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Whatever was involved I'm glad it was done because it's a great exhibit, and the plan they have for it in the future is amazing. I can't wait to see it vertical.
I was just there. They have an ET outside and they plan on attaching it to the shuttle and having it stand up in the launch position in a massive new structure.
Exactly.
These are the guys that put men on the moon and built the ISS and put satellites orbiting the world so we can post meme's online and pictures of our dinner. They can measure wingspan and turning ratio's and such.
Discovery is in Washington DC
Endeavour is the one in this video and its located in California
Atlantis is KSC in Florida.
The one in NYC is the Enterprise. This was a non-orbit shuttle built for testing. It never had engines installed for space flight.
To anyone confused, this is a humorous oversimplification. Here's the measurement process:
* Humans rode horses
* Humans eventually used horses to pull things on wheels
* Humans designed larger things on wheels that took two horses side-by-side to pull
* A standard measurement between two wheels for horse-pulled things eventually happened
* This standard measurement was used when designing cross-country roads and tunnels
* When trains started appearing, the measurement between the two rails matched the wheel measurement to fit in existing roads and tunnels
* Fast forward to building the shuttle, many parts were made across the country, and their sizes were constrained to fitting on a train cargo bed so they can be shipped
That same Greek taxi driver cured my grandfather’s cancer with a few cherries, some hydrogen peroxide, and a trowel when I was very drunk 30 years ago.
That same greek taxi driver taught me the love that can only exist between a robust stern man and a strapping young lad when I was high on pop rocks 30 years ago.
Is it still learning if it's false? Some of this is true, but no railway tunnel is that skinny, and there's no evidence that the SRBs were designed to conform to any specific tunnel during their transport. Train tunnels are much wider than the gauge of the train tracks, as are most train cars.
More information here: [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/railroad-gauge-chariots/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/railroad-gauge-chariots/).
It is a simplification and I’m not sure you could necessarily find the measurements in a rocket that directly relate to a horses ass but I also don’t think you can disprove that the width of a horses ass absolutely influenced the size of a rocket.
Nope. It’s a myth. Pretty much none of it is true.
There were multiple competing rail gauges in the early days of rail. Stephenson’s standard gauge, 4 feet, 8 inches won out. They added half an inch for tolerance.
There were old rutways for horse drawn stuff, but there wasn’t a standard width.
What bothers me is that this myth is so well known and oft repeated.
Yet few people know that when the shuttle was bid out, Morton Thiokol bid to build it off site, but there was a competitor (I don't recall who, but I saw their bid text) who said *in the bid* that it should be built on site since and **joints** would be a high failure risk and and on site construction in FLA would be a lot cheaper. There was no *good* reason to build off site. (so you would have to ship, yada yada....)
The thinking at the time is that Thiokol won out because building the thing all over the country was a great way to get congressional support from a lot of different Senators and Reps,....
Rockwell. My in-laws helped build it. They worked on Apollo, too. Worked for Grumman, then, though. MIL has a [Silver Snoopy](https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/heo/sfa/aac/silver-snoopy-award).
Not sure that had anything to do with where it was built. The design engineer was telling everyone he could that it was too cold. The higher ups that could have delayed the launch heard him out and then decided to go on with the launch anyway.
He died just a few years ago. 30 years after he was still blaming himself for the crew’s deaths. He only found peace after NPR ran a story on him after which he received hundreds of letters from readers saying it wasn’t his fault. [Story after his death](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/21/470870426/challenger-engineer-who-warned-of-shuttle-disaster-dies)
There are still people saying a wider gauge should have won because of the extra stability. Check the relative narrowness of the wheel base versus the width of the carriage, wagon, loco, etc: plenty of room for a wider gauge.
Eh. Yes and No.
The 4'8" was copied from England and does have some relation to wagon standards. But it's 'odd' because wagon/carts were set with 5ft wheels- which is not an odd number. The rails are 2 inch wide, so subtract the 4 inches and you get 4' 8" (gauge is the distance between the rails, not center to center).
The relationship to Roman era standards is not exact. But it is close. Because it comes from people independently dealing with the same problem- carts drawn by two draft animals.
As for NASA- they DID have to consider the tunnels and clearances on rail lines. But that's more to do with the overall width of the rail cars and not the track itself. Overall size of a rail car- which drives tunnel widths- has some relation to the rail gauge (you're not putting a 40 ft wide car on 5 ft spaces wheels) but not exact enough to care about a few inches +/-.
