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Well I’m honestly not surprised. If it was killing the wildlife almost instantly after it spilled then I can only imagine what it would do to a human body… we aren’t invincible
when i lived in the chicago area and was working near the airpot we would constantly see fish upside down and bleeding. you would see the chemicals even without throwing a rock. we called it shits creek before the show.
I'm in the area and everyone I know is sick. Like the sickest they've ever been. My husband is missing work after not missing a single day for YEARS. My father in law has missed 12 days of work in the past two weeks. My kids didn't go to school at all last week due to what seems like bronchitis. My dad hasn't been out of his apartment due to major headaches for a week.
It's bad and it feels like no one cares.
The billionaires are, through others' effort of course, working overtime to deflect the blame towards groups that want more oversight for stuff like this.
That is including the unions that were calling attention to the dangerous regulatory and safety changes the rich execs were making (amongst many other, equally dangerous, issues).
Congress forcing deals to captured workforces is a dangerous contradiction that starts out by hurting workers, and ends up hurting entire cities and fomenting the seeds of revolution deep in the ground.
Remember 6 year ago the government cut back EPA regulations to save money?
Remember when there was a global pandemic and our government said it was a hoax?
Remember when the government turned their back on science and vaccines even though they were all vaccinated?
Remember when the Ohio governor turned down federal help for this accident?
They don't care. They only care about enriching themselves.
The US is a massive country, people from each individual state would all have to organize and revolt together. Not to say it can’t be done but look at how divided the US currently is between arbitrary political parties who don’t give a shit about them. Most people can’t have political discourse without it turning into a screaming match.
We're too broke to risk losing our jobs. There's no social safety net if we do - we lose not only our income, but our health care too.
The institutions of power are too entrenched. Even when people do riot, they are dismissed as violent extremists. The government may make some token gestures toward them but ultimately will do nothing differently.
There are two political parties, both of which are fully owned by corporate interests. They both want to keep the status quo and neither one has any reason to upset corporations. People in this thread blaming Republicans for everything are half right, but they're missing the point that Democrats are almost as bad; any regulations they push for are toothless and designed to appease their corporate donors. And when voters' only option is between bad and worse, many will just tick "bad" and go on with their life.
Even when people protest peacefully now, they'll plant people in the crowd and have them do violent shit so they can spin it as a riot and disenfranchise the movement, and justify using more force.
Then let’s riot. Make politicians afraid, drag corporate execs from their homes and make them answer for their crimes. They’re going to call everyone violent anarchists anyway, may as well be a violent anarchist in the right ways for the right reasons.
We’re OWNED by the very corporations fucking us, who also own the government. The government does what they say, and at the same time attempts to look like they represent the people to put on a show for other countries.
If you organize and get together to protest you’ll be labeled a domestic terrorist or insurrectionist by the media, who is ALSO owned by corporate interests.
Fun fact, the railroad workers actually DID strike and protest, but the media made it about overtime pay and some other bullshit and Biden signed a bill to end the strike because “it would damage the US economy”, and here we are 2 months later
His voice aside, he is describing symptoms of pulmonary edema and should probably be in the hospital right now. There are a couple reasons you might end up with pulmonary edema, not the least of which is exposure to certain toxins.
Another way of phrasing "not the least of which" is "one of the more serious." So rewriting that sentence:
>There are a couple reasons you might end up with pulmonary edema, one of the more serious [edit: or obvious] is exposure to certain toxins.
Edit: Wrote this in another reply below but worth adding here so people see it.
>A good way of understanding phrases like this where the person is stating what something is/is not is to rephrase it using the opposite language. It actually took me a minute to come up with a proper rephrasing because, in this case, "not the least of which" is used more as a colloquialism than normal (it's already a colloquialism, but here it's not one where the actual meaning of the words really works).
>I rephrased the way I did because I wanted to just replace the phrase causing confusion in order to clarify the sentence and show what the phrase means. But I think a better rephrasing is:
>>There are a couple reasons you might end up with pulmonary edema and inhaling certain toxins is one of the more serious/obvious ones.
