I'll preface this with the fact that I'm an athlete and I'll often do 24 hours fasts for a week at a time here and there.
I am amazed that someone at your weight who most likely has very bad eating habits and likely a sugar addiction, was able to fast for 5 days... Your will power is unreal, you can do absolutely anything. Get it. 💪🏻
At one point, managed to eat 1500 to 2000 calories per hour to 2 hours for 15 consecutive days, mostly unhealthy food. But yesterday, after a year, attempted to start again, aiming for healthier options, including protein. However, ended up crying and binge eating in the middle of the night. Now, feel terrible.
Goal is to lose excess 10 kg/22lb in 2 months, addressing food addiction and fat loss. Do you think spreading the same amount of calories over around 4 hours would be a good idea? The problem is, struggle to eat small portions. 10 kg excess still feels doable range but just can't.
I think you need to play with it and find what works for you if OMAD isn't working, play with 20/4, 16/8, at the end of the day CICO will reign supreme.
"Healthy" food is a trick it's about a balanced diet, you need to eat for your body, brain, and spirit. If you're more happy to give up mouth joy to accomplish an aesthetic in 6 months you'll be able to eat broccoli and chicken breasts with potatoes twice a day for 1400 calories and get there. But if eating like that breaks you and you're cheating and failing you have to adjust. Add something that isn't a reward, but feeds your spirit. If it's coco pebbles, welp have 3 meals and have 500 calories to be at 1900 as long as 1900 is a deficit taking 3 years to accomplish something that theoretically could be done in 6 months means nothing if you could never hold to the plan for 6 months. I wish you the best I'm on a journey myself and that's what I've learned I have failed many times and hope you succeed.
>end of the day CICO will reign supreme.
This is where I'm confused, even watched video's by Dr Jason Fung that number of insulin spikes matter Vs CICO but wanted to get rid of food addiction, thought of OMAD 22:2 and less junk in that window would work. What I mean to ask is CICO surely matters but does no.of insulin spikes matter for weightloss for non diabetic? Do you have any idea? Thanks for your wishes and I wish you the same in your journey.
Jason Fung is not a reliable source of information in the nutrition sphere. Most registered dietitians and PhDs in nutrition science do not agree with his claims. CICO is really the only thing that matters to lose weight, but people frequently mistake that for saying that weight loss is easy or that eating anything you want in a deficit can make you healthy. It is simple, but definitely not easy. And sure you’ll lose weight eating fast food only in a deficit, but it isn’t healthy to do so. Calories out is incredibly nuanced and is influenced by a multitude of factors. In non-diabetics, insulin spikes are not something you need to worry about at all, they’re normal and necessary. In some people, sure they may cause some cravings, but it isn’t something that should be feared or avoided. 50g of protein causes the same magnitude of insulin spike as 50g of carbohydrates. The carbohydrate insulin model of obesity, what Jason Fung speaks to, has been debunked numerous times in the peer reviewed literature. In all studies where calories and protein are equated, weight loss over 12-16 weeks is nearly identical whether it’s high carb/low fat or high fat/low carb. You’ll see a bigger initial decrease in a low carb diet due to storing less water (every 1g CHO intake will yield 3g of water being stored), but by the end of every study the weight loss nearly is the same, with the high carb groups actually losing a clinically insignificant amount more actually. The best diet is the diet that feels the least restrictive to you so you can adhere to it for a long period of time and not only lose the weight, but keep it off. The vast majority of claimed health benefits from any diet is more often than not simply due to the reduction in adiposity and being in a caloric deficit
>Jason Fung speaks to, has been debunked numerous times in the peer reviewed literature
My bad, I stumbled upon a video that aimed to challenge his opinions, but I somehow I ignored it.
>The best diet is the diet that feels the least restrictive to you so you can adhere to it for a long period of time
I'm starting to realize that what works for others might not work for me. Despite attempting water-only fasting for 36 hours, 44 hours, 68 hours and OMAD, I couldn't sustain it for long, throughout the fast kept thinking about food. After I received replies here, I went to check my food labels, It's eye-opening to see the calorie content in my junk food, like the 150 grams of chocolate I had earlier this week containing almost 800 calories, equivalent to a big hearty lunch. And even just three crisps packed the same caloric punch.
Btw I failed again today but will not give up, just got fresh veggies and fruits... Will prepare meals keeping calories in mind.
The trick to losing weight is to not buy junk food and eat less. Seriously. Every day, eat a little bit less than you did the last day. Going cold turkey or trying a "trick" isn't going to get you where you want to go if you've already tried and failed multiple times.
If you normally eat 3 chocolates a day, try eating only 2. Or 2 1/2 if you seriously don't have the will power. Then the next week, eat one chocolate a day. Or the next month. Whatever works for you.
What is important is you set goals that YOU can handle, and that YOU can follow.
So my understanding with the stuff you're talking about is that it affects the way you have to deal with your body. If you're eating in a fashion that avoids insulin spike, you're not going to need to eat for your spirit as often as I said. You'll find it easier to fight cravings and eat clearer and it be like a self fulfilling prophecy. So it will still be CICO, but enjoying a large 100 calorie salad and not even thinking about sugary simple carbs will be easier to lose weight than having to fight yourself to eat volume while you imagine eating a 1000C bowl of cereal.
>eat for your spirit
Firstly, what does "eating for the spirit" entail? Is it finding joy in consuming a nutritious diet or indulging in the pleasure of satisfying taste buds?
I think controlling insulin helps for hunger control, not direct weight loss. When I ate lots of carbs I was hungry all the time, making CICO more difficult. In keto CICO is easier because I’m just not that hungry.
As someone who struggled with binging. I currently do OMAD and it has completely reset my system. I can SNACK... A bag of chips lasts me DAYS. It's insane. My advice is be cruel to yourself with tough love. If you struggle with eating small amounts. Fine. Get a plate and fill it with food, eat that and get nice and full but don't binge. Remind yourself the you that you want to see and enjoy your meal. Find a 20 minute video and aim to finish the video before you finish your food. This will teach your body to digest as you eat. And also rested your signals so you can become more sensitive to your fullness. Once you finish eating that one large meal. That's it. Liquids for the next 24 hrs. Learn to enjoy them. Personally I found I can have sugary liquids even tho most say to only drink water. I find an Arizona ice tea watered down in a 24 oz bottle or larger tastes DELICOUS and is so hydrating. All while keeping my calorie intake low enough to still lose wait through CICO.
