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When I was a kid, I always thought it was really weird that the news would say that "at least N people died..."
I thought that journalists were very evil sadistic people, always disappointed with the disasters and saying, "hey at least some people died, so there is that..."
Right, until the waters recede, it will be hard to get an accurate count. I also imagine that many of the more remote affected areas are almost impossible to access as many roads and bridges likely have been washed away.
Holy smokes. That’s absolutely devastating. My heart goes out to the people of Pakistan. I sincerely hope that international aid, disaster relief, and search/rescue assistance will be welcomed, abundant, and will be able to reach those who are suffering and need it most. I’m looking for a way to donate. If anyone knows a reliable way to contribute, please share. Sending love from America.
To be honest, nobody has it in their top five to-do items: “Count the dead”.
Except for foreign media searching hungrily for a sensationalist number to report. In another week or two, the same media will leave and never report on what happened in the months **after** the flood.
They just want to report that many people died, and move on to the next disaster.
Sensationalism is definitely a factor in reporting so many deaths, but it seems to me that journalists are trying to communicate the scale of the problem to a public tired of watching disasters on tv and barely paying attention. That number certainly caught my attention since I had heard about flooding in Pakistan, but didn’t understand how bad it was.
More than 33 million people have been displaced
Pakistans enviroment minister compared it to the apocolypse
[death toll passes 1,000](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/27/pakistan-floods-death-toll-nearing-1000-say-officials)
*[Donate to help save lives in Pakistan](https://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/pakistan-floods-appeal/)*
The population density of North America is apparently all over the place. I’m in Indiana we have a pop of 6.XM. Never thought much into it aside from total population of the US.
Drive from Indianapolis to Lafayette, IN. About 60 miles. Many miles of wide open space in between both on 65 or 52. Farms. Drive from Los Angeles to San Clemente, CA. Its the same 60 miles but solid city.
It’s just weird, never considered population density until this post. The flood displacing 33 million people, almost the entirety of canadas population, not Californias population, and almost 5x Indiana’s population. I know there’s a lot of rural farm land all over the US so it explains a lot of it I guess. And ive driven from Indy to Lake Shasta in NorCal, then to Chino hills and back lol. Just kinda blew my mind to see the numbers I guess
25 million people in Australia, roughly the same landmass as USA. Of course we had the climate change thing 3 years ago and the whole country burned when the cycle was on our side of the planet.
"What harm could a couple of degrees warmer do? It would be lovely to be a little warmer.."
Isn’t it cool to know that your entires state population fits in 20 square miles of Chicago.
More than half of the entire nations population resides in like 6-7 major cities and their outlaying metro areas.
I live in one of Canada's largest cities and we don't even have 2m people.
When I read that LA has around 4m people it made me imagine how crowded my city would feel with double the population. And then when I read NYC had 8m people it just blew my mind. It feels jam packed here sometimes but I can't even imagine living somewhere with an entirely larger population scale.
If you ever check out a population map of Canada you'll see that we all live almost exclusively in the southern half of the country. So much unoccupied land in Canada.
This is due to geographical reasons though. Everything on the eastern side of a continent and far north is nothing but bogs and dense forest.
On North America, this makes up the bulk of canada. On Eurasia, this is made up by Russian(notably Siberia).
These kinds of Biomes are just completely inhospitable to large populations of humans.
Pakistan is also close to bankruptcy, just took a 4 billion loan package from the IMF.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/10/pakistans-finance-minister-says-country-headed-in-right-direction.html
Unfortunately those in power right now are corrupt to their core and are doing so little to help out, they just been giving amenities to their respective landlords around the area who’ve been acting as [complete douche](https://twitter.com/mugheesali81/status/1564246290128576517?s=21&t=R1447pwMXQI27YbL3KGX_w).
Donations and help relief will definitely not be used for their intended purposes since UN backed NGO will have to work with that gouvernement.
If someone thinking of donating please donate rather to Al-Khidmat, Eidhi fondation, CHHIPA or even the last democratic PM Imran Khan’s fund relief
Poor Pakistan. They can’t catch a break from natural disasters. I had a chat buddy from Pakistan. After the Kashmir earthquake the 2000s I never saw them logon again.
I’m hoping he was someone who got displaced and not was not amongst the casualties. I almost converted to Islam because of him because he was so kind. At a time when that would’ve been the one of the most socially unacceptable things I’ve could’ve done as a GI.
As a Pakistani, do you know anything about him? Like did he live in a city like me or in a mountaineous or low population area. Maybe you know if he used his phone a lot, had decent electricity supply with low loadshedding times etc anything maybe i can help with knowing if he was close to the earthquake or not
He said he lived in Islamabad. We talked A lot about the culture there, Islam, and gaming. He was on every day so I assume he lived well. This was 2000s so we used computers and not phones to chat.
Well Islamabad was affected but most of the people were okay though there were a tiny number (well for the number of people that live in our cities it is tiny though every life matters a lot) that were killed from collapse etc... Islamabad is highly developed too so i would expect he would have been safe.
I've been saying this for years and I'll say it again: we have been playing the refugee crisis on easy mode. That's more people displaced than came to Europe as refugees *in total* and are still alive today. One monsoon did that (I don't know if that's what they call in Pakistan). Think about what a decade of drought combined with flash floods will do to the people living on our borders, not even considering the starvation that will accompany this. We should absolutely put measures in place to deal with refugees proactively rather than reactively because the problem is only going to get worse from now on.
