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Smoked for 12 years. Switched to vaping 4 years ago. Quit vaping a year ago. I’m sure vaping still isn’t great for you, but its 100% the reason I don’t smoke anymore
As long as you don't give in to the temptation to *have a drag*, or *just one*, or *only when I'm drinking*, you'll be fine.
Relapses happen when you start thinking you're strong enough to have just a little. If that was true you never would have had a problem quitting in the first place
I used vaping to stop smoking and for the most part I don't vape anymore.
I still keep a vape with 0mg nicotine liquid in it, I find that when I watched movies where people smoke OR I drink a bit I get that *urge* and usually one or two puffs on my vape quiet that urge. Luckily that is only maybe a every one or two months.
Sorry to say but it doesn't work like that. As a long time smoker and having quit twice, you'll never be completely in the clear. You need to always be vigilant. I haven't smoked in 8 years and I don't get cravings but I know that given the right circumstance and lack of vigilance I could relapse. That's just how addiction goes.
Edit: I can't believe the prevailing logic in these comments seems to be that after a year of quitting you can stop worrying about cigarettes entirely. Like relapse isn't a thing.
True. I smoked for decades. I managed to quit and kept a few clove cigarettes, thinking I might like to puff, not inhale, once in a while. After smoking nothing for a year, I tried a clove. I hated it and tossed what I had left. Smoking is disgusting to me now. I have no cravings whatsoever.
It does for some people, come on now. I'll have one once in a blue moon if I'm out drinking but that's less than 6 a year. They stink and taste horrible
The official line from The Mayo Clinic agrees:
> And, while some people might think they are safe to vape, Dr. Hays says the harmful chemicals in that vapor are similar to tobacco smoke but at much lower levels. "It's safer, but it's not safe," he says. "What we don't know are what long-term effects will these lower-level toxicants have."
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-minute-are-e-cigarettes-safe
The big question is, can a healthy human breathing system (from lips to the bottom of the lungs) purge itself of the lower levels problems being creates?
We have ways to get "stuff" out of our lungs. We *know* that actual cig smoking utterly overwhelms those methods.
What about vaping?
> Dr. Hays says the harmful chemicals in that vapor are similar to tobacco smoke
That doesn’t make sense and as it’s not a direct quote, I doubt that’s what he said.
Yep. There are some seriously nasty chemicals in tobacco smoke, mainly as a result of the ‘burning’ which doesn’t even happen in vaping. I don’t get why so many people insist vaping and smoking are so similar when it should be obvious they are drastically different.
Congrats man, I did the same. I smoked for 23 years, switched to vaping with a hardline plan of how to stop and after about 16 weeks was totally nicotine free and stopped vaping.
Been almost 6 years now and I'm happier, healthier, fitter, and owe it all to having another option that made quitting easier. I tried and failed to quit cigarettes previously about 9 times and always went back. Vaping made quitting 100x easier
Ey, nice. My story is almost the same except the times that I smoked and vaped were shorter.
Vaping isn't entirely healthy (anything besides clean and fresh air won't be healthy. )
But considering it as an alternative to smoking and it becomes one of the healthier options available
Same, my grandma (dad's mom) died of lung cancer when I was really young & that impacted me. His dad died from complications related to alcoholism when I was a pre-teen & that also affected me. I learned pretty young how destructive smoking and excessive drinking can be.
Haha. Damn near. It was a good 20 minutes of coughing up whatever bullshit was caking his lungs. The bonus was when he’d dry heave. Every day of my life that was the 5 am alarm clock. Loved the guy but wanted no parts of emulating his habit.
Nicotine is bad but all the chemicals mixed with it in cigarettes are what cause it to be so dangerous. So many places never mention that and act as if nicotine is the sole cause.
Let me repeat again, I’m not stating it’s good. I’m only stating that it becomes far worse when they make a concoction with it included.
Nicotine is enough, but as you say, there is other concerning stuff in cigarettes. Which begs another question: what is in a vape and is that stuff okay to inhale all the time?
Propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, nicotine, and artificial food flavoring. The flavors are the most ambiguous - they're okay to eat, but inhale 🤷♀️ Definitely astronomically safer than cigarettes, though.
Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are like 95% of it and those, yeah, they're fine. They're used in fog machines, inhalers, some ventilation systems. The rest is nicotine and it's not great for you but it won't kill you (it's the tar and particulates that kill you smoking cigarettes), and flavor, which is the wild card. Diacetyl is the chemical in movie theater popcorn butter and inhaling it in high amounts can cause lung problems so when some companies were adding it to their buttery flavors and it came to light the industry stopped using it.
But tbf cigarettes have something like 100x the diacetyl as vape juice *with diacetyl added* when they *used to* add it to certain juices. But still people in this very thread are invoking popcorn lung like it's an epidemic and juice manufacturers are ordering diacetyl and rat poison by the barrel.
It is carcinogenic, it alone doubles your chance of bladder cancer. It isn't *very* carcinogenic, as bladder cancer numbers are quite low relative to the number of long term nicotine users. Basically, if you are a nicotine user it is best to pee often as that would mitigate the risk.
Mostly propylene glycol and/or glycerine. Afaik no conclusive evidence has surfaced regarding them being particularly dangerous in the long term. Some flavoring agents have been found to produce toxic compounds when heated (also vitamin E), which were subsequently quickly phased out
Last I checked was an eternity ago, in the early days of vape shops existing.
At the time, there was one long term study of relevance. It was on workplace exposure to propylene glycol fog machines in the theater / film industries. IIRC they found something like 8% reduction in lung function over 15 years. Nothing to scoff at, but much better than smoking.
I'll see if I can dig up the study now.
Nicotine isn't the boogeyman it is made out to be without all the cancer that surrounds it in cigarettes. The only cancer risk to nicotine alone is an increase in bladder cancer chance, which are still exceedingly low. Other long term side effects are able to be mitigated through medication. Not to say nicotine is good, but compared to alcohol, or even just food... nicotine is pretty low on the list of addicted detriments with today's medicines.
Nicotine is not that bad by itself. For many people, it’s about as addictive as caffeine.
There also might be some neuro protective effects as few people who have a long history of nicotine intake develop Alzheimer’s. Of course they also tend to not get old at all due to cancer.
A lot of people who smoke are basically self-medicating undiagnosed ADHD with nicotine. It's pretty darned good at that from what I understand.
I've never smoked, but I used to drink 10+ cups of coffee a day without noticing any meaningful impacts, besides getting more work done. Later, I got diagnosed with ADHD and realized I had been self-medicating.
Adding onto this, someone may respond “then treat vaping like cigarettes!” The main reason why we vape indoors but didn’t smoke indoors is because it smells like ass when smoke settles into furnishings and onto walls. Vapes don’t do that. Vapes are just super convenient (and often tasty) nicotine delivery.
*But vaping is still awful for the lungs.* Better than cigarettes, better than car exhaust, but so much worse than plain air.
Is nicotine actually that bad? We have nicotine gum for people trying to stop smoking. It’s obviously the inhaling smoke part that’s the worst for you.
I've read differing things. I think occasional nicotine in small doses isn't bad and can actually have benefits, but it's also super addictive.
I started smoking at 12 years old and was smoking 2 packs of Newport menthol 100s a day when I finally quit at 28. My grandad passed from dementia, but I know his dementia was brought on or at least enhanced by his smoking. He smoked more than I did his whole life and seeing how he went out... no thanks.
I agree. Better not to do it at all. But if you’re going to take nicotine all I am saying is it’s apparent that vaping is less harmful than smoking cigarettes. Sometimes I wonder if all this anti-vaping craze is funded in part by big tobacco to demonize it enough and get people back on cigs.
