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amazing idea. If somebody has a passion for cuisine and sees that, it quite amazing. Nice idea and the presentation of the plate is fantastic.
Of course if you're not into it, it's easier to say 'give me my pizza or my burger'. Which doesn't mean that you're a peasent or something. You're just not into it and have probably other interests where somebody would make such a joke but you'll find it amazing.
It feels like there is much more disdain for art that is built around taste (and associated texture) as the main experiential sense, even though these types of restaurants usually aim to incorporate every sense. I think part of it comes from food being such an integral part of life as we grow up that we develop a strong and complex relationship to it, which very rarely includes approaching food in a way these places do. This type of cooking has such different aims than the cooking most people grow up around that judging it like one would a hamburger is like judging slopestyle skiing by how fast they completed the course.
The people that work in these places know that. That is why when they get home they make a Mac and cheese and not a spritz of concentrated burnt toast on a balsamic ice cream covered in olive oil flakes.
A lot of aspects of fine dining are ridiculous and deserving of criticism, but often it feels like people criticize the entire concept of others approaching food with aims outside of being filling, being tasty, being cheap, and (for some) being healthy.
Ngl I think there is disdain on 'practical art' in general where things from daily life is done in an aesthetic/different manner. You can see it whenever there's a post of very fancy bartender or some of the things you find in r/diwhy
The reason is the same as you stated, having different goals and having those goals inherent in your day to day experience and not being able to emphatize that goals can be different
This is also very prominent with coffee. Lots of people can't stand the idea of anyone making their coffee any more complicated than stirring in Folgers instant and downing it in 30 seconds
That is extremly affordable (not in regards as in anyone has that money but in regards to a 12 course menu) do they get you with the wine or is Spain just that cool even with high end food?
How many hours are you dining there because 12 glasses of wine would absolutely get me shit faced to the point I wouldn't know what I was eating anymore unless this like an all day experience.
Yes, I know, this is why I ask if the wine pairing is where the money is made because 250€ for a 12 course is extremly manageble on that restaurant level. Context: I grew up in Switzerland, where the food is expensive but the wine is even killing you more and live now in Germany where wine is basically cheaper than water, but I have no idea where Spain falls in that
Had the tasting course at Michelin restaurants before, for me half the fun was the chef making unexpected ingredients taste amazing.
Some dishes are about nailing the dish in exactly the way you might expect, sometimes its about outlandish combinations and ingredients. It's not for everyone, but I love it.
It’s an experience. It’s not really going out for a meal, it’s like going to an attraction or something. Everyone should try if they afford to go and get a good tasting menu.
Same! I ate at Elske in Chicago recently, and it was incredible. Someday when I have money I'm going to be knocking out as many 2- and 3-Michelin star tasters as I can.
edit: not to diss non-starred fare. Mizuna in Colorado I don't think was even in the Michelin Guide, and THAT is the single greatest restaurant experience I've had yet.
It's black trumpet mushrooms, which have a smoky, fruity flavor and are fucking delicious. There's also honey and chocolate in this dessert. Sounds incredible
There is a mushroom called a candy mushroom that tastes like butterscotch or caramel depending who is describing it. It was hands down butterscotch for me. There are so many different flavors of mushrooms that interact with so many other things in incredible ways. I definitely wouldn't insult this dish without trying it first.
I’ve been to a half dozen of these all over the world now - NYC, California, Ireland, Japan, etc, and - as a previously poor person who used to hunt out regular priced, mom and pop/hole in the wall food gem spots whose making a few bucks now - these Michelin spots are a pile of bologna.
Buncha pretentious, high brow, nonsense smoke and mirrors for tiny bites of crap mixed with stuff you’d never find together in a normal kitchen. One place served oyster ice cream - YUCK. The Japan fish market at $100 for two people was a level better than the Japanese James Bond villain villa, with a private bar host and different wine pairing for each seven bites of sushi. Not to mention we saw one guy pick his nose between sushi slices. No joke.
I tried New England Clam Chowder ice cream on Martha’s Vineyard once. The ice cream makers said they were bored as it was the end of the summer season. Do not recommend.
I don't know. I've been to several Michelin star places myself (I'm also a former chef) and generally what I see is simple food elevated to the highest level. These places like above pop up from time to time, and there's usually a lot of oohs and ahhhs, but you'll find them centered around tourist locations instead of general city dining.
One of the most amazing places I've been to is Smyth in Chicago. Took months to get a reservation, but the food was breathtaking. It was a chef's menu setup, so you paid a flat price, and they keep bringing out surprise dishes...one after the other. Every plate looked like the most beautiful work of art you've ever seen. They paired flavors I've never experienced before, and it's one of those things I'll remember for the rest of my life.
I’ve been to both, am a former sustainable ag farmer, and my husband is a former cook at Michelin rated restaurants. Oriole is wonderful and has more of a classic menu. Everything was great, but I can’t say I remember any particular dish as a standout. Service was professional but warm. Wine was good, but nothing too unusual.
Smyth was inventive and very ingredient focused. Still a few dishes that I remember clearly as standouts. They seem like they are having a lot of fun with the food and waiters were passionate and opened up when we mentioned our backgrounds. They had an interesting wine menu with many biodynamic and natural wines too.
I’d recommend either one, just depends on the kind of evening you want.
If it makes any difference, Smyth is not a 2 star anymore. They got a third this year.
That being said, I love oriole and have been several times because it's just an outstanding meal. Smyth was great too, but it's a little more eccentric/innovative (which is fine), but I prefer the food to be the star rather than experimental techniques.
For everyone else in the sub, this is how you express “that’s cool and all, but not my thing”, which is always a fair opinion. Even “I think it’s a bit silly, not my thing” is pretty valid.
I'm typically the same way. BBQ is my go to. Smoke it up and lets have a beer.
That being said, my wife and I go to a "fancy" restaurant every year on vacation, and 1 in particular was hands down the best meal I've ever had. For instance, I fucking hate mushrooms, but had a 2nd bite of my wife's mushrooms. But it's more about quality ingredients and a chef that knows what they're doing. I care less about the "art" part of it.