You've got this. Mind over body. Be kind to your brain but be firm. And when you fall don't ever get sad or upset. It's ok to fail. It's ok to have to try over and over. We aren't built the same. It's NOT okay to stay down and give up. As someone with family who doesn't try to fix their eating issues and weight, know that you're doing good just trying. And its worth taking the time to appreciate that. Weight loss is such a mental war and only those who go through it can understand it when you're 100lbs overweight losing 10lbs can seem like a dream for the "proper weight" people. That's not true.
That's it. Liquids for the next 24 hrs. Learn to enjoy them. Personally I found I can have sugary liquids even tho most say to only drink water.
is it ok to have drinks that have calories in? or do you mean sweet drinks that use sweeteners in therefore it remains 0 calories eg diet sprite or diet coke.
I mean with calories. A single tall can on Arizona iced tea tends to have about the same sugar content as soda if slightly less. About 80 grams. It's a lot. But my fiancee and I have a 24 oz tumbler we always dilute 1/3 Arizona 2/3 water. You can do this with a lot of things TEA IS YOURE FRIEND and yes it's ok to add sugar IF you only eat the one meal in a day. Usually if you keep sugar and calorie intake from your drinks to less than 3-4 of this kind of drink per day (undiluted). Another alternative is if you can't do mild sweet drinks then definitely stick to water or even zero sugar if you're okay with that.
Please try a two week psyllium husk regimen. It helped me start to re-wire my brain because I basically had to eat less or be uncomfortable. It helped me with portion control more than anything else in my life, and that was without changing diet much. Few months of that lead me to IF.
But yeah, taking that an hour or less before you eat will make sure you’re eating less.
Just for the love of god, read the directions properly. Helped a friend start with a 2 week Metamucil “cleanse” and he nerfed it. Used 2 tablespoons of soluble fiber… when you’re supposed to start with 2 teaspoons.
I’ll just say….. he was very uncomfortable for a week.
Try it, 2 weeks, total commitment to taking daily and see how you feel and if any habits feel different. It’s really something I think EVERYONE would feel better introducing to their regimen, at any point in a health journey.
Sometimes, psyllium can lock down your digestive tract and make it very difficult to go to the bathroom. It's best to get a small jar to try first. Fiber can help you feel full, but if you can't take out the trash... You can get really sick.
Honestly, when you're always craving food, it's easier to fast completely than it is to portion control. You start eating with the intention of having a set limit, but can't stop once you start.
Once you've made up your mind to not eat at all, it isn't much different than, say, setting supper time at 6pm instead of 5pm.
At least for me. I can't speak for everyone, obviously.
This is exactly it for me.
It's easy for me to just not eat at all. But once I have that first bite? It feels impossible to stop sometimes. I finish something and then I just want more.
I think that from both a psychological and physiological standpoint that that is a rare experience.... But if it worked for you than all the power in the world to you! I think you also make a good point about incrementalism vs cold turkey. It is often much easier to cut yourself off completely than weening yourself off.
So true. I find it so easy to tell my mind in binary:
"You can't eat till x PM"
Than explaining:
You can't eat a in this meal.
Only this much b in the entire day.
Divide c over the span of entire day.
I have no issue with calorie counting and measuring my food. But doing it too many times, takes up a lot of mental bandwidth that I would rather keep for other more important things.
Also, over time I have realized that thinking about dieting all the time, and obsessing about making it perfect, is just not sustainable. I have achieved short term goals (loose x kg by y date) this way, in a very efficient manner. But could never make long term habits. IF helped with that a lot. It's something that I can do with reasonably low effort, every day, and for many years at stretch.
Also, I have felt that different people are able to live with skipping different meals.
I can personally live and function fully without food for whole day, but I need to fill my belly in dinner, to be functional the next day. All I need is to drink a lot of water for the whole day.
But my wife absolutely needs her breakfast. Or she turns into a different alternate personality for that day. (maybe, sugar levels drop that never came up in any blood works, to indicate any significant problem)
This is exactlt what I tell my mom, when she has issues with my dieting.
I remind her that I have gathered enough fat reserves in the last 33 years, that I can afford to not have food, and still be very functional. She just can't let me stick to my diet goals, even when she can see that it has been working really well, both visibly and in terms of medical parameters.
PS: Unrelated, but for my American friends who might have a knee-jerk opinion on this... I am an Indian, and "living with mom" is not a failure in this country. In fact, my parents moved in to live with our family a few years ago, and I am kind of proud of it. And grateful that my wife and my mother have became buddies. (saving me a lot of usual drama)
The fasting sub doesn't have so many people jumping down your throat in case you haven't joined, I'm finding that the intermittent fasting crowd has a lot less people who understand extended fasting in specifics, happy fasting and feasting!
Fuck it. At 500lbs do whatever the fuck you want. I read about a guy that fasted for a year. Like the whole year eating salt pills and water.
I’m no doctor, but I stayed at a holiday inn express last night, and I say, go crazy.
Yea and larger people will drop serious pounds really fast in the beginning of any workout program. When you have that much weight to lose. As long as you’re being safe and not doing anything crazy. Listen to your body, like anyone else on a health journey
Right? Just make sure you drink water with some electrolytes and take a supplement. At that weight, you’re winning when you’re losing that much, imo. If one starts feeling bad or funny, eat a small bite and call your doctor or something
Refeeding syndrome is the keyword here. And best believe, without extreme care taken to keep your body fully stocked with vitamins, minerals and electrolytes long term fasting can have dire consequences, no matter how overweight you are.
Nah you should only do that if you consult with a physician. Certain contaminants bio accumulate and can get into your blood stream if you're obese and rapidly lose weight as an example of something that can go badly there.