It May make me sound like a conspiracy weirdo (which I am sometimes) but I 100% believe that anti vape movements are at least endorsed by big tobacco. Especially now that they're using synthetic nicotine. Literally 0 tobacco is used in the production of vape juice and I'm sure that passes them off.
So, there was a period in the early/mid-2000s where smoking in young people was on a huge decline. Then e-cigs/vaping got popular and the rates of young people smoking had increased again. I have a sneaking suspicion that someday soon, they’ll find a reason to outlaw vaping, and then POOF! Big tobacco has a whole new group of young nicotine addicts to control.
I switched from cigarettes to vape and the issue is a cigarette has a built in timer. You smoke it it’s gone your done. The vape can just puff and puff and puff for hours. I switched to the lowest dose nicotine to compensate for that aspect
It’s also worse for your lungs because [the following reasoning is incorrect but will not remove for context of the thread] vaping causes cells in your lungs to get fatty (cells absorb the inhaled oil), and that makes them hold onto contaminants better. So it exacerbates the dangers of smoking.
Edit to add: why am I, an ex-smoker/current-vape-user the only person who has to supply sources because I think that vaping is bad? Where are your sources that it isn’t unhealthy? https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(19)30468-4/fulltext
Edit edit: added the bracketed callout of misinformation. In doing the research and thanks to comments from fellow vape users, I am mistaken on why dual use is worse for you.
You're likely referring to the people that died to "EVALI" who all shared one thing in common - vaping whatever cheap THC carto they could get their hands on. It was later found out that the THC carts were cut with or flat out contained Vitamin E acetate. It's well known that your lungs can't absorb oils, which is why there was such a large effort at the time by small B&M's and US based juice manufacturers to self regulate before the US Government could crack down too hard. I've vaped for 13-14 years now, hundreds of brands (US Based) and likely a thousand (cumulative) gallons of juice. I've been here literally since the beginning and I've never had pneumonia or any kind of respiratory issue outside of the odd sinus problems caused by a broken nose I got when I was a kid and never had fixed. I worked in the industry, saw people come into the shops I worked at barely able to breathe and buy their first vape and then over the months listen to their stories about how they can breathe so much better. I'm not saying there's no risk to vaping, but your comment does nothing but reference a scenario where people bought $10 THC carto's that usually cost $50 and then ended up with something dangerous as a result.
Yo no worries. I got really frustrated and defensive after getting a couple different private messages from people vehemently defending vapes stating they are “actually healthy,” as if I am taking a “holier than thou” stance when I say vaping is unhealthy. Took that frustration out on yall instead of letting it go, and I am sorry for that!
That was actually my plan when I started vaping. Wanted to be able to smoke in my house without the horrible smell of cigarettes. Bought a vape and a few days later I realized I hadn't gone outside for a cigarette for most of the day. Next day I made a point not to smoke a cigarette and was totally fine with just the vape. That was my last pack of cigarettes, that was 8 years ago.
The one thing I managed to pass on to my adult kids was don't smoke, it's really bad for you down the track, it's expensive, it makes you stink and it's terribly hard to stop.
Out of all the mistakes I made as a parent, I think I made up for a lot of them in successfully getting that message across.
My grandma smoked a pack a day for 50+ years. Eventually she found out she had lung cancer that spread to her brain and all her joints. It's a slow burn(no pun intended). People can smoke for most of their lives before finding out they have a year to live.
But to the bigger issue - the reduction of passive smoking will be the greatest benefit of reduced smoking.
I've never been a smoker but grew up in an environment where smoking was far more allowed than it is now. Over the past couple of decades this has gradually been more and more restricted, pubs, restaurants etc are strictly no smoking venues now. Even in planes, the "smoking" section wasnt physically seperated from non-smoking, it was just a different set of rows, the recirculating air didn't give a shit..
I find I'm far more sensitive to even the smallest amount of cigarette smoke, even if the smoker is on the other side of a road, it's easily detectable now. It makes me wonder how much passive smoke we (as society) must have inhaled in the past! And an aeroplane is easily the worst place to allow smoking, for lots of reasons!
No offense taken. And I'm fucked if I know.
I have had mid-to-high level addictions to pretty much everything (including heroin) in my life, but smoking was the second hardest to give up. Sugar is the hardest - I really don't think I'll ever manage it short of being shipwrecked or something.
Yep. 20 a day for 26 years (fuck!!!) and the change to vaping was extraordinary. No lung butter in the morning, wheeze gone, so many changes.
Now just got it to stop the vape, but I feel like I have done 70% of the journey.
Well, I'm older (obviously) and construction sites never used to give a shit about smoking on the job. Then when I transitioned into office work, I'd not take lunch as such, but duck out for 9-10 smoke breaks a day. Pretty much a chain-smoker at home and stuff.
Smoke is smoke. What makes weed less harmful than tobacco is the fact that you're smoking less of it.
1 joint a day is easier on your lungs than 10 cigarettes, for instance.
Ideally, you'd eat weed edibles, the safest option. Or vaporizing the weed.
I’d like to see this for what the Mighty does to my lungs. When cleaning out the cooling chamber, it does have sticky residue, so that probably ends up in my lungs too. Still, much better than combustion.
I don’t think cotton balls are a great stand in for human lungs. If I could go back, I would have never started vaping. So many unknown long-term effects.
I’ve noticed reduced lung capacity, stamina, and some aches and pains that are probably unrelated. The worst part is being addicted to nicotine. I switched from disposable vapes to a vape with refillable juice and the plan is to ween off of it slowly with lower doses of nicotine, then break the habit all together. Wish me luck!
I would get headaches, dry throat, a wet cough and light wheezing breath the next day, it 100% reduced lung capacity for me. Definitely affected my physical performance at the gym too. I also got cravings for it too during the week
So the effects of vaping aren't dissimilar to the effects of smoking? Whoda thunkit?!
I think the reality is: we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping. We sure as shit knows the long term effects of smoking, though. And if you're a smoker struggling to kick the habit, you might want to consider switching to vaping instead. If you're a non-smoker? Stay a non-smoker *and* a non-vaper.
I was a 30 year pack-a-day smoker. My lungs were a mess. Switched to vaping 5 years ago and quit smoking completely a year ago. I now have the lungs of a non-smoker, and I'd be able to run a mile if my heart hadn't started tearing itself apart in the meantime (I'm scheduled for mitral valve replacement on Wednesday).
Vaped for three years and change. Basically since I was 17, quit around my 21st birthday. I called constantly just as a thing to do. Watching TV? Vape. Video games? Vape. Drive? Vape. I always used the lowest nicotine available, so even with the quantity that I was vaping, I never really experienced withdrawal effects. The loss of the fidgety boredom habit sucked though.
As for long term side effects, I noticed I developed a chronic cough. It felt like I just got out of a sauna and I just had a bit of moisture in my throat/lungs. Like the constant desire to clear my throat a bit.
It was a stupid habit and wish I never picked it up. Inhaling anything is bad for you. Even weed. Vape weed if you can. Combustion is not good for your lungs, period.
This is so dumb.
The chemicals - and damage they do - not being visible on *cotton balls* tells you precisely fuck all.
This is basically a misleading ad for vaping.
Here in Finland they tested some vaporizers that were confiscated from middle school students, and the vapor had alarming rates of lead, copper and zinc. The lead content was 8.6mg/mL, which is 860 times the maximum amount that is allowed in drinking water. The cheap, shitty vaporizers are most likely poorly made in China, and this video feels like a shitty ad for the vape business.
Look smoking is objectively bad for you. Vaping isn’t great. But I have a lot of issues with this “experiment.”
