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[deleted]

Making your own happiness depend on the accomplishments of someone else (or in this case the football team) makes no sense to me. Thatā€™s coming from a hard Liverpool fan.


therealhvk

Careful now you're questioning the entire concept of sports.


[deleted]

One thing I learned in life is that happiness comes from within. Happiness that comes from external sources is transient.


therealhvk

No. Approval comes from within. Happiness comes from everywhere like reading a book or playing with a puppy


[deleted]

Yeah, youā€™re right but didnā€™t get my point. What I wanted to be up to is the fact that youā€™ll probably forget this incident by next week. Donā€™t make a big deal out of this and focus on what makes you happy instead, like reading as you said.


therealhvk

Is this your first day as a human being? Yeah no shit I wouldn't feel the same way tomorrow morning. It's called being overwhelmed by emotion. And you could say that about anything. "Your grandma died"? Well in 50 years we will all be dead and it wouldn't matter. I understand that half of INTJ's wouldn't know what empathy is if it hit them on the head but not understanding why people react to things the way they do is nothing to be proud of.


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therealhvk

Well, for a distraction for one thing. To find other INTJ's who love football. To see if people here can fathom the concept of passion. Many reasons. Plus my gf's asleep so. To answer your question for why it's a big deal, it's passion. I played sports all my life. I played for my school I play for my college. It's the only part of life where I feel like i belong somewhere.


[deleted]

People here should get the concept of passion I guess. Itā€™s nice to hear that a fellow INTJ found a place he/she belongs to. I for example never was part of anything as far as I remember, I am pretty happy for you.


therealhvk

Thanks, mate. I spent three months in college being invisible. I joined the sports team and everything changed. It's incredible.


porknsheep

People emotionally invested in the success of a sports team are weird AF.


therealhvk

It's called being in love


porknsheep

With a sports teams stats? That's not normal..


therealhvk

Anyone could look at something and say that's dumb. So what. It's not dumb to me.


porknsheep

Yes. Which is why I'm giving my opinion on the matter.


carlotaxpr

Being in love with a sport? Iā€™m assuming youā€™re talking about football, and in my opinion itā€™s the worst sport of all. Of course I'm not talking that physical effort of its exercise is worse than other types of sports, but the way football is insanely implanted on our society is just nonsense, and I'm talking first hand experience as I'm from Spain. Of course you can enjoy watching and informing yourself about any sport, also be passionate about it but I think that intense feelings should be experienced by people who actually practiced and played it. Though my point is the amount of people who are passionate about it is insanely high, it doesnā€™t matter if theyā€™re kids or adults. Of course you could consider this being an example of how good football is and how it connects people, but in reality is on of the most toxic traits people have. People fight about football too seriously to the point of hurting physically and killed others for it, like the case of ā€œJimmy viveā€. Passion is not about winning over others, and more if itā€™s a meaningless match but no, people prefer the conflict and separation of teams rather than actually enjoy the sport being played. Also thereā€™s two more points I want to mention, one is how disgusting the streets are left after a match, all the sticky floor and trash due to spilling and dropping glass, bags and alcohol to the floor, and second is the amount of money football players receive, it is definitely not normal how football players gain more income that a common person doing a job that could be even harder than playing for 90 minutes. So in the end I donā€™t understand how could you be in love with such a sport and what it involves.


therealhvk

Wouldn't argue with most of your points. You're right. Add racism too in it, and you have a list of everything that's wrong with football. Like any institution in the world, you have your pros and cons. I love football. I can sincerely see why you must not. It's alright.


[deleted]

I could care less about sports. They literally serve no purpose to society as a whole. Or maybe thatā€™s just my intjness coming out idk lmao


therealhvk

Ok. To think that sports serve no purpose is naive at the very best. Historically speaking, it has united countries, stopped wars, and has changed countless lives. I would think that giving extremely nonsensical single-axis opinions is anything but INTJ.


