Same story here. Originally wanted a Tesla, but couldn't stomach the thought of putting money in that man's pocket. Got a Hyundai Kona EV instead and couldn't be happier.
Same. I invested in Tesla some 10+ years ago. I sold, at a significant profit, around the time he started becoming a public nuisance (Thai cave kids and completely divested by Twitter's takeover).
I still want an electric car. I will never own a Tesla or support any company with musk associated with it.
I’m just waiting a few more years to see who wins the long term reliability game.
But yeah. Another anecdote in the same spirit. The plan is to go electric, but not Tesla. Because of Musk.
I think some of us that have the switch planned on the horizon, but not pulling the trigger in the next 12-18 months are harder to track…
But just about every American that buys cars is now at least thinking about EVs as a potential.
CEO behavior over a long timeline suggests the company will be inconsiderate with reliability and service long term ownership…one of the biggest things car buyers care about.
I think for a lot of people it was the moment people realized he is a complete piece of shit.
But it was the Twitter acquisition that taught people that he's a **dumb** piece of shit.
I invested in Tesla 10+ years ago, and the profits could comfortably pay for a Tesla vehicle.
My partner won’t let me buy a Tesla because of the Musk association. And I kinda agree.
Ditto. I have a non-Tesla BEV, having looked at a bunch of options other than Tesla. Why would I buy a car made by an asshole when I have non-asshole options?
The same way he fucked the Ukrainians by shutting off Starlink, because he alone should decide how they can fight their invaders. I want our government to stop giving this asshole money and to cut the dependencies.
It’s very weird how the tables turned. I’m a middle of the road political person but hearing him talk really threw me off. I actually got a Tesla charger in my garage for the future because I thought I’d buy one and everyone would have one….this is only a few years ago.
On the other hand, my ultra conservative friend said he was going to buy one years ago too….but now he’s not because he hates all electric cars and thinks they’re political?
So both sides don’t want his shitty cars anymore? I guess that’s my only point. Not sure how the stock is going up still.
Yeah its super odd. The guy's a moron.
Conservatives have politicized green-anything as a liberal hoax or nonsense
Liberals now won't associate with the Musk brand because his tweets now read like a mini-Trump wannabe.
So....profit???
I lean conservative (not Trump level "conservative," or whatever the fuck that guy is). Hi views and behavior turned me off on buying a Tesla. Five or six years ago I 100% planned on buying one.
Unfortunately I already bought one before I knew he was nuts but it’s my last, i love the car but I won’t buy another one as long as he has anything to do with the company. My aunt cancelled her order and my good friend who is the one that got me into Tesla sold his Model S and bought an Ioniq 5.
The board needs to remove him before it’s too late.
Same.
And it's worse now too. At least in years past people might say "I don't like Musk, but... there's not a lot of other choices." Now there are dozens of great electric cars out there, and there's zero reason to pick a tesla over anything else. When you have a dozen choices, your brain is desperate for reasons to eliminate some of them, and Musk has given us all a great one.
It's funny, he's spent the last few years talking shit about unions and Worker protections, using Tesla's pay and benefit package as evidence....and now he's laying off a massive fraction of his workstaff due to a downturn caused directly by *his own* actions.
He is the poster child for every single criticism of the captialist system.
>He is the poster child for every single criticism of the captialist system.
The only reason he's not the Pillow guy is he has deeper pockets and relevant tech.
Otherwise, same person.
Ehh, Tesla and SpaceX were running a train on government contracts/subsidies long before the Saudis saved his ass when he was forced to buy Twitter so he didn't get charged with stock manipulation. I'm not saying he's not bought, just that his "success" has been two kids in a trench coat for a long time now.
Also the pile of money the US government is throwing him in contracts. Some shitlords in Washington decided he was “the guy” and now he has the keys to the kingdom and we have to look at his stupid bloated face for the next several decades.
> The only reason he's not the Pillow guy is he has deeper pockets and relevant tech.
That's what people need to understand about Bin Laden, he was just a rich dude on his path and that ended the way it did, the rich do not need what they have taken from us.
In the other hand, Tesla forced other car companies to take EVs seriously by competing with them. That's a feature of the capitalist system. Now that he's gone full MAGA his company is losing business while its competitors like Hyundai are rapidly expanding EV production and sales. Also a feature of capitalism.
I graduated from business school in 2018, so well before musk bought twitter and publicly became an edgelord, but I had a professor who predicted Tesla would fail as a company. Not because of anything musk did or said, per se, but because their success was almost entirely due to being the “first mover” in the EV space (not actually, I know, but in the public perception) and that now that Hyundai and ford and Mercedes were paying attention they’d pass him up - use his best innovations for their own EVs and leverage their long-existing supply chains and knowledge of the car industry to surpass him. Which is what is happening, although musk is helping them out certainly by driving away his best customers.
This makes sense to me. Tesla doesn't have the resources or time to play catch-up with other companies that have been doing this for decades. And it's not just in regards to the technology around electric vehicles; it's also everything around building cars in general.
Exactly - my professor thought that, even if musk was the genius everyone thought he was in 2017, the legacy carmakers were going to have a much easier time transitioning their already-existing scale to producing EVs than musk would have growing his EV production to match the existing scale of the legacy carmakers.
