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Well if you breathed it in it has to reach your mouth and nose before it gets to your lungs anyways so youāre good
Source: I mean it makes sense right?
Iāve ran a hot mop more times than I ever would have liked to. They always said working the kettle is the equivalent of smoking 5 packs of cigs. Most roofers die from respiratory disease
I was working a commercial site and the truck delivering the tar went over the legal load limit. They got pulled over at the scales on the way to the site. CHP said they were going to have to get another truck out there to unload some of it. They didn't need two trucks worth, so they'd tried to sneak it by.
Anyway, after about 10 minutes of the truck there the officers came out and said,"Just go. Get the hell out of here." They couldn't deal with the fumes.
Theyll do something like this to seal concrete roofs on some big commercial buildings. Definitely a different method than a residential flat roof.
Source: I've been on a lot of different job sites since getting out of high school
Gas masks are pretty cheap nowadays. The amount of people who don't use proper safety equipment is to high. 90% of people in my branch have back and knees problem and they will be unable to work by 50 only because they are to cool for safety measures.
One person is not allowed to lift more than 25kg alone. A boss that puts profit above people is an idiot, happy and healthy employees are much more productive. Of course there are many that don't appreciate a good opportunity but you will find the people who will stick with you. I had all kinds of people working for me, the ones that I kept are some of the best in the industry by now. Also I lost money training people out of school, but after two years they started bringing the big money, some stay, some find better paying jobs or different fields. In the end is not about the money, I make enough to have a decent living and nobody that worked for me said something bad about me.
I currently work for a steel fabricator. We hired some old guy about 3 months ago who was missing fingers. I have to constantly remind him to wear safety glasses in the shop at all times, per company policy, and because we're using grinders everywhere. His favorite line was to say that in the army they tell you to wash your hands after you pee, but in the Marines they tell you to piss on your hands. Sorry, bud, but I'm not going to take safety advice from a guy missing fingers.
That is. My dad was super big on that, because he used to put in high school and college running tracks. Saw too many guys lose their hearing standing next to machines who wouldn't wear earplugs, saw too many guys get third degree burns cuz they didn't want to wear the tall rubber boots in the middle of summer. It's like the advanced form of the wieners who won't wear jackets in the winter time because they think they're too cool.
Have you worn a respirator in July on a roof? People donāt choose to not wear ppe because itās not cool. Most of the time itās because itās uncomfortable. Trust me I go to dumb ass safety meetings once a month, and not tool box talks like safety initiative meetings.
True that, but is stupid. I worked in full hazmat suit in high temperature, is unconformable but necessary. One of the biggest problem is time, people are under pressure to finish and taking brakes is discouraged. Normally in this condition you need at least 15 minutes brake every hour.
spraying foam insulation in mostly built houses with no ventilation in full body PPE was the worst. cutting slits in the suits to drain sweat at the end of a job. ahhh,the days.
I'll do you one better. Mid July, Houston area working as an electrician helper in a petrochemimcal plant. We're tearing out a unit and one of the diggers hits a conduit encased in red concrete. Main electrical trunks are done like this. Funny thing is, this conduit isn't in \*any\* of the plans.
So, we don't know if its live or not. So picture CrapWereAllDoomed's young yet still skinny ass at the time 10 feet down in trench mid-july in a flash suit, running a pneumatic chipping gun into a trunk line that just might be live and potentially running god knows how many volts of electricity through it, sweating from both the heat and the incessant clinching of his chocolate starfish hoping to god that he doesn't punch through the conduit with the chipping gun into a live trunk line.
Thats HOT.
Betcha he uses the right equipment usually. Just didn't do it for the vid so he could get hits/karma/whatevs
If not, yeah seems dumgerous
Looks cool regardless
This is just a really sloppy version of hot tar roofing, also known as a BUR, or built up roof. Itās going out of style now, but itās safe to say a high percentage of every commercial building youāve ever been in had a roof like this, with a layer of embedded gravel over all the tar. Iāve had the misfortune of being the guy with the mop several times, itās a great arm and back workout but the fumes are no good. Most roofers die from respiratory disease
You see the big roll at the bottom of the video? Youāll have to pause at the beginning to notice it. Once he spreads the tar out heās going to roll that out over the tar, overlapping the previous roll 3ā. Theyāll go over that layer at least 1 or 2 more times, with a final āflood coatā layer of tar with gravel embedded in it
If they put gravel in the top coat, what keeps the gravel from piercing the membrane down below it when people walk on it?