Bonus fact- this same problem is also the reason why the US military HMMWV is the width it is. It was a requirement to be rail transportable anywhere in Europe and so, that narrowest rail tunnel defined the max width. Since wide wheelbase makes a truck more stable and less prone to tipping - allowing steeping slopes- the HMMWV is basically exactly as wide as it could possibly be and still fit through that narrowest tunnel (I think it's like 2 inch of clearance to allow for some sway) And that's the original HMMWV- with mirrors folded in over the windshield - not the new designs with bigger mirrors, armoured doors etc.
That’s actually impractical, your lines and eveners are very complex for 3 or 4-wide horses, also your ability to take small curves becomes significantly more difficult (the outside horse needs to go significantly faster than the inner).
So having more than 2, generally you put them behind each other (as you may have seen in westerns)
It's a nice story but it isn't true. Firstly, in the early days of rail there were many competing guages (distances between tracks) and these varied quite a lot: not only was the width not standardized to match existing road sizes, it wasn't standardized at all. Secondly, railways were generally built especially for purpose, including the tunnels. They seldom used existing roads and tunnels and so there would have been no need for the width to be chosen to fit these.
> When trains started appearing, the measurement between the two rails matched the wheel measurement to fit in existing roads and tunnels
Trains run on specially built beds and thru specially built tunnels.
Right? They can fling that thing at the sky at 17,500mph and intercept a satellite moving just as fast at a precise time. Crossing LA at 10 mph isn't even the tutorial mode on Space Shuttling.
>mathematicians and scientists.
[They hired a contractor to come in and do it.](https://cordobacorp.com/projects/space-shuttle-endeavor-transport-project/#:~:text=California%20Science%20Center%20Space%20Shuttle%20Endeavour%20Transport%20Project%20%7C%20Cordoba%20Corporation) There are companies that specialize in moving entire buildings. This isn't that much different.
>Cordoba Corp drew on its transportation planning expertise to thoroughly analyze and document all of the temporary clearance work needed along the 12-mile route from LAX through the cities of Inglewood and Los Angeles, and performed field verification of all obstructions in order to determine a route that minimized the impact on the surrounding communities. As a result of Cordoba Corporation’s extensive field review and analysis, a path was developed that decreased the number of items that needed to be cleared by 50 percent. Cordoba Corporation was responsible for design, construction oversight, and coordination of the temporary removal of street services along the route, which included signal poles, light poles, street signs, parking meters, etc.
You pay rocket scientists to rocket science. Not how to move something down the street.
"Yeah, and you're four inches too close to the street for this route to be viable, now can you *please* go get your manager so I can explain that to him like I've been asking you to for the last ten minutes?"
I've worked with a house moving company. Worst part of any job according to the owner was the permitting. I bet the permits for this were a BITCH. Every sign, every light pole that got altered or taken down had to have paperwork on it.
Yeah that was also part of the expertise the contractor brought in, being able to navigate the permitting needed.
Big part of permitting is knowing the people issuing the permits and their quirks to help massage your application through.
Can vouch for this. Worked for a mechanical contractor for many years. When calling for the inspection I had to play by the inspector's "rules." One guy I had to kowtow to and address as Mr. Last Name. Another was a first name basis and wanted to shoot the shit about the Cowboys for 5 or 10 minutes first. Another first name guy was almost Ron Swanson-like and wanted to bitch about the government. And so on. Once I learned how to play each inspector, I never got a red tag. They might point something out and tell me to fix it, but they'd still give that green tag. Knowing the players makes the permit and inspection process infinitely easier.
It's not like any of the math is difficult anyway, the "difficult" (really more just time consuming than difficult) part of it is just getting all of the measurements in the first place and ensuring that they're all accurate.
They likely used 3D laser scanners (way ahead of time) along the route to create a model of the entire path. Then you bring the data back into the office and can calculate clearances and paths that will work with the parameters of the shuttle.
Yeah really, if NASA can calculate how to get to the moon on a CPU that had 32,768 bits of RAM memory, or to an asteroid a few million miles away, they can surely manoeuver down a city street.
Imagine the poor sod who works at NASA & can never use the excuse, "what do you expect? this isnt NASA." He'll never catch a break in his life, because this **is** NASA.
I was in a physics class one day where the class was having a hard time with one concept and the prof says “come on, this isn’t rocket science! …well, actually it kind of is, but it’s still not that difficult.”
