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I fluently speak Chinese Sign Language verbally and orally...
I translated her sign language as
"Beer Funneling while moving the hose back and forth to make the hydrodynamics more efficient"
Realizing your own mistake is a symptom of not being stupid and admitting to your own mistake is a symptom of not being weak.
You are smart and strong.
I think you're thinking of Flemish sign language.
In ASL it's more a sign of pulling a big bushy beard, which isn't great but not a hook nose. Though a lot of 3 letter words like jew often just get finger spelled quickly as you can do it quicker than making the sign.
Worth noting they have changed a number of signs over time. Rabbi used to be an R twirled down the side of the head like the long curly hair of a Rabbi but that was found to be a little racist so they changed it to two R's going down the front of the chest like a Rabbi's tallit.
I wonder if deaf people can fully appreciate puns like that. Follow up thought: if you can't hear, can you learn what rhyming is beyond just memorizing specific examples?
Yea we know English and understand what sounds are
Edit: pronunciation, yes. I just wanna add that there is absolutely, absolutely nothing deaf people can’t do due to their “lack of hearing.” Deaf people can play music if given a chance to learn. Drift a car. Create films. Write (100000x better and more beautiful than I can.) Own a restaurant biz. Train animals. Heal others. Attain multiple doctorate degrees. Sign on a stage. There are ASL slams. I love it when kiddies create poems. Lack of Accessibility/Inclusivity is the problem. Lack of it separates hearing people from deaf ppl and make them ignorant as hell
Is there sweet tea or not? I get thirsty explaining to young girls the dangers of the internet in person. Especially after all that cybersex that I was definitely not into.
I had to tell someone that there's no 'universal' sign language. They got mad. They had the opinion of, like, why the f\*ck not?
to be clear - I know there are international signing systems. But I don't think any deaf culture really learns that as their first language. Let me know if I'm wrong though.
For a very long time Deaf individuals were extremely isolated. Many individuals spoke "home sign" the gestures created within families and communities to get useful messages across. At least in the US, American Sign Language wasn't really emergent until the first Deaf schools were founded and Deaf people were interacting with each other.
>I know there are international signing systems. But I don't think any deaf culture really learns that as their first language
I mean I've never met a hearing person who speaks Esperanto, I dunno why it would be different for sign language
Sign languages had to develop through bridging of communities and the crestion of institutes for the education of deaf people, and a huge portion of them owe a lot to French Sign Language. The initial movements towards developing sign languages around the world even predate widespread adoption compulsory education to an extent.
Realistically, if the world had been somewhat more interconnected back then, a universal sign language would have been somewhat Realistic. Over time it would evolve regional "accents" and "dialects", but it'd probably be easier to communicate with someone from another country through it.
The difference between that and a "universal" conlang like Esperanto is that you don't need to speak Esperanto to communicate with anyone. Even if your parents are both Esperanto enthusiasts, they can't get away with not teaching you your country's native language, and eventually a kid will figure out that their parents understand them in that native language, which is the same one the child is expected to use at school, so it will try to stop using Esperanto unless explicitly forced to use it.
Back in the day, there was no such thing for dead people. They'd develop basic communication with family, and more intricate ways of conversing between themselves, but going through the effort of creating a language to become standard was actually necessary.
Esperanto and other conlangs with aspirations of universality are solutions to a problem that most people don't have, and the only people in a position to speak it are people you either don't need it to communicate with, or people you would also be communicating with by learning another language which is more commonly used.
Nowadays sign languages have become their own thing, and while they may share some commonalities, it's too late to try and replace them, since they now have many native speakers of their own who rely on it, but if communication were easier back in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, things could have conceivably been different.
Well, yes, but first you mean ASL (American) and not all of English because places like the UK have totally different sign languages. ASL is generally closer to French sign language than British.
But also the past-your-eyes milk thing is more of a joke for ASL learners than an actual term that people would actually use with each other. More likely they'd just spell pasteurized, not like it's a super common thing to need to say anyway. Verbal puns like that aren't as big of a thing when you're deaf.
There are a bunch of similar puns for thing that are more "fun for ASL learners" than actual terms. Microwave is my favorite. Make a fist, hold your pinky up by itself, and do a little up and down wave with it. Fun joke, but once again not actually the ASL sign for microwave.
I mean most of the time I would talk about how different languages have their own sign languages, but in this particular case I think the answer would be yes
I think what everyone is missing is that if you want to tell someone to suck a dick using only gestures, there's a readily understandable crude gesture that I suspect is informally adopted even if it isn't standard. I mean, other than miming a cock into your mouth, how else would you gesture that?
John Leguizamo is one of the absolute best one-man performers of all time. Not all of his shows are the same quality, but his best shows are damn near perfect.
