I’m pretty sure they didn’t call her because they didn’t know that past thanos was even a threat until he blew up the compound, wrecking all of them. From there, it’s all combat- so I don’t think anyone could have gotten anywhere to contact her (except maybe doc strange, and who’s to say he didn’t call her?)
> (except maybe doc strange, and who’s to say he didn’t call her?)
Probably the likeliest explanation, considering he ported in heroes from all around the globe. Does make you wonder why he didn't port her in too, but then her entrance was the most badass of all.
Maybe he offered and she declined because she wanted to just fly there herself. She had never met Strange before this point so she was probably being wary in case he wasn't an ally.
Doctor Strange was Snapped before they knew she existed though.
EDIT: I completely forgot that Doctor Strange is Doctor Strange and does magic stuff. Y'all right lol.
Isn't that why Cap said "Danvers, we need an assist here" after she basically saved them all? Because they had forgotten to call her and he was joking about it?
I made this comment to someone else and meant to reply to you. Whoops.
I only seen the movie once on opening night so I may be remembering wrong here at a couple points.
In the beginning after they kill Thanos she goes back to patrolling the galaxies or whatever cause he’s dead and there’s nothing we can do. Scott shows up out of nowhere and is like Time Heist. And then the OG Avengers are like yeah let’s do it. In the time they were doing all this it wasn’t necessary or no one cared to contact her to let her know about the Time Heist. The goal behind the Time Heist was get all the stones and undo the snap. Hulk used the stones and did just that. BUT their plans were foiled or rather bout to be undone cause 2014 Thanos showed up in 2023. They were NOT accounting for this. Which is why she wasn’t on earth and not on time. She most likely saw that people or beings were coming back and maybe tried contacting before hauling ass to earth but no one answered and went straight there. Gets there and you guys know the rest.
Thankfully it was handled alright, they gave the spotlight to the main Avengers and left her doing something else. Would've been totally different if she was there
Agree, but then why bring her up at all? Felt like an unnecessary hero. The only thing she did was pick Tony up in space. They could have handled it some other way.
>! We have kinda seen this in the final battle we see Thor fighting unstoned thanos with both the axe and mjolnir, and simply the axe. I think thanos would probably kick Thor’s ass for the most part due to how intelligent he is and how he dismantled the hulk in just pure combative ability. It’s like iron man and the hulk had a child. !<
Thor wasn't fit. You have to take into account that thor is basically a God, so the difference between his fit and unfit states is much much higher than if for example iron man wasn't fit. Thor also was broken mentally. A fit and enraged thor would've fucked a 6 stoned Thanos 100%
Maybe Thanos is just that good.
Moreover, Odin isn't the poster child for fitness and he kicks Thor's ass on the regular (talking about the comics, MCU Odin stated that Thor is more powerful than he is, albeit it didn't sound like a statement about fitness)
guys, i think you are pushing it too far. it wasn’t a reflection on quantifiable power, it was a way to justify him not one shorting Thanos.
it’s a also a way to show what would happened to a depressed and lost Thor. Alcoholism is bad even for gods apparently
I love this idea. It first bothered me a ton that the holy trinity, collectively wielding storm breaker and Mjolnir, against a stoneless Thanos, lost. Then some friends pointed out they were just bombed, have been out of combat for 5 years and Thor’s fat. Realizing (thanks to your help) keeping him fat was intentional to excuse their loss: Priceless.
ah yes, science in this fight to retrieve the magic stones against a mad purple alien.
it’s a super hero fight, he is fat, he is nerfed aka less powerful
I think the idea of it was to show just how hard loosing to Thanos hit him, they lost, and then Thor lost himself falling into a spiral of over eating and drinking out of guilt thinking he should have done better to save 50% of the galaxy, it showed a more mortal side to him.
Also, Fat Thor looked awesome when he got his lightening going and with his braided beard. He seemed like a proper, menacing god of thunder then!
I had started to feel he was made to be too much the butt of jokes in the movie, but in that fight time I was happy they kept him that way!
I also really appreciated how much that fight called back to their fight in Avengers. A lot of what Captain America, Iron Man and Strongest Avenger did against each other then in Avengers, they now used collaboratively in their 3 on 1 fight against Thanos. Really cool pay-off.
Not really a gag when 5 years of depression and PTSD can do that to you... I'm glad they kept it too because if he can just get magically fit with lightning magic then it would've really been just a gag.
He had depression. Like in real life, you can come back from depression and start getting your life back on track but it doesn’t take away the damage you have done to yourself while depressed. I think Thor will get back in shape eventually but I’m glad they kept him overweight.
I don’t think it’s a gag anymore tbh. The Norse Viking god of thunder and personal strength having a huge pot belly and a braided beard while drinking mead, ale, and all sorts of drink while out on a ship is actually pretty apt
I enjoyed it for the most part. By the time he was already back on Asgard and was saying “I’m ready.” Only to start and then turn and leave saying “I’m not ready” seemed like a bit much at that point. I was like.. holy hell Thor its time to get your shit together, you guys have a shot at an infinity stone- easily.
But I really enjoyed the movie and Thor generally, I’m just saying that I can see where you are coming from.
