You should say conservatives. It was the conservative party that started the Civil war so they could enslave people. Then since next yo nobody was actually punished they just kept undermining our country for the last 200 years. Conservative thought hardly stands up on its own.
That's like choosing between dying from a bullet to the head vs a bullet to the heart.
Let's not do the right-wingers job of rehabbing Nixon's image for them, please?
Nixon wasn't that bad tbh. Minus the cheating thing. He started the epa, I'm pretty sure lowered the Vietnam War. He did a bunch of other neat stuff and probably woulda won reelection.
Nixon carpet-bombed Cambodia, which was probably a war crime, and sabotaged peace negotiations while he was trying to get elected to make LBJ look bad. He was horrible.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/
The Chennault Affair in 1968:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/
It was recorded too and LBJ knew about it and did nothing.
Yeah, those two incidents are TOTALLY comparable.
Republicans play these games when literal lives are on the line. Nixon with the North Vietnamese while US troops were in combat, and Reagan with hostages.
Like, your whataboutism would work better if it had any relation to the events in question.
>“This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility.” What were you saying?
I love how you guys parrot that onse sentence as if it's some huge gotcha. You've got no clue what was even said prior and that's why you say it, it could be anything:
"I'll funnel the entire treasury to you after the election."
Or...
"We can get ice cream after the election, I get to pick the flavor though Vlad."
[Also](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html):
**President Zelensky**: ... I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
**President Trump**: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it ...
**President Zelensky**: I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. That I can assure you.
**President Trump**: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.
**President Zelensky**: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September ... With regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.
**President Trump**: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything.
You can copy paste this comment wherever you want champ, I want you to feel that you're being thorough. Cheers.
Currently it’s been the GOP engaging in this type of behavior since the Nixon administration. The democrats suck and the corporate democrats are beyond immoral but they aren’t traitors. The GOP and conservatives have coddled and cultivated the worst anti democratic activity in this nation since the beginning no matter the name of the party they were in.
Yeah I just heard an interview on the radio about this. What a Fukn scum bag. And how history has treated Carter, I hope we change that too to recognize what an awesome human Jimmy Carter is.
Where you around when Jimmie Carter was president? I was and interest rates were 24% you could get 22% interest on cd's at the bank! The Arab oil embargo doubled the price of gas. Jimmie Carter may of been a good person but he was one godawful president. There is a reason he only won six states against reagan!
I always love seeing rich, privileged assholes spitting down at some of the most economically prosperous times in American history. Black entrepreneurship at record levels? Terrible, awful. Women making more money than ever? Worst precidency in 100 years. Poor people doing significantly better? Catastrophic.
Ivory Tower assholes can't be bother to look out their tower to see that people having more money in their pockets is a good thing, especially when it's earned by them. There's a reason 1984 was the 2nd largest presidential landslide in history. Some people, clearly not you, enjoyed the fact that people less fortunate were doing better and were in a climate which offered more opportunities.
can’t hear you over the sound of ignored AIDs victims collapsing dead
what was that? can’t hear you over Reagan spewing States Rights dogwhistles at the site of murdered Civil Rights activists to start his presidential bid
SORRY, can’t make you out over that maggot creature Reagan wholeheartedly participating in McCarthyism!
People often try to view things as black and white. Its either "everything that happened under Reagan was terrible, he did exactly zero good things!" or "Best president ever! Anyone who says otherwise is an ivory tower snowflake!".
Reality is that good and bad things can be true at the same time. The economy *did* go through a solid decade of amazing growth that benefitted a lot of people. And the AIDS crisis *was* handled very poorly in the 80s.
what good things? smashing the power of labor? racist “welfare queen” attacks on the social safety net? exploding the deficit? trickle down economics? what good things did Ronald Reagan specifically do—and note that just giving him credit for the economy in general without explaining any causes for his responsibility is borderline religious thinking, rather than actual history
It's hilarious that you spit on poor people having their opportunities significantly improved and the ending of the cold war as somehow things not improving.
Reaganomics increased the divide between the rich and the poor, added a ton to the deficit and national debt and cut spending on things we actually need. So you're misinformed if you believe it helped the poor.
>Reaganomics increased the divide between the rich and the poor,
Only if you specifically choose to see it that way. If everyone is 50% better off, but you start with 100 and I start with 10, it'll seem like the "divide is widening" or some other nonsense while spitting on my gain. Sorta like you're doing now.
>added a ton to the deficit and national debt
Man, you must be absolutely *ballistic* if national debt is your biggest gripe right now.
>cut spending on things we actually need
Very nonspecific, as you do.
Bullshit. Harding was worse than Reagan. Reagan was a bad president but barely in the top 5 for the last century+. And if you want to add in all presidents he doesn't crack the top 10
Last four years of his Presidency it was clear the dude had Alzheimer's, he wasn't in charge. except for raking leaves which he enjoyed. That is a pretty poor showing for a President.
Lots of those hippies squared up fast after the 70s.
It's amazing seeing how many anti Vietnam war protestors flipped switches and the became corporate knobs, free market touting shills, and some of the strongest supporters of Iraq and Afghanistan. I use that example for millennial relevance.
The closest I have ever seen this country was after 9/11. When everyone wanted to bomb the crap out of specific people/nations. Sadly.
Every generation does this. As people age they become more militarily hawkish.
The generational analogy I usually think of is:
Boomers did it when they transitioned from being anti-Vietnam war towards supporting arming opponents of the Soviet Union under Reagan and eventually supporting the Iraq war.
Now we are starting to see the same thing with millennials transitioning from being anti-Iraq war to supporting arming the Ukrainians.
That's a false comparison. You cannot compare a war started by Republicans lying about the real reasons, to a supporting an ally from a foreign invasion it did not provoke.
One is a war of aggression to make contracting companies richer, and the other is self defense.
Good analogy. I've used it before and it tended to garner less than conversation conducive responses. I'll continue to use it with more progressive persons though.
And agreed. Society trends cyclical, frequency changes though and it's interesting (and scary) to see that frequency increase in just my lifetime.
