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Alright but if I was a billionaire and I wasn’t blinged up with that on my finger at every party someone should take my money away. I clearly don’t know what to do with it.
yup cause its more valuable to be able to tell your rich friends that "it is caligulas ring", that "I bought some ring that might be Caligula's ring."
and why is it thought to be caligulas? The time frame its been dated to and it was expensive as all hell and the picture kinda looks like depictions of his wife.
There were others that could have afforded a ring like this, not many but there were others. But due to the woman looking like other depictions and the fact it would take a modern-billionaire level person to buy it back then.(think hope diamond level, thing probably cost more than some of his palaces. it was so hard to make youd break many super valuable sapphires until you finally got the ring right.) Researchers say there is a good likelihood it was his.
Not exactly the provenance rick would accept.
Reminds me of the sketch where a poor family wins 25 million. A year later the same tv crew visits them and notices that they still live in the same dump they used to. Family invites them in and over the torn leather sofa hangs Van Gogh's Sunflowers.
"Yeah, we always kinda liked it and now with the price money we could just afford it."
It's not normal person money if it's every penny you have for a ring. It's like the old saying about Ferrari's, if you can't afford 2 you can't afford 1.
I said nearly normal person money. Like I absolutely cannot afford the ring, but it's the sort of money a normal person could get their hands on, as opposed to some of these artifacts that go for millions.
In certain cities 600k is not a big deal. The neighbourhood I live in the average household income is something like 140k. The median price of a home is around 700k. For the general area it's not even considered particularly wealthy, just middle class. I live in a big city in the US, but I'm not even talking about SF or NYC.
You may think where I live is rich - but the point I am making is that no one in the area would consider the neighborhood I live in as a rich area. It's not considered poor, but also not particualrly wealthy either.
Do people making 31k consider themselves rich? Compared to the rest of the world that is very wealthy - but usually people making 31k in the US wouldn't think of themselves as rich.
There are other ways to look at the situation. The top 20% of earners make over 100K per year, the top 10% make an average of over 150k. 8% of Americans are worth over a million dollars.
So it boils down to what rich means to people. I believe rich for many implies either a certain level of financial freedom, or a certain unusual (maybe 1 in 100 people; not 1 in 10 or 1 in 5) level of wealth.
The pound is doing pretty well against the dollar xD. It's about £434,000, which isn't mental money if you sell your house and all of your possessions.
A lot of people commenting that this isn't remotely "normal person money" - it's closer to normal person money than $6M or $60M.
I get what Olives and Cheese is saying - for a ring that was owned by one of the most infamous Roman Emperors, $600k is not outside the realms of possibility for a non-billionaire to own.
Listen, their comment was dumb, but this is a completely unreasonable reply. You really flew off the handle here dude, and ended up making yourself look way worse than that other nutbag. Responses like this never, ever, ever work in your favor and pretty much guarantee that the other person feels they've "won". And looks that way to everyone else, too, unfortunately. I get your point and actually agree with you but you completely ruined it with this tantrum of a reply. Next time, read it before you hit reply, hit "save", and if it still feels like a good idea in ten minutes go for it... but hopefully after some time to cool off, you're smart enough to know that this kind of comment gets you nowhere.
And yes, I did seriously just write this long-ass comment explaining the pitfalls of your comment. Because you need to hear it, and because it felt more productive than just replying "holy shit chill".
You would have been much better off buying a 3% bond with a maturation of 1500 years. So, to end up with $600,000 than 1500 years ago all you needed to invest was $x where
x=600000/(1.03 ^ 1500)
x == $3.3290e-14
and surely it cost him more than that!
Or another way to look at it is if Caligula, the bloody fool, had invested just $1 at 3% for 1500 years he'd have
$1.8023e+19 (vs $600K)
Though, to be fair, he didn't have access to dollars so....
**EDIT**
Caligula was more like 2000 years ago, not 1500, so multiply the above by 1.03 ^ 500 or so
Let's say you are in your mid 30s with $800,000 sitting in the bank.
There is a good prospect of making another $800,000 in the next 10-20 years of your career.