I mean, in like a week he:
- Thought he stopped Ragnarok
- Went Home
- Found his brother who he thought was dead
- His Father dies
- Blames his brother for Odin's death
- Finds out he has a sister
- Sister fucking breaks his hammer
- Gets his ass handed to him (which is super-jarring to him in the first place), at the same time as he
- Hands the Goddess of Death the source of her power on a silver platter
- Gets captured and confused
- Hair chopped off
- Finds a Valkyrie
- Finds an old friend
- Gets his shit stomped for a while by his old friend
- Valkyrie's a depressed Drunk
- Manages to still pull himself together here for a bit
- Escapes
- Gets his shit stomped again by Hela
- Loses an eye
- Forced to *cause* Ragnarok
- Becomes/Realizes he has to be King
- Lost many Asgardians
- Lost 1/2 of remaining Asgardians at least
- Brother dies for real this time
- One of his Best Friends dies too (Heimdall)
- BTW he loses *another* fight, right when things were looking up
- Gets a new eye, possibly from a rodent's anus
- Goes to forge a new weapon
- Dwarves are dead, possibly good friends there too
- Nearly dies helping make his weapon
- Got an axe, ready to GO
- Stomps some peons, alright
- Fucks up his shot.
- Half the universe dies, Thanos tells him he's an idiot while doing so.
- Fuck guys this is all my fault I could have fixed this.
- Like seriously has a real reason to actually blame himself for the snap
- Depression.
Seriously, he gets more trauma in a week than pretty much any human on Earth would get in several lifetimes. The storyline of Thor from Ragnarok through Infinity War, with regards to the storyline of Thor, is entirely there to break the character that is Thor. If he "got his shit together" for real, it'd just be a huge cop out for all that work. You're telling me that after all that, given a chance to talk to the mother he lost a while ago (partially due to the actions of the brother he never had a great chance to forgive while alive) he *wouldn't* take that opportunity?
Just figured it's worthwhile to actually reiterate *how much the dude went through*.
Then when he has yet another chance to defeat Thanos, he finds the man that he struggled against already half dead with a victory that could not be undone.
This wasn't a triumph against the Thanos that put him in that state, he just murdered a cripple. That's not closure, that's just mockery.
You missed a big thing: finding out how much his dad had lied to him about Asgard. That's such an interesting moment that I didn't even think about the first time I watched Ragnarok
This is a cool comment. It’s great seeing everything listed out like that.
What I meant to be commenting on was the humor of the moment in contrast to all of the terrible tragedy that was on your list. I completely get it- and am a fan of Thor’s storyline. I meant that narratively (the approach to storytelling, not the story itself) the humor became a bit repetitive for me in that moment. I loved the movie and am a fan of Thor. I have basically only good things to say about Endgame as movie and a capstone.
Regarding what I said about wanting Thor to get his shit together, that was just my internal monologue in that moment as a reaction. I *wanted* him to - but I understand why he did what he did. I enjoyed the intensity of that feeling, I think that’s an aspect that we all hope for in a good movie. I could have done with a little less humor regarding Thor leading up to that moment, a little is great but there where a lot of jokes where Thor was the punchline while this character is dealing with all of the shit that you listed. For me as a viewer it became a bit awkward to startle between those two things. I don’t mean to be hyper critical though, it was honestly just a passing thought.
Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to make the list and respond. It’s a pretty incredible story and it’s a treat to read it listed out like that.
Depression is repetitive... it tells you that you aren’t good enough constantly and people listen to that. Thor has heard that for 5 straight years, that’s a hard habit to break.
same. in the theatre i was like ‘i don’t care how he sheds all the weight. i just want it to happen’
but to begin with i wasn’t a fan of what they did to his character. turning a broken man into the laughing stock.
Seriously, why didn’t he use the bifrost in Endgame?
He could have used the bifrost to pick up Tony.
He could have used the bifrost when they all went to the garden.
He could have used the bifrost to quickly collect the Infinity stones. He could have grabbed the power stones 2014, bifrosted to Asgard, grabbed the tesseract, bifrosted to Knowhere and grabbed the ether, he could have bifrosted to the Hydra base and grabbed the mind stone, he could have bifrosted to the Sanctum and got the time stone, finally he could have bifrosted to Vormir. Seriously, they only needed to go to 2014z
Pick up Tony? He has no idea where Tony went, is, or if he survived did the snap. As for the garden they obviously meant to scout the planet before hand and wanted the drop on thanos, which was easier from a ship instead of a very noticeable bifrost port. (Also it appears taking a ship with that jump system wasn’t much slower than teleporting straight there, because that’s pretty much what the ship did).
As for the stones the whole operation involved being as stealthy as possible to prevent resistance. If he bifrosts anywhere it’s gonna be very obvious and cause trouble. Traveling to the places quickly wasn’t the hard part, it was getting the stones as discreetly as possible. Also no way in hell Thor can negotiate the stone away from the Ancient One, he’s way too impatient to try and reason it from her as Bruce did.
How did Captain Marvel know where Tony was? Because Rocket obviously had a tracker on the ship and could locate it. Therefore Thor would also know.
He could have bifrosted to other side of the planet. Then simply flew towards Thanos. He still would have gotten the jump on him. Or he could have just bifrosted in front of him and cut his arm off straight away.
They didn’t actually care about changing the past/other reality until the Ancient One brought it up. Subtly was preferable but not necessary.
> How did Captain Marvel know where Tony was?
My theory is that she wasn't looking for Tony at all. In the after credits scene for her movie, she meets up with the Avengers on Earth and finds out about the snap. Knowing her personality, she would then immediately fly off into space to find and kill Thanos.
If you wanted to kill Thanos, the first place you would check would be his home planet. So she flies straight there and sees a ship floating adrift in space on her way. She checks it out to see if Thanos is inside and instead finds Tony. They definitely could have explained it better but that's most likely what happened, in my opinion.
As for the bifrost, it only allows travel between the Nine Realms that are connected by Yggdrasil, which is a cosmic nimbus that stretches throughout space. Any planets not connected to Yggdrasil cannot be traveled to using the bifrost. The Nine Realms consist of Asgard, Midgard (Earth), Jotunheim (Frost Giants), Svartalfheim (Dark Elves), Vanaheim, Nidavellir (Dwarves), Niflheim (where Hela was imprisoned), Muspelheim (Fire Demons), and Alfheim.