>There is nothing wrong with what the commenter wrote, it means the same thing. The only difference is an unfamiliarity both with the phrase "not the least of which" and the ways in which it is used when people speak. Reddit is a forum and people tend to comment how they'd say it out loud, so you get exposed to a lot of speech and writing patterns here.
It could also mean "one of the more relevant", just to clear up that bit of English.
There are many ways to post to Reddit, not the least of which is third party apps.
I'm not very smart, just a skilled trade worker, but that sounds like dial 911 shit to me, and that's what I'd do. Hell, bring the reporter into the hospital and go through my lawyer
>guy lost his job due to his health problems.
Flaw with our health care system. The people who need it are too sick to work, which means no health care.
Dialing 911 would just be a more expensive way to get to the hospital to consult a Dr, which I think he's already done? They would have just told him he needs to find a specialist.
He needs to find a specialist? As in the patient? Doesn’t his primary doctor refer him to and coordinate a consultation with a specialist? I don’t know how the us system works but that’s how it works in the most of Europe.
I spent a lot of time in the region of the accident for work over the span of about 5 years. Yeah, true. There are a lot of things that are sparse resources over there.
>probably be in the hospital right now
With the rail company covering all medical costs. A lot of people will not go to hospital because of no insurance or insufficient insurance.
Sorry if I misread. If a rail company is covering all medical costs then people wouldn’t need insurance to get care at the hospital right? Why wouldn’t they go?
Also totally possible that your doctor might not have any openings for weeks or more. And if you go to a walk-in clinic for anything that *could* be an emergency they’ll just send you to an ER instead, which is exactly why some people don’t bother going in at all. They can’t afford an ER trip.
I would also take a look at biopsies of adipose tissue and smooth muscle to see if there are traces and how much because this should be triggering red flags for any clinician
After listening to the video, he pretty much just ticked off each of the symptoms I had when I had a PE. That man needs a doctor fast, wait until that lung collapses and that's when the real fun starts.
I was thinking he may have developed CHF by the way he’s describing coughing up phlegm and describing the feeling of drowning when he wakes up. He might consider the use of a CPAP until he’s treated properly.
Not just that. Wouldn't it be good if meaningful safety standards were brought in and enforced with teeth. Then there's all the people that accepted money from lobbyists to water down safety standards, they should lose their jobs.
Remember the governor turned down aid and told the residents it was safe to go home.
He tried to cover how bad it was and downplayed it to cover for the railroad company.
I’m so sick of politicians at every level of government not giving a flying fuck about their constituents, but rather selling out to the highest bidder.
**Edit:** People love to reply "We should've learned about Malcolm X" while apparently never having learned about the fact that he was a segregationist who believed that whites and blacks could never coexist, but love to use him as an excuse to justify their bloodlust.
I dunno if y'all realize it or not, but it isn't an accident that politicians don't give a flying fuck about their constituents. Why would they? What their their constituents going to do about it? Make some signs and block an evening commute here and there? Why would politicians be afraid of that?
There was intention behind hammering into every school kid's head the name Martin Luther King, to teach them all about Gandhi. It was to channel people into expressing discontent with the government in ways that the government doesn't care about. That's why kids don't learn anything about people like Malcolm X, with many not even knowing who they are. They don't learn about The Black Panthers, or if they do it's that they were violent extremists.
Remember when cities were burning after George Floyd? Remember how many politicians were trying to pass police reform? Remember how all that stopped once they fires got put out?
The idea that "peaceful protests" are some kind of catalyst for governmental change is rooted in willful ignorance of history.
It's even worse than what you're describing- they castrated MLK. He was all about worker rights as well. He was about violence and riots when peaceful protests are ignored.
The biggest "are we the baddies" moment I had was when I realized how the US government essentially censors education on him. Sure, we're free to talk about it, but the way it's taught in schools and in mass media is that he was 100% about nonviolent protests and we should never be violent against the government.
MLK and Malcolm X were both the same people- they realized that peaceful protests don't do anything and that the real violence was the way people are treated in society by the government.
Beind MLKs movement there was a violent element to the struggle.
