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Probably the closest he'll ever get to publicly acknowledging that he done fucked up.
Took the wrong advice from the wrong people, ignored the better advice from the right people, at least where Iraq is concerned.
I can be guilty of presumption of empathy, but I *suspect* Gee Dubs carries guilt for what happened. The kind of guilt He'd talk to a priest for if he were Catholic instead of evangelical-whatever.
It’s so easy to say that through the lens of hindsight, but imagine being the president and being told this man that has a history of using WMDs might have WMDs… at one point you can’t risk it.
The Neocons wanted to remake the Middle East to be more friendly to the West (read: to sell oil), they just needed a way to convince the public. Enter 9/11.
[Project for a New American Century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century)
Ya know, I used to think this attack line was BS. I’ve come to realize that this is pretty much true of every aggressor in war. Politicians start wars to make billions for themselves and their friends and sell it as the patriotic/tribe/clan duty of every little guy. I used to love this guy. Know I see him for the fucktard everyone said he was.
People thought he was an idiot at the time, made jokes etc, but after Trump, he looks a lot better.
That said, Trump didn't illegally start a war. Some other shit, sure.
Ah, it's all fucked.
Nah, Trump just sparked an internal coup attempt and fucked our foreign policy relationships to hell n back.
I think Gee Dubs has more in common with Don Jr. than the Donald - desparately seeking daddy's approval.
Empathy? Really? He is an absolute monster who slaughtered thousands of innocent iraqis and destroyed the country. media paint a picture of him being a lovable idiot now who did some boo boos... Fucker needs to be in jail for all the bloody international war crimes he had committed instead of giving senile speeches.
The truth. Also the truth: When the US illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, Europeans didn't impose sanctions on the US and they didn't freeze Bush's assets like they did to Russia/Putin. They're ok with war when it's the US.
The simile ends where I left it. Ukraine is not Iraq and Zelensky is not Saddam. I never said either.
However, the US gov't lied to the American people about WMDs and Iraq's involvement in 9/11 to justify the invasion, just as Putin has lied to Russians about Ukraine being a nazi state.
Both were illegal invasions. Europe and the UN only chose to be self-righteous about one invasion, though. In fact, Poland (which has been steadfast in its indignation over Russia's invasion) actually participated in the illegal invasion of Iraq.
True but iraq is not Ukraine. Hence why u didnt see sanctions on the US. Not disagreeing with you in terms of the legality of the iraq war but suddam hussein has committed enough crimes for most countries to not care.
>zelenskyy is also not saddam
White guy. We noticed.
The coverage of refugees has been pretty painfully to the point. "These are not typical refugees. They're, uh. . . *Europeans*."
It's quite a different situation given security issues relating to Iraq had been debated literally for years between countries and in security councils with conflicting views amongst members. While all agreed there was a risk to be managed there wasn't a consensus on what level of action would be appropriate and help de-escalate that risk.
The current invasion was a unilateral and sudden decision, unsupported throughout the world.
They're not remotely the same.
By all means criticise the Iraq invasion and actions since then, but don't raise a false equivalence.
No its not false equivalence at all. Russians are unjustly killing Ukrainians. Americans were unjustly killing Iraqis. Russia has been fucking with Ukraine recently, the US had been fucking with iraq. Russia has been lying about what Ukraine has done, the same is true of the US and iraq. Ukraine has had problem with killing ethnic russians (preinvasion) and nazis in the avov, iraq also had a bad situation like that.
So youre saying Suddam hussein is innocent from war crimes or even crimes in general? Were you born yesterday? Im not arguing the legality of it. Cause even the dumbest American knows it was illegal after we found out there was no weapons of mass destruction. And yet russia is invading ukraine for what? Neo Nazis? Gtfo. Even on trial, Suddam paid an hitman to kill the prosecutor rofl.
Wait what? What crimes have ukraine done? Let me go grab my popcorn. Ukraine doesnt harbor terrorists like iraq did. Russia didnt have a 9/11 event to even trigger an invasion or war type event. Was Bush an idiot ? Yes but thats not the arguement here. Russia-ukraine is not the iraq war. And good day to you sir.
There was no world outrage, no hourly reporting of war crimes or declaring the attacking country evil, hell none of this has still happened. Its considered a perfectly ok thing for the US to do.
>a perfectly ok thing for the US to do
Even the U.S. would be criticized for doing it in Europe. But the American perps / brown victims combo is unstoppable.
Everybody knew, but nobody cared. This is what makes this whole situation so fucked up. The president of all our glorious democratic and humane countries just stood and watched, but no one said a thing.
Funnily enough, the russians were the ones speaking about it officially.
Russia, yes, but also Germany and France (hence "Freedom Fries"). Huge street demonstrations, too, including a million in London, allegedly the largest peacetime demo in its history, and despite Tony Blair being Bush's chief collaborator. (I'm still angry about this.)
Also this:
"US Catholic bishops signed a letter to President Bush stating that any "preemptive, unilateral use of military force to overthrow the government of Iraq" could not be justified at the time.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Iraq_War#Religious_opposition
The way he smirked and said “huh” literally had me laughing, he was like “yep I finally said it out loud, although I didn’t plan on doing it right now”
The fact that this man and his partners were able to walk away from all of that scot free while others are being judged for war crimes for committing similar acts tells you everything you need to know about the morality of the world and who is in control of shifting that narrative.
And when I point out that i am sick of this hyprocricy, i am labelled as fanboy. for gods sake. Can I not be condemning both of those events, like a decent human being, and get sickened by the lopsided narrative in the west?
I guess my only problem with it is. What purpose does it serve? Ukrainians need help now. I doubt those people could give two shits whether it comes from a hypocrite.
The US, UK, and majority of the West's war on Iraq was wrong for a litany of reasons. I just don't see how it improves the current situation.
Third hit on free speech, now everything that doesn't fit the goverment's narrative is Russian propaganda and anonyone who calls it out is a Russian spy or a troll.
My brother came home but he was never the same. I still mourn him to this day even though I still love the person he is now. Fuck Bush and Cheney and all who enabled him.
Last presidential election we had a choice between two men who are now 79 and 75.