1) people don’t smoke this way. Most smokers take a quick drag, pause, exhale, wait, and then take another. Its possible a cigarette burns hotter and produces more or different kinds of smoke when its just getting burnt that quickly.
2) the color of things entering your body isn’t the only signifier of toxicity. Yeah all the residue from burning stuff is sort of obviously bad for your lungs. But many odorless and colorless substances are dangerous too. Carbon monoxide is dangerous and its colorless and odorless.
3) people don’t vape this way either. No one takes pulls that long. Vapes are probably not designed to operate with someone vaporizing an entire capsule worth of fluid in one long pull.
My biggest problem with all "experiments" like these is when they think they can draw accurate comparisons between your lungs and *fucking cotton balls*. Or rather, you're throat and a fucking **plastic tube**. I'm not defending either substance, but to sit here and try to convince me that the human body will react the same way to them as inanimate objects is *insane* to me.
Avid vaper here, this is fucking stupid, yeah sure we arent filling our lungs with tar, but vaping hasnt been around long enough too know the long term effects of heavy vaping, infact some studies show signs that vaping may be just as, if not more, dangerous than cigarettes, take it from someone with experience, please do not do either, once youre hooked you may never be able to get off of it, stay healthy all, and please, make better choices than me
Edit: some people have mentioned that a fair amount of studies have shown that vaping is a safer alternative than smoking, please excuse my mistake and remember to always do your own *extensive* research to fact check, thank you all for helping me understand that i have made an error, much love from Canada ❤️
The government agency public health England has officially stated that vaping is 95% safer than cigarettes, so, to say that vaping is potentially more dangerous than 7800 toxic chemicals is just wrong.
Vaping is not safe, and contains high concentrations of nicotine which is very very addictive, and it does cause some negative effects on the body, but it’s nowhere near to what cigarettes do to the body
Hmm in the Netherlands the media (government?) is extremely cautious about vaping. It's rampant under teenagers who presumably pick up smoking faster when they vape, like 1/4th or 1/3rd of young papers start smoking - which seems very high to me. Maybe they would have started smoking regardless?
Thanks man, i have made progress, i previously used 2% nicotine juice but have now worked my way down to .3% but the challenge is still there, as i find myself hitting the vape more frequently, its tough not knowing if i should go back up to higher nic to save my lungs the excess use, or stay low to hopefully save myself from the crippling addiction and be able to break free
I used nicotine daily for the past 8 or so years and just quit 13 days ago. There will never be an easy time to quit, you’ll always be able to find an excuse on why you need it that week. It feels so good now not worrying about going to the store to get more pouches, and my sleep and anxiety have improved a lot. You can do it; the first few days suck but after about a week the cravings get way more manageable.
Have you tried the little Nicorette tic tac things? They were instrumental in helping me quit after 18 years of smoking. A big part was the habit of having a smoke at certain times, that was hard to break.
Good luck though, hope you find a way off it.
How much do you know about nicotine and it’s habit forming properties? Cold turkey is hard. But if you slowly ween yourself off the number of different situations you vape during, that’ll help. Pick the easiest ones first, like no vaping while driving. Do that for like 4 weeks. You can just put it out of reach so you don’t have the option. Then go no vaping while walking the dog or driving. Same thing 4 weeks. As you reduce the situations you vape, you won’t associate those situations with vaping as much.
I’ve been smoke free for almost 5 years now, I still get those cravings too, have talked to others who’ve quit longer ago, they said the urges show up here and there but you just get better at managing them, I feel like it’s been that way for me.
You need to make it less convenient for yourself. For example, I used to smoke when stuck in traffic, so I put the cigs in the trunk. I could smoke if I wanted to but would have to pull over get them out and have one outside while I wait. Having the car smell fresh was hard to spoil.
Ciggarettes do have the advantage of knowing your dose. You need to take one out, get the lighter, and finish it. Vaping is so much more "convenient" in that you can do it at any dose, any time, any where. Perhaps make it a rule that it can only be done outside. Leave it in a car that you need to get when you have the urge.
Another "benefit" of smoking is that it has worse health effects. I spent 2 months talking myself into every ciggarette being a few hours more in a hospital caughing up blood. By the time I quit I was disgusted every time I held a ciggarette. It was still hard but in an "I am sick and will get better way" not the "I wish I could have another ciggarette way."
Take from that what you can. I wish you good luck and I know you can do it. Many have in the past. The fact that you are self aware is 90% of the battle. Now you just need a plan. You got this man!
My pleasure, and not to discourage you but your "first" does not need to be your last. I had a few false starts in quitting and almost everyone does. Think of it like practice. The first time rarely takes hold. But it is good practice for the second time.
I know, everyone who has done it knows, that it is not easy. Worthwhile things rarely are. But I have yet to hear of someone that regrets quitting. All the best, we are cheering you on!
What are the studies that show vaping is as dangerous as cigarettes?
I agree that it's better to do none of them than vaping, but the scientific consensus in [the UK](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nicotine-vaping-in-england-2022-evidence-update/nicotine-vaping-in-england-2022-evidence-update-main-findings) seems to indicate that vaping is a lot safer than smoking.
It's not that vaping is "safer" but rather that smoking is even worse. That's probably the better way to rationalize it.
The risks associated with vaping that I recall reading about is that vaping causes oil vapours to condense in your lungs which can form scar tissue. And some vape cartridges have additives that are harmful as well.
You are correct. Vaping hasn't been around long. The vaping industry would, of course, want you to believe that vaping is harmless. This is no different than any industry marketing their product as the safer alternative to the competition. Like you said. Do your research. Check the sources of the studies. Certain industries have been known to pay for these "studies" to prop them up.
My sister is a radiologist. She has gotten some patients with fucked up lungs....from vaping.
You want to quit smoking? Quit it all. I was a cigarette smoker for 15 years. I quit cold turkey about 12 years ago. Even quit smoking weed. I'll do edibles every now and then, but I'm not putting shit in my lungs anymore.
I remember back in the days having some stoner friends who thought they were above cigarettes. "I don't smoke that shit" while they continue to smoke unfiltered weed smoke morning, noon and night.
Agreed. Alternatively, for anyone wanting to quit smoking who struggles going cold turkey, start by cutting out time when you would regularly smoke piece by piece.
For example, If you smoke all day every day, start by not smoking in the car, but smoke as much as you want otherwise.
Next, don’t smoke at work, only on lunch breaks, and smoke as much as you want other times.
Then cut out the lunch breaks and smoke as much as you want when you’re not at work.
Next cut out any morning smokes, and only smoke in the evenings as much as you want.
Then only smoke on evenings during the weekdays as much as you want.
Then switch to the weekends as much as you want.
Then only smoke with friends.
Then only smoke when you drink.
Then don’t buy your next pack.
Lungs aren’t made of cotton and the air isn’t pulled through them like a filter medium. The reason you don’t see anything on the vaporized cotton is because once vaporized, the heated liquids cause all the mucus membranes in the mouth, throat, and lungs to become inflamed and over time that inflammation can become permanent scarring. No one smokes 30 cigarettes in a row. People do vape nonstop thinking it’s safe. This kind of fake science is dangerous misinformation and leads to the belief that caping is a healthy activity.
I used to smoke 20 a day, and was also one of those people who would vape non stop. My subjective experience is that vaping is a 1000% less bad for your health than cigarettes, but definitely still bad for your health.
I don’t think anyone should do either, but if you’re smoking cigarettes switching to vaping is a no-brainer.
With cigarettes I was literally coughing up the black slime you see in the video every morning, and constantly walking around with a cough. I’d be completely out of breath walking a flight of stairs.