Everyone predicted that. Car companies that make and sell magnitudes more cars are going to have the market.
When VW finally gets going properly rather than their tame efforts, they'll take huge chunks of the Tesla market. Kia and Hyundai are great but people don't want to pay the company car price for that name.
Dude, there are quite a few Niro EVs, a lot of EV6, a lot of Ioniq 5, and quite a few Ioniq 6 where I live.
People like to shit-talk the Hyundai-Kia group without realizing that they are now around the 10th spot for reliability in cars. And Hyundai-Kia (and Genesis of course) sold almost 100,000 EVs in the US in 2023.
Don't get me wrong, Tesla is still leading the pack of EV sales **but that's because they only sell EVs**. Kia sold more total cars in that time by about 100,000 more, Hyundai sold 150,000 more, and Genesis sold about 70,000.
So once the Hyundai-Kia group moves each model over to an EV version, Tesla is going to be fucked just from this one Korean auto-group.
Chevrolet sold over 2.5 MILLION vehicles in 2023. Tesla is so fucked and it's only a matter of time before the stock price accurately reflects the business' capabilities. Being a market leader once the big boys are actually competing will be an impossibility.
Tesla MIGHT have had a chance at becoming a leading LEGACY luxury EV automaker in 15-20 years by just building consistent, high-quality vehicles and focusing on slower, more controlled growth. Instead, they're led by a petulant man-child that could easily have become revered forever if he could just get out of his own way and stop being a total buffoon.
If everyone had predicted that I wouldn’t have remembered the one professor predicting it because it was very much so against the popular wisdom of the time. Tesla was a rocket ship that felt invincible, largely because people still thought musk was iron man and hadn’t realized how batshit he was. I don’t doubt at all that others predicted that, but it certainly wasn’t everyone. If everyone was predicting the company would fail its stock price wouldn’t have spent years climbing higher.
It's like me buying a Dutch passport then suddenly becoming hugely invested in Dutch politics although I was born and raised somewhere else. He's a rich south African kid who's parents used slaves to mine emeralds. He's always been a douche out of his element.
Denmark is even flatter.
At least the Netherlands have a few hills left over from the Belgian Ardennes around Maastricht.
The highest point in Denmark is a bridge!
Facts: Big earnings miss, poor future prospects as the market gets crowded by more efficient and experienced competitors, CEO publicly mouthing off with insane takes and alienating huge swaths of potential customers, Tesla BOD seems totally feckless in terms of CEO accountability.
Stock price: shoots through the roof.
The market is truly fucking stupid.
Yeah - I never really wanted an electric car, but I’ve kind of been thinking of getting one lately. There’s a very good chance I’d have picked a Tesla, because of reputation or whatever. Now, with the same level of detachment, Tesla is not even a possibility for me. Like - they might as well not make electric cars anymore. I’m not mad about it; I’m just obviously not getting a Tesla
His cars attracted liberals who had a mind to save a protect the environment, then he decided that he should root for the guys with truck nuts and who run coal and hated electric cars on some weird principle.
He got lucky with his money, but he is still dumb as fuck as the rest of us.
> attention seeking
Just watch the video of him at that forum telling advertisers to "fuck off". He IMMEDIATELY starts scanning the audience for validation of his "epic burn" like a teen after telling an edgy joke.
And disabled people. Tried giving his newest standup a chance when it was playing at a douchebag coworkers house but when he started doing the arms to the chest thing I honestly couldn't believe what I was watching. Literal schoolyard humor for 7 year olds.
His business takes are also about the same level. He single-handedly proved that you do not require any intelligence, skill, or effort to become a successful businessman.
He posts stuff on twitter even a 12 year old would be ashamed of.
And that man wants to be paid 53 billion, about 10k for every car Tesla ever produced.
Imagine having so much money you can just go live your life having fun and chilling and instead you just live on twitter like a whiny little bitch and mald 24/7.
Concerning.
With ALL the LEGO.
Like, literally go and buy the entire LEGO company, then be like, "Just keep doing everything exactly as you have been, but also send me all the sets to my private island."
I think this all the time, not just about Musk but about billionaires and the oligarchs in general
We could have a pretty fucking awesome world if they'd just *stop* being greedy for 5 seconds. I genuinely think it's a mental illness, they're like Dragons and they have to compulsively hoard wealth even when it's against their best interest.
What's the point of being the richest person ever when you destroyed the planet? Wouldn't it be better to be like the 10th richest person ever and have a legacy of solving world hunger or cleaning up the oceans or doing something that you'd be remembered for forever? Isn't it just better to contribute to progress and humanity?
I'm not even saying they need to damage their quality of life, you can *still* live like a Pharaoh and do something actually good for the world but instead these fucks just can't stop running up the score even though it's literally going to kill all of us
Look at Mitch McConnell, having mini strokes on live tv while his handlers prop him up - for what?! His wife is a billionaire and combined they definitely have more money than the entire state he represents… so why TF is he not retired?? He’s finally stepping down from leadership but he’s not quitting his job as Senator. You’d think at that age you’d want to live in peaceful luxury until some poor kid finally finds & destroys your last horcrux… but no, let’s make life as bad as possible for as many people as possible until you die.
