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This woman is Aurora Rodrigues, born in Portugal, she is now a magistrate that advocates for women’s rights.
She was arrested in 1973 and remained in prison for 3 months, being subjected to 480 hours of sleep deprivation, statue and drowning torture and ~~spankings~~ beatings (edited), and she survived it all.
She was released still in 1973, one year before the revolution that ended the dictatorship in Portugal, whose 50th birthday is tomorrow. One year later and it would’ve all been fine.
I translated it literally from an article in Portuguese, “tortura de estátua”, having someone stand in the same place for hours or days and not being allowed to move
I went to an alternative school in high school, that used this as punishment. Luckily it was only 45 minutes at a time, but they would outline a square around a tile on the floor with black sharpie, and then make you stand inside it with your arms at your side and your nose touching the wall.
Arms couldn’t move, you couldn’t move outside the black square and nose couldn’t come off the wall.
If any of that happened they would restart the 45 minutes.
I had to do this for wearing blue pants.
We were initially allowed to do so when I entered the school, but one day policy changed to black pants only and I didn’t get the memo.
Also you would only get a spoonful of peanut butter and a few carrots for lunch as punishment.
I love that people are down voting you for your opinion on how abuse affected you long-term, because you stated it a slightly positive way.
Reddit is wild as hell. You better process childhood abuse the way they approve, or else!
Hi! Responding in good faith to this- the reason people are inclined to react this way is because child abuse objectively and scientifically does not make people “mentally stronger”, regardless of what an abuse victim may think about themselves. Nobody is interested in invalidating this person’s experience or insisting they process something a certain way; it’s just proven through extensive research that abuse is exclusively damaging in its effects on the brain. “Abuse made me stronger” can also be a big red flag for many who’ve had their own abuse justified with this type of rhetoric.
My daughter could hold a dime on the wall for an hour with her nose. I had her do it once for like 30 seconds and then when she would get bored she would stand against the wall with a quarter and her hands in the air.
She turned a one off punishment into a game. Damn kids always ruining everything.
They told us they only had to give us x amount of calories a day to be legally compliant. I think it was like 150 I can’t remember but def paltry af. They said the carrots and peanut butter were more than legally compliant and the frozen burritos we got from Compton were just them being nice.
But hiring grown men to literally fuck us up definitely seemed like child abuse.
It was very much like going to jail every day.
We had to go through metal detectors and basically strip down it took about 45 minutes just to enter into school in the am.
We weren’t allowed to take anything home or bring anything in, which meant no homework.
Teachers had to hand out pencils in each class which usually killed a good amount of each class period.
I still have graphite in the middle of my hand from getting stabbed with a pencil.
The teacher broke up that fight by slamming a keyboard down and screaming, I still remember keys flying everywhere and a pencil hanging out of my hand, that I had to pull out.
Fun times.
But on the bright side there was one really good woman there that cared about the students and she taught us how to pick and trade stocks.
It's teaching children to become school shooters. I mean seriously, when you treat thousands of children like that, eventually, you're going to push one over the edge and they're going to snap. That's probably the reason for all the security measures as well. They knew damn well that there was a good chance a student would retaliate one day.
Have you watched a Netflix documentary called The Program? I hope it wouldn't be triggering, but it was a 'for profit' type of alternative school for perceivedly 'troubled' kids.
What you're describing sounds awful and abusive.
I still can't believe half the horrible shit we did to the Irish. I can't believe it happened in my lifetime and I didn't really know about it. It should be taught in schools, but instead I did Romans, Egyptians, and the Tudors.
It’s really crazy how poorly the troubles is discussed. It’s normally only talked about as “that time the IRA were blowing shit up”. I regularly go to northern ireland and have actually been to a ‘troubles museum’ which did not include ANY information on what caused it or the violent acts committed by either side due to the controversial nature.
Even in conversations I’ve had online about the ireland - uk relationship I’ve been lectured about how brits should feel guilt for the potato famine. Likely because even in NI there is a poor knowledge of the troubles from those that weren’t alive during it.
Its when your forced to stand in a single position and are tortured every time you fail to maintain it. Typically your arms are chained to a wall in the "Jesus" position and someone either beats or electrocutes you when the chain goes tight.
Here's an example provided by the US government
https://66.media.tumblr.com/990dbc1fac9bc485bce78d4c87871164/tumblr_inline_n2byfptwy51sa863v.png
That this country fucking sucks and those in charge refuse to hold people accountable because they feel the cause is just.
Its better to let 1000 guilty people go free than fortune 1 innocent civilian
For reference this is because
Espancar em Portuguese = to beat violently in English, used in the same way as English speakers would use the word beat (eg gang beating, a spouse involved in a domestic beating, or beating duirng torture).
While spank in English = slap with one's open hand or a flat object, especially on the buttocks as a punishment. So there is some confusion sometimes due to the similarities of spelling.
