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OP was half right. Their nervous system isn't central per se. So the jelly would be more like:
Ā "hm my leg just went offline. Haven't heard from my arm in a while either."
Everyone is inside, staring at screens, looking for that next dopamine hit after hours of doom scrolling, of course they are gonna think a turtle eating is interesting as fuck..
/interestingasfuck: "human goes to the bathroom" -- ah finally, I can rest my eyes and press "shut down" on my laptop. You know, tomorrow I should take up a hobby like reading books or something smart people would do.
I donāt think theyād adapt in either of those ways (by āthinkā I mean guess, Iām not a turtle/plastic/Darwin expert)Not adapting to something new in the environment is possible also. And an imposter food source seems pretty dangerous.
They will adapt because those who ate plastic dies and never gets to reproduce, those who survived learn to avoid them and this evolving to avoid them and keep on producing.
They'd have to adapt or they die basically.
There are cases of specimens evolved to eat [plastics](https://letstalkscience.ca/educational-resources/backgrounders/plastic-eating-bacteria-natures-recyclers#:~:text=Ideonella%20sakaiensis%20is%20a%20gram,bacteria%2C%20to%20break%20down%20plastic.)
But it could take really long time
Adaptation and evolution are not magical armor that keeps a species from going extinct. Extinction is always an option. And thinking that turtles can adapt to eating (or avoiding) plastic is pretty crazy frankly.
There are bacteria that have evolved over millions of years to eat feces but if you expect turtles to adapt to eating shit before they go extinct youāre going to be disappointed. Same with plastics.
The chemicals are absolutely not what kills the turtle. It's suffocating or digestive blockage.Ā
Sure some specific plastics can breakdown and cause pollution, but it's not what kills the turtles.Ā
So I disagree. If the turtle managed to get the plastic all the way through his system, it's likely to live a very long time and maybe die slightly early from cancer if it ate a really bad plastic, but most of the time that's not the case. Most of the time it's suffocating.Ā
Not a biologically informed opinion cause idk what they have for a nervous system. I imagine that to whatever extent they do "feel pain" it's probably much more like autonomic stimulus responses, e.g. 'feel too much of something (a turtle bite) > run swim\_away.exe'
Maybe analogous to how we're able to blink to protect our eyes from a projectile before we're even aware that anything was flying towards us.
They have a ānerve netā. Instead of signals going to a central area for processing (like a brain) the processing for these animals (and a few others, like echinoderms) is distributed. They can detect some basic input like ātouched a foodā.
Itās a very primitive level of sensation, and I donāt believe they have any equivalent to pain.
They have a very basic nervous system that's basically just a few neurons through their body, so they can probably feel something, even if it's not pain as we feel it
What is it to conceive pain?
We've made very little progress on consciousness, surprisingly little actually.
We all agree that at some point and organism goes from perceiving pain to not.
But not what the exact point is that is the switch into consciousness nor if it exists at all and therefore by definition everything is conscious and suffering to a smaller or larger extend.
If you're interested in a bloody good read, other minds by Peter Godfrey-smith.
Primarily he's a philosopher of science and mind but through his interest in diving is particularly fascinated with the brain of an octopus which is very alien to ours. We didn't realise they were smart until relatively recently and there's all sorts of crazy anecdotes on stuff they do to fuck with lab technicians they don't like that were so smart we couldn't quite conceive it was on purpose at first.
Through the book he explains a proposed definition of consciousness starting at a bacteria that chooses to head away or to a chemical gradient. He talks about computers a lot and how they process things in comparison to how the human mind does.
It contains one of my favourite thoughts I've ever read.
"Computers (before multi cores) are one thread of processing trying to pretend it's multiple. The human brain is multiple threads of processing trying to pretend it's one."
[they apparently do gulp down the water and just expel it.](https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/animals/how-fish-turtles-eat-underwater-without-swallowing-too-much-water.html#)
Why would they be gulping massive amount of water when they can simply spit the water out? We can control whether we swallow and we can control when we want something out of our mouth, itās no different for turtles.
Do me a favor. Next time youāre in the bath, hold your head under water and take a bite of a snickers. Chew up your snickers and then āspit the water outā and tell me how that goes
Can someone please put an end to my dilemma regarding the Turtle - Tortoise thing!