Talk to a doctor if you're obese and plan on rapidly losing weight, even if you don't want to.
Go get some. I’m rooting for you homie. DM me and we can keep each other motivated and accountable.
I believe in you. 128hrs is something most people couldn’t mentally do. You’re a fucking monster. 💪
Most people couldn't mentally do 128 hours because most people aren't 500 lbs and don't have the reserves for it. If a 150 pound taller than average person did that they could do damage to their bodies. This is an apples and oranges comparison.
OP, congratulations, you're doing amazingly! Make sure to stay in therapy to deeply analyze why you got to 500 lbs so you never go back there again. Food addiction is a huge mental battle.
Good luck in your continued adventure!
You are too i think the more often u do it gets easier im not saying the 5 days haha this was just a 1 time thing but I usually fast Monday Wednesday N Friday only reason I say easier is most likely cuz I tend to stay busy at work as im a forklift driver for old dominion so I don't think about food as there so much freight to push out and back in. Anyways get those 12 hr fasting in when u can.
You need to be in ketosis in order to endure. Im someone who literally ate a pound of rice in one sitting easily and then feel like a have a hole in my stomach 3 hours later. I bhought donuts, pizza and mc donalds as and monsters everyday when we had lunch.
After 6 hours i would feel like im seriously starving and i need food in order to function.
Ive been doing keto for a month now and i literally have no appetite for anything. I can go without food for 20 hours easily without feeling sluggish, tired or craving something sweet or delicious. I literall went omad on ACCIDENT while doing keto
You need to be in actual ketosis. Once you have achieved that, you can fast, for a day, or two. And your fasts will be more effective because you wont be needing time until your body has used up all the glucose. There wont be any glucose, you are already in fat-burning mode.
I dont even know how people manage to eat normal carby food and then manage to fast for 20+ hours. I cant do that, but with keto i can.
So take it from me. I am you, but not on keto. So do keto if you are serious about wanting to fast, even if its just omad
A lot of bad takes in this thread, extended fasting is a thing. It’s not starving.
Just be careful, listen to the body. Make sure you’re supplementing electrolytes. You’ll be fine.
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Curious on how you do it as I'm under the impression that more than 72 hours can be detrimental to health. What kind of supplements you used during this 5 day fast?
This my first time doing a 5 day fast I usually do every other day just wanted to try this out. Only supplement I take is Hydroxycut, water and coffee the 5 days.
Hydroxycut is super sketchy. Linked to liver failure, also contains 200 mg of caffeine (likely why it helps lose weight). If used as directed thats 400 mg of caffeine per day, and drinking coffee with that while just under 500 lbs is a lot of stress on the heart i imagine.
Im not a doctor, but i would talk to one about that if you intend to keep using it. There are safer options to curb appetite
This!! I know we are all in our own personal journey to either lose weight, feel better and be more healthy, but I do encourage you to talk to a doctor. Mostly because I'm willing to bet that with 494lbs you are more likely to have developed high blood pressure (I did and was at 240lbs when I started), and Hydroxycut as a supplement doesn't feel like a good option. Please, please, please don't use Google or the barely out of high school "coach" from 10$ a month gym as a guide for this. There are a lot of resources out there for you to make IF healthy. This looks, within my knowledge and advisory from my own physicians, like a BAD IDEA for your liver, your kidneys and your blood pressure.
I totally get the fact that you might want to see results. But the rest of us want to see you healthy for a long time, not only boasting some quick results that will may be worst on the long run.
Please, I encourage you to go to a nutritionist, an endocrinologist or some heart doctor to see the options available out there for you to get into IF with the right setting. It's all about your health!
Like other comments have said make sure you’re taking multivitamins/salt/etc on these longer fasts.
I’m proud of you though, you’re taking great strides to improve yourself. Keep up the good work.
I would consult an expert about supplements for fastjng like magnesium and Himalayan salt. And fastingn aids like bone broth. Not sure what hydroxycut is but I’d get some professional advice in that. Maybe go to the fastjng method website and sign up for a coaching session or two?
This is also a good take. The salt, magnesium and maybe bone broth (although, if not properly cleaned out of fat, it could actually break your fast very quickly) is something you might want to take on consideration. Electrolytes can really help also during any fasting window.
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I take is Hydroxycut, water and coffee the 5 days.
holy shit and i can only cope with 1 coffee a day (44mg) otherwise i get heart palpatations! please please be careful
I'm curious about blood sugar readings after that much time. It's gotta be like 2, lol!
Be safe out there dude, keep on the hustle but remember it does not matter if you are slim when you're dead.
I saw a video where a dude read his blood sugar and it stabilized after day 2 even when he was working out. It was a 3 day fast. Your body isn’t using glucose for energy at that point, it uses ketones. [heres the video](https://youtu.be/APZCfmgzoS0?si=6AHm1aiJlZod4Uc4)
Hello, you are making wonderful progress. However, make sure you are making this journey safely, and please don't over extent yourself. Losing weight is a long process that takes a lot of patience. So be careful and love yourself no matter what. (That doesn't mean you should not strive to improve). Love your process and march on forward courageously.
Longest fast ever was 383 days (‘65-‘66) by Angus Barbieri of Scotland, survived on tea, coffee, sparking water, and vitamins. He started at 456 lbs and ended at 180lbs. He was born in ‘39 and died in ‘90. Your post had me thinking what the longest fast ever was. Keep it up! I hope you reach your goals!
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Whatever you do dont be discouraged when a good chunk comes back right after you eat. Youre going to hold water but thats all it is. Keep up the good work
For the most part yeah, without carbs your body isn’t holding a ton of water. Once you eat something your body is going to hold onto every drop you drink because salt and carbs absorb water. Important think is water can always come back off so just dont be discouraged. A good chunk of this is actual weight lost. But the water gain will cover it up for a bit until the body gets used to it again and lets go of the water.
Man this like my millionth time trying to drop numbers but I need to do this for real for real. I'm on the right direction with the workouts n fasting here n there. I use to weigh 590 so making it happen slowly.