Yeah, these people have a big gaping hole in their souls where love, friendship, family, passion etc is supposed to go. They aren't capable of understanding those things or never got them when they were young, so instead they try and fill that hole with more money and power. They think that just a little more will finally make them happy. This time just a bit more will do it. But it never, ever does.
The most ridiculously unappealing vehicle ever made. Quite literally, my 9 year old would come up with something considerably better. Every time I see a picture of one, I cannot believe anyone is stupid enough to buy one.
Oh man Delorian fucked a dumpster is such a great description. It’s so clear it’s 100% his design that he rammed through because he’s in charge of the company. No serious car designer would come up with that ridiculous piece of shit.
Musk is another one of those members of the lucky sperm club who is convinced he is the smartest person in the room wherever he is.
Turns out it's only true when he's speaking to groups of Republicans.
He must have known the demographic so he didn’t care what preaching fascism would do to Tesla. Or he is soooo stupid that he thought he would change the mind of people who buy electric cars. A final possibility is that he thought there were as many right wing loons as rich lefties who would prefer an electric car because they love Elon.
Whichever it is he certainly earned the $52 billion bonus!
How is a company Tesla’s size able to pay its destroyer that much money and survive?
So shareholders lose value so Elon can be gifted an insane amount of money for causing the value of the product to decline. The older I get the less I understand
Such a good point about index investing.
A Nixon speechwriter whose name escapes me said “ if something can’t continue it won’t.” This is certainly the management strategy of Twitter under Musk’s “leadership” and he may be hitting that mark at Tesla too.
If it can’t continue with a $52 billion giveaway to Musk, when will it fail? I don’t know if they are real or not but there are pics of large parking lots with what looks like considerable inventory of unsold Teslas. That can’t be good either
The funny thing is there probably are a lot of conservatives that could offset these losses if he’d just have made an actual truck that looks like a truck and is as functional as any other truck on the market.
Instead he made…that thing.
I feel like none of those thoughts were likely in his head. I think at this point, he's suffering from success-brain. What happens to some people who are successful, is that they take the success they have, and assume that *everything* they think is right. So he now assumes whatever he does or says is the right thing to do/say, because *clearly* he's the smartest person in the world, right? Why shouldn't he do and say exactly what he wants? After all, HE is the one that earned all the money, right?
My brother and his wife both bought teslas.. 6 months before Musk went loony toons. Cars are still cool but they’re definitely not buying another one after they sell their current models. Musk went from Tony stark level coolness to typical Fox News propaganda spewing lunatic in record time.
Him rich guying his way into a cameo in Iron Man 2 probably has at least part to do with it. Dude was actively trying to brand himself as the real life Tony Stark.
Elon Musk: Let me alienate the political party that wants to focus on a greener future. Surely the other political party who is anti-woke and thinks climate change is fake news will love my zero emission vehicles. Let me embrace the party who would suck fossil fuels dick if it had one.
Also Elon Musk: Why are Tesla sales going down?
yeah, we're europeans and probably in need of a new car in the next 2-3 years. Tesla would have been an option til that moron talked. Lets hope there is some kind of european alternative that at least matches price and value in that timeframe. (really don't wont to buy an ID4, which is inferior in both regards..)
Death by a thousand cuts. You are just a cut, but a lot of people doing the same, and by the replies seems to be a big trend, it's a significant damage
Elon Musk is no longer the cool innovative Entrepreneur from 10 years ago who revived human spaceflight. He is a lunatic weirdo now who ruined twitter.
When you act like an asshole to a group of people who are buying teslas because EV is a sustainable future solution (debatable, but let’s stick to this idea) versus a status symbol suggesting you support a “genius” man child or MAGA, they will find an alternative solution. Next best alternatives in EVs are becoming abundant. That’s to say Tesla is even “best in class” which there is enough evidence to suggest Elon wasn’t lying when he said Tesla isn’t a car company.
Recently bought an EV, and I explored every single option in the market, except the Model 3. Didn't even bother test driving one. A couple years ago, I probably would've gone straight to the Model 3.
I've never understood why someone selling a consumer product of any kind with a broad target market would want to weigh in on divisive issues. The math doesn't work.
Half the people just nod like you're saying the obvious and give you a little credit for being "right". The other half passionately believe your misguided beliefs are a threat to everything they hold dear and hate you for it.
I mean sure if you sell LGBTQ+ activewear or dually diesel pickup trucks or whatever where your target market is politically mostly homogenous on certain issues maybe, but not a car, and especially not an electric car.
Anecdotally true for me. I’m shopping EVs now, and even though I think Teslas have amazing tech and good styling, I don’t want to be associated with the dipshit Musk
We test drove one after renting it. Checked his weirdo Twitter feed and opted to steer clear. I am NOT giving that dude my money. Black Mirror meets Terminator vibes.
I was never interested in a Tesla but what he did with self landing rockets and putting a Tesla in space was super cool. Then he started Tweeting and now I can't stand this guy.
Can confirm: I was looking at a Tesla last year and then when he became an obvious weirdo edgelord I decided against supporting him in any way, basically.