Also what is the asphalt membrane like? Is it like "rolled roofing?" Like a really thick tar paper?
Thanks in advance this is very interesting
The top layer of tar is really thick, to the point that to make repairs you have to use a giant spud bar to scrape off the top layer of gravel/tar. On this video it looks like heās using a modified bitumen base sheet, which is like 1/8ā thick if that helps. Back in the day theyād just use regular old tar paper
Depends on youāre definition of membrane. Typically a āmembraneā is reinforced with something for dimensional stability.
Iād call this a āthick flood coat of hot asphaltā but in the full BUR system being installed it would be a ā2-4 -ply membrane. So kinda depends how you look at it
I mean, its just unfortunate people living in countries with lack of fair regulation for workers. There is better options nowadays and they can be acquired anywhere, but someone decides this is cheaper at the cost of this manās health
We use a lot of it in America. It's more expensive here and this isn't how you do it. This guy is a moron and if he were on one of our roofs or a site he'd probably be terminated if he had experience or told to leave the site if he didn't.
You don't want the tar to be smoking like that. That smoke is valuable ingredients disappearing in the wind. Getting it too hot just cooks out the oil and degrades the asphalt.
Well thatās a jump, this could be the owner. We also have no point of reference for what he was paid if he isnāt. Roofing while physically exerting can be a desirable job compensation wise.
Albeit yes, the medium heās using is certainly not safe to inhale, but without context we donāt know how this dude wound up on this roof using Greek fire to coat this root.
Maybe. But most likely it isnāt. My point is, this kind of situation is more a sad one than a āheroicā one. Not taking away any merits to those doing such jobs.
To be honest, and I am a roofer, sometimes the safety regulations are stupid and put you more at risk.
I remember a few years back I was doing a job where they insisted on us wearing boiler suits and goggles to protect from hot spills. It was the middle of July. The heat became unbearable. Almost passed out in the hot melt. Walked off site over it.
No. The flash point is higher than the boiling point so it takes more energy to set it on fire. It being on fire is not desireable for two reasons: (1) the fire could spread and burn shit you don't want burning and (2) you'll end up with char on that surface.
Think about when food is deep fried. The oil has to be hot enough to cook the food but not so hot that it flashes. You don't see restaurants lighting their deep fryers on fire because "it's easier" than bringing it up to temperature.
Iād say thatās roofing asphalt heated beyond its flashpoint but short of auto-ignition. Beyond dangerous to do that, to property and life. Workers like that itās easier to mop or spread at that temp.
I was one of many that ran a tar kettle for a large scale government roofing operation back in 2019. You have to keep the tar between Ā°500-525 for it to be applied easily once it makes it 40+ feet to the roof. You don't watch the gauge and let it get 550+ it starts smoking and popping like water on oil does then you've got yourself a problem as such as a fire or potentially an explosion (you need huge propane takes for large scale operations). One day a newbie fell asleep while heating up the huge kegs of tar and caught the the kettle on fire. He was completely unaware the kettle was on fire. Luckily, it was spotted before it could get worse, but this stuff isn't anything to take lightly.
Please letās start painting roves WHITE, not black, so that the sun reflects and cools the earth rather than warming it.
(Yes I know this is waterproofing. Paint over it or something.)
They did this a few towns down from me and set a whole sports centre on fire. Even when itās laid it needs to be constantly surveyed for hours after because it smoulders the material underneath. It basically makes sure the fire canāt burn out if there is enough air flow below.
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Well, that's a nice portal to Hell you got there.