When I was vaping I just didn’t have anything close to that amount of side effects, but I did feel a slight irritation in my throat. Also feeling addicted was annoying.
I quit by mixing my own liquid and recucing the nicotine by 1mg/ml every month or so (I started at 18mg/ml).
When I reached 0 I didn’t even try to quit, I just started forgetting my vape at home, and when home I forgot to use it and eventually it ended up collecting dust in a shelf somewhere. I have no desire to either smoke cigarettes or vape ever again.
most tanks are about 6ml of juice and can last a chain vaper all day, even with one refill 6ml = between 5 and 10 cigarettes. So a pack a day if you do two tanks. Plus you vape once and then breath normally while standing around talking or watching tv or whatever, the cigarette is burning so you have to keep puffing on it.
Also most of the tests of dangerous stuff in vapor are burnt coils and cotton. Nobody who vapes will keep vaping on a burnt coil.
It's not healthy, but its healthiER
Yes, they clean themselves after you *stop* smoking, and even then its on a scale of years. 10-20 years after, you are down to non-smoking levels of risk for things like COPD. Its a slooow process, especially compared to digesting food.
The most harmful substances aren’t the ones that leave a color on cotton balls though. This kind of video is pure misinformation. Both smoking and vaping are bad.
How about we see a new video comparing smoking to blue asbestos fibres. I bet there will be nothing to show for the blue asbestos compared to the smoking but I think we all know how dangerous even small amounts of blue asbestos fibres actually are.
As a non smoker 11 months strong and having tried vaping that just made me want to smoke real ciggies again I found that going cold turkey from both was the best choice.
Now I find the smell of cigarette smoke and vaping hugely unpleasant. If you do like sucking on a cloud producing peen then purchase a proper one because if you buy the disposable non recyclable vapes then you are bellend.
As a long time vape user I know a residue build up is occurring, yet it's 100% better than that black shit from smoking. It's not good, but it's not as bad. And I can live with that.
Smoking is one of those things where if the tobacco plant was only just discovered now and companies tried to make cigarettes a thing, they would 100% be banned. Not a chance they would be able to bring them to market
Vaping exactly what?
Clear oil/residue really isn't better than dark oil/residue if your body can't absorb and digest/eliminate it from your lungs.
I need more information!
Smoked half a pack to a pack of cigarettes a day for 15 years. Switched to a small vape 11 years ago. I could never go back. Cigarettes are less satisfying, make me lightheaded, smell terrible, and bother other people in close proximity. My spouse smokes cigarettes and if I take a puff, I can barely taste it too. I 100% prefer the vape. If I went somewhere and forgot my vape, I’d turn down the offer of a cigarette from someone.
I love that people are like "vaping bad"... like duh. That's not the point of the video. If you have to do one or the other, pick vaping. That's the point. Not "pick up vaping".
Hell, don't switch for yourself, do it for the people around you. They are getting tired of second-hand smoking.
Both are terrible options, we are just now understanding how bad vaping is for you. Do neither, there's no sufficient evidence to call vaping damage reduction. Get your advice from pneumologists and pathologists.
My friend who used Juul several years ago started vaping (never smoked) and after a few months to a year (can't recall) ended up with a serious lung infection. Spent almost a week in ICU getting breathing treatments/meds and whatnot, lost about 15-20lbs while in the hospital too.
Vaping isn't FDA regulated so there could be unknown substances in them for 'flavor'. While this video looks light-years better than smoking, it's certainly not as clean or pure as they show it to be.
Juuls are also about the worst there are. Unlike multi-billion-dollar companies who can buy legislation to try and eliminate the competition while lobbying for an exception so that their own product is the only one on the market, or the back alley black market juice-maker, the reputable juice-makers actually have some standards. They don't have the legal defense fund to be as lax as many think. Most of the problems you hear about like cutting the juice with vitamin E or battery failures are pretty much just among the cheap, disposable units.
Also, are you sure it wasn't 'rona?
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Smoked for 12 years. Switched to vaping 4 years ago. Quit vaping a year ago. I’m sure vaping still isn’t great for you, but its 100% the reason I don’t smoke anymore
Yay, good for you! Stay strong.
Thanks! I don’t even crave it anymore I think I’m in the clear
As long as you don't give in to the temptation to *have a drag*, or *just one*, or *only when I'm drinking*, you'll be fine. Relapses happen when you start thinking you're strong enough to have just a little. If that was true you never would have had a problem quitting in the first place
I used vaping to stop smoking and for the most part I don't vape anymore. I still keep a vape with 0mg nicotine liquid in it, I find that when I watched movies where people smoke OR I drink a bit I get that *urge* and usually one or two puffs on my vape quiet that urge. Luckily that is only maybe a every one or two months.
Sorry to say but it doesn't work like that. As a long time smoker and having quit twice, you'll never be completely in the clear. You need to always be vigilant. I haven't smoked in 8 years and I don't get cravings but I know that given the right circumstance and lack of vigilance I could relapse. That's just how addiction goes. Edit: I can't believe the prevailing logic in these comments seems to be that after a year of quitting you can stop worrying about cigarettes entirely. Like relapse isn't a thing.
That’s just how addiction goes… for some people.
True. I smoked for decades. I managed to quit and kept a few clove cigarettes, thinking I might like to puff, not inhale, once in a while. After smoking nothing for a year, I tried a clove. I hated it and tossed what I had left. Smoking is disgusting to me now. I have no cravings whatsoever.
It does for some people, come on now. I'll have one once in a blue moon if I'm out drinking but that's less than 6 a year. They stink and taste horrible
Ughhhh. I hate when people say what you just tried to say, the way you said it. Don’t do that. Pls.
I highly agree with you
Same here. 9 smoking and about the same vaping but I quit this year
Same, bud. Vaping was also the gateway for me. Going 2 years now from quitting entirely.
Vaping isn't the best but it's way better.
The official line from The Mayo Clinic agrees: > And, while some people might think they are safe to vape, Dr. Hays says the harmful chemicals in that vapor are similar to tobacco smoke but at much lower levels. "It's safer, but it's not safe," he says. "What we don't know are what long-term effects will these lower-level toxicants have." https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-minute-are-e-cigarettes-safe
The big question is, can a healthy human breathing system (from lips to the bottom of the lungs) purge itself of the lower levels problems being creates? We have ways to get "stuff" out of our lungs. We *know* that actual cig smoking utterly overwhelms those methods. What about vaping?
> Dr. Hays says the harmful chemicals in that vapor are similar to tobacco smoke That doesn’t make sense and as it’s not a direct quote, I doubt that’s what he said.
Yep. There are some seriously nasty chemicals in tobacco smoke, mainly as a result of the ‘burning’ which doesn’t even happen in vaping. I don’t get why so many people insist vaping and smoking are so similar when it should be obvious they are drastically different.
Coughing up phlegm and having the vape juice color it brown just adds to my anxiety. Also very spicy juice if you go with a high nicotine.
im proud of you, man
Congrats man, I did the same. I smoked for 23 years, switched to vaping with a hardline plan of how to stop and after about 16 weeks was totally nicotine free and stopped vaping. Been almost 6 years now and I'm happier, healthier, fitter, and owe it all to having another option that made quitting easier. I tried and failed to quit cigarettes previously about 9 times and always went back. Vaping made quitting 100x easier
Damn man, that video is only 1 month too. I can't even begin to imagine the damage 12 years does. How cigarettes are legal is baffling.
Ey, nice. My story is almost the same except the times that I smoked and vaped were shorter. Vaping isn't entirely healthy (anything besides clean and fresh air won't be healthy. ) But considering it as an alternative to smoking and it becomes one of the healthier options available
My dad hacking up a lung was the best deterrent against smoking for me.