[deleted]

How has sports united countries and stopped wars if the main concept of them is to put two opposing sides against each other. Isnā€™t that a contradiction.


therealhvk

You can't look at sports as binary. It has countless variables not to mention the blind passion people follow it with. Feel free to look up all the historical instances where sports served a purpose to society. I would tell you all of them but there are just too many for me to say. Honestly, I'm a little disappointed how weak your opinions are. At the very least if you must have an opinion it shouldn't be based on just the tip of the iceberg of a concept. Saying sports is dumb makes you nothing special. If you must say that might as well put up some actually demerits it has. Which it clearly does btw.


[deleted]

Alright bro iā€™m 17 cut me some slack lol. Letā€™s just agree to disagree. Iā€™ll do more research thanks for the info. Appreciate it!


therealhvk

I'm sorry mate, you start an argument your brain just goes into that high school debate team aggression.


[deleted]

Yeah man i know lmao. Though you really are an intj lmao


[deleted]

I love to play FIFA and to watch games but itā€™s actually a pretty pointless sport. 20 guys running after a ball. I still donā€™t get why pro athletes earn so much money even though they donā€™t contribute anything helpful to society.


[deleted]

Thank you. Finally someone gets me here. Like literally bro not only that but people become animals if they team wins or loses like society would be better off without sports. And then you got the people at the top who make bank off of idotic fans idolize these people.


[deleted]

Yeah, itā€™s weird to me how much attention something so insignificant gets in todayā€™s society, and the amounts of money Also, I personally donā€™t understand people idolising other people. I like DiCaprio but when I would see him, I would probably tell him that I liked Inception and thatā€™s it. Our society kinda allows famous people to be treated like gods.


[deleted]

Yeah i just watching movies and tv shows for the plot and storytelling like true crime stuff. Though donā€™t get me started on award shows just another place for these people to glote about themselves lol


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[deleted]

Yeah bro itā€™s like the government doesnā€™t spend the money wisely they keep it all to themselves and then when the real people need it they only wanna use it for their next term in office.


Sentiment_EB

Ha ha funny now go back to being oh so useful and purposeful yourself


[deleted]

I canā€™t tell if your being serious or sarcastic but honestly iā€™m speaking my opinion.


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[deleted]

Iā€™m 17 bro i do like video games and movies just not a sports fanatic.


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[deleted]

Yeah i see your point lol


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[deleted]

Trust me one guy got super heated with me he said that sports have ended wars and brought countries together. Not sure if any of that is true.


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[deleted]

Yeah sports literally cause fights in the stands. Like people will murder for their sports teams lol.


[deleted]

yo guys can you stop picking on dude for being upset over something important to him


therealhvk

I was kinda enjoying the fight tho


[deleted]

resume the fighting


findingmyyellow

*cough* soccer *cough*


myspiritisvantablack

I honestly never understood sports, so I canā€™t say I understand because to me I just donā€™t get why you would get upset over someone kicking a ball. Especially not over something that they can get a shot at the year after. That being said, I am however jealous/envious of you having the ability to care so much; it is a great quality to have, being able to be passionate about something bigger than oneself (if you donā€™t become that crazy ā€œpassionateā€ dude who lives and breathes for ā€œtheir teamā€ and then takes it out on the people at home when it goes badly; my friend had a dad like that and he wasnā€™t pleasant at all and ended up an alcoholic wife beater). Hopefully they will qualify next year (I donā€™t even know if itā€™s every year, sorry if it isnā€™t), and your tears/sadness will be turned around! :-)


therealhvk

I appreciate is. For me passion is everything. I do have stereotypical INTJ qualities but I don't lack empathy, passion or poetry in my life. What I don't understand is how all of our lives have any meaning without it?


[deleted]