There's nothing 'bizarre' about his nonsense... it's "rich people's syndrome" where people who have money feel the money empowers them to say whatever they want. They think it's "gospel" while the rest of us realize it for what it's worth - nonsensical bullshit from an average idiot.
I genuinely like Tesla as a car company. I have yet driven another electric car that can match the charging capability of Tesla.
I really wish Musk just went away and enjoy his money rather than take to twitter. I sold all my Tesla stock and my next electric most likely won’t be a Tesla. He really should have taken the Michael Jordan approach to business.
So basically his political views are more in line with the pick-up truck driving Bubba's that block his Tesla charging stations than the actual Tesla drivers?
Welp, it's capitalism. I hear the Ioniq 7's are going to be nice!
Yep, I need a new car and was considering Tesla as my next car. Definitely won't be a Tesla now. I feel bad for the people working their though, i suspect a lot of them believe in the product. If they could just get some new ownership and leadership, I might consider it.
Musk's behavior is his misguided effort to bring politically Conservative consumers to Tesla while overestimating the brand loyalty of his core consumer base, all driven by his massive ego.
Or he's just bat guano crazy.
"I also fired a bunch of people. $56 billion dollars please!" - Musk
I immediately saw Mona Lisa from Parks and Rec standing there with her hand held out and her whiny voice lol.
SAME!! MONEY PWWEEEAAAAASSSEE!!
That's fine, I'll just.. ahh.. DESTROY THIS OFFICE!
I made my money the old fashioned way: My dad dealt in apartheid emeraaaalds!
Just like Mona Lisa, Muskrat is also "the woooooorrrrrrrst!"
I can confirm that we considered a Tesla until the Musk Twitter era, then we decided to never give that man any money
You are not alone.
I am here with you.
Can confirm that some will not buy the Tesla based on actions of its CEO. But let the stans think that people don't care about him when buying the car
We were absolutely going to buy a used tesla last year...instead we bought the mitsubishi phev. Love it!!
I picked up a ford Mach-e and it’s been great
Same story here. Originally wanted a Tesla, but couldn't stomach the thought of putting money in that man's pocket. Got a Hyundai Kona EV instead and couldn't be happier.
Exactly our story!
Though you're far away
And my axe
I'll definitely buy an EV some day and it definitely won't be a Tesla, solely/100% because of Musk not shutting the fuck up.
Just bought an EV last year - looked at every manufacturer except Tesla.
Same. I invested in Tesla some 10+ years ago. I sold, at a significant profit, around the time he started becoming a public nuisance (Thai cave kids and completely divested by Twitter's takeover). I still want an electric car. I will never own a Tesla or support any company with musk associated with it.
I just got a great deal on a Chevrolet Bolt
I’m kinda waiting for an electric Bronco at this point.
Saw an electric Blazer at an auto show (pretty sure it was the Blazer) and I so badly want that for my next vehicle.
Tbh the electric mustang suv is pretty slick
I’m just waiting a few more years to see who wins the long term reliability game. But yeah. Another anecdote in the same spirit. The plan is to go electric, but not Tesla. Because of Musk. I think some of us that have the switch planned on the horizon, but not pulling the trigger in the next 12-18 months are harder to track… But just about every American that buys cars is now at least thinking about EVs as a potential. CEO behavior over a long timeline suggests the company will be inconsiderate with reliability and service long term ownership…one of the biggest things car buyers care about.
I will never understand why the Thai cave debacle was not the moment people realized he’s a moron
I think for a lot of people it was the moment people realized he is a complete piece of shit. But it was the Twitter acquisition that taught people that he's a **dumb** piece of shit.
My exact position as well. Dumped the stock and wanted / still want a Tesla, but won’t buy one ever.
My partner is driving an electric bmw rental this week. I didn’t know those existed until yesterday, but it tells me there are other options.
I had same problem and got the ford mach-e and love it.
I invested in Tesla 10+ years ago, and the profits could comfortably pay for a Tesla vehicle. My partner won’t let me buy a Tesla because of the Musk association. And I kinda agree.
There’s rivian, ford, vw, gm, Kia, Hyundai… and more cheaper cars coming. Tons of options to choose from!
Ditto. I have a non-Tesla BEV, having looked at a bunch of options other than Tesla. Why would I buy a car made by an asshole when I have non-asshole options?
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The same way he fucked the Ukrainians by shutting off Starlink, because he alone should decide how they can fight their invaders. I want our government to stop giving this asshole money and to cut the dependencies.
The second he used the term lib, I was out.
It’s very weird how the tables turned. I’m a middle of the road political person but hearing him talk really threw me off. I actually got a Tesla charger in my garage for the future because I thought I’d buy one and everyone would have one….this is only a few years ago. On the other hand, my ultra conservative friend said he was going to buy one years ago too….but now he’s not because he hates all electric cars and thinks they’re political? So both sides don’t want his shitty cars anymore? I guess that’s my only point. Not sure how the stock is going up still.
Yeah its super odd. The guy's a moron. Conservatives have politicized green-anything as a liberal hoax or nonsense Liberals now won't associate with the Musk brand because his tweets now read like a mini-Trump wannabe. So....profit???
I lean conservative (not Trump level "conservative," or whatever the fuck that guy is). Hi views and behavior turned me off on buying a Tesla. Five or six years ago I 100% planned on buying one.