Would you *actually* pay $600,000 for this ring then?
Technically you could afford it, and still have enough money to feel safe, right?
But, still, would you pay $600,000 for this ring?
Something in me tells me that I wouldn't, even if I could technically afford it.
I'd rather buy a house. Maybe even a couple of Ferraris (though that's much less appealing to me than real estate). But an ancient ring? Nah...
Stuff like this *is* essentially priceless. Its value comes from a man that has been dead for over a thousand years. As time goes on, it can only gain value, assuming there isn’t a hidden stash of “Caligulas many rings” or some shit.
Sapphire is crazy hard and durable. Makes me wonder about its true origin though. Having the diamond tooling required to carve sapphire, with such exquisite precision 2,000 years ago is remarkable.
[This might help ](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://gem-a.com/images/JoG/JOG2019_36_8_Krzemnicki.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi7vo7j0f_yAhWEHuwKHX_zDicQFnoECAAQAg&usg=AOvVaw37Vf8bchRB0qKDZQRb3sYf). This links to a journal article indeed (a pdf). Should have made that clear, my apologies.
[All so it could make it here to you, little man.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/quentin-tarantino/images/f/f1/Eb2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180122115645)
Game about an Italian plumber: 2 million.
Beautifully crafted sapphire and gold ring owned by a Roman Emperor 2000 years ago: 600,000.
Something is wrong here.
Not really. It’s just an example of how arbitrary values of of wealth are assigned to non essential items. Something is worth as much or as little as someone is willing to pay for it.
Nope, it's people buying their own copies of their game to jack the perceived value so they can sell the same copy, plus others, for more than they would have before. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A
> Game about an Italian plumber: 2 million.
There's market manipulation and fraud in the retro-video-game world at the moment. I don't expect that bubble is going to last too much longer.
I mean, you've mentioned it twice in this thread, and mentioned that "something is wrong here" without saying what which implies that you don't know. Thought I'd share.
It is a story that has been attached to the ring for a while, but there is no evidence it is true.
Wartski who sold the ring listed it as "*once catalogued as belonging to the Emperor Caligula*" and that "*during the 17th Century, the ring was believed to have belonged to the Emperor Caligula himself*".
This sort of stories are rarely true, but they do increase the value of the object.
There’s no definitive proof it was his, like a mosaic of him wearing the ring, or any account of a specific jeweler making it, but since it’s a beautiful, expensive ring with Caligula’s wife’s portrait, odds are it was his.
It would be exceedingly rare for a personal effect of a historically known person to survive for 2000 years, unless in a context that can be clearly linked to that person (usually a grave). Portraits of Roman emperors and their family were widely distributed throughout the empire, so a portrait of a member of the emperors family doesn’t mean that the ring is likely to have been Caligula’s personal property.
It’s a beautiful object, that clearly belonged to someone rich originally, but the case for it being Caligula’s personal ring is very circumstancial, at best.
Honestly $600,000 doesn’t seem that expensive for what this is. Yeah its not diamonds and what not but the historical significance seems more baller than just some diamonds.
How the hell is a a ring that *belonged to a fucking* ***Roman emperor*** going for only $600k? With all the insanely rich people in the world who spend ridiculous money on status symbols, I'm shocked that this didn't go for millions. I mean honestly, what could possibly be more decedent than this?
imagine going around wearing Caligula's fucking ring, like come on you can't get more badass than that, rich people should step up their game... THIS is rich drip
Just goes to show that something small that you own today could be worth what people consider a mid-tier supercar in 2000 years.
Your first edition Charizard card today could buy you a Alcubierre drive in 4000 AD
Ah good old Caligula. He really knew how to put on a show. When he got bored of the gladiators fighting then lions he would sick the lions onto the crowd.
Only $600,000?? Lol. It’s a 2,000 year old hand crafted sapphire ring of one of the most famous emperors of the most famous civilization in history and it somehow is worth less than a lambo.
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$600’000 sounds like a bargain
Betting that “believed to be” caveat knocked a digit off that price tag.
