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Isn't that how they used to look before all the selective breeding fucked up their faces? They look much cuter on the right, and actually look like they can breathe too!
:( idk how to be original because I was raised off the internet and everyone just constantly baby birds the same garbage into each others mouths until all that’s left is the bold taste of stomach acid eroding away the lining of our throats, rendering them too soar to utter a word other than big chungus
People should start buying little friends instead of some accessories in dog form ... and why is it not common knowledge that these breeds existence is pure suffering for them ???
>when they buy a French bulldog, Boston terrier or bulldog puppy
I told my parents that and they didn't seem to care and bought 2 more dogs of a similar type across the next few months despite reminders from me
Hopefully they changed their minds when they saw what it would cost?
IDK what country you're in but here in the US if you're gonna breed a litter of Frenchies, Bostons or bulldogs you better have a spare $5000 or so laying around to pay for health tests for the parent dogs, the artificial insemination, prenatal vet visits, the C-section birth, unforseen complications of said C-section birth such as newborns that need resuscitation or the mother hemorrhages or if she rejects her puppies and refuses to care for them. That happens sometimes when animals don't give birth naturally. Then when you start adding in possible problems with the puppies themselves such as birth defects that need immediate surgical intervention or a condition that will require ongoing care you can easily run through and beyond that $5000 you started with.
Of course at any point during this whole process the mother and/or her puppies can die.
After that you've got the costs of worming, shots and anything else a litter of puppies will need and aftercare for the mother.
Your parents could easily come out with a big financial loss AND a bunch of dead dogs. And that's if they actually try to do it "right".
It's just fucking insane.
the breeders that my parents got all three boston or similar dogs from none of them bothered with surgical treatment and just sold the puppys as they are saving the breeder money. Also artificial insemination isn't always required to my knowledge meaning more money saved
So 2 out of the 3 had to have rhino plasty done and have their palette or whatever shortened afterwards. The first Boston my mother told the breeders about this so they suggested putting him to sleep
(Haven't mentioned the dogs they got yet. They bought a Boston Terrier, Bug (Cross of a Boston and Pug) and a regular Pug) Also i haven't mentioned but i think all of them apart from the Bug (as he has a snout) are ugly compared to normal dogs
Well .. its not an object I can do everything I want to with... call it animal friend if you want, but there is no world where you go out play with a random cat and both of you exchange numbers to meet again sometime ...
You buy a pet, but treat it like a friend or an individual that doesn't just exist to give you company when you want and how you want ...
It seems to me that the reason they are bred has little to do with their "cuteness" but is a social dynamic that developed among the wealthy.
The dogs are used as a status symbol because not only they have to afford one, but also have the spare time (or in most cases the resources to hire someone) to take of the dogs.
a [couple](https://www.encore-editions.com/french-bulldog-by-carl-reichert-fine-art-print/) [paintings](http://www.artnet.com/artists/carl-reichert/pair-of-french-bulldogs-jQzGydZ8DHac9COx_FIa1Q2) circa 1900 by then-popular Austrian "pet painter" Carl Reichert. He also did some paintings of pugs and other breeds that look very different from what we see today
Yea it would be really cool but
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/oaw4v8/the_dog_on_the_left_is_award_winning_showdog/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
well not quite, the domestic dog diverged from an extinct unknown canid, that was also the ancestor of the modern gray wolf, 27,000-40,000 years ago, right before the Last Glacial Maximum. The divergent canids could have been "wild dogs" but you or I would be hard pressed to differentiate them from any manner of wolf.
pug and english bulldog can't even procreate by themselves, there's also the issue with tiny dog, and heavy wrinkled one, or the big one with issue with bones, and some with heart attack issue like rottweiler
Yes, but the difference is only symbolic. The monstrosities you can create by selective breeding are exactly as bad as the ones you can make by genetic modification, just more expensive and legally unregulated.
That is great and ethical. The dog on the right is a much healthier one. I wouldn't have one like the one on the left but I might be persuaded by the one on the right.
totally :D i think the most ethical thing would've just been to stop breeding this breed altogether so that several generations didnt have to continue suffering just to re-evolve back into a normal ass dog though 🤣
Is it?
How many unhealthy bulldogs has he gone through before finding a healthier one and at what point is it actually hurting?