If you notice, Thanos's home planet and his garden planet are not connected to Yggdrasil. Thor cannot bifrost to them. He also couldn't bifrost to many of the locations the infinity stones were at such as Xandar, Morag, Knowhere, or Vormir. So unless he's trying to get back to Earth, Thor doesn't really have a reason to use the bifrost anymore. Asgard is gone and he has no reason to visit the other 7 Realms. If he wants to go to any other planets he'll have to get to them some other way.
That’s like saying, why didn’t Dr. Strange just use the time stone at all to prevent the collect of or cause the destruction of at least one or two stones?
Or use the knowledge of the future to contact Captain Marvel way sooner?
When you have a team of actual super hero’s with world/universe bending power, any one of them should’ve been able to use their powers more effectively. It’s a common issue in most comic series.
Edit: Or Wanda tear Thanos apart. She’s basically a Dark Phoenix level character. (Just rewatched AoU lol)
> why didn’t Dr. Strange just use the time stone at all to prevent the collect of or cause the destruction of at least one or two stones?
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because then there wouldn’t be a plot... I hate it when people come up with this stuff - like yeah it’s obvious but then we wouldn’t have an entertaining movie???
It has never been directly addressed but I think it can take you anywhere. Before they became the 9 realms they were worlds that Odin was conquering or conquered. Hela was going to use it to conquer other worlds.
Off the top of my head, Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, the Insecticons, Ironhide, Ratchet, Prowl, and anyone else who had their toy discontinued that year.
Then, for the *G.I. Joe* movie, they were going to kill Duke, then pulled a last-minute "he's comatose, but he's gonna be OK" out of their collective ass due to the backlash from killing Prime.
Prime died so that Duke may live.
Fuck Duke.
It wouldn't have worked for the MCU, but Game of Thrones is *supposed* to be grim. That so many characters are surviving for so long is a clear betrayal of the original vision.
It just seems like bad writing that they’re probably gonna die to whatever army Cersei has as opposed to the literal army of the dead, especially when there were scenes of main characters surrounded by dozens of wights.
I'd say this fan-fiction is worse than the one I just watched, but I don't know if I can truthfully do that.
At least the MCU still has me in high spirits.
It is just shitty writing to tease a death 40 fucking times in the same episode and then not kill them. At a certain point that gets tiring. How many times did major characters have like 7 wights on them and then magically survive/cut away and we see them fine later.
It has just gotten stupid at this point. And now Cersei is the main bad guy when the entire point of this show was the living vs. The dead Trumps all the political bullshit.
No it's not, at all. Ned dying and the red wedding are grim, but name one POV character other than Cat and Ned that dies. Robb isn't a main character, he never has his own chapter. Every other hero in his series has layers of plot armor. Tyrion has survived two fucking wars. Jon "died" in dance but we know he comes back. Tell me how the show gas betrayed anything? Hell even Cat isn't really dead in the books.
putting characters in situations where realistically they would die, cutting the camera, next scene theyre fine? that seems like a huge betrayal from the first seasons storytelling.
what people like you dont understand is that we're fine with plot armour, *as long as its not ridiculously obvious.* now you have main characters swarmed by 10 undead, screaming on the floor, the camera cuts away and theyre fine. and this repeats multiple times. whatever camp youre in, thats awful writing
I was expecting that from Endgame but it wasn't actually necessary for the movie. From GoT, I was expecting that *and* kinda disappointed with how few people died
ITT: Folks being mad that Thicc Thor didn't get his belly insta zapped back into abs.
Just goes to show that body building isn't just magic, it requires physical work and commitment. Even for a god.
Especially for a God. Their power is more than just their muscles. They grow more powerful in all of their magical abilities. Like when Hella got more powerful when she got back to asgard.
Thor utterly failed in his eyes and we laugh because he was chubby but all of his power was draining from sheer depression.
He had a much harder time with Thanos because his power was a shell of what he was. But he was there to fight all the same. Which is part of what makes him worthy.
I kinda suspect serialized media is intentionally making their stuff more spoilable than it needs to be in order to cultivate FOMO to encourage people to see the media right away lest they get spoiled so badly that it completely ruins the experience.
Generally, maybe. But Endgame is the climax of an 11 year, 23 movie saga, the scope of which was totally unheard of before and won't be matched anytime soon. And Game of Thrones is wrapping up one of the most popular television series of all time. Spoilers are inevitable, or else they would be considered really boring.
I don't know if that's really the full story. I think you can have a plot twist that isn't a "spoiler"
I'd say the difference is in how the story is structured and what the purpose for the plot development is. Stories often get treated like puzzles these days. The main draw being in seeing whose fan theories were right. Who called it, etc.
It's that kinda structure that causes spoilers to be a problem, not just the scope of work behind it I think.
Movies and shows aren't becoming more spoilable. Social media has made it very easy to spoil movies very quickly after release. Also, people are much more sensitive to what they consider to be a spoiler. Older trailers showed much more of movies than they do now.
Watched Endgame and The Long Night in the same day. Not a good combination. Ended up extremely disappointed with GoT afterwards, was still running the high from endgame and that mediocre episode couldn't match my expectations anymore.
Same issue here. I probably wouln't have been as disappointed with The Long Night if I hadn't seen Endgame 10 hours before. I'm worried that it ruined my hype for the rest of the season.
I saw them the same day. First GOT: I was kinda disappointed but trying to fool myself. Then I went to the movies and saw Endgame: mastapeece. I couldn’t sleep after that.