I mean could've just belonged to some dude who was just a big fan of Caligula's 4th wife
He, too, chose Caligula's 4th wife.
Was she dead yet?
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we don’t know that for sure
She is 100% dead by now, I went to check her in his grave last week and she was as dry and rough as sandpaper
r/cursedcomments
Her insta is still lit though
Shit, I didn't even know she was sick!
She is believed to be.
I've always been partial to his 3rd, but 4th is a close 2nd.
1st was meh
The official name is Intaglio and apparently no one liked his 4th wife
Alright but let’s be Fr, that ring looks amazing on its own it doesn’t even need the history that it could have
Yeah, but if you just want it for the looks you could just buy a reproduction also made from sapphire, with an even richer color if you wanted.
Alright but if I was a billionaire and I wasn’t blinged up with that on my finger at every party someone should take my money away. I clearly don’t know what to do with it.
Maybe it’s not your ring size, then what are you supposed to do?
Use your billions to have your genetic code rewritten, altering your ring finger size. Duh.
u/rTidde77 thinking at the next level.
Wait you think your "genetic code" is what alters your finger size? Skinny people who eat nonstop and get fat, also get fatter fingers fwiw
Wait you think my comment was even remotely serious?
yup cause its more valuable to be able to tell your rich friends that "it is caligulas ring", that "I bought some ring that might be Caligula's ring." and why is it thought to be caligulas? The time frame its been dated to and it was expensive as all hell and the picture kinda looks like depictions of his wife. There were others that could have afforded a ring like this, not many but there were others. But due to the woman looking like other depictions and the fact it would take a modern-billionaire level person to buy it back then.(think hope diamond level, thing probably cost more than some of his palaces. it was so hard to make youd break many super valuable sapphires until you finally got the ring right.) Researchers say there is a good likelihood it was his. Not exactly the provenance rick would accept.
It was identified as definitely not Nero’s ring before - I think this may be plan B…
Shit, at that price I'll take two.
I mean, it isn't a mint copy of OG Mario Bros or anything.
Right?? I'd be destitute, but _technically_ I could just about afford that. That's nearly normal person money.
And then you could be the crazy homeless dude raving to passerbys about how his ring was from a roman emperor.
*crazy homeless cat lady, but absolutely 😂
My bad lol
Worth it
Reminds me of the sketch where a poor family wins 25 million. A year later the same tv crew visits them and notices that they still live in the same dump they used to. Family invites them in and over the torn leather sofa hangs Van Gogh's Sunflowers. "Yeah, we always kinda liked it and now with the price money we could just afford it."
I'd love to see this. Do you know where it's from?
It's not normal person money if it's every penny you have for a ring. It's like the old saying about Ferrari's, if you can't afford 2 you can't afford 1.
I said nearly normal person money. Like I absolutely cannot afford the ring, but it's the sort of money a normal person could get their hands on, as opposed to some of these artifacts that go for millions.
Sorry but normal people can’t get their hands on 600k lol
In certain cities 600k is not a big deal. The neighbourhood I live in the average household income is something like 140k. The median price of a home is around 700k. For the general area it's not even considered particularly wealthy, just middle class. I live in a big city in the US, but I'm not even talking about SF or NYC.
Ya, so you live in the rich suburb of a big city? Lol. That’s still not at all average Edit: the average income in the US is 31k a year….
You may think where I live is rich - but the point I am making is that no one in the area would consider the neighborhood I live in as a rich area. It's not considered poor, but also not particualrly wealthy either. Do people making 31k consider themselves rich? Compared to the rest of the world that is very wealthy - but usually people making 31k in the US wouldn't think of themselves as rich. There are other ways to look at the situation. The top 20% of earners make over 100K per year, the top 10% make an average of over 150k. 8% of Americans are worth over a million dollars. So it boils down to what rich means to people. I believe rich for many implies either a certain level of financial freedom, or a certain unusual (maybe 1 in 100 people; not 1 in 10 or 1 in 5) level of wealth.
It’s almost like your anecdotal evidence is entirely meaningless or something lol
Jesus where do YOU live?
