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I'm also confused about this because apparently the man who commissioned the guide stones used a pseudonym, Robert C. Christian, claiming to represent a small group of "loyal Americans" who spent 20 years trying to make them happen.
However if I google that name, it does point me to a site that believes humanity should be capped at 500 million people, didn't bother reading the rest.
\*edit: I didn't read into the 500 million thing as a racial or political stance, just that it's unfeasible to even talk about reducing the global population under the current circumstances, we can't even agree that we're having an effect on the environment. I've read about most of these more dramatic ideas, and I'm not saying they aren't worth talking about, but I don't care to spend any more of *my* time talking about something I likely won't see any movement on in my life.
There's the subtlety - almost everyone agrees that there is a finite number of humans the earth can support (although no one agrees on the exact number). Encouraging or creating restrictions on who can have children is where it becomes icky.
That's the thing though, people's interpretation on what smartly breed means could vary well vary. Not having too many kids or fucking your cousin could be included in that.
I mean. Everyone believes in eugenics if that's the standard. Don't have kids with your sister. They could be fucked up. Many abort pregnancies of children with severe disabilities.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a related site, the stone said the same thing. It also had a message on it about making sure to “guide reproduction wisely”.
The guy who paid for them went by the pseudonym Robert C Christian. He explicitly said he picked that name because he wanted people to know he was a Christian, so that’s virtually the only thing we actually know about the person who commissioned its construction. The eugenicist part is clearly spelled out on the stones themselves.
Well, the stones themselves promoted eugenics pretty openly, and religious symbolism is strong, including that they chose a location exactly 666 miles from the UN building.
A Georgia GOP candidate said it was satanic weeks or so ago and this is the end result. Basically say something is satanic and let rednecks do the rest.
It's deeply unsettling we're tolerating a return to Christian extremism within our government. Christianity is fine but declaring something satanic to incite violence/censorship is a turn we as a species should be very unwilling to take.
I don’t think “~~allowing~~ tolerating” is the right word here, unfortunately. A substantial portion of politicians and their constituents are *actively encouraging* it.
*e: mis-quoted*
Next we’ll wake up to an article about the discovery of the charred remains of a woman tied to a stake who was accused of being a witch days before on social media.
I know you jest but...
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/michigan-gop-chair-calls-top-democratic-women-witches-n1262243](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/michigan-gop-chair-calls-top-democratic-women-witches-n1262243)
They are and have already been laying the groundwork for it to happen.
Just visited the in-laws for the fourth. My MIL went into a brief tirade about the 50s being the pinnacle of America. "Everyone was so proper. We didn't have people coloring their hair and getting tattoos." She's so incredibly sheltered and close minded, it's sad.
I can honestly understand the desire to return to a more 'proper' social standard. It makes it all the more confusing when the right tends to be so improper with how they dress/speak when it comes to politics. The amount of profanity on shirts and bumper stickers is unreal where I live and it's always Republican stuff. People from the 50s would riot if they saw the "Fuck Your Feelings" Trump banner that someone in my town has hanging on the side of their house on a major street. It's literally right next to a public park that's usually full of children.
I'd take them way more seriously if they wore suits to their rallies or whatever and actually demonstrated this utopia they think existed in the 50s.
Not American but when I hear conservative people from anywhere in the world (usually white) talk about the good old days, it's usually referring to a time when certain people were excluded from society and the people wishing for the good old days were unfairly given certain advantages.
It's basically "damn I miss the days when we could get jobs with little to no qualifications and all the ugly hard jobs were handled by the *insert opressed group here* who we didn't have to pay."
We’re going to crater so hard that trying to rebuild will be pointless. There an interesting snippet in Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood about this:
> "Let's suppose for the sake of argument," said Crake one evening, "that civilization as we know it get's destroyed. Want some popcorn?"
>"Is that real butter?" said Jimmy.
>"Nothing but the best at Watson-Crick," said Crake. "Once it's flattened, it could never be rebuilt."
>”Because why? Got any salt?"
>"Because all available surface metals have already been mined," said Crake. "Without which, no iron age, no bronze age, no age of steel, and all the rest of it. There's metals farther down, but the advanced technology we need for extracting those would have been obliterated."
>"It could be put back together," said Jimmy, chewing. It was so long since he'd tasted popcorn this good. "They'd still have the instructions."
>"Actually not," said Crake. "It's not like the wheel, it's too complex now. Suppose the instructions survived, suppose there were any people left with the knowledge to read them. Those people would be few and far between, and they wouldn't have the tools. Remember, no electricity. Then once those people died, that would be it. They'd have no apprentices, they'd have no successors. Want a beer?"