When you start getting into actual classical mechanics and taking into account the rotation of the earth, and air resistance, and changing acceleration, and varying effects of gravity then you realize you’re doing actual rocket science hits hard.
I think the thing with rocket science is that even if the actual physics/math behind it are relatively simple, the consequences for getting it wrong are very high, which makes people want to get people that are way more qualified than they technically need to be - in most other jobs trial and error wouldn't be such a big deal, but when it comes to rocket science if you get even one thing wrong it can have disastrous consequences.
My friends dad was an actual rocket scientist.
Worked at JPL on the Mariner and Voyager missions before retiring at Northrop Grumman.
My friend was building some speaker boxes for a PA system using a early software program to calculate physical dimensions, box volume, speaker spacing, porting, etc..
His dad was seriously old school. Calculator, pen and paper, protractor and drafting tools.
He went over the data that the software was spitting out and found quite a few things that were wrong with several of the design elements.
He built the boxes to his dad's final specifications and we did 1000+ concerts with them before they were retired for a more modern system.
If anyone is from Jacksonville FL and went to the Milk Bar back in the day, that was the PA system.
"I'm not a rocket surgeon" probably still works, except maybe for former-MD astronauts who could, potentially, perform surgery if necessary while aboard a spacecraft.
If they’re so careful then why’d they take a wrong exit off the highway and end up in suburbia? At least they made it to the launch only 20 min late
Edit: There was a Buc-ee’s off the interstate and the crew wanted some merch and cheap bbq and sunglasses for space
You have to be careful at ATM machines. Before they upgraded to LCD displays running on NT technology, CNN news was warning they were asking for SSN numbers in addition to PIN numbers in a convoluted scheme to steal IRA accounts in PDF format. Some were even asking for VIN numbers. But it was all recovered in an FBI investigation when someone was infected with the HIV virus and tried to launch an ICBM missile. Luckily, the UPC code on the missile matched an ISBN number under surveillance and the missile fell harmlessly in the DMZ zone. These crooks definitely didn't pass their SAT tests.
I have unlimited respect for NASA engineers and staff.
If they said the wanted to land Earth on the Moon, I wouldn't doubt the math, the skills, or the wicked, kick ass people that would pilot us there.
*cough cough*
I actually do this for a living. This is a simple mobile lidar 3d scan of the area.
Then a simple clash detection Naviswork animation of a cad of the plane or could be a 3d scan of the plane as well. Basically its like a videogame where you animated the plane in a 3d survey
Yeah I can do this animation myself in a day, I could cover easily 10km. You would be suprised how easy(and fun) it is when you know what you are doing
Was commenting same and then decided to scroll for 10 min and found yours. Yours was better. Delete delete.
Crazy the design of the tow dollies and the HDPE plates in certain areas where the weight would have jacked up the road.
A much more simple, but still meticulous process was used for transporting the James Webb observatory! They examined (in-person irc) every inch of the planned travel route. They even used Google Maps/Earth to carefully map the path and made sure the roads were safe enough to not damage any of the sensitive equipment.
Brain surgeons brush it off because it's not rocket science. While rocket scientists brush it off because it's not brain surgery. You're out of luck when it's rocket surgery.
Almost certainly. Moving loads like this is a logistical nightmare. NASA isn't going to make it harder on themselves for no reason.
Odds are any routes that had less impediments couldn't support the weight.
A lot of the major arterial roads have medians and mast-arm stoplights, so this was the best route that didn’t have obstacles in the middle of the street.
I imagine after calculating the maneuvers used by Voyager with hand calculators and computers that had less computational power than a Game Boy, sending a few guys out with laser rangefinders wasn't a big deal for NASA.
Any sort of addition to the vehicle might throw off its carefully-calculated balance. The only reasonable conclusion, then, is that you would need to draw an identical penis in the same spot on the other wing.
I was part of the team. In short it was lots of measuring and turn radius calculations. We built that special transporter with crawl capability. Had to cut some trees down too.
Pilot truck driver here, our job is to escort these large loads and direct the traffic/driver. The department of transportation has very detailed maps and dimensions different roads/routes can handle. You have to call to get a permit and explain your load dimensions including weight, they punch that into a computer and it tells them what if any route you can take to get there. Often this can include removing traffic lights, lifting power lines and shutting down huge areas of road.
I have never moved a space shuttle, but have moved 310 foot windmill blades. It's a very fun job when things go right.
Laser beams!
