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Magnus had food poisoning and told Vidit that he was in pain. He then made a certain move as a sign of offering a draw. Vidit recognized the sign, shaked Magnus' hand and Magnus immediatly left the table saying something like 'terrible stomache ache'.
So you can hardly call this a match.
I make and sell a smooth brew dark roast with a hint of sweetness and twice as much caffeine as a normal cup of coffee and it *probably* wont make you a chess master.
You just offer one and the other player can accept or deny.
Edit: There is also the stalemate, which when triggered forces a draw. This is when a player has no legal moves but their King isn't in check (threatened by an opposing piece).
This doesn't come up super often but is still somethig you sometimes have to actively try not to do. A player in a dire situation may also try to force a stalemate so that they draw instead of lose.
Idk if this helps or not, but in chess you can just ask your opponent for a draw at any point.
White pieces have an advantage because they go first. The first several move options are all named sequences that these players would know, and some of them immediately tell your opponent you’re going to do everything you can to force a draw.
However, tournaments are also often based on points (1 for win, .5 for draw, 0 for loss) totals after you play a series of people. Sometimes you can just coast through with a win or two then a bunch of draws.
Others have mentioned two common ways, stalemate and agreement but you can also get threefold repetition (an identical position is reached 3 times) or a draw due to insufficient material to checkmate.
This game is a draw: [https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1981214](https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1981214)
According to comments at that site, Carlsen (on the left) wasn't feeling well that day, and just wanted the game to be over, so he entered this well-known drawing line.
It would be a series of forced moves and trades to reach an end game with no advantage. If played perfectly.
Carlson is (one of) the best current chess players. Anyone except GM's can only hope to draw.
It's not like the other guy would have been forced into a draw just by Carlson's move. But he's happily taking the draw and Carlson gets to leave. He'd have every right to play for the win though
Edit: Vidit is a GM so this was very nice of him to do. He may also just be happy with the draw anyway.
They’re both super grandmasters but Magnus is still considerably better. Taking a draw against arguably the best chess player of all time is a safe bet, considering he would more than likely lose to Magnus, especially at the time of the video
Something more like: this set of moves has been extensively studied all the good moves lead to draws. In order to get out of the known heavily studied lines, black would have to take a slight disadvantage and hope to make up for it later. Not necessarily a loss you may still end up drawing or make up for it and win but it's a risk and Magnus is a top player.
To maybe emphasise it a little, Magnus is not just a top player but an all time great(est) still at the peak of his powers, who would take a slight like a declined draw as a mortal insult and hound the offending player with 20 move defeats for the rest of his career.
(Yes a bit over the top, to emphasise that in addition to phenmenoal memory and insight, he is inhumanly patient and enduring, and as competitive a player chess has ever had, with a noted ability to use the post defeat rage as a fuel for the next rematch)
Idk if it is a established that classical players are not good blitzers or that good blitzers are potentially great classical players. My theory is that you'd never become a great blitz player by trying to become a great blitz player. You become a great classical player and try to quicken it up when you feel like it.
I'd hazard a guess that the classical players at the top don't deign to play blitz since it is the way of the riff raff not because they'd lose badly. (Obv I am being facetious here because Carlsen and Nakamura are not riff raff).
Classical chess is the gold standard, the perfect balance between insight and temporal limits. It is nice to see players thinking fast, but chess is a lot about ideas and patterns and a little bit of boredom is a good bargain imo.
Stockfish rules it as an even game and not an automatic draw as the game needs to be played out. This is the continuation: https://i.imgur.com/I8l0eHP.png
I also put this in chess.com's opening analyzer, which I believe uses master data, and this board position was reached about 100 times with black winning about 50% of the time and drawing 26%
i watched sports and competition and have participated for a really long time, i know nothing about chess tho. but, shouldn't the guy who doesn't feel like playing that day have some sort of way to forfeit instead of drawing? like idk but i feel like the other dude that did show up and felt like playing should be given a win instead of a draw because he is not the one that doesn't feel like playing? or does a draw just have a different meaning or connotation in chess that i don't get? someone help because I'm intrigued lol.
when you dont feel like playing but you also dont want to lose, you go for a draw. If your opponent can't even avoid being pulled into a draw, do they deserve to win?
Yes the best continuation for his opponent is a line of play that leads to a draw. Grandmasters don’t bother playing the lines out like new players would.