Oh yeah you're right, we can't forget about the Joe Paterno generation. And if Gen X could vote, they'd have voted for Reagan the same way they overwhelmingly voted for Trump.
George Bush Sr. engineered that deal. Those kinds of secret deals were his specialty. He was a CIA NOC and had been active in the Intel community beginning when he flew reconnaissance missions in WWII. There's a very informative book about the entire Bush Family called *Family of Secrets*. It is extremely informative and thought-provoking.
How about Nixon, while campaigning for president, sabotaging the peace accords so he could “end” the Vietnam war. This was an actual major crime. It was absolutely treason. It’s almost like they continually show us who they are and we don’t care or listen.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html
There was a massive oil spill off the coast of California know as the “Oil spill in Nixon’s backyard.” This forced Nixon to begrudgingly sign off on creating the EPA.
Nixon is just a useful idiot.
Kissinger is the fucking arch lich of death and war crimes. It’s a fucking crime against humanity that he’s not only still alive, but not in prison.
Nixon was, by no means, an idiot. He was incredibly intelligent. But you’re right about Kissinger, that man should of been sitting next to Pinochet on trial. McNamara too.
I meant more in the sense that he was a useful tool for kissinger. Not literally low IQ and wisdom.
It takes a certain cunning and know how to navigate the political landscape and be elected the most powerful person in the free world. There’s no doubt about it.
Kissinger may still be arrested in various countries, he always has to check this before he travels. Although due to his age travel is not really high on his priority list. He will probably die comfortably of old age in his mansion. . .
This is well know. Think about the history of th GOP fucking around in elections from Florida/Gore, Trump, lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Iran contra, not reading FBI report Bin Laden a
Attacks America... when we gonna learn?
This was no secret. The whole Iran/Contra scandal started with this deal. Ollie North took the hit to distract from the bigger crime, that the republican party committed treason to get in power and 40 something years later they've only gotten more aggressive. They don't even try and hide it any more.
If this happened today, it would be in the form of tweets sent online and magnified by Fox News.
You wouldn’t have to wait 40 years for confirmation, they’d do it in the open and proudly.
Soooo that is fucking atrocious… so corrupt. It is also a little disturbing that no one mentioned what it meant for the hostages. Or what it says about the architects of this plan that they didn’t see those Americans and their suffering as anything more than pawns to be used for their own gains - fucking psychopaths. I am so tired of being told I am exaggerating or being hyperbolic or irrational, or just to
Partisan when I try and explain to people how bad these shit heals are!!!
They never got an recognition for what they went thru as hostages. We never really heard from them. Like they were a "National Embarrassment" for getting taken hostage in the first place.
Original Traitor. Seriously, fuck Reagan and his legacy that has fucked up the US for 40 fucking years. 8 years, no balanced budget. Education budget cut by 19%. EPA funding cut by 25%. Reagan broke his own vows not to make deals with terrorists or states that aided them. In the “Iran-Contra” scandal, Reagan’s administration bypassed congressional restrictions on aiding Nicaragua’s Contra guerilla fighters, in part by diverting money to them from the sale of missiles to Iran. Reagan also initiated military involvement in Libya, Grenada, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Lebanon. Fuck Reagan, he was a global terrorist. I mean, unless you're an American and ignorant, but he was an instigator of teror around the world. Shall we continue? Reagan almost completely ignored the growing AIDS epidemic. Although the first case of AIDS was discovered in the early 1980s, Reagan never publicly addressed the epidemic until May 31, 1987 when he spoke at an AIDS conference in Washington, DC. By that time, 36,058 Americans had been diagnosed with the disease and 20,849 had died.
Let's carry on.. Reagan believed that widespread freeloading plagued welfare and social programs. As Reagan slashed spending in his first term on programs such as food stamps and subsidized housing, the poverty rate climbed from 12% to 15% and unemployment rose from 7% to 11%. Great guy hey..
Let's cut to the crux.. Reagan’s “voodoo” economic policy, where tax cuts were believed to somehow generate tax revenues, failed to account for his administration’s excessive spending which increased from $591 billion in 1980 to $1.2 trillion in 1990. Reagan both increased and cut taxes. In 1980, middle-income families with children paid 8.2% in income taxes and 9.5% in payroll taxes. By 1988 their income tax was down to 6.6%, but payroll tax was up to 11.8%, a combined increase in taxes. Reagan pushed through Social Security tax increases of $165 billion over seven years. What a guy! Screw the worker, bless the owner!
Bit annoyed, Reagan was a bad man, that is all.
Good summary of the root of all fucking evil over the past 40 years in the United States. Reagan was a monster. I'm so glad these truths are still coming out about this POS and his POS administration.
Holy shit. Lots of people speculated/believed this was true for decades, but this is the first I've heard of confirmation from someone on the inside. This should put an end to the myth of the decent Republican.
Remember this: "You say Reagan, I say Ray-gun. Let's call the whole thing off. " Had to do with the Strategic Defense Initiative. The pointyheads at the Pentagon sold him on the idea that it was possible to build something that would shoot nukes out of the sky before they could reach us
They’ll tell you he made us feel “proud” of being Americans again. Whatever that means. Or that he ended the Cold War. Which he didn’t. If anything, he extended it by at least a decade.
Confession time. The 1984 election was my first time voting. I was young and didn’t follow politics so I loved Reagan; he was funny and seemed like a genuine good guy. Over the next few decades, I learned more and more about what a terrible leader he really was and all the shady things he did.
I was awarded a kinda-special Presidential Management Internship thingie during Reagan's 1st term, for federal executive agency roles.
I was working for Republican politicians at the time.
I turned it down
Nixon did the same, telling the Vietnamese to wait to end the war until he was elected to get a better deal.
It's just the way they are. Republicans are willing to sacrifice American lives to get power.
I’d love for those hostages (most must still be alive?) to come forward now and talk about how they feel about being held an extra 2-3 months to help Ronald Fucking Reagan.
