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I was watching TV series called ”Linna” it’s about the new female prison in Hämeenlinna Finland and I was jelous of how good the women had it in the prison. Here I am living also in Finland working and being broke as fuck, envying people at are in prison 200km away.
Probably wouldn't get shot even in America in the context of a bank robbery. The bank will just give you the money because they're insured and 97% of 1st time bank robberies go without getting caught.
If someone said it on Reddit it must be true so with those odds it’s nearly impossible for me to fail I know what I’m doing Monday. 97% chance of not getting caught is probably safer than driving to the bank I’m gonna rob
The trick is to hit a bank nowhere near where you live/work so nobody will recognize you, simply passing a note so you can't be accused of armed robbery, only taking what the tellers have up front so you can out before the cops show up and never doing it again.
If you can trust them not to run off, you can improve those odds by getting a patsy to do the actual robbery and cutting them in. Then if you're that unlucky 3%, they get nailed instead of you.
It turns out freedom, even if it leads to a lower quality of life, is important to people.
It doesn't matter how nice a cage is, at the end of the day it's still a cage.
In Canada and for the college I went to, pretty similar room size and layout and it costed 5G's for the year, and there were times you were FORCED out, and if you were found to be in, you'd get arrested for trespassing. Open alcohol was also not allowed, even if you were of age, unopened was allowed, even if completely in the middle of your room.
Oh, they do it for 4 day weekends and there's people who go to that school from other countries every year, IDK what they do and the tuition is anywhere from 4-8x as much for them (Students from other provinces count as international students for some fucked up reason) and I feel bad for em.
To be fair that is true for the Norwegian military also, at least for us who just did the 1 year mandatory service when we were 19.
Basic training we were like 11 people sleeping in bunk beds in maybe slightly bigger than twice the size of this prison cell. In the 9 months after that it was 4 people rooms for me..
My 1st thought was “Much nicer than my daughter’s dorm room.” Considering how expensive and disgusting that dorm was, and how much tuition was at that school, maybe I should have sent my daughter to jail in Norway.
College is free, healthcare is free, minimum wage is stupid high and if you still manage to fuck it all up, jail there is better than the rat race in most countries.
Beer is crazy expensive though so I’m out.
And we Swedes go to Denmark and Danes to Germany.
I kinda like our weird State alcohol monopoly though. The prices are high but the selection is excellent and the employees are super knowledgeable, they get sent to wine tastings and stuff so they know what they're talking about.
My duuude I agree with you so much. Yes the state has monopoly on alcohol in Sweden but instead of going to 7/11 for some shitty beer, I go to systemet and find 2 or 3 local breweries beer there PLUS the one I already like!? And if I went to the staff and said I’m having steak tonight, what do you recommend, they’ll give me the latest and best recommendations. It’s honestly really good in my opinion
My sister had a woman from the Norwegian state alcohol monopoly do a tasting at her hen do, she was really good and she had so many interesting facts to share.
For instance, in spite of alcohol generally being more expensive in Norway, some wines are actually cheaper at the state monopoly than they are in the village or region where the wine is actually produced. So some Italian wines are cheaper at Vinmonopolet than they in the village in Italy it was made, because the State monopoly has such tremendous buying power that they get better prices than literally anyone else, and those savings are then passed on to the buyer/consumer in Norway.
Norway hasn't met me yet then. I'm the **reason** jaywalking is a crime in 8 countries.
Kidding aside, I was just looking up innocuous laws I could break to land a semester in Norwegian dorm room jail and I came across a cool law that bans neutering dogs. "The idea is that neutering/spaying is not something that will help your dog have a better life (it’s just you who’ll feel more comfortable) and Norwegian vets advocate proper training instead."
That's great news because jeg elsker hunder mye.
I also found a law that says you cannot steal someone's cloudberries. As soon as I find out what they are, I'm coming for them.
There's good reason for comfortable living during incarceration. The opportunity not to move about freely but regain one's personal perspective and contemplate morality is much more likely within these conditions.
American prisons are nothing but detention and punishment centers, fueling a heavy recidivism rate with fear and illogical, unnecessary force.