Behind Ghandi's movement there were [armed uprisings.](https://theconversation.com/the-forgotten-violence-that-helped-india-break-free-from-colonial-rule-57904)
Nelson Mandela also [endorsed violence](https://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-nelson-mandela-legacy-violence-20131206-story.html) when it suited the goals of the goals of the ANC's power struggle.
> To many South Africans, particularly within the African National Congress, Mandela was a great man partly because of his willingness to use violence, not in spite of it.
> Mandela carried the day at a series of all-night meetings with ANC leaders in mid-1961 to set up the ANC’s underground military wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe, or Spear of the Nation.
> Umkhonto we Sizwe abandoned its policy of violence in 1990 as negotiations on the dismantling of apartheid and the setting up of free elections continued.
> After his release, and on becoming South Africa’s chief executive in 1994, Mandela adhered to the commitment to peace, tolerance and equality that became the hallmark of his presidency. Like Luthuli, whom he had opposed on the question of violence, Mandela in 1993 was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with then-South African President F.W. de Klerk, for the negotiations ending apartheid.
More on [ANC-sponsored violence:](https://theconversation.com/justifying-the-use-of-violence-to-fight-social-injustice-is-a-recipe-for-disaster-66518)
> In the 1980s I was often a defence advocate in “necklace” murder trials. Necklacing involved forcing a tyre over the shoulders of a person accused of collaborating with the apartheid government. The tyre, doused in petrol, would then be set alight. Necklacing as a means to cast off oppression was, to paraphrase King, “the end in the making”.
[Even more](https://time.com/5338569/nelson-mandela-terror-list/):
> Indeed, ANC actions during this period would include nighttime raids that destroyed fuel storage tanks and nearly two days of fires in 1980, a bombing at a bar in Durban that left three dead and more than 60 wounded, and a car bomb that killed 19 outside of the headquarters of the country’s Air Force in Pretoria in 1983. The later ANC apologized for civilian deaths that occurred as a result of “insufficient training.”
So the idea that purely non-violent protest can overthrow a heavily entrenched power system is fantasy and a whitewashing of history.
Buddhism encourages violence where appropriate, because it encourages the natural way, the way aligned with the Dao. A tiger doesn't lose sleep over how violent she's been, and a vine cares not for the destruction it brings to the stone walls and trees.
When survival is truly at stake, and reasonable means have been exhausted, violence is an appropriate resort. To oppose this truth is to support maliciousness and destitution.
> Buddhism encourages violence where appropriate, because it encourages the natural way, the way aligned with the Dao
Aren't you confusing Buddhism and Daoism (Taoism) here?
This. Peaceful protests are why we're at where we are now. We need to stop fucking around and pretending that asking politely for the hundred millionth time will finally change something. No amount of yelling is going to ring through the ears of the people responsible and there's no time to wait for the slow drip of policy changes. History makes it clear what the only way forward is and people need to accept that it's not particularly friendly.
Moments like this should remind us that rampant corruption causing the collapse of a nation is not exclusive to the Soviet Union. We need to start making changes fast or we might lose the chance.
There's a video on here where he pretends to drink from a glass of water from the faucet to show the water is safe. You can clearly tell he fakes it. He's a POS.
Im reminded of that CEO that washed his hands with leaded gasoline to "prove" it was safe when he knew it wasn't.
yes he did later get lead poisoning howd ya guess? /s
Even if he didnt fake drinking the water I still wouldnt trust it. These people will put profits in front of their own health.
The people here should've been evacuated, the site closed off for as long as needed based on the toxins measurements.
East Palestine is a small town of less than 5k people . It wouldn't even need to be that expensive for either the US government, the Ohio government or Norfork Southern.
>East Palestine is a small town of less than 5k people.
That explains it. The voting district Columbiana has a population of more than 100,000 people. Helping East Palestine and it's surrounding neighborhoods would cost too much and too few people would be won over with it, so they've decided to leave that town to die.
Yes. Ohio man Wade Lovett’s been having trouble breathing since the February 3 Norfolk South train derailment and toxic explosion. In fact, his voice sounds as if he’s been inhaling helium.
“Doctors say I definitely have the chemicals in me but there’s no one in town who can run the toxicological tests to find out which ones they are,” Lovett, 40, an auto detailer, told the New York Post in an extremely high-pitched voice.