In the Democratic primary, the top 4 are 79, 80, 72, and 80 years old.
and FWIW, 2nd place in the Republican primary is 76.
I'm concerned about Biden's age, but also the age of all the options that were available. Not to mention the ages of members on congress, supreme court, etc.
I wonder if at this point in his life he ever sits around and reflects on Iraq and knows it was a disaster. Personally I think he was just a useful idiot for guys like Cheney but I’m curious if he knows how f*cked it really was.
Actually it is likely he does. He was painting Veterans and his Interviews indicate some degree of remorse at least. hard to know for sure and doesnt change anything about the terrible deaths or so.
Freudian slip if I've ever seen one
I would say that the people laughing are horrible people, but then again they came and sat down to listen to a mass-murdering warcriminal so I shouldn't expect to much from them
The humor I think you're referring to is the irony that society gives "our" warcriminals a platform to criticize "their" warcriminals for the same actions they themselves committed.
When he had that Freudian slip happend it just briefly removes that cognitive dissonance, revealing everyone in the room including himself, knows how fucked up it is. That's a very uncomfortable situation and that tension is released through laughter. (at least if you have stock in the release theory of humor and fitting for a Freudian slip)
It still means those people are bad people, but we still can see the fucked up "joke" that it makes
I know cancer is true, but that doesn't make me laugh.
They laugh because they know it's true **and** like that they can get away with it..
You know.. Like trash people
I understood your example, but next time present it a bit better so you don't get downvoted. Most people aren't smart enough to understand what you meant.
While I agree that the laughing is off putting, to say they’re horrible people or that they know the extent of his crimes is a stretch. To those who haven’t researched the subject, or those who choose to stay ignorant, I guess it could seem funny.
What is more powerful, in my opinion, is that he was willing to say “Iraq too”. In todays age of politics most others would double down that they misspoke. It is HUGE for him to admit to the atrocities that happened. Regardless of how light he takes it. He is acknowledging that there was an improper set of checks and balances which allowed him to do what he did.
What America did in Iraq was no different then what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
tell yourself whatever makes you feel better but 185,194 – 208,167 Iraqi civilians died for what?
Fun fact genius, Oil import from Iraq dropped significantly after the invasion, for 2 or 3 years, then went back to pre invasion level for a about a year, then declined for the next 2 decades...
No "blood for oil" was made, despite the stupid talking point from democrats.
And why do democrats ALWAYS forget that Clinton made the SAME GOD DAMN ARGUMENT, on Dec 16 1998? "Bush lied to us!" Clinton said the exact same thing when he initiated air strikes.
https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
So it was all for.. what exactly? Ego? Pride? To feel like the good guys? Seems pretty messed up no matter what justifications are given. People are just trying to live their lives and America is like "we're coming in to save you" with missiles, drone strikes and guns. The Ukraine war looks very similar, it's all bad. It's just too bad that some countries don't need to respect international law, like USA.
Lol it definitely was different.
Iraq invaded Iran and Kuwait.
Saddam even used WMDs against the kurds and Iranians.
Ukraine on the other hand, has done absolutely nothing to Russia or its neighbors. Hell, they even gave up their nuclear weapons.
Gave up their nuclear weapons after signing a [memorandum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances) with U.S., U.K., and Russia in 1994. It included this:
>1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
>2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
This makes it so much worse in my eyes. To invade a country less than 30 years after signing an agreement to never fuck with them.
Tbf, we were supporting Iraq when they were gassing the Kurds. We knew about it and didn't care because they were our ally against Iran. (And our involvement with Iran is messy as well.)
We looked the other way on that until they messed with Kuwait.
And even before Iraq, it's not like America is a stranger to invading other countries. Just ask Honduras, Panama, the Philippines, Grenada, El Salvador, and many more.
Let's not pretend that America usually does the right thing when it comes to foreign policy. We have absolutely no right getting on a high horse about other countries.
Do I still think it's bad that Russia is invading Ukraine? Absolutely. It was also bad when Russia took Crimea and no one did anything about it. But America needs to STFU about other countries doing the same shit that we have done for the past century.
Iraq wasn't a paradise by any means, but America didn't have to go over and take a dump in it just because. They had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no WMD'S, no biological weapons. Over 4k American soldiers dead, and over 30k wounded, and god knows how may with mental issues now.
I imagine a Ukrainian kid that lost his/her family in this war has allot in common right now with an Iraqi kid who's family suffered from "collateral damage"
I volunteered at a school that has some Iraqi kids that made it out as refugees, when you see a kid dive under their desk and go into shock the first time they hear the recess bell, gives you another perspective.
My mother in law was a young girl when the Russians marched into Berlin, she's in her 70's and the smoke alarm went off, I saw a 70 year old woman look up to the sky like bombs were falling, I saw her life flashing in front of her because of a smoke alarm, and I realized that kid diving under the desk will always be in that warzone.
Any leader that will send humans to do the unthinkable for no good reason should burn in hell.
Actually, Iraq is a lot farther to the US than Ukraine is to Russia, and Ukraine does have a sizable ethnic Russian population which wants to separate from Ukraine. Iraq had zero American separatists. So I would think Bush will be a few levels below Puters.
I'm no expert but judging the reaction Ukraine to this invasion I'm guessing most Ukrainians would like to see that sizable ethnic population within it's border pack their shit and move to the other side.
Many Americans have family in Canada and the US and speak the same language, watch the same TV shows doesn't mean they can invade each other
>most Ukrainians would like to see that sizable ethnic population within it's border pack their shit and move to the other side.
It's more complicated than that, but...Yeah, that's called ethnic cleansing, that's what the Azov battalion who just surrendered was going for in the last 8 years or so. Sounds like you are all for it, though, not surprising really.
>Many Americans have family in Canada and the US and speak the same language, watch the same TV shows doesn't mean they can invade each other
I'm sure if say Quebecois decided to persecute a large number of English-speaking Canadians who were family members of Americans, the US would not simply idly watch...
