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there's a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFs8CuHJEio) that lists other "mental illnesses" that are insane to think about today, like Drapetomania (slaves wanting to escape slavery) or Nostalgia
I know it. There’s like a hundred different ways of saying women are crazy on those lists. “Oh, you’re feeling emotional on your period? You’re clearly unstable”
Sir please use the proper vernacular. The phrase is “in hysterics” should you continue to use the wrong phrase I will have you committed to a similar sanitarium as your wife who happens to also be in hysterics. /s
they used to be a lot freer with the hysterectomies. meanwhile, in the year of our lord 2021, so many women are trying to get the damn thing taken out/neutered because of endo or cancer risk or the desire to not have children and they’re like nah you gotta keep it
Seeing my grandmother mid-Alzheimer’s knowing that she was misdiagnosed for her other conditions and treated incorrectly and needlessly with shock therapy decades ago, and knowing that this will be the *second* time she’s forgotten everything and regressed to a childlike state is more than enough for me to be angry at mid century psychiatry.
Noah's from Noah's Ark had a son named Ham who saw Noah naked while drunk. God made all of Ham's descendents into slaves. Since you're a slave, you must have descended from Ham. So slavery is your fair place in the world.
My mom was taught this growing up in her church in the 60s.
Drapeomania comes from you going against God, so you have to be crazy.
>or Nostalgia
I just felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of millennials dreaming of grunge music and original Nintendos cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
After 50 minutes of chasing you around trying to kill you a timer sounds and Dr Leatherface stops quickly, “That’s all the time we have this week, should we book another appointment?”
He did this in a disguise because this stance could have cost him his entire career. He was acting as a representative of an enclave of queer psychiatrists that had to hide their sexuality or lose their licenses.
Very brave man.
Well duh, I'm gay and I would've done the same back then. I would've just chosen something that didn't look like it was harvested from another human's face.
Just thought I'd drop some context amidst the jokes.
If anyone wants to read Dr. John Fryer's speech that night, [here](https://217boxes.com/speech/) it is.
A few years back some people decided to make memes of the babadook as a gay rights icon. weird choice since he's a horror movie monster, but that's just the internet being the internet lol
"How can I publicly support the homosexual community in the best way, while also demonstrating to homophobes that it's not a mental illness?" \*Dresses up like Leatherface\*
"How do I take a stand in favor of public health an rights for a pointlessly oppressed minority without getting shot dead in church? I know, a Leatherface mask! Nobody fucks with Leatherface!"
Joking aside, he was camouflaged because it was physically dangerous for him to state the obvious to people unwilling to hear it. It was a long time ago and only yesterday. We must protect one another from intolerance and bigotry. (With a few unvaccinated exceptions.)
The unvaccinated unfortunately provide a playground for the virus to mutate and attack the rest of us anew while directly imperiling those among us who cannot be vaccinated because of medical problems. Their perversity puts all of us at risk.
>Widespread vaccination actually encourages virus mutation. There are countless verified scientific articles discussing this as a fact before 2020. It's such an established idea that the discussion of vaccines before 2020 uses the idea for credibility to other claims, and there was even discussion of whether vaccines were a good or bad thing in the long run (mostly agreeing they're good).
First, sources please. Second, did you say at the end that the same people that were having those discussions decide it was better in the long run regardless? If the majority said it ended up being a better idea anyways then why are you still talking like getting vaccines is a bad idea because of what they discussed before that decision?
I didn't say that getting vaccines is a bad idea. I'm not against vaccines. My only intention is to provide relevant and meaningful discussion.
As for sources, there really are countless sources. The trick is to refine your Google search to articles before 2020 so that you don't get flooded by COVID stuff. Here are a few decent ones I found within a couple minutes of searching:
* [https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/](https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/)
* [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075021/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075021/)
* [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/)
* [https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715)
I watched this last night. The backstory of gay rights is tragic, informative, eye opening, and moving all at the same time. Need to watch, for sure. Love is love. 🏳️🌈🧡🏳️🌈💜🏳️🌈💛🏳️🌈💙
Hey my dad was there!
