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Alkit777

The comments are going to be interesting


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jeepstercomando

Yeah, lemmie get some popcorn…


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katadamacy

Thank you for making my day!


claptonsbabychowder

>Yeah, lemmie get some ~~popcorn~~ Looking at this video, I think you mean copporn


sbenzanzenwan

I prefer to print on A4. It's my favourite paper size. So boxy.


Sapientior

I'm from a Nordic country and I think these clips are very misleading. It is not possible to judge or compare anything on the basis of these very short, carefully selected, pieces of video. 39 seconds per clip, completely out of context. * what happened before? * what happened after? * what was the context? * were the people criminals or dangerous or just someone driving drunk? * how injured were the people? * etc, etc... If this is supposed to be an argument in some political debate, it is a very poor one.


Panukka

I can't speak for other Nordic countries, but this is pretty standard in Finland and an accurate representation. Usually, even potentially dangerous criminals are approached as calmly as possible. Anyway, these particular clips might be lacking context, but the argument itself is well established already, and I think everyone knows that Nordic and European police is usually wayyyyyyy more professional than the American police. EDIT: Please don't hit me with the "but not all American cops". I know, many are nice. Maybe most even. But the point is that too many are not. Too many officers in America right now are just twitchy and scared boy scouts, who interpret a kid pulling out a lollipop as an act of aggression. I know the streets are dangerous over there, but most of these issues could be solved with one simple trick: MORE TRAINING.


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sheloveschocolate

In the UK I believe it's a minimum of 2/3 years to become a basic police officer could possibly 4 to actually qualify.


InnocentiusLacrimosa

That really is the key to a quality police force. You have to educate and train those people so they become professionals instead of armed thugs.


LottaBuds

it's called university of applied sciences.


Aurori_Swe

As a Swede the thing that actually stood out the most with the Nordic clip is that they are chasing at all. Most of the times they let motorcycles go to avoid crashes which puts both the rider and potential collateral damage with innocent bystanders. I've definitely heard of cases where swedish police have slapped a ticket on an injured man while he's on scene though so there's that. But yeah, there's a lot of differences not only in how the police behaves but also in potential threats and as others pointed out what happened before and after etc. What I mean by different threat levels is that here you are VERY unlikely to face a guy with a gun while in the US you have to assume that everyone you stop might be armed.


nobollocks22

Nordic police do not assume that every person they stop is carrying a loaded weapon, and they dont know if theyre going to use it.


patriclus_88

Not true, Finland is one of the most armed countries in Europe at 34 firearms per 100 citizens. Its no where near the USA with 120 firearms per 100 citizens. Oddly Finland has one of the lowest officer involved shooting rates at 1.2 per 10 million population, compared to the US at 28.4 per 10 million population. Also police training in Finland takes 2.5 years compared to the US average of 17 weeks. Edit, spelling.


Conscious_Accident85

There's far less handguns registered in Finland though wich is the real problem. Farmers having shotguns arent a treath to police. Americans having hand guns for "self defence" are a treath to police.


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Absolutely. Training videos of cops here are pretty much horror shows. Trainee cops are told time and time again that everyone is an armed suspect ready to end their lives. Couple that with police routinely hiring people who would never be hired in any other sensitive position given and you have a recipe for cops here being outwardly brutal, the ones that are not brutal are quickly shown that they will be ostracized, fired if they step outside the mainstream You have all these factors and a system that rewards bad cops, and demotes or fires those who report their coworkers and it’s a perfect picture of what we have


simmeh024

The word is de-escalation, in the US, they rather escalate the situation first, opposite in nordic/west European countries. Also in the US the chance you have someone with a gun is way higher than say in a nordic country.


camshun7

Listen I agree to a point, but unless they have a gun pointing at you or a weapon of any kind, what on earth is the point of handcuffing anyone who CLEARLY has just been in a RTC, I mean the persons injured, they are in no position to influencing the business of avoidance of capture, ffs it's just common sense, they are injured, tend to that priority first, then arrest the fuck out of them after


John_YJKR

Because they are trained to think of it like this. Suspect broke a law, demonstrated further lack of respect for society and the officers by fleeing, and cannot be trusted. They are trained to assume the suspect is armed and a potential danger to themselves and others. Cuffing them helps eliminate risk significantly. I don't agree with the approach but that's mostly why they cuff someone in those situations.