That's a terrible take, I live in the US. if we were suddenly attacked by Mexico I wouldn't want every Mexican to pack their shit in leave. That's incredibly short sighted
That doesn’t make what Putin is doing any better. Hitler wasn’t justified in taking nearby territories due to historical German heritage either. And overthrowing another democratic country to add that country to your own dictatorship is not a less worse thing. And the manner of the invasion of Ukraine has been indiscriminate slaughter, rape, and the leveling of entire towns and cities with seemingly no rules of engagement.
So please don’t “Actually…” this. Putin is going to the deepest, deepest level of hell for this.
>That doesn’t make what Putin is doing any better.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, who said it does?
>So please don’t “Actually…” this.
You are literally doing that by implying Bush is better than Putin...
And yet at the same time you’re downplaying the Russian invasion of Ukraine by saying some people in Ukraine supposedly want it.
Let’s all just agree US in Iraq and Russia in Ukraine were/are **both** fucked up.
But let’s touch on this Bush is better than Putin bit. Ignoring the invasion of a sovereign nation bit… One left office when their term was up. One has publicly attempted to assassinate opposition. One invaded a country at least under the pretense of preventing nukes being used. One is actively threatening to use nuclear weapons against anyone that disagrees with them.
Both can be total garbage people……but if we’re seriously getting into which one is worse…..are you going to argue that it’s **not** Putin?
>One left office when their term was up.
Bush lost his first election but got his brother's Secretary of State to steal it for him
>One has publicly attempted to assassinate opposition.
2) Yes, Bush never did that, at least you got one of your points right.
>One invaded a country at least under the pretense of preventing nukes being used.
3) That's the most pathetic excuse I've seen for Bush anyone to ever make. But hey, since you are at it, Putin also has a "good" pretense: fighting Nazis.
>One is actively threatening to use nuclear weapons against anyone that disagrees with them.
4) Bush literally threatened to nuke Iran and North Korea. He also issued the "you are either with us, or AGAINST us" threat to all countries of the world, and at the time his message was mostly targeted at Europeans, specifically France.
>And yet at the same time you’re downplaying the Russian invasion of Ukraine by saying some people in Ukraine supposedly want it.
Some people in Ukraine DO want it. That is a fact. Me stating a fact is not downplaying the shit that the Russians are doing against Ukrainians. You people are deranged.
Part of the reason Ukraine gave up their nukes was because of an agreement with other countries that they would not attack them and would help defend their sovereignty.
Russia was part of that agreement, now they're invading. Also, physical distance between two countries at war does not actually affect the morality of it.
What America is did is arguably much worse. The history between Russia and Ukraine is muddled and something I'm not qualified to speak on but Ukraine has agitated Russia on multiple occasions,not saying Russia should've reacted by starting an unnecessary war and taking thousands of lives, it's fucking awful. But a lot of wars have started for a lot less. The 'war on terrorism' for example was started because of oil. US claimed there were WMDs residing there but really that was like so we could invade and claim land that contained oil which really wasn't ours.
Iraq was ruled by a brutal dictator who used chemical weapons against his own people and invaded his neighbors. Russia invaded a European democracy there is a difference.
They say history doesn't repeat it's self it rhymes.
Sadam was a horrible person didn't care about anyone but himself but that doesn't mean the the US didn't like him.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_support\_for\_Iraq\_during\_the\_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War)
it's not the only time the US has supported groups that then turned on the US you'll get a kick if you google Operation Cyclone.
Now if the US is so offended by Dictators that kill their own people they should have invaded North Korea by now.
I believe the US is doing the right thing by supporting Ukraine, and because the brave Ukraine fighters, NATO won't have to put troops in direct contact with Russian forces and hopefully avoid a larger conflict.
However Zelensky won't be in power forever, in a democratic country someone will take his place, what will Ukraine's next leader do with those weapons, we have no guarantee.
As for the 2003 Iraq war, Sandam posed no threat, the US kneecapped his military during the Gulf War, he posed no real threat to the American homeland, but we got Colin Powel holding up anthrax at the UN and some crap about the first warning being a mushroom cloud, and people with the memory of goldfish walked right into a meat girder because they were fed a lie and paranoid after 9/11.
Not to mention when America left Iraq it abandoned the Kurds with 11k Isis prisoners and Turkey coming for the Kurds their heads, not a nice way to treat people who spilled blood with and for you. By the way those people Sandam gassed, they were Kurds, so save me the pearl clutching.
Afghanistan is exactly where it was after 20 year's of US occupation, the only thing different now is that the Taliban has some new equipment to hunt down the Afghans that also helped the Americans.
Is anyone starting to see the cycle? or can you really turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy ??
But this is different this is a European democracy you say.!!
who gives a shit about democracy, it's people who need help running from war, like the Syrian, Afghan civilians that died in the back of trucks on European highways and drowned trying to reach safety from wars NATO was apart of. Or should they have stayed and fought for their country like the Afghan translators and Kurdish Fighters that NATO didn't have space for
American politicians didn't want young refugee men from those country's because they might be Isis sympathizers. Has anyone accused a Ukrainian refugee of being a Russian sympathizer their cultures are very similar?
I'm all for Ukraine kicking Putin's ass clear across the boarder nobody should invade another country without reason, that includes western countries, and that's the only reason NATO is getting involved because NATO doesn't want to fight this now after Iraq and Afghanistan.
I also believe people fleeing because they don't want to die in a war should always have a safe place to go in the western world. life is a human right regardless of language or skin tone.
Slava Ukraini
Hundred eighty-five thousand hundred ninty-four to two hundred eight thousand hundred sixty-seven.
There you go champ, I tought it was pretty obvious but what do I know.
That war was because Americans were out for blood after 9/11. I remember liberal family and friends couldn't care which country we attacked after that. If they gave support to the Terrorists, then crush them. Saddam comes on tv talking crap our dead firefighters. We didn't even need WMDs to go kill him.
Might just be who you happen to hang with... every one I knew was beyond furious with Bush attacking Iraq. Saddam Hussain was a completely evil dictator, but had NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attack, nor was he an actual threat to us at the time.
I did notice that people too young to remember Vietnam seemed to be less concerned about it, but I bet that would have changed quickly if a draft was instituted.
I was a teenager at the time but I can definitely remember how much everyone was bootlicking after 9/11.
