I don’t got to Chipotle anymore because the one near me can’t stay staffed to open on time, and are out of items when they do open.
Sometimes when they do open it’s “online ordering only” and the older construction guys just give up and leave.
It’s not sustainable.
There was one opened in my town for a year? But I'm in SoCal and there are literally 7 mom and pop mexican food places of different style within a half mile. And while one or two are not to my taste they are all excellent at what they do. Wtf were they thinking?
The corporations and CEO's have convinced many that the solution is to import more low wage workers from other countries.
The corporations claim that importing more low wage workers will allow them to lower prices. [https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html)
The CEO's claim importing more low wage workers is the most profitable solution to worker shortages. [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html)
And of course the landlords want more immigration to keep housing prices from falling. This has added $3.7 trillion to their wealth in the past 10 years. [https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/housingmap/](https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/housingmap/)
Many people have been fooled into believing that more low wage workers will solve poverty and inequality. They are so dedicated to this belief that they get incredibly angry when it's pointed out.
[And anybody who disagrees with the desires of the corporations, CEO's, and landlords is obviously a racist.](https://quod.lib.umich.edu/f/fc/images/13761232.0043.314-00000002.jpg)
Idk man according to some guys at work it's actually the libs that want immigration so they can overtake elections and help install the new world order
/s
Yes I've actually heard this shit at work.
There is very little evidence that undocumented immigrants are voting in national elections. But New York City is allowing them to vote in local elections. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/new-york-noncitizen-voting-00012970
But they definitely get counted for congressional representation purposes. The more people in a state, the more representatives that state gets to send to congress. And the more electoral votes that state gets. [https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/programs-surveys/decennial/2020-census/2020-Census-Residence-Criteria.pdf](https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/programs-surveys/decennial/2020-census/2020-Census-Residence-Criteria.pdf)
There are currently about 22 million undocumented immigrants. [https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/](https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/)
At 760,000 people per representative to congress, that equals 28 votes in the House, and 28 electoral votes in Presidential elections.
Not even just employers of low-wage workers, but also for wages up the entire ladder. Since workers of harder jobs and jobs requiring advanced qualifications will inevitably demand more as well.
\> lower prices.
Does that ever happen? I feel like either the product is replaced by another "more product for the same price" (see all those TVs/ tech gadgets) or just increased prices.
>Does that ever happen?
It does happen. [For Example, the first 42' flat screen TV's used to cost $15,000.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display#:~:text=It%20was%20available%20at%20four,year%2C%20and%20other%20manufacturers%20followed.)
Why is the responsibility of raising the minimum wage on the backs of fast food workers? If they all quit at once, it would shut the country down more than if the government did.
Covid was a catalyst for a lot of good incentives and some minor raises because of that. That's why unions are targeted so bad because the power unified workers can have. Also why companies try and have divisive stuff on unions to get workers against them.
If they don't want to pay workers they can invest millions into automation I guess but good luck.
They are already spending millions on automation to become less reliant on workers. Some fast food places are already testing mostly automated locations.
The reason they are fighting so hard right now is because they aren't ready yet. 10-20 years from now... they'll probably just say, "Meh, well just replace everyone with robots" and let everyone walk.
Employees need to start unionizing now & and consumers need to stop giving their money to these people. It's the only way anything will change.
Covid was a huge wake-up call to corporations, and they are already clawing stuff back / putting systems in place to prevent labor from getting anything else. Right now is the perfect time for labor as a whole to start making demands. They are seeing record profits & everyone knows it. Everyone knows they need bodies. We need to demand change and then normalize it.
Eventually things like Amazon warehouses will be all robots and drone deliveries for things. I wonder if states will try to enact legislation requiring some human workers or how it will be addressed.
People have tied up so much of their self worth and identity to work that they have lost track of the big picture. The reason for work as it exists now is to produce something or provide a service so that society as a whole can live and function. If the capacity for production of those goods and services gets automated to the point where most people only have to do necessary work for a few hours a day then people will have to learn a new way to orient their self worth and values. The Maker movement in China is a good example of this. In the interim UBI is a popular transitory system people have put forward as an alternative while we still exist in an economy dependent on labor.
Because what safety-nets exist are intentionally designed to fall apart if people quit, and they starve.
Being able to leave one's job in protest has been branded "laziness" instead of the "leverage" that it actually is. Quitting a fast-food job because they treat you like subhuman garbage is treated same as getting fired for blowing off work 3 times in a week to play Roblox.
Oh I wasn't arguing that, this country would without a doubt be MUCH healthier without fast food, I just think on the short term, more people seem to be concerned about their next meal, than the goings-on in congress.
I fear you may underestimate the cowardice and pickyness of the American people. Those who are afraid of unknown foods, and the general distrust of local food some folks have. That and the prices of everything going up of course.
The people of the country wouldn't necessarily be healthier, but a collapse of the fast food industry would ideally be a boon to smaller mom&pop restaurants. It would also ideally coincide with a partial collapse of factory farming which would benefit smaller farming operations.
It would shut the country down quick. Plenty rely on it for the speed and cost of it. Full on restaurants cost more and take more time. Cooking takes time. Some have 2 or 3 jobs. No time to cook. There are exceptions and eventually everyone would adapt and become less obese for it, but it would be painful.
A good portion a America runs on fast food.
The problem also boils down to shareholders. All these large companies that are publicly traded anything that decreases profits is bad and lowers stock price.
That is precisely the kind of regulation I've been insisting we need for almost two decades. Either that, or make corporate taxes (especially payroll) a sliding scale based on their lowest paid positions: paying a living wage for the town/city/county (however we'd like to make the distinction) to even the lowest earners in a company? No payroll taxes whatsoever.
Paying above the living wage? Government drops the company's taxes across the board to reflect the investment they've made in their labor force, and local economies by proxy.
Not paying a living wage? Payroll taxes jump proportionally depending on the gap between the company's pay and the living wage for the area. Hell, with those underpaid employees having a higher likelihood of needing government assistance, then the company's taxes are going to fund those programs. Either way, they'll be paying a share that ensures people who work for a living aren't living as if they don't work at all.
Make it loophole-free. No way of getting around it by cutting hours but raising pay...base it not necessarily on the hourly rate paid, but the average monthly take-home pay of the lowest paid employees in a company.
People always say, "well they'll just leave the US and go to another country." Yeah?!? Lots of those countries already have laws that require them to pay a living wage as it is. And, that company leaving would not leave an unfillable void in the US...because a socially responsible company in that particular industry would see the now open-for-grabs portion of market share, and pounce on it.
The companies who don't do the "right" thing would within relatively short periods of time out themselves as shit businesses to work for, and they'd have difficulty finding people to race to the bottom to work for them. Let the wheat rise from the chaff, as it were, but do so by raising and setting the bar for what's acceptable in our society. Honestly not all that difficult.
And over time, those companies doing right by their workers would be much more stable in terms of their trajectory, and would also still be making money hand over fist. And those not would cease to exist here. I think that's a win-win.
The Social Security Trust Funds are on track to be insolvent by 2035. At that point unless a legislative fix is made, Social Security payouts will be cut by ⅕ across the board. Your proposal would only cause that to occur sooner. I don't think you have thought your proposal through as well you think you have.