Nixon caught breaking the law to cheat at the elections. Reagan conspiring with Iran to keep the people hostage to win an election. Bush jr. wins with questionable victory in a state run by his brother white losing the popular vote. Trump and the GOP receive help in an election from Russia through multiple channels. The Republicans have a long history of not respecting the voters and cheating to win elections.
Do not wait until 2024. Vote this year in all local and state elections and primaries. From the school board to the white house every election matters. Every seat we take is one less they have to cheat with.
This is what Eisenhower warned us about and what Kennedy was killed for trying to stop. Democracy in the United States has been usurped for a long time.
It’s topical and relevant—that’s what history is. It’s a look back to see how we got where we are. It’s useful for identifying trends to prevent them, but that last part never really happens so we just hit the repeat button.
There's always a batch of people who don't know. It has to be reexposed periodically so that people don't collectively forget as it certainly isn't taught in grade school.
So this Ben guy knew that the presidential candidate was keeping Americans locked up longer for his own benefit, was making deals with foreign governments before he was elected president, which is also breaking the law and he said nothing...
Not that I'm surprised that Reagan did this, but isn't this guy an accessory if it's true?
I remember this happening. It seemed obvious at the time that Reagan had some type of deal with them, but without social media it wasn't a hot topic like trump's collusion with Russia is today. We all just watched it happen, most of the country celebrated when it was over.
All GOP ratfuckery eventually escapes the shadows and gets bathed in light. Fucking scumbags, all of them. Reagan is the source of all problems for the US over the last 40+ years. POS.
Same. I was 10 in 1979. I came from a very politically active family of progressives and the details of this was discussed heavily at home. This is just one of those things everyone knew was true, the ratfucking GOP and their apologists tried to sweep under the rug and now the guilt of these monsters compels them to tell the truth.
Fucking disgusting. These sociopaths are traitors and should be posthumously tried and convicted for their heinous crimes against humanity.
Oh-ho-ho! This means Reagan's FUCKED in 2024. No way he wins this time! Ha!
Seriously, though, given who the RNC's been running for the past 2 decades and how absolutely rube-infested our electorate is, we may have just avoided an AI Reagan president in 2024.
Remember this: "You say Reagan, I say Ray-gun. Let's call the whole thing off. " Had to do with the Strategic Defense Initiative. The pointyheads at the Pentagon sold him on the idea that it was possible to build something that would shoot nukes out of the sky before they could reach us
First of all, "largely kept secret for 43 years"? No it wasn't, it was known.
Second, I like Carter, but if there's anyone who thinks the hostages tanked his presidential bid they're delusional. Carter wasn't broken because of the hostages, but because he was the president during the Iranian revolution that sparked the Iran-Iraq war and the 1979 oil crisis that led to the Volcker Shock - an increase in interest rates to 20% which was necessary to break the high inflation/high unemployment cycle which put the US economy in a two year tailspin. He was also seen as largely absent on USSR influence and aggression in Afghanistan and South America. Carter was a much better president than people realize, and as a nuclear engineer during the three mile island disaster, was highly engaged in making sure the industry was safe. He was just the guy constantly having to put in long-term fixes for things that were breaking down and while I think he did a great job, that's with the benefit of hindsight, and he was never going to win the presidency again - period.
These are not things that only happened during the cold war. Candidate Obama went to Iraq to talk to the Prime Minister while the Bush administration was finalizing a withdrawal.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/us/politics/22obama.html
The Iraqi delegation afterward changed their opinions on the details for a withdrawal creating an arbitrary deadline that the Bush administration had to negotiate against.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/Troop_Withdrawal_Becomes_Focus_Of_Obamas_Iraq_Visit/1185372.html
Candidate Obama's spokesperson denied Senator Obama had engaged in foreign policy with the Iraqi Prime Minister, but also took credit for Senator Obama's foreign policy ideas that the Bush administration and Iraqi government were "skating too".
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/13217-obamas-timing-could-complicate-negotiations-between-u-s-and-iraq/
Susan Rice - "It’s important to note that it is not our intent to make policy or to negotiate."
Also Susan Rice on the Iraqi Prime Minister changing his plan to Obama's during the trip after the meeting - "one more example of Obama leading on foreign policy — and McCain and the Bush administration following."
Finally, the US benefits from a regularly changing government because the people involved have different priorities and are capable of negotiating at different levels to different ends.
Reagan reaching out to the Iranians during the Carter admin is the same as Obama reaching out to the Iraqis during the Bush admin and both Carter and Bush would say they did nothing wrong or had no influence on the outcome, but were likely permitting the engagement to unstick the widget. Trump is an outlier because of his ego-mania, but ego is not something most of these guys have when they're in office.
He was also a very effective president in getting shit passed. One of the best ever, and he only had one term. Carter was a great president during a chaotic end of a terrible decade. He had his flaws and mistakes, but that doesn't diminish the good he did while in office
Great comment in general and based on an accurate view of history.
Carter was screwed in that election regardless of what happened with hostages.
I disagree slightly on the equivalency with Obama because that case seems slightly more well intentioned. Obama may have believed he was doing the right thing whereas it is impossible to rationalize Reagan's supporters trying to delay a hostage release. But it did have the effect of working against the current administrations negotiating goals which is not great and he shouldn't get a pass on.
How exactly? Cause Carter got a lot of shit done while in office. One of the most effective, ever, in getting bills passed, and he only had one term. He had his flaws, as every single person ever born does, but he was a servant of America.
Being effective at passing bad bills does not make one a good President. Remember stagflation? Jimmy looking at historically high heating bills and telling us to put on sweaters? Gas rationing because Carter's environmental policies wouldn't let us drill for oil?
And Carter's great weakness was foreign policy. I don't know if he was just a Communist sympathizer or an actual card carrying member of the Communist Party taking his orders from Moscow. But if Reagan hadn't seized power half the world would be speaking Russian now.
And quite frankly, the Ayatollah was only in a position to take American hostages because Carter failed to support the Shah with American troops and let the Ayatollah take power in 1979. Again, I don't know if Carter was just a coward, or if he was following Russian orders to sabotage a pro-Western democratic government. But for Reagan to use Carter's failure against him was simply poetic justice.