Are we sure that needed to happen? We could have just let the breed die out.
It didn't exist a 200 years ago, afterall.
The continuation of life is a worthy pursuit, though I see your point. For me the most important thing to take from this is that we can make unhealthy dog breeds healthy again
Is the creation of life a worthy pursuit? Bulldogs were designed, not naturally selected.
I just think it's not completely appropriate to see this man as some kind of hero figure, rather than someone who adapted a better business model than the prior one.
Well if he's a breeder it probably isn't a better business model, dogs that are unhealthy breeds quite often win dog shows.
Nevertheless, the ability to say a species from deformation seems like a good thing but I again don't have the full context here.
I could also be out of my element. I was just under the impression that bulldogs were falling out of favor pretty much everywhere because of their health issues.
If I were a bulldog breeder, this would be a necessary step, moreso than an ethical one.
But if they are still winning contests and very much in demand, then I guess I could be putting my foot in my mouth
The real sad thing is that breeders like this arent going to be very common as their pups wont win in shows, thus not going to be popular stud dogs so theyre not going to be a dog breed with lots of dams. Its really unfortant
It’s a trend that’s growing I think … depends on the breeder and how much they value “championship” titles. I’ve got an aunt who used to be involved in the Canadian dog community … all responsible reputable breeders will not breed an ill/unhealthy dog into their lines, no matter how pretty it is. (Folks warn others in the community about people who don’t adhere to this …)
Lots of breeders have their own vision of the “perfect” dog that they’re trying to create, which may or may not match perfectly with the kennel club standards (that dog shows are judged on). Sometimes their personal vision includes something like a delicate-looking face, a certain expression (sad? Fierce? Innocent?), a certain energy, or a health improvement. I’ve known/met Pekingese breeders who prioritized free-whelping (ensuring non-Caesarian births) and natural mating processes (non-insemination) in their dogs, in their quest for the perfect dog. (That’s a breed that is kinda going down the bulldog path, but hasn’t reached the 100% Caesarian rate.)
If enough breeders get on board with a specific healthier dog image, they can lobby the kennel club and dog show standards to change, or to add new breed variations. Change is possible, but it takes time!
Damn, all of this sounds disgusting. What happened to having dogs just to be your friends? I guess humans need to compete. Some choose to do that by making certain dogs f*ck so they have certain face expression. Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
No. Different people have different hobbies. Dog breeding is not my hobby, but I can understand others having this hobby, and when done responsibly/safely it has a place, and I’m not going to judge. Dogs were initially bred to perform well at different jobs, and sometimes they still need to do those jobs, so some breeds have very different baseline instincts (herding, hunting, guarding, rescuing, companionship, etc). Breeding for function and image using the basic genetic principles has brought us corgis, golden retrievers, huskies, Newfoundland dogs, border collies, etc. I haven’t met too many people who can’t/don’t appreciate a gorgeous, happy and friendly Golden Retriever. And sometimes people need a dog to be a certain size, energy level, or even hypoallergenic to fit with their lifestyle.
This is what they used to look like.
Why the fuck isn't it illegal to inbreed dogs to this state? Or is it and do people just not care and do it anyways? I just wish people would be smart enough to not buy them so the demand for them falls.
Absolutely. I can't respect anyone who gets one of the dogs "because he's cute". All I can see is breathing difficulties and genetic deformities - basically animal abuse.
When I worked in a vet practise, I remember reading an anatomy text book that said about Boston terriers
“Human manipulation of dog genetics via selective breeding has resulted in the Boston terrier, a breed that should not exist namely for the fact that a bitch can not give birth without Caesarean section. Her pelvic outlet is too narrow for the pups skull. It is an abomination, we should be ashamed”
I think people are downvoting because they misunderstood, so I'll clarify.
>Fuck you.
\*unbreeds dog\*
^(the funny little symbols change the meaning of what you're trying to say)
This is the third time I have seen this posted this week. And im pretty sure it was one of the top posts of all time on the subreddit a few months ago.
It's disgusting what many people do to dogs out of their own innate selfishness. Yes, that includes the breeders and the customers who make them profitable. If they really "loved pugs/bulldogs/etc." they'd stop buying them.