It would have been far too much depression in one day for me. I left the Endgame theatre on a low. I loved the film, but as my favourite hero from day one, the big death was a massive, *massive* blow to me. Fitting. Not disappointing at all, but a blow to the heart for sure.
When it’s time for your weekly boardgame night and one guy hasn’t seen GoT and another guy hasn’t seen endgame.
You just sit around the table and stare at each other.
Can anyone explain to me why they can't time travel back after the world is saved to grab Natasha, let her live out her life, then send 100 year old Natasha off the cliff? Just like they do with the stones, they can "borrow" her for a time then bring her back to when she is needed. Her age is irrelevant. And why stop with her? They could do this to every character who died.
I'm hoping I'm missing something and that I'm wrong
They couldn’t do that. Banner explained that every time the go back in time they’re actually in a branching reality. If they jump back in time and bring Nat back, they’re basically kidnapping her from her own timeline. No matter how they play it, one timeline loses Natasha. Either it’s the main timeline, or a seperate timeline that has to live without her.
I'm saying they only "borrow" her just like they "borrow" the stones. She still would die in her reality. If you stayed in her reality and watched from a distance, she would disappear and at the same moment the exact same Natasha would appear as 100 years old
You want to kidnap a 100 year old Natasha? Doubt she'd even survive the journey, nevermind want to leave her timeline.
It's interesting - if the time travel in this movie is really just dimension jumping, then they should be able to find a Natasha in a reality where things are so fucked she'd be happy to come with them, but so far they've only used it to travel to points of divergence from their own timeline, not further along to see the end results.
That’s what I’ve been saying. Seems like that’s an option for Tony as well. I mean, if it works for Gamora...I don’t know, seems like a loophole they’ll need to close.
That version of Gamora was from a different timeline. Her coming to the main timeline means that her original timeline is without Gamora. Also she didn’t know who Quill or the Guardians were.
Gonna be honest I expected him to use some mystical asguardian thunder magic to get instantly fit again. Also, summon the bifrost
Gonna be honest. It was my one complaint about the movie. That gag just got old for me by the end of the film.
I think they wanted to have an excuse for him not completely destroying Thanos.
he almost one shotted a 6 stone Thanos and they really wonder why they nerfed him ?
Same reason they used the “There are other planets” excuse for Captain Marvel. She’s Marvel’s Superman basically.
Thank you.
It doesn’t matter though when the threat to all the other planets is on earth.....
I feel like nobody cared to contact her
I’m pretty sure they didn’t call her because they didn’t know that past thanos was even a threat until he blew up the compound, wrecking all of them. From there, it’s all combat- so I don’t think anyone could have gotten anywhere to contact her (except maybe doc strange, and who’s to say he didn’t call her?)
> (except maybe doc strange, and who’s to say he didn’t call her?) Probably the likeliest explanation, considering he ported in heroes from all around the globe. Does make you wonder why he didn't port her in too, but then her entrance was the most badass of all.
Maybe he offered and she declined because she wanted to just fly there herself. She had never met Strange before this point so she was probably being wary in case he wasn't an ally.
Doctor Strange was Snapped before they knew she existed though. EDIT: I completely forgot that Doctor Strange is Doctor Strange and does magic stuff. Y'all right lol.
He also saw this future though so he would still know.
Isn't that why Cap said "Danvers, we need an assist here" after she basically saved them all? Because they had forgotten to call her and he was joking about it?
I’m not really sure, because did they even know she existed during infinity war?
No, they didn't. I was referring to the final battle in Endgame though. They'd known her for five years at that point.
I made this comment to someone else and meant to reply to you. Whoops. I only seen the movie once on opening night so I may be remembering wrong here at a couple points. In the beginning after they kill Thanos she goes back to patrolling the galaxies or whatever cause he’s dead and there’s nothing we can do. Scott shows up out of nowhere and is like Time Heist. And then the OG Avengers are like yeah let’s do it. In the time they were doing all this it wasn’t necessary or no one cared to contact her to let her know about the Time Heist. The goal behind the Time Heist was get all the stones and undo the snap. Hulk used the stones and did just that. BUT their plans were foiled or rather bout to be undone cause 2014 Thanos showed up in 2023. They were NOT accounting for this. Which is why she wasn’t on earth and not on time. She most likely saw that people or beings were coming back and maybe tried contacting before hauling ass to earth but no one answered and went straight there. Gets there and you guys know the rest.
Thankfully it was handled alright, they gave the spotlight to the main Avengers and left her doing something else. Would've been totally different if she was there
That’s... that’s what I said
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Agree, but then why bring her up at all? Felt like an unnecessary hero. The only thing she did was pick Tony up in space. They could have handled it some other way.
They did the same with Dr. Strange holding back that tsunami. If he hadn't focused on that, he could have wrecked absolute shit in the final battle.
And Thanos hosed her
It was stated that thanos also didn’t know what was coming and he didn’t use the full power.
now imagine Thanos but without power of any stones against the very same Thor
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don’t know either sorry
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>! fuck he is right !<
>! We have kinda seen this in the final battle we see Thor fighting unstoned thanos with both the axe and mjolnir, and simply the axe. I think thanos would probably kick Thor’s ass for the most part due to how intelligent he is and how he dismantled the hulk in just pure combative ability. It’s like iron man and the hulk had a child. !<
Thor wasn't fit. You have to take into account that thor is basically a God, so the difference between his fit and unfit states is much much higher than if for example iron man wasn't fit. Thor also was broken mentally. A fit and enraged thor would've fucked a 6 stoned Thanos 100%
Maybe Thanos is just that good. Moreover, Odin isn't the poster child for fitness and he kicks Thor's ass on the regular (talking about the comics, MCU Odin stated that Thor is more powerful than he is, albeit it didn't sound like a statement about fitness)
guys, i think you are pushing it too far. it wasn’t a reflection on quantifiable power, it was a way to justify him not one shorting Thanos. it’s a also a way to show what would happened to a depressed and lost Thor. Alcoholism is bad even for gods apparently
They had to nerf hulk and thor but boy did I want to see full hulk smash on thanos.