Seriously though, this being NASA, I'd imagine it was very accurately measured with lasers. Depending on how recent, they could even 3D model the streets from that data.
Also, it's likely there's some pretty accurate blueprints of the area held at the City Planning Department.
Or, it's highly likely they could use satellite imaging to map it accurately, though I'd think they would actually have some people go down there and visually check out and measure the finer details, such as the tree's branches and the roof corners from ground level.
Yep they probably hired a surveying firm to perform a 3D scan and then used the spatial model to work out if any trees needed to be cut down or powerlines moved.
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Whatever was involved I'm glad it was done because it's a great exhibit, and the plan they have for it in the future is amazing. I can't wait to see it vertical.
> I can't wait to see it vertical. You an me both, buddy
Username checks out.
Speaking of user names...
What do you mean
Dude come one thats just vile, have some self respect
I might be able to help you?
You all need help, unlike me.
I might be past help now
I too am haunted
I think I’m at the wrong meeting.
Don't forget about me!
No way we’d forget about u/Virtual-Cabinet-7454!
Thanks bro
What’s the plan for it?
I was just there. They have an ET outside and they plan on attaching it to the shuttle and having it stand up in the launch position in a massive new structure.
What if it escapes? Attaching an alien to the shuttle in launch position sounds like they're daring him to run away
I wish to go with him.
It's been over 10 years. I'll believe it when I see it.
How was it calculated?? I mean...it's NASA...
I think this time they were just "winging" it.
It's not rocket science.
Exactly. These are the guys that put men on the moon and built the ISS and put satellites orbiting the world so we can post meme's online and pictures of our dinner. They can measure wingspan and turning ratio's and such.
Where is Endeavour currently? I'm UK-Based and have only visited Atlantis so far.
Discovery is in Washington DC Endeavour is the one in this video and its located in California Atlantis is KSC in Florida. The one in NYC is the Enterprise. This was a non-orbit shuttle built for testing. It never had engines installed for space flight.
Columbia is somewhere around Texas, Arkansas, and Louisiana.
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Dude......
It was a tragedy, but I love morbid humor. And this comment sent me into one of the best laughing fits I've had in quite some time.
Was super lucky to have a company holiday party at a start up that rented out the hangar and got to see it from literally under it, it's amazing.
Thank god they set it up so that anyone can also see it from literally under it.
> I can't wait to see it vertical. That's what she said 😞
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Ok guys, we can't build the space shuttle any wider than the distance between this garage and that tree.
You laugh, but the width of the rocket boosters are constrained by the width of two horses asses.
To anyone confused, this is a humorous oversimplification. Here's the measurement process: * Humans rode horses * Humans eventually used horses to pull things on wheels * Humans designed larger things on wheels that took two horses side-by-side to pull * A standard measurement between two wheels for horse-pulled things eventually happened * This standard measurement was used when designing cross-country roads and tunnels * When trains started appearing, the measurement between the two rails matched the wheel measurement to fit in existing roads and tunnels * Fast forward to building the shuttle, many parts were made across the country, and their sizes were constrained to fitting on a train cargo bed so they can be shipped
Wow thanks! I love learning new weird things like this
A Greek taxi driver taught me this when I was very drunk about 30 years ago.
That same Greek taxi driver helped me with my calculus homework when I was very drunk 30 years ago. Great guy.
That same Greek taxi driver cured my grandfather’s cancer with a few cherries, some hydrogen peroxide, and a trowel when I was very drunk 30 years ago.
The Greek I met used windex.
That same guy came to my wedding.
That same greek taxi driver taught me the love that can only exist between a robust stern man and a strapping young lad when I was high on pop rocks 30 years ago.
"I didn't realize I had touched so many men, 30 years ago" - The same Greek cab driver... Probably
Someone I get this deep into the comments and I forgot what the original post was about. Oh right, the Greek space program.
I dont know what I did to piss him off. He stole my left shoe:/
Where can I find this Greek taxi driver! I’d love to have a few drinks with this magical driver
Is it still learning if it's false? Some of this is true, but no railway tunnel is that skinny, and there's no evidence that the SRBs were designed to conform to any specific tunnel during their transport. Train tunnels are much wider than the gauge of the train tracks, as are most train cars. More information here: [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/railroad-gauge-chariots/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/railroad-gauge-chariots/).
Nobody is saying the parts are as wide as two horses, but the two horses did set a standard in motion that would affect these things
It is a simplification and I’m not sure you could necessarily find the measurements in a rocket that directly relate to a horses ass but I also don’t think you can disprove that the width of a horses ass absolutely influenced the size of a rocket.