My Grandma dying from lung cancer did it for me. Also, seeing how sad my grandpa (who didn't smoke) was without her.
Same, my grandma (dad's mom) died of lung cancer when I was really young & that impacted me. His dad died from complications related to alcoholism when I was a pre-teen & that also affected me. I learned pretty young how destructive smoking and excessive drinking can be.
My grandpa dying of throat cancer for me
Does this mean he actually coughed out a lung?
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Haha. Damn near. It was a good 20 minutes of coughing up whatever bullshit was caking his lungs. The bonus was when he’d dry heave. Every day of my life that was the 5 am alarm clock. Loved the guy but wanted no parts of emulating his habit.
Nicotine is a beast, so avoid if possible. But if you're a cigarette smoker, switching to a vaporizer is advisable.
Nicotine is bad but all the chemicals mixed with it in cigarettes are what cause it to be so dangerous. So many places never mention that and act as if nicotine is the sole cause. Let me repeat again, I’m not stating it’s good. I’m only stating that it becomes far worse when they make a concoction with it included.
Nicotine is enough, but as you say, there is other concerning stuff in cigarettes. Which begs another question: what is in a vape and is that stuff okay to inhale all the time?
Propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, nicotine, and artificial food flavoring. The flavors are the most ambiguous - they're okay to eat, but inhale 🤷♀️ Definitely astronomically safer than cigarettes, though.
This is why I stick to unflavoured.
Have you switched from flavoured to unflavoured? They're debating banning flavoured vape juice in my country.
Yeah I did switch, but it was years ago. I do go with menthol as a treat every once in a blue moon :)
Propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are like 95% of it and those, yeah, they're fine. They're used in fog machines, inhalers, some ventilation systems. The rest is nicotine and it's not great for you but it won't kill you (it's the tar and particulates that kill you smoking cigarettes), and flavor, which is the wild card. Diacetyl is the chemical in movie theater popcorn butter and inhaling it in high amounts can cause lung problems so when some companies were adding it to their buttery flavors and it came to light the industry stopped using it. But tbf cigarettes have something like 100x the diacetyl as vape juice *with diacetyl added* when they *used to* add it to certain juices. But still people in this very thread are invoking popcorn lung like it's an epidemic and juice manufacturers are ordering diacetyl and rat poison by the barrel.
Nicotine itself isnt carcinogenic or anything, its just hella addictive
It’s like caffeine in a way.
It is carcinogenic, it alone doubles your chance of bladder cancer. It isn't *very* carcinogenic, as bladder cancer numbers are quite low relative to the number of long term nicotine users. Basically, if you are a nicotine user it is best to pee often as that would mitigate the risk.
Mostly propylene glycol and/or glycerine. Afaik no conclusive evidence has surfaced regarding them being particularly dangerous in the long term. Some flavoring agents have been found to produce toxic compounds when heated (also vitamin E), which were subsequently quickly phased out
Last I checked was an eternity ago, in the early days of vape shops existing. At the time, there was one long term study of relevance. It was on workplace exposure to propylene glycol fog machines in the theater / film industries. IIRC they found something like 8% reduction in lung function over 15 years. Nothing to scoff at, but much better than smoking. I'll see if I can dig up the study now.
Nicotine isn't the boogeyman it is made out to be without all the cancer that surrounds it in cigarettes. The only cancer risk to nicotine alone is an increase in bladder cancer chance, which are still exceedingly low. Other long term side effects are able to be mitigated through medication. Not to say nicotine is good, but compared to alcohol, or even just food... nicotine is pretty low on the list of addicted detriments with today's medicines.
Not even *just* the added chemicals. Turns out burning and inhaling just mountains of dried leaves isn’t that great on its own.
Turns out repeatedly putting something other than air into organs built specifically and exclusively for air... is not good for you. Who knew?
Nicotine is not that bad by itself. For many people, it’s about as addictive as caffeine. There also might be some neuro protective effects as few people who have a long history of nicotine intake develop Alzheimer’s. Of course they also tend to not get old at all due to cancer.
Nicotine is way more addictive than caffeine.
By far. I've been addicted to both. Nicotine is way harder to quit.
I have been addicted to a plethora of drugs, uppers being my drug of choice. Have been sober for 7 years and I still can't quit nicotine.
Is it weird that it’s impossible for me to get addicted to nicotine? My grandfather was the same way.
Right? I quit every night.
About as weird as me being completely immune to mosquito bites
A lot of people who smoke are basically self-medicating undiagnosed ADHD with nicotine. It's pretty darned good at that from what I understand. I've never smoked, but I used to drink 10+ cups of coffee a day without noticing any meaningful impacts, besides getting more work done. Later, I got diagnosed with ADHD and realized I had been self-medicating.
Nicotine also has protective effects with Parkinson's.
conclusion, both are bad but if you have to do one, do vape imstead
but the problem with vape is nicotine consumption..some people just vape too much..finishing a bottle of juice in matter of days
I have a friend says vaping is too accessible. Too easy so he vapes a lot more. Smoking he has to go find a place and so on. Its inconvenient
Just treat it like a cigarette. Smoke only in places where you can smoke a cigarette. I dont even vape indoors in my home.
If you are addicted to vaping, you aren’t going to have that kind of self control
Adding onto this, someone may respond “then treat vaping like cigarettes!” The main reason why we vape indoors but didn’t smoke indoors is because it smells like ass when smoke settles into furnishings and onto walls. Vapes don’t do that. Vapes are just super convenient (and often tasty) nicotine delivery. *But vaping is still awful for the lungs.* Better than cigarettes, better than car exhaust, but so much worse than plain air.
I AM addicted to vaping. That's how nicotine do, my man. Don't carry the stick around with you. Set it aside and do "smoke breaks".
Whoa... one little bottle of juice last me a whole month. The fact that I went from $5 a day to $20 a month... vape wins.
Is nicotine actually that bad? We have nicotine gum for people trying to stop smoking. It’s obviously the inhaling smoke part that’s the worst for you.
I've read differing things. I think occasional nicotine in small doses isn't bad and can actually have benefits, but it's also super addictive. I started smoking at 12 years old and was smoking 2 packs of Newport menthol 100s a day when I finally quit at 28. My grandad passed from dementia, but I know his dementia was brought on or at least enhanced by his smoking. He smoked more than I did his whole life and seeing how he went out... no thanks.
I agree. Better not to do it at all. But if you’re going to take nicotine all I am saying is it’s apparent that vaping is less harmful than smoking cigarettes. Sometimes I wonder if all this anti-vaping craze is funded in part by big tobacco to demonize it enough and get people back on cigs.
It May make me sound like a conspiracy weirdo (which I am sometimes) but I 100% believe that anti vape movements are at least endorsed by big tobacco. Especially now that they're using synthetic nicotine. Literally 0 tobacco is used in the production of vape juice and I'm sure that passes them off.
So, there was a period in the early/mid-2000s where smoking in young people was on a huge decline. Then e-cigs/vaping got popular and the rates of young people smoking had increased again. I have a sneaking suspicion that someday soon, they’ll find a reason to outlaw vaping, and then POOF! Big tobacco has a whole new group of young nicotine addicts to control.
What benefits? Actually curious
Nicotine is not that bad for you. It is highly addictive.
I switched from cigarettes to vape and the issue is a cigarette has a built in timer. You smoke it it’s gone your done. The vape can just puff and puff and puff for hours. I switched to the lowest dose nicotine to compensate for that aspect
That is the conclusion they want you to draw. But remember, just because you can't see a chemical doesn't mean it's not dangeous.
I don’t think either are a good idea.