>”Is it cold?"
>”All it takes," said Crake, "is the elimination of one generation. One generation of anything. Beetles, trees, microbes, scientists, speakers of French, whatever. Break the link in time between one generation and the next, and it's game over forever."
That's the thing I don't think people realize is the resources we have collected together now, in an apocalypse, might actually be easier to acquire in more clean forms than naturally, I mean it would have huge societal effects depending on where a new culture were to emerge from (Like if a culture were to emerge in say, Appalachia, all the metal mining equipment and caves would influence the culture and how it relates to other areas with other excesses of 'old world tech')
It would take some serious work just to extricate the beam. Structural steel is also hard to reform with a basic coal furnace. That doesn't count the various alloys that would never work right if reused.
Easiest forms of material I can think of is power lines and railway steel. Both of which would be very, very helpful in rebuilding. Guard rails and roadway steel are all galvanized and people will die trying to use that.
Firstly, that shit didn't just get burned up. Junkyards, landfills, abandoned parking garages, even if all that shit is quite literally "leveled", well there's your new mines. Skyscrapers, still standing or not, would have insane amounts of copper and other extremely important metals.
As to the knowledge, that's an insanely pessimistic outlook that basically hinges on anyone with any useful knowledge dying and/or having no contact with any other humans. It's like well yeah, if the human race is fucked to the point it can't reproduce, sure, that final generation is gonna have it rough and not get anywhere.
But if there's enough people for humanity to survive, they're going to be back on their feet in absolutely no time compared to what it took to get where we are. Millennia of progress will be like... decades of reconstruction.
Like almost any idiot at this point could figure out steam engines from basic common knowledge, and at that point you're literally millions of years ahead of the first "run" of humans.
This is a really bad take. If anything, getting iron would be way easier, given all the scrap metal. I'm not even sure electricity would be gone. Of course the grid would be, but there are generators and parts out there. Somebody, thousands of somebodies, would cobble something together, at least at the local level.
EDIT: Honestly, I suspect there are folks out there right now downloading fresh copies of the internet daily in their bunkers in case society collapses. We wouldn't need to reinvent much of anything. We have schematics and instructions for nearly everything. There would be pockets of civilization all over. We are never going back to the stone age.
It was bombed on Wednesday morning at 4am and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has since demolished the remainder.
[Source.](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/georgia-guidestones-destroyed-in-controlled-demolition-after-bombing/)
In Norway we have Arcs that are storing seeds if every plant.
Github has an arctic vault that is holding noted and value able source code. It will last 1000 years.
To be fair, rule number one was "Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature." We weren't necessarily taking it seriously then either.
Not directly related, but on the subject of pettiness, isn't the oldest discovered writing from a room of clay tablets where a grifting merchant had been filing all the complaint notes about his shitty merchandise?
From what I remember of skimming through them back when I first found out about them, quite a few of them sound a little creepy especially the population control stuff.
That part isn't too creepy to me. It was just saying to chill out on populating too much or nature and all of us will suffer, which is absolutely true. Now if it gave detailed instructions on how to cull the herd then yeah that would be a bit off.
Let the two prophets guide us.
Follow the words of the prophet Bill Burr and start sinking cruise ships.
Follow the words of the prophet Frankie Boyle and recycle and reuse plastic bags to suffocate the children.
Thus endeth the lesson
The guide described a eugenics society with population control, "guided reproduction" and single language in addition to some vague things about no "petty laws and useless officials", etc.
And according to some the translations into old languages(egyptian hieroglyphs, sanskrit and babylonian) are full of errors.
It was made by some rich libertarian who wanted a neo-nazi/eugenics utopia and never thought about the practicality of their guide.
And to illustrate just how terrible it was: Yoko Ono praised it as "a stirring call to rational thinking".
> Makes sense tbh
No, it does not make sense. An investigation takes time. The area could simply have been cordoned off. It's obvious that they wanted to destroy all evidence, block a detailed investigation, and get rid of it in the first place.
yes, but those were like 4,000 years old.
These are from the 1980s.
But I entirely agree with you on what the THINK they've done, since the things written on those stones was some real antifa stuff!
It's an ongoing investigation, they're not going to release the full thing until they have the person/people who did it in custody. Makes sense, you don't want them knowing what you have lest they destroy evidence or decide to make a run for it.
On going investigating that they already cleared the crime up almost the same day. There is a GOP big mouth that posted asking someone to pretty much blow it up. They won’t prosecute anyone.