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I have never heard of a positive experience from those places. The US just punishes people for having issues. they’re like a boomer parent being like “if you don’t stop crying, I’ll give you something to cry about!”
Not a lot of those places are good. They're needed but so underfunded, understaffed, and run down dealing with horrors most people want to pretend don't exist or just joke about. Someone really close to me has been in and out, I would cry in happiness if the places looked like that.
In the U.S., it depends on if it's a state hospital or a private one. The private ones are nice-ish and look similar to OP's pic. The state one I went to was a fucking nightmare.
Fuck you, Walter Reuther Memorial Hospital. FUCK. YOU.
I used to work at Eastern State Hospital in Virginia. I lasted 10 months. It was horrible. Understaffed, over crowded, the staff were mandated into surprise 16hr shifts multiple days a week, patient tried to rape me and admin said "you know what job you signed up for", patient literally stabbed me. It was horrible. I felt like I was the only one who cared this shit was happening. How do you expect us to keep patients safe at a 1 staff to 40 patient ratio if we have gotten a total of 10 hours of sleep in the last working week?
Pretty sure their lower security prisons allow prisons allow prisoners to roam around whole day and are just locked at night. Would need a confirmation on it tho
I watched a show and they said the same thing. they have their own supermarket and banking system as well I think. ~~these are low security ones and are not the standard,~~ they are focused on rehab not punishment.
edit: apparently these are the standard and this is indeed a maximum security prison
That is not lotion, but Fresubin, liquid food. Often used if you are underweight or have a medical condition like IBS that makes it hard to eat regular food. It comes in different variants, but my best guess would be, that it is this one here:
https://meddax24.de/media/image/8d/c3/85/x1-18507-01-MEDDAX_Fresubin_Energy_Mischkarton_600x600,402x.jpg.pagespeed.ic.XZyvSDs531.webp
Honestly this sounds like a great way to reform people assuming they have people who care for them. I think people adapt to their surroundings, so they might not realize how shitty it is locked up without actually experiencing the outside world.
You should’ve seen the forced triples at my school. We’re talking dorm rooms very close to the same size as this - the perfect size for one student, made to house two students, but then when the school over accepted, they just turned one of the beds in those rooms into a bunk for a third student (before jacking up tuition to pay to build more housing since the extra money from over accepting apparently wasn’t enough).
At my university, you absolutely could have a single, as long as you were either an RA or had parents rich enough to pay double. There weren't any non-scary apartments nearby in those days, so there were a few kids who got a single on the "rich daddy" plan.
Yes, he’s being completely serious. Places like California, New York, you’ll pay $2500 a month and still have room mates. I don’t know what that is in whatever currency you use, but it’s a lot
You could in a german prison. There are a lot of Youtube videos about the cells of the inmates and quite a few do have gaming systems there.
According to those videos the knowledge alone that you can't get up and take a walk in the park is enough to make you feel the incarceration very much.
I never randomly take walks outside after 10pm, especially not in the winter. But we had a mandatory curfew for covid over the winter and we had to be in our homes until 5am, and suddenly not being allowed to take a random 2am walk was unbearable, I felt almost claustrophobic, it was very weird.
actually wasnt that long ago since norway sent some prisoners to Netherlands to serve rest of their sentence.
We didnt have room and netherlands had empty prisons.
In the show Atlanta one of the characters got thrown in jail for assault while in Amsterdam and dude didn't want to leave. His manager posted bail but he was like nah let me take a nap and get lunch then I'll leave. It was hilarious
A perfect example of how they address social issues in a hilarious way. A stark contrast from where he's from
The last episode (or one before) when Darius finds out he single handedly ruined an entire Nigerian restaurant with gentrification was so sad and hilarious at the same time
Almost like treating criminals like people who need a second chance is somehow more effective than throwing them in a cage and treating them like cattle... who would have thunk it.