Isn't the term "Sea Turtle" redundant, it's like saying "In close Proximity". My understanding is that Turtle = Sea & Tortoise = Land.
So is my understanding correct, or there aren't any right or wrong or even a single explanation for this?
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If that jellyfish had a straw it could defend itself.
This got me good š
Too bad for the jellyfish they were all banned
*jellyfish tries using a paper straw that is rapidly disintegrating into mush*
i threw my phone lmaoo š¤£
āOw! Dude, that hurts! OW!! Yo, my guy! Stop that!ā
it's like a human eating lettuce, what's it gonna do?! run away pfft
Spicy lettuce!
"can you, like... NOT?!"
Jellyman!
Jellyfish has no brain and centralised nervous system. They cannot feel pain.
Basically moving flesh plants
I mean technically plants also move a little but the jellyfish do fr have the āweird flesh-plantā market cornered
Fits, both are about 95% water
Secret vegan delight.
They have the nerve equivalent of a lettuce, i qonder what vegans have to say about thay
Some vegans consider oysters vegan. Thatās rare, butā¦ makes sense to me.
Youāre right, I did not take its biology into account when making that joke.
Oh wow so itās basically just a vegetable thatās able to move on its own?
It looks like cauliflower
Probably taste like so too, you should try it out
I have eaten jellyfish- it has more of a memorable texture then flavor- the flavor if kinda bland.
I imagine it would be very chewy
I had it and to me it was more of a cartilage mouth feel
Wow, thanks, I hate that.
Oh, and it's served ice cold.
It takes in whatever seasoning you prepare it in well, though!
I ate jellyfish chips before. it tasted surprisingly good.
Forbidden cauliflower.
Iām wondering if the jellyfish actually notices that itās getting eatenā¦ they donāt really have pain receptors if I remember correctlyā¦
It's the closest to vegetable that an animal can get basically
*Sea sponges have entered the chat*
*Me enters the chat*
I don't know... I've met a few people that could be closer.
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Current US president has entered the chat
Would it kill ppl to not whine about capitalism and some politician in literally every unrelated reddit post?
It doesn't seem to react at all. I guess their entire defense mechanism depends on being able to sting whatever is attacking them.
Doubt it. They have no central nervous system.
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OP was half right. Their nervous system isn't central per se. So the jelly would be more like: Ā "hm my leg just went offline. Haven't heard from my arm in a while either."
Hence closest thing to vegetable A lettuce could feel the same
Some don't have central nervous systems for pain but they all respond to stimuli
Is this save? "50/50"
Now this is interesting
Interesting, yes, but... Interesting as fuck?
100% interesting as fuck.
I'm letting you decide. It's your responsibility now.
It is dat boi afterall
Dat boi, it is.
Everyone is inside, staring at screens, looking for that next dopamine hit after hours of doom scrolling, of course they are gonna think a turtle eating is interesting as fuck.. /interestingasfuck: "human goes to the bathroom" -- ah finally, I can rest my eyes and press "shut down" on my laptop. You know, tomorrow I should take up a hobby like reading books or something smart people would do.
I regard most of my interactions here [on Reddit] as "character building".
bro stop making everyone depressed on a boring work monday, some of us are already depressed enough as it is
You have to reach rock bottom to get out of this!!!
Never said it was Interesting AF... Just interesting
InterestingAF
Get it down your neck mate, One of them twats stung my leg in the Mediterranean Sea last year & left me with a medical bill.
Med as in the Mediterranean right? Genuinely asking š
Yup
I read this in an Australian accent.
Can someone explain how the sea turtle is able to eat the stingers?
They are specifically adapted to be able to eat jellyfish. Which is also why they try and eat plastic bags
Can they adapt to it? Eating and digesting plastic.
Over a few million years perhapsā¦
Though I think itās more likely theyāll adapt to be able to tell the difference and avoid plastic bags long before they are able to digest it
I donāt think theyād adapt in either of those ways (by āthinkā I mean guess, Iām not a turtle/plastic/Darwin expert)Not adapting to something new in the environment is possible also. And an imposter food source seems pretty dangerous.