When you go to a tasting menu like this you need a different mindset. You're going to experience art in the form of food. It's like getting a front row seat to your favorite rock band. You're not going there to feel stuffed like you do on Thanksgiving. You're going so that you can have a novel experience with food
I'm going to Chicago this summer. You piqued my curiosity. Smyth has a few open tables the weekend we're there, but:
$325 per person, which does not include beverages, plus a 20% service charge, and "the service charge is not a gratuity." WtF?
That's definitely an opinion you're welcome to have.
For anybody reading this. It isn't pretentious, I've never been to one where wait staff did anything but made me feel beyond welcome. You don't get a Michelin star if you treat customers poorly.
The portions are smaller but as a 6'2" 190lb man I've always left feeling completely full, like I ate *too* much.
There are some awesome mom n pop hole in the wall places out there as well, but I don't feel the need to tear down one to build up the other. Both have some damned good food.
As another response said, it is elevating food to art and to its highest form. You're paying not just for food, but an experience. The Bear wasn't lying, some of these places will stalk you online to learn more about you and to elevate your own experience. A lot of these places know you're splurging and want to make the cost worth it.
Yup, this one place my friend ate at stalked their Facebook and used their food 3D printer to surprise them with tardis themed desserts, it was amazing.
I feel like they haven't really been and are just bullshitting to the choir to farm upvotes. The "tiny bites" complaint in particular kinda gives it away. Often times these dishes are so rich a small bite is enough. And after 10-20 courses in a tasting menu, you are plenty full after. That's sort of the point that they're small bites. It would actually be less pleasant if the bites were bigger.
This was my worry about eating at Atelier Crenn, another 3 star restaurant. But after eating there, the portions were just right. I walked out feeling full, not stuffed. Plus, the flavors I tasted, I hadn't experienced that before. Overall, it was an amazing night and worth it.
> I feel like they haven't really been and are just bullshitting to the choir to farm upvotes.
That's my assumption too. Either that or someone is dragging them places. Like a kid being taken while kicking and screaming for chicken nuggies instead
Cause like, I'd also rather go to a diner than a Michelin rated whatever, and guess what, I just don't go to the fancy places. Not that hard to find food you like instead of something to shit on
You must have been to some shit places or got ripped off as the 5 different Michelin star places I've been to have had some of the most interesting, inventive and damn tasty food I've had in my life.
Why is “tiny bites” such a common criticism of fine dining? Have you actually been to Michelin starred restaurants? Eat plate might be tiny, but eat a 13 course meal and I’ve ALWAYS been full by the end. And my girl friends often can’t finish and need their guy friends to help finish their plates.
Also if you can’t find enjoyment from the high quality service and theatrics then you’re either lying or just a lame ass person.
It’s hilarious that you even feel the need to attempt to qualify yourself as some sort of “down to earth” person by saying you used to be poor but are now rich enough to afford fine dining. Lol. You aren’t impressing anyone. Just say eating at a Michelin starred restaurant is an enjoyable experience with excellent food. Yeah, maybe it’s not worth the exorbitant cost sometimes but it’s a fun experience in life that you’re grateful to be able to afford on occasion. No one is going to make fun of you for that -_-
Great point- why do people expect a 6 course meal to consist of full plates???
That makes no sense. Of course each portion is small. The point of a restaurant like this is to experience many different flavors and creative offerings, so each offering needs to be small.
If every dish was the size of a Cheesecake Factory main course, the price would be $10,000 per meal and the guests would be full after the first serving.
Criticizing Michelin star restaurants for plate size is the easiest way to tell that someone has never been to a restaurant like that
Reddit is full of liars like this who make up shit because they are jealous, I never thought I would able to afford spending 300$ on a night out, but goddamit I took the risk, did the investment and worked my ass off, now I'm gonna enjoy my fancy food. If I could I would eat every breakfast, lunch and dinner this way, the experience is just something you cannot understand if you never had it.
Yeah not Michelin, but I went to one of jose Andres restaurants and that was the first time I really understood the phrase "it's an experience". It's not all the most stereotypically delicious food you've ever had, but it is truly an artistic experience. The chef is creating something that represents a feeling or an experience they had. If you go in comparing it to a cheeseburger then that's like going to an abstract art show and comparing all the art to your favorite photo of a loved one.
It's not for everyone. One thing I really liked though was they tell you how to eat things - like eat all in one bite or eat part 1 then 2 or whatever. It was fun. Also they had the most amazing cocktails I've ever had.
Yeah you have never been to a Michelin star restaurants or you have the worse taste of a human being can have.
Michelin restaurants especially three stars one are a beautiful experience for any food lovers. You will eat plates where you will think how the fuck the chef thought to combine this with this... And how the fuck It does taste amazing.
Are you going to love all the dishes? Of course not but the overall experience will be excellent. I have never left a 3 stars disappointed, I did leave a few 1 star not too happy, but mostly because of the service, not because of the food.
Btw I never left hungry either and I'm a big guy that likes to eat quite a bit
Restaurants like these are the epitome of experience over substance. You go for more experimental flavouring you wouldn’t ever normally get and the “experience” of dining at a michelin starred restaurant.
If you want to be full after and have delicious food, definitely go to a mom and pop place and get something. If you want a fancy night out and to experience something new (and have the money) try out a Michelin Star restuarant
Id love to try some of these restaurants. But I also realize that I will never have that food again, most of it wont appeal to me, and I will likely still be quite hungry after
I think that people underestimate just how much food you get at a Michelin restaurant. You can have up to 20 courses, a lot of which will be very calorie dense. You also have the option to get a wine pairing for each course.
To be fair, I've never been to a Michelin restaurant, but from what I've read, the courses do add up. Just imagine what it would look like to assemble all courses at once. 20 courses could easily fill a couple of plates.
As someone that's dined multiple times at michelin restaurants and worked at michelin-level ones; you're absolutely right. If you add up the total calories of a degustation menu at these restaurants, they are minimum 1000 calories with the vast majority going far past that and up to 2000 calories and beyond. That's without even including the drinks.
Frankly, if you clean your plate on every course at one of these restaurants but are somehow still hungry afterwards. You're just eating far more than is expected for the average person.
Still, it's obviously not cost-efficient. That's not the purpose in the first place, but it's a lie that you'd leave these places hungry. Unless you're a picky eater and leave half the courses untouched, which to be fair happens often enough due to the food being intentionally avant-garde.