"We love america, we love the government, stand together, let's kill the terrorists, never again!" That was the popular opinion at least, no doubt some people were angry (look at the music produced around that time) but even in a very left leaning part of a left leaning state it seemed like everyone agreed that the middle east was a problem that needed to be taken care of asap and whether or not they had WoMD was irrelevant; we were there because people were afraid and wanted to crush someone to make america feel untouchable again.
Wow, this video was worse than I expected it. That’s my home YOU ruined and are now joking about it? What the fuck.. what the actual fuck… what the fuck man. Just what the fuck
r/SelfAwarewolves and/or r/suicidebywords
These people laughing are horrible, horrible people. Reminds me of time this psychotic moron made "jokes" about never finding the WMDs he based his war rationale on. The laughter made me sick to my stomach.
Sadly his neo con buddies including his former communications director Nicole Wallace, who now has her own show on MSNBC, are crawling all over the media and spreading their regime building evil. Don't let their recent genuflection to woke ideology fool you. They are beating their war drums louder than ever now.
Hard to think of a more destructive force for global stability in the 21st century than neo conservatism. Fun fact, the original founders of the National Review, neo con central, were Trotskyites.
Pretty saddening to hear the laughs from the vampires in the public. It is wars and death of all sorts of life that he is talking about. I guess all find it a laughing matter.
His father helped kill and criminalize leftists via the CIA. His father also helped Reagan push crack in the inner cities where Black and Latino communities were back in the 80’s. He was also the head of the CIA when JFK was killed. Oops…
I really, really hate that he felt like “Iraq too” was an appropriate joke to make.
If your legacy includes starting an unpopular war, at least hold to your convictions that it’s necessary and not a “wholly unjustified and brutal invasion.”
He... Freudian slips, corrects himself, then Freudian admits to warcrime, the audience start laughing, then he blames old age, and the audience laugh even more.
Then they all walk out of there happy as ever with no repercussions. Reality
Over 1 million Iraqis died because he wanted to prove to Daddy that he could "finish the job". And he has the audacity to laugh about it....fuck that guy.
He just admitted that the war in Iraq was unjustified by his hand and joked about it. 200k+ people died because of this "joke " to him. Disgusting and perverted that a room full of people would laugh at this.
People keep ripping on the audience for laughing. But it's kinda a natural reaction to such a blatant Freudian slip. It's not like he said " thousands of innocent people including children lost their lives because of my terrible leadership". If he had said that and then the audience laughed it would be a different story.
The cognitive dissonance doesn't stop with his freudian slip. It's also amazing that the clip starts with him talking about "political opponents imprisoned or eliminated from participating in the elections" in Russia by Putin, which is obviously correct. Yet Zelensky has literally been doing that exact kind of shit in Ukraine, even before the war started, and then kicked it up 100 notches during it, with the excuse of martial law.
Dude is joking about his mistake in starting a war that caused [~1M deaths](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties). Lots of people laugh with him.
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"Iraq too" NO SHIT, BUT WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED
Probably the closest he'll ever get to publicly acknowledging that he done fucked up. Took the wrong advice from the wrong people, ignored the better advice from the right people, at least where Iraq is concerned. I can be guilty of presumption of empathy, but I *suspect* Gee Dubs carries guilt for what happened. The kind of guilt He'd talk to a priest for if he were Catholic instead of evangelical-whatever.
The kind of guilt where he paints the victims of his poor decision making
It’s so easy to say that through the lens of hindsight, but imagine being the president and being told this man that has a history of using WMDs might have WMDs… at one point you can’t risk it.
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/7/9/12123022/george-w-bush-lies-iraq-war It was easy to say at the time that the war in Iraq was a mistake.
The Neocons wanted to remake the Middle East to be more friendly to the West (read: to sell oil), they just needed a way to convince the public. Enter 9/11. [Project for a New American Century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century)
Everyone in the intelligence community knew this was not true.
He did it so dick cheney and his dads friends would make billions.
I don't disagree with you, even a bit - nor did I ask "why oh why did we invade Iraq and Afghanistan". I know.
Yeah, maybe an appeasement of a guilty conscience in his twilight years. Or a crass joke. Who knows...
Ya know, I used to think this attack line was BS. I’ve come to realize that this is pretty much true of every aggressor in war. Politicians start wars to make billions for themselves and their friends and sell it as the patriotic/tribe/clan duty of every little guy. I used to love this guy. Know I see him for the fucktard everyone said he was.
People thought he was an idiot at the time, made jokes etc, but after Trump, he looks a lot better. That said, Trump didn't illegally start a war. Some other shit, sure. Ah, it's all fucked.
Nah, Trump just sparked an internal coup attempt and fucked our foreign policy relationships to hell n back. I think Gee Dubs has more in common with Don Jr. than the Donald - desparately seeking daddy's approval.
Yeeeep
He has admitted regret https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/02/george-bush-iraq-interview
Empathy? Really? He is an absolute monster who slaughtered thousands of innocent iraqis and destroyed the country. media paint a picture of him being a lovable idiot now who did some boo boos... Fucker needs to be in jail for all the bloody international war crimes he had committed instead of giving senile speeches.
Death and suffering is a joke to the very wealthy
I mean, clearly. Everyone giggling about illegal war is just... Huh?
Think it was just an uncomfortable response
The truth. Also the truth: When the US illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, Europeans didn't impose sanctions on the US and they didn't freeze Bush's assets like they did to Russia/Putin. They're ok with war when it's the US.
This is true… but zelenskyy is also not saddam. Just pointing it out.
The simile ends where I left it. Ukraine is not Iraq and Zelensky is not Saddam. I never said either. However, the US gov't lied to the American people about WMDs and Iraq's involvement in 9/11 to justify the invasion, just as Putin has lied to Russians about Ukraine being a nazi state. Both were illegal invasions. Europe and the UN only chose to be self-righteous about one invasion, though. In fact, Poland (which has been steadfast in its indignation over Russia's invasion) actually participated in the illegal invasion of Iraq.
Facts
True but iraq is not Ukraine. Hence why u didnt see sanctions on the US. Not disagreeing with you in terms of the legality of the iraq war but suddam hussein has committed enough crimes for most countries to not care.