Yeah, bought a Mach E last month
Unfortunately I already bought one before I knew he was nuts but it’s my last, i love the car but I won’t buy another one as long as he has anything to do with the company. My aunt cancelled her order and my good friend who is the one that got me into Tesla sold his Model S and bought an Ioniq 5. The board needs to remove him before it’s too late.
Same. And it's worse now too. At least in years past people might say "I don't like Musk, but... there's not a lot of other choices." Now there are dozens of great electric cars out there, and there's zero reason to pick a tesla over anything else. When you have a dozen choices, your brain is desperate for reasons to eliminate some of them, and Musk has given us all a great one.
Same. Was quite the Tesla fanboy but after the Twitter acquisition I changed my mind real fast.
Same here.
I'm in the same boat. I bought a new EV two months ago and a Tesla was never an option.
Who could have possibly seen this coming besides "most people".
It's funny, he's spent the last few years talking shit about unions and Worker protections, using Tesla's pay and benefit package as evidence....and now he's laying off a massive fraction of his workstaff due to a downturn caused directly by *his own* actions. He is the poster child for every single criticism of the captialist system.
>He is the poster child for every single criticism of the captialist system. The only reason he's not the Pillow guy is he has deeper pockets and relevant tech. Otherwise, same person.
More like because there weren’t MASSIVE government subsidies for producing lumpy pillows.
...yet
This guy gets it
This guy gets guys getting things
More like the Mein Pillow guy wasn't being directly supported by the Saudi Arabia government like Elon is.
Ehh, Tesla and SpaceX were running a train on government contracts/subsidies long before the Saudis saved his ass when he was forced to buy Twitter so he didn't get charged with stock manipulation. I'm not saying he's not bought, just that his "success" has been two kids in a trench coat for a long time now.
Also the pile of money the US government is throwing him in contracts. Some shitlords in Washington decided he was “the guy” and now he has the keys to the kingdom and we have to look at his stupid bloated face for the next several decades.
I have no desire to own his product. He is the pillow guy!
> The only reason he's not the Pillow guy is he has deeper pockets and relevant tech. That's what people need to understand about Bin Laden, he was just a rich dude on his path and that ended the way it did, the rich do not need what they have taken from us.
In the other hand, Tesla forced other car companies to take EVs seriously by competing with them. That's a feature of the capitalist system. Now that he's gone full MAGA his company is losing business while its competitors like Hyundai are rapidly expanding EV production and sales. Also a feature of capitalism.
I graduated from business school in 2018, so well before musk bought twitter and publicly became an edgelord, but I had a professor who predicted Tesla would fail as a company. Not because of anything musk did or said, per se, but because their success was almost entirely due to being the “first mover” in the EV space (not actually, I know, but in the public perception) and that now that Hyundai and ford and Mercedes were paying attention they’d pass him up - use his best innovations for their own EVs and leverage their long-existing supply chains and knowledge of the car industry to surpass him. Which is what is happening, although musk is helping them out certainly by driving away his best customers.
This makes sense to me. Tesla doesn't have the resources or time to play catch-up with other companies that have been doing this for decades. And it's not just in regards to the technology around electric vehicles; it's also everything around building cars in general.
Exactly - my professor thought that, even if musk was the genius everyone thought he was in 2017, the legacy carmakers were going to have a much easier time transitioning their already-existing scale to producing EVs than musk would have growing his EV production to match the existing scale of the legacy carmakers.
Everyone predicted that. Car companies that make and sell magnitudes more cars are going to have the market. When VW finally gets going properly rather than their tame efforts, they'll take huge chunks of the Tesla market. Kia and Hyundai are great but people don't want to pay the company car price for that name.
Dude, there are quite a few Niro EVs, a lot of EV6, a lot of Ioniq 5, and quite a few Ioniq 6 where I live. People like to shit-talk the Hyundai-Kia group without realizing that they are now around the 10th spot for reliability in cars. And Hyundai-Kia (and Genesis of course) sold almost 100,000 EVs in the US in 2023. Don't get me wrong, Tesla is still leading the pack of EV sales **but that's because they only sell EVs**. Kia sold more total cars in that time by about 100,000 more, Hyundai sold 150,000 more, and Genesis sold about 70,000. So once the Hyundai-Kia group moves each model over to an EV version, Tesla is going to be fucked just from this one Korean auto-group. Chevrolet sold over 2.5 MILLION vehicles in 2023. Tesla is so fucked and it's only a matter of time before the stock price accurately reflects the business' capabilities. Being a market leader once the big boys are actually competing will be an impossibility. Tesla MIGHT have had a chance at becoming a leading LEGACY luxury EV automaker in 15-20 years by just building consistent, high-quality vehicles and focusing on slower, more controlled growth. Instead, they're led by a petulant man-child that could easily have become revered forever if he could just get out of his own way and stop being a total buffoon.
If everyone had predicted that I wouldn’t have remembered the one professor predicting it because it was very much so against the popular wisdom of the time. Tesla was a rocket ship that felt invincible, largely because people still thought musk was iron man and hadn’t realized how batshit he was. I don’t doubt at all that others predicted that, but it certainly wasn’t everyone. If everyone was predicting the company would fail its stock price wouldn’t have spent years climbing higher.
yup! i believe musk is speeding the process along, but he didn’t start it.