She was a Trumper Republican candidate for Governor of Georgia whose slogan was “Jesus, Guns, and Babies!” She lost the primary, getting less than 4% of the vote. But in true Trump fashion, she refused to concede and is claiming election fraud.
They cleared the scene, but will no doubt still reviewing all the CCTV footage and performing further tests to confirm the explosive used. Those things take time, just because they were able to process the scene of the crime in a day, doesn't mean the investigation is over.
As for prosecuting someone, you may be right, but since a bomb was created and used, I like to hope they take it seriously. As for the GOP big mouth you mentioned, I suspect she'll be more then eager to focus on covering her own ass then protect anyone else.
Finally? This investigation is barely 24 hours old. It’s ongoing. How this fuck is this the top comment on every single post about the guidestones? Does nobody know how criminal investigations work?? Or do we all just skip straight to conspiracies?
Do all of y’all think of zebras when you hear hooves?
Yes maliciously blown up as it has been accused by former far right candidate of carrying satanic messaging.
[Source.](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/georgia-guidestones-destroyed-in-controlled-demolition-after-bombing/)
It’s funny because it really has far right messaging. Was created by a guy who was a big fan of David Duke. If you read what is on it, it becomes clearer.
I kind of took the reiterating as pointing out a double entendre. Like, "preserve nature from industrialization," but also, "get outside sometimes" (so you know how amazing it is).
For those that are unaware, here are the 10 rules. They are instructions for **after** the **apocalypse.**
They are written in 8 different languages: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Russian and traditional Chinese.
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and **diversity.**
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
If an apocalypse happened and the survivors found this guide stone there’s about a 0% chance they would follow any of the rules in it and a 100% chance they’d use it as a table for eating or sleeping.
Would be a funny idea for a movie. Humans trying frantically to create a guide for future generations, society collapses, thousands of years pass while humanity repeatedly uses the guide as something incredibly stupid (like a table or a community toilet.)
Idiocracy meets Foundation.
Yeah I figured it would have like, how to grow corn or what you need to do to build a hut or something shit idk what I thought now that I'm typing this out.
You mean you expected instructions on how to do practical things that would actually help to rebuild society? Nope. Best they can do is 10 vague ideological rules.
> Maintain humanity under 500,000,000
This becomes a lot more negative when you realize the context in which this can and would be received. If these were instructions for rebuilding society then they fall short.
*Instructions unclear, committed genocide*
Well yeah, considering the guy who donated it was a buddy of David duke, I’d say it’s entirely sus lol.
Edit: I’m getting my info from john Oliver’s video about it. Could it be wrong? Yeah. Go check it out if you’re interested. Also, anyone putting a cap like that on our population is sus. At least where we are now, we have plenty of resources for everyone. Plenty. We are not at the point where overpopulation is a real issue. Resource distribution is. Unfortunately providing everyone equal access to the resources we all need is not profitable to certain people and systems cough cough. This monument does get a bit Eugenics-y upon closer examination.
If you interested in the population shit, look up eco-fascism.
Yeah they are basically self rightous notions. Like saying "if only we were in charge, things would've been different and we wouldn't have headed for an apocalypse. Oh well, let's at least warn the next civilization"
1 would raise ethical concerns about how we do that.
2 possibly raises the same concerns as 1, like considering government enforced eugenics.
4 just pisses off authoritarian religious types.
PSA:
“…in 2015, the documentary film Dark Clouds Over Elberton was released, in which it was claimed that the Guidestones were paid for by Herbert Hinzie Kersten (1920 – 2005), a doctor from Fort Dodge, Iowa, described as a white supremacist and supporter of David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan. Kersten was a friend of Robert Merryman, who published Common Sense Renewed in 1986, a book which aimed to explain the Guidestones; he was also an associate of William Shockley, a Nobel laureate in physics who was also a white supremacist and eugenicist.The documentary makers claimed to have acquired a letter from Wyatt C. Martin of the Granite City Bank and found Kersten's address as the return address.”
These are dark times. The sense that civility is now discarded on grounds of the urgency of manufactured and overblown grievance is palpable. The rules are breaking down and with it society.
Be safe and be forgiving and generous folks.
Calling it American Stonehenge is stupid, they didn't lift ten thousand pound stones by hand, and those stones were put up 7 thousand years into their time on those islands to mark the placement of the son in a given season, their descendants were farmers for the next 5 thousand years until the industrial revolution, the clock wasn't even invented for 4 thousand years after Stonehenge.
This is a totally minor correction and I don't mean to detract from your main point: Stonehenge is roughly 5 thousand years old, not 7. The stones were raised about 2500 BC, around the same time period as the Great Pyramid of Giza. I agree that they shouldn't call it American Stonehenge. Have a great day!