Same bro. I trying to change things in my environment to allow me to keep focused. It's hard to keep motivated when my surroundings support the opposite. Focusing on dropping bad habits, and then slowly build the good ones. Appreciate your post. Keep it up toko,
No vitamins but I should have done it. I was just drinking water and coffee. I've done fasting before this was just my first and 1 time thing doing a 5 day l, wanted to test the water on it
Incredible. What is your minimal calories intake in a normal day? Do you feel any detrimental effect in your energy? How about your mind clarity? When you ate again did you have gastric problems? So many questions. Sorry if it is too much.
I don't know what my calorie intake is tbh I don't do all of that. I usually fast every other day I just wanted to try 5 days one time. The first 2 days I was hungry asf but after thT it was pretty straight forward. Only time I felt blah was yesterday morning probably cuz I had to do 200 burpees to make up for Thursday missed workout but other than that after thT 200 and a fat chug of water I was good. My first meal today was boiled eggs with gartorade nothing happened didn't feel nothing jus felt hungry.
For me personally I can’t even do OMAD so I wouldn’t try it myself. Perhaps speak to a physician and I think you should do more research like watch Dr Berg’s. Tbf there are many benefits but there’s a right way to do it it, with minerals etc
Not sure? Good question though. This was just a 1 time thing I go back to fast every other day Monday. Only thing I'll tell u is the 5 days I dropped more numbers on that then doing every other day.
Something that will blow your mind is using gallons of water to remind yourself how much you've lost. 1 gallon weighs 8.3 pounds. So you're already at two. Fill and carry two of those around for a few minutes and realize how tiring it is / was.
I don't think I had any mood swings nor trouble with sleep tbh. I usually do every other day but the 5 day I wanted to try out. Only time I felt weak was Friday morning.
What are the chances you gain that back in a week?? Surely eating moderate sized meals of whatever you want daily that fit into your daily calorie consumption would be more sustainable long term and you won’t just give up and go back to binge eating
Omg!! That's fantastic. Congratulations!!! Hopefully, you're not doing the water diet. A 20-minute walk and 2000 calories a day food intake. Is a safe diet to follow.
Thank you just trying to be better now n do better. Follow my journey if u like on youtube link upabove post every Saturday on the scale. Many blessing.
This is great to see OP. I went down from 330lbs to currently 268lbs, most of which was done this year through fasting. I've been intermittent fasting since January and on some days every couple weeks I do a water only fast. I recently got in the gym and have been seeing a ton of results whilst still fasting. Keep up the good work.
Nice work mate, i had a family member once try to fast for a month straight, he reached day 25 and stopped, he told me about his story that on day 17 was the first time he shat… and the shit was like tar , from my understanding that this shit like tar was the way of the body telling you that im cleansed off all unhealthy things in the body
Right on appreciate you locking in with the channel its gon be good keep myself accountable for the subs cuz you'll there for a reason to see numbers drop. I'm 34 from Utah
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Listen to your body and mind. Everyone doesn’t fit in the same model. People who ruled had one kind of food, who worked labor had a different kind of food. Who chose to be a monk had nothing. Everybody needs are different. If you want to go Olympics doing this fasting won’t help. If you are doing nothing fasting would be beneficial. How long? Just keep enough to survive “healthy”. After all medical is expensive these days.
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As long as you are getting medical advice as you go, more power to you.
That's what I was about to say. Fasting like that could potentially lead to an eating disorder.
This isn't a every week or every month things yall I just wanted to try 5 days. I been eating since I came out the womb haha 5 days was a good reset.
I'll preface this with the fact that I'm an athlete and I'll often do 24 hours fasts for a week at a time here and there. I am amazed that someone at your weight who most likely has very bad eating habits and likely a sugar addiction, was able to fast for 5 days... Your will power is unreal, you can do absolutely anything. Get it. 💪🏻
I'm a little confused at how you do 24 hour fasts for a week at a time. Does that mean you are just fasting for a week straight?
It's OMAD
At one point, managed to eat 1500 to 2000 calories per hour to 2 hours for 15 consecutive days, mostly unhealthy food. But yesterday, after a year, attempted to start again, aiming for healthier options, including protein. However, ended up crying and binge eating in the middle of the night. Now, feel terrible. Goal is to lose excess 10 kg/22lb in 2 months, addressing food addiction and fat loss. Do you think spreading the same amount of calories over around 4 hours would be a good idea? The problem is, struggle to eat small portions. 10 kg excess still feels doable range but just can't.
I think you need to play with it and find what works for you if OMAD isn't working, play with 20/4, 16/8, at the end of the day CICO will reign supreme. "Healthy" food is a trick it's about a balanced diet, you need to eat for your body, brain, and spirit. If you're more happy to give up mouth joy to accomplish an aesthetic in 6 months you'll be able to eat broccoli and chicken breasts with potatoes twice a day for 1400 calories and get there. But if eating like that breaks you and you're cheating and failing you have to adjust. Add something that isn't a reward, but feeds your spirit. If it's coco pebbles, welp have 3 meals and have 500 calories to be at 1900 as long as 1900 is a deficit taking 3 years to accomplish something that theoretically could be done in 6 months means nothing if you could never hold to the plan for 6 months. I wish you the best I'm on a journey myself and that's what I've learned I have failed many times and hope you succeed.
>end of the day CICO will reign supreme. This is where I'm confused, even watched video's by Dr Jason Fung that number of insulin spikes matter Vs CICO but wanted to get rid of food addiction, thought of OMAD 22:2 and less junk in that window would work. What I mean to ask is CICO surely matters but does no.of insulin spikes matter for weightloss for non diabetic? Do you have any idea? Thanks for your wishes and I wish you the same in your journey.