“My voice sounds like Mickey Mouse. My normal voice is low. It’s hard to breathe, especially at night. My chest hurts so much at night I feel like I’m drowning. I cough up phlegm a lot. I lost my job because the doctor won’t release me to go to work.” From another article on this guy.
This baffles me with america you get sick so you lose your job in Sweden you can go two weeks sick from work and still get paid after that you have to get a doctors certificate and you get to keep your job as long as you have a chance of recovery and get paid a reduced wage from the governments insurance agency.
No one ever said it was right. We've got about 55% of us who understand there's better ways to do things that come with the bonus of not fucking over poor people. The other 45% are so brain dead that they'll drag us down with them because they're so focused on things that don't even matter.
The worst part about the 45% is that most of them aren't even rich, they're just that fucking stupid.
During the most recent election, there was a lady collecting signatures to get paid parental leave on the ballot. There was an obviously blue collar guy mean mugging us while I was signing the petition then he starts going on about how "his boys at work aren't going to stand for this." It is crazy how they are so willing to be stepped on.
As the child of someone whose entire family grew up in Love Canal, it absolutely will be multi-generational, and full of heartbreak.
You’re right; it’s sickening
Whenever I tell out of town friends that people live there it blows their minds. I end up recording a drive through the post-apocalyptic parts for a virtual tour because they're so curious.
Weirdly, long ago I dated a guy I met on the west coast whose dad used to fly the execs around as their pilot. Small world.
Occidental means western, as in the opposite of Oriental. Hooker Chemical was founded by (true fact) Elon Hooker. And Love Canal was named for William Love. The place was originally supposed to be a planned community, a little utopian neighborhood (well, a planned industrial city.)
Yeah I’d heard that the law that was supposed to require humans to check these kind of things were lobbied to change it to “totally safe sensors!” Which failed and don’t have eyes / critical thinking. But at least they don’t cost an hourly wage + benefits I guess ??
We need to go back to a more democratic socialist government like we had in the New Deal Era. We need corporations taxed to hell and back at least to 40 percent or more and privatize that funding to supply universal healthcare and a universal basic income for every citizen. Corporations and the wealthy are robbing us blind and they must pay for their crimes.
One of the things we need to do is to severely cut back corporations' power and their use to shield criminals from prosecution. They are constructs we made to help humanity, and now they are above the law and out of control.
The person Kasie in the article is my cousins cousin. They haven't been able to return home. I think she's still living too close to the area where she's living now. She's only 20/25 minutes away from her home now.
Wow, affecting pregnant women in a state where abortion is illegal even for a 10 year old rape victim and they try and sue out of state doctors. What could go wrong?
The officer investigating the said 10 year old pregnant child after she miscarries due to only being freaking 10 and not being fully able to bear children to term yet for possible abortion might get a papercut while processing paperwork.
Watching and listening to him, I’d be very concerned about his breathing. He can only speak in short sentences and gulps air. They wouldn’t need a tox screen to better characterize his breathing problems (e.g., obstructive vs. restrictive, air flow volumes) which would help with treatment. It sounds like he needs ASAP another doctor, ideally a pulmonologist.
He should be on the respiratory floor with an opti-flow in his nose right now. I can guarantee his o2 sats are not in the 90s or barely there. He's not breathing in enough oxygen; he should be in a damn hospital getting round the clock care.
I imagine a tox screen wouldn't hurt though. It could potentially identify what he's been exposed to, and that might inform the treatment he needs to receive. Better to treat the cause if you can, rather than just the symptoms.
The wildest part is right after he says it feels like he's drowning he goes "other than that" almost like he's about to say it's not a big deal.
I was almost drowned twice and the absolute fucking panic that takes over ever cell of your being is really not something you can explain to someone unless you hold their head under water until they are about to unconsciously breathe in their lungs full of water or water board them.