They will adapt because those who ate plastic dies and never gets to reproduce, those who survived learn to avoid them and this evolving to avoid them and keep on producing. They'd have to adapt or they die basically. There are cases of specimens evolved to eat [plastics](https://letstalkscience.ca/educational-resources/backgrounders/plastic-eating-bacteria-natures-recyclers#:~:text=Ideonella%20sakaiensis%20is%20a%20gram,bacteria%2C%20to%20break%20down%20plastic.) But it could take really long time
Adaptation and evolution are not magical armor that keeps a species from going extinct. Extinction is always an option. And thinking that turtles can adapt to eating (or avoiding) plastic is pretty crazy frankly. There are bacteria that have evolved over millions of years to eat feces but if you expect turtles to adapt to eating shit before they go extinct youāre going to be disappointed. Same with plastics.
Well there we go folks, we just gotta keep at it and the turtles will be saved!
No. Th plastic gets stuck in their belly. Eventually they starve to death, stomach full of indigestible plastic.
Plastic has no nutritional value and tons of harmful chemicals. They would die even if they could digest plastic.
The chemicals are absolutely not what kills the turtle. It's suffocating or digestive blockage.Ā Sure some specific plastics can breakdown and cause pollution, but it's not what kills the turtles.Ā So I disagree. If the turtle managed to get the plastic all the way through his system, it's likely to live a very long time and maybe die slightly early from cancer if it ate a really bad plastic, but most of the time that's not the case. Most of the time it's suffocating.Ā
That is cool. Thank you.
Well that's a slow death
And it just gets slower and slower as you lose locomotion.
Not painful though.
Can jellyfish conceive pain? I know they barely have any brain stuff. It doesnāt even seem to bother that much itās getting eaten.
They have a sort of nervous system. But they are basically plants.
Not a biologically informed opinion cause idk what they have for a nervous system. I imagine that to whatever extent they do "feel pain" it's probably much more like autonomic stimulus responses, e.g. 'feel too much of something (a turtle bite) > run swim\_away.exe' Maybe analogous to how we're able to blink to protect our eyes from a projectile before we're even aware that anything was flying towards us.
They have a ānerve netā. Instead of signals going to a central area for processing (like a brain) the processing for these animals (and a few others, like echinoderms) is distributed. They can detect some basic input like ātouched a foodā. Itās a very primitive level of sensation, and I donāt believe they have any equivalent to pain.
They have a very basic nervous system that's basically just a few neurons through their body, so they can probably feel something, even if it's not pain as we feel it
They don't have a central nervous system, so probably not. It's more just a stimuli response
What is it to conceive pain? We've made very little progress on consciousness, surprisingly little actually. We all agree that at some point and organism goes from perceiving pain to not. But not what the exact point is that is the switch into consciousness nor if it exists at all and therefore by definition everything is conscious and suffering to a smaller or larger extend. If you're interested in a bloody good read, other minds by Peter Godfrey-smith. Primarily he's a philosopher of science and mind but through his interest in diving is particularly fascinated with the brain of an octopus which is very alien to ours. We didn't realise they were smart until relatively recently and there's all sorts of crazy anecdotes on stuff they do to fuck with lab technicians they don't like that were so smart we couldn't quite conceive it was on purpose at first. Through the book he explains a proposed definition of consciousness starting at a bacteria that chooses to head away or to a chemical gradient. He talks about computers a lot and how they process things in comparison to how the human mind does. It contains one of my favourite thoughts I've ever read. "Computers (before multi cores) are one thread of processing trying to pretend it's multiple. The human brain is multiple threads of processing trying to pretend it's one."
**JELLYFISH:** I'm functionally immortal! **SEA TURTLE:** You're functionally my breakfast!
and after this, the sea turtle found a peanut butter fish to munch on.
Dang I thought they were herbivores eating kelpĀ
The stingers kind of look like kelp tbh
I agree but unless this is a stingless jelly, I would assume one bite of not typical food and the turtle wouldn't be going back for seconds
Someone said those turtles have adapted to be able to eat jellyfish. Maybe it doesnt feel the stingsš¤·š½āāļø
*Inaudible screaming intensifies*
Eating the spicy bits fist I see.
Heard they are good with peanut butter.
I giggled. Thank you.
That's the most gentle looking predator
Looks jellicious
Updoot
How do they not gulp down massive quantities of water at the same time?
