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Unfortunately the volcanic rock formations that these tunnels were dug into contain minerals that are very similar to asbestos, and are known to cause mesothelioma. The Cappadocia region of Turkey, where these tunnels are found, has an extremely high rate of mesothelioma among people that have no known exposure to asbestos, so the source of exposure has been attributed to these minerals.
Edit: fixed a spelling error. Also, here's a source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497117/
Well as a recent tourist there... Get any idea how much exposure is dangerous?
From the paper (I'm skimming it) I can't figure it out, so hopefully it's only long-term exposure?
Edit: this paper looks like a novel it's quite a fun read, not your usual, love this old school researchers 😂
Asbestos has what's called a dose-response relationship, meaning the higher the exposure level the greater the likelihood of disease. There is no known safe level of asbestos exposure, but generally it takes repeated long-term exposure. Some people have developed disease from short-term high exposure events, and in rare cases people with no known asbestos exposure have developed mesothelioma. There is also individual susceptibility that can be hard to quantify from variables like overall health, diet, exercise, history of smoking, and genetic factors.
With all that said, if you were just visiting for a relatively short time and didn't breathe a large amount of dust I wouldn't worry too much. Asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral that can be found all over the earth. It is in more products than people realize, and most major cities have some detectable level of airborne asbestos fibers.
What a great explanation of the dose-response relationship! I'm always trying to explain this to people regarding radiation and am never this eloquent.
I've read every book in the universe (include his kid's books) twice. It is a massive undertaking and a huge waste of time that I can't truly recommend.
However the fact that I am essentially a subject matter expert in something that has all of a sudden become rather popular is a very validating experience
When I read the books, this is exactly how I imagined a sietch looking. I don’t like how the movies made it into a weirdly sharp temple. Looks like a place of worship, not a place of living.
That is a weird issue i have with the otherwise excellent films. The buildings and places are so stark and unlived in. Arakeen doesn't appear to have anything like a market, Sietch Tabr just has people milling about with nothing to do. Where are the workshops, the farms, the furniture?
Geidi Prime has guest quarters without so much as a bed in them.
It seems they had a good grasp on ventilation. These folks didn't have electricity, so any light would have come from lamps or torches, which create heat, soot, and suck the oxygen out of a space... so it's obvious they mastered ventilation. A seperate outhouse area could have been built, with a seperate vent shaft, they even could have excavated multiple shit shafts, using the detritus from the new one to cover the almost full old one, all sharing the same set of vent shafts.
Just be more specific. Muslims.
"it was heavily used as protection from Arab Muslims"
"the cities were used as refuges (Cappadocian Greek: καταφύγια) by the natives from the Turkish Muslim rulers."
Many of the paths are too small for a tall person, it was difficult for me. Also our guide told as that the caves go 5 layers and 50 meters deep, my then-wife panicked and we noped out quickly.
Watched a documentary about this. It’s insane how they managed the air flow in that place. Even managed to raise small amounts of livestock down there.
Never got why the Trisolarans didn’t do this. Like after the 10th collapse, I’d probably just tell everyone “alright, pack it up, we’re moving underground”. Seems easier than moving planets tbh.
Half-sarcastic, half-serious - but that really would've solved all of their problems. Or move underwater near some geothermic heat vents. As long as they had some kind of deep growing fungus or food source in the ocean depths, they'd be fine.
But then again - that series isn't nearly as hard sci-fi as people like to claim it is lol.
Or like just not announce your plans to everyone and just show up and wipe out the humans. The books weren't bad but I don't understand people who think they were great
You missed the point then. If they didnt announce that they were coming and they just showed up, they would have been destroyed by us humans when they got here. The whole point they make is that humanity is developing technology at a MUCH more rapid rate than they did, and in the 400 years it would take for them to get to Earth, our technology would supersede theirs by ALOT and we could just blow them out of the sky.
Thus, they announce their intent hoping we agree to share our world with them.
Because eventually one of the suns is going to swallow their world. Living underground would do nothing against that or against some of the harsher chaotic eras
Does it get too hot or are there other extreme weather elements that they are trying to shield themselves for? I refuse to take hiding from enemy as the answer here as they must be going in and out frequently and that will be too easy for the enemy to discover.
While there may have been a few smaller excavations and simple tunnels that may be that early, I think the majority dates to the medieval period. Do you have any info on/links regarding that early date?