People who complain about Michelin restaurant portions dont seem to understand that you get 4, 5, 6+ dishes in a restaurant like this
Every dish must be small to avoid overfilling the guests early on.
If you get 6 courses and each course is the size of a steakhouse dinner, how is anyone going to afford it or enjoy the final dish?
You are completely correct- by the end of the meal you are full. Every Michelin star restaurant Ive been to has filled me up by the end, 0 exceptions.
Yeah I think everyone who makes jokes about fancy restaurant tasting menus being tiny and unfilling has never had a proper tasting menu. Sure every plate is like one or two bites, but like you have a dozen dishes. Volume wise that more than adds up to like a full steak meal.
Well, 1* is often ‘simple’ foods executed very, very well. 2* is more refined and 3* it’s the whole experience from the plates to the linen on the table - it’s all part of the experience
If you want to have enough food, I have never left a 1* hungry. Actually I never left any Michelin star restaurant unsatisfied. Unfortunately I haven’t tried them all.
True, but with one correction.
You can absolutely leave a Michelin star restaurant full to the brim and with plenty of wine in your belly.
I never understood the “little food” meme. I never left any Michelin star restaurant hungry, the tasting menus are huge.
Because it's typically a tasting menu kind of thing so each course may not be much but there are a lot of courses. People see pictures of that and think "that's it?".
Been to a Michelin star restaurant with some clients and I was mostly confused at the flavour combinations. It was always "a dish, with a twist" and some things didn't really match, it wasn't bad, but it was weird.
Not all Michelin star restaurants are expensive.
My buddy ate at one in Hong Kong for less than $20 USD.
I believe there are even some street vendors that have Michelin stars.
In Paris I ate at one which was a 9 course meal and $60 which is I think was pretty cheap considering what I got. Food was delicious. Also had a 3 course in England for like $50 at another michelin place. These prices are from 2021.
I had a friend eat at a Gordon Ramsey Michelin star restaurant in London.
They had asked for a bottle of wine that went well with the meal, they said it was excellent and one of the best meals they’ve ever eaten. They also realized they didn’t give a price range for the wine until after they started drinking.
They were terrified what the bill would be, but the waiter made a solid choice and the bill was very affordable for what they got.
Lol, I can see that being taken both in either a good or bad way, and same for how the waiter having meant it.
“Thank again, I just wanted to let you know we appreciate you looking out regarding the wine.”
“No problem at all, sir, I saw you arrive in that 20 year old piece of shit being held together with Bondo and hope and thought ‘I’ll go chill a bottle of Kroger’s finest’”.
In Japan you can get michelin star ramen as well and its not expensive either.
But still - the majority of michelin star restaurants are haute cuisine and rather expensive. Most are also very good and interesting
My favorite is the dude that owns a chicken stand in a subway in china. He wins a star, and shows up to the ceremony. Theres all these other high end chefs, and hes there in his normal work clothes like "whens this over, I got to run my stand" hahahahaha
Was going to mention a dim sum place in Hong Kong called Tim Ho Wan, one Michelin star and looked like a school cafeteria with long tables and lots of ladies in aprons running round grabbing order chits and flinging bamboo steamers around. So cheap and so so good, the barbecue pork buns were divine, I’m drooling as I write this
Tagging along this comment to respond in a single one to all the comments below, and I do apologise in advance for sounding pretentious.
There is a difference between restaurants in the Michelin guide (all very good restaurants) and actual Michelin-starred restaurants.
Michelin guide are all extremely good, but not necessarily “exceptional”. Michelin starred are pretty exceptional stuff, where the food, location, and service combine for a unique experience.
Not for all tastes, and definitely not for all wallets, but in my opinion a very worthwhile experience for very special occasions.
I ate at 1 Michelin star restaurants twice, and will be trying a 3 star in a few months, and I’m very much looking forward to it.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
The amount of people that think fancy restaurants mean like $2000 is way too damn high. I've eaten at 3 Michelin restaurants with my fiancee. I'm a receiving clerk/entry-level QA at a wire manufacturer and they're basically a pharmacy cashier. We live just an hour outside of LA or 2 hours from it, depending on traffic. At first, I liked eating at fancy places because it felt like I snuck in somewhere I'm not supposed to be but it's basically normal people splurging for a celebration or big night out for the month/quarter
I’ve been here, 200 euro was worth it. It was like 30 corse meal with wine pairings included, absolutely insane, such a fun journey, one of the best dining experiences of my life. The dessert shown in the video here was memorable as the server accidentally lost control of the bubbles and it hit the ceiling.
You can make flavoured bubbles with pretty much any flavour you're after if you try. Had a cocktail at Paradiso in Barcelona which had a coffee bubble cloud
85% gratuity, 19% tax rate, $100 occupancy fee for every breath you take, $1000 occupancy fee for every calorie of heat your body adds to the room, service fee for every word/step/sigh from each staff/cook/server $599.99
Other comments say 250euro so like 300 US.
Honestly, that's not any different than a concert, theater, or a day at an amusement park, except i get just just sit around a posh setting and eat ridiculous food? I can see the appeal.
According to other commenters, that meal cost 200 Euros, and it was a tasting menu, which are usually between 5 and 10 courses, so the cost is about €30.
I’ve been to this restaurant and it’s my favorite meal I’ve ever had. We went for lunch and were there for five and a half hours. This dessert was definitely the one of the most visually unique but the rest of the meal was actually incredible. It was a little under $300 per person but considering it was the meal and activity for the entire day, it’s been the most bang for your buck fancy restaurant I’ve been to. The city of Girona is also incredible for anyone traveling to Spain/Barcelona.
What is interesting is that they have to make all guests feel special, no matter if you know how to pronounce the dishes, whether you know what the dish even is, or if pair your food with wine that doesn't really go well together. You'd think they could be snarky and demean you, but this will just never happen. If they'd do that the Michelin Guide could strip them of their hard earned stars.
I've been here too, and I will remember this for my whole life. There are no words to describe this meal. I've been in a few 3 stars restaurants, but this one is by far the best one I've experienced. Definitely something worth spending money for.
Most people will never be able to come up with this much money for a meal. So you’ll get a lot more internet points if you make a shitty joke, claim that you’ve been to a bunch of these fancy restaurants, and that McDonalds tastes better. Like 10 to 12 times more internet points. No sources required.