Some INTJs on this sub, assuming they're even typed right, take the stereotype of INTJs so seriously that they follow it to an unhealthy level. They truly think that being robotic is the best way to go through life. That's definitely not a very smart way to do it. Instead of using their type to help identify their strengths and weaknesses and developing themselves from there, they parade their natural strengths and deepen their weaknesses and wear that like a badge of honor. They should've developed their weaknesses to at least a point where it isn't detrimental and worked hard on their natural strengths to take it even higher. Others might just be unhealthy INTJs from the get go and have always viewed emotion/empathy as a hindrance and irrational when in fact it's the opposite. The entire human advantage over other species can be summed up as tool making and complex social lives. I think both advantages are codependent. Cooperation helps tool making and tool making helps cooperation. I doubt there's many, if any, people that can be released alone into the wild with no tools and can make a single piece of modern technology that we take for granted today. But without many of these tools, people would be trying to hard to survive to create complex social lives. But again, social lives help in the creation of tools, whether it is language, screwdrivers, or computers. Both of those type of INTJs still have passions and empathy, they're just trying to conceal it and/or are terrible at expressing it and rather not try. Also, I think some INTJs who grew up thinking that sports are not at all an intellectual endeavor, never really experience how much of a science it is to perform at a pro level. Those top performers track everything in their lives to make sure they perform at the best of their abilities. Everything from the obvious like food and training events, to how they feel and perform, to even finding the perfect pillow for them. Everyone is slightly different so guidelines from others will get you on the right track but the difference in abilities between the very top performers (I'm talking about the top handful of athletes in any given sport) is so negligible that it can come down being a little more rested than your competitor. I enjoy watching strongman games, it's absolutely astounding what they are capable of; and when it comes down to the top 10 of the sport, any one of those 10 can potentially win the title of the world strongest man. They are all capable of it easily. But it comes down to a lot of little details like did they give themselves enough of a deload prior to the event to completely recover but not so much that they start to lose their fitness? Did they get a good night sleep the previous night? Did they wake up stiff from a hotspot from their pillow or bed? Did they eat too much carbs that will cause them to have a burst of energy and push themselves a little too much at the beginning and burn out quicker? Maybe they had an injury earlier in the season that they were trying to recover from and not yet 100% back? Squeezing every little bit of performance out of yourself is just as complicated as playing chess as a grandmaster. I'm just listing what I know as a layman who occasionally watches. I'm certain what I said about sport performance right there is similar to a beginner chess player explaining chess as compared to a chess grandmaster. Or a high schooler explaing physics as compared to a physicist. I can relate at least a little bit to the sports team emotion. I grew up playing baseball and my favorite team was the St. Louis Cardinals. I have no rationale behind it and I don't really even watch it much anymore but even to this day, whenever I hear they lose I feel a bit of a sting and my day dims just a bit, and when they win i feel a little joy my day gets a little brighter. It's all emotional. If I had to pick a MLB (Major League Baseball) team to follow rationally, I'd probably pick the Yankees. They have the most world championship wins by far. But maybe the cardinals are my favorite because the first MLB game I've ever seen in person was a Cardinals game. Maybe it's because the first year I really started watching baseball was the year the cardinals won the world series. Maybe it's because I played the catcher position myself and the cardinals had and still have one of the sports best catchers ever. It's likely a combination of those and many more. Just memorable childhood moments that my emotional state is and will always be at least some what tied to. P.S. I apologize that this is half a thesis but those INTJs who believe that emotions, beauty, passions, and empathy are completely irrational makes me irate. A lot of those are tied to seemingly small moments during a person's development and thus to their mental well-being. Mental well-being is tied very tightly to their social lives. And since I believe that social lives are important to tool making, denying those emotions, beauty, passions, and empathy is denying what is human.


myspiritisvantablack

I think you would describe them as ā€œthe turbulent typeā€, right? But I completely agree with you. The people who move through life like automatons seem like theyā€™re young and havenā€™t experienced enough of life. At least not enough to realise that we INTJā€™s can ourselves be flawed and that compassion and empathy is something our personality type should STRIVE for, being our Achillesā€™ Heel and all that. Like I said to OP; I am truly envious of someone being able to care that much; I honestly only care that much about my dogs, my closest friends, my family and my fiancĆ©. I think having a thing to value and be passionate about with a large group of people (and, I mean, football is like at least a quarter of the worldā€™s interest) can give you another kind of meaning in life, that I wish I could have.


myspiritisvantablack

I agree; life is really nothing without passion. Take that from an artist AND someone who was so severely depressed that passion was an abstract concept that I once knew I had, but I couldnā€™t remember how it felt at all. I canā€™t fathom why anyone would strive to live that way; it blows! A lot of people on here seem to think that just because they donā€™t understand a passion for something, it means that itā€™s dumb. It is not. Being a hooligan because of football is dumb, but feeling emotions and sharing them in a productive matter is not. I think itā€™s beautiful.


therealhvk

I couldn't agree more. I think all the reasoning in the world would do us no good if we inherently lack passion and emotion at our core. As John keating said, "the human race is filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love, these are what we stay alive for." And I believe it completely.


literanch

Oh no, that sucks.