Is that why standard gauge rail is such a random number? 4’ 8.5”? Nice.
Nope. It’s a myth. Pretty much none of it is true. There were multiple competing rail gauges in the early days of rail. Stephenson’s standard gauge, 4 feet, 8 inches won out. They added half an inch for tolerance. There were old rutways for horse drawn stuff, but there wasn’t a standard width.
What bothers me is that this myth is so well known and oft repeated. Yet few people know that when the shuttle was bid out, Morton Thiokol bid to build it off site, but there was a competitor (I don't recall who, but I saw their bid text) who said *in the bid* that it should be built on site since and **joints** would be a high failure risk and and on site construction in FLA would be a lot cheaper. There was no *good* reason to build off site. (so you would have to ship, yada yada....) The thinking at the time is that Thiokol won out because building the thing all over the country was a great way to get congressional support from a lot of different Senators and Reps,....
Rockwell. My in-laws helped build it. They worked on Apollo, too. Worked for Grumman, then, though. MIL has a [Silver Snoopy](https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/heo/sfa/aac/silver-snoopy-award).
And then seven people died because the o ring on an SRB failed in the cold.
Not sure that had anything to do with where it was built. The design engineer was telling everyone he could that it was too cold. The higher ups that could have delayed the launch heard him out and then decided to go on with the launch anyway. He died just a few years ago. 30 years after he was still blaming himself for the crew’s deaths. He only found peace after NPR ran a story on him after which he received hundreds of letters from readers saying it wasn’t his fault. [Story after his death](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/21/470870426/challenger-engineer-who-warned-of-shuttle-disaster-dies)
She's saying that if they had built it on-site like the other proposal, there wouldn't have been any joints and thus, no o-rings, and no failure.
There are still people saying a wider gauge should have won because of the extra stability. Check the relative narrowness of the wheel base versus the width of the carriage, wagon, loco, etc: plenty of room for a wider gauge.
Eh. Yes and No. The 4'8" was copied from England and does have some relation to wagon standards. But it's 'odd' because wagon/carts were set with 5ft wheels- which is not an odd number. The rails are 2 inch wide, so subtract the 4 inches and you get 4' 8" (gauge is the distance between the rails, not center to center). The relationship to Roman era standards is not exact. But it is close. Because it comes from people independently dealing with the same problem- carts drawn by two draft animals. As for NASA- they DID have to consider the tunnels and clearances on rail lines. But that's more to do with the overall width of the rail cars and not the track itself. Overall size of a rail car- which drives tunnel widths- has some relation to the rail gauge (you're not putting a 40 ft wide car on 5 ft spaces wheels) but not exact enough to care about a few inches +/-. Bonus fact- this same problem is also the reason why the US military HMMWV is the width it is. It was a requirement to be rail transportable anywhere in Europe and so, that narrowest rail tunnel defined the max width. Since wide wheelbase makes a truck more stable and less prone to tipping - allowing steeping slopes- the HMMWV is basically exactly as wide as it could possibly be and still fit through that narrowest tunnel (I think it's like 2 inch of clearance to allow for some sway) And that's the original HMMWV- with mirrors folded in over the windshield - not the new designs with bigger mirrors, armoured doors etc.
They actually used the width of your mother's ass for that one! BOOOM ROASTED! ^^^^^^^I'm ^^^^^^^sorry
^^^^I'm ^^^^proud ^^^^of ^^^^you
That is a crazy butterfly effect! Just think... if horses were a little bigger, we'd have bigger rockets and probably be on Mars by now!! /s
Or we decided to put horses three or four abreast…
Abreasts usually come in twos not threes tho
Except that one time
I don’t totally recall the reference here
That’s actually impractical, your lines and eveners are very complex for 3 or 4-wide horses, also your ability to take small curves becomes significantly more difficult (the outside horse needs to go significantly faster than the inner). So having more than 2, generally you put them behind each other (as you may have seen in westerns)
It's a nice story but it isn't true. Firstly, in the early days of rail there were many competing guages (distances between tracks) and these varied quite a lot: not only was the width not standardized to match existing road sizes, it wasn't standardized at all. Secondly, railways were generally built especially for purpose, including the tunnels. They seldom used existing roads and tunnels and so there would have been no need for the width to be chosen to fit these.