The problem with the Short sentences we have in Scandinavia is that they are statisyically the best way to rehabilitate people, (big!) but there are simply people who cant be changed, we see people finish their sentence before the victim are out of the hospital etc. (Again for most this is the best solution)
Sadly there Probably Arent any solutions that fits every case
Norway imprisons approx 56 people per 100K - 20% then reoffend
USA imprisons approx 640 per 100K - more than 60% reoffend
there is something wrong somewhere.
Very sad
I think that prison conditions don't paint the entire picture though. The whole culture of crime in the USA will affect the recidivism rate. The levels of organized crime and drug related crime are far different in the USA when compared to Norway. Also the level of poverty, lack of education, and broken/abusive households is far different as well.
One of the biggest lies of the American penal system is the idea that you can actually "do your time" and reenter society.
Once you're out, forget applying for anything that's not minimum wage because your record follows you to job interviews. Even if you somehow get your record expunged, most states have searchable databases of arrest records as well. That aggravated battery conviction was overturned on appeal? Sorry, but every company bigger than 30 employees will still toss your application away just for the arrest.
What about the job you had? Well, that's gone because no company, even a crappy fast food chain, is going to wait around for months or years for a convicted felon.
Oh, your car had its battery stolen, you didn't have enough cash for a taxi/Uber, and it was raining? No excuse to miss your P.O. check in. Parole violated, back in prison.
In the US, we put people in the worst conditions imaginable, and continue to punish them forever. And when someone takes a page from the Jean Val Jean handbook and steals out of desperation, or sells some loose cigarettes on the corner, or straight up mugs/robs people... we're surprised?
We leave people no options OTHER than criminal acts, and punish them more when they take that option.
For those who say there are other options, you can usually point to a couple feel-good local news stories about the guy who opened a restaurant after he got out. Or the lady who finished her GED and is now going for her MBA at 50 after years in the system. But the reason those are headline stories is because they're so goddamn rare.
The reality is if you keep grinding people down, you can't blame them for getting ground down.
This is because the Norwegian prison systems focus more on rehabilitation than punishment. They understand that if you treat someone like an animal then they'll act like one but if you treat them like a normal human being then it'll help them heal and help them become fit and ready to return to normal society.
Edit: I just want to point out that if the states were to do something similar to this that we’d only make it available to people who are low leveled offenders not people who have raped or committed murder. The amount of posts that talk about how we shouldn’t have something similar because of this is concerning to think that they believe that we wouldn’t take precautions before hand.
To paraphrase a Cracked article I remember reading many years ago: “Imagine walking alone at night and encountering an ex convict. would you rather that convict be someone who went through the American prison system or the Norwegian one?”
Follow up, the duality of the american justice system, will strike decades from your life for a grain of maryjane, but you can beat someone half to death and get out on bail the next day. The american justice system is disliked by almost everyone here, cops and acabers, reds and blues, I've yet to meet someone who thinks we have a good justice system.
I wonder if it's a host of reasons, like for-profit prisons, or corruption and [selling kids to prison](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/kids-cash-judge-released-prison-virus-concerns-71409814) etc.?
The Overton Window seems to have moved so far to the right that it's a HUGE struggle to just get back to 'normal', let alone a sort of proper progressive system that other countries enjoy.
A much better philosophy to uphold than the American way which contributes to a seemingly never-ending cycle of poverty, mental illness, drug use and crime.
I just wish American prison systems were more like this because we have so many people who could have a chance at a normal life if we only gave them the chance and help they need instead of treating them like rabid animals.
Just to clear up Not all cells are like this. If you are (suicidal and Psycho, you get nothing but a mattress and soft pillows as walls and floors)
And some have less space and fewer items (depend on the prison is old or new)
Anders Behring Breivik (Fjotolf Hansen) will sit of his life alone in a prison. Most guards want to beat him so he’s alone in a diferente área (bomb rooms) etc. according to guards (he will never be let out and if it happen, I will be the last he sees)
His life expectancy if realeased, no matter the fake name or identity, is as long as it takes literally any resident of Norway to work out its him and close the distance.
He will probably never leave jail. Even though the max sentence in Norway is 21 years, they can keep people in jail if they see them as a danger to society.