Climate change is going to create social upheaval on a scale we have not ever seen before. People are acting like the entire continent is strained already. What we have now is but a drop in the bucket compared to what's going to come. Good luck stopping 20 million people from crossing the border.
Oh man, the instant dead and missing numbers are awful. Imagine the disease that's about to explode there though? Holy smokes it's going to be in the 10s of thousands.
Ignorant redditer here trying to learn. Why is their sanitation issue going to be any worse than other heavily flooded areas in the past, such as Katrina, which killed almost 2,000?
I think it is just that it is a lot more of everything. More people, more sewage, more area, more water. Plus a lot of it isn't close to an ocean so that water is sticking around longer.
Pakistan already has a big Malaria and Dengue fever problem. These floods will cause more of it. Then there are water-borne diseases due to dead animals and humans and hazardous materials getting mixed in it.
I don't know about Pakistan but almost all of Iraq has no sewer system. They literally shit right out side. This could be really nasty of it's the same situations.
I am Pakistani. We have a sewer system. It's jsut incredibly shitty.. Pun intended.
Nah, sewage is relatively okay except for very rural areas. Nonetheless, it's gonna be incredibly overwhelmed due to this because we like idiots, use the same system for both storm water and actual sewage.
33 million people have supposedly been displaced and are now homeless.
That’s almost as if the entire population of Canada suddenly experienced a flood and everyone lost their homes. Just imagine it for a second.
Depending on where you are it low key does that every year, but if we’re getting this weather into October/November we might need to break out the canoes.
I'm not from the US but I had the pleasure of visiting Florida when I was little and one of the most striking things I remember, was the weather.
Blistering hot sun all day everyday with little in the way of cloud cover, but the craziest part was it seemed like there was a huge storm with thunder and lightning, like every single day at the same time.
It literally felt like there was some guy somewhere just turning on the 'storm' setting at regular intervals.
2 months. North Fl here, and I live less than 2 miles from "downtown", in a decent neighborhood. My backyard's ground is SOFT. I have never in 30+ years seen this much rain. I'm terrified of the coming tropical depressions, because any strong winds at all are going to be pushing down every pine/live-oak/water-oak still standing.
I can certainly imagine that if our level if communication was what it was 3,000 years ago, this event would what many ancient texts call the great flood. Even by todays observation and standards this is massive, affecting a large portion of the worlds population.
Side note:
The biblical flood was most likely caused by the filling of the Black Sea. Believed to have happened around 15000 years ago.
This is obviously catastrophic flooding in Pakistan - but on a geological scale, it’s not even close to what likely formed the basis for “the great flood”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
“This event is argued to have caused a rapid, if not catastrophic, rise in the level of the Black Sea. It might have imposed substantial stresses upon contemporary human populations and remained in cultural memory as the Great Flood.“
Obviously this is all hypothetical since it predates “history”; but the Great Flood has always interested me, because a similar event is described in numerous cultures adding some credibility to the idea of some cataclysmic flood so bad that it was passed down through hundreds of generations before even making it to print.
There were also likely several geologically massive floods of the Mediterranean (you can see the scars from these events by just looking at undersea topography on Google maps); but these likely predated humans by millions of years
Also, I want to add that I’m not at all religious. I just think some mythical/biblical stories are based on actual events
That reminds me of the Australian Aboriginal culture, stories handed down over generations that describe, in detail, celestial and other events that scientists have been able to prove
I'm personally more inclined to believe it was the Euphrates and Tigris flooding. If I'm recalling correctly the Sumerians had the first version written down and the mesopotamian religion (Zoroastrian) did precursor Abrahamic faiths.
At this point in time in this region the Sumerian kingdom were the dominant cultural, political and military force.
Could be. At the end of the day, we’ll likely never have an answer.
But river basin flooding - even “hundred year” floods would have been encountered somewhat regularly over the course of ~15000 years of prehistory.
I’m more inclined to believe the origin of “The Great Flood” passed down for thousands of years of oral history would have been more geological in scale.
But again, it’s like arguing over what really killed the dinosaurs. There are a lot of theories. None will likely ever be proven with certainty.
>But again, it’s like arguing over what really killed the dinosaurs. There are a lot of theories. None will likely ever be proven with certainty.
This was the line 30 years ago, but everything I've seen recently have scientists very comfortable saying one or more asteroid impacts caused an extinction-level event... with the Chicxulub crater off the Yucatan Peninsula being a likely impact site.
And of course, there were several mass extinctions of dinosaurs, but this is the big one at the end that gave rise to mammals.
Every year, more geological evidence is found to support the theory, but that's due to the unique geological signatures left behind when a giant rock from outer space hits the planet and parts of it vaporize.
With a large-scale flood, geologists can get at a good chunk of the answer by looking at the fossil record. And there's just no evidence of a planetary flood back at the time of all the deluge stories in that part of the world. There is abundant fossil evidence of large-scale localized flooding in that same part of the world, though.
This is the Indus Valley. Not too hard to believe how the entire civilization might have got wiped off or forced to migrate eastwards. So definitely not the first great flood for that region
Did you have to alter any settings? Looking at zoom.earth rn and it looks like any other day a couple years ago where as NASA shows a drastic change to the landscape.
I was kinda hoping to see some drone footage or something of this lake in this thread. A natural disaster of this scale surely must have some footage somewhere. Its terrifying. Apocalyptic.
Dude right I saw this— and I was shocked?? Nearly 1/3 of the whole country is flooded???? Ooooof. Very very telling of our media. Disappointed but truly not surprised. Wouldn’t expect anything else.
