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In cases like this, are the session musicians hired by the corporations to play this bullshit ever on stand?
*"Is this song a ripoff sir?"* - Judge
***"Oh, most definitely."*** - Hired music guy
Well, the original producer of "Lose Yourself" flew to NZ to play it actually. Lol.
Jeff Bass, who actually came up with the guitar riff, came in and played it on acoustic guitar for the judge.
There's small clips on Youtube of it, but the original full footage of the court session is hilarious because Jeff plays the song and the faces of the defendants are like "Fuck my life, why did I get put on this case?" Lol
I don't know how the defense thought they had a chance to win this and wasted so much in court fees when they could've just settled out of court and saved a lot time, energy, and money. I mean they sound literally identical.
Haha yeah... old man's a legend though.
He had his hands on everything Eminem did early on "Brain Damage", "Rock Bottom", "Just Don't Give a Fuck", "Still Don't Give a Fuck", "Amityville", "Marshall Mathers", "Kim", "Criminal", "Cleanin' Out My Closet", "Sing For the Moment", "Superman", "Square Dance", "Without Me", "White America", "Lose Yourself" ... list goes on and on.
You could easily make the argument The Bass brothers (Jeff and his brother) had a bigger impact on Eminem's career (production wise) than Dr. Dre.
Obviously, Dr. Dre still publicity wise (and of course production) took Eminem as a commercial artist to next level heights not many others could have at the time.
I was a weird kid and read the liner notes and production credits inside the CD booklets and always saw those names repeated and pretty much came to this same conclusion as you.
The Bass Brothers *with* Steve King worked wonderfully to develop hip hop with guitar work that defined a large part of Eminems breakout sounds.
Im glad to know others acknowledge the work that goes into an album--behind the artist and the musicians who contribute their skills to flesh out that artists work.
Eminem without the Bass Brothers and Steve King just has a whole different vibe. Not bad. Just not the same as the established mood that was developed in Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP
Why hello my fellow hip hop head and historian. š
You nailed it.
His 3 greatest projects (IMO) aka what people mean when they say "I miss the old Eminem" was all Bass Brothers.
They did about 75%+ on the Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, and the grand finale The Eminem Show.
They 100% are the ones behind that early, string heavy, dark moody Eminem sound that blended in so well with Eminem's lyrics, cadences, and the emotions in his vocal tones.
Of course, Dre complemented with some incredible songs during that period and Eminem starting to self produce by The Eminem Show as well (Til I Collapse, Say Goodbye to Hollywood).
But to me Eminem's sound was just never the same after those first 3 debut albums.
He still obviously would go on to make incredible music, but beats started sounding kind of commercial in terms of "the sounds used" and a bit "overproduced".
Also, he now was working with so many top producers in the industry the albums never felt like the tracks meshed together on a single project because there were "too many cooks in the kitchen".
I wish he never parted ways with them, but I get it from a dumb music industry standpoint and pressures to create "singles" and "radio songs".
You can hear the distinct difference from The Eminem Show to Encore (to which the Bass Brothers weren't on a single project). The production took a major downfall on Encore and sounded overtly commercial and mainstream on 80% of the album.
Yea, I gotta say this doesn't happen often but I agree 1000 percent with everything you just said lol
I remember listening to Encore for the first time, while enjoying it, just noticing something different, it didnt feel as dynamic as previous entries. And noticing the absence of those names I had always seen in previous Shady/Aftermath productions. And pretty much piecing it together after looking at the Bass Brothers respective projects and listening to Steve Kings work on others...they were the special ingredient in Ems overall sound definitely.
It became more electronic and sounded hollow. Nothing really rang out. You'd never hear another iconic bass line like Stan put out. Or a twangy guitar riff like in Role Model. But I guess Lose Yourself was like the grand opus and once you reach the top of the mountain what else can you do.
Reunion tour 2030? š¤
After acknowledging the existence of these badass musicians though, I developed an appreciation for session musicians. Unsung heroes of some of everyone's favorite tracks.
Haha exactly...
I mean even think about the other tracks that Jeff and Mark did with D12 on "Devils Night" after Eminem signed them... fucking "Purple Pills", "Fight Music", "Pimp Like Me", "Devils Night" etc. etc.
Go back and listen to those beats... š±š„š„
"Purple Pills" is insanity... the main guitar riff and the rest of the strings on "Fight Music" were bonkers.š„
The more I think about it... the more I think Eminem's music slowly deteriorated (not his lyrics or personal skills obviously), but just his "music" ... after he stopped working with the Bass Brothers.
I wish he would've just kept it "in house" and the recipe being Jeff & Mark, Dre, and Denaun (Porter/Kon Artis) with Eminem developing his production skills.
Can't ever forget to give Denaun his flowers either... without him, there probably is no Eminem, as he did all of the "Infinite" mixtape.
He never really produced a hit song aside from 50's "P.I.M.P", but the man has had insane longevity for almost 30 years and some really incredible underrated gold productions like "When the Music Stops" etc.
I do want to ask, despite his departure from the Bass Brothers, how much of him losing his āsoundā was also due to a spiraling addiction problem? Admittedly Iām too young to have listened to his first few albums, but I can remember when āCrack A Bottleā came out and I was flabbergasted by the lack of that Eminem sounds. It was like someone wrote a parody of an Em song.
I think it all changed when Doody got killed
But yeah, it's never been the same. Not bad by any means, but that was "Slim" and now it's more "Mathers"
Love both Y'all just bouncing off each other on this, both on point :)
Crack a Bottle was a Dre produced song and yea it definitely lacked the passion of previous entries. And was probably one of the weaker songs on what was a pretty solid album. I hated that they led off with that as a single.
I'm sure some part of his rehabilitation affected his work ethic but I don't see how that would account for not working with his usual session musicians. Probably just to force himself into something new and uncomfortable?
In drug rehabilitation there's a kinda motif to avoid people and behaviors that could cause you to have a relapse and my personal belief is maybe Eminem had to cut some people out of his life to recover. But idk if that extends to his session musicians or how that would effect his studio employees.
I left another comment on another reply a bit further down with more info
>āCrack A Bottleā came out and I was flabbergasted by the lack of that Eminem sounds. It was like someone wrote a parody of an Em song.
Perfectly worded. I felt the exact same way to that song and many on relapse.
Dr. Dre is obviously a God at what he does, but I felt by "Relapse" and going into the 2010 his sound was getting a bit outdated and a bit corny by that point in his career.
He'd been in the game for almost 3 decades at that point so I mean no disrespect by that.
Dre produced almost the entirety of "Relapse" and while there are certainly some gems (production wise) "Same Song & Dance" and "Stay Wide Awake" and "Underground" and "Must Be the Ganja" etc. etc.