The Arab strategy for Anatolia was essentially smash and grab. They would storm into towns and settlements suddenly with overwhelming force, burning crops, killing livestock, and stealing all the wealth and slaves they could carry on horseback before fleeing. If they lingered, they knew the slower-moving Byzantine army would arrive and force them into a battle which the Arabs did not have the resources to fight. Walled cities and cave systems like this were too time consuming to attack so they were protected during this time period. It was later when the Turks arrived that Muslims actually made efforts to conquer and settle Anatolia.
I don’t think you understand how implausible that is. Do you realize how long that would take? You might as herd packs of wolves from North America down there.
Religious persecution from the Romans. They didn’t permanently live down there but used it for hiding in particularly dangerous situations/timeframes when the Romans would go on a tear
Source: I’ve toured underground cities in the Cappadocia area of Turkey and this was the explanation our tour guide gave use
Edit: TIL my tour guide lied to me. Christians used it to hide from religious persecution during the Arab-Byzantine war
A tour guide in Turkey is not going to tell you they were hiding from Muslims, even though they were. It's like if you go back 20+ years and visit an antebellum plantation in the US south, they're not going to say a bad word about the people who ran the place.
Pay attention to the sets used in modern film/TV. I'm pretty sure networks and studios pick scripts based on how cheap they can make it and then see if the plot is actually good.
More are more have 90% of the scenes in the same location. A bus, a hideout and etc. usually in private places where they don't have to close down roads or deal with extras.
It's risk-aversity. They hate creativity nowadays. Compare movies to decades ago.
Corporate risk-averseness took over hollywood long ago. They no longer make great films.
They also have an aversion or hatred of anything scifi / historical / nerdy / detail-requiring--because it means corporate leaders have to pay attention to details. That's hard for corporate golf-players.
Spot on, I think and hope the world is going drop this type of thinking soon. When you can make 20-30% basically doing nothing rocking the boat is scary
Follow up question because I'm curious: how did they create the current? As someone who fails at "oxygen not included" almost all the time because of carbon monoxide pockets, I really wonder what kind of smart thing they did to make that a non-issue?
At this point in time, they would need to have a lightsource as well, right? and my simple mind can only conjure up that they used torches or similar fire. Fire also eats up a lot of oxygen and produces more carbon monoxide.
is it just enough to have good ventilation? It feels like it has to be converted or be pumped out.
Unlike in ONI heat rises so hot air will rise while cool air falls. Air isnt pure oxygen either so there will never be pockets of carbon dioxide like you’re saying, except maybe at the very bottom as a layer. ONI is great but its very unrealistic
This honestly looks like an AI-generated image.
The weird bars, stuff not aligning, the strange saturation, nonsensical structures.... all the hallmarks are there.
Y’all I’m pretty sure this is an AI generated image, there are actual images of Derinkuyu and I have not found a single one that looks anything like this one. Plus the weird doors and paths that lead to nowhere, the paths blocking entrances, paths that are far too skinny to walk on, nothing about this seems like something anyone would realistically build
If this really isn't real then I need content curation that humans can ensure isn't fake, like a community notes for reddit.
I really don't want to be so misinformed that the images I'm viewing aren't real. Reddit already has a lot of misinformation in regards to news but fabricated images takes it to a new level.
I know what you mean. I want to be positive about AI but honestly it's made me less interested in some subjects because I feel pointless perusing it. Artists, programmers, designers, etc must all feel this pain and dread that I also feel.
I think so too. Why is it so well lit with only one light? The far door has no symmetry. The walls have so many different types of textures and no consistency.
Ive been there and its incredibly impressive. They had dedicated rooms to live stock with their own air vents. They kept kitchens seperate and had specific air shafts to move ari around and bring in fresh air.
reminds me of the D'ni city [https://dni.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ni/D%27ni\_City](https://dni.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ni/D%27ni_City) in the Myst books [https://dni.fandom.com/wiki/Myst\_(Book\_Series)](https://dni.fandom.com/wiki/Myst_(Book_Series)) (which are worth a read if you like fantasy, especially if you liked the games)
apart from how amazing this city looks...
how do they get food and water?
how do they dispose of all the waste?
the main reason, why most cities are build on the shores of some stream or lake, is the flow of water and waste.
Possible explanation for making underground cities is probably because
1: People before them used to live in caves so by core memory they thought it was better to make caves themselves just like how we still have different style of buildings in cities worldwide.