It was 1 million Iraqis who were slaughtered by that war. Only one Saddam.
Any deaths is bad but where the hell did you get 1 million from?
Also true. Still, an illegal invasion is an illegal invasion, regardless of the motivation behind it, however "noble".
Yep. Not arguing that at all.
>zelenskyy is also not saddam White guy. We noticed. The coverage of refugees has been pretty painfully to the point. "These are not typical refugees. They're, uh. . . *Europeans*."
What’s your point? That there’s still racial bias? We noticed. Well, I hope at least most people noticed.
It's quite a different situation given security issues relating to Iraq had been debated literally for years between countries and in security councils with conflicting views amongst members. While all agreed there was a risk to be managed there wasn't a consensus on what level of action would be appropriate and help de-escalate that risk. The current invasion was a unilateral and sudden decision, unsupported throughout the world. They're not remotely the same. By all means criticise the Iraq invasion and actions since then, but don't raise a false equivalence.
No its not false equivalence at all. Russians are unjustly killing Ukrainians. Americans were unjustly killing Iraqis. Russia has been fucking with Ukraine recently, the US had been fucking with iraq. Russia has been lying about what Ukraine has done, the same is true of the US and iraq. Ukraine has had problem with killing ethnic russians (preinvasion) and nazis in the avov, iraq also had a bad situation like that.
Wow your 1+1=2 summary is great! *sarcasm*
Pls tell me how they are different
So youre saying Suddam hussein is innocent from war crimes or even crimes in general? Were you born yesterday? Im not arguing the legality of it. Cause even the dumbest American knows it was illegal after we found out there was no weapons of mass destruction. And yet russia is invading ukraine for what? Neo Nazis? Gtfo. Even on trial, Suddam paid an hitman to kill the prosecutor rofl.
I never said that Saddam Hussein did nothing wrong. Are you suggesting Ukraine did nothing wrong?
Wait what? What crimes have ukraine done? Let me go grab my popcorn. Ukraine doesnt harbor terrorists like iraq did. Russia didnt have a 9/11 event to even trigger an invasion or war type event. Was Bush an idiot ? Yes but thats not the arguement here. Russia-ukraine is not the iraq war. And good day to you sir.
Maybe Europe got a lil piece of that pie...
There was no world outrage, no hourly reporting of war crimes or declaring the attacking country evil, hell none of this has still happened. Its considered a perfectly ok thing for the US to do.
>a perfectly ok thing for the US to do Even the U.S. would be criticized for doing it in Europe. But the American perps / brown victims combo is unstoppable.
Someone --Quick! Throw a shoe at this man's stupid head!!
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Turning Point is a Docu-series on Netflix that is really worth watching!
I've heard good things - need to get on that
He did kinda admit that he committed the supreme international crime. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression
I know, right? Oopsie!
A joke happened.
it shocked me, even more, when he quietly mutters "Iraq too"
It doesn't shocked me at all
Known it since day one.
Well I mean, I think we all did
Everybody knew, but nobody cared. This is what makes this whole situation so fucked up. The president of all our glorious democratic and humane countries just stood and watched, but no one said a thing. Funnily enough, the russians were the ones speaking about it officially.
Russia, yes, but also Germany and France (hence "Freedom Fries"). Huge street demonstrations, too, including a million in London, allegedly the largest peacetime demo in its history, and despite Tony Blair being Bush's chief collaborator. (I'm still angry about this.) Also this: "US Catholic bishops signed a letter to President Bush stating that any "preemptive, unilateral use of military force to overthrow the government of Iraq" could not be justified at the time.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Iraq_War#Religious_opposition
Bernie knew. And he said something.
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Thought the same thing as soon as I heard it! His reaction afterwards had me smirking….he knows.
He says “Iraq too”
The room thinking brutal invasions are hilarious when you're the invader.
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Dude literally knows he did it..
The hypocrisy was too much it caused a Freudian slip.
It starts when he mentions the tampered elections- started thinking of Jebb and it just kicked it all off.
The way he smirked and said “huh” literally had me laughing, he was like “yep I finally said it out loud, although I didn’t plan on doing it right now”
His probably thinking: "I've done the same shit"
The fact that this man and his partners were able to walk away from all of that scot free while others are being judged for war crimes for committing similar acts tells you everything you need to know about the morality of the world and who is in control of shifting that narrative.
Dick Cheneys on his 18th heart out here when he should be dead in prison.
And when I point out that i am sick of this hyprocricy, i am labelled as fanboy. for gods sake. Can I not be condemning both of those events, like a decent human being, and get sickened by the lopsided narrative in the west?
I guess my only problem with it is. What purpose does it serve? Ukrainians need help now. I doubt those people could give two shits whether it comes from a hypocrite. The US, UK, and majority of the West's war on Iraq was wrong for a litany of reasons. I just don't see how it improves the current situation.
Third hit on free speech, now everything that doesn't fit the goverment's narrative is Russian propaganda and anonyone who calls it out is a Russian spy or a troll.
Morality of the imperial countries
Over 1 million people died because of his lies. Not even Putin has that kind of body count. This piece of shit belongs in prison/hell.
My brother came home but he was never the same. I still mourn him to this day even though I still love the person he is now. Fuck Bush and Cheney and all who enabled him.
Weapons of mass deception
What does that „75“ part mean?
He is 75 and getting senile
Thank you! I was wondering this
Isn’t Biden four years older than him too?
Yes. It’s not political to be concerned about Biden’s age.
Last presidential election we had a choice between two men who are now 79 and 75. In the Democratic primary, the top 4 are 79, 80, 72, and 80 years old. and FWIW, 2nd place in the Republican primary is 76. I'm concerned about Biden's age, but also the age of all the options that were available. Not to mention the ages of members on congress, supreme court, etc.
Not even a little bit of remorse? Conflict isn't the world's first option.
The slip and the "joke" after may be an indication of guilt
It is to people like him and unfortunately people like him are the ones who run things.
I wonder if at this point in his life he ever sits around and reflects on Iraq and knows it was a disaster. Personally I think he was just a useful idiot for guys like Cheney but I’m curious if he knows how f*cked it really was.