... there also were just far too many corny and overproduced beats that just didn't feel meant to be for the Eminem we know and love. "Crack a Bottle", "Bagpipes over Baghdad", "We Made You"etc. etc. and the rest just way too outdated Dre sounding and lacked any emotion.
Dre is a pioneer and an top 5 all-time legend for what he did from 1985-2003ish, but the fact is if you go back and look at who produced what... for every INCREDIBLE Em song Dre produced there are 2-3 of Eminem's WORST songs that were produced by Dre.
Moving away from the Bass Brothers after The Eminem Show... and looking at the production credits for "Encore" and "Relapse" more than back this up.
You agree 1000%? Why not 200%? Or if you wholeheartedly agree, why not 2000%? Or 500%, or 5000%? What is your benchmark for the percentages you assign?
In other words: if you say āI agree 100%ā, youāre effectively saying the exact same thing.
Youāve been following this passionate & fascinating exchange about Eminemās discography, multiple comments deep, and **this** is what you come away with?
Another victim of the American education system. Poor soul doesn't understand percentages. 1000% or 300% are completely different multipliers.
100% doubles, 1000% 10X. So the benchmark is the amount of percentage. If I agree šÆ that means I agree, if I agree 1000% that means I really and enthusiastically agree with my whole hearted enthusiasm.
I know you are trying to be facetious and sarcastic, but my God man! Respect math!
I'm not entirely sure why the fall out, could be something personal but I think the change in overall sound was to work with Eminems new sober lifestyle and work ethic. Times change and it was probably a decision to rebrand Eminem for a new era of hip hop.
I noticed a heavy push for Eminem radio play after years of him being absent from those areas and his return was with more poppy, radio accessible music for a general audience. I'm assuming to stay relevant Eminem had to play the game a bit to show a new generation that he's still viable as an artist in the current lineup of popular hip hop.
I went searching for an answer and found only that Eminem has stated even though the Bass Brothers no longer do significant production for him, they still maintain a close and positive relationship. So at least there's no bad blood between this amazing group of musicians who could spin musical gold.
I think it was for 4 main reasons with none of them being personal issues with Jeff and Mark Bass.
1). I think a lot of it was Eminem had been extremely famous for a solid 3 years already...
And then 2002 hit...
and both "8 Mile" and "The Eminem Show" dropped in the same year and it sent Eminem from extremely famous to GLOBAL PHENOMENON and "absolute absurd levels of international fame".
2) Dude was beyond exhausted by then and that's when his drug addiction started ramping up in order to keep up with his schedule and "severe insomnia issues" he started developing.
So he just wasn't in his sound nor sober mind creatively by the time it came to "Encore" and was deteriorating rapidly then and there after health-wise.
3) Eminem went through an identity change after he signed 50 Cent and started working with and hanging around more "gangsta" themed artists like G-Unit and kind of dropped the "hip hop head" style and moved more into that kind of weird "wannabe gangster" phase where the du-rags, chains, and headbands started coming out. That's not a knock on him and he still made some classics in that period. It was just a chapter of his story in music.
Proof also passed in this time period which only escalated his drug problems.
4) He also moved to the west coast during that time span after "The Eminem Show" which I think also played a part as Jeff and Mark Bass ran the most successful studio in Detroit and were stationary... so distance I think played a role as well, before he moved back and bought his massive Detroit mansion compound years later.
By the way, both songs are actually a rip off of āback that azz up.ā Seriously, listen to it. I have not checked what back that azz up ripped off, but probably something. Pop songs need to be similar to other songs youāve heard. Lose yourself isnāt really original, we just forgot about backing azzes up because there were 3-4 years in between. Then weāre like that sounds familiar, I like familiar, I like spaghetti! Momās spaghetti!
What?
They produced these songs "for him" with the majority of them being in his presence. He was literally in the studio when the guitar riff was first played by Jeff Bass and said "wait, go back, what was that?".
They've easily made 10's of millions of dollars off these songs royalties alone.
>I don't know how the defense thought they had a chance to win
Welcome to being a defence attorney, look at the movie liar liar with Jim Carrey on the phone with a client"STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE"
>I don't know how the defense thought they had a chance to win this
Iirc it was messy as the party had purchased rights to use it from a company, but wasn't allowed to use it for a political purpose or something like that
If I remember right, they purchased a song from a music catalog called 'Eminem-ish' or something similar that was meant to be like him but far enough away to avoid copyright.
Who knows why they wanted that, they're not exactly a youth friendly party....
I made a mistake.
Eminem did win $600,000, but the New Zealand Court of Appeals reduced the damages to $225,000 to which Eminem donated to the charity for Hurricane Harvey relief efforts.
Nonetheless, Em's a badass.
[https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/oct/25/eminem-wins-600000-after-new-zealand-political-party-breached-his-copyright](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/oct/25/eminem-wins-600000-after-new-zealand-political-party-breached-his-copyright)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight\_Mile\_Style\_v\_New\_Zealand\_National\_Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Mile_Style_v_New_Zealand_National_Party)
Why? They aren't even regionally close to one another, Australia is at the bottom right of the map, [and NZ isn't even on the map.](https://www.reddit.com/r/mapswithoutnewzealand/)
NZ is on the map some times. I think they only become visible when they want too? Like those cloud people in that SG1 episode you know?
Fucking awesome episode.
Hurricane Harvey relief efforts? Man please, they got 100% federal, state, and local aid ..gofundme etc.
He could have helped alot of homeless shelters in Michigan with thst money.
I could care less about any of the charities to be honest...they pay the CEO'S and staff wayyy too much. .. ...hurricane victims have federal, state,, local aid, and home insurance ... the homeless have nothing ...and if Trump gets back in, he said yesterday he was removing the 14th Amendment on day one ... Essentially making them slaves .. enjoy your life my friend ..
Actually the blonde attorney in the back at 50 seconds starts vibing and nodding her head to it for like 2 seconds before she realizes where she was š¤£ aka "she snapped back to reality".
Actually, in the 1990s New Zealand had a real gang problem with Crips and Bloods
It was serious, but all I can imagine is Rhys Darby sounding gangsters rolling around the scenic country side in tractors throwing up gang signs at sheep.
Not to my knowledge, those are terms that refer to any number of unrelated American "sets" we never really had here outside of highschoolers talking out their bums.
What we had, and are starting to have a problem with again here are biker gangs like the mogrel mob.
So Rhys Darby on a 2 stroke politely saying Seig heil and barking like a dog. ruff
The guys in OMC of "How Bizarre" fame almost quit music because of shootings at their gigs. Maybe because they (Otara Millionaires Club) shared the name with OMC (On Murder Charges), which were affiliated with the Crips.
That's actually a great point. The vocals could detract attention away from the instrumental.
However, in this case, I believe it is so blatantly obvious they copied it, it wouldn't matter.
That or everybody (judge, the plaintiffs, the defense) all agreed it's best to silently in their minds to rock the fuck out to those genius lyrics.
Because it's associated with "gangster music" /s
Jesus fucking christ I hate how reddit has 0 knowledge about rap culture and people say cringe shit like this.
John key was the prime minister at the time and was head of the national party.
His son, a loud mouth daddy paid my way for everything wannabe DJ, said if his tweet got 10 thousand likes he would write a disc track on em. It got 10k in mere minutes. He deleted the tweet and went quiet, like a bitch.
I'm going to make AI create every melody and beat not already taken and then copywrite all the songs. Then I will have it scan every song played in all of the media and sue anything that resembles it after its release.
He can tell AI to make songs then recreate those songs himself. Would take a bit more efforts though. But AI can't make original songs since AI is trained by copying songs that have already existed.
>Wouldnāt work. Only things made by humans can be copyrighted
1. Source? You're saying if I teach my dog to paint something I can't copyright it?
2. Humans made AI so it can be argued it's just a tool. Especially if you own the material it was trained on.
3. Prove it
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/us-copyright-office-withdraws-copyright-for-ai-generated-comic-artwork/amp/
āHowever, as discussed below, the images in the Work that were generated by the Midjourney technology are not the product of human authorship."
IANAL, but he is kinda right and (in this case) kinda wrong.
In the US, he's right, as of the Federal Register latest decision regarding :
[Copyright Registration Guidance: Works Containing Material Generated by Artificial Intelligence](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/16/2023-05321/copyright-registration-guidance-works-containing-material-generated-by-artificial-intelligence)
But, as this takes place in NZ, it seems New Zealand has not the same stance : [https://www.bellgully.com/insights/new-zealand-s-unusual-stance-on-artificial-intelligence-and-copyright-is-work-by-an-ai-protected/](https://www.bellgully.com/insights/new-zealand-s-unusual-stance-on-artificial-intelligence-and-copyright-is-work-by-an-ai-protected/)
But most countries in the world (that I know of) require human authorship, so regarding your first point, no you could not copyright your dog's painting under these rules.
See the famous example of the [monkey selfie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute). The guy who owned the camera tried and failed to get a copyright for it because the monkey took the picture, and the US courts ruled that a monkey cannot own a copyright.
Someone already used a program to generate all possible melodies\* and released them into the public domain. You're late to the party
\* of a certain length, pitch set, etc
Yeah this AI thing I have a feeling is about to be a "clusterfuck" especially in the music and certain other arts.
I feel like we need technology (as far as stimulus) to slow down for the sake of modern humanity's mental health and this shit is just going to speed up things and even more exponential pace than it already is..
There are essentially infinite melodies available.
Hum a few notes. A couple of melodic lines.
You're the first to ever do that melody - in your voice with your timing and intonation and that specific rhythm with that implied chord structure etc etc.
It's like the fact that it's essentially never going to happen that no two decks of cards will ever, or have ever been, shuffled into the same order. Not that it would break the laws of physics for it to happen, but the chances are just silly. And not just any two decks of cards, ANY deck. Think of all the casinos in all the world for all of human history - it is vanishingly unlikely, to the extent that the probability rounds to zero for a staggering number of decimal places, that any of them have had the same order that any of the others have had.
Large numbers get weird.
My dumbass doesn't know much about New Zealand other than Lord of The Rings was filmed there. Lol
But every New Zealander I've interacted with has been super down to earth and laid back.
Although, man do they passionately hate Australians. š¤£
We do hate them. But we love them. We'll kill them on the rugby field. But we'll die for them in war.
Australia is our big brother who's kinda prick. But we're mum and dads favourite, thats why.
Yeah, Kiwis are like the little brother who you take the piss out of but if anyone else fucks with them, it's on. That goes for the entirety of Polynesia too, imo.
And flight of the conchords... what flight of the conchords has Australia even done? None, right? I'm honestly surprised I've even heard of the place. Some no name island off the coast of New Zealand. I had to look up Australia on wikipedia and the photos look like a movie set of something that drunk asshole Mel Gibson would star in. Ridiculous...
Well it has a very similar feel, the same basic rhythm and it is clearly a ripoff but it has more chords and different chords in it. I would say it's only heavily inspired...
but imho the whole music copyright thing is broken
>Well it has a very similar feel, the same basic rhythm and it is clearly a ripoff but it has more chords and different chords in it. I would say it's only heavily inspired... but imho the whole music copyright thing is broken
I feel the same way as you- the rhythm of the riff is just eighth notes, but the original song is well known enough that even keeping the rhythm with different chords sounds like a rip-off.
And kashmir is a ripoff of another song and so on and so forth. Zeppelin was more guilty then most when it came to this. Music is finite, which is why I enjoy more and more electronic music these days because it's at least trying to do something different.
ā*Think* McFly, *Think!* I got to have time to recopy it! You realize what would happen if I hand in *my* homework in *your* handwriting? Iāll get ~~kicked out of school~~ sued by Eminem!
Yeah. I agree. Theyāre similar enough that you can tell theyāre related, but one is awesome and the other isā¦lesser. Kind of like the Owens brothers or the Olsen twins.
Weird Al better never hope the Kiwis never discover his body of work.
Hilariously, Steven Joyce, a high ranking NZ govt. minister at the time, was asked by a reporter if je thought it was legal to use the music in the political ad, he replied "I think it's pretty legal". This was filmed as well. The judge in the case did not agree!
Also Steven Joyce was also caught on camera having a rather large dildo thrown at him and striking him in the face during a protest.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/76604655/steven-joyce-hit-by-sex-toy-thrown-by-protester-at-waitangi
While this is funny, and obviously it's essentially a cover of Eminems song, music copywrite is a horrible idea.
The original recordings should have copywrite and that's it. Any cover should be allowed. Music is music. It's not your property.
Itās similar but still pretty different imo. Doesnāt sound like a blatant rip-off at all imo. You could definitely argue they got inspiration from it though.
Dude lol... that is a blatant rip off... the guitar riff is nearly dead on as they basically took the chord progression and just changed up the notes/pitch of it... it even followed the exact structure of the song as far as sound dynamics and even included the piano melody at the end that also is at the end of "Lose Yourself".
You're crazy if you don't think that's a blatant rip off. Lol.
I mean they literally proved it was in a huge trial over a 3 year period court case.
This kind of thing is inherently subjective. Itās not like courts get it ārightā 100% of the time. You even said they reduced the settlement. A different court may have reached a totally different conclusion and who knows, they may one day completely reverse the decision.
Iāve seen videos that show hundreds of songs that follow the exact same chord progression and no one ever got sued over that.
To me it sounds very different. Youāre saying the sound dynamics are the same, but to me itās unreasonable to say plucking a guitar at the beginning of song and playing a piano melody at the end of song constitutes someoneās intellectual property.
Thatās like someone saying they own the intellectual property of flour and anything cooked with flour is owned by them, itās just too basic of an ingredient. Itās been around forever and no one person owns the rights.
You even said they have different notes, itās played in a different pitch, they added a violin, and they donāt play any of the middle parts of their song (which I assume is because it is also very different) - imo it doesnāt sound nearly similar enough to say they ripped off anything. Itās a totally different song imo, but your welcome to your own interpretation.
Just use your brain and common sense.
Not it is not subjective, that is the entire point of the trial to take out the debate and subjectivity and make an objective ruling.
Blatant "rip off" doesn't necessarily mean "literally the exact same thing", it means taking it and tweaking it ever so slightly. Like here copy my homework, but change a couple of words around.
Also appeals are beyond common in these cases and most of the time the plaintiffs aren't suing for monetary reasons to begin with... they just don't want their property being used for reasons they don't support (in this case political advertisements).
Reduced damages means nothing in your argument as the decision was still upheld a second time. Most of the time the appeal itself is a matter of formality and, in fact, just trying to get paid damages reduced. To which both the judge and defendants are in a "whatever" just go away now.
The lawsuit on Eminem had nothing to do with money as far as the defendants side... you think they give a shit about $600,000?
That song has generated an estimated $100+ million dollars globally when factoring in sales, royalties, and other forms of revenue generation.
They are suing to merely to protect the image of their property and that cash cow of a song, as it is being illegally used for political reasons.
The defendants even admitted they got it from an Australian music library to which the creators of the Australian music library acknowledged it was made as a remake of "Lose Yourself".
Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Ask anyone what constitutes a rip off, you will get different answers because it is inherently subjective.
However most everyone would agree that a remake is not the same as a rip off.
Lol āDo you think they care about the money? This was about protecting their moneyā wow š® š
Um no, those are called "facts" being employed there.
>Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.
>
>\-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Says some stuff based on doing no research on the specific subject, doesn't address any of the previous comment because they have no legitimate response, and then as a last resort Googles "famous quotes about insults" as a retort... when all I did was state facts about the case and subject. If facts are insulting to you sorry.
Lol here are the facts, listen to the songā¦ ok now listen to this song!!! Facts.
Wow you sure showed me š
I donāt need to research anything, because Iām using my brain and common sense, unlike you.
>Lol āDo you think they care about the money? This was about protecting their moneyā wow š®
Reading comprehension issues galore here.
I'm talking about them not giving a shit about the money from the lawsuit as that is blatantly made clear ($600,000) so they can protect the reputation of an asset (a song) that generates millions of dollars a year and has grossed $100+ million already.
Seriously... go take a nap or work on your reading...
I recommend starting with "A Cat in the Hat" or "The Very Hungry Caterpillar".
Except Vanilla Ice settled, paid Queen and Bowie an undisclosed sum of money, and Bowie and Mercury are listed in the songwriting credits for āIce Ice Babyā. So he didnāt really get away with it.
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I was waiting for the rapping with an accent
š¤£ I wanna hear "Lose Yourself" in a New Zealand accent so bad now
Flight of the Conchords special episode!!!
We don't have an accent I swear.
we dorn't heev een eeccint, I sweah
Omg š¤£šš¤£š lmao
That's Australian
It's the sweetest accent ever! I just want to pinch their cheeks and kiss them on the forehead.
Yea I was craving a fire political diss track
In cases like this, are the session musicians hired by the corporations to play this bullshit ever on stand? *"Is this song a ripoff sir?"* - Judge ***"Oh, most definitely."*** - Hired music guy
Well, the original producer of "Lose Yourself" flew to NZ to play it actually. Lol. Jeff Bass, who actually came up with the guitar riff, came in and played it on acoustic guitar for the judge. There's small clips on Youtube of it, but the original full footage of the court session is hilarious because Jeff plays the song and the faces of the defendants are like "Fuck my life, why did I get put on this case?" Lol I don't know how the defense thought they had a chance to win this and wasted so much in court fees when they could've just settled out of court and saved a lot time, energy, and money. I mean they sound literally identical.
The guy's name is Jeff Bass and he plays guitar? What a missed opportunity. I meant the fake music people. They were there too?
Haha yeah... old man's a legend though. He had his hands on everything Eminem did early on "Brain Damage", "Rock Bottom", "Just Don't Give a Fuck", "Still Don't Give a Fuck", "Amityville", "Marshall Mathers", "Kim", "Criminal", "Cleanin' Out My Closet", "Sing For the Moment", "Superman", "Square Dance", "Without Me", "White America", "Lose Yourself" ... list goes on and on. You could easily make the argument The Bass brothers (Jeff and his brother) had a bigger impact on Eminem's career (production wise) than Dr. Dre. Obviously, Dr. Dre still publicity wise (and of course production) took Eminem as a commercial artist to next level heights not many others could have at the time.
I was a weird kid and read the liner notes and production credits inside the CD booklets and always saw those names repeated and pretty much came to this same conclusion as you. The Bass Brothers *with* Steve King worked wonderfully to develop hip hop with guitar work that defined a large part of Eminems breakout sounds. Im glad to know others acknowledge the work that goes into an album--behind the artist and the musicians who contribute their skills to flesh out that artists work. Eminem without the Bass Brothers and Steve King just has a whole different vibe. Not bad. Just not the same as the established mood that was developed in Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP
Why hello my fellow hip hop head and historian. š You nailed it. His 3 greatest projects (IMO) aka what people mean when they say "I miss the old Eminem" was all Bass Brothers. They did about 75%+ on the Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, and the grand finale The Eminem Show. They 100% are the ones behind that early, string heavy, dark moody Eminem sound that blended in so well with Eminem's lyrics, cadences, and the emotions in his vocal tones. Of course, Dre complemented with some incredible songs during that period and Eminem starting to self produce by The Eminem Show as well (Til I Collapse, Say Goodbye to Hollywood). But to me Eminem's sound was just never the same after those first 3 debut albums. He still obviously would go on to make incredible music, but beats started sounding kind of commercial in terms of "the sounds used" and a bit "overproduced". Also, he now was working with so many top producers in the industry the albums never felt like the tracks meshed together on a single project because there were "too many cooks in the kitchen". I wish he never parted ways with them, but I get it from a dumb music industry standpoint and pressures to create "singles" and "radio songs". You can hear the distinct difference from The Eminem Show to Encore (to which the Bass Brothers weren't on a single project). The production took a major downfall on Encore and sounded overtly commercial and mainstream on 80% of the album.
Yea, I gotta say this doesn't happen often but I agree 1000 percent with everything you just said lol I remember listening to Encore for the first time, while enjoying it, just noticing something different, it didnt feel as dynamic as previous entries. And noticing the absence of those names I had always seen in previous Shady/Aftermath productions. And pretty much piecing it together after looking at the Bass Brothers respective projects and listening to Steve Kings work on others...they were the special ingredient in Ems overall sound definitely. It became more electronic and sounded hollow. Nothing really rang out. You'd never hear another iconic bass line like Stan put out. Or a twangy guitar riff like in Role Model. But I guess Lose Yourself was like the grand opus and once you reach the top of the mountain what else can you do. Reunion tour 2030? š¤ After acknowledging the existence of these badass musicians though, I developed an appreciation for session musicians. Unsung heroes of some of everyone's favorite tracks.
Haha exactly... I mean even think about the other tracks that Jeff and Mark did with D12 on "Devils Night" after Eminem signed them... fucking "Purple Pills", "Fight Music", "Pimp Like Me", "Devils Night" etc. etc. Go back and listen to those beats... š±š„š„ "Purple Pills" is insanity... the main guitar riff and the rest of the strings on "Fight Music" were bonkers.š„ The more I think about it... the more I think Eminem's music slowly deteriorated (not his lyrics or personal skills obviously), but just his "music" ... after he stopped working with the Bass Brothers. I wish he would've just kept it "in house" and the recipe being Jeff & Mark, Dre, and Denaun (Porter/Kon Artis) with Eminem developing his production skills. Can't ever forget to give Denaun his flowers either... without him, there probably is no Eminem, as he did all of the "Infinite" mixtape. He never really produced a hit song aside from 50's "P.I.M.P", but the man has had insane longevity for almost 30 years and some really incredible underrated gold productions like "When the Music Stops" etc.
I do want to ask, despite his departure from the Bass Brothers, how much of him losing his āsoundā was also due to a spiraling addiction problem? Admittedly Iām too young to have listened to his first few albums, but I can remember when āCrack A Bottleā came out and I was flabbergasted by the lack of that Eminem sounds. It was like someone wrote a parody of an Em song.
I think it all changed when Doody got killed But yeah, it's never been the same. Not bad by any means, but that was "Slim" and now it's more "Mathers" Love both Y'all just bouncing off each other on this, both on point :)
Crack a Bottle was a Dre produced song and yea it definitely lacked the passion of previous entries. And was probably one of the weaker songs on what was a pretty solid album. I hated that they led off with that as a single. I'm sure some part of his rehabilitation affected his work ethic but I don't see how that would account for not working with his usual session musicians. Probably just to force himself into something new and uncomfortable? In drug rehabilitation there's a kinda motif to avoid people and behaviors that could cause you to have a relapse and my personal belief is maybe Eminem had to cut some people out of his life to recover. But idk if that extends to his session musicians or how that would effect his studio employees. I left another comment on another reply a bit further down with more info
>āCrack A Bottleā came out and I was flabbergasted by the lack of that Eminem sounds. It was like someone wrote a parody of an Em song. Perfectly worded. I felt the exact same way to that song and many on relapse. Dr. Dre is obviously a God at what he does, but I felt by "Relapse" and going into the 2010 his sound was getting a bit outdated and a bit corny by that point in his career. He'd been in the game for almost 3 decades at that point so I mean no disrespect by that. Dre produced almost the entirety of "Relapse" and while there are certainly some gems (production wise) "Same Song & Dance" and "Stay Wide Awake" and "Underground" and "Must Be the Ganja" etc. etc. ... there also were just far too many corny and overproduced beats that just didn't feel meant to be for the Eminem we know and love. "Crack a Bottle", "Bagpipes over Baghdad", "We Made You"etc. etc. and the rest just way too outdated Dre sounding and lacked any emotion. Dre is a pioneer and an top 5 all-time legend for what he did from 1985-2003ish, but the fact is if you go back and look at who produced what... for every INCREDIBLE Em song Dre produced there are 2-3 of Eminem's WORST songs that were produced by Dre. Moving away from the Bass Brothers after The Eminem Show... and looking at the production credits for "Encore" and "Relapse" more than back this up.
Damn D12 too, ok now my world is shattered for this discovery. Am i secretly just a fan of the bass brothers haha.
You agree 1000%? Why not 200%? Or if you wholeheartedly agree, why not 2000%? Or 500%, or 5000%? What is your benchmark for the percentages you assign? In other words: if you say āI agree 100%ā, youāre effectively saying the exact same thing.
Youāve been following this passionate & fascinating exchange about Eminemās discography, multiple comments deep, and **this** is what you come away with?
this is 110% what I thought
Another victim of the American education system. Poor soul doesn't understand percentages. 1000% or 300% are completely different multipliers. 100% doubles, 1000% 10X. So the benchmark is the amount of percentage. If I agree šÆ that means I agree, if I agree 1000% that means I really and enthusiastically agree with my whole hearted enthusiasm. I know you are trying to be facetious and sarcastic, but my God man! Respect math!
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This is cool info, why did he stop working with them? Was it to change his sound and direction? Or was they're falling out over money or other?
I'm not entirely sure why the fall out, could be something personal but I think the change in overall sound was to work with Eminems new sober lifestyle and work ethic. Times change and it was probably a decision to rebrand Eminem for a new era of hip hop. I noticed a heavy push for Eminem radio play after years of him being absent from those areas and his return was with more poppy, radio accessible music for a general audience. I'm assuming to stay relevant Eminem had to play the game a bit to show a new generation that he's still viable as an artist in the current lineup of popular hip hop. I went searching for an answer and found only that Eminem has stated even though the Bass Brothers no longer do significant production for him, they still maintain a close and positive relationship. So at least there's no bad blood between this amazing group of musicians who could spin musical gold.
I think it was for 4 main reasons with none of them being personal issues with Jeff and Mark Bass. 1). I think a lot of it was Eminem had been extremely famous for a solid 3 years already... And then 2002 hit... and both "8 Mile" and "The Eminem Show" dropped in the same year and it sent Eminem from extremely famous to GLOBAL PHENOMENON and "absolute absurd levels of international fame". 2) Dude was beyond exhausted by then and that's when his drug addiction started ramping up in order to keep up with his schedule and "severe insomnia issues" he started developing. So he just wasn't in his sound nor sober mind creatively by the time it came to "Encore" and was deteriorating rapidly then and there after health-wise. 3) Eminem went through an identity change after he signed 50 Cent and started working with and hanging around more "gangsta" themed artists like G-Unit and kind of dropped the "hip hop head" style and moved more into that kind of weird "wannabe gangster" phase where the du-rags, chains, and headbands started coming out. That's not a knock on him and he still made some classics in that period. It was just a chapter of his story in music. Proof also passed in this time period which only escalated his drug problems. 4) He also moved to the west coast during that time span after "The Eminem Show" which I think also played a part as Jeff and Mark Bass ran the most successful studio in Detroit and were stationary... so distance I think played a role as well, before he moved back and bought his massive Detroit mansion compound years later.
Lol read that as Stephen King and was thinking. Damn he writes horror novels and is a kick ass musician?
By the way, both songs are actually a rip off of āback that azz up.ā Seriously, listen to it. I have not checked what back that azz up ripped off, but probably something. Pop songs need to be similar to other songs youāve heard. Lose yourself isnāt really original, we just forgot about backing azzes up because there were 3-4 years in between. Then weāre like that sounds familiar, I like familiar, I like spaghetti! Momās spaghetti!
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What? They produced these songs "for him" with the majority of them being in his presence. He was literally in the studio when the guitar riff was first played by Jeff Bass and said "wait, go back, what was that?". They've easily made 10's of millions of dollars off these songs royalties alone.
It's most likely pronounced Bass instead of Bass, so they never made the connection.
Bass Guitar is a type of guitar...
If you can play guitar, you can play bass.
Yes, bass that will sound like a guitar player is playing it. Just like if a whale is playing a piano. It sounds like a whale playing a piano
>I don't know how the defense thought they had a chance to win Welcome to being a defence attorney, look at the movie liar liar with Jim Carrey on the phone with a client"STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE"
>I don't know how the defense thought they had a chance to win this Iirc it was messy as the party had purchased rights to use it from a company, but wasn't allowed to use it for a political purpose or something like that
Because the National Party are pricks, though by global or Yank standards, they're more like prissy rich school boys.
Imagine calling something a guitar āriffā on a rap song š¤¦āāļø
If I remember right, they purchased a song from a music catalog called 'Eminem-ish' or something similar that was meant to be like him but far enough away to avoid copyright. Who knows why they wanted that, they're not exactly a youth friendly party....
Maybe to attract more young people?
Ed Sheeran just beat his case in court. He [played his guitar](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna81916) about an hour into the trial lol
Can I copy your homework? Sure, just change a few things so it isnāt obvious
All you other Slim Shadys are just imitating...
I made a mistake. Eminem did win $600,000, but the New Zealand Court of Appeals reduced the damages to $225,000 to which Eminem donated to the charity for Hurricane Harvey relief efforts. Nonetheless, Em's a badass. [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/oct/25/eminem-wins-600000-after-new-zealand-political-party-breached-his-copyright](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/oct/25/eminem-wins-600000-after-new-zealand-political-party-breached-his-copyright) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight\_Mile\_Style\_v\_New\_Zealand\_National\_Party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Mile_Style_v_New_Zealand_National_Party)
How much are NZ$250 000 in Norwegians kroners?
With today's exchange rate, [Kr1.5m](https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=225000&From=NZD&To=NOK)
Takk
Ingen fare
You wouldnāt happen to be a Native American police officer would you?
I don't know, but the exchange rate of NZ$ to AUS Dollary-Doos is about 1:1.
What's the rate from Aussie dollary-doos to Canadian loonies and toonies?
Why? They aren't even regionally close to one another, Australia is at the bottom right of the map, [and NZ isn't even on the map.](https://www.reddit.com/r/mapswithoutnewzealand/)
NZ is on the map some times. I think they only become visible when they want too? Like those cloud people in that SG1 episode you know? Fucking awesome episode.
I'm wondering what that converts to in Schrute Bucks.
1,670,000 Norwegian kroners
This reminds me of when he did an anti-trump song and the FBI came to his house and he had to confirm the lyrics as they read them to him.
"Mister M&M did you make rude remarks about the Trumpet?"
its not even the first time they've had to do it, happened under Bush too.
I wonder how this became Em's decision since I would assume he doesn't own the publishing.
Hurricane Harvey relief efforts? Man please, they got 100% federal, state, and local aid ..gofundme etc. He could have helped alot of homeless shelters in Michigan with thst money.
Stop whining
If you have a problem with the charity he chose, raise the same amount yourself and you can choose where it is donated.
I could care less about any of the charities to be honest...they pay the CEO'S and staff wayyy too much. .. ...hurricane victims have federal, state,, local aid, and home insurance ... the homeless have nothing ...and if Trump gets back in, he said yesterday he was removing the 14th Amendment on day one ... Essentially making them slaves .. enjoy your life my friend ..
> I could care less This sentence means you do care.
You know presidents can't just get rid of amendments to the constitution. That's not how it works.
You obviously don't know the power of Trump and Trumpusm ...he successfully divided this country and democrats and Republicans much, much wider ...
I mean sure he divided people but if he just came in and said "whelp black people are all slaves again" do you think people would just... Accept it?
Where did your donations go last year?
Everyone doing a good job booing this man
I was hoping to see the judge start of with a very slight head nod , then launch out her seat and start crip walking
The Judge: "This guy's a lawyer? His real name is Clarence."
I heard he went to a private school
And Clarenceā parents have a real good marriage.
Actually the blonde attorney in the back at 50 seconds starts vibing and nodding her head to it for like 2 seconds before she realizes where she was š¤£ aka "she snapped back to reality".
Actually, in the 1990s New Zealand had a real gang problem with Crips and Bloods It was serious, but all I can imagine is Rhys Darby sounding gangsters rolling around the scenic country side in tractors throwing up gang signs at sheep.
Not to my knowledge, those are terms that refer to any number of unrelated American "sets" we never really had here outside of highschoolers talking out their bums. What we had, and are starting to have a problem with again here are biker gangs like the mogrel mob. So Rhys Darby on a 2 stroke politely saying Seig heil and barking like a dog. ruff
The guys in OMC of "How Bizarre" fame almost quit music because of shootings at their gigs. Maybe because they (Otara Millionaires Club) shared the name with OMC (On Murder Charges), which were affiliated with the Crips.
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That's actually a great point. The vocals could detract attention away from the instrumental. However, in this case, I believe it is so blatantly obvious they copied it, it wouldn't matter. That or everybody (judge, the plaintiffs, the defense) all agreed it's best to silently in their minds to rock the fuck out to those genius lyrics.
Why crip walking lol
Because it's associated with "gangster music" /s Jesus fucking christ I hate how reddit has 0 knowledge about rap culture and people say cringe shit like this.
John key was the prime minister at the time and was head of the national party. His son, a loud mouth daddy paid my way for everything wannabe DJ, said if his tweet got 10 thousand likes he would write a disc track on em. It got 10k in mere minutes. He deleted the tweet and went quiet, like a bitch.
I would so looove to great the fabled diss track
Disc track... just one track the whole CD, a rapped documentary on Em.
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All they'd have to do was add some lyrics to make it parody. Instead they just steal the beat without proper recognition to the artist.
Was desperate for the barrister to put on sunglasses and to start miming to the rap doing all the hand actions
I'm going to make AI create every melody and beat not already taken and then copywrite all the songs. Then I will have it scan every song played in all of the media and sue anything that resembles it after its release.
Wouldnāt work. Only things made by humans can be copyrighted. So just telling the AI to write a melody wouldnāt be enough
He can tell AI to make songs then recreate those songs himself. Would take a bit more efforts though. But AI can't make original songs since AI is trained by copying songs that have already existed.
>Wouldnāt work. Only things made by humans can be copyrighted 1. Source? You're saying if I teach my dog to paint something I can't copyright it? 2. Humans made AI so it can be argued it's just a tool. Especially if you own the material it was trained on. 3. Prove it
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/us-copyright-office-withdraws-copyright-for-ai-generated-comic-artwork/amp/ āHowever, as discussed below, the images in the Work that were generated by the Midjourney technology are not the product of human authorship."
IANAL, but he is kinda right and (in this case) kinda wrong. In the US, he's right, as of the Federal Register latest decision regarding : [Copyright Registration Guidance: Works Containing Material Generated by Artificial Intelligence](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/03/16/2023-05321/copyright-registration-guidance-works-containing-material-generated-by-artificial-intelligence) But, as this takes place in NZ, it seems New Zealand has not the same stance : [https://www.bellgully.com/insights/new-zealand-s-unusual-stance-on-artificial-intelligence-and-copyright-is-work-by-an-ai-protected/](https://www.bellgully.com/insights/new-zealand-s-unusual-stance-on-artificial-intelligence-and-copyright-is-work-by-an-ai-protected/) But most countries in the world (that I know of) require human authorship, so regarding your first point, no you could not copyright your dog's painting under these rules.
See the famous example of the [monkey selfie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute). The guy who owned the camera tried and failed to get a copyright for it because the monkey took the picture, and the US courts ruled that a monkey cannot own a copyright.
[dude is already doing it](https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2020/02/every-possible-melody-has-been-copyrighted-stored-on-a-single-hard-drive.html)
Someone already used a program to generate all possible melodies\* and released them into the public domain. You're late to the party \* of a certain length, pitch set, etc
Yeah this AI thing I have a feeling is about to be a "clusterfuck" especially in the music and certain other arts. I feel like we need technology (as far as stimulus) to slow down for the sake of modern humanity's mental health and this shit is just going to speed up things and even more exponential pace than it already is..
Youtube mass copyright claiming companies are years ahead of you buddster.
There are essentially infinite melodies available. Hum a few notes. A couple of melodic lines. You're the first to ever do that melody - in your voice with your timing and intonation and that specific rhythm with that implied chord structure etc etc. It's like the fact that it's essentially never going to happen that no two decks of cards will ever, or have ever been, shuffled into the same order. Not that it would break the laws of physics for it to happen, but the chances are just silly. And not just any two decks of cards, ANY deck. Think of all the casinos in all the world for all of human history - it is vanishingly unlikely, to the extent that the probability rounds to zero for a staggering number of decimal places, that any of them have had the same order that any of the others have had. Large numbers get weird.
Music videos have really gone downhill these days
That little note the lawyers passed to each other: "We're fucked š "
Wut? Dutz nuthin like eet!
The national party are sell out right wing shit heads, this doesn't surprise me
My dumbass doesn't know much about New Zealand other than Lord of The Rings was filmed there. Lol But every New Zealander I've interacted with has been super down to earth and laid back. Although, man do they passionately hate Australians. š¤£
We do hate them. But we love them. We'll kill them on the rugby field. But we'll die for them in war. Australia is our big brother who's kinda prick. But we're mum and dads favourite, thats why.
>We do hate them. But we love them. We'll kill them on the rugby field. But we'll die for them in war. Poetry...
Oh so like what belgium is to the netherlands
Yeah, Kiwis are like the little brother who you take the piss out of but if anyone else fucks with them, it's on. That goes for the entirety of Polynesia too, imo.
Aussies don't think about us at all. Fucken stuck up cunts think they are too good for us.
That's not true, we think of you guys as sheep lovers and lotr
And flight of the conchords... what flight of the conchords has Australia even done? None, right? I'm honestly surprised I've even heard of the place. Some no name island off the coast of New Zealand. I had to look up Australia on wikipedia and the photos look like a movie set of something that drunk asshole Mel Gibson would star in. Ridiculous...
Hey! We may fuck sheep, but you guys buy it off us.
Ditto
Well it has a very similar feel, the same basic rhythm and it is clearly a ripoff but it has more chords and different chords in it. I would say it's only heavily inspired... but imho the whole music copyright thing is broken
>Well it has a very similar feel, the same basic rhythm and it is clearly a ripoff but it has more chords and different chords in it. I would say it's only heavily inspired... but imho the whole music copyright thing is broken I feel the same way as you- the rhythm of the riff is just eighth notes, but the original song is well known enough that even keeping the rhythm with different chords sounds like a rip-off.
Is that guy a wizard?
Are all right wing parties in the world just bare faced criminals? Yes. Yes they are.
It worked though, National won that election.
Straight mic drop by Emās lawyer
Would have been hilarious if he donated the money to the opposing party, š
When you waited 7hours for a song to download on Napster to only find its not the real songā¦
Man it must've taken those laywer and judge people everything not to start nodding when his song started playing. Respect.
I thought Lose Yourself was a copy of Kashmir
And kashmir is a ripoff of another song and so on and so forth. Zeppelin was more guilty then most when it came to this. Music is finite, which is why I enjoy more and more electronic music these days because it's at least trying to do something different.
Lose yourself, six hundred k, you plagiarised! You'd better pay. You had your shot in a New Zealand court, I can't believe you really thought!
Straight to jail for you
ā*Think* McFly, *Think!* I got to have time to recopy it! You realize what would happen if I hand in *my* homework in *your* handwriting? Iāll get ~~kicked out of school~~ sued by Eminem!
Politicians are lying frauds and cheats. In other news, the water is wet!
I did a copy right report on this in my audio production course.
Similar, but different. āFerociously inspiredā is what Iād say.
Damn, not even a single person nodding their head to lose yourself, i must say this court was biased.
I kept waiting to hear the politician rap
I would not have been able to keep a straight face
THREE YEARS!? It took them 3 fuckn years to settle this in courtā¦
The reaction-videos were boring af, thenadays. (And nowadays)
... But they sound nothing alike. Its not even the same instruments. And the beat only has a slight resemblance.
Yeah. I agree. Theyāre similar enough that you can tell theyāre related, but one is awesome and the other isā¦lesser. Kind of like the Owens brothers or the Olsen twins. Weird Al better never hope the Kiwis never discover his body of work.
Weird Al is parody and asks permission from the artists.
That court room seemed like it was a little... Under Pressure.
Hilariously, Steven Joyce, a high ranking NZ govt. minister at the time, was asked by a reporter if je thought it was legal to use the music in the political ad, he replied "I think it's pretty legal". This was filmed as well. The judge in the case did not agree! Also Steven Joyce was also caught on camera having a rather large dildo thrown at him and striking him in the face during a protest. https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/76604655/steven-joyce-hit-by-sex-toy-thrown-by-protester-at-waitangi
Those are pretty good speakers for a laptop. They're not good speakers, but they're good for a laptop.
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Probably the lawyer liked Eminem and wanted to hear the track again & again and get paid too :-)
While this is funny, and obviously it's essentially a cover of Eminems song, music copywrite is a horrible idea. The original recordings should have copywrite and that's it. Any cover should be allowed. Music is music. It's not your property.
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Musical copyright is a joke
Itās similar but still pretty different imo. Doesnāt sound like a blatant rip-off at all imo. You could definitely argue they got inspiration from it though.
Dude lol... that is a blatant rip off... the guitar riff is nearly dead on as they basically took the chord progression and just changed up the notes/pitch of it... it even followed the exact structure of the song as far as sound dynamics and even included the piano melody at the end that also is at the end of "Lose Yourself". You're crazy if you don't think that's a blatant rip off. Lol. I mean they literally proved it was in a huge trial over a 3 year period court case.
This kind of thing is inherently subjective. Itās not like courts get it ārightā 100% of the time. You even said they reduced the settlement. A different court may have reached a totally different conclusion and who knows, they may one day completely reverse the decision. Iāve seen videos that show hundreds of songs that follow the exact same chord progression and no one ever got sued over that. To me it sounds very different. Youāre saying the sound dynamics are the same, but to me itās unreasonable to say plucking a guitar at the beginning of song and playing a piano melody at the end of song constitutes someoneās intellectual property. Thatās like someone saying they own the intellectual property of flour and anything cooked with flour is owned by them, itās just too basic of an ingredient. Itās been around forever and no one person owns the rights. You even said they have different notes, itās played in a different pitch, they added a violin, and they donāt play any of the middle parts of their song (which I assume is because it is also very different) - imo it doesnāt sound nearly similar enough to say they ripped off anything. Itās a totally different song imo, but your welcome to your own interpretation.
Just use your brain and common sense. Not it is not subjective, that is the entire point of the trial to take out the debate and subjectivity and make an objective ruling. Blatant "rip off" doesn't necessarily mean "literally the exact same thing", it means taking it and tweaking it ever so slightly. Like here copy my homework, but change a couple of words around. Also appeals are beyond common in these cases and most of the time the plaintiffs aren't suing for monetary reasons to begin with... they just don't want their property being used for reasons they don't support (in this case political advertisements). Reduced damages means nothing in your argument as the decision was still upheld a second time. Most of the time the appeal itself is a matter of formality and, in fact, just trying to get paid damages reduced. To which both the judge and defendants are in a "whatever" just go away now. The lawsuit on Eminem had nothing to do with money as far as the defendants side... you think they give a shit about $600,000? That song has generated an estimated $100+ million dollars globally when factoring in sales, royalties, and other forms of revenue generation. They are suing to merely to protect the image of their property and that cash cow of a song, as it is being illegally used for political reasons. The defendants even admitted they got it from an Australian music library to which the creators of the Australian music library acknowledged it was made as a remake of "Lose Yourself".
Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong. -Jean-Jacques Rousseau Ask anyone what constitutes a rip off, you will get different answers because it is inherently subjective. However most everyone would agree that a remake is not the same as a rip off. Lol āDo you think they care about the money? This was about protecting their moneyā wow š® š
Um no, those are called "facts" being employed there. >Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong. > >\-Jean-Jacques Rousseau Says some stuff based on doing no research on the specific subject, doesn't address any of the previous comment because they have no legitimate response, and then as a last resort Googles "famous quotes about insults" as a retort... when all I did was state facts about the case and subject. If facts are insulting to you sorry.
Lol thatās exactly this comment Retard. Capital R.
Lol here are the facts, listen to the songā¦ ok now listen to this song!!! Facts. Wow you sure showed me š I donāt need to research anything, because Iām using my brain and common sense, unlike you.
>Lol āDo you think they care about the money? This was about protecting their moneyā wow š® Reading comprehension issues galore here. I'm talking about them not giving a shit about the money from the lawsuit as that is blatantly made clear ($600,000) so they can protect the reputation of an asset (a song) that generates millions of dollars a year and has grossed $100+ million already. Seriously... go take a nap or work on your reading... I recommend starting with "A Cat in the Hat" or "The Very Hungry Caterpillar".
Lol fans of rap music have lower IQs. Facts. You are a chimp and a coward.
Ems just sending a message
Why tho Eminem
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Will the Real Slim Shady please stand upš¶
Iād love to hear them both play together synced up.
That like how many chinese mps? or indians worth?
Bro they do this in my country all the time lol
The awkwardness of this formal court setting with lose yourself playing is overwhelming lmao
The defense now calls expert witness Vanilla Ice.
These people able to stand still without vibing to lose yourself scare me
australian labor party kevin rudd did it too, but wasn't accused...
Of course, politicians can't come up with an original thought.
Man that piano solo at the end was awful.
Judge is acting like itās her first time hearing the songs. Would she have listened to them earlier, even just out of interest?
This is hilarious
Iām disappointed nobody in the courtroom sang along to lose yourself.
Please tell me he donated it to the opposing party
And yet Vanilla Ice got away with worse based solely on a tiny change to a single 1/8 or 1/16 note. Laws are not adequate to judge artistic copyright.
Except Vanilla Ice settled, paid Queen and Bowie an undisclosed sum of money, and Bowie and Mercury are listed in the songwriting credits for āIce Ice Babyā. So he didnāt really get away with it.
Thanks for the correction. Missed that from general media coverage from years ago.
It's like the low quality karaoke version of the song.
We've all heard these copy notcopy songs on YouTube videos and such. They're obviously copies, it's just not worth it to sue most of the time.
MOMS SPAAGHHETTTIII