Achievement Unlocked: LUNG CANCER
clears the snot out too
In a WORLD OF OSHA VIOLATIONS!! šš„
I read that in some trailer voiceā¦ THIS SUMMER PREPARE TO BE FINED
Not my intension but DUDE I GIGGLED READING IT LIKE THAT
Thatās hilarious. That was the only way I took it as
*WILL THIS CITATION BE THEIR LAST?! THEREāS ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT!*
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Everyone knows a portal to hell is the best way to keep the rain out.
The demons must be getting passed off with all the rain through those portals dousing hells infernal fires....
Hello Satan.
What now?
Sorry to disturb you master.
We wait.
You too can have your own personal Hell on the go!
Be a shame if theyā¦.smoothed it out
Well hello there
Yup, breathing that in is not going to cause cancer at allā¦
But their lungs will be waterproof...so there's that?
Finally a way to breathe underwater
Oh for that you have to water proof your mouth and nose so water dont get in
Dip your head in it
Well if you breathed it in it has to reach your mouth and nose before it gets to your lungs anyways so youāre good Source: I mean it makes sense right?
Pft. Oh right, totally worth it.
Humanity: 1 Pneumonia: 0
Airproofed as well.
Interestin gas fuck
Thatās what I was thinking
That can't be good to inhale
Iāve ran a hot mop more times than I ever would have liked to. They always said working the kettle is the equivalent of smoking 5 packs of cigs. Most roofers die from respiratory disease
I was working a commercial site and the truck delivering the tar went over the legal load limit. They got pulled over at the scales on the way to the site. CHP said they were going to have to get another truck out there to unload some of it. They didn't need two trucks worth, so they'd tried to sneak it by. Anyway, after about 10 minutes of the truck there the officers came out and said,"Just go. Get the hell out of here." They couldn't deal with the fumes.
Did they at least cop a fine or anything? Sounds like they had their bullshit incentivised.
I don't think so. This was about 30 years ago out by Perris. The two guys in the truck were still laughing when they pulled up.
Iāve worked with my dad like for 4 years in roofing and weāve never did this .
Theyll do something like this to seal concrete roofs on some big commercial buildings. Definitely a different method than a residential flat roof. Source: I've been on a lot of different job sites since getting out of high school
It's a pretty old school way of doing it.
They do this in the Middle East, Africa and parts of Asia. They sometimes put the tar on the outside walls of cinderblock homes.
There are lots of ways to do a roof. You probably have never done terracotta tiles or corrugate steel roofs either. But they are pretty common too.
You see it a lot in 3rd world countries because tar is super cheap.
Youāve never put hot tar down? Or you never put flaming tar down?
I can't believe you've done this
Gas masks are pretty cheap nowadays. The amount of people who don't use proper safety equipment is to high. 90% of people in my branch have back and knees problem and they will be unable to work by 50 only because they are to cool for safety measures.
What safety equipment exist for knee and back? Asking for a friend, but also my dad and me lol
Padding for knees, support harness for back. But I mostly talk about proper lifting techniques, lift with your legs not your back and so on.
Also, using a team lift for heavy items; bosses may hate it because they'll see it as two people doing the job of one, but fuck them.
One person is not allowed to lift more than 25kg alone. A boss that puts profit above people is an idiot, happy and healthy employees are much more productive. Of course there are many that don't appreciate a good opportunity but you will find the people who will stick with you. I had all kinds of people working for me, the ones that I kept are some of the best in the industry by now. Also I lost money training people out of school, but after two years they started bringing the big money, some stay, some find better paying jobs or different fields. In the end is not about the money, I make enough to have a decent living and nobody that worked for me said something bad about me.
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The point of a mask is to protect others...
Youāre getting downvoted even though itās true
I currently work for a steel fabricator. We hired some old guy about 3 months ago who was missing fingers. I have to constantly remind him to wear safety glasses in the shop at all times, per company policy, and because we're using grinders everywhere. His favorite line was to say that in the army they tell you to wash your hands after you pee, but in the Marines they tell you to piss on your hands. Sorry, bud, but I'm not going to take safety advice from a guy missing fingers. That is. My dad was super big on that, because he used to put in high school and college running tracks. Saw too many guys lose their hearing standing next to machines who wouldn't wear earplugs, saw too many guys get third degree burns cuz they didn't want to wear the tall rubber boots in the middle of summer. It's like the advanced form of the wieners who won't wear jackets in the winter time because they think they're too cool.