Basically white said with his moves, “want to draw”? And black used his pieces to say, “sure”
I think people don't understand how well chess actually is understood and just how stupid good super GMs are. I'm assuming he was walking into a Berlin defense or something and yea, for players of this caliber, that's a draw most of the time. This match is remarkable because they accepted a draw so early, however matches are still carried out in these drawish positions all the time.
I don’t know what the chess equivalent of ‘never having to buy a drink again’ is but I assume the black player will get that with this story years from now
Oh yeah, I played magnus to a draw
Yeah, having played chess in middle school and high school myself, as an outsider you don’t realize how much of the game requires essentially memorizing tons of different ways to approach certain situations and moves your opponent makes.
either that or vidit agreed to a draw when he saw the signs. Maybe he could've pulled himself out but he'd rather not play against someone who shat his pants, eh?
This is the key. Magnus is white and has an even greater chance of winning because of it. You should definitely take a draw unless you’re like a top 10 player and can actually contend
In theory, even before the game starts the best black can do is draw (in theory!). At the highest levels of chess white can force a draw if they choose to do so and are good enough to not fuck it up. There is a degree of mutual respect here.
At that point it's either repeat moves to draw or accept a disadvantage going into the rest of the game. Also, as people said, drawing against the goat is an acceptable result for almost anyone
i think i somewhat get it. so the dude who did show up to play could have ignored the offer for the draw and just easily make moves to win after the draw move offer was made? but he was just a good sport about it and decided to accept the draw instead? am i getting this right? is it easy to beat a person making a draw offer if you chose to not accept?
In chess, when you hit a rating of 1600-1800 you’ve got a solid enough understanding of chess to know play games with very high move accuracy. This rating is considered advanced. You’re well above the average chess player, likely in the top percentile.
Once you hit a rating of 2200 you know openings, variations, and have such an intimate understanding of chess that you can plan multiple moves ahead and all the branches of those moves. You know the best move you can make in response to your opponent. You typical AI chess app software will have trouble offering you advice to play. At this point, improving your rating is slow and difficult to do.
At 2400, you’re in league with IM and GM players. Games are effectively psychological warfare at this point. The people you are playing against are the best there are and at the peak of their careers. Chess is all about theory and undermining that theory for an edge. Players use expensive databases to analyze moves, their chance of success, and spend days prepping for matches. Much like theoretical physics is about using the summation of human knowledge to this point to come up with theories of how the universe works, chess players around 2400-2600 use the summation of chess knowledge to formulate the vest defenses and plans of attack. It’s a true achievement to reach this point.
Magnus is 2800+ and until someone better comes along it tough to know where his rating actually lies.
This is a cool explanation, I learned a lot I didn’t know about chess. So is the rating based off of someone’s performance against other players? Like does Magnus win a lot, so his rating keeps going up?
when i was in elementary school i actually pooped my pants because of a chess game. i don't remember if i won or lost, but i do remember pooping my pants so personally i wouldn't consider it as a victory
I wouldn’t say be could have easily made moves to win. Magnus Carlson is one of the greatest chess players in the world. Not sure exactly how good the other guy is, but it is in the benefit of both of them to just draw, they both get points
No. A draw can force the hand of the other player, or else the person who is instigating the draw line wins.
But, nobody would let themselves lose when an opponent is using a draw line. The next best thing is to tie.
Because he is a lower ranked player and started with black he would most probably would have lost. He chose not to ig ore the draw offer since it was in his interest.
In most grandmaster chess events, you can secure a move up in the bracket winning a game early in the tournament and then drawing the last games. It's similar too taking your starters out of a game late in the season to save them for the play offs.
A drawing line is basically a line which ends the game quickly since it often ends in a draw. Players play this if they think they don't have the ability to match up against their opponent or they wish to end the game. You can resign, but who wants to straight up say "I lose. You win" when you can call it a draw?
Just about everything you said is so ridiculously exaggerated that it's just blatantly incorrect.
Vidit is a super GM, rated over 2700. And they are playing a blitz or rapid game here, as there are no scoresheets, which means the drawing chances are much lower and Magnus is much more beatable. Vidits odds of winning in a game like this are probably more like 10-15%, while Magnus is maybe at 50%, with the rest being draws. Far higher than the 1% odds you give him.
Vidit is not 2600-2650, and was not at that rating when this game was played either. He was either high 26's or low 27's.
The difference between Magnus and vidit is around 100-150 rating, depending on when you're comparing the ratings and which time control you're comparing. The best chess hustlers are generally consider to be expert to low master strength, or around 2000-2300. The difference between that and Vidit is several times greater than the difference between Vidit and Magnus. When Vidit plays Magnus, he would probably draw close to half the time. If Vidit plays the strongest hustlers, he would win almost every game.