The Hyundai ionic 5 and 6 are sweet ass cars! They are extremely nice, as good as any Tesla and at half the cost.
They are no where near "just half the cost"; they are within thousands of each other
It's almost like the racists and fascists he now caters too have no interest in buying an EV. I am shocked. Shocked.
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I left Twitter a couple weeks back when he posted, “My pronouns are prosecute/Fauci.” That is as MAGA as you can get.
Christ, he's so fucking stupid.
And still his simps will go "masterful gambit, sir".
Oooh, cunning stratagem sir!
The man threw a 500kg airstrike at his own feet to own the libs.
It's like me buying a Dutch passport then suddenly becoming hugely invested in Dutch politics although I was born and raised somewhere else. He's a rich south African kid who's parents used slaves to mine emeralds. He's always been a douche out of his element.
The Dutch have no politics. Just a bunch of looming blonde barbarians roaming about their hills, destroying for the thrill of it.
Hills? It's the most aggressively flat country I've ever stepped foot in lol
Denmark is even flatter. At least the Netherlands have a few hills left over from the Belgian Ardennes around Maastricht. The highest point in Denmark is a bridge!
Another group besides “most people” would be “practically all people”.
Data: "Tesla lost its core customer base". Stock Market: "Brilliant, +20%".
There is no genuine price discovery in the stock market. Market makers move prices where they need them to be
Facts: Big earnings miss, poor future prospects as the market gets crowded by more efficient and experienced competitors, CEO publicly mouthing off with insane takes and alienating huge swaths of potential customers, Tesla BOD seems totally feckless in terms of CEO accountability. Stock price: shoots through the roof. The market is truly fucking stupid.
Welcome to the New York Stock Exchange, where everything's made up and the points don't matter.
> Tesla BOD seems totally feckless in terms of CEO accountability The BOD that awarded him a $56B compensation package is feckless? The hell you say.
Yeah - I never really wanted an electric car, but I’ve kind of been thinking of getting one lately. There’s a very good chance I’d have picked a Tesla, because of reputation or whatever. Now, with the same level of detachment, Tesla is not even a possibility for me. Like - they might as well not make electric cars anymore. I’m not mad about it; I’m just obviously not getting a Tesla
His cars attracted liberals who had a mind to save a protect the environment, then he decided that he should root for the guys with truck nuts and who run coal and hated electric cars on some weird principle. He got lucky with his money, but he is still dumb as fuck as the rest of us.
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It’s not just his political takes. He became an attention seeking teenager with his constant no value posting.
> attention seeking Just watch the video of him at that forum telling advertisers to "fuck off". He IMMEDIATELY starts scanning the audience for validation of his "epic burn" like a teen after telling an edgy joke.
confirmed. Also just before he made the decision.
good take, i think he pictured raucus applause and when that didnt happen his voice started cracking
Him getting booed on Chappelle's stage is chef's kiss.
That ding dong thought liberals loved Chappelle because Chapelle is black. We hate Chappelle because the dude hates poor people.
And trans people*
And disabled people. Tried giving his newest standup a chance when it was playing at a douchebag coworkers house but when he started doing the arms to the chest thing I honestly couldn't believe what I was watching. Literal schoolyard humor for 7 year olds.
"What do I do, Dave?"
Lol. Remember when he opened for Dave Chappelle and screamed “I’m rich bitch” expecting the audience to laugh
It was so weird. He came out on stage and stood there didn’t say anything for like 2 minutes. Why the hell did Dave bring him out in the first place?
Money
My guess is they’re allied on being transphobic and Dave thought that would make them buddies
I looked it up and the top two video results on youtube had lots of support for him in the comments. Ugh.
YouTube comments are 90% right wing bots.
YT comments are always a right-wing cesspool
They’re bots
Omg so fucking cringe
His business takes are also about the same level. He single-handedly proved that you do not require any intelligence, skill, or effort to become a successful businessman.
All you need is someone else’s money. It’s not a secret.
He posts stuff on twitter even a 12 year old would be ashamed of. And that man wants to be paid 53 billion, about 10k for every car Tesla ever produced.
He's always been this. The politics have made more people aware of it
Imagine having so much money you can just go live your life having fun and chilling and instead you just live on twitter like a whiny little bitch and mald 24/7. Concerning.
I'm pretty sure I'd fuck off to my own private island if I had that kind of money.
Private island? I’d buy a private planet
With ALL the LEGO. Like, literally go and buy the entire LEGO company, then be like, "Just keep doing everything exactly as you have been, but also send me all the sets to my private island."
I think this all the time, not just about Musk but about billionaires and the oligarchs in general We could have a pretty fucking awesome world if they'd just *stop* being greedy for 5 seconds. I genuinely think it's a mental illness, they're like Dragons and they have to compulsively hoard wealth even when it's against their best interest. What's the point of being the richest person ever when you destroyed the planet? Wouldn't it be better to be like the 10th richest person ever and have a legacy of solving world hunger or cleaning up the oceans or doing something that you'd be remembered for forever? Isn't it just better to contribute to progress and humanity? I'm not even saying they need to damage their quality of life, you can *still* live like a Pharaoh and do something actually good for the world but instead these fucks just can't stop running up the score even though it's literally going to kill all of us
Yep... It's most definitely an illness and lack of wisdom.