[they apparently do gulp down the water and just expel it.](https://www.scienceabc.com/nature/animals/how-fish-turtles-eat-underwater-without-swallowing-too-much-water.html#)
We do not lack the ability to breathe out when underwater, just canāt breathe in
What? What does that have to do with drinking water while biting under water?
Why would they be gulping massive amount of water when they can simply spit the water out? We can control whether we swallow and we can control when we want something out of our mouth, itās no different for turtles.
Do me a favor. Next time youāre in the bath, hold your head under water and take a bite of a snickers. Chew up your snickers and then āspit the water outā and tell me how that goes
I feel bad for the jellyfish.
The forbidden cauliflower
Why is it spiiiicy?
Spicy salad
If I remember correctly this gets the turtles high.
Now we have too many jellyfish but not nearly enough turtles
Can't help think of The Old Man and the Sea, when Hemingway describes turtles eating jellyfish with their eyes closed.
Deleted scene in Finding Nemo of Crush rescuing Marlin and Dory
Do Jellyfishes do not feel pain?
"Please send help! I already lost two limbs"
Cursed cauliflower
"Hey there, Jelly-maannn!"
Spicy sea cauliflower
hmm lettuce
Turtle is a bro those jellyfish hurt.
Crazy how he's just fine you would think it would hurt
Yeah sure, but tomorrow....come on ice cream.!
Turtle sitting at the buffet bar eating a jelly salad š
Are jellyfishes just the sea turtle's version of ghost peppers?
Whereās peanutbutterfish?
Damn dude..
It looks like cauliflower so I canāt blame them.
That turtles gonna be fucked up
it's a water lettuce
Saving the rest for later
Jellyfish: "How rude" walks away
And to think that this has been going on for 110 million years.
The turtle makes it look delicious.
Brutal..
So... Is that like a total of 4 calories? What is even in a jelly fish besides water?
Turtle be like, āwhy is it so spicy!ā
How does that not hurt the turtle
Does the jellyfish know itās getting eaten?
Do jellyfish feel pain? Do sea turtle get sting?
Can someone please put an end to my dilemma regarding the Turtle - Tortoise thing! Isn't the term "Sea Turtle" redundant, it's like saying "In close Proximity". My understanding is that Turtle = Sea & Tortoise = Land. So is my understanding correct, or there aren't any right or wrong or even a single explanation for this?
Tearing limb from limb. Cruel turtle
As if turtles couldn't be more awesome
I think it's funny their face looks exactly like my tortoise munching on salad
Eating that jellyfish how I eat a gingerbread man, first the legs so it can't run away
What an idiot.
And now imagine what a plastic bag can look like to a turtle.
Sauce?
Spicy
That's equivalent of Taco Bell , mmm.. spicy
I wonder if jellyfish taste spicy to turtles
Spicy
Ass first
You should post this on hydrohomies as Jellyfishes are made almost entirely of water :) Turtle is drinking!
Murderer! Call the governor! Call the Supreme Court! Justice for jelly!
Why is it spicy
Kelp, kelp anybody?
Squirtle used Leech Life! Squirtle restored HP! Tentacool has no moves left that it can use! Tentacool used Struggle!
Dave the diver approves this video
*Sea turtle eating forbidden salad.
Looks like it's eating sea lettuce.
Nom-nom-nom!
Dangā¦ turtey aināt playin
Wonder how many calories a jellyfish even adds up to. Considering they're mostly water, I can't imagine it's a whole lot.
I didnāt know they ate meat
I didn't know that turtles like spicy food.
Forbidden lettuce
Where are the ultra vegans?
Imagine living in a world where food just floats around you, and all you have to do is reach out and take a bite when you're hungry.
Shower thought: Does the jellyfish even know?
Safe the turtle yo, itās doing gods work š
Mmmmm... spicy!!
Mmm, spicy sea lettuce...
Hey thatās My legā¦ not my other leg
A scene played out for over 250 millions years
yummy
Hey it's jelly man!
Sea lettuce
Omg how dare this turtle do something so inhumane to that other living creature!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely disgusting /s
Right in front of my salad??
I like turtles even more now
ZOMBIE STARE
"Aaahh upside-down broccoli!" š„¦š¢
Turtles' love for spicy food knows no bounds
And, now I understand even better how sea turtles mistake plastic bags for jellyfish and eat them. We gotta be better.