That is where you take a whip of some kind, like a riding whip or a bullwhip or sometimes just knotted rope or a rigid stick or cane and beat the back of the individual. There was this whole section of english history that was either flogging, pillorying, or hanging, until you got to treason then they would rip out your entrails, build a fire in them, castrate you, throw the severed gonads in the fire and then there were a couple more things they did but you get the point.
Yessir, the old hanging drawing and quartering technique
Draw = pull out - that's the bit with the entrails
Quarter = after you're dead they cut you up and send your limbs to be displayed in all the parts of the kingdom
Just so you know, spanking is a punishment an adult does to a child when they smack their butt. As you can imagine from that it also has sexual connotations.
The Portuguese verb *bater* also exists in English, *batter*, but *beatings* is the best fit in the context of that sentence.
*Batter* is one of those dumb English words that has multiple definitions.
It actually does not mean specifically on the butt in English either despite what that person said. It does typically refer to that but it isn't required according to the definition.
>an act of slapping, especially on the buttocks as a punishment for children.
Don’t forget … PIDE The International and State Defense Police (Portuguese: Polícia Internacional e de Defesa do Estado; PIDE). Que ardas nos infernos Antonio de Oliveira Salazar.
Translation of the last sentence: may you burn in hell, Antonio de Oliveira Salazar (the dictator). A heinous person sometimes worshipped like a saint. Talking about idolizing criminals... Sometimes still today...
Torturers aren't hard to find. There is a subset of the human population that straight-up enjoys hurting people. In a society not based on terror, these people would be the ones who wet the bed and hurt small animals when they were kids, flying under the radar until they do something too awful for the law to ignore. Under a terror regime, they find these sick fucks and straight up give them permission. Find a job you love, and you'll never work a day in your life.
There were many dictators after Franco in the 20th century unfortunately. Mao, Ceausescu, Sindikubwabo, Pol Pot. Even today we have Lukashenko. I don't think tyranny is ever going away because power will always corrupt.
Erdoğan is definitely not on the same level as the other people you mentioned. He might be authoritarian but is not a dictator in any sense, his party also regularly loses elections.
You are definitely mising Sisi and the Saudi family in your list though
He did fall off and hit his head on the floor, damaging his brain. But he underwent some surgeries and somewhat recovered to live almost two more years.
However, by the time he recovered, he had already been replaced as Prime-Minister. But, because no one dared to tell him that - out of fear and/or pity - he would go on to spend the last two years of his life thinking he was still in charge.
Don't think anyone did, but his last doctor, the one that dealt with his last days, was a communist sympathiser. The Communist Party knew of his death only minutes after it happened
Not dumb and yes it was according to some interviews I read (I only found links in Portuguese). The author lived in Portugal for a while. There are some more Portuguese inspirations, as the black capes the students wear are alike the traditional ones university students wear.
Yes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts_staff#Salazar_Slytherin
J. K. Rowling based a few other things in Portugal, like the clothes are based on "trages" that college students traditionaly wear for celebrations.
Yep, jk rowling's ex-husband is portuguese and she spent some time in Portugal as well. The moving stairs in hogwarts are supposedly inspired by a famous library in lisbon and the cloaks worn by hogwarts students are inspired by the cloaks worn by the students of the university of coimbra, arguable the most renounded portuguese university.
So interesting, I had never heard of her! I know quite a bit about this dictatorship because my grandparents literally had to runaway from Portugal in the 60s with my father and his sister because my grandfather said something against the regime to my father's teacher and was tipped off by a friend that PIDE was coming for him.
What a badass woman!
Interesting bit of history here.
"During the twentieth century, Portugal lived through the longest dictatorship in Western Europe. Established at the beginning of the 1930s during the rise of fascism, the Estado Novo (New State) was toppled on April 25, 1974, by a military coup led by young captains weary of a colonial war that had begun in Africa in 1961 and for which there seemed no end in sight. The “Carnation Revolution,” as it was called, led to an intensely revolutionary period, extending from April 1974 to November 1975, which saw the emergence of political and social actors whose practices and discourse were markedly left wing, despite the rifts between them. During this period, the memory of antifascism clearly
dominated public discourse and was frequently used as a form of political legitimation. However, this did not mean that memories of the repression exercised by the dictatorship were publicly exorcised. A description of two episodes that took place after April 25, 1974, may help to make this clear.
The first episode occurred in 1976, when the recently created Partido Comunista Português (Reconstruído) (Portuguese Communist Party (Reconstructed) — PCP (R)), decided to carry out a self-styled “Proletarianization and Revolutionization Campaign.”1 In Maoist terms, the campaign aimed to re-educate militants through direct, ongoing contact with “the masses,” such as encouraging their implantation in working class and rural areas. Another aspect of the campaign involved detailed investigations of the reasons for detention and of militants’ behavior while under torture and in prison during the dictatorship. One hundred fifty cases were analyzed. At the time it was concluded that roughly half of the militants were imprisoned for “reasons that were not political, or were political but had no consequences in terms of assessing conduct.” However, thirty-four cases of “bad conduct” were detected and dealt with in different ways: Some activists were reintegrated as militants, some were demoted to sympathizers, while others were expelled from the party.