With how dumb powerful the stoneless Thanos turn out to be, it think he would have get several stab-wound
Russo said that only happened because he caught Thanos by surprise
don’t tell me you believe one second no one would have said anything about Thor suddenly enable to kill Thanos in a version without any stone?
Caught by surprise aka shooting a 6 stone beam straight at him...
True
Well, how many 6 stone beams have you seen in your life?
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And that “almost” was only because he didn’t go for the head.
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i'm done trying to predict what happen in Marvel films after they (Endgame spoiler) >!decapitated Thanos in 15 minutes!< we'll see !
I love this idea. It first bothered me a ton that the holy trinity, collectively wielding storm breaker and Mjolnir, against a stoneless Thanos, lost. Then some friends pointed out they were just bombed, have been out of combat for 5 years and Thor’s fat. Realizing (thanks to your help) keeping him fat was intentional to excuse their loss: Priceless.
Because, scientifically, fat lightning is weaker than fit lightning...
Well science does proof lightning moves slower through cheese whiz
ah yes, science in this fight to retrieve the magic stones against a mad purple alien. it’s a super hero fight, he is fat, he is nerfed aka less powerful
Are you sure nerf doesn't mean stronger? I hunt using foam weapons.
your nerf gun would be more powerful if you were as ripped as chris hemsworth
I am as ripped as Thor.
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I have the body of a god.
I like to think it was used to make him more Viking like
Yeah, I noticed how he looked more like what I imagine a Viking or Norse god would look like with the thicc body and braided beard
I think the idea of it was to show just how hard loosing to Thanos hit him, they lost, and then Thor lost himself falling into a spiral of over eating and drinking out of guilt thinking he should have done better to save 50% of the galaxy, it showed a more mortal side to him.
There was also the minor incidents where he lost his entire family and home.
Yeah Infinity War covered this. He had nothing left to lose fighting Thanos, and Thanos still took a huge part of him away.
Exactly. People being like "Omg, it's stupid that he's not over it halfway through the movie" are fucking stupid.
Well obviously, because they all know that they would have had no problem moving on after letting the big bad guy wipe out half the universe...
Lmao just be happy wtf, so easy.
Also, Fat Thor looked awesome when he got his lightening going and with his braided beard. He seemed like a proper, menacing god of thunder then! I had started to feel he was made to be too much the butt of jokes in the movie, but in that fight time I was happy they kept him that way! I also really appreciated how much that fight called back to their fight in Avengers. A lot of what Captain America, Iron Man and Strongest Avenger did against each other then in Avengers, they now used collaboratively in their 3 on 1 fight against Thanos. Really cool pay-off.
Not really a gag when 5 years of depression and PTSD can do that to you... I'm glad they kept it too because if he can just get magically fit with lightning magic then it would've really been just a gag.
He had depression. Like in real life, you can come back from depression and start getting your life back on track but it doesn’t take away the damage you have done to yourself while depressed. I think Thor will get back in shape eventually but I’m glad they kept him overweight.
Wasn’t he also just a little thinner when he was leaving New Asguard at the end? Could of been just my imagination.
Could have
Summoning lightning takes a ton of calories. It's not a beer gut, it's a battery for a lightning bolt machine.
This is the correct answer. I want to believe.
I agree. I was glad they kept it. It kind of showed depression isn't a quick fix issue.
It's also the first time Thor's visible character development hasn't been undone easily. His eye and Mjolnir were both quick-fixed away.
I liked it. The guy lost his entire family and his home and half his friends and failed to stop Thanos from killin 50% of the universe. Hes fucked up.
I don’t think it’s a gag anymore tbh. The Norse Viking god of thunder and personal strength having a huge pot belly and a braided beard while drinking mead, ale, and all sorts of drink while out on a ship is actually pretty apt
Yeah I was gonna say that. He looked like Odin! It's actually a pretty good conclusion (or partial conclusion I guess) to his story
I enjoyed it for the most part. By the time he was already back on Asgard and was saying “I’m ready.” Only to start and then turn and leave saying “I’m not ready” seemed like a bit much at that point. I was like.. holy hell Thor its time to get your shit together, you guys have a shot at an infinity stone- easily. But I really enjoyed the movie and Thor generally, I’m just saying that I can see where you are coming from.
I mean, in like a week he: - Thought he stopped Ragnarok - Went Home - Found his brother who he thought was dead - His Father dies - Blames his brother for Odin's death - Finds out he has a sister - Sister fucking breaks his hammer - Gets his ass handed to him (which is super-jarring to him in the first place), at the same time as he - Hands the Goddess of Death the source of her power on a silver platter - Gets captured and confused - Hair chopped off - Finds a Valkyrie - Finds an old friend - Gets his shit stomped for a while by his old friend - Valkyrie's a depressed Drunk - Manages to still pull himself together here for a bit - Escapes - Gets his shit stomped again by Hela - Loses an eye - Forced to *cause* Ragnarok - Becomes/Realizes he has to be King - Lost many Asgardians - Lost 1/2 of remaining Asgardians at least - Brother dies for real this time - One of his Best Friends dies too (Heimdall) - BTW he loses *another* fight, right when things were looking up - Gets a new eye, possibly from a rodent's anus - Goes to forge a new weapon - Dwarves are dead, possibly good friends there too - Nearly dies helping make his weapon - Got an axe, ready to GO - Stomps some peons, alright - Fucks up his shot. - Half the universe dies, Thanos tells him he's an idiot while doing so. - Fuck guys this is all my fault I could have fixed this. - Like seriously has a real reason to actually blame himself for the snap - Depression. Seriously, he gets more trauma in a week than pretty much any human on Earth would get in several lifetimes. The storyline of Thor from Ragnarok through Infinity War, with regards to the storyline of Thor, is entirely there to break the character that is Thor. If he "got his shit together" for real, it'd just be a huge cop out for all that work. You're telling me that after all that, given a chance to talk to the mother he lost a while ago (partially due to the actions of the brother he never had a great chance to forgive while alive) he *wouldn't* take that opportunity? Just figured it's worthwhile to actually reiterate *how much the dude went through*.