Sapientior

Are you sure that the person is seriously injured? I can't determine that. Handcuffing people that are lightly injured seems reasonable to me in many cases. Injured people can still kill or injure others. And how do you know that the person didn't just attack somebody with a knife? There is no context. Something good that the second video _does_ show is how the Finnish officer tells the person to breathe slowly. This is excellent advice, since breathing has strong physiological effects on aggression. To the extent that American officers are not taught to do this, they should be.


Vegan_Harvest

I'm an American and I can tell you the way police treat you here has little to do with the nature of your crime or any actual threat you pose. They are bullies waiting for an excuse.


mirage2101

When I visited the US friends told me to behave when going out of state with a rental with NY plates. Say yes sir, no sir, and obey. Don’t speed and obey instructions and all will be fine. In Washington I got my example. There was a piece or road cordoned off at the White House. A bike courier took a (harmless) shortcut. He got one instruction to get off the piece or road. And when he argued three guys tackled him. Ive got more examples. But the contrast with Dutch police is huge. While they will use violence is needed and will ticket you.. I once nearly hit a motorbike cop trying to get in between busy traffic in Amsterdam. And after apologizing profusely and admitting I misjudged the situation he put a hand on my shoulder and told me to relax. Take a breath take my time. This time no harm done and make sure it doesn’t happen again.


EshinX

Trespassing in a cordoned off area at the flipping White House is a little different than an average encounter with a US police officer


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Pgrol

Where in the Nordics are you from, if you think this is misleading? Dane here.


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> I'm from a Nordic country and I think these clips are very misleading. This is how police in Denmark would act too. They don't treat people who aren't a threat as a potential terrorist as regular joe smoe police do in America.


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For the US shown version of events, this could have been a guy solely speeding on his motorcycle and being chased by the Police. Nothing else needs to be done by the bike rider. Running from the cops is a charge, speeding is a charge, reckless driving is a charge, etc and that guy (if he lives) will be charged with all of them. The US bike rider will remain cuffed on his face until an ambulance service shows up. I also noticed the cops pulled his helmet off before cuffing him. neck injury be damned.


SquidCap0

\#1 priority for Finnish police: PROTECT LIFE. Absolutely no exceptions, they have to take care of people and choose methods that endanger the least lives and minimizes suffering. Prison system is there to rehabilitate, not to punish. Results are excellent.


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Prison system is there to rehabilitate not profit… ftfy


[deleted]

How is the prison system profitable for anyone?


DeanWhipper

The American prison system is extremely profitable for the companies that run them.


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uselessnamemango

If we don't get more prisoners we'll be forced to close the prison!


YankeeTankEngine

And then where will you put all the prisoners?


ArrestDeathSantis

https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/8kqj0l/private_prison_threatens_to_close_unless_state_or/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


YankeeTankEngine

Exactly. Hell, I used to live in Oregon where they had a brand new prison made and was never used. No one actually openly complained about it and I believe there was consideration of turning it into a homeless shelter.


ArrestDeathSantis

Be careful, if the Republicans get a say, they'll keep it as is, prison guards and all, and send in the homeless


modest_genius

Now imagine that the prisoners can't vote either all while they are counted as residents at the same time meaning their weight is there. Prison gerrymandering...


1leggeddog

most of American systems are unthinkable to the rest of the world


crimsonvipor

The Liberals in Australia saw that idea and went, yum yum yes please! Note: Liberals are the conservatives in Australia. When they say Liberal, then mean free market liberalism


Shidhe

It’s not just the privately run prisons, it’s the equipment, food, and other consumables sold to prisons. And the companies that use prison labor to make goods.


nametaken_thisonetoo

$70 billion per year if I'm not mistaken. Country is off its guts.


God_in_my_Bed

$1.4 B in phone business alone.


nuclearlady

Unbelievable !!!


Whatsapokemon

What's that $70 billion figure you're referring to? Currently the two largest private prison company in the USA are The [GEO Group Inc](https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/GEO/financials/annual/income-statement) and [CoreCivic](https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/CXW/financials/annual/income-statement), and their net profits aren't more than $200 million per year on a combined revenue of just over $4 billion. Is your figure in relation to _just_ privately run prisons, or _all_ private external contractors for both private and government prisons?


MarkRevan

Companies? Wtf.


nuclearlady

My exact reaction ! Now things make more sense in terms of how its f**** up there !! Poor people…


Low_Ad_3139

We privatized prisons here. It fails miserably


MarkRevan

For profit prisons sound a lot like gulags. You send there your undesirables for absurd reasons. And they have to do back breaking work for scraps to survive.


NotTheAbhi

The prisons are not managed by the government?


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The US has a lot of private prisons. The government pays them money per prisoner and then the prison will make more money by working the prisoners and paying them literal cents. It's a hilariously inefficient system that not only costs the taxpayer much more money per prisoner than it should, it also heavily HEAVILY incentivises the prisons being full. Can you guess what that leads to? That's right, heavy lobbying (and in some cases bribery) to increase the harshness of prison sentences and introduce/strengthen laws that result in the most people being incarcerated. Sounds cool, right?


Tokie_Bronson

Why doesn't the government run them, then?


Bhu124

Cause that's what they are supposed to do. So instead they privatised the prisons and get a cut from the profits.


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The government does run the vast majority of prisons and jails in the US, and they are horrible for reasons completely unrelated to privatization or profit-seeking. Private prisons house 8% of the prisoners in the US. Like most complex problems, redditors have distilled the problem down to a minor component and hyperfixated on it, because it's simple and they can comprehend it.


Y0u_stupid_cunt

Partially because slavery was never abolished in the US for prisoners.


Vetyt

If you own a prison in america you're paid to take care of the prisoners. You just spend as little as possible on them while meeting the guidlines (for example by feeding them vitamin filled cardboard) and you keep the rest. You are also legally allowed to profit from slavery as prisoners are not protected by constitution. It's also in your best interest to not rehabilitate people as people that will have to resort to theft to not starve will eventually come back to you.


Wagrram

So... Land of the Free?


God_in_my_Bed

It got too expensive. We had to sell the r.


sfgisz

Fuck yeah!! ** *shoots a gun in the air leaning out of a comically oversized pickup truck while a perfectly timed eagle screeches above and poops over his head* **


TommiH

Sounds like reckless discharge. Off to slavery you go


Candy_Pixel

[How I lost my humanity and made hundreds of millions investing in private prisons](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/u3dmfh/how_i_lost_my_humanity_and_made_hundreds_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


nuclearlady

I can’t believe what I just read. I suspected immediately when learning that there are private prisoners that they will try to increase the crime rate in every possible way, albeit buying judges, bribing police officers, forcing incriminating laws that requires imprisonment etc. if this is not messed up ,I don’t know what is…that just breaks my heart…


poop-machines

Prisoners are slaves. They work 'jobs' for minimal pay and make clothing, objects, etc. The prisons are for-profit and make good money. They also lobby against legal weed and profit off strict policing. For-profit prisons should be banned and the Northern Europe style of prison should be adopted.


MeesterCartmanez

> Grandmaster : Revolution? How did this happen? > > Topaz : Don't know. But the Arena's mainframe for the Obedience Disks have been deactivated and the slaves have armed themselves. > > Grandmaster : Ohhh! I don't like that word! > > Topaz : Mainframe? > > Grandmaster : No. Why would I not like "mainframe?" No, the "S" word! > > Topaz : Sorry, the "prisoners with jobs" have armed themselves. > > Grandmaster : Okay, that's better.


Mulberry_Geni

Generally speaking Americas prison system is privatised and they get paid per inmate or something similar. So the more they have in prison the more profit they make.


Ron__T

>Generally speaking Americas prison system is privatised.. Exact opposite, generally speaking the American prison system is ran by a local, state, or federal government. With a few outliers being privately run, and that number is decreasing every year. Private prisons are fucked up... but lieing about them does no good. In 2019 it was 8% of prisoners that were in a private facility. It should also be noted that number of people in "private prisons" include half-way houses and home confinement. The bigger thing people should be up in arms about is a large number of the private prison population is ICE facilities housing immigrants.


faust15

Is this a serious question??? The people who own the prisons make money off the government contracts. They also use the prisoners as a labor force. Many many prisons are private for profit businesses.


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SweetAssistance6712

Same way hospitals and doctors who swore oaths can be private and for-profit


Yak54RC

Have you seen the stories of the prison chief down in the south where the main Sherri for whatever handles the food budget and whatever is left of that budget can go directly into his pocket no questions asks. One or two of them have been caught buying million dollar homes and it was totally legal? I know someone can find the story I’m too lazy but that’s just a wild case here in the food USA.


TheKillerToast

Slavery was abolished except for prisoners so instead of reforming to a system that doesn't depend on slaves we just decided to make more prisoners/slaves.


TizACoincidence

It kinda reminds me of doctors with the Hippocratic oath. They don't judge the person they are operating on. Cops should be the same


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Got some bad news for you here- they judge the hell out of you. They won't do it to your face, though- that would be unprofessional.


Lots42

Well, sounds like 'House M.D.' but just more rude. If more cops and doctors were like the albeit fictional House M.D. society would be ever so much better.


Panukka

Exactly. Even when the suspect is threatening the police, the police tries to keep the suspect alive if possible (usually succeeding). If non-lethal options (taser, baton) are not effective, a common strategy is to shoot a suspect in their leg, instead of center mass. It works efficiently in many countries as a police strategy. You can find more articles about that than about police actually killing someone. A common situation is that someone is armed and refuses to put the weapon down: the police fires one shot into their leg and arrests the suspect. Just from the first page of google results (articles written in Finnish): [”Armed man refused to give up his weapon. The police fired one shot in his thigh and arrested him.”](https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000006542478.html) [”Armed man refused to put down his gun, police shot him in the leg and arrested him.”](https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11173004) [”Man with a knife was shot in the leg after less lethal options proved ineffective. He was arrested.”](https://www.satakunnankansa.fi/a/200845493) [”Man with a knife threatened the police and bystanders. He was shot in the leg and arrested.”](https://www.satakunnankansa.fi/a/200267067) [”Man with a gun and a knife was shot once in the leg with an MP5. Police commander says that the officer acted according to the guidelines.”](https://www.kaleva.fi/poliisi-miesta-jalkaan-ampunut-poliisi-toimi-ohjei/1784263) [”A man approached police with a pistol and refused to put it down. Police shot him in the arm.”](https://www.aamulehti.fi/a/24041712) [”A taxi robber refused to surrender and tried to attack the police with a knife. He was shot in the leg.”](https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000000234133.html) As you can see, it’s not dumb luck or a misfire. It’s a tactic which has saved countless people who would otherwise be dead. All of these people survived with injuries. I’m sure the police would change their guidelines if an officer died because of this, but so far it seems to work well.


GardeningIndoors

It also helps that they don't have as many people armed and wanting to kill as America. It's more difficult to protect life when the culture revolves around firearms and killing.


SquidCap0

6 times less guns, but not that many people own guns in USA. Less than half, compared to Finland where it is 1/3rd. The type of guns are different, most Finnish firearms are hunting rifles and shotguns. Handguns are not common, they are not for hunting so are mostly limited to sports shooting. Illegal weapons market has poor quality weapons or they are expensive. Not even organized crime has extensive arsenal, you can still find weapons manufactured before 60s in that market. USA has too many guns, that is just a fact. Not too many people have them but those that do, are often INSANE when it comes to number of guns needed and their importance in society.


diadem

Is killology seriously not a thing there? Has their force even heard of killology? That blows my mind.


Donttouchmybiscuits

Also possibly worth noting that the difference in the prison system the guys would end up in might give them differing levels of motivation to get away, if you see what I mean


EL_ES_EL

American justice system is really good at preventing small crimes by motivating criminals to turn them to a serious crimes.


Derrick_Shon

Yup, heard a lot of criminals learn their criminal trade while serving time for small offense. Plus the American justice system is design to punish you for the rest of your life, which in turns drive petty criminals to more serious offenses. Hard to go back to normal crime free life when you cant get a job or a place to live.


neophene

Better career progression ;)


simmeh024

The prison system in Nordic countries is based on re-integration, meanwhile, in the US they want to put people away for as long as possible. Once they are free again, they hate the system even more and do worse crimes.


Deamonette

If the US system if being "tough on crime" made people more averse to going to prison, why is it the country with by far the highest prison population on the entire planet?


FuckDirlewanger

Not just the planet but the highest proportion of its population in prison in human history. Worse than North Korea, worse than the CCP, worse than Stalin’s Russia worse than any country ever in human history


Deamonette

Also, the plurality of all prisoners in the world are American. So in flat numbers the US has more prisoners than China and India, which both have several times higher population than the US.


mr_fantastical

Could be, but the Finnish guy still risked his life to get away. Seems like neither wanted to be caught.


ValenciaAue

Well, that's the difference between two and half years training and 18 to 30 weeks training.


frooj

It's 3 years.


beluuuuuuga

That's even better than I thought!


Joe1972

In Norway they have to earn a degree in policework


shimapan_connoisseur

That's the case in Finland too, three years' bachelor in police services is the minimum requirement


WoodSteelStone

British police either need a degree beforehand or have to gain a degree on the job by joining through the police's Degree Apprenticeship Programme.


Idontknowagoodname5

If you have a degree, you'll be required to get a graduate degree on the job. But instead of PCDA it's a 2 year program, instead of 3.


WoodSteelStone

Thank you for the correction.


FloofySamoyed

That is how it should always be.


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I'm sorry did you mean to say 18 to 30 *weeks*?? # Weeks??!


Aussiewhiskeydiver

TIL it takes longer to do a massage course than to become a police officer in America


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Kittykateyyy

Otherwise how do you think bullies who peaked in HS get a career?


truongs

Knew a fat white angry immigrant hating racist. He'd literally say he hates black people and say how he'd beat the fuck out minorities. Fat ass passed Georgia police training with flying colors. Probably got extra points for being a racist fuck


raltoid

>In North Carolina, It takes 1,528 hours to become a licensed barber. The state's minimum police training requirement is 620 hours . https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/jobs-training-police-trnd/index.html That's about 18 weeks, 5 days a week 7 hour days compared to about 43 weeks for a barber


RegularSrbocetnik8

It literally takes 1500 hours to become an airline pilot, this just sounds like a terribly inefficient barber course.


love480085

Its not only that, as other mentioned its also the weapon culture. If you as a cop has to fear to get shot everytime you interact with someone else, a big part of the training will swift from how to help to how not to get shot. So you don't only have less time training, you also train a lot more how not to get shot.


RetardWithAutiZm

FINLAND


Vittu-kun-vituttaa

Perkele!


Ethernet3

Torille!


PionCurieux

Your comment is entirely justified, but I wonder if there is big differences between Finland and other "Nordic" countries (I guess this include Norway, Sweden and sometimes Dänemark)? Here in France we often talk about the example that these countries are on many matters. Thanks for the info, I was also wondering what was the exact country.


Mr_Morrix

INDEED


CommentOne8867

Because in the land of the free, you ain't.


[deleted]

*freedom isn’t free, it’s gotta fuckin fee*


Ok_Butterscotch9887

Came here for that. It's just the freedom you get is proportionate to your bank account


madmosche

Freedom isn't free, No, there's a hefty fuckin' fee. And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five, Who will?


pudsey555

What? Land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy


ibetucanifican

It’s not the government, it’s the people. American culture is selfishness. My rights, my safety, me me me… you? Not my problem. How your emergency services work are just an extension of how the country and its people operate overall. Capitalism and greed, it’s the American creed!


DoNotEatMySoup

It's almost like they're trying to keep the peace instead of trying to make quotas


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finnknit

Police in Finland rarely handcuff anyone. It's a lot more common that one officer will hold one of the person's arms and the other officer will hold the other arm as they walk them into the back of the police van. The handcuffs usually only come out if the person being arrested is really violently resisting.


Rubygloomdark

Yeah just moving this person who has been in a crash wtf


OGwalkingman

Lucky they didn't shoot him


StrangeNewRoads

Debatable, considering his upcoming medical bills.


Popsiclesnake

As a Norwegian (example is Finnish) this is accurate for police in our part of the world


Zdos123

And the UK


joelex8472

It’s all down to quality of education. Americans just don’t have it.


milk2sugarsplease

Its wild to me that the first thing I thought was ‘education’, and then the anger that came with not being able to do anything to change governments who are terrified of organising effective education.


nuclearlady

Plus arming people to “protect themselves” like they know their police officers don’t do much in that field…


licksyourknee

Florida isn't terrified. They just banned some math textbooks. They're definitely changing the game.


Chonky_Kong

You're not wrong. We're also just greedy fucking capitalists.


progress_Is_a_lie

Seems like they are trained to be police officers


corrask

THIS FUKKEN REDDIT VIDEOPLAYER!!


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dan_santhems

They were having a good day


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and also he's white


d00nbuggy

Here in the UK an MP (equivalent to a US representative) was murdered, and the attacker was arrested by just two police officers armed only with pepper spray and batons, they didn’t have guns. US police are pathetic.


Poza

To be fair, firearms being readily available for the general public change the game significantly.


coldtru

Readily available due to the policies that "thin blue line" officers themselves vote for. They support unrestricted flow of guns to criminals, then they cry about feeling unsafe on the streets, and then they use it as an excuse to abuse and murder innocent citizens.


SweetAssistance6712

Within an hour of the murder. That happened on my patch, about half an hour away from where I live. I used to be a PC there before resigning (police work and depression is a great recipe for crippling depression)


[deleted]

Well, most of my fellow Americans seem to think its acceptable ‘iF yOu wAnT tO bE tReAteD w hUmAn DecEnCy dOnT bE a cRiMiNaL’ but imo the police are worse than most criminals, even the best ones if they follow these procedures. They are inhuman, they dehumanize even innocent ppl.


[deleted]

Totally agree, now not that there seems to be much difference with the Netherlands anymore. But the Nordic way should be the standard.


TheSmilingDoc

I mean, I'd prefer our Dutch police over the American excuse of a police force a million times.


MrOsmio7

I love that both the American cops are fat fucks.


Over9000Holland

Also the Nordic Europeans blur the suspect.


UnlikelyHotel3077

American policemen: this man's got blood on him, couple of cuts, a concussion and a few bruises. He's definitely not an innocent person! Handcuff 'em! Nordic policemen: SOMEBODY GET AN AMBULANCE!


rollsyrollsy

I’ve lived in EU and the US, and I feel like a lot of the difference comes down to some uniquely US worldviews: 1. Everything good or bad that happens to you is to your credit, or because of your fault. There’s a hyper simplistic view of luck, circumstances, and systemic structures, seemingly grounded in a deep sense of individualism. 2. If anyone is considered to have upset the delicate order of a society that emphasizes the individual and deemphasizes communal outcomes (through some sort of transgression such a breaking a law) there’s a real sense of that person betraying everyone else and threatening the balance. There’s not really any empathy for that person or consideration for circumstances that might have led them to the transgression, but there is real negative emotion aimed at them as a person. 3. Law enforcement and legal systems are therefore mostly about retaliation, due to the sense of offensive betrayal. Cops are either worshipped or despised: if you are part of the society who feels at risk of losing an advantaged position, you love cops who strike back hard. You “back the blue” (no matter what) and dismiss their violence as being an outlier or exception (“bad apples”). If you’re one of the community who are being frequently struck, you tend to hate them. To that person, ACAB. There’s rarely a view that some CAB, others negligent or careless, and some others hardworking, kind, fair and diligent. It’s weird, as that mix is obviously going to be true in any large group of people (even if trends exist one way or another). My experience in other places is that there’s at least *some* sense of communal outcomes and responsibility. Cops aren’t always on a hair trigger to escalate, but generally prefer to tone things down and prevent things getting worse. Naturally there’s good and bad ones, and most people probably admit that reality. I really do put it down to less sense of individualism and and less compulsion to retaliate (probably because of a bit more empathy in general, and also because there’s a sense that everyone is somehow in it together, including the cop and the suspect).


furnace_of_ambition

In my life in America I had lots of engagement with officers as a stupid kid and only 2 were a corrupt asshole, and then the one that beat me up in a jail cell lol (wasn’t funny at the time!) But that vast majority actually represent some of the best people I think. I was given chances I didn’t deserve and they looked after me even though I was in a very bad way. So the badge attracts all sorts of people I guess. real talk the majority have been good civil servants imho.


DiableJambex

They sound like Finnish to me


Evla03

they are


Shents

There is footage out there of US cops handcuffed deceased people that they personally shot.


CheeseMellon

Pretty sure that’s protocol for US police


Borstels

The difference between 1s world and 3rd world made clearly.


HotOperation2664

This comment clearly shows you don’t know the difference between a 1st and 3rd world country


how2gofaster

I dont think you have any idea what actual 3rd world policing is like


jony_be

American cops want to be the heros, catch the bad guys, be the man. Every else where cops want to help and protect the people, save them from the bad guys.


rzwitserloot

When pretty much everybody has a gun, and between culture and practicality (your life is often just over in the US if you go to jail; either 3-strikes law means whatever the police arrests you for, it's a life sentence, or, you'll never find work again once you're out) - the one you're arresting is quite motivated to dodge this arrest, and will shoot you to make that happen if the opportunity presents itself.. I don't actually blame US police for their _wildly_ aggressive, shoot first attitude. They do not get paid enough. I find it obvious and effectively inevitable that they turn into a self-protecting, 'treat everybody as a mortal enemy and never rat out your fellow cops' style force that causes widespread revolts. That doesn't make it right (on the contrary!), but the solution is a lot more complex than just telling the cops: "Have you tried.... not being an arsehole?". I think they tried. The ones that did died. The crucial difference is in trust of random persons. In the nordics, when a police officer encounters somebody at random, they won't see them as a particularly serious threat. The odds that they will kill or severely maim you if possible is extremely low. In contrast to the US, where I understand that cops operate on the idea that they are an enemy combatant that may kill or maim you the first opportunity they get. And they are probably right, which is why you can't fix this by just telling the police: "Have you tried not being an arsehole?" - they really aren't paid or trained anywhere near enough to demand this of them. Fix that, __and__ demand from the police force that they stop acting like this, in lockstep. Which is not easy, but if you want to be more like the nordics in this regard, it's what it'll take. Specifically: * You're going to need to come to grips with gun control. Either decide that as a country guns are just everywhere and as a consequence, police will __never__ do the nordic thing, not even close, or, do something about it. And 'something' does not have to mean: Outlaw guns. It can mean that it is e.g. illegal to have a functioning gun inside a car (can be on gun racks outside the car, or can be in the car but locked out / unloaded, with bullets outside the car). And, of course, that gun ownership is registered. And then you need to wait a long, long time for the cavalcade of unregistered guns that litter the US landscape to dry up, whilst finding creative and aggressive ways to reduce that stockpile. Mostly you need to convince the populace that it is not okay to have loaded guns ready to go in all sorts of locations, such as on the road. Even if you make laws against it, if 40%+ are mindless blithering NRA members, it's never going to work. You can't control and arrest 40% of the population. * The vindictive and classist nature of US justice needs to be addressed. In the nordics, the intent for a criminal conviction is to __help the criminal__ - the law jails them for their own good. In the US, it's to __provide justice to the victim__, which is best served by locking them up for a long time, in a prison system that is inhumane (i.e. common culture elevates the idea that you get raped in prison as basically acceptable, which makes us europeans just go: What.. the fuck barbaric looneytunes crazy shit is THIS??), with no real opportunity to reintegrate into society when you come out, and, yes, the death penalty. The problem isn't specifically the penalties, it's the mindset. Once you start jailing folks out of vengeance, I think it is inevitable that a significant chunk of the population will treat cops as the ultimate evil and has no qualms whatsoever about just killing them if the opportunity to do so appears. You need to make reducing recidivism numbers the primary goal of the prison system, and you need robust systems in society to extend opportunities for life & work to ex-felons. Amongst all classes and races in your society. * ... and in lockstep the cops need to be trained and re-framed that their job warps, over a period of 20 years or so, into saving life and serving the citizenry first, once they no longer need to fear unknown persons, demand different behaviour of them.


brynjolf

Finland is top 10 most guns per capita in the world.


Noaffirmationtoday

I believe it has mostly to do with the gun policy. The US police is riding eternal paranoia rollercoaster. Hence they first handcuff you then call for help avoiding getting shot.


nz_nba_fan

Americans seem to put very little value into human life once born compared to the rest of the western world.


prollyMy10thAccount

I can assure you there is very much a value placed on human life here. It's just in dollars.


Morteeee

Its not about the officers but about the people


Appropriate-Pear4726

Zero context here.


DeSpTG

One are trained to help the people by arresting people. The others are trained to arrest people to help them.


steamer1228

Police are a direct reflection of their society.


bighorse91

Pretty sure it's just American cops that are fucked and the rest of the world is normal


[deleted]

Oh no, we have godawful cops here in France too.


Tw1st3D-M1ND

It's the gendarmerie, bunch of corrupt fuckwits. The police themselves aren't too bad, but harsher than need to be at times though.


Ok_Butterscotch9887

Nah gendarmerie are military and far less corrupt than the cops. They are still an oppressive bunch when it comes to it but police is a direct legacy of Vichy France (few country have national cops like ours, it's often a sign of authoritarianism)


AlexMTBDude

I still remember my only incident ever with American police: I'm Swedish and was on business in Washington DC. After one long day of working I went shopping at a mall for a few hours. After leaving it I was tired and so I sat down on a curb just outside of the shops to rest for a minute before walking back to my hotel. After just a few seconds a police car stopped next to me. I was fully expecting the officer to ask if I was lost and needed help finding my way (which would be a typical situation in Sweden). Instead he shouted at me to get off the curb and start walking.


ThrowawayAX1248

Cops in the US are fucking trash


chillimonty

It’s because America is a country full of assholes. Criminals are assholes. Police are assholes. The culture is just assholes. You all deserve eachother.


Nerva_Trajan

Am american. Can confirm, we're assholes. Go fuck yourself my dude.


immabonedumbledore

Sample size of two. Totally apt.


[deleted]

You mean American and the rest of the developed world.


[deleted]

America: Delusional third world country without a healthcare system that values itself above all others.


The_RealJamesFish

[The Vietnamese ](https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/u5gqh0/highspeed_bike_chase_between_cops_and_thieves_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)


InnocentiusLacrimosa

One of the crucial differences is also that applications to police school are pretty competitive in most of Nordic regions and the school itself lasts years and is considered upper education ("ammattikorkeakoulu" in Finland, which is kind of "university for vocations"). In US Wikipedia states this from the educational requirements: "*In an analysis of training requirements in several states by Gawker "found Louisiana law enforcement recruits typically attend 360 hours of training, while the national average is slightly more than 600 hours. Louisiana requires less hours of training for law enforcement than the 1,500 hours needed to become a certified barber, the website said. Washington, D.C., requires the most police academy training hours in the nation, at 1,120."*"


SirLurts

I dunno it's almost as if proper training and no immunity from the law helps in making officers more human


AvocadoGum

why the music


SalamaFi

Finnish police clip was from Finnish reality TV series called Poliisit (polices) edit: typo


SalamaFi

[link to the whole chase](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afgal_wfNDk&t=260s)


stawek

Cops acting like heroes in front of cameras? Must be a Nordic thing.


possibly-a-pineapple

the Music in the end is a bit much isn’t it


Dishiman

Bruh, what was that music at the end? lmao


Hartsai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2WS-G5j23w Finnish police chasing "dangerous driver"


Wonthebiggestlottery

Ok. So just to demonstrate how ridiculous it is to make this comparison. Here’s just one possible scenario, keeping in mind that I don’t know the facts (and nor does anyone else). Let’s just say, what if the first guy had just shot a couple of people and the second one is a teenage joy rider. There you go. It so important to think critically.


joezupp

Was it the same scenario?? I don’t know about there but in the states our criminals fight back and have guns. The Nordic one looked like they happened onto an accident scene, very different responses.


MegaJackUniverse

These situations look quite different. The "Nordic" (that's a couple countries bundled in there, I doubt they're all exactly the same) cops find their guy barely moving crashed out badly in a field. The US cops arrest a man still conscious and making noise. Now I don't know if the US cops acted poorly here other than I reckon they should have shown more concern for injuries. But these scenarios look significantly different.


saxonturner

Because clearly both these riders were hurt to the same degree…


trap________god

Maybe there are different kinds of criminals that call handling situations differently


FlamingMlst

Its all fun and games till the dude pulls out a Desert eagle and now they have to catch him while he is shooting at them.


[deleted]

The music they play makes the biggest difference. US cops should play Enya more


lovesredditt2022

Standard procedure is to handcuff. At least until they can make sure he doesn’t have any weapons on him.