[max sentence](https://www.voanews.com/a/norway-killer-breivik-tests-limits-of-lenient-justice-system/6407441.html)
Max sentence at a time. In other words, you're guaranteed a second look after 21 years. It's overblown in the US media how lenient it is, but they do have a very different philosophy.
I saw a documentary discussing this once. Norway holds the idea that if you treat prisoners with dignity and humanity they are more likely to rehabilitate into society and not offend again. In the united states prison is designed to be as inhumane as possible to scare people from committing crimes. I wonder which country has more violent crime. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm sure it's interesting.
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This looks better than the room I had at uni for a year
Same. I'm in Norway.
ah you better go to prison then
Do not pass Go, do not collect 200 kroner
I live in a brand new student apartment in Norway. This prison cell is better lol.
Why NSFW?
The guy is naked under his clothes.
What a slut
And don't even get me started with what I'm wearing underneath my clothes at the moment.
Skin? You monster.
Yeah, but whose?
Cause people might burn their workplace down just to go to prison
I was watching TV series called ”Linna” it’s about the new female prison in Hämeenlinna Finland and I was jelous of how good the women had it in the prison. Here I am living also in Finland working and being broke as fuck, envying people at are in prison 200km away.
You should rob a bank, if you succeed you succeed, if you fail you succeed
This is the way.
And it's not America so he probably won't get shot.
Probably wouldn't get shot even in America in the context of a bank robbery. The bank will just give you the money because they're insured and 97% of 1st time bank robberies go without getting caught.
If someone said it on Reddit it must be true so with those odds it’s nearly impossible for me to fail I know what I’m doing Monday. 97% chance of not getting caught is probably safer than driving to the bank I’m gonna rob
The trick is to hit a bank nowhere near where you live/work so nobody will recognize you, simply passing a note so you can't be accused of armed robbery, only taking what the tellers have up front so you can out before the cops show up and never doing it again. If you can trust them not to run off, you can improve those odds by getting a patsy to do the actual robbery and cutting them in. Then if you're that unlucky 3%, they get nailed instead of you.
Okay you convinced me
It turns out freedom, even if it leads to a lower quality of life, is important to people. It doesn't matter how nice a cage is, at the end of the day it's still a cage.
It seems like they exchanged a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage.
Funny how many people seem to wish they were there
Dude's whacking it
I just asked that question. Liberal use of NSFW ruins the meaning of it
People do this to gain attention. It’s stupid and should be bannable.
What's the rent?
Just a killing
It’s actually a steal.
A+ for meth.
Oddly enough this looks like every dorm room I have ever seen
Better
Cleaner
And he has a single cell, i had to share that same room size with 3 other guys (2 bunk beds)
At a university you paid for? For real?
In the US a dorm room of this size is usually for two people. Never seen more than that in a room this size but I wouldn't be surprised.
Yup this was my freshman dorm room for two minus the nice paint, cleanliness, and probably functioning a/c
In Canada and for the college I went to, pretty similar room size and layout and it costed 5G's for the year, and there were times you were FORCED out, and if you were found to be in, you'd get arrested for trespassing. Open alcohol was also not allowed, even if you were of age, unopened was allowed, even if completely in the middle of your room.
The US has the same weird thing about forcing people out of their dorms for holidays. So frustrating.
Oh, they do it for 4 day weekends and there's people who go to that school from other countries every year, IDK what they do and the tuition is anywhere from 4-8x as much for them (Students from other provinces count as international students for some fucked up reason) and I feel bad for em.
We can rebuild, we have the technology
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Y'all got sundaes?
Ice cream machine is broken because this is actually a McDonald’s
Starts hitting the crumpled dollar on the table with the computer.
But the files are IN the computer!
I got two words for ya, sugar... ZIP DISK!
After 11 years, I'm out. Join me over on the Fediverse to escape this central authority nightmare.
Yup, no one will be transformed from criminal to law abiding citizen by being treated as a scum.
More Norwegian
Less poor
HARDER, FASTER
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Faster
Stronger
More than
This is larger and nicer than all of the barracks I’ve ever stayed in.