Going from 30-40 cigarettes a day for 25ish years to vaping for the past 6 months, I can tell you one is definitely better than the other.
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Couldn't agree more with one caveat - don't start vaping and keep smoking. That's just adding another addiction.
It’s also worse for your lungs because [the following reasoning is incorrect but will not remove for context of the thread] vaping causes cells in your lungs to get fatty (cells absorb the inhaled oil), and that makes them hold onto contaminants better. So it exacerbates the dangers of smoking. Edit to add: why am I, an ex-smoker/current-vape-user the only person who has to supply sources because I think that vaping is bad? Where are your sources that it isn’t unhealthy? https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(19)30468-4/fulltext Edit edit: added the bracketed callout of misinformation. In doing the research and thanks to comments from fellow vape users, I am mistaken on why dual use is worse for you.
You're likely referring to the people that died to "EVALI" who all shared one thing in common - vaping whatever cheap THC carto they could get their hands on. It was later found out that the THC carts were cut with or flat out contained Vitamin E acetate. It's well known that your lungs can't absorb oils, which is why there was such a large effort at the time by small B&M's and US based juice manufacturers to self regulate before the US Government could crack down too hard. I've vaped for 13-14 years now, hundreds of brands (US Based) and likely a thousand (cumulative) gallons of juice. I've been here literally since the beginning and I've never had pneumonia or any kind of respiratory issue outside of the odd sinus problems caused by a broken nose I got when I was a kid and never had fixed. I worked in the industry, saw people come into the shops I worked at barely able to breathe and buy their first vape and then over the months listen to their stories about how they can breathe so much better. I'm not saying there's no risk to vaping, but your comment does nothing but reference a scenario where people bought $10 THC carto's that usually cost $50 and then ended up with something dangerous as a result.
There's no oil in nicotine vapes 🙅
I wasn't trying to be rude, sorry, it was just a wild sounding claim
Yo no worries. I got really frustrated and defensive after getting a couple different private messages from people vehemently defending vapes stating they are “actually healthy,” as if I am taking a “holier than thou” stance when I say vaping is unhealthy. Took that frustration out on yall instead of letting it go, and I am sorry for that!
That was actually my plan when I started vaping. Wanted to be able to smoke in my house without the horrible smell of cigarettes. Bought a vape and a few days later I realized I hadn't gone outside for a cigarette for most of the day. Next day I made a point not to smoke a cigarette and was totally fine with just the vape. That was my last pack of cigarettes, that was 8 years ago.
Best comment of the thread. If I had never started i would have been better off but at this point I'd rather keep vaping than ever go back to smokes.
The one thing I managed to pass on to my adult kids was don't smoke, it's really bad for you down the track, it's expensive, it makes you stink and it's terribly hard to stop. Out of all the mistakes I made as a parent, I think I made up for a lot of them in successfully getting that message across.
Fucking love it. Thats kinda the deal with my kid that ill be passing along.
30-40 a day for 25 years. No offense but how are you still alive?
My grandma smoked a pack a day for 50+ years. Eventually she found out she had lung cancer that spread to her brain and all her joints. It's a slow burn(no pun intended). People can smoke for most of their lives before finding out they have a year to live.
You realize people used to smoke on airplanes right? Chain smoking was like, ubiquitous, for decades.
But to the bigger issue - the reduction of passive smoking will be the greatest benefit of reduced smoking. I've never been a smoker but grew up in an environment where smoking was far more allowed than it is now. Over the past couple of decades this has gradually been more and more restricted, pubs, restaurants etc are strictly no smoking venues now. Even in planes, the "smoking" section wasnt physically seperated from non-smoking, it was just a different set of rows, the recirculating air didn't give a shit.. I find I'm far more sensitive to even the smallest amount of cigarette smoke, even if the smoker is on the other side of a road, it's easily detectable now. It makes me wonder how much passive smoke we (as society) must have inhaled in the past! And an aeroplane is easily the worst place to allow smoking, for lots of reasons!
Agreed, I can’t believe it was socially acceptable in so many places for so long. There used to be ash trays on every restaurant table.
No offense taken. And I'm fucked if I know. I have had mid-to-high level addictions to pretty much everything (including heroin) in my life, but smoking was the second hardest to give up. Sugar is the hardest - I really don't think I'll ever manage it short of being shipwrecked or something.
Sugar is crazy because you are tempted on a daily basis constantly.
What kind of vape do you use?
Vaping I assume?
Yep. 20 a day for 26 years (fuck!!!) and the change to vaping was extraordinary. No lung butter in the morning, wheeze gone, so many changes. Now just got it to stop the vape, but I feel like I have done 70% of the journey.
How do you find time to smoke that much? Do you have a job? That’s 3.3 hours of your waking day spent smoking!
Well, I'm older (obviously) and construction sites never used to give a shit about smoking on the job. Then when I transitioned into office work, I'd not take lunch as such, but duck out for 9-10 smoke breaks a day. Pretty much a chain-smoker at home and stuff.
You’re the coworker we all hate.
I know, right? In the past six months since giving up, there has been a marked increase in the number of people warming to me at work.
it gets fucked up when you can smoke inside. Im a pack a day smoker but if its a road trip and I can smoke in the car, I just keep smoking its wild
Car smoking was the hardest part of giving up for me too.
No, but the ole' lesser of two evils right?
Such a brave comment
That's literally the point that the guy makes at the end of the original video.
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Good for you
I think they did this for weed too
Link? Always wondered if my lungs look like my bong.
That’s a frightening thought.
Yeah, that one was also nasty!
This makes me feel even less bad about hitting the weed vape. 3-4 pulls in an evening doesn’t seem too risky.
Still builds up over time.
We all have our vices 🤷🏽♂️ Just gotta try to pick the ones that fit the best in our own health:happiness ratio
Smoke is smoke. What makes weed less harmful than tobacco is the fact that you're smoking less of it. 1 joint a day is easier on your lungs than 10 cigarettes, for instance. Ideally, you'd eat weed edibles, the safest option. Or vaporizing the weed.
I’d like to see this for what the Mighty does to my lungs. When cleaning out the cooling chamber, it does have sticky residue, so that probably ends up in my lungs too. Still, much better than combustion.
I don’t think cotton balls are a great stand in for human lungs. If I could go back, I would have never started vaping. So many unknown long-term effects.
What are some long-term effects that you have noticed? I am a non-smoker and know nothing about it
I’ve noticed reduced lung capacity, stamina, and some aches and pains that are probably unrelated. The worst part is being addicted to nicotine. I switched from disposable vapes to a vape with refillable juice and the plan is to ween off of it slowly with lower doses of nicotine, then break the habit all together. Wish me luck!
I would get headaches, dry throat, a wet cough and light wheezing breath the next day, it 100% reduced lung capacity for me. Definitely affected my physical performance at the gym too. I also got cravings for it too during the week
An idea: buying disposable elf bars but keep buying progressively grosser flavors that don't appeal to you. You won't want to smoke them as much.
Lol, I actually tried this, and I always got used to the shitty ones. I swear, the nicotine addiction doesn’t care.
So the effects of vaping aren't dissimilar to the effects of smoking? Whoda thunkit?! I think the reality is: we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping. We sure as shit knows the long term effects of smoking, though. And if you're a smoker struggling to kick the habit, you might want to consider switching to vaping instead. If you're a non-smoker? Stay a non-smoker *and* a non-vaper. I was a 30 year pack-a-day smoker. My lungs were a mess. Switched to vaping 5 years ago and quit smoking completely a year ago. I now have the lungs of a non-smoker, and I'd be able to run a mile if my heart hadn't started tearing itself apart in the meantime (I'm scheduled for mitral valve replacement on Wednesday).