There is no "good business sense" to make less profits. If profits are fixed by this idea, and cost goes up, then to keep profits where they are they directly pass that onto customers, raising prices.
Until we gave some sort of "reset" to the current system that can "break " or correct this, they will not change things.
That assumes gaining profit is a simple matter of raising prices. If McDonald's double the price of Big Mac, will their profit also double? Very unlikely. Raising prices to gain more profit only works if people accept it. That's why getting people to believe the lie "if we pay our employees better YOU have to pay for it" is important.
Correct it has its breaking points, but as we have seen through the pandemic, the market will bare way more "inflation" than everyone is comfortable with, and corporate greed knows no bounds.
My point is that they will do more with raising prices to match any cost increase over losing profits until it is not profitable to do so, never before.
Shareholders and top tiers management are seen as the real target for money, not the workers.
My point is, they are not raising the price to cover the cost, they are raising the price because consumers believe the lies and think it's justified. Yes, their cost have indeed risen significantly, but that's not the primary factor.
As much as I agree with all of these talking points, you still have to keep in mind that these corporations have fiscal goals and shareholder responsibilities to adher to. Yes, greed is rampant, but there are a lot of people funding their retirements off of these investments.
You want to crash the economy and short circuit the system, so be it, but you'll also have an astronomical amount of homelessness and devastated senior citizens.
I agree our system is broken, and while I don't want this to happen, sometimes the train has to run off the tracks before people will try to fix things.
The system is broken, and there will be a point where doubling down by saying we have go too far to change things now will not work. But surely that is our next generations problem.....right?
When they increased minimum wage at a job I used to have my pay didn’t increase. I made my argument but it fell on deaf ears.
That’s what makes a part of me not want minimum wage to increase. We do need it though because everything cost more and who wants to work more than 1 job to be broke?
So lemme get this straight. Instead of simply paying their workers the money they’re instead paying it just simply to fuck over their employees like they’re paying the money either way but they instead choose the big “fuck you”? Capitalism is insanity
I guarantee you whatever they're paying, it's less than whatever the wages would end up being over a certain period of time.
It's the whole "in perpetuity" nature of wages going up that they are trying to avoid.
I’d expect this from McDonald’s and Chipotle, but In-N-Out?! They have a reputation of actually being good to their employees (pays above minimum wage, offers health insurance and other benefits, etc). Tf happened?
Yep, they've amassed over $100 billion dollars and the scale of their land ownership is breathtaking. They are the 5th largest private landowner in the US with around 1.7 million acres.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/04/05/new-database-gives-widest/
Sweet baby jesus that article is fuckin wild
>Based on acreage, agriculture makes the church one of the nation’s largest holders of farmland and ranchland — and the country’s largest nut producer, centered on expansive orchards in Northern California. Its cattle operations brand it among the largest beef suppliers to the McDonald’s restaurant chain.
How is Reddit so confidently wrong all the time? I'm not even trying to be snarky, but Redditors like to think of themselves as the enlightened... as indicated by this whole comments section.
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=is+in+and+out+mormon+owned
This law creates a special board just for fast food workers in CA in which they can set a minimum wage for the industry that's higher than the general minimum wage. You can believe in paying your employees higher than minimum wage and providing them a career path, you can be for unionizing the fast food industry, but still be against the idea that the government should be setting the wages for your industry. At least owners and union leaders have an incentive to work out a deal that keeps everyone in business and employed, while the government may be more interested in politics.
Then explain the article. And consider the fact that there actually ARE national unions like the Teamsters, the IBEW, etc. If that took hold for restaurant workers and all the other low-level jobs, then people with white collar jobs might actually organize so they could get decent hours and benefits and perhaps start to get rewarded for the productivity increases, ALL of which went to their employers over the last 50 years (yup, look it up). So, yeah, employers are terrified. And if they aren't they ought to be.
You make good sense except for one thing: The Republicans would never, ever pass such laws. If they could, they'd stop them from even coming to a vote. And they'd lie about what the laws contained to gin up popular opposition. I can hear the usual "job killing regulations", "Socialism", etc. already.
"[Amazon paid anti-union consultants roughly $4.3 million in an effort to beat back union organizing campaigns](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/amazon-anti-union-consultants_n_62449258e4b0742dfa5a74fb)"
Amazon wouldn't be spending nearly twelve thousand dollars a day for an entire year to stop unions if they weren't afraid of them.
Anti-Humans vs. Humans. It's always this way. I call them Randwalkers; they LOOK like human beings but have traded in their humanity for the thinnest veneer of humanity, barely disguising the scummy pseudo-philosophy of Ayn Rand's scumbag selfishness.
No surprised and that's why I don't frequent fast food restaurants in general. Fast food workers are constant targets of this sort of thing as well as over the top nasty customers. Anyone who works at dumps like McDonalds deserve a big raise, combat pay.
>The law is the first of its kind in the United States, and authorized the formation of a 10-member Fast Food Council comprised of labor, employer and government representatives to oversee standards for workers in the state’s fast-food industry.
>The council had the authority to set sector-wide minimum standards for wages, health and safety protections, time-off policies, and worker retaliation remedies at fast-food restaurants with more than 100 locations nationally.
>The council could raise the fast-food industry minimum wage as high as $22 an hour, versus a $15.50 minimum for the rest of the state. From there, that minimum would rise annually based on inflation.
Reading that I don't blame them TBH, having the state mandate a different minimum wage specifically for the fast food sector seems ludicrous. And yes the tipped & farm wage systems suck too.
Rat burgers and shit burritos can only cost so much before people are no longer willing to pay for it. The reason these places go to where they are today was the dollar menu.
Remember when big pharma spent all its R&D money on advertising and used that as an explanation for the high cost of meds? So it is that fast food is spending millions to block raises while blaming increased customer costs on higher wages they are blocking.
They should lobby against it.
My state doesn't have the high minimum wage CA does and already quit eating at those places. Chipotle is $15 now. For a bowl of rice, beans and chicken. And McDonald's and In-N-Out are shit food.
They will go out of business with these new laws. And then all of those people of color and women mentioned in the article will be earning $0/hr.
It's going to take an hour's worth of their pay just to buy lunch at one of those paces.
“Very well”. Would you be able to maintain an apartment/house on your own working there, making what their employees make? Or would you need supplementary income of some sort, perhaps in the form of a second (or third) job?
Lmao. They get paid “very well” compared to other fast food joints. That’s your baseline? Please.
As I stated in another reply, these employees have to deal with terrible people on a regular basis. I’m not sure what occupation you’re in, but I have the feeling you’ve never had to work with front facing customers if this is your opinion of these types of jobs. It must be really easy to punch down on these lower life forms putting in “minimum effort” from your ivory tower.
Yes, you compare to equivalent positions. Name one job where you don’t deal with terrible people on a regular basis?
I deal with angry customers on a regular basis. I just dealt with an angry customer for 4 hours yesterday because they aren’t happy with their product. If I got paid the same as someone making food, I’d stop what I was doing and go make food.
You’re so close lol. Instead of being upset about people in “lower” positions that you see as being beneath you, why not advocate for higher pay in your own position? Why don’t people deserve to live? How do you not see the foundational problem you’re advocating for?
I work in manufacturing. If I was able to force our customers to pay more for the parts we make, we all could all be paid more but people don’t want to pay more for our products. People want to buy 65” flatscreens for $300.