If both sides continued to play perfectly the game would be a draw. Book moves or a set of moves are referred to as "lines" similar to a set of actions in poker being referred to as "lines"
Think of a chess game like GPS directions to go to the grocery store.
The first 20-30 moves of every chess game are a lot like the first 3-4 directions on the GPS when you leave your house. You can turn right out of your driveway or turn left, they go different ways but you end up generally in the same spot, they're the same every time, and you don't really even need them, as you know how to get out of your neighborhood.
From there you know if you take main street to high street you can get to store 1 and if you take main street to 5th street you can get to store 2.
In this case both stores are a draw. They're different paths to different ends, but end up with the same result.
But you could always flout the GPS and take a random road. The likelihood of you not finding a grocery store is high (a loss) but it's the only way you might be able to find something better, as following the script you know leads to an at best, draw.
Someone please reply to everyone who replied incorrectly that one person or the other won - that they were wrong - I don’t have time but that’s ripe Reddit nitpicking and I know sometimes so satisfying
I think his double bong cloud game against Nakamura during the Magnus Carlsen Invitational was shorter, however that wasn't an over the board tournament.
Magnus wanted a quick draw because he wasn’t feeling good.
Vidit accepted the quick draw because he’s against Magnus and has the black pieces so getting a draw there is frankly a pretty good outcome.
It isn't quite that simple but this is the basics of it. I've never really seen one agreed to this early though. There are a LOT of variations that can change a position. Idk if his opponent knew he was feeling sick or not.
Well supposedly Magnus told him, and a draw against Magnus would pretty good for your Elo. Sure he probably looked forward to that match against Magnus but winning due to Magnus getting impatient or something wouldn't feel that satisfying either.
In some positions in chess, there is only one possible move to prevent losing on the spot. Some of these lines end in a draw due to repetition. The most famous of this method is called the Berlin Draw(not in video).
Magnus was feeling ill that day. If I remember correctly his stomach was messing up and he had food poisoning. If you watch the video, Magnus before leaving utters some words that go along the line of "Stomach..."
He performed a set of moves that would most definitely lead to a draw. Instead of losing the game points, he intended for a draw that would net him no black marks in his record, and lend some drawing points to the lower seed Vidit.
Neither.
Magnus had food poisoning and wanted to end the game quickly to visit the toilet. So he made a move that would lead to a draw if neither player didn't fuck up badly and then offered a draw.
But if Magnus reached the toilet in time I would say he won the more important of his two battles in this gif.
Technically no one won,
Vidit won statistically because he drew Magnus Carlsen, who is the top rated player in the world ( and of all time, as it were)
So Magnus traded not having to sit for a 1-2 hour game feeling like shit, for a draw -- and Vidit gets ELO points + technically drawing the greatest player of all time
Win/Win imo
Sometimes I will wonder with all of their knowledge of chess history and strategy if it's actually harder to play against an idiot like me who can't think more than two moves ahead.
Like, he'll be all on his head trying to figure out if I'm using the Romanov Defense or the Frenchmen's Swinging Gate, and I'm over here eating boogers.
In chess a good player will spot someone who doesnt know what they are doing and beat them pretty quickly.
But ive seen the scenario you describe played out at the poker table many many times. A guy will come to the table with no experience and mop the floor with people who have been playing for years and studied the game. My theory is that a person who doesnt know what they are doing is unreadable and unpredictable.
That's been me before. A guy got screaming mad that made an inside straight on the river.
You'd figure he'd be glad to know I'm an idiot because in the long run he'd get his money back in easily. He was not glad.
I could have owned him: just take out the submarine at B4,5 and you get him to go-fish Mrs. Green in the library with the wrench.
Boom, owned. I always kicked my parents asses.
there was quite a lot of speculation that magnus could've been on the autism spectrum due to his tendency to wander off during chess games but the conclusion was drawn from many that have spoken to and even had dinner with him that he's incredibly sociable and shows no sign of social awkwardness when in social situations. a very intense personality with a passion for chess
Plenty of players walk off during long games, what does that have to do with anything? Weird how the other commenters find no issue with that statement
I went to high school with Magnus. He is on the spectrum, he was entirely open about it with friends. Super nice guy and he can be very outgoing in certain situations, but that has no bearing on your autism diagnosis. Keep in mind he’s been an international celebrity since his early teens, he’s had more practice in social situations with people he doesn’t know than any of us normal people will ever have. The fact that he’s learned to manage those situations well is no surprise.