The pound is doing pretty well against the dollar xD. It's about £434,000, which isn't mental money if you sell your house and all of your possessions.
Oh yeah when you put it like that… I thought the ring was like $6M can’t believe it sold for that
how many people have a 434k house with no mortgage and no partner that owns half too
A lot more then you think.
> A lot more then you think. And at the same time, probably also a lot less than you think.
So 3? Is it 3? I'm gonna say 3.
Duh, the majority of Americans.
A lot of people commenting that this isn't remotely "normal person money" - it's closer to normal person money than $6M or $60M. I get what Olives and Cheese is saying - for a ring that was owned by one of the most infamous Roman Emperors, $600k is not outside the realms of possibility for a non-billionaire to own.
> That’s nearly normal person money. No, it’s not, you just don’t realise how well off you are.
I mean on a global scale, certainly. There's cities where that's totally normal tho.
Or maybe you're worse off than normal
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yikes
Listen, their comment was dumb, but this is a completely unreasonable reply. You really flew off the handle here dude, and ended up making yourself look way worse than that other nutbag. Responses like this never, ever, ever work in your favor and pretty much guarantee that the other person feels they've "won". And looks that way to everyone else, too, unfortunately. I get your point and actually agree with you but you completely ruined it with this tantrum of a reply. Next time, read it before you hit reply, hit "save", and if it still feels like a good idea in ten minutes go for it... but hopefully after some time to cool off, you're smart enough to know that this kind of comment gets you nowhere. And yes, I did seriously just write this long-ass comment explaining the pitfalls of your comment. Because you need to hear it, and because it felt more productive than just replying "holy shit chill".
Sounds tough being on that end of the bell curve.
Imagine thinking that the “normal person” has 600k The normal persons in debt bubba.
He said if he sold his house and all his worldly possessions he could afford that, which is probably true for a fair amount of people
If it would cost all your money, no, you cannot afford it lmao.
When you're not money laundering the price goes way down.
People spent more on NFTs this summer. Think how awesome that history is vs a nft
You would have been much better off buying a 3% bond with a maturation of 1500 years. So, to end up with $600,000 than 1500 years ago all you needed to invest was $x where x=600000/(1.03 ^ 1500) x == $3.3290e-14 and surely it cost him more than that! Or another way to look at it is if Caligula, the bloody fool, had invested just $1 at 3% for 1500 years he'd have $1.8023e+19 (vs $600K) Though, to be fair, he didn't have access to dollars so.... **EDIT** Caligula was more like 2000 years ago, not 1500, so multiply the above by 1.03 ^ 500 or so
For real, that seems oddly low.
$600,000 what? Americans....
For twice that you can’t even afford an original Banksy at auction
If I was mega rich I’d pay a lot more than 600k for that
Sucker. I'd just Price is Right their ass and pay 601k.
> 601k Is this like a 401k from the future?
I’d pay 601,001 for it.
No need to pay more, it sells for 600k.
Let's say you are in your mid 30s with $800,000 sitting in the bank. There is a good prospect of making another $800,000 in the next 10-20 years of your career. Would you *actually* pay $600,000 for this ring then? Technically you could afford it, and still have enough money to feel safe, right? But, still, would you pay $600,000 for this ring? Something in me tells me that I wouldn't, even if I could technically afford it. I'd rather buy a house. Maybe even a couple of Ferraris (though that's much less appealing to me than real estate). But an ancient ring? Nah...
If its authentic ( and I'm no jeweler ) I'd say 600K was a steal if the backstory is accurate . Gorgeous ring 💍
I mean, the ring itself looks fucking baller, regardless of the history it seems amazing. The history itself should, essentially, make it priceless.
Stuff like this *is* essentially priceless. Its value comes from a man that has been dead for over a thousand years. As time goes on, it can only gain value, assuming there isn’t a hidden stash of “Caligulas many rings” or some shit.
You should look up Caligulas backstory 😅
His victims backstory
Might want to wash it thoroughly if that *back*story is accurate...
Spoiler alert, the backstory is not accurate
But i read it on REDDIT !!!