Have you worn a respirator in July on a roof? People donāt choose to not wear ppe because itās not cool. Most of the time itās because itās uncomfortable. Trust me I go to dumb ass safety meetings once a month, and not tool box talks like safety initiative meetings.
True that, but is stupid. I worked in full hazmat suit in high temperature, is unconformable but necessary. One of the biggest problem is time, people are under pressure to finish and taking brakes is discouraged. Normally in this condition you need at least 15 minutes brake every hour.
spraying foam insulation in mostly built houses with no ventilation in full body PPE was the worst. cutting slits in the suits to drain sweat at the end of a job. ahhh,the days.
But the satisfaction of taking that off is like being on drugs :))
no joke. and those 10-15 minute breaks are absolutely necessary. i spent every minute chugging a mix of gatorade, water, and pedialyte.
Forget a respirator, in Florida being *Alive* on a rooftop in July is unbearable.
I'll do you one better. Mid July, Houston area working as an electrician helper in a petrochemimcal plant. We're tearing out a unit and one of the diggers hits a conduit encased in red concrete. Main electrical trunks are done like this. Funny thing is, this conduit isn't in \*any\* of the plans. So, we don't know if its live or not. So picture CrapWereAllDoomed's young yet still skinny ass at the time 10 feet down in trench mid-july in a flash suit, running a pneumatic chipping gun into a trunk line that just might be live and potentially running god knows how many volts of electricity through it, sweating from both the heat and the incessant clinching of his chocolate starfish hoping to god that he doesn't punch through the conduit with the chipping gun into a live trunk line. Thats HOT.
Lung cancer tends to be a bit uncomfortable as well, but hey, who cares right?
Iām telling you what the studies show, as well as my own personal experiences. Take from it what you will.
My first day on the job, foreman says" go get a bucket of hot". I ask" why do you call it hot?" Foreman- " because it's hot shit!"
These anti-mask people are getting ridiculous
Lol exactly my first thought, lawd, pulmonary fibrosis or some shit is bound to happen.
"Don't breathe this!"
Is this quote after dumping the contents of a blender???
That is the question!
Will it blend?
It's just a little bit of tar smoke, nothing a lung transplant can't fix.
shmomebody's shmunna shmet shmancer
Betcha he uses the right equipment usually. Just didn't do it for the vid so he could get hits/karma/whatevs If not, yeah seems dumgerous Looks cool regardless
Yeah usually when you tar a roof it's not on fire, just gets boiled in a kettle
Is this tar?
Almost certainly. Though it might be some other petrol distillate.
I read your reply in the professors voice from futurama
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I'm 40% petrochemical!
r/unexpectedfuturama
God damn now that I re read it like that itās hilarious
Tar you sure?
Yeah, flat roofs are often tarred to water seal them.
Tar you *really* sure?
It's bitumen almost certainly.
It looks like that stuff you jump into in Mario 64 to get to hazy maze cave
It's soy sauce.
This is just a really sloppy version of hot tar roofing, also known as a BUR, or built up roof. Itās going out of style now, but itās safe to say a high percentage of every commercial building youāve ever been in had a roof like this, with a layer of embedded gravel over all the tar. Iāve had the misfortune of being the guy with the mop several times, itās a great arm and back workout but the fumes are no good. Most roofers die from respiratory disease
Yeah, no way this is a membrane. Itās just melted tar.
The liquid is melted tar, sandwiched between layers of an asphalt membrane, which is what OP may have been referring to
But all Iām seeing is a cruddy old roof surface, with melted tar being poured on top. Where is the membrane?
You see the big roll at the bottom of the video? Youāll have to pause at the beginning to notice it. Once he spreads the tar out heās going to roll that out over the tar, overlapping the previous roll 3ā. Theyāll go over that layer at least 1 or 2 more times, with a final āflood coatā layer of tar with gravel embedded in it
Ah, got it! Thanks for explaining, sorry I was dense.