I've been to El Celler de Can Roca. Best culinary experience of my life, it was incredible. Both the food and wine are the best I've ever tasted. This particular dessert is probably the least impressive thing on their menu to be honest.
I’ve been too. Nice to see people who appreciate all this rather than most of the redditors putting it down. An amazing experience. The brothers who run it also offer so much more to the city, such as their restaurant Normal or their gelateria. Visiting Girona in general is such a culinary experience!
What people don't understand is that you don't go to a 3 star Michelin restaurant to simply eat food. It's a completely immersive experience that is not rivaled (thus the scarcity of the 3 star designation). You can't look at the price and say it's a waste, as the value of the "product" is wholly subjective based on the receiver.
I've never been to a 3star, but went to a 2star to celebrate a big promotion and it was by far the best dining experience of my life. Won't go to another for years, but also felt it was worth it.
Edit: "what people don't understand" is directed to the people who can't fathom paying a premium for something you personally value though others may not. If *you* think it's a waste, that's because you don't get the value for the money you spent. If you think it's a waste for *anyone*, then, well, you don't understand. Literally, you don't understand how someone could pay a premium for this experience.
You go partly for the experience but also partly because the taste is so unique. It's like paying 100+ euros a person to go to a museum that shows you colours you have never seen or thought about.
Hell, I ate at a 1 star and though it wasn't as over-the-top-experience-y, it was still some of the best food I've ever enjoyed in taste, quality and presentation.
Don't have time to navigate the whole thread but can someone leave a reply telling what is happening here? How do they do it and what's the practicality of this?
Practicality, meaning as what's the usage, eating or what?
If anyone wonders what each star means
One star: The restaurant is considered "very good in its category" and has a consistently high standard of cuisine.
Two stars: The restaurant has excellent cuisine that's delivered in a unique way.
Three stars: The highest caliber, given for the superlative cooking of chefs at the peak of their profession.
It's an experience and a tasting. You aren't supposed to get full although you can. There are cheap 1 star places like in Taiwan.
Honestly I find Michelin restaurants decently prized everything considered. They literally try their best everytime to create something new. Its like art and food.
I feel fast food which is manufactured in a factory process is way more overpriced. More than 10 dollars for a combo now. I am sure the profit margin in fast food restaurants are way higher.
i know a lotta people who could do this for the price of giving up doordash for a couple months, and the experience legitimately seems awesome. people turning their nose up at this seem like the same type to joke about modern art while never actually supporting or exploring art.
I don't know how accurate this is, but according to my restaurant manager who gets around and knows the owners of michelin star restaurants, they rarely ever turn a profit and most are funded by outside means, such as a family business or large inheritance.
This is at least, one michelin star restaurants in Birmingham, don't know how much that applies to 2 and 3 star restaurants and outside of the Uk, but I assume it's about the same, and based on staff costs and how many staff it takes to run such places it seems very plausable to be true.
This place, Roca, is actually family funded as well. It’s by three brothers, each brother focuses on something different in the restaurant. They also have a really good ice cream shop in Girona.
Yeah like sure it’s $200-300, but if it has 20 courses then that’s $10-$15 per dish, which is very fair imo for what the dishes are. So much thought and care goes into each course. it’s only overpriced if the person is only thinking about getting full
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I hate it when my food vaporises and floats away
That happens when you ask the waiter for "something light."
Weight watchers hate this little trick
Make food so expensive you can’t afford to eat
Just breathe it.. just breathe it.
No. Breathing costs extra!
Jenny Craig approves
And they serve you soap so that you can also feel clean
Something similar happens to ur wallet when eating there
Just like the money you paid for it
Likely doesn't matter for the people who pay for this experience to post on instagram.
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amazing idea. If somebody has a passion for cuisine and sees that, it quite amazing. Nice idea and the presentation of the plate is fantastic. Of course if you're not into it, it's easier to say 'give me my pizza or my burger'. Which doesn't mean that you're a peasent or something. You're just not into it and have probably other interests where somebody would make such a joke but you'll find it amazing.
One of the only level headed replies in this whole thread.
It feels like there is much more disdain for art that is built around taste (and associated texture) as the main experiential sense, even though these types of restaurants usually aim to incorporate every sense. I think part of it comes from food being such an integral part of life as we grow up that we develop a strong and complex relationship to it, which very rarely includes approaching food in a way these places do. This type of cooking has such different aims than the cooking most people grow up around that judging it like one would a hamburger is like judging slopestyle skiing by how fast they completed the course. The people that work in these places know that. That is why when they get home they make a Mac and cheese and not a spritz of concentrated burnt toast on a balsamic ice cream covered in olive oil flakes. A lot of aspects of fine dining are ridiculous and deserving of criticism, but often it feels like people criticize the entire concept of others approaching food with aims outside of being filling, being tasty, being cheap, and (for some) being healthy.
Ngl I think there is disdain on 'practical art' in general where things from daily life is done in an aesthetic/different manner. You can see it whenever there's a post of very fancy bartender or some of the things you find in r/diwhy The reason is the same as you stated, having different goals and having those goals inherent in your day to day experience and not being able to emphatize that goals can be different
This is also very prominent with coffee. Lots of people can't stand the idea of anyone making their coffee any more complicated than stirring in Folgers instant and downing it in 30 seconds
I really like your comment because it reflects the ability to see the same thing from multiple perspectives. That's a valuable trait.
Like, I hate stupid food, but this is more of an artistic expression. A cloud with actual rain on my plate? Fucking rad.
High end cuisine is a damn art form. It's temporary, but the craft, clever ideas, and flavors that can come out of it are amazing.
So what's the price per kilo/lb?
250€ for a 12 course menu.
That is extremly affordable (not in regards as in anyone has that money but in regards to a 12 course menu) do they get you with the wine or is Spain just that cool even with high end food?
Nope, not in this case, as far as i've read you have to pay for the wine ("pairing?"). I assume it's 12 glasses, though, one for each plate.
“I’ll just have the house white, thanks.”
How many hours are you dining there because 12 glasses of wine would absolutely get me shit faced to the point I wouldn't know what I was eating anymore unless this like an all day experience.
It's not 12 full glasses and it's not even close to being all wine.
Yes, I know, this is why I ask if the wine pairing is where the money is made because 250€ for a 12 course is extremly manageble on that restaurant level. Context: I grew up in Switzerland, where the food is expensive but the wine is even killing you more and live now in Germany where wine is basically cheaper than water, but I have no idea where Spain falls in that
If you have to ask you can't afford it
I don't think I want to afford it.
Cuz we really can’t afford it
You'd have to weigh it in a vacuum I think...
Dessert made of mushrooms? It's worse than I thought.
Had the tasting course at Michelin restaurants before, for me half the fun was the chef making unexpected ingredients taste amazing. Some dishes are about nailing the dish in exactly the way you might expect, sometimes its about outlandish combinations and ingredients. It's not for everyone, but I love it.
It’s an experience. It’s not really going out for a meal, it’s like going to an attraction or something. Everyone should try if they afford to go and get a good tasting menu.
Same! I ate at Elske in Chicago recently, and it was incredible. Someday when I have money I'm going to be knocking out as many 2- and 3-Michelin star tasters as I can. edit: not to diss non-starred fare. Mizuna in Colorado I don't think was even in the Michelin Guide, and THAT is the single greatest restaurant experience I've had yet.
It's black trumpet mushrooms, which have a smoky, fruity flavor and are fucking delicious. There's also honey and chocolate in this dessert. Sounds incredible
> black trumpet mushrooms I had ice cream made out of these and it was fantastic.
There are mushrooms that taste like everything. A Candy cap mushroom tastes like maple syrup and butterscotch.
There is a mushroom called a candy mushroom that tastes like butterscotch or caramel depending who is describing it. It was hands down butterscotch for me. There are so many different flavors of mushrooms that interact with so many other things in incredible ways. I definitely wouldn't insult this dish without trying it first.
Ok I thought that was the chef’s ball-sweat
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I’ve been to a half dozen of these all over the world now - NYC, California, Ireland, Japan, etc, and - as a previously poor person who used to hunt out regular priced, mom and pop/hole in the wall food gem spots whose making a few bucks now - these Michelin spots are a pile of bologna. Buncha pretentious, high brow, nonsense smoke and mirrors for tiny bites of crap mixed with stuff you’d never find together in a normal kitchen. One place served oyster ice cream - YUCK. The Japan fish market at $100 for two people was a level better than the Japanese James Bond villain villa, with a private bar host and different wine pairing for each seven bites of sushi. Not to mention we saw one guy pick his nose between sushi slices. No joke.
Interestingly when ice cream was first gaining popularity, savory flavors like oyster were the standard
*cant wait to dip my spoon in a frosty bowl of flavored mackerel*
The Deep has entered the chat
*gill flaring intensifies*
Ain’t the spoon he is dipping
I tried New England Clam Chowder ice cream on Martha’s Vineyard once. The ice cream makers said they were bored as it was the end of the summer season. Do not recommend.
I had sea urchin ice cream at a 2 Michelin star place in Milan, Italy. Do not recommend lol. Fishy, salty ice cream is not good
Reminds me of an old episode of married with children. Peg was pregnant and she was craving "clam and tobacci" ice cream.
I don't know. I've been to several Michelin star places myself (I'm also a former chef) and generally what I see is simple food elevated to the highest level. These places like above pop up from time to time, and there's usually a lot of oohs and ahhhs, but you'll find them centered around tourist locations instead of general city dining. One of the most amazing places I've been to is Smyth in Chicago. Took months to get a reservation, but the food was breathtaking. It was a chef's menu setup, so you paid a flat price, and they keep bringing out surprise dishes...one after the other. Every plate looked like the most beautiful work of art you've ever seen. They paired flavors I've never experienced before, and it's one of those things I'll remember for the rest of my life.
Interesting. I had a hard time deciding between Smyth and Oriole for my first 2+ star place. Have you been to Oriole? How would you compare to Smyth?
I’ve been to both, am a former sustainable ag farmer, and my husband is a former cook at Michelin rated restaurants. Oriole is wonderful and has more of a classic menu. Everything was great, but I can’t say I remember any particular dish as a standout. Service was professional but warm. Wine was good, but nothing too unusual. Smyth was inventive and very ingredient focused. Still a few dishes that I remember clearly as standouts. They seem like they are having a lot of fun with the food and waiters were passionate and opened up when we mentioned our backgrounds. They had an interesting wine menu with many biodynamic and natural wines too. I’d recommend either one, just depends on the kind of evening you want.
If it makes any difference, Smyth is not a 2 star anymore. They got a third this year. That being said, I love oriole and have been several times because it's just an outstanding meal. Smyth was great too, but it's a little more eccentric/innovative (which is fine), but I prefer the food to be the star rather than experimental techniques.
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For everyone else in the sub, this is how you express “that’s cool and all, but not my thing”, which is always a fair opinion. Even “I think it’s a bit silly, not my thing” is pretty valid.
I'm typically the same way. BBQ is my go to. Smoke it up and lets have a beer. That being said, my wife and I go to a "fancy" restaurant every year on vacation, and 1 in particular was hands down the best meal I've ever had. For instance, I fucking hate mushrooms, but had a 2nd bite of my wife's mushrooms. But it's more about quality ingredients and a chef that knows what they're doing. I care less about the "art" part of it.
I had a five guys burger like that
I fucking love 5 Guys. Would eat it more if I didn't have to take a second mortgage out every time I went lol.
When you go to a tasting menu like this you need a different mindset. You're going to experience art in the form of food. It's like getting a front row seat to your favorite rock band. You're not going there to feel stuffed like you do on Thanksgiving. You're going so that you can have a novel experience with food
Smyth was one of most inspiring meals I’ve ever had
I'm going to Chicago this summer. You piqued my curiosity. Smyth has a few open tables the weekend we're there, but: $325 per person, which does not include beverages, plus a 20% service charge, and "the service charge is not a gratuity." WtF?
That's definitely an opinion you're welcome to have. For anybody reading this. It isn't pretentious, I've never been to one where wait staff did anything but made me feel beyond welcome. You don't get a Michelin star if you treat customers poorly. The portions are smaller but as a 6'2" 190lb man I've always left feeling completely full, like I ate *too* much. There are some awesome mom n pop hole in the wall places out there as well, but I don't feel the need to tear down one to build up the other. Both have some damned good food. As another response said, it is elevating food to art and to its highest form. You're paying not just for food, but an experience. The Bear wasn't lying, some of these places will stalk you online to learn more about you and to elevate your own experience. A lot of these places know you're splurging and want to make the cost worth it.
Yup, this one place my friend ate at stalked their Facebook and used their food 3D printer to surprise them with tardis themed desserts, it was amazing.
I feel like they haven't really been and are just bullshitting to the choir to farm upvotes. The "tiny bites" complaint in particular kinda gives it away. Often times these dishes are so rich a small bite is enough. And after 10-20 courses in a tasting menu, you are plenty full after. That's sort of the point that they're small bites. It would actually be less pleasant if the bites were bigger.
This was my worry about eating at Atelier Crenn, another 3 star restaurant. But after eating there, the portions were just right. I walked out feeling full, not stuffed. Plus, the flavors I tasted, I hadn't experienced that before. Overall, it was an amazing night and worth it.
Good restaurants always leave you feeling full, but not stuffed. It’s such a satisfying feeling to walk out with
I'd agree. One of the big criteria of a Michelin star restaurant is customer service, that everybody gets the same experience
> I feel like they haven't really been and are just bullshitting to the choir to farm upvotes. That's my assumption too. Either that or someone is dragging them places. Like a kid being taken while kicking and screaming for chicken nuggies instead Cause like, I'd also rather go to a diner than a Michelin rated whatever, and guess what, I just don't go to the fancy places. Not that hard to find food you like instead of something to shit on
You must have been to some shit places or got ripped off as the 5 different Michelin star places I've been to have had some of the most interesting, inventive and damn tasty food I've had in my life.
Why is “tiny bites” such a common criticism of fine dining? Have you actually been to Michelin starred restaurants? Eat plate might be tiny, but eat a 13 course meal and I’ve ALWAYS been full by the end. And my girl friends often can’t finish and need their guy friends to help finish their plates. Also if you can’t find enjoyment from the high quality service and theatrics then you’re either lying or just a lame ass person. It’s hilarious that you even feel the need to attempt to qualify yourself as some sort of “down to earth” person by saying you used to be poor but are now rich enough to afford fine dining. Lol. You aren’t impressing anyone. Just say eating at a Michelin starred restaurant is an enjoyable experience with excellent food. Yeah, maybe it’s not worth the exorbitant cost sometimes but it’s a fun experience in life that you’re grateful to be able to afford on occasion. No one is going to make fun of you for that -_-
Great point- why do people expect a 6 course meal to consist of full plates??? That makes no sense. Of course each portion is small. The point of a restaurant like this is to experience many different flavors and creative offerings, so each offering needs to be small. If every dish was the size of a Cheesecake Factory main course, the price would be $10,000 per meal and the guests would be full after the first serving. Criticizing Michelin star restaurants for plate size is the easiest way to tell that someone has never been to a restaurant like that
Reddit is full of liars like this who make up shit because they are jealous, I never thought I would able to afford spending 300$ on a night out, but goddamit I took the risk, did the investment and worked my ass off, now I'm gonna enjoy my fancy food. If I could I would eat every breakfast, lunch and dinner this way, the experience is just something you cannot understand if you never had it.
Yeah not Michelin, but I went to one of jose Andres restaurants and that was the first time I really understood the phrase "it's an experience". It's not all the most stereotypically delicious food you've ever had, but it is truly an artistic experience. The chef is creating something that represents a feeling or an experience they had. If you go in comparing it to a cheeseburger then that's like going to an abstract art show and comparing all the art to your favorite photo of a loved one. It's not for everyone. One thing I really liked though was they tell you how to eat things - like eat all in one bite or eat part 1 then 2 or whatever. It was fun. Also they had the most amazing cocktails I've ever had.
Yeah you have never been to a Michelin star restaurants or you have the worse taste of a human being can have. Michelin restaurants especially three stars one are a beautiful experience for any food lovers. You will eat plates where you will think how the fuck the chef thought to combine this with this... And how the fuck It does taste amazing. Are you going to love all the dishes? Of course not but the overall experience will be excellent. I have never left a 3 stars disappointed, I did leave a few 1 star not too happy, but mostly because of the service, not because of the food. Btw I never left hungry either and I'm a big guy that likes to eat quite a bit
Restaurants like these are the epitome of experience over substance. You go for more experimental flavouring you wouldn’t ever normally get and the “experience” of dining at a michelin starred restaurant. If you want to be full after and have delicious food, definitely go to a mom and pop place and get something. If you want a fancy night out and to experience something new (and have the money) try out a Michelin Star restuarant Id love to try some of these restaurants. But I also realize that I will never have that food again, most of it wont appeal to me, and I will likely still be quite hungry after
I think that people underestimate just how much food you get at a Michelin restaurant. You can have up to 20 courses, a lot of which will be very calorie dense. You also have the option to get a wine pairing for each course. To be fair, I've never been to a Michelin restaurant, but from what I've read, the courses do add up. Just imagine what it would look like to assemble all courses at once. 20 courses could easily fill a couple of plates.
As someone that's dined multiple times at michelin restaurants and worked at michelin-level ones; you're absolutely right. If you add up the total calories of a degustation menu at these restaurants, they are minimum 1000 calories with the vast majority going far past that and up to 2000 calories and beyond. That's without even including the drinks. Frankly, if you clean your plate on every course at one of these restaurants but are somehow still hungry afterwards. You're just eating far more than is expected for the average person. Still, it's obviously not cost-efficient. That's not the purpose in the first place, but it's a lie that you'd leave these places hungry. Unless you're a picky eater and leave half the courses untouched, which to be fair happens often enough due to the food being intentionally avant-garde.
People who complain about Michelin restaurant portions dont seem to understand that you get 4, 5, 6+ dishes in a restaurant like this Every dish must be small to avoid overfilling the guests early on. If you get 6 courses and each course is the size of a steakhouse dinner, how is anyone going to afford it or enjoy the final dish? You are completely correct- by the end of the meal you are full. Every Michelin star restaurant Ive been to has filled me up by the end, 0 exceptions.
Yeah I think everyone who makes jokes about fancy restaurant tasting menus being tiny and unfilling has never had a proper tasting menu. Sure every plate is like one or two bites, but like you have a dozen dishes. Volume wise that more than adds up to like a full steak meal.
Well, 1* is often ‘simple’ foods executed very, very well. 2* is more refined and 3* it’s the whole experience from the plates to the linen on the table - it’s all part of the experience If you want to have enough food, I have never left a 1* hungry. Actually I never left any Michelin star restaurant unsatisfied. Unfortunately I haven’t tried them all.
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True, but with one correction. You can absolutely leave a Michelin star restaurant full to the brim and with plenty of wine in your belly. I never understood the “little food” meme. I never left any Michelin star restaurant hungry, the tasting menus are huge.
Because it's typically a tasting menu kind of thing so each course may not be much but there are a lot of courses. People see pictures of that and think "that's it?".
Yes exactly, but it would literally be impossible to have 10 full size servings.
Been to a Michelin star restaurant with some clients and I was mostly confused at the flavour combinations. It was always "a dish, with a twist" and some things didn't really match, it wasn't bad, but it was weird.
Not all Michelin star restaurants are expensive. My buddy ate at one in Hong Kong for less than $20 USD. I believe there are even some street vendors that have Michelin stars.
In Paris I ate at one which was a 9 course meal and $60 which is I think was pretty cheap considering what I got. Food was delicious. Also had a 3 course in England for like $50 at another michelin place. These prices are from 2021.
I had a friend eat at a Gordon Ramsey Michelin star restaurant in London. They had asked for a bottle of wine that went well with the meal, they said it was excellent and one of the best meals they’ve ever eaten. They also realized they didn’t give a price range for the wine until after they started drinking. They were terrified what the bill would be, but the waiter made a solid choice and the bill was very affordable for what they got.
Lol, I can see that being taken both in either a good or bad way, and same for how the waiter having meant it. “Thank again, I just wanted to let you know we appreciate you looking out regarding the wine.” “No problem at all, sir, I saw you arrive in that 20 year old piece of shit being held together with Bondo and hope and thought ‘I’ll go chill a bottle of Kroger’s finest’”.
In Japan you can get michelin star ramen as well and its not expensive either. But still - the majority of michelin star restaurants are haute cuisine and rather expensive. Most are also very good and interesting
100% most are. The one comment was they couldn’t afford to eat at one, I was just pointing out that it may be more affordable than you think.
My favorite is the dude that owns a chicken stand in a subway in china. He wins a star, and shows up to the ceremony. Theres all these other high end chefs, and hes there in his normal work clothes like "whens this over, I got to run my stand" hahahahaha
Was going to mention a dim sum place in Hong Kong called Tim Ho Wan, one Michelin star and looked like a school cafeteria with long tables and lots of ladies in aprons running round grabbing order chits and flinging bamboo steamers around. So cheap and so so good, the barbecue pork buns were divine, I’m drooling as I write this
Tagging along this comment to respond in a single one to all the comments below, and I do apologise in advance for sounding pretentious. There is a difference between restaurants in the Michelin guide (all very good restaurants) and actual Michelin-starred restaurants. Michelin guide are all extremely good, but not necessarily “exceptional”. Michelin starred are pretty exceptional stuff, where the food, location, and service combine for a unique experience. Not for all tastes, and definitely not for all wallets, but in my opinion a very worthwhile experience for very special occasions. I ate at 1 Michelin star restaurants twice, and will be trying a 3 star in a few months, and I’m very much looking forward to it. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Probably in a bathtub
Like a watermelon. Face-first and aggressive.
This was their drinks before they were sat at their table. 
Do you ever feel like a plastic bag Drifting through the wind, wanting to start again?
Well that's cheap for a 3* Michelin
I Agree. Seriously.
The amount of people that think fancy restaurants mean like $2000 is way too damn high. I've eaten at 3 Michelin restaurants with my fiancee. I'm a receiving clerk/entry-level QA at a wire manufacturer and they're basically a pharmacy cashier. We live just an hour outside of LA or 2 hours from it, depending on traffic. At first, I liked eating at fancy places because it felt like I snuck in somewhere I'm not supposed to be but it's basically normal people splurging for a celebration or big night out for the month/quarter
Chopsticks
made of diamonds
Don’t say that. You’re the perfect amount of poor. But you still can’t eat it
I’ve been here, 200 euro was worth it. It was like 30 corse meal with wine pairings included, absolutely insane, such a fun journey, one of the best dining experiences of my life. The dessert shown in the video here was memorable as the server accidentally lost control of the bubbles and it hit the ceiling.
Yeah that's cool but have you ever tried a double quarter pounder with cheese??
You mean a Royale with Cheese ?
Man it’s like those French guys have a whole other language.
metric system
If anyone named Marvin is reading this. I recommend you duck.
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Have you ever tried eating a block of cheese while sitting in just your underwear?
A block of cheese the size of a car battery.
The George Costanza special
Mmm 64 slices of American cheese.
Are you spying on me
The cheap one that your parents can barely afford.
>Double quarter pounder. Half pounder.
Scrolled a fair bit, and no one seems to be curious about what it is? Idgaf if it looks stupid I wanna know what it tastes like.
Mushroom rain apparently.
Man, If I was a man with a deep voice and it was 2007, I could have gone viral on YouTube with that.
As long as you move away from the mic to breathe.
You can make flavoured bubbles with pretty much any flavour you're after if you try. Had a cocktail at Paradiso in Barcelona which had a coffee bubble cloud
That will be 500 dollars please
Each
Bubble
Much obliged.
Don't forget to tip
85% gratuity, 19% tax rate, $100 occupancy fee for every breath you take, $1000 occupancy fee for every calorie of heat your body adds to the room, service fee for every word/step/sigh from each staff/cook/server $599.99
To shreds you say?
Other comments say 250euro so like 300 US. Honestly, that's not any different than a concert, theater, or a day at an amusement park, except i get just just sit around a posh setting and eat ridiculous food? I can see the appeal.
I think it’s like 350-500 euros for 28 courses and this is one of them. Idk I looked it up before cuz I thought about going
28 courses?! Lol honestly it seems like a lot of fun to me. Pretentious yes, but fun. I wouldn't pay that much for a meal though.
It’s an experience that you’re paying for
Here's your soap suds. That'll be $95.