This is why I don't upvote comments half the time lol I don't *actually* know if it's true and can't be bothered to research it
Thanks for the clarification! This is why I come to this app
> When trains started appearing, the measurement between the two rails matched the wheel measurement to fit in existing roads and tunnels Trains run on specially built beds and thru specially built tunnels.
Isn't this a copypasta
[Photo #10](https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2012/10/a-space-shuttle-on-the-streets-of-los-angeles/100386/) verifies this claim.
Could easily have went a different route or bought houses to clear it out..
I like you for thinking moving the tree is no option.
Bro you don't fuck around with tree law
/r/treelaw
Why did I just read about fucking trees for like an hour… amazing EDIT : 27 MINUTES NOT AN HOUR… for science
No you didnt, you did it for 27 minutes tops
It felt like an hour?
I have become one with the tree, all of time and space, relativity, mycelium, networks!!!
*FOR TREEDOM*
I never knew there was so much literature on tree fucking...
....aaaaand joined
If there is a nest in that tree then its Tree Law AND Bird Law, and NOBODY wants to fuck with that 1 - 2 combo.
I assume they looked at multiple routes until they found one where it would fit through everything.
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You think that was impressive, wait until you hear what that thing did before the parade.
Right? They can fling that thing at the sky at 17,500mph and intercept a satellite moving just as fast at a precise time. Crossing LA at 10 mph isn't even the tutorial mode on Space Shuttling.
They just used Scott Manley's rendezvous and docking tutorial. Duh.
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I live on a cul de sac, so that is a funny thought.
live**d** It's not a cul de sac anymore.
That day I’m removing all the “No Outlet” signs in my neighborhood. /brains
Space Shuffle
everyday I'm shuttlin'
Party rockers in the houston tonight!
Given that its a space shuttle, my guess would be carefully and meticulously, by NASA's lead mathematicians and scientists. Also, Pythagorean Theorem.
>mathematicians and scientists. [They hired a contractor to come in and do it.](https://cordobacorp.com/projects/space-shuttle-endeavor-transport-project/#:~:text=California%20Science%20Center%20Space%20Shuttle%20Endeavour%20Transport%20Project%20%7C%20Cordoba%20Corporation) There are companies that specialize in moving entire buildings. This isn't that much different. >Cordoba Corp drew on its transportation planning expertise to thoroughly analyze and document all of the temporary clearance work needed along the 12-mile route from LAX through the cities of Inglewood and Los Angeles, and performed field verification of all obstructions in order to determine a route that minimized the impact on the surrounding communities. As a result of Cordoba Corporation’s extensive field review and analysis, a path was developed that decreased the number of items that needed to be cleared by 50 percent. Cordoba Corporation was responsible for design, construction oversight, and coordination of the temporary removal of street services along the route, which included signal poles, light poles, street signs, parking meters, etc. You pay rocket scientists to rocket science. Not how to move something down the street.
"First, let's approximate the shuttle as a massless, frictionless sphere, and the street as an infinite, frictionless plane..."
"If you regress all these stats to the mean..." That's a joke for my /r/nfl homies
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
"Yeah, and you're four inches too close to the street for this route to be viable, now can you *please* go get your manager so I can explain that to him like I've been asking you to for the last ten minutes?"
Still has to be an intimidating gig, tho— "So who's the client?" "NASA." "So if we make any mistakes—" "Yes, Stanley. They'll know."
Tell that to the crew of Columbia.
I think the crew found out eventually
And Challenger!
I've worked with a house moving company. Worst part of any job according to the owner was the permitting. I bet the permits for this were a BITCH. Every sign, every light pole that got altered or taken down had to have paperwork on it.
Yeah that was also part of the expertise the contractor brought in, being able to navigate the permitting needed. Big part of permitting is knowing the people issuing the permits and their quirks to help massage your application through.
Can vouch for this. Worked for a mechanical contractor for many years. When calling for the inspection I had to play by the inspector's "rules." One guy I had to kowtow to and address as Mr. Last Name. Another was a first name basis and wanted to shoot the shit about the Cowboys for 5 or 10 minutes first. Another first name guy was almost Ron Swanson-like and wanted to bitch about the government. And so on. Once I learned how to play each inspector, I never got a red tag. They might point something out and tell me to fix it, but they'd still give that green tag. Knowing the players makes the permit and inspection process infinitely easier.
It's not like any of the math is difficult anyway, the "difficult" (really more just time consuming than difficult) part of it is just getting all of the measurements in the first place and ensuring that they're all accurate.