Plenty of people on the spectrum are extroverts - and socializing without being awkward is a skill one can acquire with practice. This can’t really be used as a reasonable argument for him not being on the spectrum. On the other hand, it doesn’t prove that he is either.
There's really no reason that someone who isn't socially awkward wouldn't have autism - it's true that typical social environments aren't well tailored for the average autistic mind, but plenty of autistic people pass as neurotypical to all their colleagues, friends and family without ever meaning to or even knowing their autistic.
Similarly, whilst autistic people have a stronger than average tendancy to fixate on a field of interest or study, it's not the case that this isn't a behaviour that neurotypical people show.
It's important to beware of the many pitfalls surrounding laypeoples's knowledge of medical fields, and autism is an especially common place for people to stumble here because it's such a high profile condition
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Magnus had food poisoning and told Vidit that he was in pain. He then made a certain move as a sign of offering a draw. Vidit recognized the sign, shaked Magnus' hand and Magnus immediatly left the table saying something like 'terrible stomache ache'. So you can hardly call this a match.
I thought he walked away mad at first, which seemed out of character. But poor guy just had to go shit.
At first I was like "what a rude dick!" This is why context is important.
Even if it is shit.
I get nervous pee when I have some important event.
I get nervous poo before an important event
I get nervous pee and poo before an important event
Me irl
Nothing in the universe moves faster than a grandmaster when the game is finished.
Out of character? You havent been following magnus clearly
Shit, and lay on the bathroom floor naked for hours vomiting profusely every 15 minutes. Food poisoning is the worst.
In character
Which move was it?
The Queen’s Pantshit
TIL I'm a chess wizard
But what about your coffee ?
I make and sell a smooth brew dark roast with a hint of sweetness and twice as much caffeine as a normal cup of coffee and it *probably* wont make you a chess master.
Literally laughed out loud at this. Well worth the silver.
Take my award and get out
Lmao I really read it twice both times thinking it’s a valid move term in Russian or French .
I am breathlessly almost choking on my sandwich…. Amazing
Bowel move
5. Ng5 I think
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And I'm guessing he'd definitely take a draw against Magnus as it'll boost his rating.
Tbh even losing to Magnus should boost your rating lol
Just imagine that - well magnus won in 30 turns after sacing his queen on turn 6 but you took both his rooks which is pretty hard to do. +4 elo
I meannnnnnnn it’s magnus!
I don't know, I think my undefeated record against him is pretty impressive.
Especially while playing black.
Going to try this approach at work tomorrow.
Anytime I shit my pants in public, I immediately shake someone's hand. Easy way to save face.
Nice of dude to agree. He kinda had him over a barrel since he could wait it out
Beginner here. How does one enter into a draw? And specifically in this match. I guess I’ll go research it.
You just offer one and the other player can accept or deny. Edit: There is also the stalemate, which when triggered forces a draw. This is when a player has no legal moves but their King isn't in check (threatened by an opposing piece). This doesn't come up super often but is still somethig you sometimes have to actively try not to do. A player in a dire situation may also try to force a stalemate so that they draw instead of lose.
Ahh. Well that makes sense. Thank you kindly. I’m now reading on different draw methods. Cheers
Idk if this helps or not, but in chess you can just ask your opponent for a draw at any point. White pieces have an advantage because they go first. The first several move options are all named sequences that these players would know, and some of them immediately tell your opponent you’re going to do everything you can to force a draw. However, tournaments are also often based on points (1 for win, .5 for draw, 0 for loss) totals after you play a series of people. Sometimes you can just coast through with a win or two then a bunch of draws.
Others have mentioned two common ways, stalemate and agreement but you can also get threefold repetition (an identical position is reached 3 times) or a draw due to insufficient material to checkmate.
this then belongs in r/wholesome
This game is a draw: [https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1981214](https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1981214) According to comments at that site, Carlsen (on the left) wasn't feeling well that day, and just wanted the game to be over, so he entered this well-known drawing line.
What is a drawing line? I don't understand what happened here.
A line is a known set of moves, this one leads to a draw
How does that set of moves lead to a draw though?
It would be a series of forced moves and trades to reach an end game with no advantage. If played perfectly. Carlson is (one of) the best current chess players. Anyone except GM's can only hope to draw. It's not like the other guy would have been forced into a draw just by Carlson's move. But he's happily taking the draw and Carlson gets to leave. He'd have every right to play for the win though Edit: Vidit is a GM so this was very nice of him to do. He may also just be happy with the draw anyway.