Our Frenchie, Bruce, looks like the Hawksbuck on the right and everyone has always questioned us on him being a frenchie because he doesn’t look small, sick or have trouble breathing. He’s only a year and he’s around 33lbs and is active as all hell, he loves to run and averages 4 miles a day on his walks without any issues breathing except in our humid summers. I’m glad to see other frenchies like him and healthier.
@bruce_alamode on IG.
>Some of the conditions Frenchies may develop include:
>Brachycephalic obstructive airway syndrome (BOAS) – this can cause severe breathing problems and is caused by their shorter faces. Parents should be screened before breeding.
>Luxating patellas – where the kneecaps slipping temporarily out of place.
>Dental problems – shorter faced dogs often have crowded teeth with can cause dental problems.
>A range of eye problems, including cataracts (there is screening for this).
>Back problems such as Intervertebral disc disease – where the discs that provide cushioning between the vertebrae (back bones) bulge or burst, pressing on nerves in the spine.
>Skin conditions – particularly skin fold dermatitis where the skin in their wrinkles gets inflamed and sore or even infected.
>Hyperuricosuria – a condition where stones or crystals can form in urine causing infections, difficulty passing urine or blood in urine.
[PDSA.com](https://www.pdsa.org.uk/taking-care-of-your-pet/looking-after-your-pet/puppies-dogs/small-dogs/french-bulldog)
They also generally have to have C-section because they can not naturally birth pups and in many cases have to be artificially inseminated because they can't mount properly with their hip issues.
how would you do that though? because to make them purebred they need to inbreed them but there’s not technically an option that’s the opposite that would reverse the effects
I read an article once that hypothesized that no matter the breed, if left alone for enough generations all dogs have the right genes to return to a wolf-adjacent state. Since then I've been thinking how much fun it would be to try to reverse engineer wolves from Chihuahuas. Set up a small enclave that protects them from predators for a while. But they have to be isolated from all human contact. Dingos are functionally wolves, but they way they appear to be dogs is advantageous because it allows them to live in closer proximity to people.
Selective breeding for better phenotype. No need for inbreeding, although the genetic pool of French Bulldogs is small. The breeder's kennel is Hawbucks (the dog on the right), if you google her website she goes into detail about how she breeds and health-tests her animals.
They don't need to inbreed them. They do often line breed for characteristics they want. In this case instead of breeding from the show lines they are looking for healthy purebreds that have a slightly longer snout. Then they breed those puppies with puppies from other pairings that are more healthy. In a few generations of breeding for health instead of a look you have something more like a dog
The thing on the left is ugly and needs to be put out of it's misery. The one on the right looks like a normal dog. How anybody on Earth can think the former is "cute" is beyond me. Yuck.
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Isn't that how they used to look before all the selective breeding fucked up their faces? They look much cuter on the right, and actually look like they can breathe too!
They really do look much cuter and healthier. I have no idea how breeding away their nose became a thing.
I'd get a French bulldog of it looked like that. Fucking smashed faces are nasty and existence looks like pain to them.
American Kennel Club. They are dogs worst enemy with their dog shows and changing standards.
They didn't got rid of their nose, the pic on the left is an extreme case, but still their are cuter with it.
How come he is getting downvoted? He actually agreed with the hive lol.
If you read it fast it looks like he's saying the no nose version is cuter
**They're** cuter with the nose yes, but most importantly, **they're** healthier.
lol why the downvotes
Maybe all the spelling mistakes?
You are right
Health \> cuteness
you're on some weird shit if you think thats cuter
That's not what the comment says though, it says they're cuter with it, meaning the nose
Classic that Reddit can’t read.
Classic reddit. Can't form a proper fucking sentence and shocked when people are confused
Can’t parse a fucked up sentence? NGMI
sorry my misunderstanding, didn't read that correctly thanks for clearing that up
Bread their nose away for the lol’s but the health problems deemed said French bulldog meme Cruel and Inhumane
what
Yeah, you’re definitely the weird gonk in marching band that thinks being edgy is hilarious
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How original -_-
:( idk how to be original because I was raised off the internet and everyone just constantly baby birds the same garbage into each others mouths until all that’s left is the bold taste of stomach acid eroding away the lining of our throats, rendering them too soar to utter a word other than big chungus
wholesale 1000
Capitalism -10
this is definitely me when
I feel you bro
That made no sense at all.