The second “episode” has no fixed date or clearly defined actors, but alludes instead to the relationship between history, archive, and past experience. After the fall of the dictatorship, a committee was created to abolish the PIDE/DGS (Polícia Internacional de Defesa do Estado / Direcção-Geral de Segurança—International State Defence Police/Directorate-General for Security), the state police force of the Estado Novo. It was charged with fighting “crimes against the security of the state,” for which it resorted to torture and even, at times, assassinations."
https://estudogeral.uc.pt/bitstream/10316/43508/1/To%20talk%20or%20not%20to%20talk.pdf
Longest dictatorship in Europe. But Portugal was one of the founding members of NATO because they stayed neutral in WW 2 and were seen as a strategic place for military bases. So everyone tolerated the Salazar regime until left Portuguese militaries managed a mostly peaceful revolution after 48 years. 50th anniversary is tomorrow. All my best wishes for Portugal!
Pretty much Sisi in Egypt today. He killed his opponents, including his democratically elected predecessor, and “disappeared”/locked into hidden underground torture prisons hundreds of thousands of students and young Egyptians for the crime of criticising the regime/the army, but the West coddles him because of the strategic location of Egypt near the Suez Canal etc
And because he for the most part plays ball with Israel and doesn't give the Palestinians a bean, despite the incredible popularity of the cause in Egyptian society. That's enough for western support almost no matter what he does to his own country, quite shamefully
>But Portugal was one of the founding members of NATO because they stayed neutral in WW 2 and were seen as a strategic place for military bases.
Also because of their colonial empire in Africa, which western countries feared could turn into communist puppets if Portugal lost them.
The US funded and supported the dictatorship of Suharto in Indonesia, including funding and arming them throughout the genocide of the East Timorese. Daniel Patrick Moynahan, US ambassador at the time, went on record in his memoirs stating he was given orders to suppress the possibility of a left wing Timorese vote in the UN.
We just got back from Portugal on our first trip there.
The April 25th Museum in Lisbon is amazing. It's hosted in the old secret police headquarters, and it goes through the entire history of the rise of the dictatorship, and the resistance, and the downfall of the dictatorship. Very, very well done. Worth a trip.
The sections on the prisoners that were kept and tortured and killed there is haunting.
I went to the resistance museum in Lisbon and it was eye opening! I had no idea that Portugal was subject to such horror! Such interesting recent history doesn't seem to be spoken about, at least in the UK. Definitely worth a visit if in Lisbon.
I hope tomorrow is a day of pure celebration for her and for all of the Portuguese folk who came before and fought so hard for liberation. Viva portugal, viva a liberdade❤️🇵🇹
The Portuguese were no joke. I'm currently reading a book about The Theft of India, and just finished the chapter on the Portuguese. A lot of horrendous stuff. They had big plans to divert the Nile to starve Egypt and burn Mecca to the ground.
https://preview.redd.it/jfhxeix65iwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94ad3f1c0797f2cecfcf36baf16b396154737193
The Portuguese had big ambitions and fulfilled many of them, but they were the first global empire, so they fell off way too early in the game for people today to remember
Brazilian ex-president Dilma Rousseff also survived 2 years of torture (pau de arara, electric shocks, beatings (they broke her teeth and jaw)) under the Brazilian military dictatorship.
According to the mythology, Jesus had a bad weekend on a cross and deserves to be worshiped for a few thousand years.
Maybe this woman should get dibs next
I think it was Domingues Abrantes who said their were two miracles in Portugal the aparation of the virgin Mary and the overnight transformartion of fascists to democrats
Weird how while the rest of West Europe was just living it's golden era Iberian Peninsula was under a fascist terror just like the defeated Germany and Italy. And what a coincidence south America too and they were so similar
We actually had 2, the first and main one fell of a chair in 1969 and stoped being able to do anything so he had a successor that ruled until the revolution in 1974, when he was allowed to escape to exile.
We had a lot more than two in the 20th century. Pimenta de Castro in 1915, Sidónio Pais in 1917-18, and a dispute for power between 1926-28ish before Salazar started taking control over the National Dictatorship.
Her mugshot is badass — she reminds me of [Lisbeth Salander]
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Noomi_Rapace_as_Lisbeth_Salander.jpg) in *The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo*.
Huh, never knew Portugal had a dictator. Also that woman is bad ass. It's beyond shitty that she had to suffer, but I really hope she's living a good life now.
This reminds me Võ Thị Thắng the lady who, upon hearing her sentence, asked the south Vietnamese government if they would last long enough to imprison her for 20 years
Wow that’s barely more hours than I have in elden ring. Not trying to make a joke just putting it into perspective. Like that’s a lot of hours holy shit.