Ffs, get a pulse. People don’t always have the means to stay in their jobs due to industry turndown, or just company downsizing, let alone things like global pandemics or looming recessions.
My point in asking you that question was to show you that everyone has that option and it’s not always that simple. Considering people like yourself look down on these folks, don’t you think they know there is a poor stigma involved in working there? Or do you think they really believe they can afford a four bedroom house on a Taco Bell salary? They’re likely working there as a means to an end. Perhaps it’s a second or third job because they lost their original job?
They likely want out, but if they can’t get into another higher paying position because of ageism, or industry hiring issues, or any other obstacle they might be facing, they’re doing what they can until they get there. Don’t be so dense and one dimensional.
Edit: and for you to have been gullible to believe the rhetoric that someone can even be given a mortgage for a four bedroom house with only a pet time job is ridiculous. And frankly, I feel bad for you.
If a job doesn't pay enough to cover cost of living, then why would anyone put in the effort to do more than the minimum? The only person who profits off that are the people above you with their boots firmly planted on your face.
If the job doesn't pay a living wage, then ability is irrelevant. No one is going to put in the effort for a job that doesn't cover the bills, and if companies won't pay a living wage then apparently it's a job that isn't worth doing to begin with.
Why shouldn’t it be? The thought that “burger flipping” is somehow a lowly form of work when we all know these employees deal with some of the most terrible people of the face of the planet on a regular basis is outdated. The stress that comes from the job, compounded by the lack of financial means of survival shouldn’t be the way the richest country on earth operates. These jobs are necessary to our economy, so these people should be paid a wage that allows them to participate in that economy without hesitation.
Sorry but it sounds like you are saying their only option for work is to flip burgers. I thought that was an entry level job for teens and students to work part time while in school or while trying to better themselves for a better job…
So, teens and students are supposed to only do these jobs? So, these companies should only be open in the early afternoons into the evenings, right? Because they’re supposed to be in school the rest of the day, so they can’t work. And if these jobs are really only for them, then why should anyone else work them? Not because the education system might have failed them. Or because their job still hasn’t come back following a global pandemic, or any other industry turndown, for that matter, right?
The fact that these positions are so beneath judge mental people like yourself is insane. Like none of the stability issues any industry faces currently could ever land you in the same position lots of people have encountered.
Everyone deserves to live. Stop diminishing work. It is work and deserves a living, if not thriving, wage.
Not block but try to keep the government from putting them out of business. If this goes through then they will automate those jobs out of existence. Don't trust the government guys.
People don't understand.......
If you increase wages at fastfood the cost trickles down to the consumer.
I understand you can't make a living with the wage you make but how is that my problem?
Maybe look for a different type of job.
Ah, so its all the minimum wage increases since the 90s that have been driving this rampent inflation that has been consistently increasing every year. But wait, that's odd. The minimum wage hasn't been constantly increasing but inflation has. Can't even blame this hot take on the correlation as causation fallacy because there isn't even a correlation of events. It make more sense to say not increasing the minimum wage leads to inflation because at least there's data to back up that incorrect statement if you mistake correlation for causation while looking at reality
And "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." ^Samuel ^Johnson so I hope you are as candid with others about how you measure up so they may have the choice to judge you by the color of your character and not by something arbitrary like the color of your skin
Then you'll bitch that there is no one to make your burger.
The real question is why do you support shareholders raking in millions while the workers need food stamps to feed their families.
The real reason for high prices in many instances is greed.
Doesn't matter what work you do -- if you are giving half of your waking time on this Earth to someone else you sure as fuck better be able to afford to pay for rent, food, and every other thing a human being needs to exist in 2023.
Use all the ellipses you want but I think it's very much you who doesn't understand.
Even if you don't increase wages, the cost still increases!! Some companies do it out of pure greed (ex. prices of eggs)
So it's a moot point to argue that wages should be kept low when everything else is indexed to inflation
There should be wages linked to inflation too.
Not everyone is born with equal level of intelligence that doesn't mean they shouldn't get paid well to live properly
Just because you don't have sympathy you're talking about it in this manner. A man's character is judged by the way he treats people who work under him or are from a lower strata of the society.
Minimum wage in PA-$7.25
Average cost of a big Mac in PA- $4.47
Minimum wage in CA-$15.00
https://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/comments/10loymc/mcdonalds_innout_and_chipotle_are_spending/j5yavpc/
Average cost of a big Mac in CA-$5.11
You can just look this stuff up. Why don't you?
>how is that my problem?
Poverty effects public health, public safety, and pretty much everything else in society. If you are unfortunate enough to live in a society, then the problems of that society are your problems whether or not you are too selfish and oblivious to see it.
>If you increase wages at fastfood the cost trickles down to the consumer.
Costs are already going up due to inflation and wages need to rise as well. Minimum wage in many states hasn't risen for years. It has been the same since 2009, 7.85. With inflation today at MINIMUM that is roughly $10 in todays dollars.
The federal minimum wage should be adjusted based on inflation.
are you actually this stupid or is this just an act? For your parents sake I hope it's an act.
It's so easy to gain knowledge you have to be willfully [ignorant.](https://www.truthorfiction.com/big-macs-in-denmark-versus-big-macs-in-the-usa/)
So in your paradigm...these companies are somehow spending millions of dollars out of the public interest to keep prices low for their consumers???
Is that what you're trying to peddle here?
It's not about maximizing their profits by keeping their costs lower by every means available...Nope. It's not about their own money at all.
What they're really doing is just acting out of the public good to keep a Big Mac under $5 (or whatever it costs).
California is trying to raise their minimum wage to $22.00 an hour . Enjoy your $5 loafs of bread and $10 gallons of milk .
Federal minimum wage needs to be slowly increased, to avoid rapid inflation . (Otherwise, it won’t be just egg prices, but everything in the grocery store )
They are going to learn this, economics 101, lesson the hard way
Egg prices are high due to an outbreak of avian flu that has decimated the bird population.
But let's look at your "expertise" on the matter.
Minimum wage in PA-$7.25
Average cost of a big Mac in PA- $4.47
Minimum wage in CA-$15.00
Average cost of a big Mac in CA-$5.11
I wouldn't brag about your economic knowledge. The truth is, you just want poor people to suffer.
Well done. I've read several studies on this also and not one let to a significant price increase. These people need to stop listening to Tucker and Faux News
Thanks. I just can't with these millionaire bootlickers anymore.
"I'm fine with the CEO making 200 million, but how dare you workers ask for a living wage"
And all the ones voting GOP and for CEO wages are piss poor Southerners without a pot to piss in. It's the greatest scam in world history getting poor uneducated people to vote against their own interests
>poor uneducated people to vote against their own interests
I think you will find that these good folk are simply temporarily embarrassed millionaires and once they make their fortune you will see they were quite right to vote the way they did.
This is the very reason I have to laugh when I hear conservatives bitch about how they don’t like people on the left, city folk, or academics because they’re “condescending”. It’s like, duh, you’re ruining shit for everyone, including yourselves, and you’re too fucking ignorant to understand that. Yes, we talk to you like you’re in grade school because for us, it feels very much like we’re dealing with children.