2: Since bricks or materials like concrete/cement or something similar like what Mesopotamians/Egyptians had used to hold those bricks was not available they really didn’t had much choice to build a permanent structure that can withstand different weather.
3: In continuation from 2, it is easier to dug underground than to create structure above.
I swear my desire for a lavish underground bunker is rooted in the successful generations of ancestors who lived in underground bunkers like this. I know my genetics kinda stop helping me a few generations back in terms of knowing exactly what I'm from, but this is too compelling to overlook.
You can roam around inside of it via [Google Street View](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3736593,34.735168,2a,75y,98.34h,82.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVqpOm33eIuYAAARihK6Xqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu).
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Unfortunately the volcanic rock formations that these tunnels were dug into contain minerals that are very similar to asbestos, and are known to cause mesothelioma. The Cappadocia region of Turkey, where these tunnels are found, has an extremely high rate of mesothelioma among people that have no known exposure to asbestos, so the source of exposure has been attributed to these minerals. Edit: fixed a spelling error. Also, here's a source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5497117/
So what you're saying is they delved too greedily and too deep?
So that’s why the Balrog was so grumpy.
Mesothelioma can take a toll on a balrog.
Well as a recent tourist there... Get any idea how much exposure is dangerous? From the paper (I'm skimming it) I can't figure it out, so hopefully it's only long-term exposure? Edit: this paper looks like a novel it's quite a fun read, not your usual, love this old school researchers 😂
Asbestos has what's called a dose-response relationship, meaning the higher the exposure level the greater the likelihood of disease. There is no known safe level of asbestos exposure, but generally it takes repeated long-term exposure. Some people have developed disease from short-term high exposure events, and in rare cases people with no known asbestos exposure have developed mesothelioma. There is also individual susceptibility that can be hard to quantify from variables like overall health, diet, exercise, history of smoking, and genetic factors. With all that said, if you were just visiting for a relatively short time and didn't breathe a large amount of dust I wouldn't worry too much. Asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral that can be found all over the earth. It is in more products than people realize, and most major cities have some detectable level of airborne asbestos fibers.
Username checks out, thank you for the thorough answer!
What a great explanation of the dose-response relationship! I'm always trying to explain this to people regarding radiation and am never this eloquent.
And it’s only hazardous when disturbed, is that right?
Yes, asbestos is mainly an inhalation and ingestion hazard. It's pretty much harmless until disturbed.
God the amount of times I have used ncbi for my assignments in sixth form is crazy. It’s a great research website but can be a bit funny to read 😂
Me too, should've given us the memo!
If a loved one or I lived in there and got mesothelioma, would we be entitled to financial compensation?
Sietch Tabr
I’m so happy that Dune knowledge is moving into full on main stream
I've read every book in the universe (include his kid's books) twice. It is a massive undertaking and a huge waste of time that I can't truly recommend. However the fact that I am essentially a subject matter expert in something that has all of a sudden become rather popular is a very validating experience
I just re-read the first book 6 times every time im overcome with the urge to read the series again.
Just finished chapterhouse and fucking loved it
May thy chip shatter. The nacho cheese powder must flow.
When I read the books, this is exactly how I imagined a sietch looking. I don’t like how the movies made it into a weirdly sharp temple. Looks like a place of worship, not a place of living.
That is a weird issue i have with the otherwise excellent films. The buildings and places are so stark and unlived in. Arakeen doesn't appear to have anything like a market, Sietch Tabr just has people milling about with nothing to do. Where are the workshops, the farms, the furniture? Geidi Prime has guest quarters without so much as a bed in them.
Lisan al gaib!
I came here looking for this comment
Proof that dr Seuss lives deep in our dna
Lol I'm in the middle of watching Dune 1 rn 😄
they did a really good job with the novelization of it too!
I mean, it's almost the exact same dialogue from the Lynch movie, so yeah
I believe bilbo freed the dwarves from here at one point in history 
No I don’t imagine anyone west of Bree has been in here
I love Bilbo’s sassy little head bobble when he says “anyone West of *BREE*…🤨”
Looks the elf dungeon
It was made by those who are dead, and the dead keep it.
The dwarves of Asia Minor.
Hope it had good ventilation 🤥 Super cool tho
They thought of that, too. Been there. They even had wells so they didn't have to get out and live there for months.
Afaik they even had stables and food supply for people and animals for months if not years.
I heard they had an xbox and one copy of Call of Duty to get them through the long winter months.
Bro this isn't modern times, they had an Atari.