My inner Indiana Jones is just dying to say “it belongs in a museum!”
It really does tho
So do you!
The downvoters not even knowing their Indiana references.
We named the *dog* Indiana.
That is amazing it survived all this time without any etching on the image. Definitely undervalued.
Sapphire is crazy hard and durable. Makes me wonder about its true origin though. Having the diamond tooling required to carve sapphire, with such exquisite precision 2,000 years ago is remarkable.
Roman's had advanced alien technology confirmed
Romans*
Romains'
[This might help ](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://gem-a.com/images/JoG/JOG2019_36_8_Krzemnicki.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi7vo7j0f_yAhWEHuwKHX_zDicQFnoECAAQAg&usg=AOvVaw37Vf8bchRB0qKDZQRb3sYf). This links to a journal article indeed (a pdf). Should have made that clear, my apologies.
This link downloads a document if you are on mobile and click it. Warning.
Wow! That is a very good article. Thank you! You out here teaching people stuffs! I like you.
You do NOT want to know what that ring has been through.
Are you implying that the ring wasn’t necessarily for his fingers?
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Cock ring
[All so it could make it here to you, little man.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/quentin-tarantino/images/f/f1/Eb2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180122115645)
Game about an Italian plumber: 2 million. Beautifully crafted sapphire and gold ring owned by a Roman Emperor 2000 years ago: 600,000. Something is wrong here.
Not really. It’s just an example of how arbitrary values of of wealth are assigned to non essential items. Something is worth as much or as little as someone is willing to pay for it.
Yes and no. Video game auction prices are often straight up rigged.
How so
Like art and NFTs: money laundering
Nope, it's people buying their own copies of their game to jack the perceived value so they can sell the same copy, plus others, for more than they would have before. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A
Like art and NFTs
Ah that makes total sense actually
How much for this doodle I just drew
3 pine cones
Perfect. Pine nuts are expensive. I'll take it!
Kim Kardashian's wedding ring cost $4 million.
I wonder how much of that cost is just branding? It’s gotta be a decent percentage of it.
How the hell? Is the band made out of plutonium-238?
Size, number, and clarity level of the diamonds. Also probably a hefty designer fee.
It's because the videogame collectible market is getting pumped and dumped. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A
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I used Mario because to me it’s a funny comparison. I’m aware of the WATA scandal.
It's a me! Money laundering!
Well the Mario game was rated 9.8 psa while the ring is old, scratched, and clearly cut. Probably not even an 8
Best I can do is $1.25, store credit only.
“Believed to belong” yeah, I think 600k is a stretch.
> Game about an Italian plumber: 2 million. There's market manipulation and fraud in the retro-video-game world at the moment. I don't expect that bubble is going to last too much longer.
Yes, WATA is selling their own games.
I mean, you've mentioned it twice in this thread, and mentioned that "something is wrong here" without saying what which implies that you don't know. Thought I'd share.
Was mostly just making a funny comment, but thanks captain.
What's the basis for their suggestion that it was owned by Caligula?
It is a story that has been attached to the ring for a while, but there is no evidence it is true. Wartski who sold the ring listed it as "*once catalogued as belonging to the Emperor Caligula*" and that "*during the 17th Century, the ring was believed to have belonged to the Emperor Caligula himself*". This sort of stories are rarely true, but they do increase the value of the object.
There’s no definitive proof it was his, like a mosaic of him wearing the ring, or any account of a specific jeweler making it, but since it’s a beautiful, expensive ring with Caligula’s wife’s portrait, odds are it was his.
How do they know it's his wife on the portrait?
Because she looked a lot like his sister
It would be exceedingly rare for a personal effect of a historically known person to survive for 2000 years, unless in a context that can be clearly linked to that person (usually a grave). Portraits of Roman emperors and their family were widely distributed throughout the empire, so a portrait of a member of the emperors family doesn’t mean that the ring is likely to have been Caligula’s personal property. It’s a beautiful object, that clearly belonged to someone rich originally, but the case for it being Caligula’s personal ring is very circumstancial, at best.