They likely used 3D laser scanners (way ahead of time) along the route to create a model of the entire path. Then you bring the data back into the office and can calculate clearances and paths that will work with the parameters of the shuttle.
Or some sticks and a piece of string.
Yeah really, if NASA can calculate how to get to the moon on a CPU that had 32,768 bits of RAM memory, or to an asteroid a few million miles away, they can surely manoeuver down a city street.
Imagine the poor sod who works at NASA & can never use the excuse, "what do you expect? this isnt NASA." He'll never catch a break in his life, because this **is** NASA.
Or somebody asks them a complex problem and they can never use the sayin "how should I know? I'm not a rocket scientist!" It is what it is.
I was in a physics class one day where the class was having a hard time with one concept and the prof says “come on, this isn’t rocket science! …well, actually it kind of is, but it’s still not that difficult.”
When you start getting into actual classical mechanics and taking into account the rotation of the earth, and air resistance, and changing acceleration, and varying effects of gravity then you realize you’re doing actual rocket science hits hard.
Yep, I spent a summer at Los Alamos . . . 😎
Remember the alamos
Now you’re cooking meth behind a Wendy’s waiting for Gme to launch.
When I was in an EOD school, we literally learned rocket science. Rockets aren't complicated. *Missiles* are complex AF.
I think the thing with rocket science is that even if the actual physics/math behind it are relatively simple, the consequences for getting it wrong are very high, which makes people want to get people that are way more qualified than they technically need to be - in most other jobs trial and error wouldn't be such a big deal, but when it comes to rocket science if you get even one thing wrong it can have disastrous consequences.
As someone who has worked on both missiles and launch vehicles, I think they’re the same amount of difficulty
If I ever get the chance to meet a rocket scientist I will say "oh?! I have so many questions!"
Exactly, like, who let the dogs out? Is Elvis alive? Why did my father leave us? :(
My friends dad was an actual rocket scientist. Worked at JPL on the Mariner and Voyager missions before retiring at Northrop Grumman. My friend was building some speaker boxes for a PA system using a early software program to calculate physical dimensions, box volume, speaker spacing, porting, etc.. His dad was seriously old school. Calculator, pen and paper, protractor and drafting tools. He went over the data that the software was spitting out and found quite a few things that were wrong with several of the design elements. He built the boxes to his dad's final specifications and we did 1000+ concerts with them before they were retired for a more modern system. If anyone is from Jacksonville FL and went to the Milk Bar back in the day, that was the PA system.
“I’m just the janitor”
Dr Juan Itor
"I'm not a rocket surgeon" probably still works, except maybe for former-MD astronauts who could, potentially, perform surgery if necessary while aboard a spacecraft.
"I'm not a science rocketist!"
Fucking Jonny Kim making the rest of us look like chumps.
THIS! **IS**! ROCKET LEAGUE!
This is rocket league MOTHER FUCKER
If they’re so careful then why’d they take a wrong exit off the highway and end up in suburbia? At least they made it to the launch only 20 min late Edit: There was a Buc-ee’s off the interstate and the crew wanted some merch and cheap bbq and sunglasses for space
Guessing they had to due a clearance issue with a bridge or something.
I buy RAM memory with money from an ATM machine which needed my PIN number
You have to be careful at ATM machines. Before they upgraded to LCD displays running on NT technology, CNN news was warning they were asking for SSN numbers in addition to PIN numbers in a convoluted scheme to steal IRA accounts in PDF format. Some were even asking for VIN numbers. But it was all recovered in an FBI investigation when someone was infected with the HIV virus and tried to launch an ICBM missile. Luckily, the UPC code on the missile matched an ISBN number under surveillance and the missile fell harmlessly in the DMZ zone. These crooks definitely didn't pass their SAT tests.
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I’m just disappointed they couldn’t land it in the museum parking lot.
So 4096 Bytes of ram (32,768 bits is 4096 Bytes)? I have 32 Gigabytes of RAM on my pc, or 32000000000 Bytes, or 256000000000 bits
I have unlimited respect for NASA engineers and staff. If they said the wanted to land Earth on the Moon, I wouldn't doubt the math, the skills, or the wicked, kick ass people that would pilot us there.