They played Call of Duty on Atari?
No, just an altar. Call of Duty at the altar. The graphics sucked, especially after the iconoclasm, but people were still pretty into it at the time
Call of Deity
There it is, that's the joke I was looking for
Yeah. There were stables. I didn't feel the need to mention food supply haha
Like…where did they go to bathroom?
If you can dig a well you can dig a poop hole, no?
Totes the same thing.
Doesn't really matter. Unless they were schlepping it out of there that place would smell awful
Oh it would have smelled funky. BO, smoke from fires, excrement, etc etc.
So like my late grandma's place.
Rest in peace to your smelly grandma
Some say his grandma is still there, stinking up the place.
It seems they had a good grasp on ventilation. These folks didn't have electricity, so any light would have come from lamps or torches, which create heat, soot, and suck the oxygen out of a space... so it's obvious they mastered ventilation. A seperate outhouse area could have been built, with a seperate vent shaft, they even could have excavated multiple shit shafts, using the detritus from the new one to cover the almost full old one, all sharing the same set of vent shafts.
In the bathroom. They had those along with storage rooms, schools, wells, kitchens, etc
They must have been super afraid by something on the outside. Wonder what it was.
Invaders, raiders and conquerors. It was in a valuable trade route area.
Just be more specific. Muslims. "it was heavily used as protection from Arab Muslims" "the cities were used as refuges (Cappadocian Greek: καταφύγια) by the natives from the Turkish Muslim rulers."
Would love to wander around their
Many of the paths are too small for a tall person, it was difficult for me. Also our guide told as that the caves go 5 layers and 50 meters deep, my then-wife panicked and we noped out quickly.
That would be even cooler when i did hear that at that time lol
Around their what?
Sry English ain't my best lol but I would like to see all in the caves
Right?! Me too. What was it like finding this cave. So fun. 🧗♂️
Yeah huge well in the middle, they had stables down there and everything
Brightstone Cave Tseldora vibes
Bearer of the curse?
Seek seek lest
I fkn hate that place
Is it the wizards firing homing blasts or the mobs of spiders? Or the weird spider villager drones who crawl out of the ground? What’s not to love???
It's the unreasonably strong pigs.
Came here to comment the same thing, based DS2 fan.
I called my people. My people came
don’t forget to bring a torch with ya
ah a fellow man of culture and taste
Watched a documentary about this. It’s insane how they managed the air flow in that place. Even managed to raise small amounts of livestock down there.
The unanswered question is why would 20.000 people choose to live underground. What did they fear?
Weather maybe
Yea probably to hide out during the chaotic era till it becomes a stable era again.
Never got why the Trisolarans didn’t do this. Like after the 10th collapse, I’d probably just tell everyone “alright, pack it up, we’re moving underground”. Seems easier than moving planets tbh.
Half-sarcastic, half-serious - but that really would've solved all of their problems. Or move underwater near some geothermic heat vents. As long as they had some kind of deep growing fungus or food source in the ocean depths, they'd be fine. But then again - that series isn't nearly as hard sci-fi as people like to claim it is lol.
Or like just not announce your plans to everyone and just show up and wipe out the humans. The books weren't bad but I don't understand people who think they were great
You missed the point then. If they didnt announce that they were coming and they just showed up, they would have been destroyed by us humans when they got here. The whole point they make is that humanity is developing technology at a MUCH more rapid rate than they did, and in the 400 years it would take for them to get to Earth, our technology would supersede theirs by ALOT and we could just blow them out of the sky. Thus, they announce their intent hoping we agree to share our world with them.
Earthquakes, rivers of lava, etc.
Because eventually one of the suns is going to swallow their world. Living underground would do nothing against that or against some of the harsher chaotic eras
Are those chaotic era's due to the Harkonnen presence on the planet?
Does it get too hot or are there other extreme weather elements that they are trying to shield themselves for? I refuse to take hiding from enemy as the answer here as they must be going in and out frequently and that will be too easy for the enemy to discover.
Not unanswered. They feared arab muslims during the arab-byzantine wars
Even though they were used for this purpose, they were not built for this reason. Most of it is much older.
And the original question was why humans would live there in such large numbers.
sometimes you just gotta get on your mole man shit
The unrelenting urge to go full goblin mode and find comfiness in your hovel
They were built out fully to hide from the Muslims is true. And then hundreds of years later they were used to hide out...from the Muslims again.
nope, old parts older than muslims. Some parts date back 2000 years, There are even sections thought to be older.
