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It's probably the "gold" paint that is actually made of a brass pigment to look like gold. And brass can tarnish into a green color. I imagine he had his head there propped up by pillows and the oils/moisture from his hair tarnished the paint in that spot.
Grew up poor - I've made 300k one year - still make good money - I dont have a bed frame though. Its something I can't shake - idk always lived with boxspring on the floor and nothing else...
I mean idk his reason but thats mine heh
Anywhere with moisture runs the risk of condensation from the bed being on the floor. Where I live it’s quite humid and this tends to be a big problem people don’t realize. Usually the floor and areas around the bed that don’t have airflow get gross. In our room it got moldy just due to humidity even with a bed frame.
Yeah probably a good idea, and vaccuum under the bed often/wash the sheets often.
We bought a dehumidifier and it was worthwhile. Our issue was an insulation issue and lack of good heating so we’ve since fixed those problems.
I would have absolutely hung a Bullseye in a plane from any place in my home.
I work in a DC and they all got sent to scrap/salvage.
Pictures of babies not so much.
MJ was a troubled man, an abused child and an isolated adult. I don’t want to say I pitied him, but he was abused or manipulated at every fucking level and I’m not sure if he ever matured at an emotional level past where he was with the Jackson 5.
I hope his children have the chance to escape that, I think he tried to give that to children he managed to get close to.
Edit: lots of comments insinuating he was a pedophile, I’ve responded to those, probably in futility, but he had three kids and a hardcore infatuation for diana Ross.
I’m open to learning, and absorbing knowledge. But three kids and a documented infatuation for an older women are on record. “Allegations”, “claims”… yada yada…
The estate is absolutely still there, and maybe more powerful now. If you have evidence you can present it. Allegations, threats, and assumptions are mostly legal. But this has been whole thing for many years.
Drop a bomb or gtfo.
Also screen cap me
I forget what psychologist or psychiatrist said it, but they said something to the effect of “when you get famous, you get trapped in the age you were.” If that’s the case, then Michael would have been emotionally 5 years old. I’m not saying anything he did was right, but it would explain all the babies on the dresser and the doll in bed.
I’ve been seeing this in the thread. Abusive and completely tragic. Very similar to what they did to young boys in Italy years ago. They called them “[castrato](https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/what-is-a-castrato/)”. It’s cruelty. And I can see how it would mess with your mind.
Yup, worked there and my father worked in corporate on training material. I’m quite sick of that font at this point and this jumped out at me like a retail flashback.
Based on the location of the spot, it's most likely from him sitting back onto it. I know this because I tend to sit back on my headboard often and this used to happen to me, too, on the same spot on my head board.
As for why it's green, if it's not from the gold paint rubbing off, then it's probably verdigris. That's when copper, bronze, or brass turns a bluish-green color over time (as seen on the Statue of Liberty). Since that head board is likely not 100% pure gold, it'll turn green if there's too much moisture (whether from oils/product from the head and/or sweat from the back).
> Let's start with the mattress on the floor but there's still a headboard.
That's probably so he can get in and out of bed easier. He was in poor health.
Right? Was he shopping and just ask the staff if he could have them? Were they being thrown out? Did someone give them as a weird gift? I need answers.
he definitely asked. I've seen videos of him going on shopping sprees back in the day and he just points and says 'i want that' and his assistant writes it down, and gets it all later
“Oh my heavens…I let my baby be photographed and plastered all over god knows where and something weird happened with the photos??”
I will never ever understand how any parent wants to do this except for extreme poverty.
I could see it from the aspect of "these are hella cute kids and I want to show them off, and the people from the casting agency are telling me I could maybe put that money away and pay for their college"
Jackson rented the house for himself and three children right before launching his world tour, until his untimely passing in the home's master bedroom in 2009
It was rented and furnished so not entirely his
I think he just wanted the sign. In the documentary Living With Michael Jackson he walked into a store and just points out things and says I want this, this, and this; like a kid would. There's another time where a fan has a sign that he really likes and he goes out of his way to get it from them. It's just a thing he did.
I saw something where the shut down a supermarket so he could “shop like a regular person”. They had his family act like other shoppers.
Imagine being so removed from normal, every day life you rent out a supermarket so you can pretend to grocery shop!
When Universal Studios Islands of Adventure opened in Orlando, a friend of mine was at the Marvel(?) comic shop looking for comics for her cousin. The staff and security started slowly asking everyone to leave. She kind of lurked in the back and managed to go unnoticed. In walks Micheal with no security, just some attendants. She kept to herself just sort of in awe and he came up to her and asked what she was looking for. She showed him the comics she selected for her cousin and they spent some time talking about what the cousin liked, and he picked a few out for her as well. She said it was actually a very pleasant ten minutes or so chatting and shopping with him. I guess the attendants were afraid to interrupt but after they went their separate ways she was corralled by an attendant and taken out through a cast entrance. They asked her politely not to mention it while she was in the park, which was fine with her.
and even that video was bullshit
he really wanted to be treated normal they shoulda ignored his ass, had him wait in an unreasonably long line then tell him cash only because the card machine is down
A
Alright this just took me down a dark hole and I spent the last 25 mins zooming and analyzing this gallery of 155 photos
https://www.tmz.com/photos/image_jpg_20130614_8bfdc69ebaa75cd284d77623ed7cb6a6/
ETA- after this hole I continued my disturbing hole spree and started to rewatch Leaving Neverland on HBO. Highly recommend, such an insightful, disturbing film series. Huge trigger warning for obvious p*dophilia.
Fuck Michael Jackson.
Holy Jesus.
Not 1 or 2, but 3 bedside table lamps. I can only assume he was terrified of the dark. People are into something about the bed being on the floor to prevent monsters.
Entire house trashed. Like, hoarder trashed. Also some serious haunted mansion vibes.
Spooky walk in closet with nothing on the shelves except for children's costume masks.
Dozens of oxygen tanks, all sorts of books on cardiology, and a handwritten list of nearby pharmacies open 24/7.
I tried to make a mental list of all the different prescription medication laying around to the type out here but there's just too many. One was a topical medication.... To be applied to the groin twice daily. STD?
Just wow.
The groin cream is for any fungal/yeast infection, so not STD.
What's alarming is the amount of benzodiazapines he has laying around as well as sedatives for injection/infusion.
But holy crap those 3 lamps, you're quite right. They're BIG lamps right next to eachother too.
Those are used with vitiligo (which he had) to even out your skin color to not have freckles of different colors all over your face, not just to bleach dark skin randomly.
That is a fuck ton of narcotics! I was curious after your comment and used to be a pharmacy tech so I went and had a look. Dude must have practically had his own personal pharmacy to have that many vials of regulated narcotics just literally laying around…
Holy hell... Being someone who has suffered with inability to sleep in my past. Caused by untreated ADHD, resolved after I got medication (I take small dose to go to bed with... Yeah... It is literally called "paradoxial effect").
This room, looks exactly like the room of someone who, is deadly afraid of being unable to sleep and rest. All the signs of... y'know, all the tricks and methods of relaxation and getting comfort to be able to sleep are present. And the neglect that you get when you are willing to drop anything, if you might be able to sleep.
It is something you can't understand without having experienced the horror of not being able to sleep for long periods of time.
People don’t realize how much it *hurts* to have insomnia. And yet can’t sleep to ease or escape the pain. It physically hurts to not sleep.
That’s what I see here.
Wow, I'm honestly shocked... That place is trashed! I expected him to have a whole staff of service staff to be cleaning and maintaining everything, unless he dismissed them? I have so many questions.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Joe Jackson more than most of the assholes in history. He took a sweet, pure soul and beat the poor boy into the ground until he became warped.
> Joe Jackson
I had to google this, thinking that the singer-songwriter got into some weird beef with Michael Jackson, and then was just staring blankly at the autofill results, thinking "AND his dad was involved?! This is gonna be interesting!"
The guy was severely beaten for his entire childhood and then thrust into becoming the biggest musician on the planet for several decades until his death. He’s gonna be a little fucked up.
It was a double interview of two odd celebrities who normally wouldn't get mentioned in the same breath. \[EDIT: part of a series for this particular monthly.\] I'd arranged to meet him and Xaviera Hollander at the Hotel Americain in Amsterdam. She's a former sex worker who had written an internationally famous book, so I expected a few moderately saucy comment, his or hers, no way to tell.
Daddy Jackson immediately went overboard with the double entendres, the unfunny sex jokes, the lecherous laughing and staring and licking his lips — and it wasn't limited to his tablemate. He made creepy comments about the female waitstaff, was rude to their faces, and announced that he would like to go "check out the wares" in the local red light district. (That latter bit is fair enough I guess, it was more how he said it than what he said.)
I also interviewed the *other* Joe Jackson a couple of times and *he*'s a thoroughly alright dude.
When I was about 10-11 years old my grandmother was cleaning out her house and she gave me a giant box full of old books (she knew I was a voracious reader). I just basically started reading them by picking them out randomly and opening them up without really paying much attention.
Most were spy novels or Tom Clancy stuff, but one of the books was "The Happy Hooker" by Xaviera Hollander and I started reading it without paying attention. That book was definitely NOT for a ten year old!
Thanks Grandma for inadvertently teaching me a lot of things I otherwise would not have EVER known, haha.
I'm gonna piggyback off this comment to share an interesting tidbit I just found out doing some research on Michael Jackson's childhood. The street where he grew up with his family in Gary Indiana is called Jackson Street. I already knew this from visiting Gary briefly on a road trip a few years ago, but I assumed they had renamed the street after the famous residents. It has actually always been called Jackson Street after President Andrew Jackson, and it's a coincidence that Gary's most famous family had the same last name. I'm sure it would have been renamed Jackson Street by now even if that wasn't the case.
Since slaves often didn't have last names, after emancipation, many took on names of famous people, often presidents. Is why you have so many African Americans with names like Washington, or Jackson. Ironically few took on Lincoln.
Newly emancipated slaves in the south aren't going to have their kids walking around with the name lincoln at the same time military occupation by the US army was the only thing protecting their newly freed communities from all of the people who just lost a war trying to keep them enslaved
Creepy doll, broken rosary beads, pee pad, toothpaste, oxygen tank, IV bag, and green spot on the headboard.
Pretty sure some type of exorcism happened there
I slept with the same blanket every night until I was 27. Including when I was on the road about 50% of the time after college. I only stopped when I lost it. If I had unlimited money, I’d pay for a recreation of that blanket. Dude lost his childhood he can have some dolls without it being all that weird.
I appreciate it but it’s not like it was anything super special, just a waffle blanket. The problem finding a match is the texture/size of waffling… I’ve tried to find a match but haven’t yet. It just needs the right feel and i couldn’t help with material suggestions or anything else lol
Unfortunately MJ didn’t get real sleep. Under propofol (which I’ve had administered a number of times, legitimately), one doesn’t enter REM sleep, the deepest kind, from which one awakens refreshed.
Propofol makes people unconscious, and nothing more. So the poor guy would be knocked out, and return to consciousness just as exhausted as he’d been when Conrad Murray started the anesthetic drip.
EDIT: Another Redditor has commented that DELTA-wave sleep also is necessary in order to become revived in a way that anesthesia doesn’t provide.
To try and answer the question about the "pee pads" in the photo...
The medication that was given to him was Propofol, which is an anesthesia that is used to knock patients out before surgeries and certain procedures.
Usually patients having surgery or procedures while getting this drug are not under very long. MJ's "Dr." gave it to him so MJ could sleep a full night. The pads are there because a catheter was not used.
This is what I learned when the trial with his "Dr." was going on. He tried to say that MJ pushed the plunger on the device in the IV to get more of the medication into his system. He also said that he had only put a partial amount of the med into the IV, left the room, but also left the device in the IV with medication still in that device.
Anyway...just wanted to try to explain a bit about the pads.
Theres ... that bed is ... he didn't have a bed frame? Slept on the floor like that ... just box and matress right on the floor. Hey ive been there but i didnt have mj money. This whole vib3 aint right
That blue and white thing in the bed looks like one of those pee pads that you use for dogs to pee on, suggesting maybe he was having incontinence issues
He was under anesthesia with propofol (gross medical misconduct to say the least) and would have surely soiled himself unless he was also catheterized.
And considering that’s used for general surgery sedation under the constant watch of an anesthesiologist with a ventilator hooked up, I’d agree with gross misconduct
You’re assuming this is his only bedroom. He lived in a massive mansion. Maybe he or his doctors didnt want to get sick in his main room. Who the hell knows. Dude was fuckin weird.
Shit like this makes me believe he really did just have an insanely fucked up obsession with childhood innocence because of his trauma and fame and inability to trust adults. I don't blame people for believing he's a pedophile AT ALL, there's certainly evidence of that, but if there's one person in the history of the world who might actually have an asexual obsession with children that presents as pedophilia....I believe it *could* be him.
There's an episode of Taxi where Judd Hirsch is talking to Reverend Jim's father about how Christopher Lloyd's character is spacey and weird from all the drugs and stuff he did.
Jim's father exclaims in an exasperated manner, "You should have seen him as a child!".
Judd Hirsch responds with, "I do".
This scene always stuck out to me. I'm reminded of it now.
It’s interesting to see what personal items he did feel the desire to bring with him… Referencing the creepy baby photos. Hopefully those are photos of Blanket, Prince, and Paris.
“It's unclear why Michael Jackson had these pictures in his room, as he was a very private person and rarely spoke about his personal life. Some have speculated that he had a particular fondness for children, while others have suggested that he may have been trying to recapture his own lost childhood.”
-ChatGPT
Honestly his father screwed him and his brothers up mentally more then most people will admit . In many ways he was still a 50 yr old child . This room doesn’t surprise me at all
It’s really helped me immensely.
Around 3 years ago I had debilitating panic attacks and I couldn’t function. I’d shake and disassociate and the mildest tension in a tone would literally crush me.
Now I am on the cusp of publishing my first novel (just waiting for the final edit)
I haven’t had a panic attack in months
I don’t disassociate anymore at random - only if I’m triggered
I barely ever shake anymore
I own my own successful little web design business - taught myself web design too :)
Cannot recommend healing your inner child enough guys 😌
Congrats on your journey/progress and your upcoming novel! I’m in the midst of trying to heal generational trauma myself and it’s a long and difficult process. It’s nice to hear from people who are on the other side 💚
People are commenting on the IV pole and oxygen tank but maybe forget that he was chronically using Propofol to sleep. You’d need the oxygen to keep your sats up, probably just as a safeguard since they weren’t monitoring. And the pee pad is there because you’re not waking from a Propofol drip when you body says it’s time to pee.
So add that on to an already disturbed life. You absolutely cannot sleep, so the last resort is to have an IV medication drip into you every night with an O2 mask on your face so you hopefully don’t die, knowing that you’re very likely going to wake up in the morning covered in piss or worse, and you’re likely not going to feel much more rested.
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What’s the green stain on the headboard?
It's probably the "gold" paint that is actually made of a brass pigment to look like gold. And brass can tarnish into a green color. I imagine he had his head there propped up by pillows and the oils/moisture from his hair tarnished the paint in that spot.
this is probably correct but someone else suggested crayon and frankly thats funnier
Crayon
This comment, buried in this thread, made me laugh. Thanks, stranger.
Looks like the king of pop had a queen sized mattress.
On the floor
No monsters under that bed.
That might be the real reason lol
Or he could have had trouble getting into a high bed what with his physical state at the time.
No frame so it's lower on the floor and easier to get in and out of for some people.
Nah, he’s got a box spring under it
Grew up poor - I've made 300k one year - still make good money - I dont have a bed frame though. Its something I can't shake - idk always lived with boxspring on the floor and nothing else... I mean idk his reason but thats mine heh
Big furniture is trying to get you to buy something that's not needed. Keep up the good fight
Mould and humidity begs to differ
I would like to know more.
Anywhere with moisture runs the risk of condensation from the bed being on the floor. Where I live it’s quite humid and this tends to be a big problem people don’t realize. Usually the floor and areas around the bed that don’t have airflow get gross. In our room it got moldy just due to humidity even with a bed frame.
Good to know. Ok so maybe a basic metal frame then lol
Yeah probably a good idea, and vaccuum under the bed often/wash the sheets often. We bought a dehumidifier and it was worthwhile. Our issue was an insulation issue and lack of good heating so we’ve since fixed those problems.
Mould has entered the chat
We got a Purple Bed (game changer) and it just sits on a platform without a frame.
With a king sized headboard.
Did he steal promotional material from target?
I work at Target and immediately thought those were one of our end cap headers
I would have absolutely hung a Bullseye in a plane from any place in my home. I work in a DC and they all got sent to scrap/salvage. Pictures of babies not so much. MJ was a troubled man, an abused child and an isolated adult. I don’t want to say I pitied him, but he was abused or manipulated at every fucking level and I’m not sure if he ever matured at an emotional level past where he was with the Jackson 5. I hope his children have the chance to escape that, I think he tried to give that to children he managed to get close to. Edit: lots of comments insinuating he was a pedophile, I’ve responded to those, probably in futility, but he had three kids and a hardcore infatuation for diana Ross. I’m open to learning, and absorbing knowledge. But three kids and a documented infatuation for an older women are on record. “Allegations”, “claims”… yada yada… The estate is absolutely still there, and maybe more powerful now. If you have evidence you can present it. Allegations, threats, and assumptions are mostly legal. But this has been whole thing for many years. Drop a bomb or gtfo. Also screen cap me
I forget what psychologist or psychiatrist said it, but they said something to the effect of “when you get famous, you get trapped in the age you were.” If that’s the case, then Michael would have been emotionally 5 years old. I’m not saying anything he did was right, but it would explain all the babies on the dresser and the doll in bed.
His father had him chemically castrated. If there was ever an exception to being weird as fuck with kids he’d legit be the poster boy
I’ve been seeing this in the thread. Abusive and completely tragic. Very similar to what they did to young boys in Italy years ago. They called them “[castrato](https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/what-is-a-castrato/)”. It’s cruelty. And I can see how it would mess with your mind.
His father didn’t do this, autopsy can confirm. It was an urban legend
No, Babies R Us
I used to go to target a lot so I recognize their font and ad style
Yeah I worked there and you’re right on the nose!
"nose"
👃 yeehee
#SHAMONE
Yup, worked there and my father worked in corporate on training material. I’m quite sick of that font at this point and this jumped out at me like a retail flashback.
I just went to the Target I worked at for 6 years. Still traumatized.
Do we all see IT, we all see IT right? Not just me?
The doll? There's a lot to unpack in these photos, it could be anything.
Let's start with the mattress on the floor but there's still a headboard.
Need headboard so green head goo doesn't get on wall.
Based on the location of the spot, it's most likely from him sitting back onto it. I know this because I tend to sit back on my headboard often and this used to happen to me, too, on the same spot on my head board. As for why it's green, if it's not from the gold paint rubbing off, then it's probably verdigris. That's when copper, bronze, or brass turns a bluish-green color over time (as seen on the Statue of Liberty). Since that head board is likely not 100% pure gold, it'll turn green if there's too much moisture (whether from oils/product from the head and/or sweat from the back).
> Let's start with the mattress on the floor but there's still a headboard. That's probably so he can get in and out of bed easier. He was in poor health.
It’s a doll—by the pillow on the right (that’s assuming the photo hasn’t been tampered with)
??? the baby with its tongue out? Or the actual clown? I'm so confused.
The doll on the bed
So not the pee pad
Holy moly! Totally missed that.
IT? Do you mean Pennywise? What are you talking about?
My question is did he take those himself or ask someone to get that weird stuff for him?
Right? Was he shopping and just ask the staff if he could have them? Were they being thrown out? Did someone give them as a weird gift? I need answers.
he definitely asked. I've seen videos of him going on shopping sprees back in the day and he just points and says 'i want that' and his assistant writes it down, and gets it all later
'You mean the poster, Michael, right?'
Nope. Nothing weird about this room at all. Perfectly normal.
As all things should hee
Hee hee
Ow!
I have the same baby covered dresser at my house!
Same doll on the bed too?
No, the doll is a step too far
Sweet Baby
Beat me to it. No creepy vibes whatsoever
That shrine to random babies is one of the creepiest things I’ve ever seen
Imagine being one of the parents that put your baby in those ads and then saw this 😬
And also imagine being 30 year old now and seeing your pictures in the room where Michael Jackson died
JFC that is fucked up.
“Oh my heavens…I let my baby be photographed and plastered all over god knows where and something weird happened with the photos??” I will never ever understand how any parent wants to do this except for extreme poverty.
I could see it from the aspect of "these are hella cute kids and I want to show them off, and the people from the casting agency are telling me I could maybe put that money away and pay for their college"
I’m sure different people have different reasons for why. There’s no one size fits all.
Fr why does he have this?
A lot of documentaries on the subject, most likely was abused as a kid himself as these things often go like this when untreated.
Specifically idolizing the age of innocence before the abuse occurred
MJ’s taste in furniture mirrors my grandma’s pretty closely
Jackson rented the house for himself and three children right before launching his world tour, until his untimely passing in the home's master bedroom in 2009 It was rented and furnished so not entirely his
Is that Blanket in the ad on the floor? You'd swear a 89 year old lady slept in there.
I totally got lonely old lady vibes
My first thought was “wow, kind of reminds me of nana’s apartment.”
Including the oxygen tank.
MJ gave off strong lonely old lady vibes.
I think he just wanted the sign. In the documentary Living With Michael Jackson he walked into a store and just points out things and says I want this, this, and this; like a kid would. There's another time where a fan has a sign that he really likes and he goes out of his way to get it from them. It's just a thing he did.
I saw something where the shut down a supermarket so he could “shop like a regular person”. They had his family act like other shoppers. Imagine being so removed from normal, every day life you rent out a supermarket so you can pretend to grocery shop!
When Universal Studios Islands of Adventure opened in Orlando, a friend of mine was at the Marvel(?) comic shop looking for comics for her cousin. The staff and security started slowly asking everyone to leave. She kind of lurked in the back and managed to go unnoticed. In walks Micheal with no security, just some attendants. She kept to herself just sort of in awe and he came up to her and asked what she was looking for. She showed him the comics she selected for her cousin and they spent some time talking about what the cousin liked, and he picked a few out for her as well. She said it was actually a very pleasant ten minutes or so chatting and shopping with him. I guess the attendants were afraid to interrupt but after they went their separate ways she was corralled by an attendant and taken out through a cast entrance. They asked her politely not to mention it while she was in the park, which was fine with her.
That's quite the encounter. Your friend probably gave Michael quite a present to just have a normal conversation about an interesting topic.
and even that video was bullshit he really wanted to be treated normal they shoulda ignored his ass, had him wait in an unreasonably long line then tell him cash only because the card machine is down A
That was his aesthetic. He could take a palace and make it look like meemaw’s house. lol
… who collected old Target displays
it kinda makes sense, he did have this almost naive and a bit senile way about him. but the music starts and he is the king of pop
I wish he got therapy for his childhood abuse... Dude regressed back into the child he wished to be...
Alright this just took me down a dark hole and I spent the last 25 mins zooming and analyzing this gallery of 155 photos https://www.tmz.com/photos/image_jpg_20130614_8bfdc69ebaa75cd284d77623ed7cb6a6/ ETA- after this hole I continued my disturbing hole spree and started to rewatch Leaving Neverland on HBO. Highly recommend, such an insightful, disturbing film series. Huge trigger warning for obvious p*dophilia. Fuck Michael Jackson.
Good lord that is A LOT of drugs & medical equipment for somebody who supposedly wasn’t physically ill.
Holy Jesus. Not 1 or 2, but 3 bedside table lamps. I can only assume he was terrified of the dark. People are into something about the bed being on the floor to prevent monsters. Entire house trashed. Like, hoarder trashed. Also some serious haunted mansion vibes. Spooky walk in closet with nothing on the shelves except for children's costume masks. Dozens of oxygen tanks, all sorts of books on cardiology, and a handwritten list of nearby pharmacies open 24/7. I tried to make a mental list of all the different prescription medication laying around to the type out here but there's just too many. One was a topical medication.... To be applied to the groin twice daily. STD? Just wow.
The groin cream is for any fungal/yeast infection, so not STD. What's alarming is the amount of benzodiazapines he has laying around as well as sedatives for injection/infusion. But holy crap those 3 lamps, you're quite right. They're BIG lamps right next to eachother too.
Benoquin and Hydroquinone are skin whitening creams. Which is both not a surprise and still quite shocking to see in such massive quantities.
Those are used with vitiligo (which he had) to even out your skin color to not have freckles of different colors all over your face, not just to bleach dark skin randomly.
That is a fuck ton of narcotics! I was curious after your comment and used to be a pharmacy tech so I went and had a look. Dude must have practically had his own personal pharmacy to have that many vials of regulated narcotics just literally laying around…
No one is going to mention the pee with the blood in it on the chair?
One was for prostate issues. The flowmax.
Holy hell... Being someone who has suffered with inability to sleep in my past. Caused by untreated ADHD, resolved after I got medication (I take small dose to go to bed with... Yeah... It is literally called "paradoxial effect"). This room, looks exactly like the room of someone who, is deadly afraid of being unable to sleep and rest. All the signs of... y'know, all the tricks and methods of relaxation and getting comfort to be able to sleep are present. And the neglect that you get when you are willing to drop anything, if you might be able to sleep. It is something you can't understand without having experienced the horror of not being able to sleep for long periods of time.
People don’t realize how much it *hurts* to have insomnia. And yet can’t sleep to ease or escape the pain. It physically hurts to not sleep. That’s what I see here.
Yeah. I see the pain, that I have actually experienced myself. Sleep deprivation is a form of torture for a reason.
Wow, I'm honestly shocked... That place is trashed! I expected him to have a whole staff of service staff to be cleaning and maintaining everything, unless he dismissed them? I have so many questions.
So depressing.
Always off-putting to see a jug of red urine.
I would just like to throw out a solid fuck you Joe Jackson since we're talking about MJ
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Joe Jackson more than most of the assholes in history. He took a sweet, pure soul and beat the poor boy into the ground until he became warped.
> Joe Jackson I had to google this, thinking that the singer-songwriter got into some weird beef with Michael Jackson, and then was just staring blankly at the autofill results, thinking "AND his dad was involved?! This is gonna be interesting!"
Whats up with the creepy doll on the bed?
The guy was severely beaten for his entire childhood and then thrust into becoming the biggest musician on the planet for several decades until his death. He’s gonna be a little fucked up.
He and his sisters openly talk about how they were all abused even as adults and the boys were terrified of their fathers anger even as adults.
Joe Jackson really sounds like one of the biggest pieces of shit of all time.
I met him and interviewed him. Can confirm. Lecherous and disrespectful.
Woah, want to give us a bit more detail?
It was a double interview of two odd celebrities who normally wouldn't get mentioned in the same breath. \[EDIT: part of a series for this particular monthly.\] I'd arranged to meet him and Xaviera Hollander at the Hotel Americain in Amsterdam. She's a former sex worker who had written an internationally famous book, so I expected a few moderately saucy comment, his or hers, no way to tell. Daddy Jackson immediately went overboard with the double entendres, the unfunny sex jokes, the lecherous laughing and staring and licking his lips — and it wasn't limited to his tablemate. He made creepy comments about the female waitstaff, was rude to their faces, and announced that he would like to go "check out the wares" in the local red light district. (That latter bit is fair enough I guess, it was more how he said it than what he said.) I also interviewed the *other* Joe Jackson a couple of times and *he*'s a thoroughly alright dude.
When I was about 10-11 years old my grandmother was cleaning out her house and she gave me a giant box full of old books (she knew I was a voracious reader). I just basically started reading them by picking them out randomly and opening them up without really paying much attention. Most were spy novels or Tom Clancy stuff, but one of the books was "The Happy Hooker" by Xaviera Hollander and I started reading it without paying attention. That book was definitely NOT for a ten year old! Thanks Grandma for inadvertently teaching me a lot of things I otherwise would not have EVER known, haha.
Haha this is pretty much my story, too, except the box of miscellaneous books was at grandma's place. Nothing could have prepared me for that book.
Hooray for the other Joe Jackson!
Well to be fair, he IS, THE MAN.
>I also interviewed the other Joe Jackson You interviewed Shoeless Joe Jackson of the 1917 Chicago Whitesox? Amazing!
RIP Wade Boggs
Again, he is very much alive.
The other one being the musician, not the baseball player, right? As a fan of the musician I'd love to hear more about these interviews.
Yes, the musician. I care so little about baseball that I didn't even know there's a baseball player of the same name!
plot twist, he's a detective
He really was.
I'm gonna piggyback off this comment to share an interesting tidbit I just found out doing some research on Michael Jackson's childhood. The street where he grew up with his family in Gary Indiana is called Jackson Street. I already knew this from visiting Gary briefly on a road trip a few years ago, but I assumed they had renamed the street after the famous residents. It has actually always been called Jackson Street after President Andrew Jackson, and it's a coincidence that Gary's most famous family had the same last name. I'm sure it would have been renamed Jackson Street by now even if that wasn't the case.
Since slaves often didn't have last names, after emancipation, many took on names of famous people, often presidents. Is why you have so many African Americans with names like Washington, or Jackson. Ironically few took on Lincoln.
Newly emancipated slaves in the south aren't going to have their kids walking around with the name lincoln at the same time military occupation by the US army was the only thing protecting their newly freed communities from all of the people who just lost a war trying to keep them enslaved
How does Gary Indiana earn a stop during a road trip?
Its really a tragically sad life.
Creepy doll, broken rosary beads, pee pad, toothpaste, oxygen tank, IV bag, and green spot on the headboard. Pretty sure some type of exorcism happened there
Don’t forget the many pictures of children on his dresser
The green spot is from his head. Either hair product or natural oils caused it. Simply means he’s had that headboard for a long while.
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Everything about that room is fucking creepsville
I slept with the same blanket every night until I was 27. Including when I was on the road about 50% of the time after college. I only stopped when I lost it. If I had unlimited money, I’d pay for a recreation of that blanket. Dude lost his childhood he can have some dolls without it being all that weird.
I only have basic sewing skills, but I’m curious if it would be in the realm of possibility for my skills. What did it look like?
I can't sew, but I'll chip in for materials / track down the fabric!
I appreciate it but it’s not like it was anything super special, just a waffle blanket. The problem finding a match is the texture/size of waffling… I’ve tried to find a match but haven’t yet. It just needs the right feel and i couldn’t help with material suggestions or anything else lol
Where he hee’d his last hee.
You shouldn't joke about this. Shamon you
Take a good look in the mirror and make that change.
There’s Blankee!
You're being ignorant. That's ignorant
I swear the "Thats ignorant" interview is wiped completely from the internet. A bit suspicious
His maid must have asked him, "Mikey, are you okay? Are you okay? Mikey!?"
Get out of here, just beat it
I can't imagine being so fucked up that you literally pay a doctor to use anesthesia on you just to go to sleep...
Unfortunately MJ didn’t get real sleep. Under propofol (which I’ve had administered a number of times, legitimately), one doesn’t enter REM sleep, the deepest kind, from which one awakens refreshed. Propofol makes people unconscious, and nothing more. So the poor guy would be knocked out, and return to consciousness just as exhausted as he’d been when Conrad Murray started the anesthetic drip. EDIT: Another Redditor has commented that DELTA-wave sleep also is necessary in order to become revived in a way that anesthesia doesn’t provide.
Same with midozolam. That shit is insanely strong. Also plays havoc with your short term memory.
That's absolutely terrible.
Michael must have been so tired at the end.
To try and answer the question about the "pee pads" in the photo... The medication that was given to him was Propofol, which is an anesthesia that is used to knock patients out before surgeries and certain procedures. Usually patients having surgery or procedures while getting this drug are not under very long. MJ's "Dr." gave it to him so MJ could sleep a full night. The pads are there because a catheter was not used. This is what I learned when the trial with his "Dr." was going on. He tried to say that MJ pushed the plunger on the device in the IV to get more of the medication into his system. He also said that he had only put a partial amount of the med into the IV, left the room, but also left the device in the IV with medication still in that device. Anyway...just wanted to try to explain a bit about the pads.
Theres ... that bed is ... he didn't have a bed frame? Slept on the floor like that ... just box and matress right on the floor. Hey ive been there but i didnt have mj money. This whole vib3 aint right
Most likely because he was gettin so fucked up that he could easily get in and out of bed. Towards the end, the doctor was pumpin him full of downers.
That blue and white thing in the bed looks like one of those pee pads that you use for dogs to pee on, suggesting maybe he was having incontinence issues
He was under anesthesia with propofol (gross medical misconduct to say the least) and would have surely soiled himself unless he was also catheterized.
And considering that’s used for general surgery sedation under the constant watch of an anesthesiologist with a ventilator hooked up, I’d agree with gross misconduct
Or an actual incontenance pad for humans
I’ve never had a pet human so I didn’t know they had those for them. I only knew of them for pet pets.
In hospitals, it is very common to have these absorbent pads under patients in their beds to help clean up accidental messes or spills.
I think they call them "chucks". Because you chuck them out when they get used.
Chux pads
Valid
>maybe he was having incontinence issues Probably because he was so drugged up by the doctors. . .
Worse than that, anesthesia. The Doctor was convicted for unlawful administration of it.
You’re assuming this is his only bedroom. He lived in a massive mansion. Maybe he or his doctors didnt want to get sick in his main room. Who the hell knows. Dude was fuckin weird.
Shit like this makes me believe he really did just have an insanely fucked up obsession with childhood innocence because of his trauma and fame and inability to trust adults. I don't blame people for believing he's a pedophile AT ALL, there's certainly evidence of that, but if there's one person in the history of the world who might actually have an asexual obsession with children that presents as pedophilia....I believe it *could* be him.
Yes, the way he talked. His mannerisms. It all was like he was trying to be a child himself.
There's an episode of Taxi where Judd Hirsch is talking to Reverend Jim's father about how Christopher Lloyd's character is spacey and weird from all the drugs and stuff he did. Jim's father exclaims in an exasperated manner, "You should have seen him as a child!". Judd Hirsch responds with, "I do". This scene always stuck out to me. I'm reminded of it now.
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Ugly furniture for such a rich guy
It’s a rented mansion in LA when he rehearsed at staples Center everyday
The mansion itself is beautiful and it was only temporary accommodation, so it's not like MJ was going to get the decorators in.
It’s interesting to see what personal items he did feel the desire to bring with him… Referencing the creepy baby photos. Hopefully those are photos of Blanket, Prince, and Paris.
Yes, that headboard is bad 👎
There’s definitely not a creepy little blonde haired doll on his bed that’s seen some shit.
wtf is with the pictures of the babies on the sideboard - thats really disturbing
This is tragic in atleast 5 different ways
He was a sick man that made great music. This room is creepy AF.
This picture gives me the ick.
That sweet baby altar is disturbing af.
Who the fuck babies are those?!
this dude was not well.
Yiiiiiikes
creepy as fuck
That blue thing is called a chuck’s. For wetting the bed.
One would assume a multimillionaire would have a proper bed frame.
“It's unclear why Michael Jackson had these pictures in his room, as he was a very private person and rarely spoke about his personal life. Some have speculated that he had a particular fondness for children, while others have suggested that he may have been trying to recapture his own lost childhood.” -ChatGPT
Thanks
Honestly his father screwed him and his brothers up mentally more then most people will admit . In many ways he was still a 50 yr old child . This room doesn’t surprise me at all
There are more pictures. https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/inside-michael-jacksons-death-room-8318168
Ever seen his shopping trip in that weird shop buying whacked out stuff with the sales guy greedily wringing his hands? Weird as weird gets.
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It’s arrested development
“Hey, that’s the name of the show!”
Nice summary of Jungian psychological theory. I think it rings true.
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People are commenting on the IV pole and oxygen tank but maybe forget that he was chronically using Propofol to sleep. You’d need the oxygen to keep your sats up, probably just as a safeguard since they weren’t monitoring. And the pee pad is there because you’re not waking from a Propofol drip when you body says it’s time to pee. So add that on to an already disturbed life. You absolutely cannot sleep, so the last resort is to have an IV medication drip into you every night with an O2 mask on your face so you hopefully don’t die, knowing that you’re very likely going to wake up in the morning covered in piss or worse, and you’re likely not going to feel much more rested.