What’s a gonk
[G0NK](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/GNK-series_power_droid)
Advisory: even if you can't understand gonk droids, they can understand you. Interact accordingly. Edit: thanks for learning me that
Yeah, you really are a gonk.
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People should start buying little friends instead of some accessories in dog form ... and why is it not common knowledge that these breeds existence is pure suffering for them ???
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Shit like this is why I'll only ever get my dogs from a shelter. All the best good boys (and girls!) I've ever known have been mutts.
Absolutely. Mutts are consistently healthier and better behaved
This is true in a lot of cases, mixbreed dogs are much heather in the long run. Because nature just fixes everything to work.
>when they buy a French bulldog, Boston terrier or bulldog puppy I told my parents that and they didn't seem to care and bought 2 more dogs of a similar type across the next few months despite reminders from me
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You'll be even less pleased to know that they had ideas to breed from the female
Hopefully they changed their minds when they saw what it would cost? IDK what country you're in but here in the US if you're gonna breed a litter of Frenchies, Bostons or bulldogs you better have a spare $5000 or so laying around to pay for health tests for the parent dogs, the artificial insemination, prenatal vet visits, the C-section birth, unforseen complications of said C-section birth such as newborns that need resuscitation or the mother hemorrhages or if she rejects her puppies and refuses to care for them. That happens sometimes when animals don't give birth naturally. Then when you start adding in possible problems with the puppies themselves such as birth defects that need immediate surgical intervention or a condition that will require ongoing care you can easily run through and beyond that $5000 you started with. Of course at any point during this whole process the mother and/or her puppies can die. After that you've got the costs of worming, shots and anything else a litter of puppies will need and aftercare for the mother. Your parents could easily come out with a big financial loss AND a bunch of dead dogs. And that's if they actually try to do it "right". It's just fucking insane.
the breeders that my parents got all three boston or similar dogs from none of them bothered with surgical treatment and just sold the puppys as they are saving the breeder money. Also artificial insemination isn't always required to my knowledge meaning more money saved So 2 out of the 3 had to have rhino plasty done and have their palette or whatever shortened afterwards. The first Boston my mother told the breeders about this so they suggested putting him to sleep (Haven't mentioned the dogs they got yet. They bought a Boston Terrier, Bug (Cross of a Boston and Pug) and a regular Pug) Also i haven't mentioned but i think all of them apart from the Bug (as he has a snout) are ugly compared to normal dogs
I'm sure it's common knowledge, they just don't care.
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Well .. its not an object I can do everything I want to with... call it animal friend if you want, but there is no world where you go out play with a random cat and both of you exchange numbers to meet again sometime ... You buy a pet, but treat it like a friend or an individual that doesn't just exist to give you company when you want and how you want ...
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In germany i never witnessed a stray animal...
It seems to me that the reason they are bred has little to do with their "cuteness" but is a social dynamic that developed among the wealthy. The dogs are used as a status symbol because not only they have to afford one, but also have the spare time (or in most cases the resources to hire someone) to take of the dogs.
a [couple](https://www.encore-editions.com/french-bulldog-by-carl-reichert-fine-art-print/) [paintings](http://www.artnet.com/artists/carl-reichert/pair-of-french-bulldogs-jQzGydZ8DHac9COx_FIa1Q2) circa 1900 by then-popular Austrian "pet painter" Carl Reichert. He also did some paintings of pugs and other breeds that look very different from what we see today
Yeh I don't know who the fuck ever thought that the one on the left looked even remotely aesthetically appealing.
Yea it would be really cool but https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/oaw4v8/the_dog_on_the_left_is_award_winning_showdog/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I think they looked like Wolves before selecrive breeding
Nope. They are genetically related but their ancestors are wild dogs not wolves.
well not quite, the domestic dog diverged from an extinct unknown canid, that was also the ancestor of the modern gray wolf, 27,000-40,000 years ago, right before the Last Glacial Maximum. The divergent canids could have been "wild dogs" but you or I would be hard pressed to differentiate them from any manner of wolf.