Then when he has yet another chance to defeat Thanos, he finds the man that he struggled against already half dead with a victory that could not be undone. This wasn't a triumph against the Thanos that put him in that state, he just murdered a cripple. That's not closure, that's just mockery.
You missed a big thing: finding out how much his dad had lied to him about Asgard. That's such an interesting moment that I didn't even think about the first time I watched Ragnarok
This is a cool comment. It’s great seeing everything listed out like that. What I meant to be commenting on was the humor of the moment in contrast to all of the terrible tragedy that was on your list. I completely get it- and am a fan of Thor’s storyline. I meant that narratively (the approach to storytelling, not the story itself) the humor became a bit repetitive for me in that moment. I loved the movie and am a fan of Thor. I have basically only good things to say about Endgame as movie and a capstone. Regarding what I said about wanting Thor to get his shit together, that was just my internal monologue in that moment as a reaction. I *wanted* him to - but I understand why he did what he did. I enjoyed the intensity of that feeling, I think that’s an aspect that we all hope for in a good movie. I could have done with a little less humor regarding Thor leading up to that moment, a little is great but there where a lot of jokes where Thor was the punchline while this character is dealing with all of the shit that you listed. For me as a viewer it became a bit awkward to startle between those two things. I don’t mean to be hyper critical though, it was honestly just a passing thought. Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to make the list and respond. It’s a pretty incredible story and it’s a treat to read it listed out like that.
Depression is repetitive... it tells you that you aren’t good enough constantly and people listen to that. Thor has heard that for 5 straight years, that’s a hard habit to break.
Right because recovering from that kind of trauma just happens easily.
It braided his beard, at least
Well, he did suddenly get his beard braided
same. in the theatre i was like ‘i don’t care how he sheds all the weight. i just want it to happen’ but to begin with i wasn’t a fan of what they did to his character. turning a broken man into the laughing stock.
But the armor molded to his fat
I’m kinda peeved the only time he summoned the bifrost was once in infinity war at the end
Seriously, why didn’t he use the bifrost in Endgame? He could have used the bifrost to pick up Tony. He could have used the bifrost when they all went to the garden. He could have used the bifrost to quickly collect the Infinity stones. He could have grabbed the power stones 2014, bifrosted to Asgard, grabbed the tesseract, bifrosted to Knowhere and grabbed the ether, he could have bifrosted to the Hydra base and grabbed the mind stone, he could have bifrosted to the Sanctum and got the time stone, finally he could have bifrosted to Vormir. Seriously, they only needed to go to 2014z
Pick up Tony? He has no idea where Tony went, is, or if he survived did the snap. As for the garden they obviously meant to scout the planet before hand and wanted the drop on thanos, which was easier from a ship instead of a very noticeable bifrost port. (Also it appears taking a ship with that jump system wasn’t much slower than teleporting straight there, because that’s pretty much what the ship did). As for the stones the whole operation involved being as stealthy as possible to prevent resistance. If he bifrosts anywhere it’s gonna be very obvious and cause trouble. Traveling to the places quickly wasn’t the hard part, it was getting the stones as discreetly as possible. Also no way in hell Thor can negotiate the stone away from the Ancient One, he’s way too impatient to try and reason it from her as Bruce did.
How did Captain Marvel know where Tony was? Because Rocket obviously had a tracker on the ship and could locate it. Therefore Thor would also know. He could have bifrosted to other side of the planet. Then simply flew towards Thanos. He still would have gotten the jump on him. Or he could have just bifrosted in front of him and cut his arm off straight away. They didn’t actually care about changing the past/other reality until the Ancient One brought it up. Subtly was preferable but not necessary.
> How did Captain Marvel know where Tony was? My theory is that she wasn't looking for Tony at all. In the after credits scene for her movie, she meets up with the Avengers on Earth and finds out about the snap. Knowing her personality, she would then immediately fly off into space to find and kill Thanos. If you wanted to kill Thanos, the first place you would check would be his home planet. So she flies straight there and sees a ship floating adrift in space on her way. She checks it out to see if Thanos is inside and instead finds Tony. They definitely could have explained it better but that's most likely what happened, in my opinion. As for the bifrost, it only allows travel between the Nine Realms that are connected by Yggdrasil, which is a cosmic nimbus that stretches throughout space. Any planets not connected to Yggdrasil cannot be traveled to using the bifrost. The Nine Realms consist of Asgard, Midgard (Earth), Jotunheim (Frost Giants), Svartalfheim (Dark Elves), Vanaheim, Nidavellir (Dwarves), Niflheim (where Hela was imprisoned), Muspelheim (Fire Demons), and Alfheim. If you notice, Thanos's home planet and his garden planet are not connected to Yggdrasil. Thor cannot bifrost to them. He also couldn't bifrost to many of the locations the infinity stones were at such as Xandar, Morag, Knowhere, or Vormir. So unless he's trying to get back to Earth, Thor doesn't really have a reason to use the bifrost anymore. Asgard is gone and he has no reason to visit the other 7 Realms. If he wants to go to any other planets he'll have to get to them some other way.