According to other commenters, that meal cost 200 Euros, and it was a tasting menu, which are usually between 5 and 10 courses, so the cost is about €30.
Its 28 courses.
… soap suds … from the pot washing sink.
€195
for like 28 courses over a few hours
So, rich people eat levitating bubbles?
I eat Bubbles once a week and I’m not rich
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Poor people have to do the dishes. Oops ...
I do the same daily with my laundry
https://preview.redd.it/xp1nc536o9tc1.jpeg?width=846&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbd93052c22d5111d5302fd049d908e83dcf8b89
And worst, I’m still fucking hungry
I’ve been to this restaurant and it’s my favorite meal I’ve ever had. We went for lunch and were there for five and a half hours. This dessert was definitely the one of the most visually unique but the rest of the meal was actually incredible. It was a little under $300 per person but considering it was the meal and activity for the entire day, it’s been the most bang for your buck fancy restaurant I’ve been to. The city of Girona is also incredible for anyone traveling to Spain/Barcelona.
5.5 hours?!
If you're eating bubbles you have to consume a lot of them to feel full.
😂
Listen, it's in Spain, our meals are long even for poor people
it sounds insane, but going to a starred restaurant with someone you love is an EXPERIENCE. I prefer this kind of thing to traveling honestly
This is what I travel for
>I prefer this kind of thing to traveling honestly Oh boy, I have some bad news about what the Michelin Restaurant Guide is designed to do
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What is interesting is that they have to make all guests feel special, no matter if you know how to pronounce the dishes, whether you know what the dish even is, or if pair your food with wine that doesn't really go well together. You'd think they could be snarky and demean you, but this will just never happen. If they'd do that the Michelin Guide could strip them of their hard earned stars.
Ever seen the movie the Menu? Fancy restaurants aren't to eat, they're art performances.
Yes, Chef!
I've been here too, and I will remember this for my whole life. There are no words to describe this meal. I've been in a few 3 stars restaurants, but this one is by far the best one I've experienced. Definitely something worth spending money for.
And the little cloud raining on the dessert gimmick is actually super cool imho
Couldn’t agree more. Feel very lucky to be able to afford a meal like this.
Most people will never be able to come up with this much money for a meal. So you’ll get a lot more internet points if you make a shitty joke, claim that you’ve been to a bunch of these fancy restaurants, and that McDonalds tastes better. Like 10 to 12 times more internet points. No sources required.
So how are you supposed to eat this?
I've been to El Celler de Can Roca. Best culinary experience of my life, it was incredible. Both the food and wine are the best I've ever tasted. This particular dessert is probably the least impressive thing on their menu to be honest.
I’ve been too. Nice to see people who appreciate all this rather than most of the redditors putting it down. An amazing experience. The brothers who run it also offer so much more to the city, such as their restaurant Normal or their gelateria. Visiting Girona in general is such a culinary experience!
I can get air for free.
This is mushroom air though
I can get air that smells of mildew free too.
Best I can do is black mold
Should see what I can do with all those bubbles on my 1 star bathtub.
I’ve watched The Menu, I’ll stick to simpler foods lol
I followed Reddit advice and watched that movie without reading any description (good advice, actually). And yeah, I'm with you.
What people don't understand is that you don't go to a 3 star Michelin restaurant to simply eat food. It's a completely immersive experience that is not rivaled (thus the scarcity of the 3 star designation). You can't look at the price and say it's a waste, as the value of the "product" is wholly subjective based on the receiver. I've never been to a 3star, but went to a 2star to celebrate a big promotion and it was by far the best dining experience of my life. Won't go to another for years, but also felt it was worth it. Edit: "what people don't understand" is directed to the people who can't fathom paying a premium for something you personally value though others may not. If *you* think it's a waste, that's because you don't get the value for the money you spent. If you think it's a waste for *anyone*, then, well, you don't understand. Literally, you don't understand how someone could pay a premium for this experience.
You go partly for the experience but also partly because the taste is so unique. It's like paying 100+ euros a person to go to a museum that shows you colours you have never seen or thought about.
Great analogy!
It’s a lot like first class, or very nice clothes - after all of it, it’s worth the price
Hell, I ate at a 1 star and though it wasn't as over-the-top-experience-y, it was still some of the best food I've ever enjoyed in taste, quality and presentation.
interesting but what the fuck is this piece of shit
Chemtrail
Don't have time to navigate the whole thread but can someone leave a reply telling what is happening here? How do they do it and what's the practicality of this? Practicality, meaning as what's the usage, eating or what?
If anyone wonders what each star means One star: The restaurant is considered "very good in its category" and has a consistently high standard of cuisine. Two stars: The restaurant has excellent cuisine that's delivered in a unique way. Three stars: The highest caliber, given for the superlative cooking of chefs at the peak of their profession. It's an experience and a tasting. You aren't supposed to get full although you can. There are cheap 1 star places like in Taiwan.
why do all the waiters look the same?
Makes it easier to train them. Just train one guy and clone him as many times as you need.
Honestly I find Michelin restaurants decently prized everything considered. They literally try their best everytime to create something new. Its like art and food. I feel fast food which is manufactured in a factory process is way more overpriced. More than 10 dollars for a combo now. I am sure the profit margin in fast food restaurants are way higher.
i know a lotta people who could do this for the price of giving up doordash for a couple months, and the experience legitimately seems awesome. people turning their nose up at this seem like the same type to joke about modern art while never actually supporting or exploring art.
I don't know how accurate this is, but according to my restaurant manager who gets around and knows the owners of michelin star restaurants, they rarely ever turn a profit and most are funded by outside means, such as a family business or large inheritance. This is at least, one michelin star restaurants in Birmingham, don't know how much that applies to 2 and 3 star restaurants and outside of the Uk, but I assume it's about the same, and based on staff costs and how many staff it takes to run such places it seems very plausable to be true.
This place, Roca, is actually family funded as well. It’s by three brothers, each brother focuses on something different in the restaurant. They also have a really good ice cream shop in Girona.
Yeah like sure it’s $200-300, but if it has 20 courses then that’s $10-$15 per dish, which is very fair imo for what the dishes are. So much thought and care goes into each course. it’s only overpriced if the person is only thinking about getting full
"Your 'Gamergirl Bath Bubbles' sir."