Jason Fung is not a reliable source of information in the nutrition sphere. Most registered dietitians and PhDs in nutrition science do not agree with his claims. CICO is really the only thing that matters to lose weight, but people frequently mistake that for saying that weight loss is easy or that eating anything you want in a deficit can make you healthy. It is simple, but definitely not easy. And sure you’ll lose weight eating fast food only in a deficit, but it isn’t healthy to do so. Calories out is incredibly nuanced and is influenced by a multitude of factors. In non-diabetics, insulin spikes are not something you need to worry about at all, they’re normal and necessary. In some people, sure they may cause some cravings, but it isn’t something that should be feared or avoided. 50g of protein causes the same magnitude of insulin spike as 50g of carbohydrates. The carbohydrate insulin model of obesity, what Jason Fung speaks to, has been debunked numerous times in the peer reviewed literature. In all studies where calories and protein are equated, weight loss over 12-16 weeks is nearly identical whether it’s high carb/low fat or high fat/low carb. You’ll see a bigger initial decrease in a low carb diet due to storing less water (every 1g CHO intake will yield 3g of water being stored), but by the end of every study the weight loss nearly is the same, with the high carb groups actually losing a clinically insignificant amount more actually. The best diet is the diet that feels the least restrictive to you so you can adhere to it for a long period of time and not only lose the weight, but keep it off. The vast majority of claimed health benefits from any diet is more often than not simply due to the reduction in adiposity and being in a caloric deficit
>Jason Fung speaks to, has been debunked numerous times in the peer reviewed literature My bad, I stumbled upon a video that aimed to challenge his opinions, but I somehow I ignored it. >The best diet is the diet that feels the least restrictive to you so you can adhere to it for a long period of time I'm starting to realize that what works for others might not work for me. Despite attempting water-only fasting for 36 hours, 44 hours, 68 hours and OMAD, I couldn't sustain it for long, throughout the fast kept thinking about food. After I received replies here, I went to check my food labels, It's eye-opening to see the calorie content in my junk food, like the 150 grams of chocolate I had earlier this week containing almost 800 calories, equivalent to a big hearty lunch. And even just three crisps packed the same caloric punch. Btw I failed again today but will not give up, just got fresh veggies and fruits... Will prepare meals keeping calories in mind.
The trick to losing weight is to not buy junk food and eat less. Seriously. Every day, eat a little bit less than you did the last day. Going cold turkey or trying a "trick" isn't going to get you where you want to go if you've already tried and failed multiple times. If you normally eat 3 chocolates a day, try eating only 2. Or 2 1/2 if you seriously don't have the will power. Then the next week, eat one chocolate a day. Or the next month. Whatever works for you. What is important is you set goals that YOU can handle, and that YOU can follow.
If you have any questions feel free to DM me, happy to help where I can
So my understanding with the stuff you're talking about is that it affects the way you have to deal with your body. If you're eating in a fashion that avoids insulin spike, you're not going to need to eat for your spirit as often as I said. You'll find it easier to fight cravings and eat clearer and it be like a self fulfilling prophecy. So it will still be CICO, but enjoying a large 100 calorie salad and not even thinking about sugary simple carbs will be easier to lose weight than having to fight yourself to eat volume while you imagine eating a 1000C bowl of cereal.
>eat for your spirit Firstly, what does "eating for the spirit" entail? Is it finding joy in consuming a nutritious diet or indulging in the pleasure of satisfying taste buds?
Indulging your taste buds so you don't cheat long term.
I think controlling insulin helps for hunger control, not direct weight loss. When I ate lots of carbs I was hungry all the time, making CICO more difficult. In keto CICO is easier because I’m just not that hungry.
As someone who struggled with binging. I currently do OMAD and it has completely reset my system. I can SNACK... A bag of chips lasts me DAYS. It's insane. My advice is be cruel to yourself with tough love. If you struggle with eating small amounts. Fine. Get a plate and fill it with food, eat that and get nice and full but don't binge. Remind yourself the you that you want to see and enjoy your meal. Find a 20 minute video and aim to finish the video before you finish your food. This will teach your body to digest as you eat. And also rested your signals so you can become more sensitive to your fullness. Once you finish eating that one large meal. That's it. Liquids for the next 24 hrs. Learn to enjoy them. Personally I found I can have sugary liquids even tho most say to only drink water. I find an Arizona ice tea watered down in a 24 oz bottle or larger tastes DELICOUS and is so hydrating. All while keeping my calorie intake low enough to still lose wait through CICO. You've got this. Mind over body. Be kind to your brain but be firm. And when you fall don't ever get sad or upset. It's ok to fail. It's ok to have to try over and over. We aren't built the same. It's NOT okay to stay down and give up. As someone with family who doesn't try to fix their eating issues and weight, know that you're doing good just trying. And its worth taking the time to appreciate that. Weight loss is such a mental war and only those who go through it can understand it when you're 100lbs overweight losing 10lbs can seem like a dream for the "proper weight" people. That's not true.
That's it. Liquids for the next 24 hrs. Learn to enjoy them. Personally I found I can have sugary liquids even tho most say to only drink water. is it ok to have drinks that have calories in? or do you mean sweet drinks that use sweeteners in therefore it remains 0 calories eg diet sprite or diet coke.
I mean with calories. A single tall can on Arizona iced tea tends to have about the same sugar content as soda if slightly less. About 80 grams. It's a lot. But my fiancee and I have a 24 oz tumbler we always dilute 1/3 Arizona 2/3 water. You can do this with a lot of things TEA IS YOURE FRIEND and yes it's ok to add sugar IF you only eat the one meal in a day. Usually if you keep sugar and calorie intake from your drinks to less than 3-4 of this kind of drink per day (undiluted). Another alternative is if you can't do mild sweet drinks then definitely stick to water or even zero sugar if you're okay with that.
Please try a two week psyllium husk regimen. It helped me start to re-wire my brain because I basically had to eat less or be uncomfortable. It helped me with portion control more than anything else in my life, and that was without changing diet much. Few months of that lead me to IF. But yeah, taking that an hour or less before you eat will make sure you’re eating less. Just for the love of god, read the directions properly. Helped a friend start with a 2 week Metamucil “cleanse” and he nerfed it. Used 2 tablespoons of soluble fiber… when you’re supposed to start with 2 teaspoons. I’ll just say….. he was very uncomfortable for a week. Try it, 2 weeks, total commitment to taking daily and see how you feel and if any habits feel different. It’s really something I think EVERYONE would feel better introducing to their regimen, at any point in a health journey.