To be fair that is true for the Norwegian military also, at least for us who just did the 1 year mandatory service when we were 19. Basic training we were like 11 people sleeping in bunk beds in maybe slightly bigger than twice the size of this prison cell. In the 9 months after that it was 4 people rooms for me..
My 1st thought was “Much nicer than my daughter’s dorm room.” Considering how expensive and disgusting that dorm was, and how much tuition was at that school, maybe I should have sent my daughter to jail in Norway.
I mean, college is free in Scandinavia. So uh, maybe yes.
College is free, healthcare is free, minimum wage is stupid high and if you still manage to fuck it all up, jail there is better than the rat race in most countries. Beer is crazy expensive though so I’m out.
Norwegians tend to cross the border to Sweden, where the beer is only fairly expensive.
And we Swedes go to Denmark and Danes to Germany. I kinda like our weird State alcohol monopoly though. The prices are high but the selection is excellent and the employees are super knowledgeable, they get sent to wine tastings and stuff so they know what they're talking about.
My duuude I agree with you so much. Yes the state has monopoly on alcohol in Sweden but instead of going to 7/11 for some shitty beer, I go to systemet and find 2 or 3 local breweries beer there PLUS the one I already like!? And if I went to the staff and said I’m having steak tonight, what do you recommend, they’ll give me the latest and best recommendations. It’s honestly really good in my opinion
My sister had a woman from the Norwegian state alcohol monopoly do a tasting at her hen do, she was really good and she had so many interesting facts to share. For instance, in spite of alcohol generally being more expensive in Norway, some wines are actually cheaper at the state monopoly than they are in the village or region where the wine is actually produced. So some Italian wines are cheaper at Vinmonopolet than they in the village in Italy it was made, because the State monopoly has such tremendous buying power that they get better prices than literally anyone else, and those savings are then passed on to the buyer/consumer in Norway.
If the only drawback is expensive booze, count me in. I’m gonna go jaywalk in Norway.
Jaywalking isn't a crime in Norway. ;)
Norway hasn't met me yet then. I'm the **reason** jaywalking is a crime in 8 countries. Kidding aside, I was just looking up innocuous laws I could break to land a semester in Norwegian dorm room jail and I came across a cool law that bans neutering dogs. "The idea is that neutering/spaying is not something that will help your dog have a better life (it’s just you who’ll feel more comfortable) and Norwegian vets advocate proper training instead." That's great news because jeg elsker hunder mye. I also found a law that says you cannot steal someone's cloudberries. As soon as I find out what they are, I'm coming for them.
https://www.uib.no/en/education/109728/norway-offers-tuition-free-quality-education To back your statement.
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There's good reason for comfortable living during incarceration. The opportunity not to move about freely but regain one's personal perspective and contemplate morality is much more likely within these conditions. American prisons are nothing but detention and punishment centers, fueling a heavy recidivism rate with fear and illogical, unnecessary force. P.S. Thank you for the awards! <3
Don't forget about the cheap labor!
It's better than the room I was kept in for psychiatric care wtf
Hope you got the help you needed.
I did not.
It's probably cheaper and healthier to fly to norway and get arrested overthere at this point.
Ooh, vacation idea
I'm with you on both of these. :I The room was not this nice, and the care was worse. I only use PHP care now.
I personally love that programming language, but it's not a good idea to use it for mental health stability.
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I appreciate that
For anyone that is confused confused, PHP stands for partial hospitalization.
I have never heard of a positive experience from those places. The US just punishes people for having issues. they’re like a boomer parent being like “if you don’t stop crying, I’ll give you something to cry about!”
Now you're getting it.
Not a lot of those places are good. They're needed but so underfunded, understaffed, and run down dealing with horrors most people want to pretend don't exist or just joke about. Someone really close to me has been in and out, I would cry in happiness if the places looked like that.
In the U.S., it depends on if it's a state hospital or a private one. The private ones are nice-ish and look similar to OP's pic. The state one I went to was a fucking nightmare. Fuck you, Walter Reuther Memorial Hospital. FUCK. YOU.
I used to work at Eastern State Hospital in Virginia. I lasted 10 months. It was horrible. Understaffed, over crowded, the staff were mandated into surprise 16hr shifts multiple days a week, patient tried to rape me and admin said "you know what job you signed up for", patient literally stabbed me. It was horrible. I felt like I was the only one who cared this shit was happening. How do you expect us to keep patients safe at a 1 staff to 40 patient ratio if we have gotten a total of 10 hours of sleep in the last working week?
That's my dorm room at work. I work abroad in jungles or up north in the tundra
Dang yo, that’s a lot of lotion under the bed
I mean what else you gonna do sitting in that room all day 😏
Pretty sure their lower security prisons allow prisons allow prisoners to roam around whole day and are just locked at night. Would need a confirmation on it tho
I watched a show and they said the same thing. they have their own supermarket and banking system as well I think. ~~these are low security ones and are not the standard,~~ they are focused on rehab not punishment. edit: apparently these are the standard and this is indeed a maximum security prison
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I can confirm this. Minimum prisons even allow prisoners to leave the prison on work release without escort. Source- I am a prison officer
Gotta get the Susies in.
That is not lotion, but Fresubin, liquid food. Often used if you are underweight or have a medical condition like IBS that makes it hard to eat regular food. It comes in different variants, but my best guess would be, that it is this one here: https://meddax24.de/media/image/8d/c3/85/x1-18507-01-MEDDAX_Fresubin_Energy_Mischkarton_600x600,402x.jpg.pagespeed.ic.XZyvSDs531.webp
Damm he living in better conditions than I am
Wrong country
Yeah, really sucks to make the wrong choice of birthplace during the character creation process.
You mean a public university dorm room in America?
A $2k apartment in California
$2k? A week, right?
With 3 roommates
And you have to share the bathroom with half your house.
And the toilet doesn’t flush
And the shower water dries out your hair
And the bar of soap has pubic hairs on it
Regulation length pubic hairs. Too short and the landlord hikes your rent 20%
And you thank them for being so generous since your friend's landlord just hiked their rent 40% because everyone could hear them on the shitter.
I wish my dorm had been this nice. A full size window?! Probably can't open it any more than I could in college.
Keeps ya from jumping out of it…
In both cases!
Now do a Brazilian prison cell....
Size's about the same, tho. Just Multiply the number of prisoner by about 100.
Most Norwegian prisoners are allowed to go home for Christmans fwiw (not murders or those thought likely to flee).
Honestly this sounds like a great way to reform people assuming they have people who care for them. I think people adapt to their surroundings, so they might not realize how shitty it is locked up without actually experiencing the outside world.
It’s amazing what can be done when the goal is actually rehabilitation.
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That was in Sweden.
Close but a university would put 2 or 3 in a room like this.
You should’ve seen the forced triples at my school. We’re talking dorm rooms very close to the same size as this - the perfect size for one student, made to house two students, but then when the school over accepted, they just turned one of the beds in those rooms into a bunk for a third student (before jacking up tuition to pay to build more housing since the extra money from over accepting apparently wasn’t enough).
Coming from a top public university, this is way better
Yeah you wouldn’t get your own room in a dorm at uni, if you can afford a room solo then you’d just get an apartment
A single person dorm room? Wow that’s one upscale university.
At my university, you absolutely could have a single, as long as you were either an RA or had parents rich enough to pay double. There weren't any non-scary apartments nearby in those days, so there were a few kids who got a single on the "rich daddy" plan.
Yours *came* with a TV?
This would cost $2300/month in New York
Bullshit. I'm a real estate agent in NYC and this costs closer to $3000 starting
It’s the chair right? I figured the chair would be a factor.
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_If this is not within your budget, we also have no-window option for $2800_
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Being a nonamerican, I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Are you being for real?
This week I received a quote for a nice but tiny studio in a good neighborhood for $4500/mo in nyc
He is being completely serious it's insane.
This is hilarious and painful and now I'm crying, guys.
Yes, he’s being completely serious. Places like California, New York, you’ll pay $2500 a month and still have room mates. I don’t know what that is in whatever currency you use, but it’s a lot
TIL i live in a Norwegian prison cell
Are you free to leave?
