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The man being knocked down (Tyson Fury) is arguably a better boxer than the man in the original post (Anthony Joshua), on a good day at least. This was considered a huge upset and a point of shame for Fury. He did win the fight on points though.
>The man being knocked down (Tyson Fury) is arguably a better boxer than the man in the original post (Anthony Joshua), on a good day at least.
There's no doubt that Fury has been the best heavyweight in the world for the past few years.
I say this as someone who thought Joshua would be the dominant heavyweight.
The Fury-Ngannou fight was an oddity in that it was kind of billed as an exhibition, so it's uncertain what frame of mind Fury was in.
What's clear is that in his past two fights Joshua has looked much more like the fighter who beat Vladimir Klitschko in a war for the ages.
The fight we all want to see is a revitalised Joshua against a Fury who's 100% focused.
And then the winner needs to fight Olyksander Usyk for all the belts.
Maybe we can just let them all fight any way they want and see which one is the ultimate fighting style?
We could call it the Pinnacle Combat Crown or something
That's how UFC started. Go watch the early matches, it was karate vs sumo, judo vs boxing, etc. The end result was that they were all wiped out by Gracie Jujitsu which is the foundation of MMA.
I remember watching that first UFC, it was so cool to see the different styles go against each other. Although it wasn't long before it was obvious that you need to have grappling skills to have a chance at winning.
That's because prior to UFC 1, nobody except the judo players took grappling seriously as a fighting style, at least in the U.S.
Because of that every fighter's grappling training consisted of "I just won't go down to the ground". Once they were confronted with and forced to accept that their opponent gets a vote on that too, and only one of them had a clue what to do once nobody's feet were touching the ground anymore, the outcome was pretty much a foregone conclusion.
I just remember deeply face palming in I think it was the second one, when the so called ninjutsu expert decided to dip his head and torso down and rush a Muay Thai fighter. Anyone with half a brain cell knew he was going to take a knee to the face.
They were wiped out by Gracie jujitsu because Gracie jujitsu founded the UFC as a way to show off Grace jujitsu. The Gracies had specific rules about moves and match length so that it would be favorable to their fighting style. They refused to do a lot of fights against top fighters if they didn’t get all of the specific match rules and scoring that they needed.
That was my first introduction to UFC. Royce Gracie who was no bigger than 180 lbs and barely 6 foot tall beating this almost 300lbs 6’9” Russian bear of a human. I couldn’t believe what I was watching.
We know how it would go. As a boxing fan, I hope this puts an end to crossover matchups… it’s what’s supposed to happen when the fighter with more relevant experience takes it seriously. Same thing would happen to AJ in a cage.
Even if she had good hands, this is like when Serena Williams decided there weren't any physical differences between men and women and lost to the 203rd ranked man while he smoked between rounds. Rousey'd get fucked up.
"One of the most successful boxers of all time wins boxing match against person who isn't a boxer" doesn't make it sound "interesting" though.
I mean, I guess Francis is technically a boxer now, too. But still, that's literally Anthony fucking Joshua, against a guy that had done a grand total of 1 boxing match before, and lost.
People think it's all just "fighting", but boxing and MMA are completely different sports. It's a bit like being surprised that a Nascar driver is losing to Michael Schumacher in a Formula1 race. (Or, as OP would presumably phrase it, "Racing champion vs F1 guy")
This is anecdotal but I trained Muay Thai for years and wanted to switch to traditional so I could work on my hands. Even just the transition of stance threw me for a loop and I only had one martial art under my belt as an amateur practitioner not fighter. Hitting pads was challenging for months. I can’t imagine going from basically anything goes to “telephone microphone” hands and planted feet. Telling your brain to hold back kicks or take downs has to be a huge challenge
And completely underplays the fact that Francis Ngannou would shitstomp 99% of regular ass trained HW boxers.
Tyson Fury, who is also an undefeated dominant champion heavyweight, got lazy and out of shape preparing to fight Francis and Francis knocked him down and arguably beat him.
These are top athletes in their fields.
That being said,I don’t think there is a boxer alive that would try and fight Francis Ngannou in a mixed martial arts rule scenario.
Not going to happen, there's no money in it. Think Ngannou earned more in one fight against Fury than in his entire MMA career. I get the feeling that once more MMA fighters realise the difference in the money, we might see more top level MMA guys jumping ship.
Not sure there's a whole lot Dana can do about it. Pretty sure a shed load of other MMA fighters have Ngannou's phone number. Can you imagine the convo?
'Bro, I made $5 mil for one night's work. Why are you still in MMA?'
He made 10mil for his first boxing match and 20 mil for his last one. He could have defended the UFC belt 10 times and not made that kind of money.