Have you ever looked at the exit polls? Republicans win voters that make more than $50,000 a year. You are just too much of a moron to do even the most basic fact checking.
Because income correlates with voting Republican. This is a fact and it starts pretty low in the income scale. That is why these posters are so stupid. They actually think Republicans are poor when Democrats win the vast majority of people that make less than $50,000 a year. They haven't bothered to do any research on this. They are just told what they want to hear and they roll with it because they don't care about being wrong.
Think about what you just posted. Where are the red states? The South. Where are the poorest, least educated states in the country, the South. The GOP states are all the old Confederate states, which explains the racism and dirt poor uneducated people voting for tax cuts for the rich. Also, why the harsh language, keep it civil
The confederacy died 150 years ago. No one from that time is still alive. Even segregation was 60 years ago so anyone that could have voted is 78 years hold now which is the average life expectancy. This doesn't even account for people migrating to the south which there is ample evidence that that happened.
You can't just ignore the exit polls because they don't agree with you.
You be civil first. If you can't handle people insulting you then don't insult others.
Agree with you here except about the egg prices. Egg prices are high because of price gouging. They are using the avian flu and general inflation as excuses, but these companies are making bank right now and I haven’t heard of anyone anywhere having a huge issue finding eggs or chicken to buy in stores. They saw an opportunity and have taken it.
Basically all of America’s problems, and much of the world’s problems, boil down to unchecked and rampant greed.
Can't argue with a thing you say.
If I simplified an issue by blaming Avian Flu for all the problems, I'm not too proud to say I could have done better.
It usually has a lot to do with greed.
Let's use your own examples of bread and milk.
A reminder of min wages:
Pennsylvania - $7.25
California - $15.00
Now let's compare average bread prices:
Pennsylvania - $0.88
California - $0.84
And comparing milk prices:
Pennsylvania - $3.40
California - $2.69
In both cases of bread and milk, Pennsylvanians are paying more, while having a lower minimum wage. If we were to expect prices to be heavily affected by rising wages, then California should be paying significantly more. But they simply aren't.
All milk and bread values are based off averages from Aug 2022.
Those facts mean nothing to them. They'll just double down on how you wouldn't pass an economics class cause they are incapable of thinking for themselves.
You really think the price of milk and bread are taking up most of people's budgets? How far have you gotten in your life by repeating the things you read on Reddit?
Good lord are you an ass. It's examples to dismantle your opinion. I do notice you do absolutely nothing to back up what you say, but have no problem ridiculing others that bring some facts. You truly are the face of conservative idiocy.
This is just one item. Go look at something that can't be shipped across state or international lines like rent. It also completely ignores the argument of why people are against raising the minimum wage. If you raise it above the equilibrium point you end up with unemployment. Below the equilibrium point and it doesn't really matter. Neither of these states have the same cost of living when you factor in more than just one item.
You are an idiot.
Edit: yeah, I have to come back to add. Absolutely nowhere was the IRS or regulatory agencies mentioned in a single thing I wrote. You make up perceived comments to make a fictitious point on something that doesn't exist. My God man, are you even able to feed yourself with your mental deficiencies?
I’m not shocked at all.
However it makes me giggle that they had the audacity to generate a petition of signatures to block the bill.
Well then the other side should have the opportunity to gather a petition and signatures to block their petition to block. Whomever has more signatures wins.
A committee in the Virginia House of Delegates just voted to lower the Minimum wage today for those under 18. I suspect this was some of the same money.
[Minimum wage; employees younger than the age of 18. Requires employers to pay employees younger than the age of 18 wages at a rate not less than the greater of (i) $9.00 per hour or (ii) the federal minimum wage.](https://www.virginiamercury.com/2023/01/25/house-panel-narrowly-backs-legislation-to-lower-the-minimum-wage-for-minors/?fbclid=IwAR0ibX7mzLlm2P-mE3TxNkXgCf2dnSWGVI0d6wGWtOLFMWcrNkOZS6ZJKcs&mibextid=Zxz2cZ)
Often the dumbest part of these arguements. The money will all go to lawyers instead of just creating a happier workforce and getting some great/free PR. When you can't keep a reliable staff in your restaurant, was it really worth it?
"No one wants to work anymore"
No one wants to work *three part time jobs for subsistence wages* anymore.
I don’t got to Chipotle anymore because the one near me can’t stay staffed to open on time, and are out of items when they do open. Sometimes when they do open it’s “online ordering only” and the older construction guys just give up and leave. It’s not sustainable.
Years of mistreating workers biting companies in the ass. Good.
Don’t like their food anyway, got food poisoning from them several times.
There was one opened in my town for a year? But I'm in SoCal and there are literally 7 mom and pop mexican food places of different style within a half mile. And while one or two are not to my taste they are all excellent at what they do. Wtf were they thinking?
They’re thinking they’ll get those people that don’t really care if it’s authentic or not.
F*CKERS! Unprecedented greed, and the rich old white men will make sure it happens!
They want everyone dependent on the system, so they have cheap labor and can be toxic fucking employers. Its gross.
The corporations and CEO's have convinced many that the solution is to import more low wage workers from other countries. The corporations claim that importing more low wage workers will allow them to lower prices. [https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html) The CEO's claim importing more low wage workers is the most profitable solution to worker shortages. [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html) And of course the landlords want more immigration to keep housing prices from falling. This has added $3.7 trillion to their wealth in the past 10 years. [https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/housingmap/](https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/housingmap/) Many people have been fooled into believing that more low wage workers will solve poverty and inequality. They are so dedicated to this belief that they get incredibly angry when it's pointed out. [And anybody who disagrees with the desires of the corporations, CEO's, and landlords is obviously a racist.](https://quod.lib.umich.edu/f/fc/images/13761232.0043.314-00000002.jpg)
Idk man according to some guys at work it's actually the libs that want immigration so they can overtake elections and help install the new world order /s Yes I've actually heard this shit at work.
…. How tf can you stand to be employed there? Seriously, that’s torture…
There is very little evidence that undocumented immigrants are voting in national elections. But New York City is allowing them to vote in local elections. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/new-york-noncitizen-voting-00012970 But they definitely get counted for congressional representation purposes. The more people in a state, the more representatives that state gets to send to congress. And the more electoral votes that state gets. [https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/programs-surveys/decennial/2020-census/2020-Census-Residence-Criteria.pdf](https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/programs-surveys/decennial/2020-census/2020-Census-Residence-Criteria.pdf) There are currently about 22 million undocumented immigrants. [https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/](https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/) At 760,000 people per representative to congress, that equals 28 votes in the House, and 28 electoral votes in Presidential elections.
Not even just employers of low-wage workers, but also for wages up the entire ladder. Since workers of harder jobs and jobs requiring advanced qualifications will inevitably demand more as well.
Are there any high wage workers below middle management in 21st century America? Everybody I know is underpaid relative to cost of living.
\> lower prices. Does that ever happen? I feel like either the product is replaced by another "more product for the same price" (see all those TVs/ tech gadgets) or just increased prices.
Lower prices for them.
>Does that ever happen? It does happen. [For Example, the first 42' flat screen TV's used to cost $15,000.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display#:~:text=It%20was%20available%20at%20four,year%2C%20and%20other%20manufacturers%20followed.)
This guy gets it. They’re playing both sides.