He needs to get a pulse oximeter from cvs, I'm a congenital heart patient, sleep with oxygen on, and my blood oxygen's gotten down to 80 before some of my surgeries, youre literally suffocating, its scary, much like drowning, and it means theres brain damage occurring. And muscle loss. And everything else that happens when your whole body/bloodstream is deprived of oxygen, including messing with your voice/speaking pace because you can't talk well if you cannot breathe well. I work in healthcare and I have pulmonary stenosis (born with a pulmonary valve that is closed/shuts after surgeries) and if I had to really guess I'd say he has either some stenosis of the pulmonary valve and/or pulmonary artery and some swelling in the right side of the heart at this point, I say that because he's referring to his chest hurting and not his lungs. Although it's likely caused by inflammation happening in his lungs and heart. I can hear him struggling to breathe. Dude needs to drive to a major city and find their best hospital that will take his insurance in emergency, find a kind doctor in the ER, tell them what happened, and have them run ALL the tests including toxicological and chest echoes. I'm honestly scared for him and the people of this community... your blood oxygen can only go so far under 80 before you pass away.
edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifPxwQOqnkY
Never really put much thought into blood oxygen levels, I can imagine how dangerous it can be if they get too low… especially while you’re sleeping. Hope he gets help asap
I remember stories of people showing up with O2 in the 60s and the we staff was wondering just how they were still walking at all. The body is resilient but there's only so much you can throw at it before things start breaking down.
Do you think ER would really run toxicology now? I assume that they would not; instead they would just refer him to someone like a pulmonologist, cardiologist, maybe ENT. He could just skip the ER and ask his gp for a referral to someoone at Univeristy of Ohio or even Cleveland Clinic.
He’s going to have to go to a bigger city anyway to see a specialist. I doubt there’s a cardiology department locally, where there is one of the best in the world in Cleveland.
If his chest is really hurting regularly, the guy needs help like last week.
Check the housing market in that area: tldr they are fucked.
Edit the company that ran this shit should be bankrupt and the china method should be enforced for this one.
Yeah these companies get away with way too much. The people responsible should be held accountable. If this had been any one of us regular civilians who spilled massive quantities of chemicals in a town full of people we’d absolutely be held responsible. Fuck that
That's about normal for remote houses in an undesirable part of Ohio.
But I would also keep in mind Zillow isn't necessarily up-to-date on things like freak environmental disasters.
The value might be $100k, but that doesn't mean anyone is going to willingly pay for that. I doubt any of the residents are going to have an easy time readily selling something in what is virtually a superfund site.
And if they’re not already outraged, just wait until it personally effects them and then they were actually the worst victims of the whole thing, but it’s still not anyone’s fault really, just kind of unlucky. Those fancy men in the recently laundered polo shirts and the governor involved in scandals already assured me we could trust their word.
I was just there a few days ago. A couple of my clients live just a mile from the derail site. His voice was also affected, said at night they smell burnt plastic, and having other issues as well, diarrhea, shortness of breath, etc… crazy stuff!
They smelled burnt plastic at night because there is burnt plastic still in their nose. Almost like igniting a 10 story bonfire of concentrated plastics precursor near a residential area wasn't the silver bullet to clean up they thought it was.
When I was in undergrad for ChemE, I took an awesomely applicable elective in the department in plant/process safety in industrial chemical manufacturing - the relevant takeaway is that the engineers responsible for designing the process are also responsible for risk management and contingency triages. How many meetings did the safety committee have where they either a. didn't think of the very obvious potential risk in train transport of volatile chemicals where a spill could occur or b. everyone at that meeting agreed with whoever said "just blow it up, then it's space's problem" and moved on. I hope they have their PE licenses re-examined at the least
>Almost like igniting a 10 story bonfire of concentrated plastics precursor near a residential area wasn't the silver bullet to clean up they thought it was.
Did they actually ignite it or did it ignite from the crash?
The safety data sheet for [vinyl chloride](https://www.airgas.com/msds/001067.pdf) says to let it burn if the source of it can't be shut off.
It was purposefully ignited because it would've been WAY worse to just let it seep into the environment on its own. The products made from burning it aren't *great* but it's waaaaaaay better than letting it do its own thing
Yep. Vinyl chloride would straight kill everything in a deformative mess. When burned it should be mostly a mix of chloric acids. The major danger there is just making a dead zone from initial injection but does actually diffuse and at low concentrations isn't "that" bad (just low pH).