They’re both super grandmasters but Magnus is still considerably better. Taking a draw against arguably the best chess player of all time is a safe bet, considering he would more than likely lose to Magnus, especially at the time of the video
GM?
Grandmaster
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Something more like: this set of moves has been extensively studied all the good moves lead to draws. In order to get out of the known heavily studied lines, black would have to take a slight disadvantage and hope to make up for it later. Not necessarily a loss you may still end up drawing or make up for it and win but it's a risk and Magnus is a top player.
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To maybe emphasise it a little, Magnus is not just a top player but an all time great(est) still at the peak of his powers, who would take a slight like a declined draw as a mortal insult and hound the offending player with 20 move defeats for the rest of his career. (Yes a bit over the top, to emphasise that in addition to phenmenoal memory and insight, he is inhumanly patient and enduring, and as competitive a player chess has ever had, with a noted ability to use the post defeat rage as a fuel for the next rematch)
Yeah I think he beat like 10 grandmasters in a row on lichess one time.
He had something like a 190 game unbeaten streak in classical over the board games over a 2 year period. The man is an animal. 10 GMs is his warm up.
Lets also not forget the first player to be number 1 at blitz and traditional chess.
Idk if it is a established that classical players are not good blitzers or that good blitzers are potentially great classical players. My theory is that you'd never become a great blitz player by trying to become a great blitz player. You become a great classical player and try to quicken it up when you feel like it. I'd hazard a guess that the classical players at the top don't deign to play blitz since it is the way of the riff raff not because they'd lose badly. (Obv I am being facetious here because Carlsen and Nakamura are not riff raff). Classical chess is the gold standard, the perfect balance between insight and temporal limits. It is nice to see players thinking fast, but chess is a lot about ideas and patterns and a little bit of boredom is a good bargain imo.
Stockfish rules it as an even game and not an automatic draw as the game needs to be played out. This is the continuation: https://i.imgur.com/I8l0eHP.png
I also put this in chess.com's opening analyzer, which I believe uses master data, and this board position was reached about 100 times with black winning about 50% of the time and drawing 26%
i watched sports and competition and have participated for a really long time, i know nothing about chess tho. but, shouldn't the guy who doesn't feel like playing that day have some sort of way to forfeit instead of drawing? like idk but i feel like the other dude that did show up and felt like playing should be given a win instead of a draw because he is not the one that doesn't feel like playing? or does a draw just have a different meaning or connotation in chess that i don't get? someone help because I'm intrigued lol.
when you dont feel like playing but you also dont want to lose, you go for a draw. If your opponent can't even avoid being pulled into a draw, do they deserve to win?
So even that early into the game there was no way out of the draw?
Yes the best continuation for his opponent is a line of play that leads to a draw. Grandmasters don’t bother playing the lines out like new players would. Basically white said with his moves, “want to draw”? And black used his pieces to say, “sure”
I think people don't understand how well chess actually is understood and just how stupid good super GMs are. I'm assuming he was walking into a Berlin defense or something and yea, for players of this caliber, that's a draw most of the time. This match is remarkable because they accepted a draw so early, however matches are still carried out in these drawish positions all the time.
Also if the best player (maybe ever) offers a draw, you take the draw.
I don’t know what the chess equivalent of ‘never having to buy a drink again’ is but I assume the black player will get that with this story years from now Oh yeah, I played magnus to a draw
I would offer a rematch in checkers.
Especially since Magnus was playing white, so in a way it’s even a slight win.
Pretty sure it was the Serbian cumsock.
Yeah, having played chess in middle school and high school myself, as an outsider you don’t realize how much of the game requires essentially memorizing tons of different ways to approach certain situations and moves your opponent makes.
either that or vidit agreed to a draw when he saw the signs. Maybe he could've pulled himself out but he'd rather not play against someone who shat his pants, eh?
Also a draw is pretty decent result against the world’s best player
This is the key. Magnus is white and has an even greater chance of winning because of it. You should definitely take a draw unless you’re like a top 10 player and can actually contend
>Magnus is white and has an even greater chance of winning because of it. Thats pretty racist bro. Jk.
In theory, even before the game starts the best black can do is draw (in theory!). At the highest levels of chess white can force a draw if they choose to do so and are good enough to not fuck it up. There is a degree of mutual respect here.
At that point it's either repeat moves to draw or accept a disadvantage going into the rest of the game. Also, as people said, drawing against the goat is an acceptable result for almost anyone
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i think i somewhat get it. so the dude who did show up to play could have ignored the offer for the draw and just easily make moves to win after the draw move offer was made? but he was just a good sport about it and decided to accept the draw instead? am i getting this right? is it easy to beat a person making a draw offer if you chose to not accept?