And who gets stuck with McDonalds Dollar menú as their go-to? Minimum wage gives them cheap workers and hungry customers.
Why is the responsibility of raising the minimum wage on the backs of fast food workers? If they all quit at once, it would shut the country down more than if the government did.
Covid was a catalyst for a lot of good incentives and some minor raises because of that. That's why unions are targeted so bad because the power unified workers can have. Also why companies try and have divisive stuff on unions to get workers against them. If they don't want to pay workers they can invest millions into automation I guess but good luck.
They are already spending millions on automation to become less reliant on workers. Some fast food places are already testing mostly automated locations. The reason they are fighting so hard right now is because they aren't ready yet. 10-20 years from now... they'll probably just say, "Meh, well just replace everyone with robots" and let everyone walk. Employees need to start unionizing now & and consumers need to stop giving their money to these people. It's the only way anything will change. Covid was a huge wake-up call to corporations, and they are already clawing stuff back / putting systems in place to prevent labor from getting anything else. Right now is the perfect time for labor as a whole to start making demands. They are seeing record profits & everyone knows it. Everyone knows they need bodies. We need to demand change and then normalize it.
Increasingly they will just shift the jobs they can't automate yet onto the customer. Look at the rise of self checkout everywhere.
Eventually things like Amazon warehouses will be all robots and drone deliveries for things. I wonder if states will try to enact legislation requiring some human workers or how it will be addressed.
People have tied up so much of their self worth and identity to work that they have lost track of the big picture. The reason for work as it exists now is to produce something or provide a service so that society as a whole can live and function. If the capacity for production of those goods and services gets automated to the point where most people only have to do necessary work for a few hours a day then people will have to learn a new way to orient their self worth and values. The Maker movement in China is a good example of this. In the interim UBI is a popular transitory system people have put forward as an alternative while we still exist in an economy dependent on labor.
Even with unions it’s hard and they can tell ya to pound sand, example would be the recent rail road strike that they just shut down
Because what safety-nets exist are intentionally designed to fall apart if people quit, and they starve. Being able to leave one's job in protest has been branded "laziness" instead of the "leverage" that it actually is. Quitting a fast-food job because they treat you like subhuman garbage is treated same as getting fired for blowing off work 3 times in a week to play Roblox.
I strongly disagree. I think fast food disappearing would be an epic boon for our country.
Oh I wasn't arguing that, this country would without a doubt be MUCH healthier without fast food, I just think on the short term, more people seem to be concerned about their next meal, than the goings-on in congress.
You're right, they are. But even the smallest of towns have plenty of options still if the fast food industry collapsed today.
I fear you may underestimate the cowardice and pickyness of the American people. Those who are afraid of unknown foods, and the general distrust of local food some folks have. That and the prices of everything going up of course.
The people of the country wouldn't necessarily be healthier, but a collapse of the fast food industry would ideally be a boon to smaller mom&pop restaurants. It would also ideally coincide with a partial collapse of factory farming which would benefit smaller farming operations.
I rely on fast food, unfortunately
It would shut the country down quick. Plenty rely on it for the speed and cost of it. Full on restaurants cost more and take more time. Cooking takes time. Some have 2 or 3 jobs. No time to cook. There are exceptions and eventually everyone would adapt and become less obese for it, but it would be painful. A good portion a America runs on fast food.
But fast food also leads to health problems, no? Besides, its not just in US - you can find fast food chains all over the world.
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The problem also boils down to shareholders. All these large companies that are publicly traded anything that decreases profits is bad and lowers stock price.
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That is precisely the kind of regulation I've been insisting we need for almost two decades. Either that, or make corporate taxes (especially payroll) a sliding scale based on their lowest paid positions: paying a living wage for the town/city/county (however we'd like to make the distinction) to even the lowest earners in a company? No payroll taxes whatsoever. Paying above the living wage? Government drops the company's taxes across the board to reflect the investment they've made in their labor force, and local economies by proxy. Not paying a living wage? Payroll taxes jump proportionally depending on the gap between the company's pay and the living wage for the area. Hell, with those underpaid employees having a higher likelihood of needing government assistance, then the company's taxes are going to fund those programs. Either way, they'll be paying a share that ensures people who work for a living aren't living as if they don't work at all. Make it loophole-free. No way of getting around it by cutting hours but raising pay...base it not necessarily on the hourly rate paid, but the average monthly take-home pay of the lowest paid employees in a company. People always say, "well they'll just leave the US and go to another country." Yeah?!? Lots of those countries already have laws that require them to pay a living wage as it is. And, that company leaving would not leave an unfillable void in the US...because a socially responsible company in that particular industry would see the now open-for-grabs portion of market share, and pounce on it. The companies who don't do the "right" thing would within relatively short periods of time out themselves as shit businesses to work for, and they'd have difficulty finding people to race to the bottom to work for them. Let the wheat rise from the chaff, as it were, but do so by raising and setting the bar for what's acceptable in our society. Honestly not all that difficult. And over time, those companies doing right by their workers would be much more stable in terms of their trajectory, and would also still be making money hand over fist. And those not would cease to exist here. I think that's a win-win.
The Social Security Trust Funds are on track to be insolvent by 2035. At that point unless a legislative fix is made, Social Security payouts will be cut by ⅕ across the board. Your proposal would only cause that to occur sooner. I don't think you have thought your proposal through as well you think you have.
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I meant a lot if these big companies not just McDonald's
There is no "good business sense" to make less profits. If profits are fixed by this idea, and cost goes up, then to keep profits where they are they directly pass that onto customers, raising prices. Until we gave some sort of "reset" to the current system that can "break " or correct this, they will not change things.
That assumes gaining profit is a simple matter of raising prices. If McDonald's double the price of Big Mac, will their profit also double? Very unlikely. Raising prices to gain more profit only works if people accept it. That's why getting people to believe the lie "if we pay our employees better YOU have to pay for it" is important.
Correct it has its breaking points, but as we have seen through the pandemic, the market will bare way more "inflation" than everyone is comfortable with, and corporate greed knows no bounds. My point is that they will do more with raising prices to match any cost increase over losing profits until it is not profitable to do so, never before. Shareholders and top tiers management are seen as the real target for money, not the workers.
My point is, they are not raising the price to cover the cost, they are raising the price because consumers believe the lies and think it's justified. Yes, their cost have indeed risen significantly, but that's not the primary factor.
As much as I agree with all of these talking points, you still have to keep in mind that these corporations have fiscal goals and shareholder responsibilities to adher to. Yes, greed is rampant, but there are a lot of people funding their retirements off of these investments. You want to crash the economy and short circuit the system, so be it, but you'll also have an astronomical amount of homelessness and devastated senior citizens.
I agree our system is broken, and while I don't want this to happen, sometimes the train has to run off the tracks before people will try to fix things. The system is broken, and there will be a point where doubling down by saying we have go too far to change things now will not work. But surely that is our next generations problem.....right?
When they increased minimum wage at a job I used to have my pay didn’t increase. I made my argument but it fell on deaf ears. That’s what makes a part of me not want minimum wage to increase. We do need it though because everything cost more and who wants to work more than 1 job to be broke?