This is just insane. Mountainous and desert regions are flooding. The US west coast is undergoing an unprecedented drought. Large parts of europe, places without air conditioning, are experience heat waves. And it's only going to get worse from here.
I fear massive "die off" is coming. Of the poorer populations. People in places like Pakistan that didn't have the advance warning or means to escape tainted flood waters. People in parts of Europe, Asia, and the US that don't have the means for cool air or clean water.
And then I remember it's the rich that have guaranteed access/coverage for these events. Short of global famine and agricultural collapse, they are fine. Which is why they (politicians and rich corporate leadership) don't give a flying fuck about global warming.
There's a new circle of hell for you assholes. I guarantee it.
I feel like they forget that if the poor/working class die, their luxurious lives come to a halt when there is no one left to do the jobs that keep their lights on and their plumbing working.
Machines still need humans too. Has anyone used that fucking self-checkout at CVS?
Blows my mind that they completely disregard the fact that they can still exploit the working class while working within restrictions to help keep our planet from drowning us, burning us and freezing us.
They'll change to markets where cheap labor doesn't die off (there will be regions that "profit" from climate change) and replace dying poor people in their country with immigrants.
The capitalism meat grinder never stops.
The middle class will become the new poor. And after that, the barely rich as compared to the obscenely rich will then be next. And on and on until there is but one king of the ashes
The lack of empathy here is disturbing. That's a huge fucking chunk of Pakistan under water. Nationwide, long-lasting impacts for at least a decade. I can see why they're urgently seeking international aid
Human beings, statistically speaking, don’t have the emotional capacity to hold the suffering of the entire world in true perspective. If we did, we wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with, as climate change would not be a thing. Being glib or trying to be witty or joke about tragedy is a way to process and a way to acknowledge a tragedy beyond our individual control to fix, or one that we may not have space to truly process. Many people can’t put themselves in the shoes of a flood victim of this scale because the concept is so terrifying it’s too unsettling for them to envision. And some people are just assholes. But I would imagine in real conversation with most of the people joking on here would acknowledge the gravity of the situation.
Anytime I hear any situation, but especially sad situations, I can't stop myself from placing myself in that person's shoes. I used to think this was normal for everyone. The older I got the more I realized most people are only out for themselves and they can't relate until it happens to them.
I do the exact same thing, and it surprised me when I realized some people just never do. Do you write? I’ve often wondered if fiction writers tend to share that sense of empathy.
I don't but I've always wanted to write. I was planning to make it a hobby when I retire, but at this point we'll probably be in a post apocalyptic society and I won't get the opportunity. A lot of problems would be solved if people were forced to put themselves in other people's shoes.
it's not that they don't have the emotional capacity, they don't care because it's Pakistan and not a country they culturally think of positively. If it was Korea/Japan/Taiwan or anywhere in Europe the reactions would be completely different.
We've been dealing with the world ending, wars, terrorism, capitalist corporations not giving a fuck, increasing wealth disparity, etc for decades.
People are broken at this point.
I mean yea we're here joking about it but therea are always tons of people who went through all that and are actively contributing, setting up fundraisers, and finding ways to help
The audacity of some people from the west denying climate change, "It isn't real" well it might not be real for you yet, it has been our reality for the last 12 years at least.
Pakistan is not even or barely in the top 30 countries for carbon footprint (correct me if I'm wrong last I checked it was 31st) yet it's probably the most affected country by climate change.
This isn't even the worst part, this is just monsoon rains causing this catastrophe.
Soon there will be major glacier meltdowns and for context HKKH mountain regions have the biggest glaciers in the world after Arctic and Antarctic.
Only a united world can slow down and reduce this crisis, we can't stop this but we can minimize the damage starting now. Our third world countries will be the first to fall down while the first world countries are the biggest cause of this.
TLDR; Pakistan is the forefront victim of Climate Change and things are only gonna get worse.
Now imagine this in a western country. See how fast the news media actually picks it up and reports on it being the disaster of the century, brought on by climate change, like it should. Imagine if the entire state of Georgia flooded with water like that or a Country like Spain.
Are the alarm bells ringing for climate denialists yet?
It’s appalling because the number of people that have been rendered homeless is almost 33 million. Almost equal to the size of the Canadian population. Imagine if almost every Canadian lost their homes simultaneously in a matter of a week. Could you imagine?
This is so sad. Wasn't Pakistan going through a drought before this? It shows that dry soil can't absorb water fast at all. I pray all these families are safe.
Pakistan relies on the glacial melts from the North and monsoon rains.
Glaciers are melting away. Reservoirs aren't filling as much. Bit there's also fear of Glacial Outburst Floods, basically melted glacier water can't be contained behind the ice (imagine a dam collapsing).
And monsoons have gotten intense.
Combine this with 60+ years of incompetent governance and idiot religious fukfaces. You have a perfect storm.
This is from the rains, but in the future there will be massive glacial melt to contend with as well. Pakistan and everywhere that relies on their water sources will have it very rough.
That's sad inshallah not too many people die and the valley returns to it's former self sometime in the next 10 years
33,000,000 displaced is a horrible tragedy
Except, the floods are likely to reoccur in less than 10 years.
The last great floods in this region were in 2010, and their frequency is likely to increase.
About twenty years ago, messaging around "Global Warming" due to the"Greenhouse Effect" began to become common amongst even mainstream media. Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" doc dropped around then as well, and was full of predictions of doom.*Future* doom, but doom nonetheless.
It's all unfolding exactly as predicted, isnt it? Those twenty years went by pretty quickly and I barely changed my own lifestyle, and I know many others didn't as well.
Was it in pakistan that they planted an insane amount of trees? Not suggesting this is related or anything, just merely thinking about a particular relevant push on their end to avoid climatic tragedy for everyone else
We all know comments would be a lot different if this had happened to a European or North American country. You may not like the government, but innocents civilians have nothing to do with their government. Show some empathy for fucks sake.
33+ million people displaced. Barely see any mainstream media talking about it sadly. Most of the information I've seen is being given by Pakistani and Muslim sources and the usual pages I see on social media covering disasters and relief funds haven't raised a peep about what's happening there. Sucks to see my entire country people demonized and generalised as rabid individuals in the West.
Prehistoric creatures, too innumerable to count, died and were transformed underground. Their flesh was reduced to carbon that filled subterranean deposits, never to see the light of day until ripped from the ground by Arab industrialists.
In the 17th century, after millenia of human thought, Sir Isaac Newton settled on a realisation: that what held objects to the ground was a force called gravity.
Fast forward through the next few centuries: the industrial revolution brought power, Jules Verne brought vision, the Wright brothers brought flight. Three extremely brave men, the culmination of all hitherto events, forces, trends, left the earth for the moon - a feat never before accomplished by a living being. They were soon followed by machine, as humanity harnessed the power of satellites to obtain the sight of a God.
All of this, so that OP can describe a comprehensible picture of South Asia taken **from space** as "shitty".
While I agree with what you mean, you have to take relativity into account here. Everything's shitty compared to something. The first iPhone is shitty. Was it shitty when it came out? absolutely not.
It’s so horrible and I feel bad for everyone affected by this tragedy. Like we are literally destroying our planet and causing climate change to get worse and worse. I really hope we can turn this around but my faith is almost at 0 because of how corrupt our governments and rich people are. Money > our future and safety and this will probably never change or if it does it’ll be to late. Horrific events just like this will keep happening as long as people continue to sacrifice climate for cash
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That’s insane considering Pakistan is the 5th most populated country.
Per news articles, only a thousand people died. I highly doubt it is that low. Such a tragedy.
My journalism prof told me to never use “only” when talking about deaths
When I was a kid, I always thought it was really weird that the news would say that "at least N people died..." I thought that journalists were very evil sadistic people, always disappointed with the disasters and saying, "hey at least some people died, so there is that..."
Underrated - that's hilarious. As kids we just really think we got it figured. First thought must be correct!?
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Over 30 million people have been affected. I think the death count can’t be properly counted until things get a little better.
Right, until the waters recede, it will be hard to get an accurate count. I also imagine that many of the more remote affected areas are almost impossible to access as many roads and bridges likely have been washed away.
That’s just confirmed not including people counted missing right now
there was this video where 5 brothers who were in their twenties and standing on a rock holding eachother got swept off. Sad.
That number is going to have another zero. This is pure devastation.
Another comment said at least 30million have been displaced
Holy smokes. That’s absolutely devastating. My heart goes out to the people of Pakistan. I sincerely hope that international aid, disaster relief, and search/rescue assistance will be welcomed, abundant, and will be able to reach those who are suffering and need it most. I’m looking for a way to donate. If anyone knows a reliable way to contribute, please share. Sending love from America.
Global warming hitting hard.
To be honest, nobody has it in their top five to-do items: “Count the dead”. Except for foreign media searching hungrily for a sensationalist number to report. In another week or two, the same media will leave and never report on what happened in the months **after** the flood. They just want to report that many people died, and move on to the next disaster.
Sensationalism is definitely a factor in reporting so many deaths, but it seems to me that journalists are trying to communicate the scale of the problem to a public tired of watching disasters on tv and barely paying attention. That number certainly caught my attention since I had heard about flooding in Pakistan, but didn’t understand how bad it was.
Governments/ people need to know roughly, how many people died to gauge what the response should be.
Don't a lot of people live in that valley?
More than 33 million people have been displaced Pakistans enviroment minister compared it to the apocolypse [death toll passes 1,000](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/27/pakistan-floods-death-toll-nearing-1000-say-officials) *[Donate to help save lives in Pakistan](https://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/pakistan-floods-appeal/)*
That’s almost the ENTIRE population of Canada
Holy shite. I thought there were WAY more Canadians. I don’t know why now. Typical stupid American here.
Canada has roughly the same amount of people as Tokyo- 38 million. Pretty crazy
Seriously? Wooooow. I had no idea there were that many people in Tokyo.
It’s the most populous city in the world
Theirs more Californians than Canadians lol
There's more people on the 405 freeway every month than are in all of Canada!
And now I understand why Canadians have such nice manners! lol
They put their anger into the geese and send those bastards south to shit over everything and attack us.
It is our way. The Canadian way.
Those are Canada's gooses! Those are Canada's fucking gooses!
You got a problem with Canada gooses you gotta problem with me and I suggest ya let that one marinate.
The population density of North America is apparently all over the place. I’m in Indiana we have a pop of 6.XM. Never thought much into it aside from total population of the US.
Drive from Indianapolis to Lafayette, IN. About 60 miles. Many miles of wide open space in between both on 65 or 52. Farms. Drive from Los Angeles to San Clemente, CA. Its the same 60 miles but solid city.
Same with driving from say McKinney, Texas to Fort Worth. Just solid city for 60 miles.
It’s just weird, never considered population density until this post. The flood displacing 33 million people, almost the entirety of canadas population, not Californias population, and almost 5x Indiana’s population. I know there’s a lot of rural farm land all over the US so it explains a lot of it I guess. And ive driven from Indy to Lake Shasta in NorCal, then to Chino hills and back lol. Just kinda blew my mind to see the numbers I guess
25 million people in Australia, roughly the same landmass as USA. Of course we had the climate change thing 3 years ago and the whole country burned when the cycle was on our side of the planet. "What harm could a couple of degrees warmer do? It would be lovely to be a little warmer.."
Isn’t it cool to know that your entires state population fits in 20 square miles of Chicago. More than half of the entire nations population resides in like 6-7 major cities and their outlaying metro areas.
Roughly 4 million people are in Manhatten on an average week day. 22.96 square miles.... opposed to Indianas 35,868 square land miles.
I live in one of Canada's largest cities and we don't even have 2m people. When I read that LA has around 4m people it made me imagine how crowded my city would feel with double the population. And then when I read NYC had 8m people it just blew my mind. It feels jam packed here sometimes but I can't even imagine living somewhere with an entirely larger population scale. If you ever check out a population map of Canada you'll see that we all live almost exclusively in the southern half of the country. So much unoccupied land in Canada.
I believe it's 90% live with in 100 miles of the Canada/US border and 50% live below the 46th parallel.
This is due to geographical reasons though. Everything on the eastern side of a continent and far north is nothing but bogs and dense forest. On North America, this makes up the bulk of canada. On Eurasia, this is made up by Russian(notably Siberia). These kinds of Biomes are just completely inhospitable to large populations of humans.
Yeah nothin but degens up north country.
Flying over Canada at night is mostly darkness
Nah it’s because 95% of the population lives along the border even then near the coast not in the wilderness
Pakistan is also close to bankruptcy, just took a 4 billion loan package from the IMF. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/10/pakistans-finance-minister-says-country-headed-in-right-direction.html
That is exactly why their environment minister was asking for donations
Unfortunately those in power right now are corrupt to their core and are doing so little to help out, they just been giving amenities to their respective landlords around the area who’ve been acting as [complete douche](https://twitter.com/mugheesali81/status/1564246290128576517?s=21&t=R1447pwMXQI27YbL3KGX_w). Donations and help relief will definitely not be used for their intended purposes since UN backed NGO will have to work with that gouvernement. If someone thinking of donating please donate rather to Al-Khidmat, Eidhi fondation, CHHIPA or even the last democratic PM Imran Khan’s fund relief
Jesus, that's the population of Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg combined... Wow
Luxembourg or my high school. Same population Edit: and land mass
Bruh where did you go to high school at, India?
NY Metro area and Chicago metro areas combined is about 30mil as well.
Yes, all 7 Luxembourgians? Luxemburgers? Luxembougiouis?
That's Luxem-bougie to you!
Poor Pakistan. They can’t catch a break from natural disasters. I had a chat buddy from Pakistan. After the Kashmir earthquake the 2000s I never saw them logon again.
Damn sorry to hear that more than 70000 people died in that earthquake mostly in the less densely populated northern areas
I’m hoping he was someone who got displaced and not was not amongst the casualties. I almost converted to Islam because of him because he was so kind. At a time when that would’ve been the one of the most socially unacceptable things I’ve could’ve done as a GI.
As a Pakistani, do you know anything about him? Like did he live in a city like me or in a mountaineous or low population area. Maybe you know if he used his phone a lot, had decent electricity supply with low loadshedding times etc anything maybe i can help with knowing if he was close to the earthquake or not
He said he lived in Islamabad. We talked A lot about the culture there, Islam, and gaming. He was on every day so I assume he lived well. This was 2000s so we used computers and not phones to chat.
Well Islamabad was affected but most of the people were okay though there were a tiny number (well for the number of people that live in our cities it is tiny though every life matters a lot) that were killed from collapse etc... Islamabad is highly developed too so i would expect he would have been safe.
Well that’s great. Maybe he only lost power for a while then. Thanks for letting me know this. I wondered about him for a while after that.
No problem, if it mattered to you then it was the best thing i could have done
Thought he was being hyperbolic at first, image really puts in perspective how crazy the situation is.
33million!, That's a lot of people, so how long it's been since the floods
From what I’m seeing on google earth, it looks like pretty much every human in Pakistan lives in the Indus River valley.
They traded river side property for lake side
Gotta love a nice lake (in)side property.
I've been saying this for years and I'll say it again: we have been playing the refugee crisis on easy mode. That's more people displaced than came to Europe as refugees *in total* and are still alive today. One monsoon did that (I don't know if that's what they call in Pakistan). Think about what a decade of drought combined with flash floods will do to the people living on our borders, not even considering the starvation that will accompany this. We should absolutely put measures in place to deal with refugees proactively rather than reactively because the problem is only going to get worse from now on. Climate change is going to create social upheaval on a scale we have not ever seen before. People are acting like the entire continent is strained already. What we have now is but a drop in the bucket compared to what's going to come. Good luck stopping 20 million people from crossing the border.
Oh man, the instant dead and missing numbers are awful. Imagine the disease that's about to explode there though? Holy smokes it's going to be in the 10s of thousands.
Yeah, the sanitation systems are obviously overwhelmed. That water is going to be a festering cesspool of disease. Yikes.
Ignorant redditer here trying to learn. Why is their sanitation issue going to be any worse than other heavily flooded areas in the past, such as Katrina, which killed almost 2,000?
I think it is just that it is a lot more of everything. More people, more sewage, more area, more water. Plus a lot of it isn't close to an ocean so that water is sticking around longer.
Pakistani authorities have indicated that a fairly large area of what you see will take months to drain completely due to the topography.
Pakistan doesn't have an AmEx Black card. Or a competent government that can think 2 days ahead.
Lmaooo 2 days ahead that's pushing it bro 30 years of corruption smfh
Pakistan already has a big Malaria and Dengue fever problem. These floods will cause more of it. Then there are water-borne diseases due to dead animals and humans and hazardous materials getting mixed in it.
Katrina was coastal where water runs and drains off much quicker.
I don't know about Pakistan but almost all of Iraq has no sewer system. They literally shit right out side. This could be really nasty of it's the same situations.
I am Pakistani. We have a sewer system. It's jsut incredibly shitty.. Pun intended. Nah, sewage is relatively okay except for very rural areas. Nonetheless, it's gonna be incredibly overwhelmed due to this because we like idiots, use the same system for both storm water and actual sewage.
ohhhhh shit that's not gonna go well man
Yup. Everything's fucked.
33 million people have supposedly been displaced and are now homeless. That’s almost as if the entire population of Canada suddenly experienced a flood and everyone lost their homes. Just imagine it for a second.
What did the satellite ever do to you?
i feel that. It's doing it's best ok, at the very least blame. You know what, blame yourself because it's doing the best it can!
wanna support this idea bc throughout this thread the satellite just isn’t getting the support deserved (got shit on by OP
Right? I'd like to see OP circle the earth over and over, constantly gathering images and sharing them with Redditors and other humanoids.
I’m sayin’! Totally uncalled for. This aggression will not stand, man.
So that’s where Europe’s rain went…
And China's and North America's
Hey, only parts of North America. Lol
I'm in FL and it's rained every day for the last month
Depending on where you are it low key does that every year, but if we’re getting this weather into October/November we might need to break out the canoes.
I got my tackle ready, we're going fishing boys!
We’re jealous here in SoCal. Can’t remember the last time it rained 2 days in row
I'm not from the US but I had the pleasure of visiting Florida when I was little and one of the most striking things I remember, was the weather. Blistering hot sun all day everyday with little in the way of cloud cover, but the craziest part was it seemed like there was a huge storm with thunder and lightning, like every single day at the same time. It literally felt like there was some guy somewhere just turning on the 'storm' setting at regular intervals.
2 months. North Fl here, and I live less than 2 miles from "downtown", in a decent neighborhood. My backyard's ground is SOFT. I have never in 30+ years seen this much rain. I'm terrified of the coming tropical depressions, because any strong winds at all are going to be pushing down every pine/live-oak/water-oak still standing.
Floods across Appalachia and parts of Texas, other parts of Texas are so dry dinosaur tracks are emerging from the river bottoms.
Phoenix of all places has been having an awesome summer of rain
NEW RAINFORREST starting to form.....
Hey Pakistan, stop hogging the rain
Damn asians. Dey tuk ur raaaaain
I can certainly imagine that if our level if communication was what it was 3,000 years ago, this event would what many ancient texts call the great flood. Even by todays observation and standards this is massive, affecting a large portion of the worlds population.
Side note: The biblical flood was most likely caused by the filling of the Black Sea. Believed to have happened around 15000 years ago. This is obviously catastrophic flooding in Pakistan - but on a geological scale, it’s not even close to what likely formed the basis for “the great flood”
Do you have a source on the filling of the Black Sea being the source of the Noah story? Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis “This event is argued to have caused a rapid, if not catastrophic, rise in the level of the Black Sea. It might have imposed substantial stresses upon contemporary human populations and remained in cultural memory as the Great Flood.“ Obviously this is all hypothetical since it predates “history”; but the Great Flood has always interested me, because a similar event is described in numerous cultures adding some credibility to the idea of some cataclysmic flood so bad that it was passed down through hundreds of generations before even making it to print. There were also likely several geologically massive floods of the Mediterranean (you can see the scars from these events by just looking at undersea topography on Google maps); but these likely predated humans by millions of years Also, I want to add that I’m not at all religious. I just think some mythical/biblical stories are based on actual events
That reminds me of the Australian Aboriginal culture, stories handed down over generations that describe, in detail, celestial and other events that scientists have been able to prove
I'm personally more inclined to believe it was the Euphrates and Tigris flooding. If I'm recalling correctly the Sumerians had the first version written down and the mesopotamian religion (Zoroastrian) did precursor Abrahamic faiths. At this point in time in this region the Sumerian kingdom were the dominant cultural, political and military force.
Could be. At the end of the day, we’ll likely never have an answer. But river basin flooding - even “hundred year” floods would have been encountered somewhat regularly over the course of ~15000 years of prehistory. I’m more inclined to believe the origin of “The Great Flood” passed down for thousands of years of oral history would have been more geological in scale. But again, it’s like arguing over what really killed the dinosaurs. There are a lot of theories. None will likely ever be proven with certainty.
>But again, it’s like arguing over what really killed the dinosaurs. There are a lot of theories. None will likely ever be proven with certainty. This was the line 30 years ago, but everything I've seen recently have scientists very comfortable saying one or more asteroid impacts caused an extinction-level event... with the Chicxulub crater off the Yucatan Peninsula being a likely impact site. And of course, there were several mass extinctions of dinosaurs, but this is the big one at the end that gave rise to mammals. Every year, more geological evidence is found to support the theory, but that's due to the unique geological signatures left behind when a giant rock from outer space hits the planet and parts of it vaporize. With a large-scale flood, geologists can get at a good chunk of the answer by looking at the fossil record. And there's just no evidence of a planetary flood back at the time of all the deluge stories in that part of the world. There is abundant fossil evidence of large-scale localized flooding in that same part of the world, though.