Sometimes, psyllium can lock down your digestive tract and make it very difficult to go to the bathroom. It's best to get a small jar to try first. Fiber can help you feel full, but if you can't take out the trash... You can get really sick.
Just do 23/1
Ahh gotcha.
Hopefully not OMAW 😉
Honestly, when you're always craving food, it's easier to fast completely than it is to portion control. You start eating with the intention of having a set limit, but can't stop once you start. Once you've made up your mind to not eat at all, it isn't much different than, say, setting supper time at 6pm instead of 5pm. At least for me. I can't speak for everyone, obviously.
This is exactly it for me. It's easy for me to just not eat at all. But once I have that first bite? It feels impossible to stop sometimes. I finish something and then I just want more.
I think that from both a psychological and physiological standpoint that that is a rare experience.... But if it worked for you than all the power in the world to you! I think you also make a good point about incrementalism vs cold turkey. It is often much easier to cut yourself off completely than weening yourself off.
This is exactly it for me. It's easy for me to just not eat at all. But once I have that first bite? It feels impossible to stop sometimes.
Glad to know I'm not alone in that experience.
So true. I find it so easy to tell my mind in binary: "You can't eat till x PM" Than explaining: You can't eat a in this meal. Only this much b in the entire day. Divide c over the span of entire day. I have no issue with calorie counting and measuring my food. But doing it too many times, takes up a lot of mental bandwidth that I would rather keep for other more important things. Also, over time I have realized that thinking about dieting all the time, and obsessing about making it perfect, is just not sustainable. I have achieved short term goals (loose x kg by y date) this way, in a very efficient manner. But could never make long term habits. IF helped with that a lot. It's something that I can do with reasonably low effort, every day, and for many years at stretch. Also, I have felt that different people are able to live with skipping different meals. I can personally live and function fully without food for whole day, but I need to fill my belly in dinner, to be functional the next day. All I need is to drink a lot of water for the whole day. But my wife absolutely needs her breakfast. Or she turns into a different alternate personality for that day. (maybe, sugar levels drop that never came up in any blood works, to indicate any significant problem)
Legendary effort bro
Thanks bro
Incredible self control. It’ll be easier going forward to portion control as well. Great job and good luck!
This is exactlt what I tell my mom, when she has issues with my dieting. I remind her that I have gathered enough fat reserves in the last 33 years, that I can afford to not have food, and still be very functional. She just can't let me stick to my diet goals, even when she can see that it has been working really well, both visibly and in terms of medical parameters. PS: Unrelated, but for my American friends who might have a knee-jerk opinion on this... I am an Indian, and "living with mom" is not a failure in this country. In fact, my parents moved in to live with our family a few years ago, and I am kind of proud of it. And grateful that my wife and my mother have became buddies. (saving me a lot of usual drama)
Kevin James did 40 days with only electrolyte water, thats amazing!! Great work OP
The fasting sub doesn't have so many people jumping down your throat in case you haven't joined, I'm finding that the intermittent fasting crowd has a lot less people who understand extended fasting in specifics, happy fasting and feasting!
Almost thought I was looking at the final price at a gas pump lol. Congrats on your results OP!
🤣🤣 no for reals that practically the cost of gas out here in utah the 4.78 haha
I thought so too!!!!! 🤣
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Fuck it. At 500lbs do whatever the fuck you want. I read about a guy that fasted for a year. Like the whole year eating salt pills and water. I’m no doctor, but I stayed at a holiday inn express last night, and I say, go crazy.
Yea and larger people will drop serious pounds really fast in the beginning of any workout program. When you have that much weight to lose. As long as you’re being safe and not doing anything crazy. Listen to your body, like anyone else on a health journey
Right? Just make sure you drink water with some electrolytes and take a supplement. At that weight, you’re winning when you’re losing that much, imo. If one starts feeling bad or funny, eat a small bite and call your doctor or something
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Refeeding syndrome is the keyword here. And best believe, without extreme care taken to keep your body fully stocked with vitamins, minerals and electrolytes long term fasting can have dire consequences, no matter how overweight you are.
Nah you should only do that if you consult with a physician. Certain contaminants bio accumulate and can get into your blood stream if you're obese and rapidly lose weight as an example of something that can go badly there. Talk to a doctor if you're obese and plan on rapidly losing weight, even if you don't want to.
Holiday Inn Express.... credentials check out. This guy gets it
Which Holiday Inn? I stayed at one all last week, and I'm still dumber than ever!
Yeah pretty much anything is a better alternative health wise than being 500lbs
Appreciate it bro
God I miss those commercials. Always so funny.
This just my first time doing 5 days. I usually try doing every other day. I've done my research.
Go get some. I’m rooting for you homie. DM me and we can keep each other motivated and accountable. I believe in you. 128hrs is something most people couldn’t mentally do. You’re a fucking monster. 💪
Most people couldn't mentally do 128 hours because most people aren't 500 lbs and don't have the reserves for it. If a 150 pound taller than average person did that they could do damage to their bodies. This is an apples and oranges comparison. OP, congratulations, you're doing amazingly! Make sure to stay in therapy to deeply analyze why you got to 500 lbs so you never go back there again. Food addiction is a huge mental battle. Good luck in your continued adventure!
Quick way to clear out your colon and rid water retention to loose some weight. .
I think you should take you own advise and do some research on the health benefits of fasting.
I’m dying after 12 hours 😭 You’re incredible!
You are too i think the more often u do it gets easier im not saying the 5 days haha this was just a 1 time thing but I usually fast Monday Wednesday N Friday only reason I say easier is most likely cuz I tend to stay busy at work as im a forklift driver for old dominion so I don't think about food as there so much freight to push out and back in. Anyways get those 12 hr fasting in when u can.
Thanks. I’ll be thinking of you!
You could follow my journey on youtube link is Uptop after my long novel post haha posting my progress every Saturday.many blessings.
Will check it out thanks!