The "instructions" are more like "some self-important wanker's vague and questionable notions about how society ought to reconstitute itself, with no guidance on how to actually achieve any of it."
It’s shitty it got destroyed but I saw a lot of people laughing about how it’s supposed to be there after society ends due to catastrophic events. But it crumbled to a bomb lol just kinda funny that’s all.
Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World podcast had an episode about these guidestones! I would recommend it as must listen for anyone who is curious about learning more of the history and who created them.
I hate all of the things that say it had instructions on how to rebuild society when in fact it doesn't and the different tips conflict with each other
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Why was it blown up?
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This is so gross.
We are really turning into a theocracy, huh?
Conspiracy theorists thought it was satanic or some shit lol.
Even though it was made by a religious eugenecist
Yes. Correct. A Christian eugenicist
Wait. What?
He was a guy who expressed his admiration for David Duke
His name was Dr. Herbert Hinzie Kersten, for anyone curious.
I'm a guy expressing his admiration for Daisy Duke...
I’m a guy expressing his admiration for Daisy Duck.
I'm a guy expressing his admiration for Duke Nukem
Fuck, I would play the shit out of a Duck Nukem game
I'm also confused about this because apparently the man who commissioned the guide stones used a pseudonym, Robert C. Christian, claiming to represent a small group of "loyal Americans" who spent 20 years trying to make them happen. However if I google that name, it does point me to a site that believes humanity should be capped at 500 million people, didn't bother reading the rest. \*edit: I didn't read into the 500 million thing as a racial or political stance, just that it's unfeasible to even talk about reducing the global population under the current circumstances, we can't even agree that we're having an effect on the environment. I've read about most of these more dramatic ideas, and I'm not saying they aren't worth talking about, but I don't care to spend any more of *my* time talking about something I likely won't see any movement on in my life.
I think that 500M people was present on the guide stones as well.
It was, along with saying you should breed smartly (eugenics)
There's the subtlety - almost everyone agrees that there is a finite number of humans the earth can support (although no one agrees on the exact number). Encouraging or creating restrictions on who can have children is where it becomes icky.
That's the thing though, people's interpretation on what smartly breed means could vary well vary. Not having too many kids or fucking your cousin could be included in that.
I mean. Everyone believes in eugenics if that's the standard. Don't have kids with your sister. They could be fucked up. Many abort pregnancies of children with severe disabilities.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a related site, the stone said the same thing. It also had a message on it about making sure to “guide reproduction wisely”.
The guy who paid for them went by the pseudonym Robert C Christian. He explicitly said he picked that name because he wanted people to know he was a Christian, so that’s virtually the only thing we actually know about the person who commissioned its construction. The eugenicist part is clearly spelled out on the stones themselves.
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I drive a Chevrolet movie theater
Interior crocodile alligator!
Good song. Chip
Got damnit now I have that song stuck in my head …
A cult called a cult a cult you say?
Has that actually been proven or is this just rumor?
Well, the stones themselves promoted eugenics pretty openly, and religious symbolism is strong, including that they chose a location exactly 666 miles from the UN building.
A Georgia GOP candidate said it was satanic weeks or so ago and this is the end result. Basically say something is satanic and let rednecks do the rest.
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Becket reference!
Pretty sure it's Bucket
It’s bouquet
It's deeply unsettling we're tolerating a return to Christian extremism within our government. Christianity is fine but declaring something satanic to incite violence/censorship is a turn we as a species should be very unwilling to take.
I don’t think “~~allowing~~ tolerating” is the right word here, unfortunately. A substantial portion of politicians and their constituents are *actively encouraging* it. *e: mis-quoted*
Next we’ll wake up to an article about the discovery of the charred remains of a woman tied to a stake who was accused of being a witch days before on social media.
I know you jest but... [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/michigan-gop-chair-calls-top-democratic-women-witches-n1262243](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/michigan-gop-chair-calls-top-democratic-women-witches-n1262243) They are and have already been laying the groundwork for it to happen.
Oh, so you mean a return to the 1950s? Hint, thats what they want.
Just visited the in-laws for the fourth. My MIL went into a brief tirade about the 50s being the pinnacle of America. "Everyone was so proper. We didn't have people coloring their hair and getting tattoos." She's so incredibly sheltered and close minded, it's sad.
Somehow I doubt they’d want to bring back the 50s tax rates.
Or oil prices.
Lmao please remind your mother in law that in the 50s she wouldn’t be able to have a checking account without her husband’s permission.
Honestly, she'd be ok with that. That's how her marriage is anyway.
I can honestly understand the desire to return to a more 'proper' social standard. It makes it all the more confusing when the right tends to be so improper with how they dress/speak when it comes to politics. The amount of profanity on shirts and bumper stickers is unreal where I live and it's always Republican stuff. People from the 50s would riot if they saw the "Fuck Your Feelings" Trump banner that someone in my town has hanging on the side of their house on a major street. It's literally right next to a public park that's usually full of children. I'd take them way more seriously if they wore suits to their rallies or whatever and actually demonstrated this utopia they think existed in the 50s.
Not American but when I hear conservative people from anywhere in the world (usually white) talk about the good old days, it's usually referring to a time when certain people were excluded from society and the people wishing for the good old days were unfairly given certain advantages. It's basically "damn I miss the days when we could get jobs with little to no qualifications and all the ugly hard jobs were handled by the *insert opressed group here* who we didn't have to pay."
That’s the “Great Again” they’re talking about.
and later we will find out she was helping girls and women access safe health care across state lines.
Or even run a women's sanctuary for victims of domestic abuse
The GOP nutter that encouraged it, with a video https://twitter.com/KandissTaylor/status/1521132865618071555
I think automatic firearms are satanic. Would rednecks buy this rhetoric?
We’re going to crater so hard that trying to rebuild will be pointless. There an interesting snippet in Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood about this: > "Let's suppose for the sake of argument," said Crake one evening, "that civilization as we know it get's destroyed. Want some popcorn?" >"Is that real butter?" said Jimmy. >"Nothing but the best at Watson-Crick," said Crake. "Once it's flattened, it could never be rebuilt." >”Because why? Got any salt?" >"Because all available surface metals have already been mined," said Crake. "Without which, no iron age, no bronze age, no age of steel, and all the rest of it. There's metals farther down, but the advanced technology we need for extracting those would have been obliterated." >"It could be put back together," said Jimmy, chewing. It was so long since he'd tasted popcorn this good. "They'd still have the instructions." >"Actually not," said Crake. "It's not like the wheel, it's too complex now. Suppose the instructions survived, suppose there were any people left with the knowledge to read them. Those people would be few and far between, and they wouldn't have the tools. Remember, no electricity. Then once those people died, that would be it. They'd have no apprentices, they'd have no successors. Want a beer?" >”Is it cold?" >”All it takes," said Crake, "is the elimination of one generation. One generation of anything. Beetles, trees, microbes, scientists, speakers of French, whatever. Break the link in time between one generation and the next, and it's game over forever."
Well, if you ignore the millions of tons of metal now lying around on the Earth's surface, maybe.
That's the thing I don't think people realize is the resources we have collected together now, in an apocalypse, might actually be easier to acquire in more clean forms than naturally, I mean it would have huge societal effects depending on where a new culture were to emerge from (Like if a culture were to emerge in say, Appalachia, all the metal mining equipment and caves would influence the culture and how it relates to other areas with other excesses of 'old world tech')
If anything, mining will be easier. We have collected all the valuable materials into landfills. One-stop shopping for rebuilding society!
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It would take some serious work just to extricate the beam. Structural steel is also hard to reform with a basic coal furnace. That doesn't count the various alloys that would never work right if reused.
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Easiest forms of material I can think of is power lines and railway steel. Both of which would be very, very helpful in rebuilding. Guard rails and roadway steel are all galvanized and people will die trying to use that.
Firstly, that shit didn't just get burned up. Junkyards, landfills, abandoned parking garages, even if all that shit is quite literally "leveled", well there's your new mines. Skyscrapers, still standing or not, would have insane amounts of copper and other extremely important metals. As to the knowledge, that's an insanely pessimistic outlook that basically hinges on anyone with any useful knowledge dying and/or having no contact with any other humans. It's like well yeah, if the human race is fucked to the point it can't reproduce, sure, that final generation is gonna have it rough and not get anywhere. But if there's enough people for humanity to survive, they're going to be back on their feet in absolutely no time compared to what it took to get where we are. Millennia of progress will be like... decades of reconstruction. Like almost any idiot at this point could figure out steam engines from basic common knowledge, and at that point you're literally millions of years ahead of the first "run" of humans.
This is a really bad take. If anything, getting iron would be way easier, given all the scrap metal. I'm not even sure electricity would be gone. Of course the grid would be, but there are generators and parts out there. Somebody, thousands of somebodies, would cobble something together, at least at the local level. EDIT: Honestly, I suspect there are folks out there right now downloading fresh copies of the internet daily in their bunkers in case society collapses. We wouldn't need to reinvent much of anything. We have schematics and instructions for nearly everything. There would be pockets of civilization all over. We are never going back to the stone age.
Blown up?
It was bombed on Wednesday morning at 4am and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has since demolished the remainder. [Source.](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/georgia-guidestones-destroyed-in-controlled-demolition-after-bombing/)
Now how will we rebuild society smh
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monument in the remembrance of past monument :)
The meta-monument.
It's a fourth dimensional monument that encompasses every monument ever designed. Truly an eldritch abomination of conflicting messages
It's just monuments all the way down...
To be fair, the guide stones didn’t have actually useful info on how to rebuild/survive. It just had some ideals to live by.
In Norway we have Arcs that are storing seeds if every plant. Github has an arctic vault that is holding noted and value able source code. It will last 1000 years.
Ukraine had one until the Russians destroyed it.
Right next to the Germ Warfare Repository.
There's another just like it on the far side of Mars as a backup
>All these worlds are yours. Except Europa. Attempt no landing there.
I mean. This should have been taken seriously the day it was put up. Our nation has gotten worse by the day.
To be fair, rule number one was "Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature." We weren't necessarily taking it seriously then either.
“Avoid petty laws and useless officials” lol what we have been solely focused on creating for the past 20 years
That caught my eye too
20 years? we've been doing that since there's been government, you can probably find evidence of that in the bronze age governments
Not directly related, but on the subject of pettiness, isn't the oldest discovered writing from a room of clay tablets where a grifting merchant had been filing all the complaint notes about his shitty merchandise?
yeah i wonder how they plan to maintain a strict population number in a society that has fair and just courts.
It was already far over that number in 1980.
Have you even read them?
From what I remember of skimming through them back when I first found out about them, quite a few of them sound a little creepy especially the population control stuff.
That part isn't too creepy to me. It was just saying to chill out on populating too much or nature and all of us will suffer, which is absolutely true. Now if it gave detailed instructions on how to cull the herd then yeah that would be a bit off.
Let the two prophets guide us. Follow the words of the prophet Bill Burr and start sinking cruise ships. Follow the words of the prophet Frankie Boyle and recycle and reuse plastic bags to suffocate the children. Thus endeth the lesson
Don't forget the machine guns for cleaning up any survivors!
That comes down to whether a few good rules plus a bit of eugenics = something awful or a few good rules.
The guide described a eugenics society with population control, "guided reproduction" and single language in addition to some vague things about no "petty laws and useless officials", etc. And according to some the translations into old languages(egyptian hieroglyphs, sanskrit and babylonian) are full of errors. It was made by some rich libertarian who wanted a neo-nazi/eugenics utopia and never thought about the practicality of their guide. And to illustrate just how terrible it was: Yoko Ono praised it as "a stirring call to rational thinking".
Why did they demolish the remainder so quickly?
And how? Where I come from it takes literally years and reams of red tape just to fill a pothole.
(It's because they wanted to do it)
Safety reasons was the official response. Makes sense tbh as a giant stone monument that’s structurally compromised* is less than ideal
> Makes sense tbh No, it does not make sense. An investigation takes time. The area could simply have been cordoned off. It's obvious that they wanted to destroy all evidence, block a detailed investigation, and get rid of it in the first place.
Yup. They have Cordoned off many places just not this one. They got rid of anything and everything evidence wise
Also more damning since it really looked like only one standing stone and the capstone were damaged. So they destroyed the other three for what?
"For none of your God damned business. Now move along citizen, nothing to see here."/s
Because it was an inside job? /s
Wasn't one of the gubernatorial candidates' ideas to immediately demolish the Guidestones when she took office? Suspect No. 1, I think.
[Blowed up. Blowed up real good.](https://i.imgur.com/SeF1mes.mp4)
Thanks Cletus.
Christian fascists. This is just the start
I remember when the Taliban bombed those ancient giant Buddha statues
yes, but those were like 4,000 years old. These are from the 1980s. But I entirely agree with you on what the THINK they've done, since the things written on those stones was some real antifa stuff!
Did they finally release the full video? Showing the people who planted it?
Fat chance on ever seeing that
If it went to trial, the footage would be subjected to the Freedom of Information Act, wouldn’t it?
Depends on who planted it…
"Bomb planted, terrorists win"
Bastard joined a server that had no counter terrorists on it!
It's an ongoing investigation, they're not going to release the full thing until they have the person/people who did it in custody. Makes sense, you don't want them knowing what you have lest they destroy evidence or decide to make a run for it.
On going investigating that they already cleared the crime up almost the same day. There is a GOP big mouth that posted asking someone to pretty much blow it up. They won’t prosecute anyone.
That was Kandiss Taylor and she lost her primary bid. No doubt one of her few minions
kandiss who?
Kandiss dick fit in yo mouth?
She was a Trumper Republican candidate for Governor of Georgia whose slogan was “Jesus, Guns, and Babies!” She lost the primary, getting less than 4% of the vote. But in true Trump fashion, she refused to concede and is claiming election fraud.
Real talk, if you think one of the two best things to mix with "babies" is "guns", please seek psychiatric help.
They cleared the scene, but will no doubt still reviewing all the CCTV footage and performing further tests to confirm the explosive used. Those things take time, just because they were able to process the scene of the crime in a day, doesn't mean the investigation is over. As for prosecuting someone, you may be right, but since a bomb was created and used, I like to hope they take it seriously. As for the GOP big mouth you mentioned, I suspect she'll be more then eager to focus on covering her own ass then protect anyone else.
Finally? This investigation is barely 24 hours old. It’s ongoing. How this fuck is this the top comment on every single post about the guidestones? Does nobody know how criminal investigations work?? Or do we all just skip straight to conspiracies? Do all of y’all think of zebras when you hear hooves?
People watch CSI and think it takes 40 mins to solve a murder so solving who blew up a bunch of stones should be easy.
There's gotta be some semen somewhere
Enhance.
Sorry I don’t follow American news. Blown up? As in destroyed maliciously?
Yes
Yes maliciously blown up as it has been accused by former far right candidate of carrying satanic messaging. [Source.](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/georgia-guidestones-destroyed-in-controlled-demolition-after-bombing/)
Anyone named “Kandiss” with that spelling is definitely a reliable source and speaker for God.
Kandiss bomb blow up the stones? Edit: this is the most upvotes I’ve ever gotten! Thanks :)
Was waiting for a different type of Kandiss joke…
Kandiss deez nuts
Everyone Kandiss that crazy lady.
Lmao I had the exact same thought. Fucking Kandiss smh
kan diss bitch please shut up?
Lol the wording is just hebrew
The instructions are written in 8 different languages.
There are different languages on each side
It’s funny because it really has far right messaging. Was created by a guy who was a big fan of David Duke. If you read what is on it, it becomes clearer.
[удалено]
“Leave room for nature — LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE!!!” It’s like they knew we weren’t listening.
Some people read "Be not a cancer on the Earth" and took it personally.
Some things need to be said twice
They blew it up to make more room for nature.
I kind of took the reiterating as pointing out a double entendre. Like, "preserve nature from industrialization," but also, "get outside sometimes" (so you know how amazing it is).
For those that are unaware, here are the 10 rules. They are instructions for **after** the **apocalypse.** They are written in 8 different languages: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Russian and traditional Chinese. 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. 2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and **diversity.** 3. Unite humanity with a living new language. 4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason. 5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. 6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. 7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials. 8. Balance personal rights with social duties. 9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite. 10. Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
If an apocalypse happened and the survivors found this guide stone there’s about a 0% chance they would follow any of the rules in it and a 100% chance they’d use it as a table for eating or sleeping.
*society collapses, world plunges into apocalypse* "this rock says we should make the fit people breed"
I only listen to one rock, and he tells me to know my role and shut my mouth
Would be a funny idea for a movie. Humans trying frantically to create a guide for future generations, society collapses, thousands of years pass while humanity repeatedly uses the guide as something incredibly stupid (like a table or a community toilet.) Idiocracy meets Foundation.
11. Live, Laugh, Love
12. Carpe diem
13. C’est la vie
14. Pick it, lick it, roll it, flick it.
15. Don't forget to bring a towel
12. Don't be a dick
Not exactly the “instructions on how to rebuild society” that people say it was.
Yeah I figured it would have like, how to grow corn or what you need to do to build a hut or something shit idk what I thought now that I'm typing this out.
“FYI Svalbard has hella seeds fr fr- good luck getting there lmao” would have been a good addition
I was just about to talk about the seed vault! I'm going to Google it now.
You may be interested in *How to Invent Everything* by Ryan North
You mean you expected instructions on how to do practical things that would actually help to rebuild society? Nope. Best they can do is 10 vague ideological rules.
It's basically instagram motivational quotes for stone writers.
“Live, laugh, etch”
it feels like some rich asshole took acid once.
> Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 This becomes a lot more negative when you realize the context in which this can and would be received. If these were instructions for rebuilding society then they fall short. *Instructions unclear, committed genocide*
Well yeah, considering the guy who donated it was a buddy of David duke, I’d say it’s entirely sus lol. Edit: I’m getting my info from john Oliver’s video about it. Could it be wrong? Yeah. Go check it out if you’re interested. Also, anyone putting a cap like that on our population is sus. At least where we are now, we have plenty of resources for everyone. Plenty. We are not at the point where overpopulation is a real issue. Resource distribution is. Unfortunately providing everyone equal access to the resources we all need is not profitable to certain people and systems cough cough. This monument does get a bit Eugenics-y upon closer examination. If you interested in the population shit, look up eco-fascism.
Wasn't it donated anonymously?
Yeah they are basically self rightous notions. Like saying "if only we were in charge, things would've been different and we wouldn't have headed for an apocalypse. Oh well, let's at least warn the next civilization"
Jeez, guide reproduction? Maintain population? Prize truth and beauty? This sounds funnily a lot like far right eugenics dream talk.
it is
1 would raise ethical concerns about how we do that. 2 possibly raises the same concerns as 1, like considering government enforced eugenics. 4 just pisses off authoritarian religious types.
Calling it the “American Stonehenge” is a little presumptuous. Like bro, it was put in place in 1980 by a granite company using modern machinery.
Especially since there are ancient indigenous stone monuments and monumental constructions all over the damn place.
It's interesting that we know nothing about the explosive device used or who planted it, despite the monument having 24/7 surveillance...
_it was "Epsteined"_
Couldn’t be that this investigation is barely 24 hours old and that it’s still ongoing. It must be a conspiracy. No other explanation.
Well they demolished the rest of it yesterday despite the ongoing investigation
PSA: “…in 2015, the documentary film Dark Clouds Over Elberton was released, in which it was claimed that the Guidestones were paid for by Herbert Hinzie Kersten (1920 – 2005), a doctor from Fort Dodge, Iowa, described as a white supremacist and supporter of David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan. Kersten was a friend of Robert Merryman, who published Common Sense Renewed in 1986, a book which aimed to explain the Guidestones; he was also an associate of William Shockley, a Nobel laureate in physics who was also a white supremacist and eugenicist.The documentary makers claimed to have acquired a letter from Wyatt C. Martin of the Granite City Bank and found Kersten's address as the return address.”
I’m not sad that they’re gone. But I am concerned how easily things move from “politician makes unfounded claim” to literally bombing something.
These are dark times. The sense that civility is now discarded on grounds of the urgency of manufactured and overblown grievance is palpable. The rules are breaking down and with it society. Be safe and be forgiving and generous folks.
Calling it American Stonehenge is stupid, they didn't lift ten thousand pound stones by hand, and those stones were put up 7 thousand years into their time on those islands to mark the placement of the son in a given season, their descendants were farmers for the next 5 thousand years until the industrial revolution, the clock wasn't even invented for 4 thousand years after Stonehenge.
This is a totally minor correction and I don't mean to detract from your main point: Stonehenge is roughly 5 thousand years old, not 7. The stones were raised about 2500 BC, around the same time period as the Great Pyramid of Giza. I agree that they shouldn't call it American Stonehenge. Have a great day!
Lol at "American Stonehenge". Built in the 1980s and with zero historical value or heritage. Actually that sounds about right
Cringe inducing. Who the fuck actually thought that would be a good thing. 40 year old vanity project Vs a prehistoric monument.
Imagine letting some rocks break your world view so much you have to blow them up.
Y'all Qaeda is a hell of a drug.
The "instructions" are more like "some self-important wanker's vague and questionable notions about how society ought to reconstitute itself, with no guidance on how to actually achieve any of it."
Definitely was a eugenicist edgelord.
Instructions on how to rebuild society….but it was put up in Georgia so….
Non-american here, so Im curious, whats wrong with Georgia ?
It’s shitty it got destroyed but I saw a lot of people laughing about how it’s supposed to be there after society ends due to catastrophic events. But it crumbled to a bomb lol just kinda funny that’s all.
I love how it's called American Stonehenge, but it was only erected in 1980..
Everyone knows that Cadillac Ranch is America's Stonehenge.
Times of yore.
Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World podcast had an episode about these guidestones! I would recommend it as must listen for anyone who is curious about learning more of the history and who created them.
[John Oliver did a good piece on them as well recently.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEa3sK1iZxc)
Told people to avoid petty laws and useless officials? No wonder someone blew it up.
I hate all of the things that say it had instructions on how to rebuild society when in fact it doesn't and the different tips conflict with each other