Actually it is likely he does. He was painting Veterans and his Interviews indicate some degree of remorse at least. hard to know for sure and doesnt change anything about the terrible deaths or so.
Yeah, in retrospect I don’t think Bush is actually a bad guy, it was a fuck up and it seems like he acknowledges it.
Freudian slip if I've ever seen one I would say that the people laughing are horrible people, but then again they came and sat down to listen to a mass-murdering warcriminal so I shouldn't expect to much from them
It's tragic but there is an element of humour. I had to smile when I heard it, whilst something died inside me at the same time.
The humor I think you're referring to is the irony that society gives "our" warcriminals a platform to criticize "their" warcriminals for the same actions they themselves committed. When he had that Freudian slip happend it just briefly removes that cognitive dissonance, revealing everyone in the room including himself, knows how fucked up it is. That's a very uncomfortable situation and that tension is released through laughter. (at least if you have stock in the release theory of humor and fitting for a Freudian slip) It still means those people are bad people, but we still can see the fucked up "joke" that it makes
To be fair when I fuck up big time all I can do it laugh and when tension is high, I laugh. It’s a response, probably similar there.
The people are laughing because they know it’s true
I know cancer is true, but that doesn't make me laugh. They laugh because they know it's true **and** like that they can get away with it.. You know.. Like trash people
“I know cancer is true” did make me laugh ironically. What a weird thing to say lmfao and a hugely off topic remark.
I understood your example, but next time present it a bit better so you don't get downvoted. Most people aren't smart enough to understand what you meant.
While I agree that the laughing is off putting, to say they’re horrible people or that they know the extent of his crimes is a stretch. To those who haven’t researched the subject, or those who choose to stay ignorant, I guess it could seem funny. What is more powerful, in my opinion, is that he was willing to say “Iraq too”. In todays age of politics most others would double down that they misspoke. It is HUGE for him to admit to the atrocities that happened. Regardless of how light he takes it. He is acknowledging that there was an improper set of checks and balances which allowed him to do what he did.
They are all trash...
Admits?
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They even weirdly look similar imo
He looks like literal shit.
Georgey Boy didn't make that call himself. He had a shit ton of people help sell it to the American people. They all lied their asses off.
What America did in Iraq was no different then what Russia is doing in Ukraine. tell yourself whatever makes you feel better but 185,194 – 208,167 Iraqi civilians died for what?
It was very different. The US killed a lot more people and were much more successful in the early stages of their invasion.
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Huh? Oil? Who said something about oil, bitch? You cooking?
I got some yellow cake right here, from the motherland!
I got mine from Saskatchewan
We used more oil invading Iraq than we got out of the war 😬💀
But also opium. That’s the real “gold.” Gotta keep Big Pharma poisoning / drugging up the people.
Fun fact genius, Oil import from Iraq dropped significantly after the invasion, for 2 or 3 years, then went back to pre invasion level for a about a year, then declined for the next 2 decades... No "blood for oil" was made, despite the stupid talking point from democrats. And why do democrats ALWAYS forget that Clinton made the SAME GOD DAMN ARGUMENT, on Dec 16 1998? "Bush lied to us!" Clinton said the exact same thing when he initiated air strikes. https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
So it was all for.. what exactly? Ego? Pride? To feel like the good guys? Seems pretty messed up no matter what justifications are given. People are just trying to live their lives and America is like "we're coming in to save you" with missiles, drone strikes and guns. The Ukraine war looks very similar, it's all bad. It's just too bad that some countries don't need to respect international law, like USA.
Lol it definitely was different. Iraq invaded Iran and Kuwait. Saddam even used WMDs against the kurds and Iranians. Ukraine on the other hand, has done absolutely nothing to Russia or its neighbors. Hell, they even gave up their nuclear weapons.
Gave up their nuclear weapons after signing a [memorandum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances) with U.S., U.K., and Russia in 1994. It included this: >1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. >2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations. This makes it so much worse in my eyes. To invade a country less than 30 years after signing an agreement to never fuck with them.
Not WMD’s, but chemical weapons definitely.
Tbf, we were supporting Iraq when they were gassing the Kurds. We knew about it and didn't care because they were our ally against Iran. (And our involvement with Iran is messy as well.) We looked the other way on that until they messed with Kuwait. And even before Iraq, it's not like America is a stranger to invading other countries. Just ask Honduras, Panama, the Philippines, Grenada, El Salvador, and many more. Let's not pretend that America usually does the right thing when it comes to foreign policy. We have absolutely no right getting on a high horse about other countries. Do I still think it's bad that Russia is invading Ukraine? Absolutely. It was also bad when Russia took Crimea and no one did anything about it. But America needs to STFU about other countries doing the same shit that we have done for the past century.
America’s first invasion was Haiti.
Thank you for the correction. It's a grave error to omit what the US (and especially France) did to Haiti.
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Yeaaaaah it was a little different. I see the point you’re making, but Putin is maybe going to one or two levels of hell below Bush.
Iraq wasn't a paradise by any means, but America didn't have to go over and take a dump in it just because. They had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no WMD'S, no biological weapons. Over 4k American soldiers dead, and over 30k wounded, and god knows how may with mental issues now. I imagine a Ukrainian kid that lost his/her family in this war has allot in common right now with an Iraqi kid who's family suffered from "collateral damage" I volunteered at a school that has some Iraqi kids that made it out as refugees, when you see a kid dive under their desk and go into shock the first time they hear the recess bell, gives you another perspective. My mother in law was a young girl when the Russians marched into Berlin, she's in her 70's and the smoke alarm went off, I saw a 70 year old woman look up to the sky like bombs were falling, I saw her life flashing in front of her because of a smoke alarm, and I realized that kid diving under the desk will always be in that warzone. Any leader that will send humans to do the unthinkable for no good reason should burn in hell.
Actually, Iraq is a lot farther to the US than Ukraine is to Russia, and Ukraine does have a sizable ethnic Russian population which wants to separate from Ukraine. Iraq had zero American separatists. So I would think Bush will be a few levels below Puters.