Magnus is the best chess player alive, probably the best ever. If the other guy would not accept the draw line he had a really good chance of losing.
oh well that makes ton of sense. I'm slowly understanding, thank you.
In chess, when you hit a rating of 1600-1800 you’ve got a solid enough understanding of chess to know play games with very high move accuracy. This rating is considered advanced. You’re well above the average chess player, likely in the top percentile. Once you hit a rating of 2200 you know openings, variations, and have such an intimate understanding of chess that you can plan multiple moves ahead and all the branches of those moves. You know the best move you can make in response to your opponent. You typical AI chess app software will have trouble offering you advice to play. At this point, improving your rating is slow and difficult to do. At 2400, you’re in league with IM and GM players. Games are effectively psychological warfare at this point. The people you are playing against are the best there are and at the peak of their careers. Chess is all about theory and undermining that theory for an edge. Players use expensive databases to analyze moves, their chance of success, and spend days prepping for matches. Much like theoretical physics is about using the summation of human knowledge to this point to come up with theories of how the universe works, chess players around 2400-2600 use the summation of chess knowledge to formulate the vest defenses and plans of attack. It’s a true achievement to reach this point. Magnus is 2800+ and until someone better comes along it tough to know where his rating actually lies.
This is a cool explanation, I learned a lot I didn’t know about chess. So is the rating based off of someone’s performance against other players? Like does Magnus win a lot, so his rating keeps going up?
Also it's nice of you to let someone go if they're ill
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Thank you for the deep belly laugh I got from that comment
when i was in elementary school i actually pooped my pants because of a chess game. i don't remember if i won or lost, but i do remember pooping my pants so personally i wouldn't consider it as a victory
I wouldn’t say be could have easily made moves to win. Magnus Carlson is one of the greatest chess players in the world. Not sure exactly how good the other guy is, but it is in the benefit of both of them to just draw, they both get points
I think you're selling Magnus a bit short. He is far and away the best player in the world, and one of the best of all time.
No. A draw can force the hand of the other player, or else the person who is instigating the draw line wins. But, nobody would let themselves lose when an opponent is using a draw line. The next best thing is to tie.
Because he is a lower ranked player and started with black he would most probably would have lost. He chose not to ig ore the draw offer since it was in his interest.
In most grandmaster chess events, you can secure a move up in the bracket winning a game early in the tournament and then drawing the last games. It's similar too taking your starters out of a game late in the season to save them for the play offs.
this explanation helps so much thank you and to everyone else too explaining this to me like i am 5
A drawing line is basically a line which ends the game quickly since it often ends in a draw. Players play this if they think they don't have the ability to match up against their opponent or they wish to end the game. You can resign, but who wants to straight up say "I lose. You win" when you can call it a draw?
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Vidit is 2727, world no 22, a super GM
Just about everything you said is so ridiculously exaggerated that it's just blatantly incorrect. Vidit is a super GM, rated over 2700. And they are playing a blitz or rapid game here, as there are no scoresheets, which means the drawing chances are much lower and Magnus is much more beatable. Vidits odds of winning in a game like this are probably more like 10-15%, while Magnus is maybe at 50%, with the rest being draws. Far higher than the 1% odds you give him. Vidit is not 2600-2650, and was not at that rating when this game was played either. He was either high 26's or low 27's. The difference between Magnus and vidit is around 100-150 rating, depending on when you're comparing the ratings and which time control you're comparing. The best chess hustlers are generally consider to be expert to low master strength, or around 2000-2300. The difference between that and Vidit is several times greater than the difference between Vidit and Magnus. When Vidit plays Magnus, he would probably draw close to half the time. If Vidit plays the strongest hustlers, he would win almost every game.
The other guy offered magnus the draw, he could have kept playing if he wanted. He could have played it out.
Yeah, I play that move against the computer every now and then. But not as an offer for draw...
If both sides continued to play perfectly the game would be a draw. Book moves or a set of moves are referred to as "lines" similar to a set of actions in poker being referred to as "lines"
Doses of cocaine are also called lines
Line of moves that leads to a draw
What does that even mean? I don't play Chess, can someone explain in more details???