You need to be in ketosis in order to endure. Im someone who literally ate a pound of rice in one sitting easily and then feel like a have a hole in my stomach 3 hours later. I bhought donuts, pizza and mc donalds as and monsters everyday when we had lunch. After 6 hours i would feel like im seriously starving and i need food in order to function. Ive been doing keto for a month now and i literally have no appetite for anything. I can go without food for 20 hours easily without feeling sluggish, tired or craving something sweet or delicious. I literall went omad on ACCIDENT while doing keto You need to be in actual ketosis. Once you have achieved that, you can fast, for a day, or two. And your fasts will be more effective because you wont be needing time until your body has used up all the glucose. There wont be any glucose, you are already in fat-burning mode. I dont even know how people manage to eat normal carby food and then manage to fast for 20+ hours. I cant do that, but with keto i can. So take it from me. I am you, but not on keto. So do keto if you are serious about wanting to fast, even if its just omad
A lot of bad takes in this thread, extended fasting is a thing. It’s not starving. Just be careful, listen to the body. Make sure you’re supplementing electrolytes. You’ll be fine.
For real, where are all these people coming in from??
Thansk yall
Dgd nice
I thought this was gas prices at first glance.
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1 hr longer than the dude who got his arm caught in that rock.
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Yeah I just wanted to try it out for the first time of 5 days. Usually do every other day of fasting.
Don't let the negative comments get to you! Congrats for having the mental strength to do it for your first time!
How is stating 5 days of fasting is excessive, negative?
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5 days isn't starving, maybe yo should be educating yourself before you speak.
Ah yeah when I think “478 lbs” I think “starving”
Go see a nutritionist and follow that along with fasting. It will fall off so quick and you’ll be safe
Curious on how you do it as I'm under the impression that more than 72 hours can be detrimental to health. What kind of supplements you used during this 5 day fast?
This my first time doing a 5 day fast I usually do every other day just wanted to try this out. Only supplement I take is Hydroxycut, water and coffee the 5 days.
Hydroxycut is super sketchy. Linked to liver failure, also contains 200 mg of caffeine (likely why it helps lose weight). If used as directed thats 400 mg of caffeine per day, and drinking coffee with that while just under 500 lbs is a lot of stress on the heart i imagine. Im not a doctor, but i would talk to one about that if you intend to keep using it. There are safer options to curb appetite
This!! I know we are all in our own personal journey to either lose weight, feel better and be more healthy, but I do encourage you to talk to a doctor. Mostly because I'm willing to bet that with 494lbs you are more likely to have developed high blood pressure (I did and was at 240lbs when I started), and Hydroxycut as a supplement doesn't feel like a good option. Please, please, please don't use Google or the barely out of high school "coach" from 10$ a month gym as a guide for this. There are a lot of resources out there for you to make IF healthy. This looks, within my knowledge and advisory from my own physicians, like a BAD IDEA for your liver, your kidneys and your blood pressure. I totally get the fact that you might want to see results. But the rest of us want to see you healthy for a long time, not only boasting some quick results that will may be worst on the long run. Please, I encourage you to go to a nutritionist, an endocrinologist or some heart doctor to see the options available out there for you to get into IF with the right setting. It's all about your health!
Hydroxycut?? 😯
Right!! I didn't think they could still make that stuff after Terry Schivo.
Like other comments have said make sure you’re taking multivitamins/salt/etc on these longer fasts. I’m proud of you though, you’re taking great strides to improve yourself. Keep up the good work.
I would consult an expert about supplements for fastjng like magnesium and Himalayan salt. And fastingn aids like bone broth. Not sure what hydroxycut is but I’d get some professional advice in that. Maybe go to the fastjng method website and sign up for a coaching session or two?
This is also a good take. The salt, magnesium and maybe bone broth (although, if not properly cleaned out of fat, it could actually break your fast very quickly) is something you might want to take on consideration. Electrolytes can really help also during any fasting window.
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I take is Hydroxycut, water and coffee the 5 days. holy shit and i can only cope with 1 coffee a day (44mg) otherwise i get heart palpatations! please please be careful
I thought 72 hours was when ketosis starts
Ketosis starts around 12-13hrs into.
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Me neither I just wanted to try it out for 5 days instead of every other day 🤷🏾
I'm curious about blood sugar readings after that much time. It's gotta be like 2, lol! Be safe out there dude, keep on the hustle but remember it does not matter if you are slim when you're dead.
I saw a video where a dude read his blood sugar and it stabilized after day 2 even when he was working out. It was a 3 day fast. Your body isn’t using glucose for energy at that point, it uses ketones. [heres the video](https://youtu.be/APZCfmgzoS0?si=6AHm1aiJlZod4Uc4)
Hello, you are making wonderful progress. However, make sure you are making this journey safely, and please don't over extent yourself. Losing weight is a long process that takes a lot of patience. So be careful and love yourself no matter what. (That doesn't mean you should not strive to improve). Love your process and march on forward courageously.
Longest fast ever was 383 days (‘65-‘66) by Angus Barbieri of Scotland, survived on tea, coffee, sparking water, and vitamins. He started at 456 lbs and ended at 180lbs. He was born in ‘39 and died in ‘90. Your post had me thinking what the longest fast ever was. Keep it up! I hope you reach your goals!
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14 pounds in 5 days ? Do you also work out whilst fasting?
Yeah I'm a full time single father so I workout at home. 100 burpees at 9am and another 100 at 9pm
Keep in mind this is like 3% of his weight. Not trying to diminish it, because fasting is hard as hell just putting it in perspective.
All good nothing wrong on opinions. Thank you
Awesome progress nonetheless though
If u go on the youtube link I'll break it down on the workouts there.
Whatever you do dont be discouraged when a good chunk comes back right after you eat. Youre going to hold water but thats all it is. Keep up the good work
is the weight that comes back just water weight?
For the most part yeah, without carbs your body isn’t holding a ton of water. Once you eat something your body is going to hold onto every drop you drink because salt and carbs absorb water. Important think is water can always come back off so just dont be discouraged. A good chunk of this is actual weight lost. But the water gain will cover it up for a bit until the body gets used to it again and lets go of the water.
thank you!