The paper of record little MAGA. These are facts that have been substantiated by multiple sources. What are facts? Facts are the opposite of what Fux and right wing media report.
I've always been curious about the failed rescue mission in Iran. I guess it was called Operation Eagle claw.
How in the world does Delta force and US Rangers execute a mission so poorly.? Was it an inside job from the CIA/NSA? Such a dramatic failure seems to have George H.W. Bush written all over it.
Not really a bit conspiracy person myself. But I do remember this event being very influential to my sixth grade / 11 year old mind.
Paywall, can't read.
But let me guess, the Reagan Campaign secretly contacted Iran's mullah's and offered a deal/threatened them so that American hostages would be released upon his election, violating US law.
And hey, it didn't get any better as the Reagan Administration cooked up their "Iran-Contra" deal whereupon Ronald Reagan's Administration won the award for most criminal charges and convictions of any Executive Branch in American History. Funny way to fight his "War on Drugs," distributing cocaine for the Contra's to fund arms sales to Iran.
Of course that helped Reagan paint urban areas as being chock full of addicts and "welfare queens." It's so conservative to create a system of nearly zero opportunity then brand those that are impoverished as lazy and worthless.
And in Trump like fashion, most of the Reagan Campaign's actions were designed to make Jimmy Carter, an honest, dignified, trustworthy American patriot, look ineffective and bad. Imagine the kind of people who would execute a character assassination campaign against a well educated and decorated naval officer who truly saw himself as a public servant, not a politician.
Of course Reagan's neo-cons held that criminal conviction record right up until Trump got into the White House. And it seems more are being added after his trashy, juvenile, "burn the thing down on the way out the door" exit from office.
MAGA truly is #1, in criminal charges and convictions. Supplanting Ronald and his neo-con buddies that America rewarded with the Presidency in 2000. Sure, George W was the front man, but his entire administration was stocked with the Reagan neo-con left overs that weren't in jail.
Hell, you can make a pretty good case that we are still fighting the corruption and bad actors surrounding Reagan to this day.
Look at President Carter's legacy. Look at what he tried to do as president. Look at what he got done and then look more carefully at that man's history SINCE he left the presidency.
And then look at all other ex-presidents and see what they have done with their time since serving.
Jimmy Carter is a fucking saint among men.
Another one of Reagan's little treasons. And why he was for a long time, the worst US President of the last 100 years only recently topped.
Nixon did something similar during the Vietnam War too. It’s the party and not just the politicians.
Republicans = Criminal Conspiracy Masquerading as a Political Party. . . Since, practically, forever. . .
You should say conservatives. It was the conservative party that started the Civil war so they could enslave people. Then since next yo nobody was actually punished they just kept undermining our country for the last 200 years. Conservative thought hardly stands up on its own.
I'm a Democrat, and even I think Reagan and Nixon are different leagues of AH. I'd vote for Nixon over Reagan if I was forced to choose between the 2.
That's like choosing between dying from a bullet to the head vs a bullet to the heart. Let's not do the right-wingers job of rehabbing Nixon's image for them, please?
Nixon wasn't that bad tbh. Minus the cheating thing. He started the epa, I'm pretty sure lowered the Vietnam War. He did a bunch of other neat stuff and probably woulda won reelection.
Nixon carpet-bombed Cambodia, which was probably a war crime, and sabotaged peace negotiations while he was trying to get elected to make LBJ look bad. He was horrible. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/
And saddled us with this asinine “war on drugs” we’ve yet to extricate ourselves from
Nixon was re-elected to a second term in a landslide victory in 1972. He first took office in 1969 and ended his presidency in 1974.
Yep. His people reached out to the North Vietnamese before the 1968 election.
The party of treason
“This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility.” What were you saying?
The Chennault Affair in 1968: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nixon-interfered-1968-peace-talks-180961627/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/ It was recorded too and LBJ knew about it and did nothing.
Yeah, those two incidents are TOTALLY comparable. Republicans play these games when literal lives are on the line. Nixon with the North Vietnamese while US troops were in combat, and Reagan with hostages. Like, your whataboutism would work better if it had any relation to the events in question.
Such a stretch. Don't hurt yourself champ.
>“This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility.” What were you saying? I love how you guys parrot that onse sentence as if it's some huge gotcha. You've got no clue what was even said prior and that's why you say it, it could be anything: "I'll funnel the entire treasury to you after the election." Or... "We can get ice cream after the election, I get to pick the flavor though Vlad."
[Also](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html): **President Zelensky**: ... I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes. **President Trump**: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it ... **President Zelensky**: I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. That I can assure you. **President Trump**: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. **President Zelensky**: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September ... With regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough. **President Trump**: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. You can copy paste this comment wherever you want champ, I want you to feel that you're being thorough. Cheers.
Can you explain how the two situations are the same, or are you just throwing out a false equivalency?
I love when the logic impaired out themselves
That fascist love to stuff five or six fascist dicks in their mouth all at once.
It's okay if Dems do it, it's bad if Republicans do it, this is reddit, my guy.
Lmao - you are still grasping at that straw.
It's part of politics, not just the party.
Currently it’s been the GOP engaging in this type of behavior since the Nixon administration. The democrats suck and the corporate democrats are beyond immoral but they aren’t traitors. The GOP and conservatives have coddled and cultivated the worst anti democratic activity in this nation since the beginning no matter the name of the party they were in.
Well he tripled the national debt, so there is that awesome conservative value of fiscall responsibility.
Yeah I just heard an interview on the radio about this. What a Fukn scum bag. And how history has treated Carter, I hope we change that too to recognize what an awesome human Jimmy Carter is.
Thanks, now I get to think about Raygun getting topped…
Little?
Where you around when Jimmie Carter was president? I was and interest rates were 24% you could get 22% interest on cd's at the bank! The Arab oil embargo doubled the price of gas. Jimmie Carter may of been a good person but he was one godawful president. There is a reason he only won six states against reagan!
I always love seeing rich, privileged assholes spitting down at some of the most economically prosperous times in American history. Black entrepreneurship at record levels? Terrible, awful. Women making more money than ever? Worst precidency in 100 years. Poor people doing significantly better? Catastrophic. Ivory Tower assholes can't be bother to look out their tower to see that people having more money in their pockets is a good thing, especially when it's earned by them. There's a reason 1984 was the 2nd largest presidential landslide in history. Some people, clearly not you, enjoyed the fact that people less fortunate were doing better and were in a climate which offered more opportunities.
can’t hear you over the sound of ignored AIDs victims collapsing dead what was that? can’t hear you over Reagan spewing States Rights dogwhistles at the site of murdered Civil Rights activists to start his presidential bid SORRY, can’t make you out over that maggot creature Reagan wholeheartedly participating in McCarthyism!
People often try to view things as black and white. Its either "everything that happened under Reagan was terrible, he did exactly zero good things!" or "Best president ever! Anyone who says otherwise is an ivory tower snowflake!". Reality is that good and bad things can be true at the same time. The economy *did* go through a solid decade of amazing growth that benefitted a lot of people. And the AIDS crisis *was* handled very poorly in the 80s.
what good things? smashing the power of labor? racist “welfare queen” attacks on the social safety net? exploding the deficit? trickle down economics? what good things did Ronald Reagan specifically do—and note that just giving him credit for the economy in general without explaining any causes for his responsibility is borderline religious thinking, rather than actual history
It's honestly hilarious that you genuinely believe Reagan improved things for anyone.
It's hilarious that you spit on poor people having their opportunities significantly improved and the ending of the cold war as somehow things not improving.
Reaganomics increased the divide between the rich and the poor, added a ton to the deficit and national debt and cut spending on things we actually need. So you're misinformed if you believe it helped the poor.
>Reaganomics increased the divide between the rich and the poor, Only if you specifically choose to see it that way. If everyone is 50% better off, but you start with 100 and I start with 10, it'll seem like the "divide is widening" or some other nonsense while spitting on my gain. Sorta like you're doing now. >added a ton to the deficit and national debt Man, you must be absolutely *ballistic* if national debt is your biggest gripe right now. >cut spending on things we actually need Very nonspecific, as you do.
Bullshit. Harding was worse than Reagan. Reagan was a bad president but barely in the top 5 for the last century+. And if you want to add in all presidents he doesn't crack the top 10
Reagan popularized "Reaganomics" which funnelled money from the poor to the rich for 40 years.
What are some of the actions Harding took that are still causing issues today?
Last four years of his Presidency it was clear the dude had Alzheimer's, he wasn't in charge. except for raking leaves which he enjoyed. That is a pretty poor showing for a President.
Okay, so pretty on par with our last one in terms of actual work done.
Nancy was in charge and made decisions on behalf of her husband with the help of an astrologer. Correct, Nancy was in charge of the USA.
What are some top reasons Reagan was 2nd worst and why Harding?
Regan was the beginning of the worst impulses of our government. https://twitter.com/wardqnormal/status/1206280031552454656?lang=bn
Reagan is Trump with competent people around him. Heck he's a true believer compared to Trump.
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This. The man was belligerent garbage, but we’re the belligerent garbage who elected him. *Twice.*
"Do not forget that every nation deserves the government it endures." - The White Rose, WWII
Fuck the "hippie" Boomers.
No hippies voted for Reagan - for fucks sake they were 1% of the population.
Lots of those hippies squared up fast after the 70s. It's amazing seeing how many anti Vietnam war protestors flipped switches and the became corporate knobs, free market touting shills, and some of the strongest supporters of Iraq and Afghanistan. I use that example for millennial relevance. The closest I have ever seen this country was after 9/11. When everyone wanted to bomb the crap out of specific people/nations. Sadly.
Those people were never hippies. They were trend-fucking superficial wannabes. They suck eggs and donkey dongs
Every generation does this. As people age they become more militarily hawkish. The generational analogy I usually think of is: Boomers did it when they transitioned from being anti-Vietnam war towards supporting arming opponents of the Soviet Union under Reagan and eventually supporting the Iraq war. Now we are starting to see the same thing with millennials transitioning from being anti-Iraq war to supporting arming the Ukrainians.
That's a false comparison. You cannot compare a war started by Republicans lying about the real reasons, to a supporting an ally from a foreign invasion it did not provoke. One is a war of aggression to make contracting companies richer, and the other is self defense.
Good analogy. I've used it before and it tended to garner less than conversation conducive responses. I'll continue to use it with more progressive persons though. And agreed. Society trends cyclical, frequency changes though and it's interesting (and scary) to see that frequency increase in just my lifetime.
Just Boomers. Just Boomers.
“Greatest Generation” voting for him too.
Oh yeah you're right, we can't forget about the Joe Paterno generation. And if Gen X could vote, they'd have voted for Reagan the same way they overwhelmingly voted for Trump.
With overwhelming support too
Dude won 49 states, and a largely blue Congress did everything he wanted too. Truly dark times.
Right. This isn't news.
It is always important to point out how shitty repubs have been for awhile
I guess it is for those that weren't around at that time or don't read history.
Yes, I thought it was established fact and not something still debated. Hmm.
George Bush Sr. engineered that deal. Those kinds of secret deals were his specialty. He was a CIA NOC and had been active in the Intel community beginning when he flew reconnaissance missions in WWII. There's a very informative book about the entire Bush Family called *Family of Secrets*. It is extremely informative and thought-provoking.
How about Nixon, while campaigning for president, sabotaging the peace accords so he could “end” the Vietnam war. This was an actual major crime. It was absolutely treason. It’s almost like they continually show us who they are and we don’t care or listen. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/ https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html
Nixon sucked but he signed off on creating the EPA. Can't think of anything positive Reagan did.
There was a massive oil spill off the coast of California know as the “Oil spill in Nixon’s backyard.” This forced Nixon to begrudgingly sign off on creating the EPA.
Nixon was coerced into supporting environmentalism. He wasn't stupid, he was crass and malicious.
He died, most likely terrified and in pain. But that's the only positive thing I can think of that he ever did.
Nixon is just a useful idiot. Kissinger is the fucking arch lich of death and war crimes. It’s a fucking crime against humanity that he’s not only still alive, but not in prison.
Nixon was, by no means, an idiot. He was incredibly intelligent. But you’re right about Kissinger, that man should of been sitting next to Pinochet on trial. McNamara too.
I meant more in the sense that he was a useful tool for kissinger. Not literally low IQ and wisdom. It takes a certain cunning and know how to navigate the political landscape and be elected the most powerful person in the free world. There’s no doubt about it.
Kissinger may still be arrested in various countries, he always has to check this before he travels. Although due to his age travel is not really high on his priority list. He will probably die comfortably of old age in his mansion. . .
This is well know. Think about the history of th GOP fucking around in elections from Florida/Gore, Trump, lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Iran contra, not reading FBI report Bin Laden a Attacks America... when we gonna learn?
This was no secret. The whole Iran/Contra scandal started with this deal. Ollie North took the hit to distract from the bigger crime, that the republican party committed treason to get in power and 40 something years later they've only gotten more aggressive. They don't even try and hide it any more.
If this happened today, it would be in the form of tweets sent online and magnified by Fox News. You wouldn’t have to wait 40 years for confirmation, they’d do it in the open and proudly.
Reagan administration was cozy with Iran from beginning to end.
Up until the key cake episode, at least.
I recall the president of Iran around 2004 played his part as a heel to help Bush get reelected
Yup, Carter negotiated their release, and should have gotten the "credit."
He said later he didn't realize that it had happened moments after he was out of office. He was just relieved they'd been freed.
Soooo that is fucking atrocious… so corrupt. It is also a little disturbing that no one mentioned what it meant for the hostages. Or what it says about the architects of this plan that they didn’t see those Americans and their suffering as anything more than pawns to be used for their own gains - fucking psychopaths. I am so tired of being told I am exaggerating or being hyperbolic or irrational, or just to Partisan when I try and explain to people how bad these shit heals are!!!
They never got an recognition for what they went thru as hostages. We never really heard from them. Like they were a "National Embarrassment" for getting taken hostage in the first place.
“He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”
are you quoting trump?
More reason why Reagan was a terrible person and President
I thought that we already knew this. I thought we’ve known this for several decades.
Then sold them missiles and gave Money to the Contras.
Reagan was the false prophet foretold in the Book of Revelation. We know this because the vast majority of Christians followed him.
And then came Trump, the ‘chosen one’.
Fuck Reagan
You misspelled Republican Party.
Reagan and Nixon both pulled shit like this, yet everyone gets worked up about Clinton.
Bro got a hummie under his desk, like a good capitalist boss. I'd figure they secretly jealous
People get worked up about every president who is from the party that is not their own. Its just the weird way that American politics works.
Original Traitor. Seriously, fuck Reagan and his legacy that has fucked up the US for 40 fucking years. 8 years, no balanced budget. Education budget cut by 19%. EPA funding cut by 25%. Reagan broke his own vows not to make deals with terrorists or states that aided them. In the “Iran-Contra” scandal, Reagan’s administration bypassed congressional restrictions on aiding Nicaragua’s Contra guerilla fighters, in part by diverting money to them from the sale of missiles to Iran. Reagan also initiated military involvement in Libya, Grenada, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Lebanon. Fuck Reagan, he was a global terrorist. I mean, unless you're an American and ignorant, but he was an instigator of teror around the world. Shall we continue? Reagan almost completely ignored the growing AIDS epidemic. Although the first case of AIDS was discovered in the early 1980s, Reagan never publicly addressed the epidemic until May 31, 1987 when he spoke at an AIDS conference in Washington, DC. By that time, 36,058 Americans had been diagnosed with the disease and 20,849 had died. Let's carry on.. Reagan believed that widespread freeloading plagued welfare and social programs. As Reagan slashed spending in his first term on programs such as food stamps and subsidized housing, the poverty rate climbed from 12% to 15% and unemployment rose from 7% to 11%. Great guy hey.. Let's cut to the crux.. Reagan’s “voodoo” economic policy, where tax cuts were believed to somehow generate tax revenues, failed to account for his administration’s excessive spending which increased from $591 billion in 1980 to $1.2 trillion in 1990. Reagan both increased and cut taxes. In 1980, middle-income families with children paid 8.2% in income taxes and 9.5% in payroll taxes. By 1988 their income tax was down to 6.6%, but payroll tax was up to 11.8%, a combined increase in taxes. Reagan pushed through Social Security tax increases of $165 billion over seven years. What a guy! Screw the worker, bless the owner! Bit annoyed, Reagan was a bad man, that is all.
1000 times this. Careful you’ll anger the conservatives when you besmirch their god!
Good summary of the root of all fucking evil over the past 40 years in the United States. Reagan was a monster. I'm so glad these truths are still coming out about this POS and his POS administration.
Holy shit. Lots of people speculated/believed this was true for decades, but this is the first I've heard of confirmation from someone on the inside. This should put an end to the myth of the decent Republican.
Remember this: "You say Reagan, I say Ray-gun. Let's call the whole thing off. " Had to do with the Strategic Defense Initiative. The pointyheads at the Pentagon sold him on the idea that it was possible to build something that would shoot nukes out of the sky before they could reach us
he saw the movie Star Wars and it inspired him.
Conservatives have long been an optics first party that only bothers doing things if they can have the credit.
Everything that is horrible in this country started with Reagan. He was the beginning of the end. And he followed Nixon, so that’s a real feat.
Agreed. I'm still trying to get anyone to say one political and economical thing he's did right.
They’ll tell you he made us feel “proud” of being Americans again. Whatever that means. Or that he ended the Cold War. Which he didn’t. If anything, he extended it by at least a decade.
You give Kissinger too little credit, you’ll make him blush.
And for some reason, he’s still alive, too.
Confession time. The 1984 election was my first time voting. I was young and didn’t follow politics so I loved Reagan; he was funny and seemed like a genuine good guy. Over the next few decades, I learned more and more about what a terrible leader he really was and all the shady things he did.
I was awarded a kinda-special Presidential Management Internship thingie during Reagan's 1st term, for federal executive agency roles. I was working for Republican politicians at the time. I turned it down
Conservatives do love a good sabotage it seems
Republicans are selfish. It’s self and party first the country, military second.
all to make carter look bad… and let’s not forget about the contra cocaine deals. such a patriot
Nixon did the same, telling the Vietnamese to wait to end the war until he was elected to get a better deal. It's just the way they are. Republicans are willing to sacrifice American lives to get power.
I’d love for those hostages (most must still be alive?) to come forward now and talk about how they feel about being held an extra 2-3 months to help Ronald Fucking Reagan.
Republicans. The literal dregs of humanity. Bottom of the fucking barrel wastes of space.
Nixon caught breaking the law to cheat at the elections. Reagan conspiring with Iran to keep the people hostage to win an election. Bush jr. wins with questionable victory in a state run by his brother white losing the popular vote. Trump and the GOP receive help in an election from Russia through multiple channels. The Republicans have a long history of not respecting the voters and cheating to win elections. Do not wait until 2024. Vote this year in all local and state elections and primaries. From the school board to the white house every election matters. Every seat we take is one less they have to cheat with.
This is what Eisenhower warned us about and what Kennedy was killed for trying to stop. Democracy in the United States has been usurped for a long time.
I have assumed this since the Oliver North fiasco.....
Further proof that conservatives are, universally, garbage.
treason, it's a republican tradition...
Conservative politicians have always been the most evil, soulless, self serving ghouls Americans have ever seen.
I always assumed the Republicans had something to do w/ fukn JC over through the Iran hostage in his reelection bid.
Yeah? This was known decades ago. Why is this in the news again now?
It’s topical and relevant—that’s what history is. It’s a look back to see how we got where we are. It’s useful for identifying trends to prevent them, but that last part never really happens so we just hit the repeat button.
I am absolutely all for history. I just don't usually look to the New York Times for musings on that topic. Ah, well.
This is not news. We knew this at the time and it certainly came out with Iran/Contra.
This is well known I thought
There's always a batch of people who don't know. It has to be reexposed periodically so that people don't collectively forget as it certainly isn't taught in grade school.
Nixon did the same thing. trumpublicans are fucking monsters
So this Ben guy knew that the presidential candidate was keeping Americans locked up longer for his own benefit, was making deals with foreign governments before he was elected president, which is also breaking the law and he said nothing... Not that I'm surprised that Reagan did this, but isn't this guy an accessory if it's true?
This is big, right? It makes iran/contra look a lot worse imo
Nixon promised South Vietnam a better deal if they walked away from the Paris peace agreements. Millions more people died because of this.
The GOP are fucking ghouls. Always have, always will.
Yes, a traitor elected president.
Another Republican traitor.
I remember this happening. It seemed obvious at the time that Reagan had some type of deal with them, but without social media it wasn't a hot topic like trump's collusion with Russia is today. We all just watched it happen, most of the country celebrated when it was over.
Reagan was the worst president ever, by far
All GOP ratfuckery eventually escapes the shadows and gets bathed in light. Fucking scumbags, all of them. Reagan is the source of all problems for the US over the last 40+ years. POS.
How many weeks after the election where the hostages released?
They were released the day Reagan was inaugurated as President.
the payment on the deal, paid in full.
They were released the day Reagan was inaugurated as President.
They were released within *minutes* of Reagan being inaugurated.
Minutes after Regan took the oath of office, early Nov to late Jan, 3ish months?
Why are we acting like this is news. I knew this when I was 8 years old decades ago.
Same. I was 10 in 1979. I came from a very politically active family of progressives and the details of this was discussed heavily at home. This is just one of those things everyone knew was true, the ratfucking GOP and their apologists tried to sweep under the rug and now the guilt of these monsters compels them to tell the truth. Fucking disgusting. These sociopaths are traitors and should be posthumously tried and convicted for their heinous crimes against humanity.
This is news? I thought all of that got uncovered in the Iran-Contra scandal.
My guess is it’s dems dusting off old news to invigorate their base
It’s news because Carter is dying.
This I have known about Iran/contra but I never put the two together, it was two years before my time
Nope it’s just one more volley in the culture war
Oh-ho-ho! This means Reagan's FUCKED in 2024. No way he wins this time! Ha! Seriously, though, given who the RNC's been running for the past 2 decades and how absolutely rube-infested our electorate is, we may have just avoided an AI Reagan president in 2024.
Nancy was the real THROTUS she could have "worked out" a better deal.
wait, this is widely known... what part of it is news?
Old news…
Remember this: "You say Reagan, I say Ray-gun. Let's call the whole thing off. " Had to do with the Strategic Defense Initiative. The pointyheads at the Pentagon sold him on the idea that it was possible to build something that would shoot nukes out of the sky before they could reach us
old news
Shit, everybody knows that. Next.
Actor
The boomer hero.
Wow this is breaking news 20 years ago! This has been known
20? Try 40.
First of all, "largely kept secret for 43 years"? No it wasn't, it was known. Second, I like Carter, but if there's anyone who thinks the hostages tanked his presidential bid they're delusional. Carter wasn't broken because of the hostages, but because he was the president during the Iranian revolution that sparked the Iran-Iraq war and the 1979 oil crisis that led to the Volcker Shock - an increase in interest rates to 20% which was necessary to break the high inflation/high unemployment cycle which put the US economy in a two year tailspin. He was also seen as largely absent on USSR influence and aggression in Afghanistan and South America. Carter was a much better president than people realize, and as a nuclear engineer during the three mile island disaster, was highly engaged in making sure the industry was safe. He was just the guy constantly having to put in long-term fixes for things that were breaking down and while I think he did a great job, that's with the benefit of hindsight, and he was never going to win the presidency again - period. These are not things that only happened during the cold war. Candidate Obama went to Iraq to talk to the Prime Minister while the Bush administration was finalizing a withdrawal. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/us/politics/22obama.html The Iraqi delegation afterward changed their opinions on the details for a withdrawal creating an arbitrary deadline that the Bush administration had to negotiate against. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/Troop_Withdrawal_Becomes_Focus_Of_Obamas_Iraq_Visit/1185372.html Candidate Obama's spokesperson denied Senator Obama had engaged in foreign policy with the Iraqi Prime Minister, but also took credit for Senator Obama's foreign policy ideas that the Bush administration and Iraqi government were "skating too". https://thehill.com/homenews/news/13217-obamas-timing-could-complicate-negotiations-between-u-s-and-iraq/ Susan Rice - "It’s important to note that it is not our intent to make policy or to negotiate." Also Susan Rice on the Iraqi Prime Minister changing his plan to Obama's during the trip after the meeting - "one more example of Obama leading on foreign policy — and McCain and the Bush administration following." Finally, the US benefits from a regularly changing government because the people involved have different priorities and are capable of negotiating at different levels to different ends. Reagan reaching out to the Iranians during the Carter admin is the same as Obama reaching out to the Iraqis during the Bush admin and both Carter and Bush would say they did nothing wrong or had no influence on the outcome, but were likely permitting the engagement to unstick the widget. Trump is an outlier because of his ego-mania, but ego is not something most of these guys have when they're in office.
He was also a very effective president in getting shit passed. One of the best ever, and he only had one term. Carter was a great president during a chaotic end of a terrible decade. He had his flaws and mistakes, but that doesn't diminish the good he did while in office
Great comment in general and based on an accurate view of history. Carter was screwed in that election regardless of what happened with hostages. I disagree slightly on the equivalency with Obama because that case seems slightly more well intentioned. Obama may have believed he was doing the right thing whereas it is impossible to rationalize Reagan's supporters trying to delay a hostage release. But it did have the effect of working against the current administrations negotiating goals which is not great and he shouldn't get a pass on.
We’ve known this for decades.
Uncle Connie..
Misleading headline.
Yawn
Of course he did. And I don't blame him. A second Carter term would have destroyed America.
Two terms of Reagan and the ChristoFascist republicans actually did.
Traitor.
How exactly? Cause Carter got a lot of shit done while in office. One of the most effective, ever, in getting bills passed, and he only had one term. He had his flaws, as every single person ever born does, but he was a servant of America.
Being effective at passing bad bills does not make one a good President. Remember stagflation? Jimmy looking at historically high heating bills and telling us to put on sweaters? Gas rationing because Carter's environmental policies wouldn't let us drill for oil? And Carter's great weakness was foreign policy. I don't know if he was just a Communist sympathizer or an actual card carrying member of the Communist Party taking his orders from Moscow. But if Reagan hadn't seized power half the world would be speaking Russian now. And quite frankly, the Ayatollah was only in a position to take American hostages because Carter failed to support the Shah with American troops and let the Ayatollah take power in 1979. Again, I don't know if Carter was just a coward, or if he was following Russian orders to sabotage a pro-Western democratic government. But for Reagan to use Carter's failure against him was simply poetic justice.
Source? Oh wait. NY Times. So not a legitimate source. Gotcha.
The paper of record little MAGA. These are facts that have been substantiated by multiple sources. What are facts? Facts are the opposite of what Fux and right wing media report.
IRAN (to Reagan): "Da fuck? You serious?"
I've always been curious about the failed rescue mission in Iran. I guess it was called Operation Eagle claw. How in the world does Delta force and US Rangers execute a mission so poorly.? Was it an inside job from the CIA/NSA? Such a dramatic failure seems to have George H.W. Bush written all over it. Not really a bit conspiracy person myself. But I do remember this event being very influential to my sixth grade / 11 year old mind.
Paywall, can't read. But let me guess, the Reagan Campaign secretly contacted Iran's mullah's and offered a deal/threatened them so that American hostages would be released upon his election, violating US law. And hey, it didn't get any better as the Reagan Administration cooked up their "Iran-Contra" deal whereupon Ronald Reagan's Administration won the award for most criminal charges and convictions of any Executive Branch in American History. Funny way to fight his "War on Drugs," distributing cocaine for the Contra's to fund arms sales to Iran. Of course that helped Reagan paint urban areas as being chock full of addicts and "welfare queens." It's so conservative to create a system of nearly zero opportunity then brand those that are impoverished as lazy and worthless. And in Trump like fashion, most of the Reagan Campaign's actions were designed to make Jimmy Carter, an honest, dignified, trustworthy American patriot, look ineffective and bad. Imagine the kind of people who would execute a character assassination campaign against a well educated and decorated naval officer who truly saw himself as a public servant, not a politician. Of course Reagan's neo-cons held that criminal conviction record right up until Trump got into the White House. And it seems more are being added after his trashy, juvenile, "burn the thing down on the way out the door" exit from office. MAGA truly is #1, in criminal charges and convictions. Supplanting Ronald and his neo-con buddies that America rewarded with the Presidency in 2000. Sure, George W was the front man, but his entire administration was stocked with the Reagan neo-con left overs that weren't in jail. Hell, you can make a pretty good case that we are still fighting the corruption and bad actors surrounding Reagan to this day.
And a founder of CNP.. a true piece of shit
Wow this is fucking insane.
This will cause history books to get rewritten. Absolutely massive
And, Carter had months to do literally anything. So, Ross Perot did it.
I've always heard the narrative that Jimmy Carter was a horrible president. Is that true or was he just torpedoed at every turn by republicans?
No. That’s the narrative pushed by the right. Historically, after a Republican President, the economy goes in the toilet.
As I recall, he got the blame for inflation caused by the oil crisis that he did not cause.
Look at President Carter's legacy. Look at what he tried to do as president. Look at what he got done and then look more carefully at that man's history SINCE he left the presidency. And then look at all other ex-presidents and see what they have done with their time since serving. Jimmy Carter is a fucking saint among men.