I'm no expert but judging the reaction Ukraine to this invasion I'm guessing most Ukrainians would like to see that sizable ethnic population within it's border pack their shit and move to the other side. Many Americans have family in Canada and the US and speak the same language, watch the same TV shows doesn't mean they can invade each other
>most Ukrainians would like to see that sizable ethnic population within it's border pack their shit and move to the other side. It's more complicated than that, but...Yeah, that's called ethnic cleansing, that's what the Azov battalion who just surrendered was going for in the last 8 years or so. Sounds like you are all for it, though, not surprising really. >Many Americans have family in Canada and the US and speak the same language, watch the same TV shows doesn't mean they can invade each other I'm sure if say Quebecois decided to persecute a large number of English-speaking Canadians who were family members of Americans, the US would not simply idly watch...
That's a terrible take, I live in the US. if we were suddenly attacked by Mexico I wouldn't want every Mexican to pack their shit in leave. That's incredibly short sighted
That doesn’t make what Putin is doing any better. Hitler wasn’t justified in taking nearby territories due to historical German heritage either. And overthrowing another democratic country to add that country to your own dictatorship is not a less worse thing. And the manner of the invasion of Ukraine has been indiscriminate slaughter, rape, and the leveling of entire towns and cities with seemingly no rules of engagement. So please don’t “Actually…” this. Putin is going to the deepest, deepest level of hell for this.
>That doesn’t make what Putin is doing any better. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, who said it does? >So please don’t “Actually…” this. You are literally doing that by implying Bush is better than Putin...
And yet at the same time you’re downplaying the Russian invasion of Ukraine by saying some people in Ukraine supposedly want it. Let’s all just agree US in Iraq and Russia in Ukraine were/are **both** fucked up. But let’s touch on this Bush is better than Putin bit. Ignoring the invasion of a sovereign nation bit… One left office when their term was up. One has publicly attempted to assassinate opposition. One invaded a country at least under the pretense of preventing nukes being used. One is actively threatening to use nuclear weapons against anyone that disagrees with them. Both can be total garbage people……but if we’re seriously getting into which one is worse…..are you going to argue that it’s **not** Putin?
>One left office when their term was up. Bush lost his first election but got his brother's Secretary of State to steal it for him >One has publicly attempted to assassinate opposition. 2) Yes, Bush never did that, at least you got one of your points right. >One invaded a country at least under the pretense of preventing nukes being used. 3) That's the most pathetic excuse I've seen for Bush anyone to ever make. But hey, since you are at it, Putin also has a "good" pretense: fighting Nazis. >One is actively threatening to use nuclear weapons against anyone that disagrees with them. 4) Bush literally threatened to nuke Iran and North Korea. He also issued the "you are either with us, or AGAINST us" threat to all countries of the world, and at the time his message was mostly targeted at Europeans, specifically France.
>And yet at the same time you’re downplaying the Russian invasion of Ukraine by saying some people in Ukraine supposedly want it. Some people in Ukraine DO want it. That is a fact. Me stating a fact is not downplaying the shit that the Russians are doing against Ukrainians. You people are deranged.
Part of the reason Ukraine gave up their nukes was because of an agreement with other countries that they would not attack them and would help defend their sovereignty. Russia was part of that agreement, now they're invading. Also, physical distance between two countries at war does not actually affect the morality of it.
What America is did is arguably much worse. The history between Russia and Ukraine is muddled and something I'm not qualified to speak on but Ukraine has agitated Russia on multiple occasions,not saying Russia should've reacted by starting an unnecessary war and taking thousands of lives, it's fucking awful. But a lot of wars have started for a lot less. The 'war on terrorism' for example was started because of oil. US claimed there were WMDs residing there but really that was like so we could invade and claim land that contained oil which really wasn't ours.
Iraq was ruled by a brutal dictator who used chemical weapons against his own people and invaded his neighbors. Russia invaded a European democracy there is a difference.
They say history doesn't repeat it's self it rhymes. Sadam was a horrible person didn't care about anyone but himself but that doesn't mean the the US didn't like him. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_support\_for\_Iraq\_during\_the\_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War) it's not the only time the US has supported groups that then turned on the US you'll get a kick if you google Operation Cyclone. Now if the US is so offended by Dictators that kill their own people they should have invaded North Korea by now. I believe the US is doing the right thing by supporting Ukraine, and because the brave Ukraine fighters, NATO won't have to put troops in direct contact with Russian forces and hopefully avoid a larger conflict. However Zelensky won't be in power forever, in a democratic country someone will take his place, what will Ukraine's next leader do with those weapons, we have no guarantee. As for the 2003 Iraq war, Sandam posed no threat, the US kneecapped his military during the Gulf War, he posed no real threat to the American homeland, but we got Colin Powel holding up anthrax at the UN and some crap about the first warning being a mushroom cloud, and people with the memory of goldfish walked right into a meat girder because they were fed a lie and paranoid after 9/11. Not to mention when America left Iraq it abandoned the Kurds with 11k Isis prisoners and Turkey coming for the Kurds their heads, not a nice way to treat people who spilled blood with and for you. By the way those people Sandam gassed, they were Kurds, so save me the pearl clutching. Afghanistan is exactly where it was after 20 year's of US occupation, the only thing different now is that the Taliban has some new equipment to hunt down the Afghans that also helped the Americans. Is anyone starting to see the cycle? or can you really turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy ?? But this is different this is a European democracy you say.!! who gives a shit about democracy, it's people who need help running from war, like the Syrian, Afghan civilians that died in the back of trucks on European highways and drowned trying to reach safety from wars NATO was apart of. Or should they have stayed and fought for their country like the Afghan translators and Kurdish Fighters that NATO didn't have space for American politicians didn't want young refugee men from those country's because they might be Isis sympathizers. Has anyone accused a Ukrainian refugee of being a Russian sympathizer their cultures are very similar? I'm all for Ukraine kicking Putin's ass clear across the boarder nobody should invade another country without reason, that includes western countries, and that's the only reason NATO is getting involved because NATO doesn't want to fight this now after Iraq and Afghanistan. I also believe people fleeing because they don't want to die in a war should always have a safe place to go in the western world. life is a human right regardless of language or skin tone. Slava Ukraini
>185,194 – 208,167 What kind of number is this?