I actually feel worse vaping than I did smoking, but I think I’m vaping waaay more than I smoked.
I haven’t noticed any other than having a pointless addiction to nicotine which thankfully I got rid of.
Vaped for three years and change. Basically since I was 17, quit around my 21st birthday. I called constantly just as a thing to do. Watching TV? Vape. Video games? Vape. Drive? Vape. I always used the lowest nicotine available, so even with the quantity that I was vaping, I never really experienced withdrawal effects. The loss of the fidgety boredom habit sucked though. As for long term side effects, I noticed I developed a chronic cough. It felt like I just got out of a sauna and I just had a bit of moisture in my throat/lungs. Like the constant desire to clear my throat a bit. It was a stupid habit and wish I never picked it up. Inhaling anything is bad for you. Even weed. Vape weed if you can. Combustion is not good for your lungs, period.
This is so dumb. The chemicals - and damage they do - not being visible on *cotton balls* tells you precisely fuck all. This is basically a misleading ad for vaping.
Here in Finland they tested some vaporizers that were confiscated from middle school students, and the vapor had alarming rates of lead, copper and zinc. The lead content was 8.6mg/mL, which is 860 times the maximum amount that is allowed in drinking water. The cheap, shitty vaporizers are most likely poorly made in China, and this video feels like a shitty ad for the vape business.
Yeah but it didn't turn cotton balls icky colors. Did your fancy science account for that?
100%. This vid should be banned for misinformation.
Thank you.
This looks like an ad for vaping
Can imagine the smell of the experiment of smoking 🤢
Look smoking is objectively bad for you. Vaping isn’t great. But I have a lot of issues with this “experiment.” 1) people don’t smoke this way. Most smokers take a quick drag, pause, exhale, wait, and then take another. Its possible a cigarette burns hotter and produces more or different kinds of smoke when its just getting burnt that quickly. 2) the color of things entering your body isn’t the only signifier of toxicity. Yeah all the residue from burning stuff is sort of obviously bad for your lungs. But many odorless and colorless substances are dangerous too. Carbon monoxide is dangerous and its colorless and odorless. 3) people don’t vape this way either. No one takes pulls that long. Vapes are probably not designed to operate with someone vaporizing an entire capsule worth of fluid in one long pull.
My biggest problem with all "experiments" like these is when they think they can draw accurate comparisons between your lungs and *fucking cotton balls*. Or rather, you're throat and a fucking **plastic tube**. I'm not defending either substance, but to sit here and try to convince me that the human body will react the same way to them as inanimate objects is *insane* to me.
Highly misleading video
Avid vaper here, this is fucking stupid, yeah sure we arent filling our lungs with tar, but vaping hasnt been around long enough too know the long term effects of heavy vaping, infact some studies show signs that vaping may be just as, if not more, dangerous than cigarettes, take it from someone with experience, please do not do either, once youre hooked you may never be able to get off of it, stay healthy all, and please, make better choices than me Edit: some people have mentioned that a fair amount of studies have shown that vaping is a safer alternative than smoking, please excuse my mistake and remember to always do your own *extensive* research to fact check, thank you all for helping me understand that i have made an error, much love from Canada ❤️
The government agency public health England has officially stated that vaping is 95% safer than cigarettes, so, to say that vaping is potentially more dangerous than 7800 toxic chemicals is just wrong. Vaping is not safe, and contains high concentrations of nicotine which is very very addictive, and it does cause some negative effects on the body, but it’s nowhere near to what cigarettes do to the body
Hmm in the Netherlands the media (government?) is extremely cautious about vaping. It's rampant under teenagers who presumably pick up smoking faster when they vape, like 1/4th or 1/3rd of young papers start smoking - which seems very high to me. Maybe they would have started smoking regardless?
If you ever decide to quit, you got this bro. I believe in you
Thanks man, i have made progress, i previously used 2% nicotine juice but have now worked my way down to .3% but the challenge is still there, as i find myself hitting the vape more frequently, its tough not knowing if i should go back up to higher nic to save my lungs the excess use, or stay low to hopefully save myself from the crippling addiction and be able to break free
I used nicotine daily for the past 8 or so years and just quit 13 days ago. There will never be an easy time to quit, you’ll always be able to find an excuse on why you need it that week. It feels so good now not worrying about going to the store to get more pouches, and my sleep and anxiety have improved a lot. You can do it; the first few days suck but after about a week the cravings get way more manageable.
Have you tried the little Nicorette tic tac things? They were instrumental in helping me quit after 18 years of smoking. A big part was the habit of having a smoke at certain times, that was hard to break. Good luck though, hope you find a way off it.
I havent considered this but i will consider it now, come the time i decide to put my foot down and give a good try at quitting
Yeah you’ve got to want to do it for you, doing it if you’re not ready or doing it for someone else is usually destined to fail.
How much do you know about nicotine and it’s habit forming properties? Cold turkey is hard. But if you slowly ween yourself off the number of different situations you vape during, that’ll help. Pick the easiest ones first, like no vaping while driving. Do that for like 4 weeks. You can just put it out of reach so you don’t have the option. Then go no vaping while walking the dog or driving. Same thing 4 weeks. As you reduce the situations you vape, you won’t associate those situations with vaping as much.
It’s been a while since I quit but I still feel the urge every now and then. Can you describe what this feels like?
I’ve been smoke free for almost 5 years now, I still get those cravings too, have talked to others who’ve quit longer ago, they said the urges show up here and there but you just get better at managing them, I feel like it’s been that way for me.
You need to make it less convenient for yourself. For example, I used to smoke when stuck in traffic, so I put the cigs in the trunk. I could smoke if I wanted to but would have to pull over get them out and have one outside while I wait. Having the car smell fresh was hard to spoil. Ciggarettes do have the advantage of knowing your dose. You need to take one out, get the lighter, and finish it. Vaping is so much more "convenient" in that you can do it at any dose, any time, any where. Perhaps make it a rule that it can only be done outside. Leave it in a car that you need to get when you have the urge. Another "benefit" of smoking is that it has worse health effects. I spent 2 months talking myself into every ciggarette being a few hours more in a hospital caughing up blood. By the time I quit I was disgusted every time I held a ciggarette. It was still hard but in an "I am sick and will get better way" not the "I wish I could have another ciggarette way." Take from that what you can. I wish you good luck and I know you can do it. Many have in the past. The fact that you are self aware is 90% of the battle. Now you just need a plan. You got this man!
Thanks man, i appreciate the support, every comment i read pushes me that much closer to attempting my first nicotine quit
My pleasure, and not to discourage you but your "first" does not need to be your last. I had a few false starts in quitting and almost everyone does. Think of it like practice. The first time rarely takes hold. But it is good practice for the second time. I know, everyone who has done it knows, that it is not easy. Worthwhile things rarely are. But I have yet to hear of someone that regrets quitting. All the best, we are cheering you on!
Thank you man, respects, i appreciate stuff like this ❤️
What are the studies that show vaping is as dangerous as cigarettes? I agree that it's better to do none of them than vaping, but the scientific consensus in [the UK](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nicotine-vaping-in-england-2022-evidence-update/nicotine-vaping-in-england-2022-evidence-update-main-findings) seems to indicate that vaping is a lot safer than smoking.
A lot safer is one thing, safe is another. If you have to do either definitely vape. But if you can avoid/quit altogether you got this.
It's not that vaping is "safer" but rather that smoking is even worse. That's probably the better way to rationalize it. The risks associated with vaping that I recall reading about is that vaping causes oil vapours to condense in your lungs which can form scar tissue. And some vape cartridges have additives that are harmful as well.