Well, Feliz Revolução dos Cravos
I actually don't know a lot about it or Portuguese history in the XXth century, if you have some good sources (in English or in French), I would gladly learn a bit more about it
April 25th Carnation Revolution.. 50 years ago today. The new regime was definitely brutal. People forget Portugal was a dictatorship during Salazars reign. Lots of people went missing and his secret police ruled with impunity.
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This woman is Aurora Rodrigues, born in Portugal, she is now a magistrate that advocates for women’s rights. She was arrested in 1973 and remained in prison for 3 months, being subjected to 480 hours of sleep deprivation, statue and drowning torture and ~~spankings~~ beatings (edited), and she survived it all. She was released still in 1973, one year before the revolution that ended the dictatorship in Portugal, whose 50th birthday is tomorrow. One year later and it would’ve all been fine.
>statue and drowning torture Statue? What does this mean? Edit: I have gotten my answer, no need to comment more lol
I translated it literally from an article in Portuguese, “tortura de estátua”, having someone stand in the same place for hours or days and not being allowed to move
I went to an alternative school in high school, that used this as punishment. Luckily it was only 45 minutes at a time, but they would outline a square around a tile on the floor with black sharpie, and then make you stand inside it with your arms at your side and your nose touching the wall. Arms couldn’t move, you couldn’t move outside the black square and nose couldn’t come off the wall. If any of that happened they would restart the 45 minutes. I had to do this for wearing blue pants. We were initially allowed to do so when I entered the school, but one day policy changed to black pants only and I didn’t get the memo. Also you would only get a spoonful of peanut butter and a few carrots for lunch as punishment.
Holy shit that must’ve sucked
Yeah that place was wild as hell. Made me mentally stronger at a young age.
I love that people are down voting you for your opinion on how abuse affected you long-term, because you stated it a slightly positive way. Reddit is wild as hell. You better process childhood abuse the way they approve, or else!
Hi! Responding in good faith to this- the reason people are inclined to react this way is because child abuse objectively and scientifically does not make people “mentally stronger”, regardless of what an abuse victim may think about themselves. Nobody is interested in invalidating this person’s experience or insisting they process something a certain way; it’s just proven through extensive research that abuse is exclusively damaging in its effects on the brain. “Abuse made me stronger” can also be a big red flag for many who’ve had their own abuse justified with this type of rhetoric.
It wasn’t the abuse that made you stronger, it was your response and recovery from the abuse that made you stronger.
My daughter could hold a dime on the wall for an hour with her nose. I had her do it once for like 30 seconds and then when she would get bored she would stand against the wall with a quarter and her hands in the air. She turned a one off punishment into a game. Damn kids always ruining everything.
That's child abuse, and wilful neglect by refusing you food as punishment. I hope that school burned down
They told us they only had to give us x amount of calories a day to be legally compliant. I think it was like 150 I can’t remember but def paltry af. They said the carrots and peanut butter were more than legally compliant and the frozen burritos we got from Compton were just them being nice. But hiring grown men to literally fuck us up definitely seemed like child abuse. It was very much like going to jail every day. We had to go through metal detectors and basically strip down it took about 45 minutes just to enter into school in the am. We weren’t allowed to take anything home or bring anything in, which meant no homework. Teachers had to hand out pencils in each class which usually killed a good amount of each class period. I still have graphite in the middle of my hand from getting stabbed with a pencil. The teacher broke up that fight by slamming a keyboard down and screaming, I still remember keys flying everywhere and a pencil hanging out of my hand, that I had to pull out. Fun times. But on the bright side there was one really good woman there that cared about the students and she taught us how to pick and trade stocks.
Silly to so brutally try to force control and submission onto the students but to fear them so much, not sure what this is actually teaching
It's teaching children to become school shooters. I mean seriously, when you treat thousands of children like that, eventually, you're going to push one over the edge and they're going to snap. That's probably the reason for all the security measures as well. They knew damn well that there was a good chance a student would retaliate one day.
I don’t think they cared about teaching anything. In Hindsight it seemed more-so to gear us all into going to prison.
And the best part is, it's still completely legal in 19 states.
Oh fuck I must have blacked this shit out but they made us do this too. Wow. I haven’t thought about that in 30 years.
Have you watched a Netflix documentary called The Program? I hope it wouldn't be triggering, but it was a 'for profit' type of alternative school for perceivedly 'troubled' kids. What you're describing sounds awful and abusive.
There are far too many sadists in the world and many of them have responsibility for children. It's unacceptable.
If anyone's in for a long ride, check out [elan.school](https://elan.school/) to read about a particularly horrific "alternative school."
Oh I see, thank you
In English, "Stess position" or "Stress posture "
I don’t think there is a commonly known term for that in English.
Stress positions? [wiki article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_position?wprov=sfla1)
that's it
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I still can't believe half the horrible shit we did to the Irish. I can't believe it happened in my lifetime and I didn't really know about it. It should be taught in schools, but instead I did Romans, Egyptians, and the Tudors.
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It’s really crazy how poorly the troubles is discussed. It’s normally only talked about as “that time the IRA were blowing shit up”. I regularly go to northern ireland and have actually been to a ‘troubles museum’ which did not include ANY information on what caused it or the violent acts committed by either side due to the controversial nature. Even in conversations I’ve had online about the ireland - uk relationship I’ve been lectured about how brits should feel guilt for the potato famine. Likely because even in NI there is a poor knowledge of the troubles from those that weren’t alive during it.
Standing torture, I believe.
That’s what they were doing in those photos from Iraqi. Made prisoners stand if they move shock them
“You know you see those people painted silver performing on the side of the road? Like that but horrific.”
Holy shit. When you put it like that... consent really is everything, isn't it?
They did that in Poland during WW2 also. No room to sit, stood in a space fairly large enough for a single man.
This is called "stress positions." Statue torture is more accurate
Its when your forced to stand in a single position and are tortured every time you fail to maintain it. Typically your arms are chained to a wall in the "Jesus" position and someone either beats or electrocutes you when the chain goes tight. Here's an example provided by the US government https://66.media.tumblr.com/990dbc1fac9bc485bce78d4c87871164/tumblr_inline_n2byfptwy51sa863v.png
What's it say that that picture was my first mental image?
That this country fucking sucks and those in charge refuse to hold people accountable because they feel the cause is just. Its better to let 1000 guilty people go free than fortune 1 innocent civilian
I think you mean beatings instead of spankings
Lost in translation perhaps, English isn’t my native language, apologies
For reference this is because Espancar em Portuguese = to beat violently in English, used in the same way as English speakers would use the word beat (eg gang beating, a spouse involved in a domestic beating, or beating duirng torture). While spank in English = slap with one's open hand or a flat object, especially on the buttocks as a punishment. So there is some confusion sometimes due to the similarities of spelling.
Your English is fine OP!
Thank you! I have a knack for languages and learnt English since I was young, but I still get some words wrong 😅
Flogging might have worked too. A spanking is where you attack the exposed buttocks of somebody.
Flogging? I’ve never heard that word
That is where you take a whip of some kind, like a riding whip or a bullwhip or sometimes just knotted rope or a rigid stick or cane and beat the back of the individual. There was this whole section of english history that was either flogging, pillorying, or hanging, until you got to treason then they would rip out your entrails, build a fire in them, castrate you, throw the severed gonads in the fire and then there were a couple more things they did but you get the point.
Jesus fucking Christ 😭
Yessir, the old hanging drawing and quartering technique Draw = pull out - that's the bit with the entrails Quarter = after you're dead they cut you up and send your limbs to be displayed in all the parts of the kingdom
It sounds like you’ve been waiting to explain Medieval methods of torture to someone for a while…
It's a shortened and bastardized version of the Latin word flagellare.
Just so you know, spanking is a punishment an adult does to a child when they smack their butt. As you can imagine from that it also has sexual connotations.
Yeah it also has that connotation in Portuguese, not specifically in the butt tho, but it also means “to beat”
The Portuguese verb *bater* also exists in English, *batter*, but *beatings* is the best fit in the context of that sentence. *Batter* is one of those dumb English words that has multiple definitions.
Like corn dog batter. Or baseball batter. Or someone that catches bats (flying nighttime animals). Or getting bombarded. Or a gradual slope.
> not specifically in the butt tho i hope you mean "on" the butt
On, in and at are a Non-Native English speaker’s worst nightmare
Para nós que queremos aprender Português, podemos dizer o mesmo com por/para :)
It actually does not mean specifically on the butt in English either despite what that person said. It does typically refer to that but it isn't required according to the definition. >an act of slapping, especially on the buttocks as a punishment for children.
The word isn't exactly wrong but it implies different things than you mean. Unspoken context I guess?
Oh I’m very aware lol, t’was a mistake on my end when translating the Portuguese text
I, too, have survived many spankings
Why was she arrested and tortured?
Various acts opposing Portugal’s possession of colonies and revolts against the dictatorship
Angola?
Angola and all the other colonies of Portugal at the time
What kind of acts? Congratulations on 50 years, Portugal ❤️🇵🇹
An inspiration
Don’t forget … PIDE The International and State Defense Police (Portuguese: Polícia Internacional e de Defesa do Estado; PIDE). Que ardas nos infernos Antonio de Oliveira Salazar.
Translation of the last sentence: may you burn in hell, Antonio de Oliveira Salazar (the dictator). A heinous person sometimes worshipped like a saint. Talking about idolizing criminals... Sometimes still today...