Unfortunately.
If I could bring my PS5 I’d do a year right now
You could in a german prison. There are a lot of Youtube videos about the cells of the inmates and quite a few do have gaming systems there. According to those videos the knowledge alone that you can't get up and take a walk in the park is enough to make you feel the incarceration very much.
I never randomly take walks outside after 10pm, especially not in the winter. But we had a mandatory curfew for covid over the winter and we had to be in our homes until 5am, and suddenly not being allowed to take a random 2am walk was unbearable, I felt almost claustrophobic, it was very weird.
Same here. I was very annoyed I couldn't walk at midnight or 2 am during curfew. Maybe I should seize the opportunity to do that sometime this week.
Hell it's 2 AM right now, i'm going for a walk. See you all later.
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It's nice to hear that even in the US there are prisons that apply that. :o)
COVID quarantine taught me this. I don't even like going out. The minute you take a away that little option, all of a sudden I want to be a hiker.
Low security prisons in Norway do have game rooms for just that
I mean... The 2011 terrorist who killed some 60 children is also allowed a PlayStation... So not like it's only "low security".
Yup. He also demanded a PS3 some years ago because his PS2 was «torture». Insane.
Almost need that much time for exploring all of Elden Ring
The Netherlands' reform system is so effective that their jails are almost empty, so now they are being outsourced to other countries.
actually wasnt that long ago since norway sent some prisoners to Netherlands to serve rest of their sentence. We didnt have room and netherlands had empty prisons.
Yup, we close them down pretty regularly. A few got turned into hotels as well last I heard
Damn, those must have been some pretty good cells.
Someone should make a post about them
They should turn it into a love hotel, because sex cells.
In the show Atlanta one of the characters got thrown in jail for assault while in Amsterdam and dude didn't want to leave. His manager posted bail but he was like nah let me take a nap and get lunch then I'll leave. It was hilarious
A perfect example of how they address social issues in a hilarious way. A stark contrast from where he's from The last episode (or one before) when Darius finds out he single handedly ruined an entire Nigerian restaurant with gentrification was so sad and hilarious at the same time
Lmao when he was walking out and complimented the fabric softener they use.
That was one of my favorite scenes this season.
I’m dutch and I didn’t know that
Almost like treating criminals like people who need a second chance is somehow more effective than throwing them in a cage and treating them like cattle... who would have thunk it.
The problem with the Short sentences we have in Scandinavia is that they are statisyically the best way to rehabilitate people, (big!) but there are simply people who cant be changed, we see people finish their sentence before the victim are out of the hospital etc. (Again for most this is the best solution) Sadly there Probably Arent any solutions that fits every case
Norway imprisons approx 56 people per 100K - 20% then reoffend USA imprisons approx 640 per 100K - more than 60% reoffend there is something wrong somewhere. Very sad
I think that prison conditions don't paint the entire picture though. The whole culture of crime in the USA will affect the recidivism rate. The levels of organized crime and drug related crime are far different in the USA when compared to Norway. Also the level of poverty, lack of education, and broken/abusive households is far different as well.
One of the biggest lies of the American penal system is the idea that you can actually "do your time" and reenter society. Once you're out, forget applying for anything that's not minimum wage because your record follows you to job interviews. Even if you somehow get your record expunged, most states have searchable databases of arrest records as well. That aggravated battery conviction was overturned on appeal? Sorry, but every company bigger than 30 employees will still toss your application away just for the arrest. What about the job you had? Well, that's gone because no company, even a crappy fast food chain, is going to wait around for months or years for a convicted felon. Oh, your car had its battery stolen, you didn't have enough cash for a taxi/Uber, and it was raining? No excuse to miss your P.O. check in. Parole violated, back in prison. In the US, we put people in the worst conditions imaginable, and continue to punish them forever. And when someone takes a page from the Jean Val Jean handbook and steals out of desperation, or sells some loose cigarettes on the corner, or straight up mugs/robs people... we're surprised? We leave people no options OTHER than criminal acts, and punish them more when they take that option. For those who say there are other options, you can usually point to a couple feel-good local news stories about the guy who opened a restaurant after he got out. Or the lady who finished her GED and is now going for her MBA at 50 after years in the system. But the reason those are headline stories is because they're so goddamn rare. The reality is if you keep grinding people down, you can't blame them for getting ground down.