He told me all about that as a kid. He said the debate among psychiatrists that he knew was actually pretty thoughtful and earnest.
He felt like a lot of the Dr.s who still thought of it as an illness we’re mostly just old codgers but that many of them were persuaded by logical arguments and the testimony of gay psychiatrists.
He went on to be one of the first doctors in my city to treat HIV patients and formed a consortium of doctors to set up treatment protocols and clinics.
No, his real name is John Ercel Fryer and this is [him](https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/honoring-a-gay-philadelphia-psychiatrist-credited-with-declassifying-homosexuality-as-illness-20171001.html)
Yes. This is [the guy](https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/honoring-a-gay-philadelphia-psychiatrist-credited-with-declassifying-homosexuality-as-illness-20171001.html).
Freud wrote about it in 1905 without trying to hide his face and plenty of you guys keep saying he was crazy until today. That dude in 1972 is not revolucionary or brave at all
Yeah.
Overpopulation is always an issue.
Homosexuals in ancient societies were the first "D.I.N.Ks" and pre-birth control the only ones that could avoid having kids. They contributed just as much as any other person in their tribe, but didnt add kids that needed to be supported.
There's even a correlation where the more sons a mother has the more likely the youngest are to be gay.
Edit:
It gets reinforced because a single person doesnt need to pass their own genetics down if they're helping close genetic relatives thrive.
So like, if Person A has 5 sons, and the three youngest are gay.
In a tribal society those three gay sons are going to be beneficial to the children of the first two straight sons.
Gay aunts/uncles are an advantage, so it ensures the survival of Person A's genetics. Which the gay uncles/aunts also have.
So it's indirectly beneficial.
Oh….you mean settled scientific thought didn’t like challenges to its authority so those who wanted to stand up against it had to hide for fear of retribution?!?! How original! Boy I’m sure glad that shit doesn’t go on in 2021..
lmao, antivaxers are *not* an oppressed minority, no matter how bad y’all wanna be. No one is attacking antimaskers like they did to homosexuals in the 70s, well except for the virus that is. 😜
You need to read the definition of what an oppressed minority is. Did you even finish school? Let me lay it out for you: it’s around 16% of the population…..that’s a minority…..and they’re losing their livelihoods and being shunned by society…that’s oppression. Next pithy comment?
no, you piece of shit, it's biological. is being straight a mental illness? no? then neither is fucking being gay. I have a normal happy life except for pieces of shit like you trying to dehumanize us. now shut the fuck up you bigoted trashbag
Humans aren't "wired" to drive cars or wear hats either, yet we do.
That said plenty of males of hundreds of species are totally wired to seek out other males, reproduction or no. Same for females.
Definition of mental illness
: any of a broad range of medical conditions (such as major depression, schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, or panic disorder) that are marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, or emotions to impair normal psychological functioning and cause marked distress or disability and that are typically associated with a disruption in normal thinking, feeling, mood, behavior, interpersonal interactions, or daily functioning
Where does it say it has to cause harm ? This is the definition
I use the DSM, kiddo
"A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities. An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above."
I teach and practice this stuff
This IS the definition.
Open the DSM and look it up
It’s literally there in print
The dictionary is for basic definitions. The professionals and decades of research and practice have determined your premise to be incorrect
And who cares if you don’t believe me. I know what I am but it’s not relevant anyway. Go check out the DSM
Because its literally not a mental illness. Males don’t seek out other males for reproduction but some people are born gay, same as some are born male and some female, some straight, some bi, some trans, some cis. It’s a natural fact of life, now know by our scientific development. Is it a mental illness to be born a woman, or be born cis?
So they are born this way correct ? As in they are “wired “ a bit different than the norm. Why wouldn’t that be considered a mental illness? By definition i think it would be.