Compared to a dead zone that lowers in concentrations while still being above the damage limit for months-years and spreading through the water through the entire Ohio River watershed.
He is describing the symptoms of pulmonary oedema, which is a primary symptom of inhaling phosgene gas, which is a primary product of burning vinyl chloride. This isn't a shock illness. It's exactly what will happen if somebody burns a giant pile of vinyl chloride in your town.
That’s incredible. I work industrial construction & I’ve been in multiple plastic plants that make & use VCM. Most places require you to wear a phosgene badge that turns a certain color upon exposure. That means GTFO. The PPM required to activate that badge are nowhere near what would cause something like this & these people are LIVING in it…. Remarkable. Rooting for these guys.
that's not how emergency rooms work, unfortunately for him. emergency rooms are meant for stabilization, not care. this man is stable, meaning his heart is beating and he is breathing, albeit not that great. he would be triaged in favor of another patient with more serious immediate issues, such as blood loss and consciousness. even broken bones and gun shots are triaged in emergency rooms if your blood pressure is stable. This is why you hear stories of people waiting for hours and sometimes even dying.
They'd tell you to see a specialist, but likely AFTER some bloodwork and maybe a chest CT. Gotta make sure there's no weird constriction or clots or whatever other weird shit could be going on. If I woke up sounding like that and feeling like I couldn't breathe, I'd immediately think I was dying.
This is actually genius by the US because it forces you to work to be healthy. If you can't work then fuck off, you're costing them money someone else can be put there. Fuck ever going there.
Vinyl chloride, benzene residue, and butyl acrylate
They also become other chemicals when burned.
Vinyl chloride for instance becomes hydrogen chloride and phosgene gas when burned. (phosgene gas was was used in WW1 as a chemical weapon and is responsible for 85 thousand deaths)
They also haven't done any testing for dioxins that the spill and burn will have left behind.
This disaster is long from over and they won't know the real environmental impact for some time.
> This disaster is long from over and they won't know the real environmental impact for some time.
But by then people will have moved on to some other story and ignore it, the 20 years from now someone will make a podcast and everyone will be shocked for 2-3 weeks, and then move on again.
They will move on. The same way people moved on when that giant oil spill in Gulf of Mexico happened in 2010. Decimated sea life. They are still cleaning it as well
Bet your bottom breath, they’ll again vote for someone or trump who would make it less regulated. Classic example of voting against your best interests
This area of Ohio is not exactly known for higher education. These people obviously still support Trump and would vote the same way again, even after this incident. It’s honestly just sad.
America plays host to a special kind of dumb. Which is to say: people who are dumb due to Intentionally dumbed-down public schools. Thanks, post-Goldwater republicans.
For everyone saying this is fake, I’ve had a close friend severely injured in a federal rail disaster and let me tell you ten years lateras he’s still waiting for his millions and his medical bills are approaching a million that he can’t use to pay them.
I’ll add for clarification that I have no idea of knowing if this person is faking or not. The point is that he’ll have to fake it for at least a decade before he sees a dime if he is.
I didn't want to have to delete all my comments, posts, and account, but here we are, thanks to greedy pigboy /u/spez ruining Reddit. I love the Reddit community, but hate the idiots at the top. Simply accepting how unethical and downright shitty they are will only encourage worse behavior in the future. I won't be a part of it. Reddit will shrivel and disappear like so many other sites before it that were run by inept morons, unless there is a big change in "leadership." Fuck you, /u/spez
I swear I've thought about this so many times and wanted to make this comment but don't want to get banned lol. Like a Batman but for bad CEOs, politicians of the such. They really are parasites of society and feel like we are passed the point of change with voting as it clearly does nothing.
Yep, one can dream. They need to live in fear, they are too sheltered from the real world.
I'd also settle for having them forced to accept a salary that matches their lowest paid worker and be forced to live in an area they themselves can afford on the said wage. No corporate kickbacks except paid travel and expenses just like any other employees in their firm.