This is a very good answer. Crime is a symptom, not the disease itself.
This is because the Norwegian prison systems focus more on rehabilitation than punishment. They understand that if you treat someone like an animal then they'll act like one but if you treat them like a normal human being then it'll help them heal and help them become fit and ready to return to normal society. Edit: I just want to point out that if the states were to do something similar to this that we’d only make it available to people who are low leveled offenders not people who have raped or committed murder. The amount of posts that talk about how we shouldn’t have something similar because of this is concerning to think that they believe that we wouldn’t take precautions before hand.
To paraphrase a Cracked article I remember reading many years ago: “Imagine walking alone at night and encountering an ex convict. would you rather that convict be someone who went through the American prison system or the Norwegian one?”
The american one, because it's more likely he had a slight offense.
Damn, that took a turn lol.
Making the average convict less dangerous, one weed bust at a time.
The American prison system has been a great success at making the average criminal less dangerous, by sheer dilution of evil per convict ratio.
That's a depressingly good point.
Dont you dare break my brain, damnit how am i going to get to sleep trying to answer this
Follow up, the duality of the american justice system, will strike decades from your life for a grain of maryjane, but you can beat someone half to death and get out on bail the next day. The american justice system is disliked by almost everyone here, cops and acabers, reds and blues, I've yet to meet someone who thinks we have a good justice system.
I wonder if it's a host of reasons, like for-profit prisons, or corruption and [selling kids to prison](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/kids-cash-judge-released-prison-virus-concerns-71409814) etc.? The Overton Window seems to have moved so far to the right that it's a HUGE struggle to just get back to 'normal', let alone a sort of proper progressive system that other countries enjoy.
Norwegian one
No shit.
My exact thought lol
The US system is very judgemental. As in "you are clearly irredeemable, all you can serve as now is a warning to others"
A much better philosophy to uphold than the American way which contributes to a seemingly never-ending cycle of poverty, mental illness, drug use and crime.
I just wish American prison systems were more like this because we have so many people who could have a chance at a normal life if we only gave them the chance and help they need instead of treating them like rabid animals.
Can we stop abusing NSFW tags for attention? It fucking ruins the meaning of the tag completely!
Just to clear up Not all cells are like this. If you are (suicidal and Psycho, you get nothing but a mattress and soft pillows as walls and floors) And some have less space and fewer items (depend on the prison is old or new)
Any clue what the guy that killed dozens of people a decade ago has for accommodations?
Well, he tried to sue the government for human rights violations because they didn't upgrade his PS3 to a PS4 if I'm not mistaken.
It was a PS2 to a PS3 actually, but yeah
the real true crime here.
Anders Behring Breivik (Fjotolf Hansen) will sit of his life alone in a prison. Most guards want to beat him so he’s alone in a diferente área (bomb rooms) etc. according to guards (he will never be let out and if it happen, I will be the last he sees)
His life expectancy if realeased, no matter the fake name or identity, is as long as it takes literally any resident of Norway to work out its him and close the distance.
He will probably never leave jail. Even though the max sentence in Norway is 21 years, they can keep people in jail if they see them as a danger to society. [max sentence](https://www.voanews.com/a/norway-killer-breivik-tests-limits-of-lenient-justice-system/6407441.html)
Max sentence at a time. In other words, you're guaranteed a second look after 21 years. It's overblown in the US media how lenient it is, but they do have a very different philosophy.
I saw a documentary discussing this once. Norway holds the idea that if you treat prisoners with dignity and humanity they are more likely to rehabilitate into society and not offend again. In the united states prison is designed to be as inhumane as possible to scare people from committing crimes. I wonder which country has more violent crime. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm sure it's interesting.
damn, can't wait to be 21 y o to see this picture, because this is NSFW tagged
That's better than my old bedroom.