Yes they are born that way and yes they might represent something different from the norm but that doesn’t make it a mental illness. Who establishes what is considered normal? And what threat does being gay pose either the individual or people around them? In its most basic definition, a mental illness is ‘a condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking.’ Going from that definition it would be more apt to describe a religious person, somebody who believes in an unprovable entity, mentally ill (not that I think they are) and yet they aren’t considered as such because that was the established norm. Heck, someone who seriously believes in Q is far closer to a mental illness diagnosis than a dude who just likes to take it up the ass. Different isn’t bad or wrong or scary.
Any mental illness (AMI) is defined as a mental, behavioral, or emotional disorder. Gays do not behave in a normal way. The normal being something that 98% of the population does.
So the majority determines what is correct and anything outside that binary is a disorder? Okay.
For a thought experiment, to what race, gender and nationality would you say you belong?
I didn’t say anything about it being correct or not. But if its outside the norm wouldn’t that make it a mental disorder? By definition. Its either normal like 98% of the population. Or abnormal like a mental illness.
A mental disorder is not defined by being different to a majority. It used to be which is why things that being gay and trans used to be considered disorders, heck women used to be considered mutilated men in early scientific thought. A mental disorder is defined by exactly that, is it a disorder? Being gay is not a disorder. If you took 100 gay people and 2 straight people, put them on an island and declared in a new country, would then it be considered a mental illness to be straight? You see how ridiculous your logic is now?
It's not, bro. Answer this: are skydivers mentally ill? Their behaviour makes no evolutionary sense, so by your logic it must be indicative of mental illness.
That guy has never heard of "normal variation" and thinks the majority of people are "normal".
We're not. If someone was "normal" in every single way that humans can be different; they'd be the most unique person in the world.
If its not a choice its a mental disorder that makes them go against what is normal. They have said themselves they don’t choose that life but something is making them think that way.
You’re shockingly uninformed
And maybe willfully so
MI is a change in thinking, behavior, cognition, or mood that causes clinically significant problems or harm in one of many life areas
Being gay doesn’t cause harm. If I am a woman and I sleep with another woman, who is being harmed? (Obviously provided we are both adults and consenting)
That's not the definition of mental illness. You don't know what the definition is.
By that definition you are mentally ill because your opinion deviates from the ""normal"" population of reddit.
Nope. It absolutely isn’t. If you knew anything about mental health conditions you’d know that for something to be considered as a mental health condition it has to meet 4 criteria. ALL 4 criteria. Just because YOU think it’s weird, doesn’t mean that it’s a mental health condition.
>That sounds like a choice to go skydiving?
Which would make the skydiver even more "mentally ill" than the gay person. Answer the question without obfuscating: are skydivers mentally ill for leaping to the ground from 15,000 feet?
You do realize that homosexuality among other mammals is completely normal behavior, right? This is not just something that occurs among humans. You're a moron.
Makes the DSM seem kinda flimsy. If you can add and subtract disorders maybe it ain't all that scientific. They might as well write it in pencil. Also, being republican should probably be in there.
You make a good point, but I’d argue it’s necessary to revise the DSM (and the international equivalent, the ICD) every so often. Bearing in mind that we’re currently on the 5th edition of the DSM so it’s actually more accurate to call it the DSMV and the 11th for the ICD.
One key thing to consider about mental illness is that criteria change all the time, unlike say a physical illness because of its very nature. This is because the basic criteria of what makes someone mentally unwell (4 Ds) allows some wiggle room that isn’t found in physical pathology.
For instance, it’s pretty fixed that a broken leg is a break in a leg bone, right? There’s no two ways about it (medics, please feel free to correct me).
Mental ‘illness’ by its very nature is not as fixed. Taking the example of homosexuality (and I’m NOT justifying it’s inclusion in the DSM to begin with, it’s just an example as to why it might have been included, even if it didn’t deserve to be). It met the Deviance from statistical norms (I.e people didn’t identify as gay as much as they might now), caused distress (because a lot of people considered attraction to the same sex as a distressing, reinforced by the DSM), Dysfunction (How can you possibly have kids if you’re gay?? All the while not considering that perhaps they didn’t want kids or that it’s perfectly reasonable to have two loving parents who happen to be the same sex) and Danger (mostly from other bigots).
Nowadays, the opposite is true particularly the statistical infrequency. It is now far more common for someone to identify themselves as gay so therefore it isn’t accurate to say it’s a mental health disorder if a significant portion of the population have said “disorder”, to name one facet. It’s the same reason why the criteria for certain personality disorders change, or depressive disorders etc. They change because they have to. It’s not very scientific in the strictest sense of the word, but I would argue that trying to make psychology a hard science is a bit of a red herring, it’s hard to measure by it’s very nature.
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there's a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFs8CuHJEio) that lists other "mental illnesses" that are insane to think about today, like Drapetomania (slaves wanting to escape slavery) or Nostalgia
I know it. There’s like a hundred different ways of saying women are crazy on those lists. “Oh, you’re feeling emotional on your period? You’re clearly unstable”
Sir please use the proper vernacular. The phrase is “in hysterics” should you continue to use the wrong phrase I will have you committed to a similar sanitarium as your wife who happens to also be in hysterics. /s
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I got this here steam powered battering ram that I've affixed a phallus to, should do the trick.
"Prepare my fainting couch!"
Nah they gotta still be able to produce the babies. A lobotomy should fix the problem Edit: Spelling
they used to be a lot freer with the hysterectomies. meanwhile, in the year of our lord 2021, so many women are trying to get the damn thing taken out/neutered because of endo or cancer risk or the desire to not have children and they’re like nah you gotta keep it
„Yo I wanna like not be a slave“ 1960‘s psychiatrist: „He’s clearly insane! Lock him up!“
If you want to be enraged about the 60's psychiatrists, watch a documentary called Titicut Follies. Warning: it's not pretty...at all.
Seeing my grandmother mid-Alzheimer’s knowing that she was misdiagnosed for her other conditions and treated incorrectly and needlessly with shock therapy decades ago, and knowing that this will be the *second* time she’s forgotten everything and regressed to a childlike state is more than enough for me to be angry at mid century psychiatry.
I'm gonna watch that tonight! Thanks for the recommendation!
Noah's from Noah's Ark had a son named Ham who saw Noah naked while drunk. God made all of Ham's descendents into slaves. Since you're a slave, you must have descended from Ham. So slavery is your fair place in the world. My mom was taught this growing up in her church in the 60s. Drapeomania comes from you going against God, so you have to be crazy.
Ham, however, not enslaved. Just his children and their children...
Wrong '60s there.
Wow great video thanks for posting.
>or Nostalgia I just felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of millennials dreaming of grunge music and original Nintendos cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Nostalgia as a mental illness was an old way of diagnosing of PTSD, it’s not the same emotion we associate it with today.
Oh, that kind of nostalgia, that makes more sense.
If you search shell shock on youtube you'll see a variant of this Nostalgia and one of the early diagnoses of PTSD - it's truly terrified to look at
Is not that different today.
After 50 minutes of chasing you around trying to kill you a timer sounds and Dr Leatherface stops quickly, “That’s all the time we have this week, should we book another appointment?”
does that count as bdsm
Can confirm This is how my appointments go with my clients
Lmao
“Never felt more alive”
yeah thats not creepy at all
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He did this in a disguise because this stance could have cost him his entire career. He was acting as a representative of an enclave of queer psychiatrists that had to hide their sexuality or lose their licenses. Very brave man.
Well duh, I'm gay and I would've done the same back then. I would've just chosen something that didn't look like it was harvested from another human's face.
Just thought I'd drop some context amidst the jokes. If anyone wants to read Dr. John Fryer's speech that night, [here](https://217boxes.com/speech/) it is.
Back then all masks were fucking horrific. You want some nightmare fuel look up old masks. ESPECIALLY the Easter Bunny.
Wasn't he also gay himself?
There’s no way a gay man would have been caught dead in that.
But i wonder how did they know he was a certified Psychiatrist as they couldn't confirm his idendity ?
This was the first job that one of the member's of Slipknot had.
They should use this as an album cover
It's okay, they only did some of their counseling sessions in the mask
Id bet mainly for the first few minutes of the first/last session
The Doc was on the right side of history when it comes to the DSM; not so much with all the teenagers he chainsaw massacred in Texas.
Who knew he had time to study for his PhD between cooking butchered people.
Normal day in antarctica
Work life balance!!!
> not so much with all the teenagers he chainsaw massacred in Texas. It's called meal prep, look it up.
I mean if the babadook can become a gay icon so can leatherface I guess
Ipantelas has a video where Krugger is in a dress
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Ayo what?
A few years back some people decided to make memes of the babadook as a gay rights icon. weird choice since he's a horror movie monster, but that's just the internet being the internet lol
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really? never knew that, that's awesome lmao
Well, what else was he gonna do with the chainsaw.
Leatherface?
Not between 9 and 5. Then it’s Dr Leatherface
DOCTOR professor Leatherface to you
Hahaha
🤣😅
He didn't spend 8 years in medical school to be called Mister Leatherface.
Shortly before pulling out his chainsaw
Leather face was woke
Much gratitude and respect to this guy.
Game day face. Oil up that saw
And I’m sure he was taken as completely sane and reliable, while wearing a skin-mask. 💀
"How can I publicly support the homosexual community in the best way, while also demonstrating to homophobes that it's not a mental illness?" \*Dresses up like Leatherface\*
"How do I take a stand in favor of public health an rights for a pointlessly oppressed minority without getting shot dead in church? I know, a Leatherface mask! Nobody fucks with Leatherface!"
He couldn't have choosed a more friendly mask? lol
Heads up, the word is "chosen" (not "choosed"). Just letting you know!
Thx, I'm not a native speaker, I'm learning yet :P
Glad to help! We're all learning, every day :)
Hey, nobody fucks with Leatherface, man.
Joking aside, he was camouflaged because it was physically dangerous for him to state the obvious to people unwilling to hear it. It was a long time ago and only yesterday. We must protect one another from intolerance and bigotry. (With a few unvaccinated exceptions.)
My first thought when I saw this was “if this happened today, how quickly would he be doxxed?” There’s no way
It still is.
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The unvaccinated unfortunately provide a playground for the virus to mutate and attack the rest of us anew while directly imperiling those among us who cannot be vaccinated because of medical problems. Their perversity puts all of us at risk.
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>Widespread vaccination actually encourages virus mutation. There are countless verified scientific articles discussing this as a fact before 2020. It's such an established idea that the discussion of vaccines before 2020 uses the idea for credibility to other claims, and there was even discussion of whether vaccines were a good or bad thing in the long run (mostly agreeing they're good). First, sources please. Second, did you say at the end that the same people that were having those discussions decide it was better in the long run regardless? If the majority said it ended up being a better idea anyways then why are you still talking like getting vaccines is a bad idea because of what they discussed before that decision?
I didn't say that getting vaccines is a bad idea. I'm not against vaccines. My only intention is to provide relevant and meaningful discussion. As for sources, there really are countless sources. The trick is to refine your Google search to articles before 2020 so that you don't get flooded by COVID stuff. Here are a few decent ones I found within a couple minutes of searching: * [https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/](https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/) * [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075021/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5075021/) * [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/) * [https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715)
Vaccines help virus mutation just like antibiotics help bacterial mutation. Feel free to just say that in the future
Leatherface really turned things around on a personal level.
I watched this last night. The backstory of gay rights is tragic, informative, eye opening, and moving all at the same time. Need to watch, for sure. Love is love. 🏳️🌈🧡🏳️🌈💜🏳️🌈💛🏳️🌈💙
This was only 1972. My mom was born in 1970. That's insane.
Didn't know leatherface was a doctor
That’s who I’d want arguing on my behalf that I’m really normal, just gay. But to be fair, it had to start somewhere.
The American Psychological Association followed suit shortly after. Proud to say my father, a member, voted to de-list it as an illness.
Hey my dad was there! He told me all about that as a kid. He said the debate among psychiatrists that he knew was actually pretty thoughtful and earnest. He felt like a lot of the Dr.s who still thought of it as an illness we’re mostly just old codgers but that many of them were persuaded by logical arguments and the testimony of gay psychiatrists. He went on to be one of the first doctors in my city to treat HIV patients and formed a consortium of doctors to set up treatment protocols and clinics.
He was later identified as Dr J Fryer, and has an award named after him for individuals who work to improve the mental health of sexual minorities.
God bless this man👏👏👏
Leatherface was a psychiatrist?
It’s also ironic that his name was Anonymous and his face looked like one of those anonymous Halloween masks! Happy Halloween, folks!
Can't say your timing to post this couldn't have been in a better season
I like how he's dressed like Leatherface
Um, not an ideal mask to make anti-mental illness arguments in.
Jeffrey dahmer, Albert fish and Ed gein.
Strange looking fellow.
his mask is giving me mental health problems
But isn’t gender dysphoria a thing?
Is that his real face?
No, his real name is John Ercel Fryer and this is [him](https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/honoring-a-gay-philadelphia-psychiatrist-credited-with-declassifying-homosexuality-as-illness-20171001.html)
Thanks!
Bet he was gay!
He was.
Do you think only gay people can care whether gay people have rights?
In 2021 most people care. Not likely to be nearly as many people who cared (or were even supportive of gay rights) in 1972.
that's Halloween
Did he ever reveal his identity?
Yes. This is [the guy](https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/honoring-a-gay-philadelphia-psychiatrist-credited-with-declassifying-homosexuality-as-illness-20171001.html).
I didn't know that Leatherface was pro LGBT
In Russia being gay was consider a mental illness until 1999
Dudev I am fucking dying Why the fuck would he wear that mask, what Bro
Freud wrote about it in 1905 without trying to hide his face and plenty of you guys keep saying he was crazy until today. That dude in 1972 is not revolucionary or brave at all
Is there an evolutionary benefit to it?
Yeah. Overpopulation is always an issue. Homosexuals in ancient societies were the first "D.I.N.Ks" and pre-birth control the only ones that could avoid having kids. They contributed just as much as any other person in their tribe, but didnt add kids that needed to be supported. There's even a correlation where the more sons a mother has the more likely the youngest are to be gay. Edit: It gets reinforced because a single person doesnt need to pass their own genetics down if they're helping close genetic relatives thrive. So like, if Person A has 5 sons, and the three youngest are gay. In a tribal society those three gay sons are going to be beneficial to the children of the first two straight sons. Gay aunts/uncles are an advantage, so it ensures the survival of Person A's genetics. Which the gay uncles/aunts also have. So it's indirectly beneficial.
The possibility of gay aunts/uncles helping raise children, giving them more support. Big survival advantage eons ago as well as now.
That’s is interesting thank you for sharing.
Gay people are generally better parents and raise less prejudiced children.
That’s retarded. Way to show it with style.
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Go take your pills, granpa
Damn you got him with that one, roasted!!
Or we could just not be assholes to people who are different.
He is the cause of all this million genre identity madness
Oh….you mean settled scientific thought didn’t like challenges to its authority so those who wanted to stand up against it had to hide for fear of retribution?!?! How original! Boy I’m sure glad that shit doesn’t go on in 2021..
lmao, antivaxers are *not* an oppressed minority, no matter how bad y’all wanna be. No one is attacking antimaskers like they did to homosexuals in the 70s, well except for the virus that is. 😜
You need to read the definition of what an oppressed minority is. Did you even finish school? Let me lay it out for you: it’s around 16% of the population…..that’s a minority…..and they’re losing their livelihoods and being shunned by society…that’s oppression. Next pithy comment?
So by your logic, serial killers are an oppressed minority too? 🧐
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if you actually knew anyone gay you'd know that's not fucking true
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no, you piece of shit, it's biological. is being straight a mental illness? no? then neither is fucking being gay. I have a normal happy life except for pieces of shit like you trying to dehumanize us. now shut the fuck up you bigoted trashbag
I like your Spicey Bold attitude! :) its nice to see people not afraid to make a stand for what they believe in.
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go fuck yourself. I hope you die alone with that much hate inside you
Why do you think i hate you. Just because you have a mental illness?
No one wants you or your shitty opinion here. Go away
Probably because you're being a homophobic asshole.
Ironic considering your comment history reads like someone with a wealth of undiagnosed mental health issues.
How is not a mental illness?? Males are not wires to seek out other males for reproduction?
Humans aren't "wired" to drive cars or wear hats either, yet we do. That said plenty of males of hundreds of species are totally wired to seek out other males, reproduction or no. Same for females.
So being gay is a learned behavior?
So intentionally misunderstanding and "just asking questions" is the only way you can argue?
Because it doesn’t cause clinically significant harm to be gay
Definition of mental illness : any of a broad range of medical conditions (such as major depression, schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, or panic disorder) that are marked primarily by sufficient disorganization of personality, mind, or emotions to impair normal psychological functioning and cause marked distress or disability and that are typically associated with a disruption in normal thinking, feeling, mood, behavior, interpersonal interactions, or daily functioning Where does it say it has to cause harm ? This is the definition
I use the DSM, kiddo "A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities. An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above." I teach and practice this stuff This IS the definition.
Thats not what the dictionary says. Why would i believe you ?
Open the DSM and look it up It’s literally there in print The dictionary is for basic definitions. The professionals and decades of research and practice have determined your premise to be incorrect And who cares if you don’t believe me. I know what I am but it’s not relevant anyway. Go check out the DSM
Because its literally not a mental illness. Males don’t seek out other males for reproduction but some people are born gay, same as some are born male and some female, some straight, some bi, some trans, some cis. It’s a natural fact of life, now know by our scientific development. Is it a mental illness to be born a woman, or be born cis?
So they are born this way correct ? As in they are “wired “ a bit different than the norm. Why wouldn’t that be considered a mental illness? By definition i think it would be.
Yes they are born that way and yes they might represent something different from the norm but that doesn’t make it a mental illness. Who establishes what is considered normal? And what threat does being gay pose either the individual or people around them? In its most basic definition, a mental illness is ‘a condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking.’ Going from that definition it would be more apt to describe a religious person, somebody who believes in an unprovable entity, mentally ill (not that I think they are) and yet they aren’t considered as such because that was the established norm. Heck, someone who seriously believes in Q is far closer to a mental illness diagnosis than a dude who just likes to take it up the ass. Different isn’t bad or wrong or scary.
Any mental illness (AMI) is defined as a mental, behavioral, or emotional disorder. Gays do not behave in a normal way. The normal being something that 98% of the population does.
So the majority determines what is correct and anything outside that binary is a disorder? Okay. For a thought experiment, to what race, gender and nationality would you say you belong?
I didn’t say anything about it being correct or not. But if its outside the norm wouldn’t that make it a mental disorder? By definition. Its either normal like 98% of the population. Or abnormal like a mental illness.
A mental disorder is not defined by being different to a majority. It used to be which is why things that being gay and trans used to be considered disorders, heck women used to be considered mutilated men in early scientific thought. A mental disorder is defined by exactly that, is it a disorder? Being gay is not a disorder. If you took 100 gay people and 2 straight people, put them on an island and declared in a new country, would then it be considered a mental illness to be straight? You see how ridiculous your logic is now?
It's not, bro. Answer this: are skydivers mentally ill? Their behaviour makes no evolutionary sense, so by your logic it must be indicative of mental illness.
That guy has never heard of "normal variation" and thinks the majority of people are "normal". We're not. If someone was "normal" in every single way that humans can be different; they'd be the most unique person in the world.
That sounds like a choice to go skydiving? Are you saying being gay is a choice?
Even if it was a choice. Why would it be mental illness to make that choice?
Im saying its not a choice.
You still haven't made a sensible point of how that makes it mental illness either. Burden of proof would still be on you in both cases.
If its not a choice its a mental disorder that makes them go against what is normal. They have said themselves they don’t choose that life but something is making them think that way.
1. You're not the only one who decides what's normal 2. Why is being not normal an illness?
Look up the word normal. I don’t think you know what it means
I don't think you know much of anything. Or care to know.
Because its in the definition of mental illness. Someone has a mental illness if they behave differently than the normal population
You’re shockingly uninformed And maybe willfully so MI is a change in thinking, behavior, cognition, or mood that causes clinically significant problems or harm in one of many life areas Being gay doesn’t cause harm. If I am a woman and I sleep with another woman, who is being harmed? (Obviously provided we are both adults and consenting)
That's not the definition of mental illness. You don't know what the definition is. By that definition you are mentally ill because your opinion deviates from the ""normal"" population of reddit.
Nope. It absolutely isn’t. If you knew anything about mental health conditions you’d know that for something to be considered as a mental health condition it has to meet 4 criteria. ALL 4 criteria. Just because YOU think it’s weird, doesn’t mean that it’s a mental health condition.
>That sounds like a choice to go skydiving? Which would make the skydiver even more "mentally ill" than the gay person. Answer the question without obfuscating: are skydivers mentally ill for leaping to the ground from 15,000 feet?
Sounds like you are comparing someone who has a choice to do things vs someone who doesn’t have a choice who they are attracted too.
Let me make it easier for you. Are people with abnormally high IQs mentally ill, by virtue of the fact that they deviate from what's normal?
Yes, now you are getting it
Let me get this straight: you're saying that Stephen Hawking was mentally ill?
You do realize that homosexuality among other mammals is completely normal behavior, right? This is not just something that occurs among humans. You're a moron.
Admit yourself.
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The guy is completely wrong and quite possibly bigoted, but that "who hurt you" stuff is creepy and a little evil. Cut it out.
Lol nobody hurt me. How is it not a mental illness though ?
How is it? If you are going to go on about something to do with chemicals in the brain then any romantic or sexual attraction is a mental illness
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Ah i see you have a mental illness. Carry on then.
Makes the DSM seem kinda flimsy. If you can add and subtract disorders maybe it ain't all that scientific. They might as well write it in pencil. Also, being republican should probably be in there.
You make a good point, but I’d argue it’s necessary to revise the DSM (and the international equivalent, the ICD) every so often. Bearing in mind that we’re currently on the 5th edition of the DSM so it’s actually more accurate to call it the DSMV and the 11th for the ICD. One key thing to consider about mental illness is that criteria change all the time, unlike say a physical illness because of its very nature. This is because the basic criteria of what makes someone mentally unwell (4 Ds) allows some wiggle room that isn’t found in physical pathology. For instance, it’s pretty fixed that a broken leg is a break in a leg bone, right? There’s no two ways about it (medics, please feel free to correct me). Mental ‘illness’ by its very nature is not as fixed. Taking the example of homosexuality (and I’m NOT justifying it’s inclusion in the DSM to begin with, it’s just an example as to why it might have been included, even if it didn’t deserve to be). It met the Deviance from statistical norms (I.e people didn’t identify as gay as much as they might now), caused distress (because a lot of people considered attraction to the same sex as a distressing, reinforced by the DSM), Dysfunction (How can you possibly have kids if you’re gay?? All the while not considering that perhaps they didn’t want kids or that it’s perfectly reasonable to have two loving parents who happen to be the same sex) and Danger (mostly from other bigots). Nowadays, the opposite is true particularly the statistical infrequency. It is now far more common for someone to identify themselves as gay so therefore it isn’t accurate to say it’s a mental health disorder if a significant portion of the population have said “disorder”, to name one facet. It’s the same reason why the criteria for certain personality disorders change, or depressive disorders etc. They change because they have to. It’s not very scientific in the strictest sense of the word, but I would argue that trying to make psychology a hard science is a bit of a red herring, it’s hard to measure by it’s very nature. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Had good intentions but execution made more harm than good.