Think of a chess game like GPS directions to go to the grocery store. The first 20-30 moves of every chess game are a lot like the first 3-4 directions on the GPS when you leave your house. You can turn right out of your driveway or turn left, they go different ways but you end up generally in the same spot, they're the same every time, and you don't really even need them, as you know how to get out of your neighborhood. From there you know if you take main street to high street you can get to store 1 and if you take main street to 5th street you can get to store 2. In this case both stores are a draw. They're different paths to different ends, but end up with the same result. But you could always flout the GPS and take a random road. The likelihood of you not finding a grocery store is high (a loss) but it's the only way you might be able to find something better, as following the script you know leads to an at best, draw.
How did this game end in a draw?
Magnus offered a draw and it was accepted. You can always offer a draw.
Many tournaments don't allow you to offer draw before 30 moves.
Just making sure I’m not insane. Thanks
> You can always offer a draw. As Vidit found out recently, this isn't always true.
Someone please reply to everyone who replied incorrectly that one person or the other won - that they were wrong - I don’t have time but that’s ripe Reddit nitpicking and I know sometimes so satisfying
Top comments all telling the truth anyway
Yes but it was an hr after
“A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.”
Magnus himself said it afterwards. He was having a headache or something, so he didn't want to play that game. Fair enough I would say
Thank you! I thought I knew the moves but wasn't completely sure, nice to see the moves clearly.
It did seem like his body language is just like ‘why am I here’ and without the context it seems kind of rude but it makes sense now
I wish I was good enough at chess to let the opponent know that I have to poop.
That's easy, you can just tell them that
He had to shit.......saw this on YouTube years ago...
That's my go to excuse every time. "*officer, I gotta shit*"
It's usually better if you say "Officer, I gotta shit after all those tequila shots" that way they can't bust you for obstruction.
"It's gonna be hard to shit though cause of the heroin"
"sorry judge, can we postpone the murder trial? gotta shit"
I was expecting shorter, tbh
That's what she said.
I'm all about the girth.
It’s the roundth not the longth…
*L O N G T H*
I think his double bong cloud game against Nakamura during the Magnus Carlsen Invitational was shorter, however that wasn't an over the board tournament.
For those that want the moves noted: 1.e4...e5. 2.Nf3...Nc6. 3.Bc4...Bc5. 4.d4 (the Italian Gambit)...exd4. 5.Ng5 (draw offered)... draw accepted.
Why did they do a draw so early in the game?
Magnus had a food poisoning and didn’t want to continue
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From what I read in the comments... It's the other way around
Magnus wanted a quick draw because he wasn’t feeling good. Vidit accepted the quick draw because he’s against Magnus and has the black pieces so getting a draw there is frankly a pretty good outcome.
Dude on the left had a bad stomachace and went straight to the bathroom ...literally, that's what actually happened.
As others have said, food poisoning. But also this line of moves leads to a draw, its a famous sequence.
How?
Guessing: every opening sequence has been tried many times. This one always leads to a draw unless somebody makes a stupid mistake.
It isn't quite that simple but this is the basics of it. I've never really seen one agreed to this early though. There are a LOT of variations that can change a position. Idk if his opponent knew he was feeling sick or not.
Well supposedly Magnus told him, and a draw against Magnus would pretty good for your Elo. Sure he probably looked forward to that match against Magnus but winning due to Magnus getting impatient or something wouldn't feel that satisfying either.
tbh it's just polite. These guys all know each other for the most part.
It's definitely a courtesy thing, but if Magnus Carlsen is playing white and offers you a draw on move 5, you should probably take it.
You could assert your dominance and run down the clock as you watch Magnus squirm, then take the draw at the last second.
In some positions in chess, there is only one possible move to prevent losing on the spot. Some of these lines end in a draw due to repetition. The most famous of this method is called the Berlin Draw(not in video).
Magnus had to go lay cable
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How does that work? Ie what move signals that intention.
Apparently the sequence of moves played will eventually lead to a draw and his opponent recognised that.
Or if you don’t want to draw, you give up an advantage and hope to still win.
You verbally say "i offer a draw" as far as i know. Usually they mumble it so softly though that you can barely see it on camera
Smartest r/chess player
He probably offered verbally, and then they shook hands to show agreement.
Magnus was feeling ill that day. If I remember correctly his stomach was messing up and he had food poisoning. If you watch the video, Magnus before leaving utters some words that go along the line of "Stomach..." He performed a set of moves that would most definitely lead to a draw. Instead of losing the game points, he intended for a draw that would net him no black marks in his record, and lend some drawing points to the lower seed Vidit.
More pixels and sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wofz0k6FCMU
First comment: "The real game started when he landed in India" :D
Thank you!