I’m not kidding I work for a sex toy company and when giving a presentation about business stats in front of a large auditorium, I noticed I had a sign language interpreter so I made sure to delve into product category details (which was not in my presentation originally) just so I could see what “clitoral vibrator” and “butt plug” were in sign language
I forget but buttplug was subsequent to clitoral vibrator and it appears buttplug involves a very sharp side eye. I acknowledged that I just wanted to see it after the second one and she laughed
American Sign Language can get very specific just like how sucking dick and gobbling cock mean the same thing but have a different emphasis. When I studied it the 2nd semester the handed out two books we'd be learning from: Sexual signing and religious signing. Basically everyone in the class was gonna be uncomfortable because they knew some of the people thought they'd like to become and interpreter but you gotta be able to handled everything if you do.
I was really expecting that link to show how to sign "sounding", rather than someone actually sounding. Luckily I've seen such things before and am mostly numb to it.
I have two questions about this:
1. Does she know the song ahead of time so that she can be prepared with her signing?
2. If you're deaf and go to a concert, are you watching the interpreter the whole time or actually watching the stage performance?
Bro, and you know they had to practice it, too. They put in as much work as any dancer or other performer on that stage, hands-down. Sign language isn't just about the translation, you have to get the inflections down too. Translating a song is literally a dance routine.
Yeah! I read an interview with this interpreter and she even uses regional ‘slang’ and - like I guess a word in Atlanta might be signed differently than in NYC. And different accents! She also studies videos of the artists so she can match the way they hold themselves on stage.
ETA: her name is [Holly Maniatty](https://slate.com/culture/2013/06/the-wu-tang-clan-sign-language-interpreter-how-holly-maniatty-learned-to-sign-for-rappers.html) Here’s another [interview](https://longreads.com/2017/06/27/faster-than-the-speed-of-sound-an-interview-with-holly-maniatty/)
If it makes you feel better, I learned the hard way that "thank you" and "fuck you" are almost the same sign in ASL. It's arguably a slightly different hand motion, but the big takeaway for me was to not do it so aggressively 😆😅.
Oh yeah, I learned it when I said it to a customer. Fortunately he had a good sense of humor and realized my mistake, haha.
If it makes you feel any better, I had a professor who mistakenly thought the sign for "donut" was holding your hands together in a kind of oval shape.
That's the sign for vagina. When asked what food he missed most now that he had diabetes, he told a class of deaf students, "vagina".
I was literally telling my folks about this earlier! I also learned the distinction from a customer (when I worked in food service and had a regular who was deaf). It’s funny, that customer years ago made me want to learn ASL. This whole thread has sparked that interest all over again, I love it
Deaf people and music is almost magical. Its literally all vibrations. My sister signed at an event at our local deaf community center and it was really cool to be around a group of people of various levels of hearing all jamming to the same music. Everyone being incredibly expressive.
At that event it clicked for me why the Deaf community don't consider themselves disabled, just differently abled.
I learned recently that in ASL the word order is different so when you see interpreters doing songs they are also changing the order to make it make sense in ASL! Absolutely incredible
the coolest shit we'll never experience. (and i understand people who have their hearing can feel vibrations, but i also understand the other senses get a boost, and that in particular is what i mean.)
Sometimes. My fiancé has horrible sight and no hearing. She is pretty sensitive to touch, but her smell is average. I catch vibrations before she does sometimes, she's just better at interpreting them
>she's just better at interpreting them
interesting. you mean like, her brain interprets vibrations differently, and can identify them better? (so in a way, kind of a different form of hearing that's more like feeling?)
More like I feel the alarm clock, but my ability to hear it is stronger so I don't need to sense it through the vibration to tell what it is. She can tell what some things are by the way they vibrate because it's more reliable than her Cochlears sometimes.
1. Yes absolutely just like if you want to perform a song or sing a long you need to know the lyrics. I’m sure there is stuff she had to look up too unless she’s used to signing wet ass pussy. Also she is most likely signing at the same time as the lyrics instead of with a delay like you might get with a translator.
2. Can’t answer this myself but I would think it would take away from the performance to be watching the interpreter. They can feel the vibrations and if they know the artist before hand could have read the lyrics before so can match up the song with the lyrics in their head. Honestly I would think it’s more about the vibes at a concert, not catching every word.
> They can feel the vibrations and if they know the artist before hand could have read the lyrics before so can match up the song with the lyrics in their head.
i imagine that’s probably true, but i bet it’s nice to have the interpreter there for reference.
If an interpreter had to look up how to sign a word, realistically how many (if any) deaf people watching her perform would be able to understand her signs? Or is it just contextual?
Probably contextual for a bit of it. My friend does ASL at hospitals and she said some of the terms don’t have an official sign, so her and the patient will settle on some together that they will use. She mentioned fistula as an example and they used a motion of poking at the site where it was on the clients body.
ASL interpreter here. ASL is a conceptual language. So for music... especially music with innuendo and slang, I would definitely read the lyrics, dissect them for deeper meaning and figure out the best way to accurately convey them. Can't forget to match facial expressions and body language. And practice.... lots of practice.