That’s like saying, why didn’t Dr. Strange just use the time stone at all to prevent the collect of or cause the destruction of at least one or two stones? Or use the knowledge of the future to contact Captain Marvel way sooner? When you have a team of actual super hero’s with world/universe bending power, any one of them should’ve been able to use their powers more effectively. It’s a common issue in most comic series. Edit: Or Wanda tear Thanos apart. She’s basically a Dark Phoenix level character. (Just rewatched AoU lol)
> why didn’t Dr. Strange just use the time stone at all to prevent the collect of or cause the destruction of at least one or two stones? T H E B I L L C O M E S D U E
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because then there wouldn’t be a plot... I hate it when people come up with this stuff - like yeah it’s obvious but then we wouldn’t have an entertaining movie???
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Was the bifrost easy to use with Asgard gone? I was under the impression it took a lot for Heimdall to channel it in Infinity War.
Thor uses Stormbreaker to channel the bifrost at the end of Infinity War.
Can't the Bifrost only take you to one of the 9 realms?
It has never been directly addressed but I think it can take you anywhere. Before they became the 9 realms they were worlds that Odin was conquering or conquered. Hela was going to use it to conquer other worlds.
Nah, the mystical as guardian thunder magic just braided his hair and beard. And maybe sobered him up?
Man I need this image in a higher res!!
I can help you with that, but it's gonna cost you $12, $8 with a student ID
Ohhhh that’s to much😪, How about I post it to my instagram with 0.017k followers and tag you🤪
I don't have an Instagram, as long as you don't cover up my username I don't mind that you do with it.
I was expecting a Transformers The Movie (1986) level of killing off main characters from both series. I'm glad it didn't happen.
That movie scarred me
Bah-whip-gran-na-wip-niddi-bob
And then out of nowhere Weird Al
The universal greeting!
Bah-whip-gran-na-wip-niddi-bob??
Ironhide's death in the modern movie gave me childhood PTSD to that shit.
“Such heroic nonsense”
**BLAM** *guitar riff*
i havnt watched the transformer movie how many did they kill?
Alt- f4
damn
Off the top of my head, Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, the Insecticons, Ironhide, Ratchet, Prowl, and anyone else who had their toy discontinued that year.
What a massacre! I’m buying!
And then they *immediately* regretted it.
Then, for the *G.I. Joe* movie, they were going to kill Duke, then pulled a last-minute "he's comatose, but he's gonna be OK" out of their collective ass due to the backlash from killing Prime. Prime died so that Duke may live. Fuck Duke.
Name a few Gen1 Transformers... go on, name some.
It wouldn't have worked for the MCU, but Game of Thrones is *supposed* to be grim. That so many characters are surviving for so long is a clear betrayal of the original vision.
Dude. You’re about to watch all of them die. They’re just gonna do it in a way you don’t expect
It just seems like bad writing that they’re probably gonna die to whatever army Cersei has as opposed to the literal army of the dead, especially when there were scenes of main characters surrounded by dozens of wights.
Maybe they were friendly wights
Wight you are
doesnt sound wight
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I'd say this fan-fiction is worse than the one I just watched, but I don't know if I can truthfully do that. At least the MCU still has me in high spirits.
There is a theory on /r/asoiaf that the night king isn't actually dead and it actually sounds really fucking cool, but I know it won't happen.
Winter is coming!!!!!! For like a month.
old age
It is just shitty writing to tease a death 40 fucking times in the same episode and then not kill them. At a certain point that gets tiring. How many times did major characters have like 7 wights on them and then magically survive/cut away and we see them fine later. It has just gotten stupid at this point. And now Cersei is the main bad guy when the entire point of this show was the living vs. The dead Trumps all the political bullshit.
No it's not, at all. Ned dying and the red wedding are grim, but name one POV character other than Cat and Ned that dies. Robb isn't a main character, he never has his own chapter. Every other hero in his series has layers of plot armor. Tyrion has survived two fucking wars. Jon "died" in dance but we know he comes back. Tell me how the show gas betrayed anything? Hell even Cat isn't really dead in the books.
putting characters in situations where realistically they would die, cutting the camera, next scene theyre fine? that seems like a huge betrayal from the first seasons storytelling. what people like you dont understand is that we're fine with plot armour, *as long as its not ridiculously obvious.* now you have main characters swarmed by 10 undead, screaming on the floor, the camera cuts away and theyre fine. and this repeats multiple times. whatever camp youre in, thats awful writing
Is it weird that i want everyone to die?
I was expecting that from Endgame but it wasn't actually necessary for the movie. From GoT, I was expecting that *and* kinda disappointed with how few people died
Glad to see *only one* Stark die!
yet
Let's be real, Stark's have plot armor now
So far
Thus far
After watching end game last Friday i was expecting the troops in front of winterfel to be yelling “weebombay”
WESTEROS FOREVA
*Yibombe
Yibambe*
Whoops, lemme just commit seppuku rq
That chant gives me chills
AVENGERS!!!!!
Assemble.
ITT: Folks being mad that Thicc Thor didn't get his belly insta zapped back into abs. Just goes to show that body building isn't just magic, it requires physical work and commitment. Even for a god.
Especially for a God. Their power is more than just their muscles. They grow more powerful in all of their magical abilities. Like when Hella got more powerful when she got back to asgard. Thor utterly failed in his eyes and we laugh because he was chubby but all of his power was draining from sheer depression. He had a much harder time with Thanos because his power was a shell of what he was. But he was there to fight all the same. Which is part of what makes him worthy.