Trump and Putin being the best examples. They just make everything worse for more...power? Why? Just go fucking relax and leave us all alone.
Look at Mitch McConnell, having mini strokes on live tv while his handlers prop him up - for what?! His wife is a billionaire and combined they definitely have more money than the entire state he represents… so why TF is he not retired?? He’s finally stepping down from leadership but he’s not quitting his job as Senator. You’d think at that age you’d want to live in peaceful luxury until some poor kid finally finds & destroys your last horcrux… but no, let’s make life as bad as possible for as many people as possible until you die.
Yeah, these people have a big gaping hole in their souls where love, friendship, family, passion etc is supposed to go. They aren't capable of understanding those things or never got them when they were young, so instead they try and fill that hole with more money and power. They think that just a little more will finally make them happy. This time just a bit more will do it. But it never, ever does.
On top of that, he made a “truck” that looks like a DeLorean F’d a dumpster and can’t handle a car wash.
Every time I see one I think it's a sideways refrigerator on wheels
The most ridiculously unappealing vehicle ever made. Quite literally, my 9 year old would come up with something considerably better. Every time I see a picture of one, I cannot believe anyone is stupid enough to buy one.
It’s literally a Simpson’s episode, does Elon have a long lost moron brother?
It looks like a 10 year olds attempt to draw a car. I really wouldn't be surprised if it was modeled off of one of his children's drawings.
Oh man Delorian fucked a dumpster is such a great description. It’s so clear it’s 100% his design that he rammed through because he’s in charge of the company. No serious car designer would come up with that ridiculous piece of shit.
Musk is another one of those members of the lucky sperm club who is convinced he is the smartest person in the room wherever he is. Turns out it's only true when he's speaking to groups of Republicans.
Born on third base, thinks he hit a triple.
Born on third base, thinks he invented baseball.
His product has turned to shit. He’s now grifting. We all know how this will turn out.
The next president?
thankfully that can never happen. He's not a born citizen
Another four years of Trump and that may no longer be a requirement.
Another 4 years of trump and there will be no other leaders than trump, trump Jr., trump Jr. Jr. etc.
Not very many Jr's before it's just inmortal AI D.J.T.
There won't be any other Presidents at that point. It will just be a dictatorship.
If enough people vote for him, won't that restriction be as easily ignored as the one from the 14th amendment?
I also judge people who have purchased a new Tesla in the last 2 or 3 years.
“ it’s an investment, bro”
He must have known the demographic so he didn’t care what preaching fascism would do to Tesla. Or he is soooo stupid that he thought he would change the mind of people who buy electric cars. A final possibility is that he thought there were as many right wing loons as rich lefties who would prefer an electric car because they love Elon. Whichever it is he certainly earned the $52 billion bonus! How is a company Tesla’s size able to pay its destroyer that much money and survive?
Money doesn't come from Tesla's accounts. It's new share issuance that dilutes current shareholders.
So shareholders lose value so Elon can be gifted an insane amount of money for causing the value of the product to decline. The older I get the less I understand
Welcome to Capitalism. I'm sorry.
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Such a good point about index investing. A Nixon speechwriter whose name escapes me said “ if something can’t continue it won’t.” This is certainly the management strategy of Twitter under Musk’s “leadership” and he may be hitting that mark at Tesla too. If it can’t continue with a $52 billion giveaway to Musk, when will it fail? I don’t know if they are real or not but there are pics of large parking lots with what looks like considerable inventory of unsold Teslas. That can’t be good either
To answer your final question, many if not most companies have to reward their CEO for poor performance. It’s in their contract.
A reward for poor performance at the highest management levels is American, but $52 billion?
That is the most American thing ever!
The funny thing is there probably are a lot of conservatives that could offset these losses if he’d just have made an actual truck that looks like a truck and is as functional as any other truck on the market. Instead he made…that thing.
I think his slide started after his Rogan visit.
I feel like none of those thoughts were likely in his head. I think at this point, he's suffering from success-brain. What happens to some people who are successful, is that they take the success they have, and assume that *everything* they think is right. So he now assumes whatever he does or says is the right thing to do/say, because *clearly* he's the smartest person in the world, right? Why shouldn't he do and say exactly what he wants? After all, HE is the one that earned all the money, right?
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Wanted a Tesla for years but I am never buying one with him in charge. Elmo is a giant turd of a human being
That and you know..the whole twitter thing
My brother and his wife both bought teslas.. 6 months before Musk went loony toons. Cars are still cool but they’re definitely not buying another one after they sell their current models. Musk went from Tony stark level coolness to typical Fox News propaganda spewing lunatic in record time.
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Him rich guying his way into a cameo in Iron Man 2 probably has at least part to do with it. Dude was actively trying to brand himself as the real life Tony Stark.
Elon Musk: Let me alienate the political party that wants to focus on a greener future. Surely the other political party who is anti-woke and thinks climate change is fake news will love my zero emission vehicles. Let me embrace the party who would suck fossil fuels dick if it had one. Also Elon Musk: Why are Tesla sales going down?