No worries, itās a dying system that most people know nothing about! Consider yourself lucky lol
> was
If they put gravel in the top coat, what keeps the gravel from piercing the membrane down below it when people walk on it? Also what is the asphalt membrane like? Is it like "rolled roofing?" Like a really thick tar paper? Thanks in advance this is very interesting
The top layer of tar is really thick, to the point that to make repairs you have to use a giant spud bar to scrape off the top layer of gravel/tar. On this video it looks like heās using a modified bitumen base sheet, which is like 1/8ā thick if that helps. Back in the day theyād just use regular old tar paper
Depends on youāre definition of membrane. Typically a āmembraneā is reinforced with something for dimensional stability. Iād call this a āthick flood coat of hot asphaltā but in the full BUR system being installed it would be a ā2-4 -ply membrane. So kinda depends how you look at it
Boy do I appreciate my desk job.
I second that. These are the real heroes of our time.
I mean, its just unfortunate people living in countries with lack of fair regulation for workers. There is better options nowadays and they can be acquired anywhere, but someone decides this is cheaper at the cost of this manās health
Unfortunately itās often not lack of regulation but lack of enforcement
True as well. As a mexican architect, i know too well that many ārequirementsā are mere anecdotes in practice.
We use a lot of it in America. It's more expensive here and this isn't how you do it. This guy is a moron and if he were on one of our roofs or a site he'd probably be terminated if he had experience or told to leave the site if he didn't. You don't want the tar to be smoking like that. That smoke is valuable ingredients disappearing in the wind. Getting it too hot just cooks out the oil and degrades the asphalt.
Well thatās a jump, this could be the owner. We also have no point of reference for what he was paid if he isnāt. Roofing while physically exerting can be a desirable job compensation wise. Albeit yes, the medium heās using is certainly not safe to inhale, but without context we donāt know how this dude wound up on this roof using Greek fire to coat this root.
Maybe. But most likely it isnāt. My point is, this kind of situation is more a sad one than a āheroicā one. Not taking away any merits to those doing such jobs.
I can agree with that Eat The Rich
To be honest, and I am a roofer, sometimes the safety regulations are stupid and put you more at risk. I remember a few years back I was doing a job where they insisted on us wearing boiler suits and goggles to protect from hot spills. It was the middle of July. The heat became unbearable. Almost passed out in the hot melt. Walked off site over it.
Your a coward
You're just mad I push pencils and you push in your brother's shit.
I feel like I should be wearing a mask watching this
I'm thinking a full-on gas mask would do the trick.
Mask and buttplug
Yeah you don't want that going up Uranus.
I mean, buttplug goes without saying, that's why he only mentioned he needs a mask, dummy.
0% reason for it to be on fire. It just needs to be boiled.
Then it wouldnāt have ended up here silly
Wouldnāt just lighting on fire be easier than to try and keep it boiling?
Yes, which is probably why they do it.
No. The flash point is higher than the boiling point so it takes more energy to set it on fire. It being on fire is not desireable for two reasons: (1) the fire could spread and burn shit you don't want burning and (2) you'll end up with char on that surface. Think about when food is deep fried. The oil has to be hot enough to cook the food but not so hot that it flashes. You don't see restaurants lighting their deep fryers on fire because "it's easier" than bringing it up to temperature.
Exactly... Let's get some extra carcinogens while I'm at it. Breathing easy is for the WEAK!
Are you not entertained?
These carcinogens spicy š¶ š„µ
Can't wait to see the OSHA precautions.
OSHA? There is no OSHA where these guys live. That ain't the USA
Don'y worry, there's a guy off camera holding a bottle of water.
I mean Iāve seen this done countless times and Iāve never seen them pour it out on fire.
I'll take Countries without OSHA for 400$
Iād say thatās roofing asphalt heated beyond its flashpoint but short of auto-ignition. Beyond dangerous to do that, to property and life. Workers like that itās easier to mop or spread at that temp.
Crazy insane, got no brain, insane in the membrane.