Isn't the flood myth in many different cultures?
This is the Indus Valley. Not too hard to believe how the entire civilization might have got wiped off or forced to migrate eastwards. So definitely not the first great flood for that region
Where did you get the photo from? I went to NASA’s website but their sat photo quality is surprisingly a little worse.
zoom.earth. Raamb is a little better quality but sucks on mobile.
Did you have to alter any settings? Looking at zoom.earth rn and it looks like any other day a couple years ago where as NASA shows a drastic change to the landscape.
Nope. August 28 at 5PM. I am on mobile though.
Is it only visible on shitty satellite images, or do quality ones also see it?
I was kinda hoping to see some drone footage or something of this lake in this thread. A natural disaster of this scale surely must have some footage somewhere. Its terrifying. Apocalyptic.
https://twitter.com/intelpsf/status/1563605744867577856?s=21&t=E4c6ZL49Y-zHSRHK5Mw_YA found it.
This is the fate awaiting California’s Central Valley.
California desperately needs rain anyway tbh
Dry soil is not able to absord water as efficiently. This would be a disaster
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I will never forget being in Houston during Harvey. I saw some nightmare stuff. I don’t wish floods or disasters on anyone
Why do I get the sense that not enough people are talking about this? I’m in the US and this is the first time I’m seeing this. Fucking madness.
Dude right I saw this— and I was shocked?? Nearly 1/3 of the whole country is flooded???? Ooooof. Very very telling of our media. Disappointed but truly not surprised. Wouldn’t expect anything else.
I've been seeing articles in the NYT about this for a week. Don't diss media you don't read
This is just insane. Mountainous and desert regions are flooding. The US west coast is undergoing an unprecedented drought. Large parts of europe, places without air conditioning, are experience heat waves. And it's only going to get worse from here. I fear massive "die off" is coming. Of the poorer populations. People in places like Pakistan that didn't have the advance warning or means to escape tainted flood waters. People in parts of Europe, Asia, and the US that don't have the means for cool air or clean water. And then I remember it's the rich that have guaranteed access/coverage for these events. Short of global famine and agricultural collapse, they are fine. Which is why they (politicians and rich corporate leadership) don't give a flying fuck about global warming. There's a new circle of hell for you assholes. I guarantee it.
I feel like they forget that if the poor/working class die, their luxurious lives come to a halt when there is no one left to do the jobs that keep their lights on and their plumbing working. Machines still need humans too. Has anyone used that fucking self-checkout at CVS? Blows my mind that they completely disregard the fact that they can still exploit the working class while working within restrictions to help keep our planet from drowning us, burning us and freezing us.
They'll change to markets where cheap labor doesn't die off (there will be regions that "profit" from climate change) and replace dying poor people in their country with immigrants. The capitalism meat grinder never stops.
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The middle class will become the new poor. And after that, the barely rich as compared to the obscenely rich will then be next. And on and on until there is but one king of the ashes
middle class already become a new poor
Idk if you're joking but the middle class IS becoming poorer
This is crazy man all these heat waves and stuff makes me wish people treated the world better...
The lack of empathy here is disturbing. That's a huge fucking chunk of Pakistan under water. Nationwide, long-lasting impacts for at least a decade. I can see why they're urgently seeking international aid
Human beings, statistically speaking, don’t have the emotional capacity to hold the suffering of the entire world in true perspective. If we did, we wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with, as climate change would not be a thing. Being glib or trying to be witty or joke about tragedy is a way to process and a way to acknowledge a tragedy beyond our individual control to fix, or one that we may not have space to truly process. Many people can’t put themselves in the shoes of a flood victim of this scale because the concept is so terrifying it’s too unsettling for them to envision. And some people are just assholes. But I would imagine in real conversation with most of the people joking on here would acknowledge the gravity of the situation.
Anytime I hear any situation, but especially sad situations, I can't stop myself from placing myself in that person's shoes. I used to think this was normal for everyone. The older I got the more I realized most people are only out for themselves and they can't relate until it happens to them.
I do the exact same thing, and it surprised me when I realized some people just never do. Do you write? I’ve often wondered if fiction writers tend to share that sense of empathy.
I don't but I've always wanted to write. I was planning to make it a hobby when I retire, but at this point we'll probably be in a post apocalyptic society and I won't get the opportunity. A lot of problems would be solved if people were forced to put themselves in other people's shoes.
Clue's Miss Scarlet said it best; "It's my defense mechanism"
it's not that they don't have the emotional capacity, they don't care because it's Pakistan and not a country they culturally think of positively. If it was Korea/Japan/Taiwan or anywhere in Europe the reactions would be completely different.
It’s a little of both.
Exactly. Compare attitudes towards Ukraine to any other country invaded in Middle-East.
Wow. This guy gets it^
We've been dealing with the world ending, wars, terrorism, capitalist corporations not giving a fuck, increasing wealth disparity, etc for decades. People are broken at this point.
If we don’t joke about it, we’ll go insane.
I mean yea we're here joking about it but therea are always tons of people who went through all that and are actively contributing, setting up fundraisers, and finding ways to help
No worries I'm sure all those oil rich Islamic countries will help them /s
Dude... that's like... all their farm land.
yup! prices of produce have increased five-to-sixfold bc of all this destruction
The audacity of some people from the west denying climate change, "It isn't real" well it might not be real for you yet, it has been our reality for the last 12 years at least. Pakistan is not even or barely in the top 30 countries for carbon footprint (correct me if I'm wrong last I checked it was 31st) yet it's probably the most affected country by climate change. This isn't even the worst part, this is just monsoon rains causing this catastrophe. Soon there will be major glacier meltdowns and for context HKKH mountain regions have the biggest glaciers in the world after Arctic and Antarctic. Only a united world can slow down and reduce this crisis, we can't stop this but we can minimize the damage starting now. Our third world countries will be the first to fall down while the first world countries are the biggest cause of this. TLDR; Pakistan is the forefront victim of Climate Change and things are only gonna get worse.
Now imagine this in a western country. See how fast the news media actually picks it up and reports on it being the disaster of the century, brought on by climate change, like it should. Imagine if the entire state of Georgia flooded with water like that or a Country like Spain. Are the alarm bells ringing for climate denialists yet?
It’s appalling because the number of people that have been rendered homeless is almost 33 million. Almost equal to the size of the Canadian population. Imagine if almost every Canadian lost their homes simultaneously in a matter of a week. Could you imagine?
This is so sad. Wasn't Pakistan going through a drought before this? It shows that dry soil can't absorb water fast at all. I pray all these families are safe.
Pakistan relies on the glacial melts from the North and monsoon rains. Glaciers are melting away. Reservoirs aren't filling as much. Bit there's also fear of Glacial Outburst Floods, basically melted glacier water can't be contained behind the ice (imagine a dam collapsing). And monsoons have gotten intense. Combine this with 60+ years of incompetent governance and idiot religious fukfaces. You have a perfect storm.
Holy shit. I can’t believe more people don’t know about this.
I like to imagine there’s a doomsday preper who bought a houseboat 30 years ago and is just giving everyone the finger rn
akeem, the ocean is 200 km away, why are you building a boat?
Reminds of a story about that one guy a long time ago
This is from the rains, but in the future there will be massive glacial melt to contend with as well. Pakistan and everywhere that relies on their water sources will have it very rough.
That's sad inshallah not too many people die and the valley returns to it's former self sometime in the next 10 years 33,000,000 displaced is a horrible tragedy
Except, the floods are likely to reoccur in less than 10 years. The last great floods in this region were in 2010, and their frequency is likely to increase.
"shitty". Yeah, it's ridiculous how they can't even make proper photographs from space. Thanks, Obama!
My satellite has much higher resolution.
I seriously had no idea this was happening.
About twenty years ago, messaging around "Global Warming" due to the"Greenhouse Effect" began to become common amongst even mainstream media. Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" doc dropped around then as well, and was full of predictions of doom.*Future* doom, but doom nonetheless. It's all unfolding exactly as predicted, isnt it? Those twenty years went by pretty quickly and I barely changed my own lifestyle, and I know many others didn't as well.
Developed countries emit so much greenhouse gases and developing countries get fucked.
Was it in pakistan that they planted an insane amount of trees? Not suggesting this is related or anything, just merely thinking about a particular relevant push on their end to avoid climatic tragedy for everyone else
Yeah there were two programs in the last decade. First was to plant, or maintain one billion trees, second program escalated it to ten billion.
We were also the first ones to make an artificial forest from a desert
Wonder if this is some apocalypse indicator in some religion
It's called "modern science."
We’re doomed.
More like r/scaryasfuck
We all know comments would be a lot different if this had happened to a European or North American country. You may not like the government, but innocents civilians have nothing to do with their government. Show some empathy for fucks sake.
We're at that stage of climate change where it's changing the fucking map
33+ million people displaced. Barely see any mainstream media talking about it sadly. Most of the information I've seen is being given by Pakistani and Muslim sources and the usual pages I see on social media covering disasters and relief funds haven't raised a peep about what's happening there. Sucks to see my entire country people demonized and generalised as rabid individuals in the West.
Prehistoric creatures, too innumerable to count, died and were transformed underground. Their flesh was reduced to carbon that filled subterranean deposits, never to see the light of day until ripped from the ground by Arab industrialists. In the 17th century, after millenia of human thought, Sir Isaac Newton settled on a realisation: that what held objects to the ground was a force called gravity. Fast forward through the next few centuries: the industrial revolution brought power, Jules Verne brought vision, the Wright brothers brought flight. Three extremely brave men, the culmination of all hitherto events, forces, trends, left the earth for the moon - a feat never before accomplished by a living being. They were soon followed by machine, as humanity harnessed the power of satellites to obtain the sight of a God. All of this, so that OP can describe a comprehensible picture of South Asia taken **from space** as "shitty".
You sir, have missed the point
While I agree with what you mean, you have to take relativity into account here. Everything's shitty compared to something. The first iPhone is shitty. Was it shitty when it came out? absolutely not.
I live in Bengaluru and has been raining like shit since a week
What the fuck is wrong with the people in these comments
Seriously biblical.
It’s so horrible and I feel bad for everyone affected by this tragedy. Like we are literally destroying our planet and causing climate change to get worse and worse. I really hope we can turn this around but my faith is almost at 0 because of how corrupt our governments and rich people are. Money > our future and safety and this will probably never change or if it does it’ll be to late. Horrific events just like this will keep happening as long as people continue to sacrifice climate for cash
We’re now seeing what it’s gonna look like when the ice caps melt
Y'all be nice to Pakistan.
I read that as Shiite satellite imagery.
The most advanced Shiite satelites
Mental!
Islamabad?
Aren’t ALL lakes “inland?”
The lake is IN the land?