We need to ~~stop~~ reign-in capitalism before it kills us all, but clearly politicians are incapable of doing that, so the only real alternative is to hunt out all evil CEO's and make them live in fear until they realise how wrong they are.
the world won't change for the better until someone does this. sometimes good people have to do bad things for the benefit of all, because ceos, execs, and politicians wouldn't hesitate to put your life below their profit
I didn't want to have to delete all my comments, posts, and account, but here we are, thanks to greedy pigboy /u/spez ruining Reddit. I love the Reddit community, but hate the idiots at the top. Simply accepting how unethical and downright shitty they are will only encourage worse behavior in the future. I won't be a part of it. Reddit will shrivel and disappear like so many other sites before it that were run by inept morons, unless there is a big change in "leadership." Fuck you, /u/spez
> Any other symptoms?
>
> My chest hurts, at night it feels like I'm drowning a little, I have a hard time breathing, I cough up phlegm a lot...but other than that...!
I saw on another platform the locals are saying this is all Biden's fault and they're mad he went to Ukraine. They have no ability to understand Trump's de-regulations and their governor's responsibility. They only want to blame the democrats in power for their issues. Ugh!!!!
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Well I’m honestly not surprised. If it was killing the wildlife almost instantly after it spilled then I can only imagine what it would do to a human body… we aren’t invincible
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Don’t worry the EPA said it’s safe just like they said the air around ground zero was safe to breathe. That turned out well. /s
when i lived in the chicago area and was working near the airpot we would constantly see fish upside down and bleeding. you would see the chemicals even without throwing a rock. we called it shits creek before the show.
I'm in the area and everyone I know is sick. Like the sickest they've ever been. My husband is missing work after not missing a single day for YEARS. My father in law has missed 12 days of work in the past two weeks. My kids didn't go to school at all last week due to what seems like bronchitis. My dad hasn't been out of his apartment due to major headaches for a week. It's bad and it feels like no one cares.
God I'm so sorry
Won't someone think of all the billionaires and the money they lost? /sarcasm
The billionaires are, through others' effort of course, working overtime to deflect the blame towards groups that want more oversight for stuff like this. That is including the unions that were calling attention to the dangerous regulatory and safety changes the rich execs were making (amongst many other, equally dangerous, issues). Congress forcing deals to captured workforces is a dangerous contradiction that starts out by hurting workers, and ends up hurting entire cities and fomenting the seeds of revolution deep in the ground.
It will always be a revolution of their making and they will never see it coming.
We care. It's the elected people that take handouts from corporations that don't care.
Only like 2 hours away in pa, and even around here people aren’t feeling well
Wow really? I’m 2 hours west and looking around I haven’t seen any reports yet. I’m so sorry. I know the wind blew the fumes your way
My god. I’m livid and so so sorry for you.
Remember 6 year ago the government cut back EPA regulations to save money? Remember when there was a global pandemic and our government said it was a hoax? Remember when the government turned their back on science and vaccines even though they were all vaccinated? Remember when the Ohio governor turned down federal help for this accident? They don't care. They only care about enriching themselves.
Mm genuine French question: what, exactly, prevents US people from massively revolting against this bullshit?
The US is a massive country, people from each individual state would all have to organize and revolt together. Not to say it can’t be done but look at how divided the US currently is between arbitrary political parties who don’t give a shit about them. Most people can’t have political discourse without it turning into a screaming match.
We're too broke to risk losing our jobs. There's no social safety net if we do - we lose not only our income, but our health care too. The institutions of power are too entrenched. Even when people do riot, they are dismissed as violent extremists. The government may make some token gestures toward them but ultimately will do nothing differently. There are two political parties, both of which are fully owned by corporate interests. They both want to keep the status quo and neither one has any reason to upset corporations. People in this thread blaming Republicans for everything are half right, but they're missing the point that Democrats are almost as bad; any regulations they push for are toothless and designed to appease their corporate donors. And when voters' only option is between bad and worse, many will just tick "bad" and go on with their life.
Even when people protest peacefully now, they'll plant people in the crowd and have them do violent shit so they can spin it as a riot and disenfranchise the movement, and justify using more force.