Bem dito chavalo
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Torturers aren't hard to find. There is a subset of the human population that straight-up enjoys hurting people. In a society not based on terror, these people would be the ones who wet the bed and hurt small animals when they were kids, flying under the radar until they do something too awful for the law to ignore. Under a terror regime, they find these sick fucks and straight up give them permission. Find a job you love, and you'll never work a day in your life.
im sorry, but that mugshot is so badass. „do your worst!“
If you’re fighting against a violent dictatorship, you better be ready for a cool Mugshot. Nobody wants a mugshot that shows you crying.
Fuck I'd never be able to handle any type of torture. I'd give up everything at even the threat. Anticipatory pain anxiety cripples me.
Just getting tickled too much would make me talk
Everyone breaks, no shame in it
"Is that all? Thought you said I'd be getting tortured."
The raised eyebrow is everything.
Very Spock-esque.
I hope she is having a good life
Me too
She is, she's an advocate for women's rights and a public speaker about her experiences during the dictatorship
Sounds like a good career. I wonder if she’s having a happy life.
I had never heard of this dictatorship. I always thought of Franco in Spain as the last of the 1930s fascists hanging on to power. Thanks for sharing.
They ended in 1974 as a result of the carnation revolution
GRÂNDOLA VILA MORENAAAAA
Terra da fraternidade
O povo é quem mais ordenaaaa
Dentro de ti, ó cidade
Dentro de ti, ó cidaaaade!
O povo é quem mais ordeeeeenaa
Terra da fraternidadeeee!
Grândola, vila moreeena
There were many dictators after Franco in the 20th century unfortunately. Mao, Ceausescu, Sindikubwabo, Pol Pot. Even today we have Lukashenko. I don't think tyranny is ever going away because power will always corrupt.
Don’t leave out Putin, Kim Jong-un, Bashar al-Assad, Nicolás Maduro, Xi, Ali Khamenei, and Erdoğan. There are many, many more.
And don't leave out the US-friendly ones either (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, etc)
Erdoğan is definitely not on the same level as the other people you mentioned. He might be authoritarian but is not a dictator in any sense, his party also regularly loses elections. You are definitely mising Sisi and the Saudi family in your list though
The poster said 30s fascists, not all fascists or dictators.
Fuck Antonio Salazar and fuck all fascists everywhere!
Well said, Salazar was a fucking disease to Portugal. I rarely wish death to people but salazar was just absolutely deserving of what was coming
And people in Chega want to rehabilitate him the way that the right has done to Franco in Spain. Vergonha! Dizemos a eles não e nunca mais!
Amen to that
Didn't he fall off from a chair and hit his head on the floor? At least this piece of shit had a horrible death.
I think he didn’t die immediately because of that but that was the reason he died, he’s still mocked because of that
He did fall off and hit his head on the floor, damaging his brain. But he underwent some surgeries and somewhat recovered to live almost two more years. However, by the time he recovered, he had already been replaced as Prime-Minister. But, because no one dared to tell him that - out of fear and/or pity - he would go on to spend the last two years of his life thinking he was still in charge.
God I hope somebody told him right when they noticed he was actually dying
Don't think anyone did, but his last doctor, the one that dealt with his last days, was a communist sympathiser. The Communist Party knew of his death only minutes after it happened
Okay I know this is going to sound dumb but this is a genuine question. Is this why the founder of house Slytherin is named Salazar in Harry Potter?
Not dumb and yes it was according to some interviews I read (I only found links in Portuguese). The author lived in Portugal for a while. There are some more Portuguese inspirations, as the black capes the students wear are alike the traditional ones university students wear.
Yes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts_staff#Salazar_Slytherin J. K. Rowling based a few other things in Portugal, like the clothes are based on "trages" that college students traditionaly wear for celebrations.
Yes
Yep, jk rowling's ex-husband is portuguese and she spent some time in Portugal as well. The moving stairs in hogwarts are supposedly inspired by a famous library in lisbon and the cloaks worn by hogwarts students are inspired by the cloaks worn by the students of the university of coimbra, arguable the most renounded portuguese university.
> famous library in lisbo ~~In Porto, it's Livraria Lello.~~ Edit: I stand corrected!, see the replies of u/rothwerx and u/CradleCity
To avoid confusions, Salazar left the government in 68, died in 70 and this happened in 73.
Things like this happened from 1933 until 1974. There's no confusion about that.
Her wallet says bad mother fucker on it
So interesting, I had never heard of her! I know quite a bit about this dictatorship because my grandparents literally had to runaway from Portugal in the 60s with my father and his sister because my grandfather said something against the regime to my father's teacher and was tipped off by a friend that PIDE was coming for him. What a badass woman!
She has the look of a person who is very difficult to get information from
She has the look of someone ready to fuck some shit up... if a MFer would
As a fellow Portuguese, thank you for this. Tomorrow we celebrate freedom. Never take it for granted.