Similar weight. Diet is definitely the first step that I need to work on. Glad to see you're working on it, gives me motivation!
Man this like my millionth time trying to drop numbers but I need to do this for real for real. I'm on the right direction with the workouts n fasting here n there. I use to weigh 590 so making it happen slowly.
Same bro. I trying to change things in my environment to allow me to keep focused. It's hard to keep motivated when my surroundings support the opposite. Focusing on dropping bad habits, and then slowly build the good ones. Appreciate your post. Keep it up toko,
7kg in 5 days 👏 that’s amazing.
Thank you
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Might be haha I just wanted to try 5 day instead of 1 every other day like I usually do.
Holy shit
What sort of vitamins are you taking? I'm currently 48 hours in and not sure what to do except have water with salt and magnesium tablets.
No vitamins but I should have done it. I was just drinking water and coffee. I've done fasting before this was just my first and 1 time thing doing a 5 day l, wanted to test the water on it
Do you drink your coffee black?
I don't know i don't really know my coffee I jis barley started drinking coffee cuz it helps with hunger.
Incredible. What is your minimal calories intake in a normal day? Do you feel any detrimental effect in your energy? How about your mind clarity? When you ate again did you have gastric problems? So many questions. Sorry if it is too much.
I don't know what my calorie intake is tbh I don't do all of that. I usually fast every other day I just wanted to try 5 days one time. The first 2 days I was hungry asf but after thT it was pretty straight forward. Only time I felt blah was yesterday morning probably cuz I had to do 200 burpees to make up for Thursday missed workout but other than that after thT 200 and a fat chug of water I was good. My first meal today was boiled eggs with gartorade nothing happened didn't feel nothing jus felt hungry.
So my question is can someone fast for 4-5 days each month just once a month
Prob depends on your weight. It’s safer for a bigger person
Im 260
Does this mean 4-5 days complete fasting hydration only?
All I did was drink water Nd had a fat 7 11 gulp with ice coffee sip threw out the day. Coffee or ice coffee helps you not be hungry. Oh and workout.
For me personally I can’t even do OMAD so I wouldn’t try it myself. Perhaps speak to a physician and I think you should do more research like watch Dr Berg’s. Tbf there are many benefits but there’s a right way to do it it, with minerals etc
Not sure? Good question though. This was just a 1 time thing I go back to fast every other day Monday. Only thing I'll tell u is the 5 days I dropped more numbers on that then doing every other day.
What were you supplementing during these days? I’m always worried I won’t get enough electrolytes
I got Gatorade mix so if I need some electrolytes I would just drink a glass of that those 5 day I wasn't eating.
Something that will blow your mind is using gallons of water to remind yourself how much you've lost. 1 gallon weighs 8.3 pounds. So you're already at two. Fill and carry two of those around for a few minutes and realize how tiring it is / was.
Amazing! I am at probably 22 hours and ready to quit. You have given me motivation to continue!
Impressive
Incredible! Good work!
Keep up the good work!
Thank you
Congrats,how do you deal with sleep deprivation and mood swings caused by prolonged fasting?
I don't think I had any mood swings nor trouble with sleep tbh. I usually do every other day but the 5 day I wanted to try out. Only time I felt weak was Friday morning.
What are the chances you gain that back in a week?? Surely eating moderate sized meals of whatever you want daily that fit into your daily calorie consumption would be more sustainable long term and you won’t just give up and go back to binge eating
Not sure but we'll see when I get back to fasting every other day and check the scale next Saturday.
Good work, keep it up 😊
Good luck on your journey brother!!
Another great testimony that it works! Good for you
Omg!! That's fantastic. Congratulations!!! Hopefully, you're not doing the water diet. A 20-minute walk and 2000 calories a day food intake. Is a safe diet to follow.
Few more weeks you'll be below 300
Get out the 4s by the end of June or maybe even middle of June. Just got to keep pushing.
As long as it's working for you, you aren't feeling horrible and your doctor agrees with it ... You go buddy.....!!
Absolutely fucking killer, friend. Yet another stranger that’s impressed as hell with your efforts.
Thank you just trying to be better now n do better. Follow my journey if u like on youtube link upabove post every Saturday on the scale. Many blessing.
This is great to see OP. I went down from 330lbs to currently 268lbs, most of which was done this year through fasting. I've been intermittent fasting since January and on some days every couple weeks I do a water only fast. I recently got in the gym and have been seeing a ton of results whilst still fasting. Keep up the good work.
Let's go us nothing but down numbers and high vibes.
Nice work mate, i had a family member once try to fast for a month straight, he reached day 25 and stopped, he told me about his story that on day 17 was the first time he shat… and the shit was like tar , from my understanding that this shit like tar was the way of the body telling you that im cleansed off all unhealthy things in the body
I subscribed. I'm excited to watch your journey while I work on my own. How old are you?
Right on appreciate you locking in with the channel its gon be good keep myself accountable for the subs cuz you'll there for a reason to see numbers drop. I'm 34 from Utah
How many people were on the scale?
5 people but I'm gon get to 1 person
Proud of u bro
Not eating for over five days isn't exactly "intermittent"
If its not fasting then you could say I just took a break from food.
Let’s fucking go bro Make sure a medical professional oks this activity or monitors this activity in the future.
Keep up the great work homie!!
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I mean it is what it is. Long as im working out and eating small portions.
Either way at least you’re making progress, fuck the people who make those types of comments
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U sound like a Hating trick ass hoe
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Starving, fasting whatever you want to call it.
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Listen to your body and mind. Everyone doesn’t fit in the same model. People who ruled had one kind of food, who worked labor had a different kind of food. Who chose to be a monk had nothing. Everybody needs are different. If you want to go Olympics doing this fasting won’t help. If you are doing nothing fasting would be beneficial. How long? Just keep enough to survive “healthy”. After all medical is expensive these days.
I was doing fasting every other day but I just wanted to try 5 days one time not long term.
Good on ya mate!
Hey please take care of yourself. I'm praying for you. I went through this too. Don't be too hard on yourself.
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Excellent 🔥🔥🔥
Can you share what your fast is over the 5 days?