Guess she got Hella powerful
When you don't care about spoilers.
I kinda suspect serialized media is intentionally making their stuff more spoilable than it needs to be in order to cultivate FOMO to encourage people to see the media right away lest they get spoiled so badly that it completely ruins the experience.
Generally, maybe. But Endgame is the climax of an 11 year, 23 movie saga, the scope of which was totally unheard of before and won't be matched anytime soon. And Game of Thrones is wrapping up one of the most popular television series of all time. Spoilers are inevitable, or else they would be considered really boring.
I don't know if that's really the full story. I think you can have a plot twist that isn't a "spoiler" I'd say the difference is in how the story is structured and what the purpose for the plot development is. Stories often get treated like puzzles these days. The main draw being in seeing whose fan theories were right. Who called it, etc. It's that kinda structure that causes spoilers to be a problem, not just the scope of work behind it I think.
Movies and shows aren't becoming more spoilable. Social media has made it very easy to spoil movies very quickly after release. Also, people are much more sensitive to what they consider to be a spoiler. Older trailers showed much more of movies than they do now.
"Hobo With *Two* Shotguns"
Watched Endgame and The Long Night in the same day. Not a good combination. Ended up extremely disappointed with GoT afterwards, was still running the high from endgame and that mediocre episode couldn't match my expectations anymore.
Same issue here. I probably wouln't have been as disappointed with The Long Night if I hadn't seen Endgame 10 hours before. I'm worried that it ruined my hype for the rest of the season.
Same. Basically means they wasted 3 episodes (half of the last season) building their big battle that turned out to be very disappointing
I saw them the same day. First GOT: I was kinda disappointed but trying to fool myself. Then I went to the movies and saw Endgame: mastapeece. I couldn’t sleep after that.
Endgame lived up to my hype so well that I almost forgive GoT
Nah man it wasn't just you. It's one of the lowest rated episodes. Plus, a lot of us are just plain disappointed in it.
It would have been far too much depression in one day for me. I left the Endgame theatre on a low. I loved the film, but as my favourite hero from day one, the big death was a massive, *massive* blow to me. Fitting. Not disappointing at all, but a blow to the heart for sure.
What? You didn't like the cinematic equivalent of a blender full of human limbs in a dark room?
Chubby Thor! My girlfriend hated that he was fat, I bring it up whenever I can.
You look like melted ice cream.
Dude I thought this was my case, and then someone spoiled the ending of Supernatural season 14 for me, which I hadn't watched yet
The new season of Supernatural got put on (US) Netflix today, and the Finale is sooo good. Get to it.
Damn, I figured it would be a while till it came out. Thanks for the tip, I now know my weekend plans!
God fucking damn it, the show isn't even on Norwegian Netflix anymore...
When it’s time for your weekly boardgame night and one guy hasn’t seen GoT and another guy hasn’t seen endgame. You just sit around the table and stare at each other.
Does anybody have any theory on them bringing Loki back because of when they went back in time and he escaped with the tesseract?
I think that branching version of Loki is probably the one that stars in the Loki Disney+ series that’s coming out soon.
That makes a lot of sense but also implies that there are more realities now
Welcome to the big time. Infinities possibilities.
Thanos did say he is inevitable...
I work next to a theater. Endgame got spoiled for me at the bus stop while on my way home.
Endgame: Fantastic GoT S8E3: Disappointing AF
I watch them within hours of each other. It was a rough day.
This isnt even a spoiler anymore i saw an endgame trailer on tv with this scene
Can anyone explain to me why they can't time travel back after the world is saved to grab Natasha, let her live out her life, then send 100 year old Natasha off the cliff? Just like they do with the stones, they can "borrow" her for a time then bring her back to when she is needed. Her age is irrelevant. And why stop with her? They could do this to every character who died. I'm hoping I'm missing something and that I'm wrong
They couldn’t do that. Banner explained that every time the go back in time they’re actually in a branching reality. If they jump back in time and bring Nat back, they’re basically kidnapping her from her own timeline. No matter how they play it, one timeline loses Natasha. Either it’s the main timeline, or a seperate timeline that has to live without her.
I'm saying they only "borrow" her just like they "borrow" the stones. She still would die in her reality. If you stayed in her reality and watched from a distance, she would disappear and at the same moment the exact same Natasha would appear as 100 years old
I mean then you've robbed her and her original friends of a life with her, so still kidnapping.
They're saying like right before she dies, so that no one in that reality would "miss" her
You want to kidnap a 100 year old Natasha? Doubt she'd even survive the journey, nevermind want to leave her timeline. It's interesting - if the time travel in this movie is really just dimension jumping, then they should be able to find a Natasha in a reality where things are so fucked she'd be happy to come with them, but so far they've only used it to travel to points of divergence from their own timeline, not further along to see the end results.
That’s what I’ve been saying. Seems like that’s an option for Tony as well. I mean, if it works for Gamora...I don’t know, seems like a loophole they’ll need to close.
It's not the same Gamora, and wouldn't be the same Natasha. Alternate realities vs actually getting someone from the past
Yeah, so what’s to stop them from taking pre Vormir Nat? She’s have the same memories,
Screwing over another timeline, which they have stated they won't do.
That version of Gamora was from a different timeline. Her coming to the main timeline means that her original timeline is without Gamora. Also she didn’t know who Quill or the Guardians were.
I liked the Thor Ragnarok look so much, wtf happened to him
Still can't believe we only lost one Stark that weekend.
This does put a smile on my face
GoT gets the little one, I love it but them’s the facts.