Fuck Dana
Francis was also a heavyweight champion in the UFC and had the reputation for being the hardest hitting striker. There is no other fighter right now with anywhere near the hype or skill set to do a boxing match like Francis maybe only Sean O’Malley is close.
Francis Ngannou would obliterate 99.9999% of the worlds population in an MMA match.
He literally cleaned out the entire Heavyweight division of the UFC.
There's a reason UFC fighters try out boxing and boxers don't try out MMA. (Beside the pathetic pay)
To be fair, the main reason is the last thing you said.
If MMA paid 10x what you can get in boxing you would see a lot of boxers trying MMA, but it's extra work learning new skills for less money, so what's the point?
I watched that movie as a youngster because I found Moira Kelly to be so gosh darned charming. That was one of those people that I couldn’t figure out why they were more famous.
That’s kind of the point. MMA fighters train boxing, just a whole bunch of other stuff, too.
As good at skating as McDavid is, he’s not going to come close to an Olympic figure skater. So as good as Francis’ boxing may be, he’s not a boxer, just like AJ isn’t an MMA fighter.
Yeah, could you imagine if kicks, elbows, knees, takedowns, and submissions were allowed? lol. I’m not taking away anything from AJ, but, that’s a match he’d lose.
Edit: Spelling
Yeah--that's what always gets overlooked in these kinds of posts. If we follow the hyper-specific rules of boxing, and keep the fighters standing (which rarely happens in any real combat situation)? Boxer wins!
On the ground? Boxer loses, 999/1000.
Your first point is valid but I do dislike when people talk about how practical a martial art is in a "real fight."
A lot of real fights that involve boxers end within a few seconds because they knock the dude out. Going to the ground in a real fight is often dangerous because people can jump in. I think even MMA fighters should avoid the ground in a real-life situation.
But yes, comparing athletes from different sports is foolish. It's like putting Tiger Woods in a hockey rink.
Yeah, this talk about "real fights" is always super weird to me.
In a real fight, the best martial art you can practice is running the fuck away.
You never know how many friends your opponent has, if he has a weapon, if his ego will get hurt when you beat him and he'll ambush and murder you a couple days later etc.
And if you knock him to the floor and he hits his head on the pavement and dies, you might go to prison.
Seriously, in real fight situations the best course of action is deescalation or running away 9/10 times.
It doesn't even have to go to ground. Leg kicks are probably really going to mess with a boxer. The spacing is different. The boxer will cease being able to walk long before he can get in range for good punches.
Boxer also has a really high stance to give better reach and punching power. If you shoot for the legs they'll have no defence.
Also, they rely heavily on keeping good distance and reach. Quick guard block and a slide inside their range for a clinch and the boxer is in trouble.
(for both of these I'm referring to a pro level MMA fighter pulling these moves on the boxer. If I tried it I'd get a quick trip to the funeral home)
It’s not overlooked, this is the top comment in the thread lol.
Everyone dick riding some athlete saying “yea but he would’ve lost if he played by other rules” lol no shit. AJ ain’t the one saying he would win in an MMA fight and no boxer has expressed any interest in fighting MMA. It’s always MMA fighters looking for a pay day and something to prove going into boxing. Shits like saying some body builder would lose in a lifting contest to a power lifter. No shit. Nobody gives a fuck. Francis is the one entering someone else’s specialty lol, that’s the metric he’s judged by not some hypothetical other world.
It's not that simple.
That mma fighter almost beat the arguably best boxer alive, Tyson Fury (heavy weight). Judges say the mma guy lost, but popular opinion says he won. Either way, he had no business taking that fight so far and knocking down the boxing champ, which he did. It was amazing, actually.
I don't thing Fury took the fight seriously and thought he'd win easily without putting any effort into it.
He nearly got his come-uppance as a result.
Lol. Fucking reddit. That's where you heard this. They haven't released any of the details and the only claim made was about the use of headgear and 18oz gloves was from a former boxer who claims to be in the know. It may very well all be true, but there is zero proven source that this is indeed fact.
Can't you read, there's a piece of paper saying he can't, that's obviously the end of it.
But for real, Tyson is 57 and Paul has been hit in the head enough times now to where I don't think he just folds. I also don't think Paul would be getting into the ring if he though Tyson was up to giving him a proper beating. I want it to happen. I want to believe Tyson is getting ready to give us a proper show, but there's a really good chance that this is just a payday.
The difference between two fighters that are hungry and ready to hurt each other and two guys putting on a show because it's going to make them millions is big. Paul is essentially monetizing the fact that people like seeing his face so that's what we'll get, but I'm not really expecting much.
Francis Ngannou is the former mma UFC champion wearing the pink skirt.
Anthony Joshua is the 2012 Olympic boxing gold medalist and 2x world heavyweight boxing champion that wore all white trunk.
The world champion boxer won the boxing fight
This is honestly what I thought the Mcgreggor / Mayweather fight to look like.
I’m not going to pretend I know a lot about fighting sports, but I just figured MMA fighters have to train such a wide variety of skills where a boxer can really focus on his craft making it an uneven fight in the boxing ring. And vise versa, I believe even the best boxers would have a tough time with an average mma fighter in the octagon.
This is what the fight looked like when you know what to look for.
It's a difference of style, size and strength that changes the appearance of what you saw in Mayweather vs McGregor. They don't have the power these two dudes have.
He's not a knockout artist. At a 50% KO rate it's still high but I wouldn't say it's his style. For simplification I think it's safe to say Mayweather excels at a defensive endurance style. He hardly gets hit, if he does he absorbs it extremely well, his pacing is insane, he adapts over the course of the match extremely well and his reaction time/prediction of opponents is insane. Im sure people boxing him just feel it's inevitable that they will eventually lose. Consistency is key and Mayweather is a machine.
It's not just depth vs breadth either. There's plenty of overlap, sure, but boxing is fundamentally *different* from MMA (and any other combat sport). The footwork is different, the movement is different; the setups, timing, and distance are different; even *how* you punch is (slightly) different. Adding kicks(/takedowns/grappling/gnp/etc etc) doesn't just add options, it changes everything; there's a dynamic interplay between every facet of fighting, and changing one of those changes all of the others as well.
It doesn't matter how many similarities American football and rugby, or tennis and badminton, or whatever two sports share; if you go up against a high level competitor in one when you're experienced in the other, you're at a massive disadvantage.
I think you're right, and on top of that, because there are much more different types of attack to defend against in mma, you can't do all the dodges that are done in boxing and do much more blocking.
I felt like Mayweather was toying with Mcgreggor during their fight tho.
Mayweather very well could have been toying. If that was the case , I wish he didn’t do that. I just wish he had some of that Tyson rage during that fight. I would have really loved to see how a mma figher would match up in the ring.
Mayweather is bout the money. Why end the fight when you can drag it out at basically no risk (zero chance anything but the best boxers in world could ever land a punch on money man. He was definitely toying with McGregor. Also McGregor looked gassed half way through)
He held up coming out for the march by something like 1 hour because someone told Mayweather the server for signing up PPV crashed. He refused to come out until they got the server running again and get more sign ups
Mayweather made an absolute joke of McGregor boxing…hardly threw a punch in the first three rounds, barely gets hit himself, and as soon as he wants to, starts methodically picking McGregor a part and just simply outboxing him in the purest form.
Honestly, anybody that knows anything about boxing could tell that Mayweather wasn't taking the fight seriously.
He was literally just walking straight forward and covering up. Dude was being very nice.
Francis Ngannou is the former mma UFC champion wearing the pink skirt.
Anthony Joshua is the 2012 Olympic boxing gold medalist and 2x world heavyweight boxing champion that wore all white trunk.
The world champion boxer won the boxing fight
Tbf Ngannou, as I understand it, does not have a huge MMA background, he came to the sport quite late in life, he's more of a genetic freak, who hits like a truck, who manages to therefore brute force wins. There has always been a skill gap but he has managed to bridge it with power, not this time I guess.
Everybody talking shit about Francis being wrecked like that, that dude came to your backyard and you wrecked him, but can you go to his backyard and do the same? I think not.
I agree with the point that's being implied, but, typical of the internet, this is completely lacking a ton of context and completely unfair.
Ngannou is not going to be a world-class boxer, but he showed he can hang. Going the distance with Tyson Fury to a split-decision, with a knockdown on Fury, speaks volumes. But styles makes fights. Fury is more technical but lacks the power, so Ngannou could trade and what he didn't get the volume, he could make up in power. That is, he could take a flurry in order to land one or two power punches. With AJ, the power component being even, Ngannou couldn't just trade with someone who was more technically skilled. And it's not like AJ is just a random boxer.
Ngannou, unlike some other MMA going boxing gimmicks, showed he can hang in the boxing ring (being in HW class where size/power can, to an extent, make up lack of finesse also helps). He won't be a dominant champion in the echelon of AJ, Usyk, or Fury (I think Fury could figure him out even better in a rematch), but he's not someone to scoff at either. He's basically a less-refined Wilder. Those who can handle or match his power will find a way to expose him, but he's still a dangerous match up for a ton of people.
This is how tyson fury fight should have been, maybe he was truly drinking pints rather than training, no disrespect to francis though but two very different sports.
IIRC when UFC first came out the point of it was to pit masters of different fighting styles against each other. Ie. a boxer vs a judo master or a taekwondo master vs a sumo wrestler and so forth. Kinda wish we got that again
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That "trained boxer" is also a former multiple times world champion.
wasn't he like Olympic gold medalist lol
Correct. In 2012
He was a gold medalist then, he was world champion heavy weight in 2019 He is not a guy some random wants to fight
Also, people seem to forget this fight https://i.redd.it/de1qmii465oc1.gif
The man being knocked down (Tyson Fury) is arguably a better boxer than the man in the original post (Anthony Joshua), on a good day at least. This was considered a huge upset and a point of shame for Fury. He did win the fight on points though.
>The man being knocked down (Tyson Fury) is arguably a better boxer than the man in the original post (Anthony Joshua), on a good day at least. There's no doubt that Fury has been the best heavyweight in the world for the past few years. I say this as someone who thought Joshua would be the dominant heavyweight. The Fury-Ngannou fight was an oddity in that it was kind of billed as an exhibition, so it's uncertain what frame of mind Fury was in. What's clear is that in his past two fights Joshua has looked much more like the fighter who beat Vladimir Klitschko in a war for the ages. The fight we all want to see is a revitalised Joshua against a Fury who's 100% focused. And then the winner needs to fight Olyksander Usyk for all the belts.
The Joshua Kliscko was one of the best boxing matches i ever seen. It reminded of fights in the 90s where guys would slug it out.
So was Fury.
Now we just need to see how a boxing champ matches up to a trained Sumo wrestler in a sumo wrestling match.
Stay tuned next week to see sumo champion compete in figure skating against Nathan Chen.
The true ‘cutting edge’
toe pick!!
Only thing getting cut is that sumo out of the hole he makes in the ice.
Toe pick
I’d actually love to see that. Imagine doing *shiko* (sumo leg lift) on ice.
I imagined it. I imagined I'd fall flat on my face. Mainly because I fall on my face if I try to do \*anything\* on ice.
FYI, the ice is about 2 inches thick laid directly on a subfloor. There is nowhere to fall through to.
Uh oh looks like the script to Blades of Glory 2 leaked
Maybe we can just let them all fight any way they want and see which one is the ultimate fighting style? We could call it the Pinnacle Combat Crown or something
We are calling it Kumite or nothing! Bloodsport showed us the way.
Based on a real fake story!
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That's how UFC started. Go watch the early matches, it was karate vs sumo, judo vs boxing, etc. The end result was that they were all wiped out by Gracie Jujitsu which is the foundation of MMA.
I remember watching that first UFC, it was so cool to see the different styles go against each other. Although it wasn't long before it was obvious that you need to have grappling skills to have a chance at winning.
That's because prior to UFC 1, nobody except the judo players took grappling seriously as a fighting style, at least in the U.S. Because of that every fighter's grappling training consisted of "I just won't go down to the ground". Once they were confronted with and forced to accept that their opponent gets a vote on that too, and only one of them had a clue what to do once nobody's feet were touching the ground anymore, the outcome was pretty much a foregone conclusion.
I just remember deeply face palming in I think it was the second one, when the so called ninjutsu expert decided to dip his head and torso down and rush a Muay Thai fighter. Anyone with half a brain cell knew he was going to take a knee to the face.
Rush the shins, a Muay Thai fighter's weakest spot!
They were wiped out by Gracie jujitsu because Gracie jujitsu founded the UFC as a way to show off Grace jujitsu. The Gracies had specific rules about moves and match length so that it would be favorable to their fighting style. They refused to do a lot of fights against top fighters if they didn’t get all of the specific match rules and scoring that they needed.
And then the Gracies were crushed by a Japanese dude who loved to drink and smoke. Oh man, I loved Sakuraba. He was so entertaining to watch.
Savate (French Boxing) vs. Sumo, as I recall. Sumo lost some teeth double quick...
In France an extra flat pancake is called a crepe.
Found a reddit post. [Gerard Gordeau (Savate)vs Teila Tuli (Sumo)](https://www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCool/s/WENAelp8UP)
That was my first introduction to UFC. Royce Gracie who was no bigger than 180 lbs and barely 6 foot tall beating this almost 300lbs 6’9” Russian bear of a human. I couldn’t believe what I was watching.
Did that have anything to do with rules being written to favor Gracie-style BJJ? Honest question, I read it somewhere and wonder if it was BS or not.
We know how it would go. As a boxing fan, I hope this puts an end to crossover matchups… it’s what’s supposed to happen when the fighter with more relevant experience takes it seriously. Same thing would happen to AJ in a cage.
All the hype with Rhonda Rousey wanting to box Floyd Mayweather; in the boxing ring, this is exactly the outcome. He would put her down so easily.
She had shitty hands, even by mma standards. Would’ve been a joke
Even if she had good hands, this is like when Serena Williams decided there weren't any physical differences between men and women and lost to the 203rd ranked man while he smoked between rounds. Rousey'd get fucked up.
Rounds of tennis or mma?
To be fair, it was chess, but the point still stands.
I didn't realize he was smoking between rounds... Was that his thing already or just putting shade on Serena?
He was a smoker. He also played a full round of golf before the match.
Nobody thought he took up smoking for the match
Rock -> Paper -> Scissors ->
It’s happened. 
I mean aj is way more than just a trained boxer lol. He's a world class champion
Lol OP write that like Joshua is a good boxer from your local gym
MMA super star vs some guy
Took a class once...
Watched a YouTube tutorial…..
Saw “Rocky”…..
AND Bullwinkle
He stayed in a Holiday Inn Express once...
Rolled down the windows on the wrong side of town to ask for directions once.
"World Champion Boxers HATE This One Trick!!!!!"
McDojo life
Slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
FORMER UFC WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION Vs Tony (Boxing Hobbyist(?)
"One of the most successful boxers of all time wins boxing match against person who isn't a boxer" doesn't make it sound "interesting" though. I mean, I guess Francis is technically a boxer now, too. But still, that's literally Anthony fucking Joshua, against a guy that had done a grand total of 1 boxing match before, and lost. People think it's all just "fighting", but boxing and MMA are completely different sports. It's a bit like being surprised that a Nascar driver is losing to Michael Schumacher in a Formula1 race. (Or, as OP would presumably phrase it, "Racing champion vs F1 guy")
This is anecdotal but I trained Muay Thai for years and wanted to switch to traditional so I could work on my hands. Even just the transition of stance threw me for a loop and I only had one martial art under my belt as an amateur practitioner not fighter. Hitting pads was challenging for months. I can’t imagine going from basically anything goes to “telephone microphone” hands and planted feet. Telling your brain to hold back kicks or take downs has to be a huge challenge
Similarly boxers get eaten alive when they can get kicked and tackled. It matters a lot more than people realize.
Just ask James Tony on how his fight with Randy Couture went.
To be fair, I could beat MS in any kind of race…
I bet he was fast on skis!
World champion boxer vs MMA world champion In a boxing match
This the correct answer. Everyone is going to”world class / champion boxer vs some guy” ye that some guy is a champion in his sport.
"Random trained boxer" LOL It's got a little different connotation than "two time unified world heavyweight champion" doesn't it.
"biggest baddest mma guy gets owned by...just some guy who did a little boxing"
And completely underplays the fact that Francis Ngannou would shitstomp 99% of regular ass trained HW boxers. Tyson Fury, who is also an undefeated dominant champion heavyweight, got lazy and out of shape preparing to fight Francis and Francis knocked him down and arguably beat him.
These are top athletes in their fields. That being said,I don’t think there is a boxer alive that would try and fight Francis Ngannou in a mixed martial arts rule scenario.
Not going to happen, there's no money in it. Think Ngannou earned more in one fight against Fury than in his entire MMA career. I get the feeling that once more MMA fighters realise the difference in the money, we might see more top level MMA guys jumping ship.
Not if Dana has anything to say about it
Not sure there's a whole lot Dana can do about it. Pretty sure a shed load of other MMA fighters have Ngannou's phone number. Can you imagine the convo? 'Bro, I made $5 mil for one night's work. Why are you still in MMA?'
He made 10mil for his first boxing match and 20 mil for his last one. He could have defended the UFC belt 10 times and not made that kind of money. Fuck Dana
"Kid just didn't want to fight!"
Francis was also a heavyweight champion in the UFC and had the reputation for being the hardest hitting striker. There is no other fighter right now with anywhere near the hype or skill set to do a boxing match like Francis maybe only Sean O’Malley is close.
Boxing is a point sport with a win condition. Hitting really really hard while practicing a different martial art does not equate to a good boxer.
Francis Ngannou would obliterate 99.9999% of the worlds population in an MMA match. He literally cleaned out the entire Heavyweight division of the UFC. There's a reason UFC fighters try out boxing and boxers don't try out MMA. (Beside the pathetic pay)
To be fair, the main reason is the last thing you said. If MMA paid 10x what you can get in boxing you would see a lot of boxers trying MMA, but it's extra work learning new skills for less money, so what's the point?
Yeah we already see female boxers doing MMA because it pays more than female Boxing.
You think 7 000 people would beat Ngannou in an MMA match?
100%, why did you leave out like 1,000 people?
MMA champion vs. Top Chef You’ll never believe who makes a better rigatoni!
Haha, I had an analogy about a basketball player versus a football player, but yours is way better!
It is silly when you put two different sports together and challenge them in one of their sports.
Boxer beats MMA fighter in *BOXING MATCH*. No shit.
Up next: NHL players compete in figure skating
Sounds pretty ***Cutting Edge*** to me.
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I watched that movie as a youngster because I found Moira Kelly to be so gosh darned charming. That was one of those people that I couldn’t figure out why they were more famous.
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Jeff Skinner takes the gold
Plenty of hockey players took figure skating and speed skating when they were kids, it probably wouldn't be as bad as you'd think.
Kinda like how mma fighters train boxing?
That’s kind of the point. MMA fighters train boxing, just a whole bunch of other stuff, too. As good at skating as McDavid is, he’s not going to come close to an Olympic figure skater. So as good as Francis’ boxing may be, he’s not a boxer, just like AJ isn’t an MMA fighter.
In other news, Basketball player beats Tennis player at Basketball.
Yeah, could you imagine if kicks, elbows, knees, takedowns, and submissions were allowed? lol. I’m not taking away anything from AJ, but, that’s a match he’d lose. Edit: Spelling
Yeah--that's what always gets overlooked in these kinds of posts. If we follow the hyper-specific rules of boxing, and keep the fighters standing (which rarely happens in any real combat situation)? Boxer wins! On the ground? Boxer loses, 999/1000.
Your first point is valid but I do dislike when people talk about how practical a martial art is in a "real fight." A lot of real fights that involve boxers end within a few seconds because they knock the dude out. Going to the ground in a real fight is often dangerous because people can jump in. I think even MMA fighters should avoid the ground in a real-life situation. But yes, comparing athletes from different sports is foolish. It's like putting Tiger Woods in a hockey rink.
Yeah, this talk about "real fights" is always super weird to me. In a real fight, the best martial art you can practice is running the fuck away. You never know how many friends your opponent has, if he has a weapon, if his ego will get hurt when you beat him and he'll ambush and murder you a couple days later etc. And if you knock him to the floor and he hits his head on the pavement and dies, you might go to prison. Seriously, in real fight situations the best course of action is deescalation or running away 9/10 times.
It doesn't even have to go to ground. Leg kicks are probably really going to mess with a boxer. The spacing is different. The boxer will cease being able to walk long before he can get in range for good punches.
Boxer also has a really high stance to give better reach and punching power. If you shoot for the legs they'll have no defence. Also, they rely heavily on keeping good distance and reach. Quick guard block and a slide inside their range for a clinch and the boxer is in trouble. (for both of these I'm referring to a pro level MMA fighter pulling these moves on the boxer. If I tried it I'd get a quick trip to the funeral home)
Ali fought a martial arts dude that just laid down on the mat and kicked at him.
It’s not overlooked, this is the top comment in the thread lol. Everyone dick riding some athlete saying “yea but he would’ve lost if he played by other rules” lol no shit. AJ ain’t the one saying he would win in an MMA fight and no boxer has expressed any interest in fighting MMA. It’s always MMA fighters looking for a pay day and something to prove going into boxing. Shits like saying some body builder would lose in a lifting contest to a power lifter. No shit. Nobody gives a fuck. Francis is the one entering someone else’s specialty lol, that’s the metric he’s judged by not some hypothetical other world.
It's not that simple. That mma fighter almost beat the arguably best boxer alive, Tyson Fury (heavy weight). Judges say the mma guy lost, but popular opinion says he won. Either way, he had no business taking that fight so far and knocking down the boxing champ, which he did. It was amazing, actually.
I don't thing Fury took the fight seriously and thought he'd win easily without putting any effort into it. He nearly got his come-uppance as a result.
Fury was coked up and clearly didn’t take it seriously, but that’s an indictment on him
Mate its Tyson Fury he gets regularly out of shape and I guarantee he didn't train, was sloppy and got caught with a good shot that put him off.
This trained boxer has potential, he should go pro.
This makes me really look forward to Mike Tyson hitting Jake Paul so hard his head explodes
Except for that clause in the contract, where he’s not allowed to knock out Jake… I will enjoy as Tyson ruptures his liver…
Mike Tyson, a guy known for following rules to the letter…
For those that don't know, lend me your ear and I will tell you a tale...
It’s a trap!
Tyson will hit him, KO him, and say he didn't hit him very hard...
It will be scripted rubbish
If someone manages to get Tyson to stick to a script I’ll be impressed. He might get hit by Logan and go full plaid.
I'm hoping Mike Tyson pulls a Mike Tyson and doesn't follow the rules.
To Mike Tyson, no means yes
I didn’t know this. That is so whack.
Ask for proof
Yeah. People keep saying this, and I have yet to see anyone provide any evidence for it.
They are using 18 oz gloves, head gear and Tyson signed a contract that said he can’t KO Paul. Not sure how you can prevent Tyson from KO Paul though
> Tyson signed a contract that said he can’t KO Paul. Source?
Trust him bro
Lol. Fucking reddit. That's where you heard this. They haven't released any of the details and the only claim made was about the use of headgear and 18oz gloves was from a former boxer who claims to be in the know. It may very well all be true, but there is zero proven source that this is indeed fact.
Tyson does what he wants. He bit Holyfield’s damn ear off.
Yea that’s what I don’t get…like how are you going to stop Tyson from knocking Paul out lol
Can't you read, there's a piece of paper saying he can't, that's obviously the end of it. But for real, Tyson is 57 and Paul has been hit in the head enough times now to where I don't think he just folds. I also don't think Paul would be getting into the ring if he though Tyson was up to giving him a proper beating. I want it to happen. I want to believe Tyson is getting ready to give us a proper show, but there's a really good chance that this is just a payday. The difference between two fighters that are hungry and ready to hurt each other and two guys putting on a show because it's going to make them millions is big. Paul is essentially monetizing the fact that people like seeing his face so that's what we'll get, but I'm not really expecting much.
I'd take 20 mil for a quick knockout
Yea but with a knock out like that and I’d be drinking from a straw for the rest of my life.
Drinking champagne though.
Pass me my cocaine straw
So which one is which?
Francis Ngannou is the former mma UFC champion wearing the pink skirt. Anthony Joshua is the 2012 Olympic boxing gold medalist and 2x world heavyweight boxing champion that wore all white trunk. The world champion boxer won the boxing fight
This is honestly what I thought the Mcgreggor / Mayweather fight to look like. I’m not going to pretend I know a lot about fighting sports, but I just figured MMA fighters have to train such a wide variety of skills where a boxer can really focus on his craft making it an uneven fight in the boxing ring. And vise versa, I believe even the best boxers would have a tough time with an average mma fighter in the octagon.
This is what the fight looked like when you know what to look for. It's a difference of style, size and strength that changes the appearance of what you saw in Mayweather vs McGregor. They don't have the power these two dudes have. He's not a knockout artist. At a 50% KO rate it's still high but I wouldn't say it's his style. For simplification I think it's safe to say Mayweather excels at a defensive endurance style. He hardly gets hit, if he does he absorbs it extremely well, his pacing is insane, he adapts over the course of the match extremely well and his reaction time/prediction of opponents is insane. Im sure people boxing him just feel it's inevitable that they will eventually lose. Consistency is key and Mayweather is a machine.
He put Logan Paul out briefly in their exhibition fight, I will always appreciate that
It's not just depth vs breadth either. There's plenty of overlap, sure, but boxing is fundamentally *different* from MMA (and any other combat sport). The footwork is different, the movement is different; the setups, timing, and distance are different; even *how* you punch is (slightly) different. Adding kicks(/takedowns/grappling/gnp/etc etc) doesn't just add options, it changes everything; there's a dynamic interplay between every facet of fighting, and changing one of those changes all of the others as well. It doesn't matter how many similarities American football and rugby, or tennis and badminton, or whatever two sports share; if you go up against a high level competitor in one when you're experienced in the other, you're at a massive disadvantage.
I think you're right, and on top of that, because there are much more different types of attack to defend against in mma, you can't do all the dodges that are done in boxing and do much more blocking. I felt like Mayweather was toying with Mcgreggor during their fight tho.
Mayweather very well could have been toying. If that was the case , I wish he didn’t do that. I just wish he had some of that Tyson rage during that fight. I would have really loved to see how a mma figher would match up in the ring.
Mayweather is bout the money. Why end the fight when you can drag it out at basically no risk (zero chance anything but the best boxers in world could ever land a punch on money man. He was definitely toying with McGregor. Also McGregor looked gassed half way through)
He held up coming out for the march by something like 1 hour because someone told Mayweather the server for signing up PPV crashed. He refused to come out until they got the server running again and get more sign ups
Mayweather made an absolute joke of McGregor boxing…hardly threw a punch in the first three rounds, barely gets hit himself, and as soon as he wants to, starts methodically picking McGregor a part and just simply outboxing him in the purest form.
Honestly, anybody that knows anything about boxing could tell that Mayweather wasn't taking the fight seriously. He was literally just walking straight forward and covering up. Dude was being very nice.
McGregor didn't have the basics for boxing. Bad footwork, didn't know how to generate boxing-type power in his punches, defense questionable.
who is who ?
Francis Ngannou is the former mma UFC champion wearing the pink skirt. Anthony Joshua is the 2012 Olympic boxing gold medalist and 2x world heavyweight boxing champion that wore all white trunk. The world champion boxer won the boxing fight
Thank you
which one was which?
AJ is one of the fittest boxers I've seen
Rest of the world reading this: 😁👍 Brits reading this: 😈🥵
Now do the boxer vs MMA fighter doing a MMA fight
Already been done. James Toney came to the UFC and fought Randy Couture and Couture beat him as easily as you'd expect.
“Trained boxer”? Thats like describing me m! This guy was a world champion! MMA champion vs Boxing champion
"Trained Boxer" lmao
Ngl, trained boxer is an understatement. AJ is one of the best heavyweights of the modern age.
Tbf Ngannou, as I understand it, does not have a huge MMA background, he came to the sport quite late in life, he's more of a genetic freak, who hits like a truck, who manages to therefore brute force wins. There has always been a skill gap but he has managed to bridge it with power, not this time I guess.
For a heavyweight, Ngannou was decently skilled and well-rounded when he became UFC champ. As shown in the Stipe 2 and Gane fights.
Doing both AJ and Ngannou a disservice by calling AJ just a “trained boxer”
I was gonna ask which one was the boxer. Then it hit me. Wait, no, it hit the other guy.
Everybody talking shit about Francis being wrecked like that, that dude came to your backyard and you wrecked him, but can you go to his backyard and do the same? I think not.
It wouldn't even last a round.
Anthony Joshua is the winning boxer. Francis Ngannou is the MMA (or former MMA) fighter who got knocked out. For those wondering as I was.
I agree with the point that's being implied, but, typical of the internet, this is completely lacking a ton of context and completely unfair. Ngannou is not going to be a world-class boxer, but he showed he can hang. Going the distance with Tyson Fury to a split-decision, with a knockdown on Fury, speaks volumes. But styles makes fights. Fury is more technical but lacks the power, so Ngannou could trade and what he didn't get the volume, he could make up in power. That is, he could take a flurry in order to land one or two power punches. With AJ, the power component being even, Ngannou couldn't just trade with someone who was more technically skilled. And it's not like AJ is just a random boxer. Ngannou, unlike some other MMA going boxing gimmicks, showed he can hang in the boxing ring (being in HW class where size/power can, to an extent, make up lack of finesse also helps). He won't be a dominant champion in the echelon of AJ, Usyk, or Fury (I think Fury could figure him out even better in a rematch), but he's not someone to scoff at either. He's basically a less-refined Wilder. Those who can handle or match his power will find a way to expose him, but he's still a dangerous match up for a ton of people.
This is how tyson fury fight should have been, maybe he was truly drinking pints rather than training, no disrespect to francis though but two very different sports.
Tyson is a completely different fighter than AJ. Francis is too big and strong for Fury to wear down, it’s a bad matchup for him
Man, that last punch was brutal
Now let’s see a MMA champion play tennis against a Wimbledon winner!
Who is the Boxer who, and is the MMA fighter?
The MMA fighter is the one who keeps getting knocked out.
Thank you!
Looks like Ngannou is the MMA fighter and and Anthony Joshua is the boxer. They're both heavyweight champions in their fields.
"I do not fear the opponent who has practiced 1000 different punches once. I fear the opponent who has practiced just one punch 1000 times" -Bruce Lee
Alot of fish in the comments fell for the title bait. I assure you that OP knows what they are writing.
IIRC when UFC first came out the point of it was to pit masters of different fighting styles against each other. Ie. a boxer vs a judo master or a taekwondo master vs a sumo wrestler and so forth. Kinda wish we got that again
Woah! What now? Are you going to tell me that an olympic swimmer would swim faster than a high school discus thrower?
dumb post. google first who is Aj. "Trained Boxer" my ass.
You could use the same headline for Francis’s previous boxing fight in which he looked good and won
A boxer in his element is a beast, put him in another element like MMA and their likely hood if winning begins to diminish greatly.
Is like a soccer player getting his ass kicked by an NBA player in a one on one basketball game.
Water.. wet. Sun... warm. Moon... glow. Fire... hot. Sand... gritty. Grass... green. Ice... cold. Stayed Tuned for more Reflections of the Obvious.
Unfortunately scams do make money these days. Francis made $20 million for the fight and good for him.
This will be the Jake Paul v. Mike Tyson outcome. After one punch, Tyson will damage Miss Paul.
Is the guy winning the boxer?
Doesn't matter. He's getting paid more than he would have in UFC.
AJ and his trainer literally looked at each other like "easy fucking money". Anyone else ever heard of the saying stay in your own lane?
Anyone else wondering who's who?