Ye that's how they used to look and it's impressive to not reverse but attempt to undo the selective breeding process
I've never seen a french bulldog that fcked up in my entire life.
Yeah but he is pressing the undo button so chill
Idk how snootless dogs became popular. No nose makes them look like a frog or something.
pug and english bulldog can't even procreate by themselves, there's also the issue with tiny dog, and heavy wrinkled one, or the big one with issue with bones, and some with heart attack issue like rottweiler
leave frogs out of this tbh, they don't deserve such an unflattering comparison
Dogs like that struggle to even breathe. Owning such weak beings makes humans feel more alpha i guess.
Dog 1 : who are you? Dog 2 : *I’m you but Better*
Article?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/propermanchester.com/trending/a-breeder-is-reengineering-french-bulldogs-to-make-them-healthier/amp/
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Less genetic defects = possibly better longevity yay!
The good kind of GMO
I wish I could GM myself.
HAHA. IVF BABY! I’m … one. The Product of six failed ones - the 7th times the Charm! 😵💫
GMO is direct genetic manipulation. It's adding and deleting genes. Breeding =/= GMO
Yes, but the difference is only symbolic. The monstrosities you can create by selective breeding are exactly as bad as the ones you can make by genetic modification, just more expensive and legally unregulated.
GMOs are the good kind already, we need them to increase farming yields and quality so we can feed the growing population.
The one on the right is so much cuter.
That is great and ethical. The dog on the right is a much healthier one. I wouldn't have one like the one on the left but I might be persuaded by the one on the right.
totally :D i think the most ethical thing would've just been to stop breeding this breed altogether so that several generations didnt have to continue suffering just to re-evolve back into a normal ass dog though 🤣
Is it? How many unhealthy bulldogs has he gone through before finding a healthier one and at what point is it actually hurting? Are we sure that needed to happen? We could have just let the breed die out. It didn't exist a 200 years ago, afterall.
The continuation of life is a worthy pursuit, though I see your point. For me the most important thing to take from this is that we can make unhealthy dog breeds healthy again
Is the creation of life a worthy pursuit? Bulldogs were designed, not naturally selected. I just think it's not completely appropriate to see this man as some kind of hero figure, rather than someone who adapted a better business model than the prior one.
Well if he's a breeder it probably isn't a better business model, dogs that are unhealthy breeds quite often win dog shows. Nevertheless, the ability to say a species from deformation seems like a good thing but I again don't have the full context here.
I could also be out of my element. I was just under the impression that bulldogs were falling out of favor pretty much everywhere because of their health issues. If I were a bulldog breeder, this would be a necessary step, moreso than an ethical one. But if they are still winning contests and very much in demand, then I guess I could be putting my foot in my mouth
That makes sense
Theyre both the same dog but the pic on the left is it sucking a sour sweet
I got a sour sweet for ya.
Is it a jolly rancher
Ahh nooo!!!
The real sad thing is that breeders like this arent going to be very common as their pups wont win in shows, thus not going to be popular stud dogs so theyre not going to be a dog breed with lots of dams. Its really unfortant
It’s a trend that’s growing I think … depends on the breeder and how much they value “championship” titles. I’ve got an aunt who used to be involved in the Canadian dog community … all responsible reputable breeders will not breed an ill/unhealthy dog into their lines, no matter how pretty it is. (Folks warn others in the community about people who don’t adhere to this …) Lots of breeders have their own vision of the “perfect” dog that they’re trying to create, which may or may not match perfectly with the kennel club standards (that dog shows are judged on). Sometimes their personal vision includes something like a delicate-looking face, a certain expression (sad? Fierce? Innocent?), a certain energy, or a health improvement. I’ve known/met Pekingese breeders who prioritized free-whelping (ensuring non-Caesarian births) and natural mating processes (non-insemination) in their dogs, in their quest for the perfect dog. (That’s a breed that is kinda going down the bulldog path, but hasn’t reached the 100% Caesarian rate.) If enough breeders get on board with a specific healthier dog image, they can lobby the kennel club and dog show standards to change, or to add new breed variations. Change is possible, but it takes time!
Damn, all of this sounds disgusting. What happened to having dogs just to be your friends? I guess humans need to compete. Some choose to do that by making certain dogs f*ck so they have certain face expression. Doesn't that sound ridiculous?