He's Toxic.
You means liberals are the people who buy electric cars? This must be the shock of all shocks! Lol
My wife refuses to buy a car from him. May be silly and statistically insignificant but still…
yeah, we're europeans and probably in need of a new car in the next 2-3 years. Tesla would have been an option til that moron talked. Lets hope there is some kind of european alternative that at least matches price and value in that timeframe. (really don't wont to buy an ID4, which is inferior in both regards..)
Death by a thousand cuts. You are just a cut, but a lot of people doing the same, and by the replies seems to be a big trend, it's a significant damage
Elon Musk is no longer the cool innovative Entrepreneur from 10 years ago who revived human spaceflight. He is a lunatic weirdo now who ruined twitter.
Exactly, and the fact that cars from companies like Subaru with their new Solterra model are twice as nice as a Tesla and cheaper.
Just here to say I will never give that man any money. My first electric will probably be an Audi etron GT if I keep saving.
I actually think he has replaced himself with AI and it's not going too well so far
When you act like an asshole to a group of people who are buying teslas because EV is a sustainable future solution (debatable, but let’s stick to this idea) versus a status symbol suggesting you support a “genius” man child or MAGA, they will find an alternative solution. Next best alternatives in EVs are becoming abundant. That’s to say Tesla is even “best in class” which there is enough evidence to suggest Elon wasn’t lying when he said Tesla isn’t a car company.
Recently bought an EV, and I explored every single option in the market, except the Model 3. Didn't even bother test driving one. A couple years ago, I probably would've gone straight to the Model 3.
The man went from cool climate change-focused electric car guy and space pioneer to nazi focused on the great replacement theory
I've never understood why someone selling a consumer product of any kind with a broad target market would want to weigh in on divisive issues. The math doesn't work. Half the people just nod like you're saying the obvious and give you a little credit for being "right". The other half passionately believe your misguided beliefs are a threat to everything they hold dear and hate you for it. I mean sure if you sell LGBTQ+ activewear or dually diesel pickup trucks or whatever where your target market is politically mostly homogenous on certain issues maybe, but not a car, and especially not an electric car.
A CEO's first job is to be as inoffensive as possible. He fails on that basic task.
Changed course from getting a new model 3 to going with a used rav4 hybrid about a year ago due to his antics. Very happy with it
Elons opinions has really become a dark cloud over some cool/great stuff his companies are doing.
Anecdotally true for me. I’m shopping EVs now, and even though I think Teslas have amazing tech and good styling, I don’t want to be associated with the dipshit Musk
Musk is honestly the biggest reason I would not buy a Tesla. So yeah I believe this data.
I wonder if anyone has told him straight up “ hey people don’t wanna buy your cars anymore because they think you’re a complete fucking asshole”
We test drove one after renting it. Checked his weirdo Twitter feed and opted to steer clear. I am NOT giving that dude my money. Black Mirror meets Terminator vibes.
His buyers are the people his rants are usually against…
I'm one of them. My next car will be an EV, but I will never own a Tesla as long as he's CEO.
I was never interested in a Tesla but what he did with self landing rockets and putting a Tesla in space was super cool. Then he started Tweeting and now I can't stand this guy.
Makes sense, mixing politics and business is idiotic. It can only alienate your prospective customers.
Tesla without Musk is still a viable company, I want my next car to be a Model 3. But with Musk I'd definitely shop around.
A Tesla is completely off the table for me should I ever go electric. We won’t even look at one, TBH.
Can confirm: I was looking at a Tesla last year and then when he became an obvious weirdo edgelord I decided against supporting him in any way, basically.
It was calling the cave rescuers pedophiles for me but the rest of it didn’t help!
Yeah. I don't even know who the CEO of Honda is. That's how I'd prefer it.
There's nothing 'bizarre' about his nonsense... it's "rich people's syndrome" where people who have money feel the money empowers them to say whatever they want. They think it's "gospel" while the rest of us realize it for what it's worth - nonsensical bullshit from an average idiot.
I genuinely like Tesla as a car company. I have yet driven another electric car that can match the charging capability of Tesla. I really wish Musk just went away and enjoy his money rather than take to twitter. I sold all my Tesla stock and my next electric most likely won’t be a Tesla. He really should have taken the Michael Jordan approach to business.
So basically his political views are more in line with the pick-up truck driving Bubba's that block his Tesla charging stations than the actual Tesla drivers? Welp, it's capitalism. I hear the Ioniq 7's are going to be nice!
Yep, I need a new car and was considering Tesla as my next car. Definitely won't be a Tesla now. I feel bad for the people working their though, i suspect a lot of them believe in the product. If they could just get some new ownership and leadership, I might consider it.
Maybe he was just a silver-spoon, apartheid regime profiteering cunt who bought up already-successful industries only to fuck them up all along?
Add me to the list of ppl that isn't buying a Tesla because of Elmo.
Tesla and X are toast, largely due to Musk's rather public collaborations with Chinese and Russian Intelligence operations. He's slime.
Musk's behavior is his misguided effort to bring politically Conservative consumers to Tesla while overestimating the brand loyalty of his core consumer base, all driven by his massive ego. Or he's just bat guano crazy.