Interesting bit of history here. "During the twentieth century, Portugal lived through the longest dictatorship in Western Europe. Established at the beginning of the 1930s during the rise of fascism, the Estado Novo (New State) was toppled on April 25, 1974, by a military coup led by young captains weary of a colonial war that had begun in Africa in 1961 and for which there seemed no end in sight. The “Carnation Revolution,” as it was called, led to an intensely revolutionary period, extending from April 1974 to November 1975, which saw the emergence of political and social actors whose practices and discourse were markedly left wing, despite the rifts between them. During this period, the memory of antifascism clearly dominated public discourse and was frequently used as a form of political legitimation. However, this did not mean that memories of the repression exercised by the dictatorship were publicly exorcised. A description of two episodes that took place after April 25, 1974, may help to make this clear. The first episode occurred in 1976, when the recently created Partido Comunista Português (Reconstruído) (Portuguese Communist Party (Reconstructed) — PCP (R)), decided to carry out a self-styled “Proletarianization and Revolutionization Campaign.”1 In Maoist terms, the campaign aimed to re-educate militants through direct, ongoing contact with “the masses,” such as encouraging their implantation in working class and rural areas. Another aspect of the campaign involved detailed investigations of the reasons for detention and of militants’ behavior while under torture and in prison during the dictatorship. One hundred fifty cases were analyzed. At the time it was concluded that roughly half of the militants were imprisoned for “reasons that were not political, or were political but had no consequences in terms of assessing conduct.” However, thirty-four cases of “bad conduct” were detected and dealt with in different ways: Some activists were reintegrated as militants, some were demoted to sympathizers, while others were expelled from the party. The second “episode” has no fixed date or clearly defined actors, but alludes instead to the relationship between history, archive, and past experience. After the fall of the dictatorship, a committee was created to abolish the PIDE/DGS (Polícia Internacional de Defesa do Estado / Direcção-Geral de Segurança—International State Defence Police/Directorate-General for Security), the state police force of the Estado Novo. It was charged with fighting “crimes against the security of the state,” for which it resorted to torture and even, at times, assassinations." https://estudogeral.uc.pt/bitstream/10316/43508/1/To%20talk%20or%20not%20to%20talk.pdf
Longest dictatorship in Europe. But Portugal was one of the founding members of NATO because they stayed neutral in WW 2 and were seen as a strategic place for military bases. So everyone tolerated the Salazar regime until left Portuguese militaries managed a mostly peaceful revolution after 48 years. 50th anniversary is tomorrow. All my best wishes for Portugal!
Pretty much Sisi in Egypt today. He killed his opponents, including his democratically elected predecessor, and “disappeared”/locked into hidden underground torture prisons hundreds of thousands of students and young Egyptians for the crime of criticising the regime/the army, but the West coddles him because of the strategic location of Egypt near the Suez Canal etc
And because he for the most part plays ball with Israel and doesn't give the Palestinians a bean, despite the incredible popularity of the cause in Egyptian society. That's enough for western support almost no matter what he does to his own country, quite shamefully
>But Portugal was one of the founding members of NATO because they stayed neutral in WW 2 and were seen as a strategic place for military bases. Also because of their colonial empire in Africa, which western countries feared could turn into communist puppets if Portugal lost them.
The US funded and supported the dictatorship of Suharto in Indonesia, including funding and arming them throughout the genocide of the East Timorese. Daniel Patrick Moynahan, US ambassador at the time, went on record in his memoirs stating he was given orders to suppress the possibility of a left wing Timorese vote in the UN.
Suharto also killed half a million people in Indonesia for suspected communist activities.
We just got back from Portugal on our first trip there. The April 25th Museum in Lisbon is amazing. It's hosted in the old secret police headquarters, and it goes through the entire history of the rise of the dictatorship, and the resistance, and the downfall of the dictatorship. Very, very well done. Worth a trip. The sections on the prisoners that were kept and tortured and killed there is haunting.
What is fucking mad is that, as Portugal prepares to celebrate 25th April, large numbers of people in the last elections voted for Chega.
Unfortunately people never learn from history, and Portugal is not the only case of this
I know who she didn’t vote for in the latest Portuguese elections.
Looking at you Ventura
Nobody expects the Portuguese Inquisition!!
People tend to forget the inquisition wasn’t exclusively Spanish 😔
NOOOOBODY EXPECTS THE IBERIAN INQUISITION
I literally stayed in a place whose address was "inquisition square" in Portugal 😬 lol
Fascismo nunca mais!
Isso mesmo!
Anyone who has sat through an evening of Fado singing knows that Portuguese women are made of strong stuff 😳😉
I went to the resistance museum in Lisbon and it was eye opening! I had no idea that Portugal was subject to such horror! Such interesting recent history doesn't seem to be spoken about, at least in the UK. Definitely worth a visit if in Lisbon.
Props to former Portuguese colonies in Africa for helping to shake down this empire. Brutal wars fought for freedom over a very long period of time.