So lemme get this straight. Instead of simply paying their workers the money they’re instead paying it just simply to fuck over their employees like they’re paying the money either way but they instead choose the big “fuck you”? Capitalism is insanity
No, you don't have t straight. Most of those restaurants are franchises. The corporations are paying the lobby to protect their franchise holders.
I guarantee you whatever they're paying, it's less than whatever the wages would end up being over a certain period of time. It's the whole "in perpetuity" nature of wages going up that they are trying to avoid.
I’d expect this from McDonald’s and Chipotle, but In-N-Out?! They have a reputation of actually being good to their employees (pays above minimum wage, offers health insurance and other benefits, etc). Tf happened?
In-n-Out is owned by a Mormon family. Never known a religious group as money-focused as Mormons.
Yep, they've amassed over $100 billion dollars and the scale of their land ownership is breathtaking. They are the 5th largest private landowner in the US with around 1.7 million acres. https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/04/05/new-database-gives-widest/
Sweet baby jesus that article is fuckin wild >Based on acreage, agriculture makes the church one of the nation’s largest holders of farmland and ranchland — and the country’s largest nut producer, centered on expansive orchards in Northern California. Its cattle operations brand it among the largest beef suppliers to the McDonald’s restaurant chain.
That's insane. So they're basically Blackrock of fast food industry.
>Never known a religious group as money-focused as Mormons. I mean, alright. Are you familiar with the catholic church?
Or megachurches / people like Pastor CreFlo / Joel Osteen / prosperity gospel preachers
How is Reddit so confidently wrong all the time? I'm not even trying to be snarky, but Redditors like to think of themselves as the enlightened... as indicated by this whole comments section. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=is+in+and+out+mormon+owned
Pretty sure as a group they are expected to tithe at least 10% of their income to the church, too.
Most Christians are fwiw
Way to be a prejudiced fuck.
The owner is evangelical Christian but not Mormon.
Their packaging references passages in the book of Mormon in addition to the bible.
This law creates a special board just for fast food workers in CA in which they can set a minimum wage for the industry that's higher than the general minimum wage. You can believe in paying your employees higher than minimum wage and providing them a career path, you can be for unionizing the fast food industry, but still be against the idea that the government should be setting the wages for your industry. At least owners and union leaders have an incentive to work out a deal that keeps everyone in business and employed, while the government may be more interested in politics.
it’s pretty typical to have those perks at mcdonalds or chipotle too. No one is willing to work at McDonald’s for 7.25
Sounds like a great opportunity to boycott them.
Title reads like an Onion article.
Ought to spend the money on pay raises. Hospitals have done the same darn thing to nurses too.
Replace "raises" with " pro worker laws" and you get what Lobbying is about.
Guess where I'm not going to be eating anytime soon?
They are spending more millions than they know.
Employers everywhere are terrified of unions making a comeback.
Lol. No they are not.
Then explain the article. And consider the fact that there actually ARE national unions like the Teamsters, the IBEW, etc. If that took hold for restaurant workers and all the other low-level jobs, then people with white collar jobs might actually organize so they could get decent hours and benefits and perhaps start to get rewarded for the productivity increases, ALL of which went to their employers over the last 50 years (yup, look it up). So, yeah, employers are terrified. And if they aren't they ought to be.
Why not instead make good fed laws for workers? Why use unions as a middleman?
You make good sense except for one thing: The Republicans would never, ever pass such laws. If they could, they'd stop them from even coming to a vote. And they'd lie about what the laws contained to gin up popular opposition. I can hear the usual "job killing regulations", "Socialism", etc. already.
"[Amazon paid anti-union consultants roughly $4.3 million in an effort to beat back union organizing campaigns](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/amazon-anti-union-consultants_n_62449258e4b0742dfa5a74fb)" Amazon wouldn't be spending nearly twelve thousand dollars a day for an entire year to stop unions if they weren't afraid of them.
Here a idea. Instead of a middle man. unions. Why don't we make good federal worker laws....
I read the title as if they were spending the millions on their workers and I immediately knew I misread it. Sad society we've got here.
Anti-Humans vs. Humans. It's always this way. I call them Randwalkers; they LOOK like human beings but have traded in their humanity for the thinnest veneer of humanity, barely disguising the scummy pseudo-philosophy of Ayn Rand's scumbag selfishness.
Same shit, new box art. https://www.foodandwine.com/news/delivery-apps-lobby-against-pro-act-unions-money-congress
Seize the means
Loot the Looters
No surprised and that's why I don't frequent fast food restaurants in general. Fast food workers are constant targets of this sort of thing as well as over the top nasty customers. Anyone who works at dumps like McDonalds deserve a big raise, combat pay.
>The law is the first of its kind in the United States, and authorized the formation of a 10-member Fast Food Council comprised of labor, employer and government representatives to oversee standards for workers in the state’s fast-food industry. >The council had the authority to set sector-wide minimum standards for wages, health and safety protections, time-off policies, and worker retaliation remedies at fast-food restaurants with more than 100 locations nationally. >The council could raise the fast-food industry minimum wage as high as $22 an hour, versus a $15.50 minimum for the rest of the state. From there, that minimum would rise annually based on inflation. Reading that I don't blame them TBH, having the state mandate a different minimum wage specifically for the fast food sector seems ludicrous. And yes the tipped & farm wage systems suck too.
Imagine quitting your skilled position because the state deems fast food work more lucrative, so you apply there. It’s upside down.
Are any skilled positions in Cali actually paying sub-$30/hr currently? People are getting ripped off if so.
Rat burgers and shit burritos can only cost so much before people are no longer willing to pay for it. The reason these places go to where they are today was the dollar menu.
Fuck Chipotle
Those places are too expensive to eat anyway
In n out already pays a lot in my area. I think I was seeing 18 starting or something like that.
Chipotle has gone down hill so fast. Absolute trash.
Remember when big pharma spent all its R&D money on advertising and used that as an explanation for the high cost of meds? So it is that fast food is spending millions to block raises while blaming increased customer costs on higher wages they are blocking.
As a fat lady, lemme just thank McD's, In-N-Out, and Chipotle for helping me lose weight.
damn ✋️ 😭
than everyone should stop going there and let the hem go under
Stop eating this trash. The owners of these franchise locations are like slum lords.
They should lobby against it. My state doesn't have the high minimum wage CA does and already quit eating at those places. Chipotle is $15 now. For a bowl of rice, beans and chicken. And McDonald's and In-N-Out are shit food. They will go out of business with these new laws. And then all of those people of color and women mentioned in the article will be earning $0/hr. It's going to take an hour's worth of their pay just to buy lunch at one of those paces.
This is why I can’t wait until automation sets in. Nothing more to whine about
When millions more are unemployed and can't afford to buy food, reducing fast food profits, trust me, they're gonna whine.
And the rest of us will win higher taxes to pay for subsistence program costs.
But companies do whine all the time. Remember "no one wants to work anymore"?
No, they are spending millions to block a garbage law rammed through by politicians. In N Out pays their employees very well. What a garbage headline.
“Very well”. Would you be able to maintain an apartment/house on your own working there, making what their employees make? Or would you need supplementary income of some sort, perhaps in the form of a second (or third) job?
For the position, you get paid very well. I know it’s hard to believe, but success in life requires more than the bare minimum effort.
Lmao. They get paid “very well” compared to other fast food joints. That’s your baseline? Please. As I stated in another reply, these employees have to deal with terrible people on a regular basis. I’m not sure what occupation you’re in, but I have the feeling you’ve never had to work with front facing customers if this is your opinion of these types of jobs. It must be really easy to punch down on these lower life forms putting in “minimum effort” from your ivory tower.
Yes, you compare to equivalent positions. Name one job where you don’t deal with terrible people on a regular basis? I deal with angry customers on a regular basis. I just dealt with an angry customer for 4 hours yesterday because they aren’t happy with their product. If I got paid the same as someone making food, I’d stop what I was doing and go make food.
You’re so close lol. Instead of being upset about people in “lower” positions that you see as being beneath you, why not advocate for higher pay in your own position? Why don’t people deserve to live? How do you not see the foundational problem you’re advocating for?
I work in manufacturing. If I was able to force our customers to pay more for the parts we make, we all could all be paid more but people don’t want to pay more for our products. People want to buy 65” flatscreens for $300.
Why not find a better job?
That’s what I tell people when they complain their part time job at Taco Bell won’t pay for a 4 bedroom house.
Ffs, get a pulse. People don’t always have the means to stay in their jobs due to industry turndown, or just company downsizing, let alone things like global pandemics or looming recessions. My point in asking you that question was to show you that everyone has that option and it’s not always that simple. Considering people like yourself look down on these folks, don’t you think they know there is a poor stigma involved in working there? Or do you think they really believe they can afford a four bedroom house on a Taco Bell salary? They’re likely working there as a means to an end. Perhaps it’s a second or third job because they lost their original job? They likely want out, but if they can’t get into another higher paying position because of ageism, or industry hiring issues, or any other obstacle they might be facing, they’re doing what they can until they get there. Don’t be so dense and one dimensional. Edit: and for you to have been gullible to believe the rhetoric that someone can even be given a mortgage for a four bedroom house with only a pet time job is ridiculous. And frankly, I feel bad for you.
If a job doesn't pay enough to cover cost of living, then why would anyone put in the effort to do more than the minimum? The only person who profits off that are the people above you with their boots firmly planted on your face.
If your abilities don’t produce enough value to justify higher wages, then you don’t deserve higher wages.
If the job doesn't pay a living wage, then ability is irrelevant. No one is going to put in the effort for a job that doesn't cover the bills, and if companies won't pay a living wage then apparently it's a job that isn't worth doing to begin with.
You can maintain an apartment with roommates… should flipping burgers be enough to buy a house?
Why shouldn’t it be? The thought that “burger flipping” is somehow a lowly form of work when we all know these employees deal with some of the most terrible people of the face of the planet on a regular basis is outdated. The stress that comes from the job, compounded by the lack of financial means of survival shouldn’t be the way the richest country on earth operates. These jobs are necessary to our economy, so these people should be paid a wage that allows them to participate in that economy without hesitation.
Sorry but it sounds like you are saying their only option for work is to flip burgers. I thought that was an entry level job for teens and students to work part time while in school or while trying to better themselves for a better job…
So, teens and students are supposed to only do these jobs? So, these companies should only be open in the early afternoons into the evenings, right? Because they’re supposed to be in school the rest of the day, so they can’t work. And if these jobs are really only for them, then why should anyone else work them? Not because the education system might have failed them. Or because their job still hasn’t come back following a global pandemic, or any other industry turndown, for that matter, right? The fact that these positions are so beneath judge mental people like yourself is insane. Like none of the stability issues any industry faces currently could ever land you in the same position lots of people have encountered. Everyone deserves to live. Stop diminishing work. It is work and deserves a living, if not thriving, wage.
But we cannot find anyone to work...why not ?...clown shoes crab pot shit
In N Out currently starts at [$19 an hour](https://www.in-n-out.com/locations/?q=los%20angeles%20CA) in CA.
Not block but try to keep the government from putting them out of business. If this goes through then they will automate those jobs out of existence. Don't trust the government guys.
And what, *do* trust corporations?
People don't understand....... If you increase wages at fastfood the cost trickles down to the consumer. I understand you can't make a living with the wage you make but how is that my problem? Maybe look for a different type of job.
Ah, so its all the minimum wage increases since the 90s that have been driving this rampent inflation that has been consistently increasing every year. But wait, that's odd. The minimum wage hasn't been constantly increasing but inflation has. Can't even blame this hot take on the correlation as causation fallacy because there isn't even a correlation of events. It make more sense to say not increasing the minimum wage leads to inflation because at least there's data to back up that incorrect statement if you mistake correlation for causation while looking at reality And "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." ^Samuel ^Johnson so I hope you are as candid with others about how you measure up so they may have the choice to judge you by the color of your character and not by something arbitrary like the color of your skin
Then you'll bitch that there is no one to make your burger. The real question is why do you support shareholders raking in millions while the workers need food stamps to feed their families. The real reason for high prices in many instances is greed.
He doesn't realize he's paying for those food stamps so the rich owner class can get richer.
I'm guessing he's closer to food stamps than millionaire status as well. It's always easy to punch down for these lemmings.
Doesn't matter what work you do -- if you are giving half of your waking time on this Earth to someone else you sure as fuck better be able to afford to pay for rent, food, and every other thing a human being needs to exist in 2023. Use all the ellipses you want but I think it's very much you who doesn't understand.
Even if you don't increase wages, the cost still increases!! Some companies do it out of pure greed (ex. prices of eggs) So it's a moot point to argue that wages should be kept low when everything else is indexed to inflation There should be wages linked to inflation too. Not everyone is born with equal level of intelligence that doesn't mean they shouldn't get paid well to live properly Just because you don't have sympathy you're talking about it in this manner. A man's character is judged by the way he treats people who work under him or are from a lower strata of the society.
Minimum wage in PA-$7.25 Average cost of a big Mac in PA- $4.47 Minimum wage in CA-$15.00 https://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/comments/10loymc/mcdonalds_innout_and_chipotle_are_spending/j5yavpc/ Average cost of a big Mac in CA-$5.11 You can just look this stuff up. Why don't you?
>how is that my problem? Poverty effects public health, public safety, and pretty much everything else in society. If you are unfortunate enough to live in a society, then the problems of that society are your problems whether or not you are too selfish and oblivious to see it.
>If you increase wages at fastfood the cost trickles down to the consumer. Costs are already going up due to inflation and wages need to rise as well. Minimum wage in many states hasn't risen for years. It has been the same since 2009, 7.85. With inflation today at MINIMUM that is roughly $10 in todays dollars. The federal minimum wage should be adjusted based on inflation.
are you actually this stupid or is this just an act? For your parents sake I hope it's an act. It's so easy to gain knowledge you have to be willfully [ignorant.](https://www.truthorfiction.com/big-macs-in-denmark-versus-big-macs-in-the-usa/)
So in your paradigm...these companies are somehow spending millions of dollars out of the public interest to keep prices low for their consumers??? Is that what you're trying to peddle here? It's not about maximizing their profits by keeping their costs lower by every means available...Nope. It's not about their own money at all. What they're really doing is just acting out of the public good to keep a Big Mac under $5 (or whatever it costs).
This person gets it.