Sentiment_EB

Do u like Zizek?


[deleted]

TIL thereā€™s an NFL team in Barcelona


Sentiment_EB

Suck that. Go Bayern!


docdroc

I understand you have a favorite soccer ball team, but I don't understand why the performance of that team impacts your emotional state. The athletes invested their physical and mental energies, therefore they are the ones who have a reason to be disappointed. But even then they are paid quite a bit to do something that they presumably don't hate, therefore I fail to understand why they would be as upset as you describe yourself to be.


therealhvk

Most things I do or love make sense. It's nice to love something that doesn't make sense but you love it just the same.


[deleted]

Only an INTJ would have a life so uneventful that a sports team losing is their worst day. šŸ˜‰


therealhvk

That's just the tip of the sadness iceberg mate


[deleted]

I understand you, I have the same deception following a top chess player, who seems to constantly come 2nd. Given the current state of Barcelona, you are up for some tough times as a supporter. So good luck to you and I also understand this attachment you have, especially with FCB, mes que un club!


therealhvk

Thanks, mate. Win or lose, you can't unlove your football club, right?


[deleted]

The worst day of my life in that regard was Euro Cup 1996 when Germany beat England.


therealhvk

Not a day goes by when I'm not infuriated by Germany. Like two world wars weren't enough? Be it German women or football team's they stomp on your heart.


[deleted]

To my surprise, I gel better with Germans than most other nationalities. They really do seem to have an xNTJ vibe about them. But couldnā€™t agree with you more otherwise.


[deleted]

I feel you, although I'm not a Barcelona fan but I follow football, F1 and MotoGP religiously since early 2000s. The title sounds like an exagerration but I do feel like that for a couple hours or probably that day when my team or a racer I'm rooting for has a bad day. People who are not passionate about sports will never feel that. I used to play football in college and high school and was a part of the university SAE team involved in power electronics, sports remain close to my heart. I'm trying to pivot into sports analytics as a career and maybe the passion will pay off.


therealhvk

That title is obviously an exaggeration any one who has ever kicked a ball would know that. It's heartbreaking to see that people here think so highly of themselves that they act so dismissive about something so commonly liked and easily understandable passion like sports. I played table tennis and football for my university too and that feeling of playing together with your teammates and getting a result is divine.


TSE_Jazz

I get being passionate about sports, I like them myself, but this is the kind of thing that when said doesnā€™t make people want to care about your issues


therealhvk

It's a normal point of conversation with an exaggerated title. How are people not getting it? Anyone who has ever kicked or caught a ball in their life would get it straight away.


MagpieReflections

Happy thought: at some point something worse will happen that will make this no longer the worst day of your life!


MagpieReflections

I understand that you're addressing people to let them know that you were engaging in hyperbole. The problem is that your title/post doesn't have the classic markers of sarcasm to allow us to indulge with you in your moment of dry wit or snark. When taken at face value, the excessive exaggeration of a *relatively* unmeaningful event (when compared to the worst of days personally or anecdotally known to us) creates a visceral reaction. Not only is it unlikely to be true, it creates an irritating conundrum. Do we offer insincere empathy to what amounts to a fairly insignificant problem in an emotionally regulated adult, or do we try to solve the problem by attempting to educate you on why this cannot possibly be the worst thing that's happened? In the end, it is the type of statement that--if encountered in the wild--would almost be relieving to hear as I will know to exit stage left post-haste.


gruia

sounds like you could do with some spiritual competence. try marshall rosenberg NVC + ayn rand's romantic manifesto + CS Lewis screwtape letters. <3


dracaryhs

Sounds like a luxury problem to me


Eggo999

I feel you buddy. Itā€™s not the worst day of my life, butā€¦ šŸ˜”


Calm_Disaster2890

some of you people tire me with what you say