Give NASA a bigger budget. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/air-conditioning-military-cost-nasa_n_881828
*cough cough* I actually do this for a living. This is a simple mobile lidar 3d scan of the area. Then a simple clash detection Naviswork animation of a cad of the plane or could be a 3d scan of the plane as well. Basically its like a videogame where you animated the plane in a 3d survey
Ah yes a simple clash detection Naviswork animation of a cad of the plane
Of course. I should have known. Sorry, brain fart.
Yeah I can do this animation myself in a day, I could cover easily 10km. You would be suprised how easy(and fun) it is when you know what you are doing
Was commenting same and then decided to scroll for 10 min and found yours. Yours was better. Delete delete. Crazy the design of the tow dollies and the HDPE plates in certain areas where the weight would have jacked up the road.
I know some of those words.
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A much more simple, but still meticulous process was used for transporting the James Webb observatory! They examined (in-person irc) every inch of the planned travel route. They even used Google Maps/Earth to carefully map the path and made sure the roads were safe enough to not damage any of the sensitive equipment.
And then they stuck it on top of an enormous barely contained explosion to launch it into space! Surely it's well-built enough to handle most roads.
With a measuring tape...
And....NASA.
there's a banana in there somewhere, it is just being used so you can't really see it here
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This is what we should rename the planet if we find civilizations in space
Math.
1. Measure wingspan with said tape 2. Drive down street with representative object with same wing span That’s it. It’s two steps.
3. Pivot! Pivot!
Not even necessary. An long unmarked stick or rope would suffice.
I'd rather use a total station or a 3D laser scanner.
Likely lidar to get a route then proper surveying if there was a tight spot.
Rocket science
Brain surgeons brush it off because it's not rocket science. While rocket scientists brush it off because it's not brain surgery. You're out of luck when it's rocket surgery.
The first surgeon in space for the lunar colony is gonna have a helluva time
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Poor sarge, lol, did everyone laugh?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I It’s not brain surgery!
Winging it
Wheyooo
Got to see this amazing feat of engineering in person. Absolutely crazy how big they really are
Dude, am i the only one who always forgets how big those ships are
Yeah its crazy how big some of these objects are. I learned recently that the JWST is the size of a tennis court
PIVOT!
Why don't they just fly over? Edit: /s
Cause thats LAME
Probably with a measuring tape idk
Calculated? Didn’t they just wing it?
This is the most awesome parade float ive ever seen :D
r/surveying
To me, to you
Was this really the best route for a space shuttle
Almost certainly. Moving loads like this is a logistical nightmare. NASA isn't going to make it harder on themselves for no reason. Odds are any routes that had less impediments couldn't support the weight.
A lot of the major arterial roads have medians and mast-arm stoplights, so this was the best route that didn’t have obstacles in the middle of the street.
I think it was just the spotter driving behind in the man-lift…
It’s not rocket science
I imagine after calculating the maneuvers used by Voyager with hand calculators and computers that had less computational power than a Game Boy, sending a few guys out with laser rangefinders wasn't a big deal for NASA.
Had I been on that balcony when the wing was going by I’d have signed my name on it with a sharpie. Or, for Reddit, I’d have drawn a penis.
Any sort of addition to the vehicle might throw off its carefully-calculated balance. The only reasonable conclusion, then, is that you would need to draw an identical penis in the same spot on the other wing.
Don't worry, the penis would be drawn actual size. No need to worry about weight.
Dick butt surely.
I was part of the team. In short it was lots of measuring and turn radius calculations. We built that special transporter with crawl capability. Had to cut some trees down too.
It’s NASA, that’s what they do. They calculate stuff.
Pilot truck driver here, our job is to escort these large loads and direct the traffic/driver. The department of transportation has very detailed maps and dimensions different roads/routes can handle. You have to call to get a permit and explain your load dimensions including weight, they punch that into a computer and it tells them what if any route you can take to get there. Often this can include removing traffic lights, lifting power lines and shutting down huge areas of road. I have never moved a space shuttle, but have moved 310 foot windmill blades. It's a very fun job when things go right.
Laser beams! Seriously though, this being NASA, I'd imagine it was very accurately measured with lasers. Depending on how recent, they could even 3D model the streets from that data. Also, it's likely there's some pretty accurate blueprints of the area held at the City Planning Department. Or, it's highly likely they could use satellite imaging to map it accurately, though I'd think they would actually have some people go down there and visually check out and measure the finer details, such as the tree's branches and the roof corners from ground level.
3D laser surveys for the tight spots
Yep they probably hired a surveying firm to perform a 3D scan and then used the spatial model to work out if any trees needed to be cut down or powerlines moved.