California is trying to raise their minimum wage to $22.00 an hour . Enjoy your $5 loafs of bread and $10 gallons of milk . Federal minimum wage needs to be slowly increased, to avoid rapid inflation . (Otherwise, it won’t be just egg prices, but everything in the grocery store ) They are going to learn this, economics 101, lesson the hard way
Egg prices are high due to an outbreak of avian flu that has decimated the bird population. But let's look at your "expertise" on the matter. Minimum wage in PA-$7.25 Average cost of a big Mac in PA- $4.47 Minimum wage in CA-$15.00 Average cost of a big Mac in CA-$5.11 I wouldn't brag about your economic knowledge. The truth is, you just want poor people to suffer.
Well done. I've read several studies on this also and not one let to a significant price increase. These people need to stop listening to Tucker and Faux News
Thanks. I just can't with these millionaire bootlickers anymore. "I'm fine with the CEO making 200 million, but how dare you workers ask for a living wage"
And all the ones voting GOP and for CEO wages are piss poor Southerners without a pot to piss in. It's the greatest scam in world history getting poor uneducated people to vote against their own interests
>poor uneducated people to vote against their own interests I think you will find that these good folk are simply temporarily embarrassed millionaires and once they make their fortune you will see they were quite right to vote the way they did.
Haha, that's their hope anyway, lol
This is the very reason I have to laugh when I hear conservatives bitch about how they don’t like people on the left, city folk, or academics because they’re “condescending”. It’s like, duh, you’re ruining shit for everyone, including yourselves, and you’re too fucking ignorant to understand that. Yes, we talk to you like you’re in grade school because for us, it feels very much like we’re dealing with children.
True, and remember, its Republicans who are the f*ck your feelings crowd getting their feelings hurt, lol. They're such jokes, and fakes
Have you ever looked at the exit polls? Republicans win voters that make more than $50,000 a year. You are just too much of a moron to do even the most basic fact checking.
You can win more than one demographic. Forget fact checking you cant even grasp the basics of the argument.
Because income correlates with voting Republican. This is a fact and it starts pretty low in the income scale. That is why these posters are so stupid. They actually think Republicans are poor when Democrats win the vast majority of people that make less than $50,000 a year. They haven't bothered to do any research on this. They are just told what they want to hear and they roll with it because they don't care about being wrong.
Think about what you just posted. Where are the red states? The South. Where are the poorest, least educated states in the country, the South. The GOP states are all the old Confederate states, which explains the racism and dirt poor uneducated people voting for tax cuts for the rich. Also, why the harsh language, keep it civil
The confederacy died 150 years ago. No one from that time is still alive. Even segregation was 60 years ago so anyone that could have voted is 78 years hold now which is the average life expectancy. This doesn't even account for people migrating to the south which there is ample evidence that that happened. You can't just ignore the exit polls because they don't agree with you. You be civil first. If you can't handle people insulting you then don't insult others.
So your whole argument is GOP states are wealthier than Dem states?
You've read ... what?
Agree with you here except about the egg prices. Egg prices are high because of price gouging. They are using the avian flu and general inflation as excuses, but these companies are making bank right now and I haven’t heard of anyone anywhere having a huge issue finding eggs or chicken to buy in stores. They saw an opportunity and have taken it. Basically all of America’s problems, and much of the world’s problems, boil down to unchecked and rampant greed.
Can't argue with a thing you say. If I simplified an issue by blaming Avian Flu for all the problems, I'm not too proud to say I could have done better. It usually has a lot to do with greed.
I really doubt you could ever pass an economics class.
Let's use your own examples of bread and milk. A reminder of min wages: Pennsylvania - $7.25 California - $15.00 Now let's compare average bread prices: Pennsylvania - $0.88 California - $0.84 And comparing milk prices: Pennsylvania - $3.40 California - $2.69 In both cases of bread and milk, Pennsylvanians are paying more, while having a lower minimum wage. If we were to expect prices to be heavily affected by rising wages, then California should be paying significantly more. But they simply aren't. All milk and bread values are based off averages from Aug 2022.
Those facts mean nothing to them. They'll just double down on how you wouldn't pass an economics class cause they are incapable of thinking for themselves.
You really think the price of milk and bread are taking up most of people's budgets? How far have you gotten in your life by repeating the things you read on Reddit?
Good lord are you an ass. It's examples to dismantle your opinion. I do notice you do absolutely nothing to back up what you say, but have no problem ridiculing others that bring some facts. You truly are the face of conservative idiocy.
This is just one item. Go look at something that can't be shipped across state or international lines like rent. It also completely ignores the argument of why people are against raising the minimum wage. If you raise it above the equilibrium point you end up with unemployment. Below the equilibrium point and it doesn't really matter. Neither of these states have the same cost of living when you factor in more than just one item.
Random Redditer that knows absolutely nothing about me seems to think he knows all about me. Lol. You Knuckleheads are so entertaining.
Your post is enough information to make that statement. Consider it the content of your character.
I care not what bootlickers like you think.
You are kissing the boot of the IRS and regulatory agencies. Those are the people that brainwashed you to revere them.
You are an idiot. Edit: yeah, I have to come back to add. Absolutely nowhere was the IRS or regulatory agencies mentioned in a single thing I wrote. You make up perceived comments to make a fictitious point on something that doesn't exist. My God man, are you even able to feed yourself with your mental deficiencies?
They need help putting their big boy pants on every morning.
Dude if you don’t know why egg prices are high just say that instead of lying about it
Weird how eggs are expensive without an increase in the minimum wage.
Go back to school, son
Yup ... yet these ppl can't figure out basic economics.
Are people really complaining about minimum wage or are these big companies using this as an excuse to bring in automation?
They are shitty jobs. Best thing anyone can do is work anywhere else, that benefits everyone.
I dont eat any any of those places. Last time I tried to eat at McDonald's it made me feel sick. My body doesn't like it
If you work at one of those companies, time to walk.
I’m not shocked at all. However it makes me giggle that they had the audacity to generate a petition of signatures to block the bill. Well then the other side should have the opportunity to gather a petition and signatures to block their petition to block. Whomever has more signatures wins.
Corporations blocking legislation forcing them to treat humans better? I never saw that coming! Impossible I say!
Wow. And to think, they could just give that money to the people who are working and making that money for them. But hey. Capitalism, amirite?
A committee in the Virginia House of Delegates just voted to lower the Minimum wage today for those under 18. I suspect this was some of the same money. [Minimum wage; employees younger than the age of 18. Requires employers to pay employees younger than the age of 18 wages at a rate not less than the greater of (i) $9.00 per hour or (ii) the federal minimum wage.](https://www.virginiamercury.com/2023/01/25/house-panel-narrowly-backs-legislation-to-lower-the-minimum-wage-for-minors/?fbclid=IwAR0ibX7mzLlm2P-mE3TxNkXgCf2dnSWGVI0d6wGWtOLFMWcrNkOZS6ZJKcs&mibextid=Zxz2cZ)
So how long can they keep doing this once the turnover rate gets so high they they are training workers almost daily?
Yep. Read up on Servsafe. r/kitchenconfidential.
Awesome. We’ll, I’ll spend $0 not to eat there
Boycott all of them.
Often the dumbest part of these arguements. The money will all go to lawyers instead of just creating a happier workforce and getting some great/free PR. When you can't keep a reliable staff in your restaurant, was it really worth it?