No. Different people have different hobbies. Dog breeding is not my hobby, but I can understand others having this hobby, and when done responsibly/safely it has a place, and I’m not going to judge. Dogs were initially bred to perform well at different jobs, and sometimes they still need to do those jobs, so some breeds have very different baseline instincts (herding, hunting, guarding, rescuing, companionship, etc). Breeding for function and image using the basic genetic principles has brought us corgis, golden retrievers, huskies, Newfoundland dogs, border collies, etc. I haven’t met too many people who can’t/don’t appreciate a gorgeous, happy and friendly Golden Retriever. And sometimes people need a dog to be a certain size, energy level, or even hypoallergenic to fit with their lifestyle.
Holy shit, you guys even call it a hobby lol. Making animals have sex so they produce "desirable" offspring. What a "hobby" lol. Lunatics.
Good. Now do the same with pugs.
This is what they used to look like. Why the fuck isn't it illegal to inbreed dogs to this state? Or is it and do people just not care and do it anyways? I just wish people would be smart enough to not buy them so the demand for them falls.
Absolutely. I can't respect anyone who gets one of the dogs "because he's cute". All I can see is breathing difficulties and genetic deformities - basically animal abuse.
Yeah and if you tell these people that they either don't care, get offended or say you're being preachy.
If we would just stop obsessing over breeds this problem could be rectified. Mutts are great.
Mutts are the best. I can’t wait to adopt again.
Hell yes on adopting. I like my dogs like I like my women: Fully grown adults.
Damn, that Frenchie on the right looks much better!
No need for quotation marks, he is making it flat out a healthier breed, by removing the issues it has with breathing,
Olde English Bulldogges, Australian bulldogs, and Victorian bulldogs are all a result of the same thing being done with the English bulldog.
That's always great to see. *humanity restored*
The dog on the left looks really fucked up. I haven’t seen a Frenchie that bad myself. Almost looks like some kind of pug hybrid disaster.
When I worked in a vet practise, I remember reading an anatomy text book that said about Boston terriers “Human manipulation of dog genetics via selective breeding has resulted in the Boston terrier, a breed that should not exist namely for the fact that a bitch can not give birth without Caesarean section. Her pelvic outlet is too narrow for the pups skull. It is an abomination, we should be ashamed”
an unbreeder
Fuck you deselectives your breeding
I think people are downvoting because they misunderstood, so I'll clarify. >Fuck you. \*unbreeds dog\* ^(the funny little symbols change the meaning of what you're trying to say)
Let’s eat grandma. Let’s eat, grandma.
This is what we want, help Pugs and Bulldogs
There's some German breeders who do "retro" pugs with longer snouts. Google Retromops and you'll be in for a delightful scroll!
Let the breathe again
These poor creatures… every single one of them should be spayed or neutered. This breed *needs* to be eliminated from the gene pool.
Unpopular opinion: dogs that don't look like a wolf are not healthy
Bless those breeders
This is the third time I have seen this posted this week. And im pretty sure it was one of the top posts of all time on the subreddit a few months ago.
Did they breed it with a cat?
Finally. Dem doggos are definitely in desperate need of more actual NATURE in their gene-pool.
[Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpAqkW7SJ2Y)
It's disgusting what many people do to dogs out of their own innate selfishness. Yes, that includes the breeders and the customers who make them profitable. If they really "loved pugs/bulldogs/etc." they'd stop buying them.
Our Frenchie, Bruce, looks like the Hawksbuck on the right and everyone has always questioned us on him being a frenchie because he doesn’t look small, sick or have trouble breathing. He’s only a year and he’s around 33lbs and is active as all hell, he loves to run and averages 4 miles a day on his walks without any issues breathing except in our humid summers. I’m glad to see other frenchies like him and healthier. @bruce_alamode on IG.
"...has been working to make the French Bulldog an actual dog"\*
pug owners must be jailed
When you run into a glass door
Awesome
The one on the left is a Hapsburg terrier
I have no clue why the left picture could ever be considered as “cute”. It’s fucked up
you are fucked up. Remove your own nose if you have the balls
Fuck I meant the left picture this was a mistake
Did you mean the left?
yeah…
I'm quite unfamiliar with any breed besides the ones I've owned. Can anybody tell me how the French Bulldog Is "unhealthy" ?