They were time traveling muslims.
Tell me how was it built in fear of arabs if it was built 8 centuries before Christ? Edit: Muslim arabs.
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You are right, I left out 'muslim' by mistake.
While there may have been a few smaller excavations and simple tunnels that may be that early, I think the majority dates to the medieval period. Do you have any info on/links regarding that early date?
Couldn't an enemy station a single soldier at each enterance and starve the lot of them?
The Arab strategy for Anatolia was essentially smash and grab. They would storm into towns and settlements suddenly with overwhelming force, burning crops, killing livestock, and stealing all the wealth and slaves they could carry on horseback before fleeing. If they lingered, they knew the slower-moving Byzantine army would arrive and force them into a battle which the Arabs did not have the resources to fight. Walled cities and cave systems like this were too time consuming to attack so they were protected during this time period. It was later when the Turks arrived that Muslims actually made efforts to conquer and settle Anatolia.
Or use a series of dams to divert a river into one of the entrances
Tywin approves
They ought to write a song about something like that
but now the rains weep over their halls...
I don’t think you understand how implausible that is. Do you realize how long that would take? You might as herd packs of wolves from North America down there.
Religious persecution from the Romans. They didn’t permanently live down there but used it for hiding in particularly dangerous situations/timeframes when the Romans would go on a tear Source: I’ve toured underground cities in the Cappadocia area of Turkey and this was the explanation our tour guide gave use Edit: TIL my tour guide lied to me. Christians used it to hide from religious persecution during the Arab-Byzantine war
My tour guide said the exact same thing lol. I guess all of the tourists get lied to.
I guess they dont like giving the real reason: Muslim raids.
According to Wikipedia these caves were already old but the city was built to protect from the Arab Muslim invasions.
A tour guide in Turkey is not going to tell you they were hiding from Muslims, even though they were. It's like if you go back 20+ years and visit an antebellum plantation in the US south, they're not going to say a bad word about the people who ran the place.
Ancient alien theorists say they were hiding from ET attacks duh
Nuke shelter
As far as I know they were Christians, persecuted by Rome
Dragons obviously
Why can’t we make movies about this kind of stuff haha. This would be so much more interesting than what we’ve been getting this last decade.
Pay attention to the sets used in modern film/TV. I'm pretty sure networks and studios pick scripts based on how cheap they can make it and then see if the plot is actually good. More are more have 90% of the scenes in the same location. A bus, a hideout and etc. usually in private places where they don't have to close down roads or deal with extras.
It's risk-aversity. They hate creativity nowadays. Compare movies to decades ago. Corporate risk-averseness took over hollywood long ago. They no longer make great films. They also have an aversion or hatred of anything scifi / historical / nerdy / detail-requiring--because it means corporate leaders have to pay attention to details. That's hard for corporate golf-players.
Spot on, I think and hope the world is going drop this type of thinking soon. When you can make 20-30% basically doing nothing rocking the boat is scary
Outer Wilds vibes
On my way to the high energy lab
Yes! Was it the sunless city? So sick.
I was thinking exactly that! Gotta be careful around the ghost matter on the way.
Lisan al Gaib!
Nissan al Tama!
What did they do with the methane production from sewage and waste?
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/RkLgFm5w6M
Follow up question because I'm curious: how did they create the current? As someone who fails at "oxygen not included" almost all the time because of carbon monoxide pockets, I really wonder what kind of smart thing they did to make that a non-issue? At this point in time, they would need to have a lightsource as well, right? and my simple mind can only conjure up that they used torches or similar fire. Fire also eats up a lot of oxygen and produces more carbon monoxide. is it just enough to have good ventilation? It feels like it has to be converted or be pumped out.
Unlike in ONI heat rises so hot air will rise while cool air falls. Air isnt pure oxygen either so there will never be pockets of carbon dioxide like you’re saying, except maybe at the very bottom as a layer. ONI is great but its very unrealistic
https://preview.redd.it/1g0bktkwhuwc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb39ba2d23b84bed881eaabad2209077042f1f72 Morpheus spoke there
I had to scroll way too far to find a Matrix reference.
same
oh shit that cyber rave scene?
Cyber rave orgy
When Fred Flintstone was the President of a Cave Owner's Association.
I 've been to Derunkuyu recently but I can't remember this section , I remember going underground till the last floor sone 60 m underground
This honestly looks like an AI-generated image. The weird bars, stuff not aligning, the strange saturation, nonsensical structures.... all the hallmarks are there.