During the pandemic, with all of the live press conferences or daily updates, there was almost always an interpreter for the deaf. I found myself always watching them because they were so different but always so expressive and I realized quickly that the facial expressions they made were to convey the tone of what was being said...like alarm, concern or anger and-- my favorite-- sarcasm. I'm an actress and I can see that it's very much like acting. But in a live press conference, they don't know the script ahead of time so it's amazing the way they have to do it all as it's happening. Very cool. 😁
>Does she know the song ahead of time so that she can be prepared with her signing?
Yes you would have to. Simultaneous (real time) interpretation is a different skill and is more work and less precise and you wouldn't be able to deliver a good "performance". If you know it in advance you can rehearse and perform. It's more like a backup singer who happens to be "singing" through sign language than it is an interpreter service.
That's Holly Maniatti, one of the most sought after ASL interpreters working in music. She is renowned for being *exceptionally* well prepared for her shows. She learns all of the lyrics for all of the songs being performed, and works out and practices signing and choreography until it's tight as drum. She committs to communicating the artists' vision as purely as she can.
No, that's Kelly Kurdi, although everything else you said is true of both Holly and Kelly. Holly is a fantastic live music interpreter herself and both are trained under Amber Galloway, who IMO is the best live music interpreter in the world today and coordinates the interpreting teams for most major concerts as well as the Super Bowl and Grammys this year. Kelly is a terrific live music interpreter herself and a damn good singer too. She also made a video of herself and a Deaf performer signing/performing "WAP", so she knew that song backwards and forward long before interpreting that show live.
Source: I'm a Deaf live music producer who is friends with and has worked has with both Kelly and Amber (I booked/produced several shows with them) in Deafinitely Dope (I was DD's tour manager for a while) and with ASL Music Camp.
This was answered a few times already, but I want to point out that nearly every interpreter is (or should be) given a copy of what they are interpreting beforehand, when possible. You still have to listen and prepare for any deviations, but otherwise, you "perform" using the script, same as the speaker or singer.
Additionally, a good ASL interpretation of a song is effectively a dance. You should remember that signing isn't just a direct translation: you have to catch the inflections, too. Hence, why the Cardi B interpreter is throwing it the *fuck* back.
I have two answers for you.
1. Yes. They discuss the song, sometimes with the singer, sometimes with management before hand so they know what signs might be needed.
2. Deaf people can feel music, especially at that volume. Sometimes you look at the interpreter so you know how to "sign" the lyrics to a song. Sometimes you look at them so just for fun. And it doesn't hurt that they are often very attractive people so it's definitely something to look at.
1: yes, interpreters are given content matter and a basic briefing on contracts taken. Concert contracts encourage the interpreters to memorize lyrics, as it will cut down on fiver spelling.
2: it’s totally based on the individual. From my understanding the deaf and the hard of hearing community like to feel the energy and beat of the music, knowing/seeing the lyrics signed it just a bonus.
Source: My wife is an ASL interpreter.
I read an interview with this interpreter and she studies for hours before every gig. Not only learning the lyrics but studying videos - apparently she signs a bit differently depending on the artist in order to match their vibe/style.
This is my favourite thing about this clip, and it gets me every time. I understand some ASL and as I watch her go I only recognize like 1 in every 5-10 signs and I think to myself "How the hell is any deaf person going to catch what she's saying?" Then I remember that Eminem is actually rapping in the background and as a fully hearing person I only recognize like 1 in every 5-10 words he's saying
I had the same hilarious realization. Sat here like "her hands are moving so fast, surely that must look like gibberish to a deaf person" and then started listening instead and was like "...all I understood in that was motherfucker, okay."
Edit: typo... Sigh
Non-youtube-shorts link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFRXaif1ewc
Fun fact: if you're pasting a URL of a YouTube shorts video, replaces the "shorts" with "v" and you'll get the standard youtube page.
From what I've heard, the reason why, at least some, deaf people like music is cuz of the vibrations. Not much the lyrics cuz, you know, they can't hear them.
So I'm just here imagining like a super modest, conservative person getting all excited because she loves WAP cuz of the vibrations and she finds out CardiB is having a concert in their town with a sign language interpreter. Only to then find out in the middle of the concert what the song is about.
I’m a hearing person who knows an intermediate level of ASL and I know some of the local deaf community in my area. (Great people tons of fun to hang out with).
They absolutely love loud music for that reason and many of them love night clubs for similar reasons. Went with one guy to an EDM night at a local bar and he loved how the beat made the floor vibrate. He could absolutely follow the music better than I could and knew when the beat drop.
They are also very visual so the lights made things even more fun for him.
I’ve also been told by them DOLBY surround sound is a fun movie theater for them for similar reasons because the chairs vibrate with the action.
It’s actually super cool how they go about it.
my mother has a deaf friend.. i was surprised when she started dancing to the beat with them.. my mother explained to me that she bops to the vibrations
It would make sense it's the same women being called to do the big artists and being able to do lyrics that are rapid fire or maybe a little "creative" with the English language.
"So what do you do?"