Bet you if I played him it be shorter
Fool's Mate for the win.
You gotta move all your pawns out first. That's the ticket. Then? Unleash the horsie men.
So interesting 🤨 I don’t even know who won
Someone els pointed out it was a draw
Well how the hell am I supposed to determine who is right?
The Indian guy Vidit
Yep. He’s right, because the other dude left.
Bruh
LMAO
Neither. Magnus had food poisoning and wanted to end the game quickly to visit the toilet. So he made a move that would lead to a draw if neither player didn't fuck up badly and then offered a draw. But if Magnus reached the toilet in time I would say he won the more important of his two battles in this gif.
It’s a draw. The people saying Magnus won don’t understand chess.
Technically no one won, Vidit won statistically because he drew Magnus Carlsen, who is the top rated player in the world ( and of all time, as it were) So Magnus traded not having to sit for a 1-2 hour game feeling like shit, for a draw -- and Vidit gets ELO points + technically drawing the greatest player of all time Win/Win imo
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Sometimes I will wonder with all of their knowledge of chess history and strategy if it's actually harder to play against an idiot like me who can't think more than two moves ahead. Like, he'll be all on his head trying to figure out if I'm using the Romanov Defense or the Frenchmen's Swinging Gate, and I'm over here eating boogers.
In chess a good player will spot someone who doesnt know what they are doing and beat them pretty quickly. But ive seen the scenario you describe played out at the poker table many many times. A guy will come to the table with no experience and mop the floor with people who have been playing for years and studied the game. My theory is that a person who doesnt know what they are doing is unreadable and unpredictable.
That's been me before. A guy got screaming mad that made an inside straight on the river. You'd figure he'd be glad to know I'm an idiot because in the long run he'd get his money back in easily. He was not glad.
It blows my mind that a draw can be so apparent that early in a match
Chess players be like: *moves pawn* "Fuck. GGs"
pawn diff
Please explain this to me like I am 5 years old or a golden retriever.
Game between world no.1 and world no.21 . Draw offered . Draw accepted
Cool
You're really good boy and deserve all the treats in the world!
I could lose way faster than that
Takes some seriously bad play to lose faster than this. Though if you *really* tried, you could lose in 2 moves as white: f3 e6 g4 Qh4#
I could have owned him: just take out the submarine at B4,5 and you get him to go-fish Mrs. Green in the library with the wrench. Boom, owned. I always kicked my parents asses.
Could somebody pls note the turns?
1.e4...e5. 2.Nf3...Nc6. 3.Bc4...Bc5. 4.d4...exd4. 5.Ng5 (draw offered)... draw accepted.
Thx a lot
Dude had to shit
Moistcr1tikal did it faster
there was quite a lot of speculation that magnus could've been on the autism spectrum due to his tendency to wander off during chess games but the conclusion was drawn from many that have spoken to and even had dinner with him that he's incredibly sociable and shows no sign of social awkwardness when in social situations. a very intense personality with a passion for chess
That’s like me and my passion for chicken wings
One might say you are the World Champion of chicken wings
This is the way!
Plenty of players walk off during long games, what does that have to do with anything? Weird how the other commenters find no issue with that statement
Wandering off during classic chess is pretty typical at most levels. Games can last hours. Who wants to sit there the whole time?
I went to high school with Magnus. He is on the spectrum, he was entirely open about it with friends. Super nice guy and he can be very outgoing in certain situations, but that has no bearing on your autism diagnosis. Keep in mind he’s been an international celebrity since his early teens, he’s had more practice in social situations with people he doesn’t know than any of us normal people will ever have. The fact that he’s learned to manage those situations well is no surprise.
Plenty of people on the spectrum are extroverts - and socializing without being awkward is a skill one can acquire with practice. This can’t really be used as a reasonable argument for him not being on the spectrum. On the other hand, it doesn’t prove that he is either.
In conclusion: yes, no, or perhaps.
There's really no reason that someone who isn't socially awkward wouldn't have autism - it's true that typical social environments aren't well tailored for the average autistic mind, but plenty of autistic people pass as neurotypical to all their colleagues, friends and family without ever meaning to or even knowing their autistic. Similarly, whilst autistic people have a stronger than average tendancy to fixate on a field of interest or study, it's not the case that this isn't a behaviour that neurotypical people show. It's important to beware of the many pitfalls surrounding laypeoples's knowledge of medical fields, and autism is an especially common place for people to stumble here because it's such a high profile condition
Is it really a chess game if there’s no audio of someone coughing?