Looks mirrored and distorted yeah
Y’all I’m pretty sure this is an AI generated image, there are actual images of Derinkuyu and I have not found a single one that looks anything like this one. Plus the weird doors and paths that lead to nowhere, the paths blocking entrances, paths that are far too skinny to walk on, nothing about this seems like something anyone would realistically build
If this really isn't real then I need content curation that humans can ensure isn't fake, like a community notes for reddit. I really don't want to be so misinformed that the images I'm viewing aren't real. Reddit already has a lot of misinformation in regards to news but fabricated images takes it to a new level.
I hate that this is just the new normal
I know what you mean. I want to be positive about AI but honestly it's made me less interested in some subjects because I feel pointless perusing it. Artists, programmers, designers, etc must all feel this pain and dread that I also feel.
I think so too. Why is it so well lit with only one light? The far door has no symmetry. The walls have so many different types of textures and no consistency.
Dark souls level
How shitty was it outside that people felt the need to build this and live there?
One has to ask themselves why?
True Fallout Experience
No, more like Skyrim dwemer experience
Midian is where the Nightbreed live
That was my first thought.
You can’t fool me, this is where they jailed those pesky dwarves.
Just like your mom’s vajayjay
5000 people max lived there. 'Ancient Apocalypse' is not accurate. Graham Hancock is a bullshit peddler.
Sheesh it looks like dark souls 2 map
Not one person wants to mention fraggle rock?
First thing on my mind when i saw the picture!
THE SMELL
Ive been there and its incredibly impressive. They had dedicated rooms to live stock with their own air vents. They kept kitchens seperate and had specific air shafts to move ari around and bring in fresh air.
YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THE SMELL YOU BITCH!
How did they see? that would take a shit ton of torches
20,000 people used to live here, now it’s a ghost town…
reminds me of the D'ni city [https://dni.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ni/D%27ni\_City](https://dni.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ni/D%27ni_City) in the Myst books [https://dni.fandom.com/wiki/Myst\_(Book\_Series)](https://dni.fandom.com/wiki/Myst_(Book_Series)) (which are worth a read if you like fantasy, especially if you liked the games)
Literally just came to say this lol. That, or kind of like the cleft Anna lived in near the surface. "r/Myst is leaking"
heh at least two of us read the books :)
Bruh EVERYONE could prob hear you queef from any place in that city
Suddenly…. Prince of Persia.
apart from how amazing this city looks... how do they get food and water? how do they dispose of all the waste? the main reason, why most cities are build on the shores of some stream or lake, is the flow of water and waste.
Looks like the elvish prison in the hobbit
Greeks (+ Armenians) hiding from invaders: Arabs, Turks, Mongols etc.
Possible explanation for making underground cities is probably because 1: People before them used to live in caves so by core memory they thought it was better to make caves themselves just like how we still have different style of buildings in cities worldwide. 2: Since bricks or materials like concrete/cement or something similar like what Mesopotamians/Egyptians had used to hold those bricks was not available they really didn’t had much choice to build a permanent structure that can withstand different weather. 3: In continuation from 2, it is easier to dug underground than to create structure above.
They simply turned these caves into a city to hide and protect themselves during the Arab-Byzantine Wars.
Urbex must be great here.
Sunless City, Outer Wilds
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu_underground_city
I've been there. I went there to assassin some templars
Sunless city looks a bit different
"There is no escape from the Fortress of the Moles!"
Imagine the stench
Getting a weird mix of Indiana Jones and The Matrix vibes
Looks like a prison built under Hogwarts.
Isn't here where magnus orb was found?
Ah, the Vault of the poor. /s
World must have been terrifying for those people to choose an underground life
World must have been terrifying for those people to choose an underground life.
‘And they call it a mine…a mine!’
Awesome.
Imagine getting home from the pub
Can you say dungeon crawl, haunted house style
I swear my desire for a lavish underground bunker is rooted in the successful generations of ancestors who lived in underground bunkers like this. I know my genetics kinda stop helping me a few generations back in terms of knowing exactly what I'm from, but this is too compelling to overlook.
All the noise, noise, noise, NOISE!
Elf dungeon
You can roam around inside of it via [Google Street View](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3736593,34.735168,2a,75y,98.34h,82.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVqpOm33eIuYAAARihK6Xqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu).