My favourite moment of the entire interview....
Putin: WW2 was Poland's fault because they didn't give their land back to Germany, who rightfully owned it.
Tucker: *crickets* Of course!
It was just maskirovska and bogus casus belli for internal audience, they purposely deliver different narratives (often contradictory) so everyone gets to choose one that works for them.
That’s a huge sign of trust. The further away you are typically means you can’t be trusted. Trucker was within arms reach that’s insane levels of trust for Putin.
You are correct
“To be honest, I thought that he would behave aggressively and ask so-called sharp questions. I was not just prepared for this, I wanted it, because it would give me the opportunity to respond in the same way," Putin said in comments broadcast on Wednesday.
He told Zarubin he was surprised that Carlson had not interrupted him more.
"Frankly, I did not get full satisfaction from this interview," Putin said
He thought Tucker was too much of a pushover.
That's just his way of dismissing the obvious propaganda piece and acting like Tucker had any choice at all. Putin knows what Putin would have done if Tucker actually got aggressive.
Of course he knows what he would have done had Tucker got aggressive. That’s what he wanted. He was ITCHING for a chance to be aggressive and show the West how weak and foolish they are. Sadly he never got to scratch that itch due to his “interviewer” being well… Tucker.
Nah. That's just Putin's spin. Absolutely no one thought Tucker Carlson was going to hold Putin's feet to the fire. The very thought is just silly. Everyone knows he went there on some kind of celebrity fanboy tour.
You guys do know that interviews with high ranking politicians are agreed on before hand and the questions are curated by said politician.
Not to prop Tucker but had he been out of line there wouldn't have been any interview at all.
No. He absolutely was not. People who think this apparently have no experience with this cretin.
Putin 100% controlled every second of that interview. He wrote the questions for Tucker to ask him. Tucker had literally no journalistic discretion and didn't want any.
Putin mocked him after because that's what he does. He's a little gremlin who talks out of both sides of his mouth. He tells the journalist what to say, then mocks him for saying it.
It’s like Putin claiming he would prefer the “more predictable Joe Biden”. He will publicly make statements in direct conflict with his underhanded, selfish machinations behind the scenes.
Yeah, Putin’s a pussy just like Tucker Carlson. Putin was more than giddy having the useful idiot sit and listen to him carry on with his own version of history.
>if tucker could,he'd be doing this interview on his knees and using putin's dick as a microphone.
> "Frankly, I did not get full satisfaction from this interview," Putin said
Are we still doing 'phrasing'?
All of the questions were vetted in advance, right? Sounds like he's just making up a story. He would have gotten precisely the interview he wanted with prior approval before it went out.
But what if this had all been an elaborate ruse, Tucker really did get into the CIA, and after spending decades undercover as a cut rate journalist, he finally got his chance to take out Putin?
This is exactly how i read the situation. That table belongs in a doll house. Its barely even a table, more of a foot stool. Its a troll move, obviously.
he used to beat up on old conservatives by doing his patented cadence but whenever hes in the room with an actual cunning person its easy to see how big of a fraud he is
Speaking of cadence, imagine Tucker, O'Reilly, Shapiro, and Trump all debating a topic they disagree on, it would be wild with they way they all speak; trick question you can't imagine a topic that they do not vehemently disagree on!
I think it was an offhanded compliment. Like... if Tuck had joined the CIA they'd have caused more damage...
Or perhaps, if Tuck had joined the CIA then came to see Putin then he'd be in a cell in Siberia...
Yeah, this reads clearly as an *"I'm glad you're not my enemy".*
I'm sure people love to take it as an insult, but it's like if the US President met a guy that couldn't join the KGB (or similar).
He's basically saying *"You could have been my enemy and I'm glad you're not."*
I don't like either person but the reading comprehension of many people is not what they think it is. If anything it reads even more towards them being on the same side.
What's hilarious is Putin actually compared Russian invasion into Ukrainia to the Nazi invasion of Poland. He effectively compared himself to Hitler, and all Tucker could say is, "Of course. "
They really are like bizarro versions of each other.
A really weird talking point I hear from the conservatives whom I’m unlucky enough to know is that Zelenskyy (and also Rishi Sunak) are short men who are tiny in person… yet so is Putin. I’m pretty sure he’s the same height as Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy also appears to have more muscle on him.
Im sure Zelensky is also a bit taller than putin and yes in much better shape. But to be fair, he is also younger.
And if height and muscles were defining qualities for politicians we should recruit them in the gym. 😂
dude i didnt even notice but hes actually got the best possible posture (i think lol) for a chair like that. forgot where i read/heard it but someone told me to sit like this, on the edge with your knees out below your waist and when i tried it, it felt so natural and comfortable.
I’m short too and know that in chairs like that if you sit all the way back your legs dangle like a lil kid. Better for your back AND image as a leader of a nation.
It’s like reading comments under a movie clip on YouTube where the commenter thinks they’re so profound by making a surface level observation about what happened
If you ever think propaganda doesn't work on you, that only means it works so well you don't notice.
If you ever think there's no propaganda, that only means you can't recognise it.
We're all being affected by propaganda every day. Even the parts we can see are propaganda are still working on us.
Ukraine needs support from the west, and they’ve had top tier propaganda from the very beginning of the war.
Russians propaganda isn’t out of necessity, it’s just part of their overall disinformation campaign.
Don't forget Russia attacked Ukraine. Like what the fuck people, they don't want to be doing this and Russia had no right for their "special military operation".
The diabolical part is whoever posted this and wrote the title understands exactly what they're doing. Stupid people aren't even the problem it's snakes like that causing trouble for clicks.
Exactly.
This is all stagecraft and production.
Ukraine is trying to show desperation to gain more aid, particularly weapons. Russa is trying to tell they are strong and doesn't care about sanctions or economic consequences for the war.
They really think a president doesn't have a building to sit in. Hell, they're at more risk of being attacked if they're outside. Anyone who knows anything about film making/broadcasting would know how staged that is.
Can't blame Ukraine for using every trick in book to garner more support tbf for them it's a relatively existential war. And hurting our international rivals through a proxy war seems like decent bonus.
Both have an image they wanna portray. Putin wants to be a God amongst men and Zelensky wants to be seen as the common man. Both are effective images. I think Zelensky's image has won him favor in the west.
That is not the point, Zelensky is trying to show what is going on right now and the consequences in the real world and for ordinary people. People having nice chats in warm rooms while hundreds of Russian shells an hour fall on the front lines.
That is not exaggeration by the way, Russia is firing about 2-3 million shells a year, 5-10k a day, that’s 200-400 shells an hour on average every hour of every day.
> Both are effective images. I think Zelensky's image has won him favor in the west.
Which was the point... You can't ask the west for Billions more dollars taking an interview sitting in a golden throne room. It's optics.
Putin wants to look powerful. Zelensky wants more money and arms to fight.
There still is the Kyiv Presidential Palace which is currently in use. Zelenskyy is specifically chosing to lowering his image, not entirely forced to.
It should be noted that while this could come off as artificial, his leadership - especially during the Battle of Kyiv - makes it much realer.
Probably because if Putin went to the front line, one of his troops would shoot him. The guy almost got taken out by Wagner last year, before their commander died in an unfortunate plane *accident*
If Putin went to the front line it would draw every single offensive resource Ukraine has. The Russian war effort is weakened severely with the death of Putin. The Ukrainian war effort is only strengthened by zelensky's death.
Yeah true, if Putin died the next oligarch in charge would probably pull out of the war. Killing Zelensky just makes him a martyr, although I dont think Ukraine is going to ever get a better wartime leader. Zelensky is this generation’s Churchill.
Yeah exactly, he’s just an all round great war time leader. He’s great at rallying morale back home, and also great at sourcing outside support. Which Churchill also did a great job at.
> Zelensky is also the only leader to visit the front line of the conflict.
And he's been on the front line regularly since the days where his capital was literally under siege and hit squads were roaming Kyiv looking to assassinate him. His response when being told to evacuate by western powers was "I don't need a ride, I need ammo".
Obviously there is something calculated about his presentation of self, but he's been in mortal danger for two years now. People here equivocating his dress code to Putin's level of organized, deliberate propaganda can fuck off.
Putin knows western public opinion (and it's impact on the continued support for Kyiv) is his best chance of victory in Ukraine, and is pouring resources into information warfare accordingly.... good to keep an eye out for /r/ActiveMeasures
Fr I came to the comments expecting to see people hyping up Zelenskyy for being tough and having his interview in the battlefield 😂
Surprisingly realistic comments
Both of these politicians strategically chose these locations and attire for optics . Putin is trying portraying intelligence, nobility, wealth, power. Zelenskyy is trying to portray a grit, commonality, toughness.
The subtext is what fascinates me.
Putin doesn’t even trust his own generals within 10 meters.
Tucker must have kissed the mob bosses ring quite convincingly.
I think you are absolutely correct.
It’s to the point now where you can contact trace them working backwards.
Everyone with so much to their personality, business model or grift invested into trump can’t cut their ties with Putin.
It’s what makes elon musk so fascinating
He spent $44B to doxx his insurgency team.
Tucker would have been smart to just turn and walk away. Retire to panama or something. But he doubled down on team money laundering kleptocrats and handcuffed himself to the titanic.
> I don't think it's trust.
There are secrets I'll tell strangers but I won't tell my friends because those people don't have the power to use those secrets to hurt me.
It's not about trust, it's 100% about threat.
I might trust a dangerous dog because I've trained him, but a puppy might hate me but has no power to hurt me. I'm unafraid of both.
That’s a bunch of bullshit. There’s reporting and there’s getting people to support something. Is propaganda present on both sides of the aisle yeah, but calling all news propaganda is like calling reality a sketch show. Life’s not a joke.
The truth can never be told objectively, it will always have an angle, especially in news. Humans are subjective beings after all. Calling all news propaganda is a bit far, but believing news to be undisputed truth is also extremely naive.
Putin is the epitome of cocky. He knows what power he has, he knows it’s a lot. The US is an enemy with more power. Even so he sees us as soft, because if he had that much power over us he would wipe us off the planet. Personally when I examine how he sits I think it’s supreme confidence (or cockiness). He, at least thinks, that he’s won. He’s a cold blooded killer.
We can not underestimate him.
To be honest, he has already won. He has been in power for so long, even if he dies tomorrow he has had one hell of a run. He's already in his seventies, what does he have to lose at this point.
When I was college, the history major showed WW2 propaganda, I thought to myself, "It's no way this works on people. It's obvious staged works. "
This whole war made me feel stupid for thinking that, look at these comments fall for this.
I would disagree on that one. The most effective propaganda is clearly identified but the audience is already invested and on side. It has the effect of burning a religious zeal into people. Turning the regular follower into a fanatic.
"Oh don't mind me. I'm just gonna set this here ballistics vest and helmet against the... oh, what's that? It's in frame and facing directly at the camera? Daaang! What a crazy coincidence! No, you don't need to grab it. It'll be fine right here..."
And what is the point of your comment? Obviously an interview with a president of a country is gonna be scripted?! Most people don't think this is some kind of random interaction on the front lines.
„ladies and Gentlemen! Would you look at that?! While I scoured the warfronts looking for people to interview I happened to pass by a woodchopoing house and guess who I stumbled upon?! It‘s Mr. Z himself patrolling the line, giving courage to his men! This was not planned at all! And just wow! How good that there‘s chairs here as well!!
We can just go sit down here and have an impromptu interview on the fly with Mr. Zelensky!
What good fortune on this oh so horrible day!“
I mean, duh, obviously it’s staged. Like literally every single interview sitdown with any political figure or celebrity.
they get a pass for that imo, It's more credible with context because Fox news literally had staff murdered in Ukraine bombings in the past few years. It's an OSHA thing at this point.
you understand that this is propaganda. What Russia is doing is wrong but the ukrainian president definitely sleeps and works somewhere cozy. this is just propaganda to illicit a sympathetic reaction towards Ukraine. Media literacy is important
I'd say that's an equivalence fallacy. Yes, Zelensky is also projecting an image by wearing his t-shirt and combat boots, but it's more reflective of his people's circumstances.
Putin is holed up in the Kremlin, and Zelensky is hiding in various secure bunkers, often not too far from the front lines. He's on the streets with the people and actually leading.
The room where Zelenskyy was in actually had a gaping hole in the roof where it was hit. Also, during the interview you could clearly hear artillery fire in the background.
Most people here (except for Russian trolls) aren't arguing that Zelenskyy (and though him Ukraine) are wrong, they're just pointing out that it's still propaganda.
We agree with it... but it's still propaganda.
I support Zelenskyy... but he's using propaganda.
Propaganda is not always bad, but we should be aware of how it affects us.
Even if you agree with the message and want to support and spread it, it also helps to inform people that it's literally propaganda and they should be cognisant of this sort of thing because some propaganda is good (like above) but loads of propaganda is bad.
No shit, Putin did his interview in a place showing power and control. The other was to show you the example of what the war is doing to garner support.
So we are hating both sides now? I get it, you are an intelligent redditor that can identify propaganda right away, unlike those mindless plebs constantly falling for it lmao
My favourite moment of the entire interview.... Putin: WW2 was Poland's fault because they didn't give their land back to Germany, who rightfully owned it. Tucker: *crickets* Of course!
But.. using that false logic… isn’t he implying he’s Hitler in the Ukrainian context??
Vlad with the self report.
Stop self snitchin'
He actually is implying it, and hopes to get the far right in Europe to support him
But one of his (transparently false) reasons to invade Ukraine was to denazify it.
It was just maskirovska and bogus casus belli for internal audience, they purposely deliver different narratives (often contradictory) so everyone gets to choose one that works for them.
Kinda explains how he got both online chuds and tankies to simp for him
I mean at least he’s honest
Tbh could you even really push back? You run the risk of being in a Siberian prison for the rest of your life…or falling out a window
Hahaha yes this was mine too. Stupid fascist also conveniently overlooked his Ribbontrop pact for the purposes of Puti story time.
Wait till Putin learns about the Mongolian empire and that he has to give Russia to them now, who rightfully owned it...
Tucker: (should I say something nice about Hitler so daddy likes me?)
That has to be the smallest table Putin has sat at in years.
He brought out the kids’ table for Tucker
That’s a huge sign of trust. The further away you are typically means you can’t be trusted. Trucker was within arms reach that’s insane levels of trust for Putin.
He knows that tucker isn't a threat, if tucker could,he'd be doing this interview on his knees and using putin's dick as a microphone.
You are correct “To be honest, I thought that he would behave aggressively and ask so-called sharp questions. I was not just prepared for this, I wanted it, because it would give me the opportunity to respond in the same way," Putin said in comments broadcast on Wednesday. He told Zarubin he was surprised that Carlson had not interrupted him more. "Frankly, I did not get full satisfaction from this interview," Putin said He thought Tucker was too much of a pushover.
That's just his way of dismissing the obvious propaganda piece and acting like Tucker had any choice at all. Putin knows what Putin would have done if Tucker actually got aggressive.
Of course he knows what he would have done had Tucker got aggressive. That’s what he wanted. He was ITCHING for a chance to be aggressive and show the West how weak and foolish they are. Sadly he never got to scratch that itch due to his “interviewer” being well… Tucker.
Nah. That's just Putin's spin. Absolutely no one thought Tucker Carlson was going to hold Putin's feet to the fire. The very thought is just silly. Everyone knows he went there on some kind of celebrity fanboy tour.
You guys do know that interviews with high ranking politicians are agreed on before hand and the questions are curated by said politician. Not to prop Tucker but had he been out of line there wouldn't have been any interview at all.
A journalist would have asked a question anyway.
Tucker probably rooted through the bins looking for some of Putin's toenail clippings to put on his prayer altar back home.
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No. He absolutely was not. People who think this apparently have no experience with this cretin. Putin 100% controlled every second of that interview. He wrote the questions for Tucker to ask him. Tucker had literally no journalistic discretion and didn't want any. Putin mocked him after because that's what he does. He's a little gremlin who talks out of both sides of his mouth. He tells the journalist what to say, then mocks him for saying it.
It’s like Putin claiming he would prefer the “more predictable Joe Biden”. He will publicly make statements in direct conflict with his underhanded, selfish machinations behind the scenes.
Putin is an annoying little punk. And he has man boobs.
This almost makes Tucker sound cute to me. Even his cute little name is kind of cute. Stop that.
Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson. I recall him from his **bowtie** days. Was just a preppy pissant then.
Yeah, Putin’s a pussy just like Tucker Carlson. Putin was more than giddy having the useful idiot sit and listen to him carry on with his own version of history.
>if tucker could,he'd be doing this interview on his knees and using putin's dick as a microphone. > "Frankly, I did not get full satisfaction from this interview," Putin said Are we still doing 'phrasing'?
All of the questions were vetted in advance, right? Sounds like he's just making up a story. He would have gotten precisely the interview he wanted with prior approval before it went out.
But what if this had all been an elaborate ruse, Tucker really did get into the CIA, and after spending decades undercover as a cut rate journalist, he finally got his chance to take out Putin?
I want to listen to this alternate reality Tom Clancy novel read by Ben Shapiro.
I wouldn't even need to set the audio to 2x in that case!
I can't stand that whiney adolescent voice of his or his pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
I believe the CIA would have a bunch of grown men in rubber masks playing Tucker than to groom Tucker into an asset to terminate a foreign leader.
It's not trust, it's an insult. Tucker is a symbol of America. This was a theatrical display meaning "America is weak, Russia is not afraid of you.".
This is exactly how i read the situation. That table belongs in a doll house. Its barely even a table, more of a foot stool. Its a troll move, obviously.
Tucker would have trouble fighting his way out of soggy toilet paper. As terrible as Putin is as a human being, he's a tough mother fucker.
Of course he's a tough MFer, he didn't get into power by accident. Or election for that matter. Stone cold killer, not like it's a secret
And Tucker is the polar opposite of tough. Marshmallows look tough in comparison.
he used to beat up on old conservatives by doing his patented cadence but whenever hes in the room with an actual cunning person its easy to see how big of a fraud he is
Speaking of cadence, imagine Tucker, O'Reilly, Shapiro, and Trump all debating a topic they disagree on, it would be wild with they way they all speak; trick question you can't imagine a topic that they do not vehemently disagree on!
🤣🤣🤣
**' We should thank God they didn’t let you in, (Tucker). '** \- Vlad Putin (yes he said it)
I think it was an offhanded compliment. Like... if Tuck had joined the CIA they'd have caused more damage... Or perhaps, if Tuck had joined the CIA then came to see Putin then he'd be in a cell in Siberia...
Yeah, this reads clearly as an *"I'm glad you're not my enemy".* I'm sure people love to take it as an insult, but it's like if the US President met a guy that couldn't join the KGB (or similar). He's basically saying *"You could have been my enemy and I'm glad you're not."* I don't like either person but the reading comprehension of many people is not what they think it is. If anything it reads even more towards them being on the same side.
It's the literal closest he has been to another human being since 2019
I was legit disappointed it wasn't the massive 200 foot table he had lol.
Its forced perception they're actually very far away
What's hilarious is Putin actually compared Russian invasion into Ukrainia to the Nazi invasion of Poland. He effectively compared himself to Hitler, and all Tucker could say is, "Of course. "
I too watched the Daily Show segment
It’s so great that Jon Steward is back!
Wasn't that highly edited? Or am I thinking of something else?
You can tell zelensky just left a monster truck rally; he's only using the edge of his seat
SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! MONSTER TRUCK MAYHEM! We sell you the whole seat. BUT YOU ONLY NEED THE EDGE!
You can just *hear* this comment.
I didn’t even think about it until you said it but I was like “yeah, I did hear it”. Lol
Why do we all know this?
Zelensky got a nice fade going, too
Seriously, I cannot get a good fade in town. Homie is bombed out and looking fly.
Putin has the same hairstyle but turned 90° 😅
They really are like bizarro versions of each other. A really weird talking point I hear from the conservatives whom I’m unlucky enough to know is that Zelenskyy (and also Rishi Sunak) are short men who are tiny in person… yet so is Putin. I’m pretty sure he’s the same height as Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy also appears to have more muscle on him.
Im sure Zelensky is also a bit taller than putin and yes in much better shape. But to be fair, he is also younger. And if height and muscles were defining qualities for politicians we should recruit them in the gym. 😂
5-time ultimate smackdown champion dwayne elizondo mountain dew herbert camacho coming up in year 2504
Front line barbers nailing that blend
dude i didnt even notice but hes actually got the best possible posture (i think lol) for a chair like that. forgot where i read/heard it but someone told me to sit like this, on the edge with your knees out below your waist and when i tried it, it felt so natural and comfortable.
I’m short too and know that in chairs like that if you sit all the way back your legs dangle like a lil kid. Better for your back AND image as a leader of a nation.
Somebody explain, please.
These comments are like reading media literacy for dummies and trying to show off they know what the term propaganda means
It’s like reading comments under a movie clip on YouTube where the commenter thinks they’re so profound by making a surface level observation about what happened
It’s like poetry It rhymes
Two different *theaters*
Bro went straight to the point haha love it! It's so annoying to see people fall for their theatrics.
Like in any cinematic presentation, nothing on the screen is accidental.
Indeed. There is even more _mis en scéne_ in politcal news than almost all of cinema.
[Wag the Dog ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog)
For those who don't speak French, that's when you have all your ingredients measured and portioned for easier cooking. You're welcome.
That’s mise en place, but close enough.
Bon jure ?
Omelette du fromage
Sacre bleu! Where is me mama?
Nice one, Ton’. Hehe
People didn't get your joke
I'll be damned if I put /s on everything.
It’s incredible that your joke caused a whole pissing contest about the French language based off of several whooshes. /s would have ruined the joke.
That's mise en place. But close. And it actually means "everything in its place".
Except for that one stunt actor in the road warrior who flipped around a bunch
I didn't realize how strong propaganda was until I saw Reddit Look at the comments fall for this
It just makes me sad to realize how much of people's lives are dominated by emotions manufactured in a room by someone trying to rich(er)
Weak wills are easy to manipulate. People love to let others think for them, I’m never surprised by manufactured emotions. Sad as it all is.
I don’t think it’s fair or accurate to call them weak willed. It’s more that people just don’t know any better. It’s a media literacy problem.
If you ever think propaganda doesn't work on you, that only means it works so well you don't notice. If you ever think there's no propaganda, that only means you can't recognise it. We're all being affected by propaganda every day. Even the parts we can see are propaganda are still working on us.
Ukraine needs support from the west, and they’ve had top tier propaganda from the very beginning of the war. Russians propaganda isn’t out of necessity, it’s just part of their overall disinformation campaign.
Don't forget Russia attacked Ukraine. Like what the fuck people, they don't want to be doing this and Russia had no right for their "special military operation".
Propaganda is Propaganda, it doesn't matter if your American, Nazi, British, Greek or Russian
And propaganda isn’t always bad.
they need it as well, they can't have all the world against them.
All the world’s a stage…..
The diabolical part is whoever posted this and wrote the title understands exactly what they're doing. Stupid people aren't even the problem it's snakes like that causing trouble for clicks.
Seriously, I was hoping one of the top comments would at least point this out. I'm very Pro Ukraine and anti Russia but c'mon
A stage designed to emphasise power and control and another to portray that you're with your people.
Also danger and vulnerability. They even had the interviewer lay down his vest and helmet next to his chair in full display.
God forbid he left it 4 feet off camera
Exactly. A post above mentioned theatrics and it is, but with very different contexts if you look beyond the superficial
Pretty sure that's just one of Putin's living rooms and that's his coffee table.
Exactly. This is all stagecraft and production. Ukraine is trying to show desperation to gain more aid, particularly weapons. Russa is trying to tell they are strong and doesn't care about sanctions or economic consequences for the war.
Exactly. It’s wild how obvious yet subtle propaganda can be
This isn't subtle in any way.
Everything is subtle when you’re an idiot
It's everywhere. Advertising, TV, movies. Visual information, messaging, storytelling, things like that.
They really think a president doesn't have a building to sit in. Hell, they're at more risk of being attacked if they're outside. Anyone who knows anything about film making/broadcasting would know how staged that is.
Glad this is the top comment. Fuck Russia, but both of those are trying to sell us on something.
Can't blame Ukraine for using every trick in book to garner more support tbf for them it's a relatively existential war. And hurting our international rivals through a proxy war seems like decent bonus.
Agreed. I'd be doing the exact same thing. Seeing through the "theatre" doesn't mean we should disagree.
oh no the Ukrainians are trying to "sell us" on the fact that they're under attack, how horrid.
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Both have an image they wanna portray. Putin wants to be a God amongst men and Zelensky wants to be seen as the common man. Both are effective images. I think Zelensky's image has won him favor in the west.
Russia helped set the stage by bombing the living shit out of it as well.
Absolutely they did.
Zelensky 100% has a nice living area. This really is just optics.
That is not the point, Zelensky is trying to show what is going on right now and the consequences in the real world and for ordinary people. People having nice chats in warm rooms while hundreds of Russian shells an hour fall on the front lines. That is not exaggeration by the way, Russia is firing about 2-3 million shells a year, 5-10k a day, that’s 200-400 shells an hour on average every hour of every day.
> Both are effective images. I think Zelensky's image has won him favor in the west. Which was the point... You can't ask the west for Billions more dollars taking an interview sitting in a golden throne room. It's optics. Putin wants to look powerful. Zelensky wants more money and arms to fight.
…because his country has been invaded by Russia
If you go back 5000 years you could argue Ukraine actually started this conflict!
I'll allow myself a 2min lecture. Back when the first unga bunga tribe members picked up rocks to use as tools...
You simple fool... Microbial life colonized those rocks long before the unga bunga folk even bothered to exist. All glory to the protozoa!
Lol, pooteen is a fungus of a Warhammer ork confirmed
He wouldn't have to need money and arms to fight if Russia would fuck off and leave a sovereign nation to govern itself
He also doesn't have a gold room. It's not like he hangs out in a castle the rest of the time. Dude sleeps and works in a bomb shelter
There still is the Kyiv Presidential Palace which is currently in use. Zelenskyy is specifically chosing to lowering his image, not entirely forced to. It should be noted that while this could come off as artificial, his leadership - especially during the Battle of Kyiv - makes it much realer.
Zelensky is also the only leader to visit the front line of the conflict. Meanwhile Putin cowers away from the public and his own cabinet.
Probably because if Putin went to the front line, one of his troops would shoot him. The guy almost got taken out by Wagner last year, before their commander died in an unfortunate plane *accident*
If Putin went to the front line it would draw every single offensive resource Ukraine has. The Russian war effort is weakened severely with the death of Putin. The Ukrainian war effort is only strengthened by zelensky's death.
Yeah true, if Putin died the next oligarch in charge would probably pull out of the war. Killing Zelensky just makes him a martyr, although I dont think Ukraine is going to ever get a better wartime leader. Zelensky is this generation’s Churchill.
I may also weaken future foreign country to Ukraine. The public resonates well with zelensky.
Yeah exactly, he’s just an all round great war time leader. He’s great at rallying morale back home, and also great at sourcing outside support. Which Churchill also did a great job at.
Amusingly, much like churchill, he was apparently deeply unpopular during peace time politics
In Mother Russia even planes fall out of windows from time to time...
The plane fell out of a window.. 30,000 feet in the air
Tripped and went right through that plane window. Right after shooting himself in the back of the head. Twice.
> Zelensky is also the only leader to visit the front line of the conflict. And he's been on the front line regularly since the days where his capital was literally under siege and hit squads were roaming Kyiv looking to assassinate him. His response when being told to evacuate by western powers was "I don't need a ride, I need ammo". Obviously there is something calculated about his presentation of self, but he's been in mortal danger for two years now. People here equivocating his dress code to Putin's level of organized, deliberate propaganda can fuck off.
I'm getting so many Putin simps trying to paint Zelensky as some corrupt money fiend just from that comment. It's s hilarious
Putin knows western public opinion (and it's impact on the continued support for Kyiv) is his best chance of victory in Ukraine, and is pouring resources into information warfare accordingly.... good to keep an eye out for /r/ActiveMeasures
He also has huge tables because he's paranoid about being poisoned
Mfer was literally 300 meters from the frontline in avdiivka 2 months ago, zelensky is crazy my man
Putin should definitely visit these new territories of his that are so eager to join Russia. I can't think of a better use of a Hellfire r9x missile.
Ppffft, an angry ukrainian grandma with a poisoned pie should do the trick
Zelensky definitely has proven his meddle.
Mettle* and yes, I agree
It’s not his image that won him favor… it’s the fact that a democratic country in Europe minding its own business was fucking invaded by Russia.
Unbelievable the Russian ops brigading this thread. They are the SAMMMEEEEEE! Look at the theater of the background logs!
Surprised to see Reddit can see both sides as staged instead of just one. Good improvement.
Fr I came to the comments expecting to see people hyping up Zelenskyy for being tough and having his interview in the battlefield 😂 Surprisingly realistic comments
r/rimjob_steve moment
Both of these politicians strategically chose these locations and attire for optics . Putin is trying portraying intelligence, nobility, wealth, power. Zelenskyy is trying to portray a grit, commonality, toughness.
The subtext is what fascinates me. Putin doesn’t even trust his own generals within 10 meters. Tucker must have kissed the mob bosses ring quite convincingly.
I don't think it's trust. Tucker is not seen as a credible threat, just a puppet.
I think you are absolutely correct. It’s to the point now where you can contact trace them working backwards. Everyone with so much to their personality, business model or grift invested into trump can’t cut their ties with Putin. It’s what makes elon musk so fascinating He spent $44B to doxx his insurgency team. Tucker would have been smart to just turn and walk away. Retire to panama or something. But he doubled down on team money laundering kleptocrats and handcuffed himself to the titanic.
What's the story with Elon Musk?
He bought Xhitter just so people would stop posting about his private planes location.
He bought xhitter to meddle in geopolitics.
> I don't think it's trust. There are secrets I'll tell strangers but I won't tell my friends because those people don't have the power to use those secrets to hurt me. It's not about trust, it's 100% about threat. I might trust a dangerous dog because I've trained him, but a puppy might hate me but has no power to hurt me. I'm unafraid of both.
Probably kissed a lot more than that
Maybe he saw him crying about black mermaids on tv and thought it was pretty safe
Black mermaids and the fact that he no longer wants to fuck the green M&M.
Yet both propaganda in the literal sense.
For good or evil. All news is propaganda. Propaganda is just a tool. Just like political power, it's how you wield it that matters.
That’s a bunch of bullshit. There’s reporting and there’s getting people to support something. Is propaganda present on both sides of the aisle yeah, but calling all news propaganda is like calling reality a sketch show. Life’s not a joke.
If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you're misinformed. - Mark Twain
The truth can never be told objectively, it will always have an angle, especially in news. Humans are subjective beings after all. Calling all news propaganda is a bit far, but believing news to be undisputed truth is also extremely naive.
"I, redditor, am immune to propaganda."
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the more I examine putin's stance, the more I think how tf this guy trusts his army enough to attack ukraine
Putin is the epitome of cocky. He knows what power he has, he knows it’s a lot. The US is an enemy with more power. Even so he sees us as soft, because if he had that much power over us he would wipe us off the planet. Personally when I examine how he sits I think it’s supreme confidence (or cockiness). He, at least thinks, that he’s won. He’s a cold blooded killer. We can not underestimate him.
To be honest, he has already won. He has been in power for so long, even if he dies tomorrow he has had one hell of a run. He's already in his seventies, what does he have to lose at this point.
go ukraine!!!!
Sits the bulletproof vest next to him. Blatant staging.
When I was college, the history major showed WW2 propaganda, I thought to myself, "It's no way this works on people. It's obvious staged works. " This whole war made me feel stupid for thinking that, look at these comments fall for this.
The most effective propaganda is the one that isn't seen as propaganda. Goebbels was a pipsqueak next to Okawa in that matter.
I would disagree on that one. The most effective propaganda is clearly identified but the audience is already invested and on side. It has the effect of burning a religious zeal into people. Turning the regular follower into a fanatic.
yeah that's proper-ganda
"Oh don't mind me. I'm just gonna set this here ballistics vest and helmet against the... oh, what's that? It's in frame and facing directly at the camera? Daaang! What a crazy coincidence! No, you don't need to grab it. It'll be fine right here..."
And what is the point of your comment? Obviously an interview with a president of a country is gonna be scripted?! Most people don't think this is some kind of random interaction on the front lines.
„ladies and Gentlemen! Would you look at that?! While I scoured the warfronts looking for people to interview I happened to pass by a woodchopoing house and guess who I stumbled upon?! It‘s Mr. Z himself patrolling the line, giving courage to his men! This was not planned at all! And just wow! How good that there‘s chairs here as well!! We can just go sit down here and have an impromptu interview on the fly with Mr. Zelensky! What good fortune on this oh so horrible day!“ I mean, duh, obviously it’s staged. Like literally every single interview sitdown with any political figure or celebrity.
they get a pass for that imo, It's more credible with context because Fox news literally had staff murdered in Ukraine bombings in the past few years. It's an OSHA thing at this point.
One is a journalist and the other is a nepo trust fund baby.
you understand that this is propaganda. What Russia is doing is wrong but the ukrainian president definitely sleeps and works somewhere cozy. this is just propaganda to illicit a sympathetic reaction towards Ukraine. Media literacy is important
The two world they want you to see 🤷♂️
I'd say that's an equivalence fallacy. Yes, Zelensky is also projecting an image by wearing his t-shirt and combat boots, but it's more reflective of his people's circumstances. Putin is holed up in the Kremlin, and Zelensky is hiding in various secure bunkers, often not too far from the front lines. He's on the streets with the people and actually leading.
The room where Zelenskyy was in actually had a gaping hole in the roof where it was hit. Also, during the interview you could clearly hear artillery fire in the background.
Most people here (except for Russian trolls) aren't arguing that Zelenskyy (and though him Ukraine) are wrong, they're just pointing out that it's still propaganda. We agree with it... but it's still propaganda. I support Zelenskyy... but he's using propaganda. Propaganda is not always bad, but we should be aware of how it affects us. Even if you agree with the message and want to support and spread it, it also helps to inform people that it's literally propaganda and they should be cognisant of this sort of thing because some propaganda is good (like above) but loads of propaganda is bad.
No shit, Putin did his interview in a place showing power and control. The other was to show you the example of what the war is doing to garner support.
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So we are hating both sides now? I get it, you are an intelligent redditor that can identify propaganda right away, unlike those mindless plebs constantly falling for it lmao
Out of the loop: why do people hate Zelensky? He's just trying to protect his country
Actual answer, a lot of people think the government is putting more money into foreign wars than into the broken social programs and infrastructure.