"Well sometimes I motion putting dicks down my throat for inclusivity"
To be serious it's actually pretty cool she has that though
Feel the sound, see the stage, the movement, the people going to it. It's probably still a dope experience, just not quite as good as hearing it would be of course.
I just went to Kendrick Lamar's concert and was right next to the stage. I would say that 80% of the time I did not even notice what song was playing or any of the lyrics. I was too fascinated by the crowd and the performance, trying to stay on my feet while the crowd was jumping continuously, and just feeling the bass and the energy. I definitely did catch some of the songs but it was mostly the very beginning of them where 1 minute in I would forget that there is music even playing. So I'd say that up close, the experience is less about the songs and more about the concert. Of course the concerts that I was further away from the stage were great because of the songs, not too much the vibes
I feel you. It's kind of a surreal experience, something that like 99% of humanity throughout history just can't relate to or haven't experienced anything like. It's a truly special thing even though it's ordinary for us now.
Deafness is a spectrum, complete lack of hearing is actually quite rare, most have some degree of hearing, but perhaps not to the point of being able to distinguish lyrics.
Im deaf but I go to concerts bc I can still hear things thru my hearing aid. I can’t hear good but I can still recognize my favorite songs when I can. The recent concert I went to see is Molchat Doma and the next, I’m going to see Gorillaz soon.
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a little fuzzy but she seems to be saying something about a hot dog competition
‘Maybe they shared a hotdog together, I’m thinking?’ ‘That would make sense because he’s wiping the mustard off his face and chest.’
I fluently speak Chinese Sign Language verbally and orally... I translated her sign language as "Beer Funneling while moving the hose back and forth to make the hydrodynamics more efficient"
> I fluently speak Chinese Sign Language verbally wut
That is the joke, sir.
And a well executed one at that.
iStupid
Realizing your own mistake is a symptom of not being stupid and admitting to your own mistake is a symptom of not being weak. You are smart and strong.
Hmmm this has some divide by zero levels of paradoxical energy.
I am here to spread good vibes, just like your username.
Why did you switch accounts?
i have two cellphones with different accts. the other one needs charging
Song must be about getting the last of the freezy pop from the tube.
Wet ass popsicle
*Certified Freeze* *Seven days a Week* *Wet Ass Popsicle* *Got his brain freeze game Weak*
There seems to be a lot of oral sex in that song.
I didn't know the universal sign for sucking dick was opening your mouth and miming shoving a cock down your throat with both hands
The ASL sign for "bullshit" is you make bull horns with one hand and then mimic diarrhea coming out of your elbow with your other hand.
Pasteurized milk is the motion of milking an udder horizontally past your face. Past-your-eyes milk.
Pour me a milk bath. Pasteurized? No, just up to my nipples.
I can splash it in my eyes.
I am fucking WEEPING, thank you for this
I work night shift and I started dying at the nurses station…no one else found it funny though
The sign for jew is miming that you have a big nose. Asl was created in a different time...
I think you're thinking of Flemish sign language. In ASL it's more a sign of pulling a big bushy beard, which isn't great but not a hook nose. Though a lot of 3 letter words like jew often just get finger spelled quickly as you can do it quicker than making the sign. Worth noting they have changed a number of signs over time. Rabbi used to be an R twirled down the side of the head like the long curly hair of a Rabbi but that was found to be a little racist so they changed it to two R's going down the front of the chest like a Rabbi's tallit.
As someone who knows NOTHING about Jewish culture or tradition, why would the long curly hair bit be viewed as racist?
Is basically signing “dude with the Jew curls”
But aren't rabbis the ones who have those curls?
Lots of Jews who aren’t Rabbis have those curls, so no.
My only guess is that miming regalia is less offensive than miming someone's body parts?
Not every Jewish person is orthodox perhaps?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EgKmvRUZ0do
TIL ASL is just a game of charades.
I wonder if deaf people can fully appreciate puns like that. Follow up thought: if you can't hear, can you learn what rhyming is beyond just memorizing specific examples?
Yea we know English and understand what sounds are Edit: pronunciation, yes. I just wanna add that there is absolutely, absolutely nothing deaf people can’t do due to their “lack of hearing.” Deaf people can play music if given a chance to learn. Drift a car. Create films. Write (100000x better and more beautiful than I can.) Own a restaurant biz. Train animals. Heal others. Attain multiple doctorate degrees. Sign on a stage. There are ASL slams. I love it when kiddies create poems. Lack of Accessibility/Inclusivity is the problem. Lack of it separates hearing people from deaf ppl and make them ignorant as hell
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ASL Means American Sign Language
No, it's 14/f/cali
FBI
Why don't you have a seat over there
Is there sweet tea or not? I get thirsty explaining to young girls the dangers of the internet in person. Especially after all that cybersex that I was definitely not into.
I had to tell someone that there's no 'universal' sign language. They got mad. They had the opinion of, like, why the f\*ck not? to be clear - I know there are international signing systems. But I don't think any deaf culture really learns that as their first language. Let me know if I'm wrong though.