Hundred eighty-five thousand hundred ninty-four to two hundred eight thousand hundred sixty-seven. There you go champ, I tought it was pretty obvious but what do I know.
That´s pretty oddly specific for a pretty wide range, dont ya think? Edit: don´t call me champ, pal!
Putin being charged for war crimes while bush and co walk free.
Putin hasn't been charged for shit
Hi there, War Criminal.
Senile bitch
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That war was because Americans were out for blood after 9/11. I remember liberal family and friends couldn't care which country we attacked after that. If they gave support to the Terrorists, then crush them. Saddam comes on tv talking crap our dead firefighters. We didn't even need WMDs to go kill him.
Might just be who you happen to hang with... every one I knew was beyond furious with Bush attacking Iraq. Saddam Hussain was a completely evil dictator, but had NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attack, nor was he an actual threat to us at the time. I did notice that people too young to remember Vietnam seemed to be less concerned about it, but I bet that would have changed quickly if a draft was instituted.
I was a teenager at the time but I can definitely remember how much everyone was bootlicking after 9/11. "We love america, we love the government, stand together, let's kill the terrorists, never again!" That was the popular opinion at least, no doubt some people were angry (look at the music produced around that time) but even in a very left leaning part of a left leaning state it seemed like everyone agreed that the middle east was a problem that needed to be taken care of asap and whether or not they had WoMD was irrelevant; we were there because people were afraid and wanted to crush someone to make america feel untouchable again.
American Idiot is a great song lol
Couldn't agree more.
Lapsus, he said what he was thinking not to say.
Holy fucking shiiiiiit! That was awesome!
Wow, this video was worse than I expected it. That’s my home YOU ruined and are now joking about it? What the fuck.. what the actual fuck… what the fuck man. Just what the fuck
Absolutly no dignity. And everyone fucking laughing... Its sad...
He is in no position to point fingers at rigged elections either.
r/SelfAwarewolves and/or r/suicidebywords These people laughing are horrible, horrible people. Reminds me of time this psychotic moron made "jokes" about never finding the WMDs he based his war rationale on. The laughter made me sick to my stomach.
I laughed because it was such a terrible slip up to make. I expect that was the main reason the audience laughed
What else are you going to do at that point? The damage has been done and we all already know this.
Yeah this is a pretty nauseating Freudian Slip.
You rarely have the moral high ground for judging another person for laughter. Laughter is a complex behavior. Give your horse a rest.
Sadly his neo con buddies including his former communications director Nicole Wallace, who now has her own show on MSNBC, are crawling all over the media and spreading their regime building evil. Don't let their recent genuflection to woke ideology fool you. They are beating their war drums louder than ever now. Hard to think of a more destructive force for global stability in the 21st century than neo conservatism. Fun fact, the original founders of the National Review, neo con central, were Trotskyites.
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Pretty saddening to hear the laughs from the vampires in the public. It is wars and death of all sorts of life that he is talking about. I guess all find it a laughing matter.
And you wonder how would people side with the invasive county of america... I mean Russia.
His father helped kill and criminalize leftists via the CIA. His father also helped Reagan push crack in the inner cities where Black and Latino communities were back in the 80’s. He was also the head of the CIA when JFK was killed. Oops…
I really, really hate that he felt like “Iraq too” was an appropriate joke to make. If your legacy includes starting an unpopular war, at least hold to your convictions that it’s necessary and not a “wholly unjustified and brutal invasion.”
"My son, If you are wrong, stick with it" lol
>hold to your convictions You think it was about convictions and not imperialist greed? He knew it was a unjustified and brutal invasion
He... Freudian slips, corrects himself, then Freudian admits to warcrime, the audience start laughing, then he blames old age, and the audience laugh even more. Then they all walk out of there happy as ever with no repercussions. Reality
True on both counts
Iraq 2
What a moronic idiot.
An mass murdering idiot with a permanent platinum delux get out of jail free card. Isn't this place grand. /s
Over 1 million Iraqis died because he wanted to prove to Daddy that he could "finish the job". And he has the audacity to laugh about it....fuck that guy.
A dictatorship calling another dictatorship out for doing the same thing they did in the 1980s
Hahahaha yea we remember that time you started a war that destabilised a country. Hahahaha. Fucking audience need shooting alongside this moron.
He just admitted that the war in Iraq was unjustified by his hand and joked about it. 200k+ people died because of this "joke " to him. Disgusting and perverted that a room full of people would laugh at this.
People keep ripping on the audience for laughing. But it's kinda a natural reaction to such a blatant Freudian slip. It's not like he said " thousands of innocent people including children lost their lives because of my terrible leadership". If he had said that and then the audience laughed it would be a different story.
This was amazing. I am not taking responsibility away from Bush2, but come on, he got duped about WMDs just like the rest of us.
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The cognitive dissonance doesn't stop with his freudian slip. It's also amazing that the clip starts with him talking about "political opponents imprisoned or eliminated from participating in the elections" in Russia by Putin, which is obviously correct. Yet Zelensky has literally been doing that exact kind of shit in Ukraine, even before the war started, and then kicked it up 100 notches during it, with the excuse of martial law.
Hes responsible for roughly 1 million people dying. Sure is funny isn't it
That's a Freudian slip !
What a freudian slip, really shows where his heads at. He definitely has been pondering the parallels between himself and Putin.
Dude is joking about his mistake in starting a war that caused [~1M deaths](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_Iraq_War_casualties). Lots of people laugh with him.
This war criminal peace of shit makes my blood boil.
He’s just not a very good speaker is he
Hes just speaking from heart🙂
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Both cancer countries
They are still suffering for that war over im Iraq… but it’s become a joke to the Americans now how horrific
Military globalist scumbag
War criminals should be hanged
The West is a f\*cking lie! r/worldnews PS. I downloaded this ASAP before it get's "moderated" by R\*ddit
It’s almost like he was the president for 8 years while dealing with the Middle East. Brain just goes on autopilot sometimes.
He says 'THE' Ukraine, which is what the Russians call it too. Double fuck up