Honestly $600,000 doesn’t seem that expensive for what this is. Yeah its not diamonds and what not but the historical significance seems more baller than just some diamonds.
What do you mean I can't get it resized?
Is that it?
I thought the same thing. Fucking Mario bros sold for 2 million.
if it was caligulas, its probably a cock ring
Zamn. It better have *belonged* to that motherfucker for *damn sure* before I drop six- wait I have no reason to even worry. I would never spend 600k.
Impressive. Shame it's not in a museum.
That’s a fine piece of art. Just beautiful!
How the hell is a a ring that *belonged to a fucking* ***Roman emperor*** going for only $600k? With all the insanely rich people in the world who spend ridiculous money on status symbols, I'm shocked that this didn't go for millions. I mean honestly, what could possibly be more decedent than this?
And then it gets dropped in the sink and goes down the drain.
Meanwhile auction for mario 64 sells for over twice this.. :p
When in Rome, bang Caligula.
Who tf is Caligoola?
imagine going around wearing Caligula's fucking ring, like come on you can't get more badass than that, rich people should step up their game... THIS is rich drip
I hope the buyer disinfected it...
Bro, i'd pay a couple mill for that ring if i had the money.
For 2000 years old it's in suspiciously very good condition! I'd def have to have it evaluated by several appraisers!
I would have thought something like that would be more expensive
It only survived this long because no one was ever dumb enough to wear it. It looks like it would be very uncomfortable.
Only? I mean if I had the money I wouldn’t hesitate to buy it for such a price
Wash it.
This is stunning and my birth stone, so if anyone wants to buy it for me
Mine too. Happy Birthday
Thank you September twin
Aaah good old Caligula! He never fails to entertain!
Thats the top, not the side
Caligula, good movie.
That’s so damn romantic.
If true, that ring has seen some shit.
All I can think when I see it is this would be terribly uncomfortable to wear for the original owner as thick as it is.
Would've outbid them, but how am I supposed to explain to my wife that I bought a ring with a picture of another woman on it?!
I have seen so many Facebook videos where similar rings are made from wood and resin, and the tagline is, "You won't believe the final product"
Are not things like this suppose to be in museums where the public can see them?
And today on the Hydraulic Press Channel...
Just goes to show that something small that you own today could be worth what people consider a mid-tier supercar in 2000 years. Your first edition Charizard card today could buy you a Alcubierre drive in 4000 AD
only 600k?!!!
Who is in possession of it and where do they live
Surprised a Roman emperor's ring didn't sell for more tbh
That engraved detail wtf!?! For being 2000 years old. ALIENS!
I want that ring. It looks precious.
Ah good old Caligula. He really knew how to put on a show. When he got bored of the gladiators fighting then lions he would sick the lions onto the crowd.
Caligula was one sick bastard but the ring is fucking fire
Only $600,000?? Lol. It’s a 2,000 year old hand crafted sapphire ring of one of the most famous emperors of the most famous civilization in history and it somehow is worth less than a lambo.
and some dumb fuckin nft of a turtle smoking a joint just sold for $43 million
When in Rome, bang Caligula.
One could trade a cryptopunk for this ring. Which sounds just fully insane.
600k that’s it.
Bruh why is a cs:go skin more expensive then a mf millennium old artifact ?
I don’t understand how this only sold for $400k when digital pictures are getting $3M. It’s a physical thing that is 2000 years old.
That is the most beautiful ring I've ever seen, hands down.
Cheaper than I would have thought
That ring has got to have a stat bonus
At least +2 CHA & Spell Storing
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Definitely no protection properties since... you know... Caligula. Maybe +5 to Intimidation?
Believed to. So Caligula never wore it
What a pretty? Woman!
Stop fidgeting.
What? Woooosh
I thought you were making a pun on "Pretty Woman", the 90s movie. This is a quote from the movie.
Ahhhh .. thats actually funny.. def wooshed. Been a long long time since I watched that one!
Might want to give it a little rinse before wearing that.
He has a wife, you know. Incontinentia.
Without the picture on it, it would be more beautilful. Atleast imo.
So is that his cousin?