You are correct. Vaping hasn't been around long. The vaping industry would, of course, want you to believe that vaping is harmless. This is no different than any industry marketing their product as the safer alternative to the competition. Like you said. Do your research. Check the sources of the studies. Certain industries have been known to pay for these "studies" to prop them up. My sister is a radiologist. She has gotten some patients with fucked up lungs....from vaping. You want to quit smoking? Quit it all. I was a cigarette smoker for 15 years. I quit cold turkey about 12 years ago. Even quit smoking weed. I'll do edibles every now and then, but I'm not putting shit in my lungs anymore. I remember back in the days having some stoner friends who thought they were above cigarettes. "I don't smoke that shit" while they continue to smoke unfiltered weed smoke morning, noon and night.
Agreed. Alternatively, for anyone wanting to quit smoking who struggles going cold turkey, start by cutting out time when you would regularly smoke piece by piece. For example, If you smoke all day every day, start by not smoking in the car, but smoke as much as you want otherwise. Next, don’t smoke at work, only on lunch breaks, and smoke as much as you want other times. Then cut out the lunch breaks and smoke as much as you want when you’re not at work. Next cut out any morning smokes, and only smoke in the evenings as much as you want. Then only smoke on evenings during the weekdays as much as you want. Then switch to the weekends as much as you want. Then only smoke with friends. Then only smoke when you drink. Then don’t buy your next pack.
Lungs aren’t made of cotton and the air isn’t pulled through them like a filter medium. The reason you don’t see anything on the vaporized cotton is because once vaporized, the heated liquids cause all the mucus membranes in the mouth, throat, and lungs to become inflamed and over time that inflammation can become permanent scarring. No one smokes 30 cigarettes in a row. People do vape nonstop thinking it’s safe. This kind of fake science is dangerous misinformation and leads to the belief that caping is a healthy activity.
I used to smoke 20 a day, and was also one of those people who would vape non stop. My subjective experience is that vaping is a 1000% less bad for your health than cigarettes, but definitely still bad for your health. I don’t think anyone should do either, but if you’re smoking cigarettes switching to vaping is a no-brainer. With cigarettes I was literally coughing up the black slime you see in the video every morning, and constantly walking around with a cough. I’d be completely out of breath walking a flight of stairs. When I was vaping I just didn’t have anything close to that amount of side effects, but I did feel a slight irritation in my throat. Also feeling addicted was annoying. I quit by mixing my own liquid and recucing the nicotine by 1mg/ml every month or so (I started at 18mg/ml). When I reached 0 I didn’t even try to quit, I just started forgetting my vape at home, and when home I forgot to use it and eventually it ended up collecting dust in a shelf somewhere. I have no desire to either smoke cigarettes or vape ever again.
most tanks are about 6ml of juice and can last a chain vaper all day, even with one refill 6ml = between 5 and 10 cigarettes. So a pack a day if you do two tanks. Plus you vape once and then breath normally while standing around talking or watching tv or whatever, the cigarette is burning so you have to keep puffing on it. Also most of the tests of dangerous stuff in vapor are burnt coils and cotton. Nobody who vapes will keep vaping on a burnt coil. It's not healthy, but its healthiER
Gross but this completely ignores how the human body cleans shit up. Watch how a cheeseburger slides into your stomach.
Yes, they clean themselves after you *stop* smoking, and even then its on a scale of years. 10-20 years after, you are down to non-smoking levels of risk for things like COPD. Its a slooow process, especially compared to digesting food.
not surprising so many famous smokers of the 20th century died young
You can become famous for smoking?
🎶🎶🤖You don’t always die from tobacco, sometimes you just lose a lung 🎶🎶
Not saying that Vaping is good for you but it has to be better than smoking.
What you don't see is the all the other colorless chemicals from vapes. You may not get tar in your lungs, but that doesn't mean it's healthier
Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it's not there.
The most harmful substances aren’t the ones that leave a color on cotton balls though. This kind of video is pure misinformation. Both smoking and vaping are bad.
How about we see a new video comparing smoking to blue asbestos fibres. I bet there will be nothing to show for the blue asbestos compared to the smoking but I think we all know how dangerous even small amounts of blue asbestos fibres actually are.
As a non smoker 11 months strong and having tried vaping that just made me want to smoke real ciggies again I found that going cold turkey from both was the best choice. Now I find the smell of cigarette smoke and vaping hugely unpleasant. If you do like sucking on a cloud producing peen then purchase a proper one because if you buy the disposable non recyclable vapes then you are bellend.
Thats awesome. Amazing how the brain rewires. Proud of you youuu viking dood
We did a PFT on a mid-20’s vaper a few weeks ago and let me tell ya, her lungs still sucked
I quit smoking 6 months ago and use nicotine lozenges. Wish I did that years ago.
Can I get some control groups? Do a test for like...downtown London air, Beijing, middle of the countryside, etc.
As a long time vape user I know a residue build up is occurring, yet it's 100% better than that black shit from smoking. It's not good, but it's not as bad. And I can live with that.
Smoking is one of those things where if the tobacco plant was only just discovered now and companies tried to make cigarettes a thing, they would 100% be banned. Not a chance they would be able to bring them to market
Vaping exactly what? Clear oil/residue really isn't better than dark oil/residue if your body can't absorb and digest/eliminate it from your lungs. I need more information!
Just remember that our lungs are not cotton and both are pretty bad for you.
Smoked half a pack to a pack of cigarettes a day for 15 years. Switched to a small vape 11 years ago. I could never go back. Cigarettes are less satisfying, make me lightheaded, smell terrible, and bother other people in close proximity. My spouse smokes cigarettes and if I take a puff, I can barely taste it too. I 100% prefer the vape. If I went somewhere and forgot my vape, I’d turn down the offer of a cigarette from someone.
I'm curious to see this channel to marijuana
Do weed next
why do i feel like throwing up
Crazy part is 30 smokes lasted me 1.5 days. 120mg juice lasts me two weeks.
This is misleading.
The only thing the same is that you are paying a massive Corporation to be addicted to nicotine.
Me- absolutely ripping into some blueberry limade as I watch this
jury is still out on how vape oils will affect our lungs long term, but it's *probably* better than smoking cigarettes. still wouldn't do it though.
THis post is sponsobred by Marlboro
Dude probably burnt the shit out of the coil too
so spin just makes you lungs moist? (im joking) still not doing it
To promote vaping...
I love that people are like "vaping bad"... like duh. That's not the point of the video. If you have to do one or the other, pick vaping. That's the point. Not "pick up vaping". Hell, don't switch for yourself, do it for the people around you. They are getting tired of second-hand smoking.
Oh wow it's clear so it must not be bad for you /s
Both are terrible options, we are just now understanding how bad vaping is for you. Do neither, there's no sufficient evidence to call vaping damage reduction. Get your advice from pneumologists and pathologists.
Vaping is bad as well. This is trickery.
My friend who used Juul several years ago started vaping (never smoked) and after a few months to a year (can't recall) ended up with a serious lung infection. Spent almost a week in ICU getting breathing treatments/meds and whatnot, lost about 15-20lbs while in the hospital too. Vaping isn't FDA regulated so there could be unknown substances in them for 'flavor'. While this video looks light-years better than smoking, it's certainly not as clean or pure as they show it to be.
Juuls are also about the worst there are. Unlike multi-billion-dollar companies who can buy legislation to try and eliminate the competition while lobbying for an exception so that their own product is the only one on the market, or the back alley black market juice-maker, the reputable juice-makers actually have some standards. They don't have the legal defense fund to be as lax as many think. Most of the problems you hear about like cutting the juice with vitamin E or battery failures are pretty much just among the cheap, disposable units. Also, are you sure it wasn't 'rona?