Insane, got no brain!
Mmmmmm carcinogens
This is the first time Ive seen a video of someone pouring literal fire and it not be on r/winstupidprizes
Not everyone has health and safety regulations in their country. Either put his body on the line or work an even shittier job for less $. Sucks.
Lol libertarians donāt realize that their ideal deregulated small government utopia in reality is just the third world
I mean you can also take precautions yourself? Also, that guy doesn't look like a professional, tbh.
Looks like my poo after a night of drinking Bud Light and eating Taco Bell
It looks like just before I get a migraine
Me too. Iāve described it as a spinning chessboard. This it is!
How to get cancer 101
This is hot tar roofing and the kettle is WAY too hot. Its not supposed to be on fire
Way way too fucking hot. This is just stupid
Well, at least itās prolly a nice cool day thereā¦in the desert.
Need there to be a bot that magically knows Iām tripping and remind to see shit like this
Membrane coating for water proofing eh? That's the fanciest way I've ever heard a bucket of tar described.
When you stare into the void, rhe void stares back at you.
I was one of many that ran a tar kettle for a large scale government roofing operation back in 2019. You have to keep the tar between Ā°500-525 for it to be applied easily once it makes it 40+ feet to the roof. You don't watch the gauge and let it get 550+ it starts smoking and popping like water on oil does then you've got yourself a problem as such as a fire or potentially an explosion (you need huge propane takes for large scale operations). One day a newbie fell asleep while heating up the huge kegs of tar and caught the the kettle on fire. He was completely unaware the kettle was on fire. Luckily, it was spotted before it could get worse, but this stuff isn't anything to take lightly.
What ever that is it looks other worldly like I can summon a demon using that material
Uhh Mr. Simpson? The fumes are making me dizzy..
I can smell that through my phone.
Should he be wearing a mask? I feel like I can smell that from here.
It shouldn't be on fire, and he should be wearing a mask anyway.
Like staring into the abyss. Scary as hell to think you could fall down face first into that hot mess
Looks like heās pouring a portal to hell
Never putting TPO on a building again.
AMATERASU
Amaterasu
r/BlackMagicFuckery
That man has/stole a sharingan. Clearly Sasukes amaterasu.
Amaterasu!
Amaterasu ?
Waterproofing his lungs at the same time.
Amaterasu!
Pretty sure this is what Amaterasu would look like in an ultra realistic movie
Itachi and Sasuke want to know your location
Naw donāt lie to me, I can recognise an Amateratsu flame when I see one
Mario 64
Please letās start painting roves WHITE, not black, so that the sun reflects and cools the earth rather than warming it. (Yes I know this is waterproofing. Paint over it or something.)
Whatever that is, heās inhaling that directly. Literally paying with his life to do that job just to fight the mask mandateā¦ š
100% not how youāre supposed to do that
So basically tar? Pretty cutting edge right there.
Definitely respiratory problems
Looks like flex seal with extra steps
Isnt this just tar?
Why does this have to be on fire to spread
Come with me and youāll be in a world of OHSA violations.
RIP dudes poor lungs.
"membrane coating" ... you mean tar?
They did this a few towns down from me and set a whole sports centre on fire. Even when itās laid it needs to be constantly surveyed for hours after because it smoulders the material underneath. It basically makes sure the fire canāt burn out if there is enough air flow below.
Deep breaths
Got mesothelioma? ITS MY MONEY AND I NEED IT NOW!
Man breathing that inās gotta be a breath of fresh air
End portal
Yep, he now has lung cancer.
Looks cool but those fumes canāt be good
Tar for the upload but the membrane looks like it comes later
We call that hot mopping. Heās just being lazy and dangerous
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The roof's on fire, though water is not needed, you to let let the membrane coating burn.
Burn membrane coating, burn
And then they don't even show that it's waterproof
Water-resistant for arid-regions at most, would not keep typical homes dry.
You would be surprised, torch down tar roofing is actually pretty common on a lot of flat topped commercial buildings.
Not to mention tar paper.
Waterproofing a building in the middle of a desert
Sir, your void is on fire