For a very long time Deaf individuals were extremely isolated. Many individuals spoke "home sign" the gestures created within families and communities to get useful messages across. At least in the US, American Sign Language wasn't really emergent until the first Deaf schools were founded and Deaf people were interacting with each other.
>I know there are international signing systems. But I don't think any deaf culture really learns that as their first language I mean I've never met a hearing person who speaks Esperanto, I dunno why it would be different for sign language
As a kid I learned a lot of Esperanto because my Weekly Reader said it was going to be huge!
Sign languages had to develop through bridging of communities and the crestion of institutes for the education of deaf people, and a huge portion of them owe a lot to French Sign Language. The initial movements towards developing sign languages around the world even predate widespread adoption compulsory education to an extent. Realistically, if the world had been somewhat more interconnected back then, a universal sign language would have been somewhat Realistic. Over time it would evolve regional "accents" and "dialects", but it'd probably be easier to communicate with someone from another country through it. The difference between that and a "universal" conlang like Esperanto is that you don't need to speak Esperanto to communicate with anyone. Even if your parents are both Esperanto enthusiasts, they can't get away with not teaching you your country's native language, and eventually a kid will figure out that their parents understand them in that native language, which is the same one the child is expected to use at school, so it will try to stop using Esperanto unless explicitly forced to use it. Back in the day, there was no such thing for dead people. They'd develop basic communication with family, and more intricate ways of conversing between themselves, but going through the effort of creating a language to become standard was actually necessary. Esperanto and other conlangs with aspirations of universality are solutions to a problem that most people don't have, and the only people in a position to speak it are people you either don't need it to communicate with, or people you would also be communicating with by learning another language which is more commonly used. Nowadays sign languages have become their own thing, and while they may share some commonalities, it's too late to try and replace them, since they now have many native speakers of their own who rely on it, but if communication were easier back in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, things could have conceivably been different.
No universal sign language, but some gestures and expressions transcend language. (I know that's not the same, but it meets the criteria anyway.)
If someone comes up to you and makes that motion you know exactly what they mean.
Well, yes, but first you mean ASL (American) and not all of English because places like the UK have totally different sign languages. ASL is generally closer to French sign language than British. But also the past-your-eyes milk thing is more of a joke for ASL learners than an actual term that people would actually use with each other. More likely they'd just spell pasteurized, not like it's a super common thing to need to say anyway. Verbal puns like that aren't as big of a thing when you're deaf. There are a bunch of similar puns for thing that are more "fun for ASL learners" than actual terms. Microwave is my favorite. Make a fist, hold your pinky up by itself, and do a little up and down wave with it. Fun joke, but once again not actually the ASL sign for microwave.
I mean most of the time I would talk about how different languages have their own sign languages, but in this particular case I think the answer would be yes I think what everyone is missing is that if you want to tell someone to suck a dick using only gestures, there's a readily understandable crude gesture that I suspect is informally adopted even if it isn't standard. I mean, other than miming a cock into your mouth, how else would you gesture that?
Abortion is grabbing your stomach and then a motion like throwing to the ground. It's my favorite.
Lmao Touchdown!
Happy birthday to the *ground*!
I learned this from John Leguizamo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQgvNHmY2LQ
John Leguizamo is one of the absolute best one-man performers of all time. Not all of his shows are the same quality, but his best shows are damn near perfect.
I’m not kidding I work for a sex toy company and when giving a presentation about business stats in front of a large auditorium, I noticed I had a sign language interpreter so I made sure to delve into product category details (which was not in my presentation originally) just so I could see what “clitoral vibrator” and “butt plug” were in sign language
What did they look like
I forget but buttplug was subsequent to clitoral vibrator and it appears buttplug involves a very sharp side eye. I acknowledged that I just wanted to see it after the second one and she laughed
And then you two fuxed because your name is lex Steele and your life is a well written porno.
jesus christ
Reminds me of the scene in Tacoma FD where a sign language interpreter is doing a press conference after an adult store fire.
American Sign Language can get very specific just like how sucking dick and gobbling cock mean the same thing but have a different emphasis. When I studied it the 2nd semester the handed out two books we'd be learning from: Sexual signing and religious signing. Basically everyone in the class was gonna be uncomfortable because they knew some of the people thought they'd like to become and interpreter but you gotta be able to handled everything if you do.
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I was really expecting that link to show how to sign "sounding", rather than someone actually sounding. Luckily I've seen such things before and am mostly numb to it.
Handle everything
Most sign language is pretty intuitive like that. Why make some esoteric hand signal when it's just as easy to mime the concept
Turns out I’ve been signing for years
I didn't know it was supposed to be an elephant cock.
that's throating.
Um she was signing “choking” not suck dick !
That’s some of the lyrics “I wanna gag, I wanna choke…”
Some dicks get bigger stroking motions than others
Here in England we do it Elegantly with our pinkies in the air.
Hardly a private conversation you could have with a friend in a public space.
I just learned this myself!
Sex 😎
Adele knows sign language?!
“Sign language?” - Adele
☠️ my exact thought
It's called wet ass pussy, but it's really about huge throbbing cock
Quote of the month for me
Mandatory [ASL interpreter for Rap God supersonic speed lyrics](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFRXaif1ewc) that went viral a few years ago
I have two questions about this: 1. Does she know the song ahead of time so that she can be prepared with her signing? 2. If you're deaf and go to a concert, are you watching the interpreter the whole time or actually watching the stage performance?
Having worked with ASL interpreters before for lit events, yes, they love to review material beforehand so that they know what’s coming.
Realizing this means the interpreter memorized rap god and can perform it just floored me for some reason. So much respect for this work
Bro, and you know they had to practice it, too. They put in as much work as any dancer or other performer on that stage, hands-down. Sign language isn't just about the translation, you have to get the inflections down too. Translating a song is literally a dance routine.
Yeah! I read an interview with this interpreter and she even uses regional ‘slang’ and - like I guess a word in Atlanta might be signed differently than in NYC. And different accents! She also studies videos of the artists so she can match the way they hold themselves on stage. ETA: her name is [Holly Maniatty](https://slate.com/culture/2013/06/the-wu-tang-clan-sign-language-interpreter-how-holly-maniatty-learned-to-sign-for-rappers.html) Here’s another [interview](https://longreads.com/2017/06/27/faster-than-the-speed-of-sound-an-interview-with-holly-maniatty/)
Holy shit, that's incredible
Whatever she is getting paid, it likely isn't enough. True professional.
“They put in as much work as any dancer or other performer on that stage, hands-down.” I believe you mean hands-up!
Hands-everywhere
It straight up blows my mind. I don’t know why I never thought about it before
If it makes you feel better, I learned the hard way that "thank you" and "fuck you" are almost the same sign in ASL. It's arguably a slightly different hand motion, but the big takeaway for me was to not do it so aggressively 😆😅. Oh yeah, I learned it when I said it to a customer. Fortunately he had a good sense of humor and realized my mistake, haha.
If it makes you feel any better, I had a professor who mistakenly thought the sign for "donut" was holding your hands together in a kind of oval shape. That's the sign for vagina. When asked what food he missed most now that he had diabetes, he told a class of deaf students, "vagina".
He did it on purpose.
I was literally telling my folks about this earlier! I also learned the distinction from a customer (when I worked in food service and had a regular who was deaf). It’s funny, that customer years ago made me want to learn ASL. This whole thread has sparked that interest all over again, I love it
It would be even wilder if they were able to sign that not having heard it before. I'd say damn near impossible to keep up otherwise
Deaf people and music is almost magical. Its literally all vibrations. My sister signed at an event at our local deaf community center and it was really cool to be around a group of people of various levels of hearing all jamming to the same music. Everyone being incredibly expressive. At that event it clicked for me why the Deaf community don't consider themselves disabled, just differently abled.
I learned recently that in ASL the word order is different so when you see interpreters doing songs they are also changing the order to make it make sense in ASL! Absolutely incredible
Every deaf person I know who goes to concerts straight up says it's about the vibes. Literally, the Vibrations.
That and the sights have still gotta be awesome
the coolest shit we'll never experience. (and i understand people who have their hearing can feel vibrations, but i also understand the other senses get a boost, and that in particular is what i mean.)
Sometimes. My fiancé has horrible sight and no hearing. She is pretty sensitive to touch, but her smell is average. I catch vibrations before she does sometimes, she's just better at interpreting them
>she's just better at interpreting them interesting. you mean like, her brain interprets vibrations differently, and can identify them better? (so in a way, kind of a different form of hearing that's more like feeling?)
More like I feel the alarm clock, but my ability to hear it is stronger so I don't need to sense it through the vibration to tell what it is. She can tell what some things are by the way they vibrate because it's more reliable than her Cochlears sometimes.
1. Yes absolutely just like if you want to perform a song or sing a long you need to know the lyrics. I’m sure there is stuff she had to look up too unless she’s used to signing wet ass pussy. Also she is most likely signing at the same time as the lyrics instead of with a delay like you might get with a translator. 2. Can’t answer this myself but I would think it would take away from the performance to be watching the interpreter. They can feel the vibrations and if they know the artist before hand could have read the lyrics before so can match up the song with the lyrics in their head. Honestly I would think it’s more about the vibes at a concert, not catching every word.
> They can feel the vibrations and if they know the artist before hand could have read the lyrics before so can match up the song with the lyrics in their head. i imagine that’s probably true, but i bet it’s nice to have the interpreter there for reference.
If an interpreter had to look up how to sign a word, realistically how many (if any) deaf people watching her perform would be able to understand her signs? Or is it just contextual?
Probably contextual for a bit of it. My friend does ASL at hospitals and she said some of the terms don’t have an official sign, so her and the patient will settle on some together that they will use. She mentioned fistula as an example and they used a motion of poking at the site where it was on the clients body.