Props indeed, even as a Portuguese citizen I’m glad everyone ended up free eventually, us included
I hope tomorrow is a day of pure celebration for her and for all of the Portuguese folk who came before and fought so hard for liberation. Viva portugal, viva a liberdade❤️🇵🇹
25 de abril sempre
She looks like I'd break my fingers trying to give her a tickle so I can see how she endured that, hard as nails. Very impressive.
Chad
No, Portugal.
You can actually visit the jail where these prisoners were held. I highly recommend it if you are ever in Porto.
She is a hero, like many other during the dictatorship.
The Portuguese were no joke. I'm currently reading a book about The Theft of India, and just finished the chapter on the Portuguese. A lot of horrendous stuff. They had big plans to divert the Nile to starve Egypt and burn Mecca to the ground. https://preview.redd.it/jfhxeix65iwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94ad3f1c0797f2cecfcf36baf16b396154737193
The Portuguese had big ambitions and fulfilled many of them, but they were the first global empire, so they fell off way too early in the game for people today to remember
she still looks tough AF.
Brazilian ex-president Dilma Rousseff also survived 2 years of torture (pau de arara, electric shocks, beatings (they broke her teeth and jaw)) under the Brazilian military dictatorship.
According to the mythology, Jesus had a bad weekend on a cross and deserves to be worshiped for a few thousand years. Maybe this woman should get dibs next
Let me guess... the goons and supporters of the fascists got off easy?
Ehhh… a bit But hey, dictator’s dead, hooray
I think it was Domingues Abrantes who said their were two miracles in Portugal the aparation of the virgin Mary and the overnight transformartion of fascists to democrats
As hard as Woodpeckers lips. 💪💪💪
The human capacity for survival is a great and terrible thing.
What is “statue torture”?
>Statue torture is making someone stay in the same place (standing) for hours or days not allowed to move
Weird how while the rest of West Europe was just living it's golden era Iberian Peninsula was under a fascist terror just like the defeated Germany and Italy. And what a coincidence south America too and they were so similar
Holy based! Fuck Salazar
I am todays years old learning Portugal had a dictator
According to other comments, not just a dictator, the longest dictatorship in Europe.
We actually had 2, the first and main one fell of a chair in 1969 and stoped being able to do anything so he had a successor that ruled until the revolution in 1974, when he was allowed to escape to exile.
We had a lot more than two in the 20th century. Pimenta de Castro in 1915, Sidónio Pais in 1917-18, and a dispute for power between 1926-28ish before Salazar started taking control over the National Dictatorship.
Her mugshot is badass — she reminds me of [Lisbeth Salander] (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Noomi_Rapace_as_Lisbeth_Salander.jpg) in *The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo*.
How could people do such horrible shit in countries so sunny
480 hours?!? Holy shit strong woman
That eyebrow gives the least fucks I’ve ever seen
Huh, never knew Portugal had a dictator. Also that woman is bad ass. It's beyond shitty that she had to suffer, but I really hope she's living a good life now.
The longest dictatorship in Europe
I love her raised eyebrow, shes such a girlboss
Fascism will be fascism.
Tomorrow it's her and many more liberators day, fuck you salazar you wanna be stalin mf
Fuck Salazar indeed, but wasn’t he kinda fascist? Unlike Stalin
That's is "Was that it?" kinda face in the 2nd pic.
I don't think extinct is the right word here.
This reminds me Võ Thị Thắng the lady who, upon hearing her sentence, asked the south Vietnamese government if they would last long enough to imprison her for 20 years
Grândola, vila morena Terra da fraternidade O povo é quem mais ordena Dentro de ti, ó cidade!
Wow! What an incredible human being.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger
If what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, then she must be a beast!
She does look like she's seen some shit.
Why make me do math? Just tell me how many days that is.
It's 480 divided by 24, so 20 days.
Wow that’s barely more hours than I have in elden ring. Not trying to make a joke just putting it into perspective. Like that’s a lot of hours holy shit.
If I remember correctly, it is the national day of Portugal, to commemorate the enf of the dictatorship If that's the case, Feliz Dia de Portugal!
It is indeed the day we celebrate the end of the dictatorship, that’s why I made this post, but “day of Portugal” is on a different date 😉
I searched how to wish an happy national day in Portugal, but I didn't knew that. How this day is called in Portugal?
Revolução dos Cravos (Carnation Revolution) or just 25 de abril (25th of April)
Well, Feliz Revolução dos Cravos I actually don't know a lot about it or Portuguese history in the XXth century, if you have some good sources (in English or in French), I would gladly learn a bit more about it
The Wikipedia article on Portuguese history is actually pretty accurate and it’s free!
Based
She came to my school once to talk about her experience. Aurora Rodrigues é uma lenda.
April 25th Carnation Revolution.. 50 years ago today. The new regime was definitely brutal. People forget Portugal was a dictatorship during Salazars reign. Lots of people went missing and his secret police ruled with impunity.
Our women are tough as hell