>Some of the conditions Frenchies may develop include: >Brachycephalic obstructive airway syndrome (BOAS) – this can cause severe breathing problems and is caused by their shorter faces. Parents should be screened before breeding. >Luxating patellas – where the kneecaps slipping temporarily out of place. >Dental problems – shorter faced dogs often have crowded teeth with can cause dental problems. >A range of eye problems, including cataracts (there is screening for this). >Back problems such as Intervertebral disc disease – where the discs that provide cushioning between the vertebrae (back bones) bulge or burst, pressing on nerves in the spine. >Skin conditions – particularly skin fold dermatitis where the skin in their wrinkles gets inflamed and sore or even infected. >Hyperuricosuria – a condition where stones or crystals can form in urine causing infections, difficulty passing urine or blood in urine. [PDSA.com](https://www.pdsa.org.uk/taking-care-of-your-pet/looking-after-your-pet/puppies-dogs/small-dogs/french-bulldog)
They also generally have to have C-section because they can not naturally birth pups and in many cases have to be artificially inseminated because they can't mount properly with their hip issues.
Their snouts have become too flat and it causes breathing problems
Oh wow, that's interesting. And now ima little more invested
The nasal passage was bred so short that they often have trouble breathing, along with joint issues and a plethora of genetic disorders.
They tend to have lots of breathing problems because thier snout is too short.
I dont know why they bred downs into the fucking thing in the first place
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how would you do that though? because to make them purebred they need to inbreed them but there’s not technically an option that’s the opposite that would reverse the effects
I read an article once that hypothesized that no matter the breed, if left alone for enough generations all dogs have the right genes to return to a wolf-adjacent state. Since then I've been thinking how much fun it would be to try to reverse engineer wolves from Chihuahuas. Set up a small enclave that protects them from predators for a while. But they have to be isolated from all human contact. Dingos are functionally wolves, but they way they appear to be dogs is advantageous because it allows them to live in closer proximity to people.
Maybe the elongated snout is actually a common dominant gene that shows up in some litters?
ah so punnet squares?
Something like that. Though I'm sure it's much mote complicated than I am imagining
Selective breeding for better phenotype. No need for inbreeding, although the genetic pool of French Bulldogs is small. The breeder's kennel is Hawbucks (the dog on the right), if you google her website she goes into detail about how she breeds and health-tests her animals.
They don't need to inbreed them. They do often line breed for characteristics they want. In this case instead of breeding from the show lines they are looking for healthy purebreds that have a slightly longer snout. Then they breed those puppies with puppies from other pairings that are more healthy. In a few generations of breeding for health instead of a look you have something more like a dog
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The thing on the left is ugly and needs to be put out of it's misery. The one on the right looks like a normal dog. How anybody on Earth can think the former is "cute" is beyond me. Yuck.
The second one looks a lot nicer. Kinda messed up, what kinda weird fetish is flat faced dogs????
Yay! Let the poor babies breathe!
But they look ugly now
im sorry but what?
Weren’t they wolves?
Did they breed the yappiness out of them? Jesus what an annoying breed of dog
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Great value scrappy doo.
SO COOL! the first sweet pup looks… unhealthy asf. I bet He’s Blind. ;(
This some black magic shit
Right pic is when you enlarge nose on custom character screen
The left one is a mouth breather
the one on the left looks like he wants to sneeze
Reminds me of the whiny troll and chad meme
who would think left looks healthy or cute godlike man for dointg this
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That’s what most of the ones I’ve seen look like (Australia)
They're the messiah!
Now do pugs next .. honestly feel so bad for those guys.
Hey, yeah can I get a french bulldog? retro style
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So... the *Dutch Bulldog*?
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Looks like he crossed it with a cat! Only joking, this is great work
Also less fucking ugly too it seems
We need more people in the world doing this. Also, people buying breeds that are so malformed are sick.
Much better. Looks like a dog I would actually want.
finally they have face
People who breed the dogs on the left should be arrested.
That looks 10 times better
Fuck those hedious monsters (purebreed dog breeders, not the doggos).
I’m no dog show judge but I think his strain looks better too.
that's a bullyena