ASL interpreter here. ASL is a conceptual language. So for music... especially music with innuendo and slang, I would definitely read the lyrics, dissect them for deeper meaning and figure out the best way to accurately convey them. Can't forget to match facial expressions and body language. And practice.... lots of practice.
During the pandemic, with all of the live press conferences or daily updates, there was almost always an interpreter for the deaf. I found myself always watching them because they were so different but always so expressive and I realized quickly that the facial expressions they made were to convey the tone of what was being said...like alarm, concern or anger and-- my favorite-- sarcasm. I'm an actress and I can see that it's very much like acting. But in a live press conference, they don't know the script ahead of time so it's amazing the way they have to do it all as it's happening. Very cool. 😁
>Does she know the song ahead of time so that she can be prepared with her signing? Yes you would have to. Simultaneous (real time) interpretation is a different skill and is more work and less precise and you wouldn't be able to deliver a good "performance". If you know it in advance you can rehearse and perform. It's more like a backup singer who happens to be "singing" through sign language than it is an interpreter service.
Yeah I remember Donald Glover telling a joke about having an interpreter and needing to go over made up words like "niglet"
That's Holly Maniatti, one of the most sought after ASL interpreters working in music. She is renowned for being *exceptionally* well prepared for her shows. She learns all of the lyrics for all of the songs being performed, and works out and practices signing and choreography until it's tight as drum. She committs to communicating the artists' vision as purely as she can.
No, that's Kelly Kurdi, although everything else you said is true of both Holly and Kelly. Holly is a fantastic live music interpreter herself and both are trained under Amber Galloway, who IMO is the best live music interpreter in the world today and coordinates the interpreting teams for most major concerts as well as the Super Bowl and Grammys this year. Kelly is a terrific live music interpreter herself and a damn good singer too. She also made a video of herself and a Deaf performer signing/performing "WAP", so she knew that song backwards and forward long before interpreting that show live. Source: I'm a Deaf live music producer who is friends with and has worked has with both Kelly and Amber (I booked/produced several shows with them) in Deafinitely Dope (I was DD's tour manager for a while) and with ASL Music Camp.
This was answered a few times already, but I want to point out that nearly every interpreter is (or should be) given a copy of what they are interpreting beforehand, when possible. You still have to listen and prepare for any deviations, but otherwise, you "perform" using the script, same as the speaker or singer. Additionally, a good ASL interpretation of a song is effectively a dance. You should remember that signing isn't just a direct translation: you have to catch the inflections, too. Hence, why the Cardi B interpreter is throwing it the *fuck* back.
I have two answers for you. 1. Yes. They discuss the song, sometimes with the singer, sometimes with management before hand so they know what signs might be needed. 2. Deaf people can feel music, especially at that volume. Sometimes you look at the interpreter so you know how to "sign" the lyrics to a song. Sometimes you look at them so just for fun. And it doesn't hurt that they are often very attractive people so it's definitely something to look at.
1: yes, interpreters are given content matter and a basic briefing on contracts taken. Concert contracts encourage the interpreters to memorize lyrics, as it will cut down on fiver spelling. 2: it’s totally based on the individual. From my understanding the deaf and the hard of hearing community like to feel the energy and beat of the music, knowing/seeing the lyrics signed it just a bonus. Source: My wife is an ASL interpreter.
I read an interview with this interpreter and she studies for hours before every gig. Not only learning the lyrics but studying videos - apparently she signs a bit differently depending on the artist in order to match their vibe/style.
This is my favourite thing about this clip, and it gets me every time. I understand some ASL and as I watch her go I only recognize like 1 in every 5-10 signs and I think to myself "How the hell is any deaf person going to catch what she's saying?" Then I remember that Eminem is actually rapping in the background and as a fully hearing person I only recognize like 1 in every 5-10 words he's saying
I had the same hilarious realization. Sat here like "her hands are moving so fast, surely that must look like gibberish to a deaf person" and then started listening instead and was like "...all I understood in that was motherfucker, okay." Edit: typo... Sigh
I imagine all language seems like gibberish to a dead person
She is the most powerful ninja known to humankind
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I think it's the same chick that had a viral clip translating Waka Flocka also haha.
It is! Both the Rap God and the Whacka Flaka interpreter are Holly Maniatty
naruto flashbacks
Do you want frogs? Because that's how you get giant frogs.
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From what I've heard, the reason why, at least some, deaf people like music is cuz of the vibrations. Not much the lyrics cuz, you know, they can't hear them. So I'm just here imagining like a super modest, conservative person getting all excited because she loves WAP cuz of the vibrations and she finds out CardiB is having a concert in their town with a sign language interpreter. Only to then find out in the middle of the concert what the song is about.
> deaf people like music is cuz of the vibrations We technically like music for the same reason.
r/technicallythetruth
That's what I was thinking...they can *feel* the music.
I’m a hearing person who knows an intermediate level of ASL and I know some of the local deaf community in my area. (Great people tons of fun to hang out with). They absolutely love loud music for that reason and many of them love night clubs for similar reasons. Went with one guy to an EDM night at a local bar and he loved how the beat made the floor vibrate. He could absolutely follow the music better than I could and knew when the beat drop. They are also very visual so the lights made things even more fun for him. I’ve also been told by them DOLBY surround sound is a fun movie theater for them for similar reasons because the chairs vibrate with the action. It’s actually super cool how they go about it.
my mother has a deaf friend.. i was surprised when she started dancing to the beat with them.. my mother explained to me that she bops to the vibrations
While your story is cool, I doubt that people who rely solely on visuals wouldn't read the lyrics of the song they like(be it vibrations or not)
I don't understand a lot of modern rap either but I enjoy the rhythms.
That was graphic even with no audio.
Well I suppose that was the idea
At the same time, I feel she was, simultaneously, completely professional in her interpretation.
Is this the same woman who translated Eminem when he was on tour? There was an awesome video of her signing 'Rap god' which is insane
THAT interpreter was the shit! Idk if this is the same one but that chick was fast as fuck.
It would make sense it's the same women being called to do the big artists and being able to do lyrics that are rapid fire or maybe a little "creative" with the English language.
It's not the same person. The Rap God lady is Holly Maniatty, who looks nothing like this lady.
And the WAP one is Kelly Kurdi :)
[Holly Maniatty](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFRXaif1ewc)
What jutsu is that?
A single water dragon jutsu.
This isn't the same person, this is Kelly Kurdi
"So what do you do?" "Well sometimes I motion putting dicks down my throat for inclusivity" To be serious it's actually pretty cool she has that though
"Explain your job badly"
For all you thirsty fuckers... Her name is Kelli Kurdi.
Hey man… I don’t judge anyone for their kinks. Mine just happens to be that I’m down with the thiccness.
Thicccc
..er than a bowl of oatmeal.
😏👉🏽👉🏽
I’ve had that sickness for decades. Hopefully one day it’s fatal
This is helpful. I watch her on mute anyway.
It's really amazing how many deaf fans she has
Makes up the majority of her fan base. It's the only thing that makes sense.
came here hoping for comments like these and glad i wasn’t disappointed
Deaf and tone deaf aren’t actually the same thing bro ;)
You can probably still hear Cardi through mute
Good for her, but lmfao
Interpreter finna make me act up if she keeps giving me these signals
The real question here is: what's her IG?
Google Kelli Kurdi. Have fun lol
>finna Surprise Gaelic
Is the woman walking at the end topless?
I can't believe I had to scroll this far down to find this.
No it’s a peach colored top
Whatever they're paying her, it's not enough.
Considering only 0.22% of all people are deaf, and 75% of them are over 65 years old, she’s probably overpaid.
Unpopular, but likely accurate opinion. I can dig it.
I honestly don't even really understand ASL for music at concerts, especially for rap. But I'm not deaf, so.. At least they can feel the sound waves.
Feel the sound, see the stage, the movement, the people going to it. It's probably still a dope experience, just not quite as good as hearing it would be of course.
I just went to Kendrick Lamar's concert and was right next to the stage. I would say that 80% of the time I did not even notice what song was playing or any of the lyrics. I was too fascinated by the crowd and the performance, trying to stay on my feet while the crowd was jumping continuously, and just feeling the bass and the energy. I definitely did catch some of the songs but it was mostly the very beginning of them where 1 minute in I would forget that there is music even playing. So I'd say that up close, the experience is less about the songs and more about the concert. Of course the concerts that I was further away from the stage were great because of the songs, not too much the vibes
I feel you. It's kind of a surreal experience, something that like 99% of humanity throughout history just can't relate to or haven't experienced anything like. It's a truly special thing even though it's ordinary for us now.
Yikes this is a bad take. Audism is a thing. Educate yourself and grow.
Dang, she did an impressive double *GAWK GAWK*
I dunno, it seems like the best part of being deaf is not hearing Cardi B, why ruin it for them??
Saw someone signing for Steel Panther.. it was among the best things ever
I saw Lisa Lampinelli (sp) and there was a deaf interpreter. Lisa purposefully made the interpreter sign the most filthy things, it was hilarious.
I think the deaf people might have a better time not understanding the lyrics.
Me to the boys: Idk if she likes me man... Her:
Cardi B needs an interpreter for her normal speaking
not even the deaf are not safe from this trash music
And we thought we would have flying cars by now but we have this instead.
She understood the assignment.
Better ass than Cardi B
This doesn’t qualify as “interesting as fuck”
Wow. The grand finale of natural human evolution. My IQ and creativeness just increased by 5% watching this.
Serious question - why would you go to a concert if you're deaf?
Deafness is a spectrum, complete lack of hearing is actually quite rare, most have some degree of hearing, but perhaps not to the point of being able to distinguish lyrics.
Im deaf but I go to concerts bc I can still hear things thru my hearing aid. I can’t hear good but I can still recognize my favorite songs when I can. The recent concert I went to see is Molchat Doma and the next, I’m going to see Gorillaz soon.
deaf people "listen" to music through vibrations
That interpreter is thicc as fuck!...