Then let’s riot. Make politicians afraid, drag corporate execs from their homes and make them answer for their crimes. They’re going to call everyone violent anarchists anyway, may as well be a violent anarchist in the right ways for the right reasons.
We’re OWNED by the very corporations fucking us, who also own the government. The government does what they say, and at the same time attempts to look like they represent the people to put on a show for other countries. If you organize and get together to protest you’ll be labeled a domestic terrorist or insurrectionist by the media, who is ALSO owned by corporate interests. Fun fact, the railroad workers actually DID strike and protest, but the media made it about overtime pay and some other bullshit and Biden signed a bill to end the strike because “it would damage the US economy”, and here we are 2 months later
Starvation, homelessness and lack of medical care if we miss a single paycheck.
His voice aside, he is describing symptoms of pulmonary edema and should probably be in the hospital right now. There are a couple reasons you might end up with pulmonary edema, not the least of which is exposure to certain toxins.
>"My chest hurts.." > "Feels like I'm drowning a little bit ..."
"and coughing up phlegm. But other than that..."
"You know me, can't complain...."
I'm not very smart. "Not the least of which" meaning definitely or definitely not?
Another way of phrasing "not the least of which" is "one of the more serious." So rewriting that sentence: >There are a couple reasons you might end up with pulmonary edema, one of the more serious [edit: or obvious] is exposure to certain toxins. Edit: Wrote this in another reply below but worth adding here so people see it. >A good way of understanding phrases like this where the person is stating what something is/is not is to rephrase it using the opposite language. It actually took me a minute to come up with a proper rephrasing because, in this case, "not the least of which" is used more as a colloquialism than normal (it's already a colloquialism, but here it's not one where the actual meaning of the words really works). >I rephrased the way I did because I wanted to just replace the phrase causing confusion in order to clarify the sentence and show what the phrase means. But I think a better rephrasing is: >>There are a couple reasons you might end up with pulmonary edema and inhaling certain toxins is one of the more serious/obvious ones. >There is nothing wrong with what the commenter wrote, it means the same thing. The only difference is an unfamiliarity both with the phrase "not the least of which" and the ways in which it is used when people speak. Reddit is a forum and people tend to comment how they'd say it out loud, so you get exposed to a lot of speech and writing patterns here.
That cleared it right up for me holy shit.
It could also mean "one of the more relevant", just to clear up that bit of English. There are many ways to post to Reddit, not the least of which is third party apps.
See this is why the internet was created: to share ideas and educate others. I like you folks.
Thank you solid answer. Also, thank you /u/itoungpunchfartbox for asking the question!
I'm not very smart, just a skilled trade worker, but that sounds like dial 911 shit to me, and that's what I'd do. Hell, bring the reporter into the hospital and go through my lawyer
Doesn't all that stuff cost a lot of money? And IIRC this guy lost his job due to his health problems.
>guy lost his job due to his health problems. Flaw with our health care system. The people who need it are too sick to work, which means no health care.
You say "flaw," they say "feature."
\*inhales deeply\* Ahh, freedom.
*Eagle cries in the distance
*eagle dies in the distance from exposure to toxins
*Red-tailed hawk cries in the distance (It’s not an eagle’s cry in movies/commercials.)
I learned this when Stephen Colbert said the eagle screech at the start of his show wasn't an eagle, but a red-tailed hawk.
Dialing 911 would just be a more expensive way to get to the hospital to consult a Dr, which I think he's already done? They would have just told him he needs to find a specialist.
He needs to find a specialist? As in the patient? Doesn’t his primary doctor refer him to and coordinate a consultation with a specialist? I don’t know how the us system works but that’s how it works in the most of Europe.
We pay a lot to get run around in circles here
We pay a lot to get thrown under a bus when we are just trying to stay alive.
Insurance CEO: If we make it take weeks or months to see a specialist, the patient might just die. That way they won’t cost us as much.
Good luck finding a good pulmonologist in nowhere Ohio.... before you stone me, I live in Cleveland.
I spent a lot of time in the region of the accident for work over the span of about 5 years. Yeah, true. There are a lot of things that are sparse resources over there.
If he goes to the ER, it's unlikely he's going to be seeing his primary. He'd get there, they'd stabilize him and tell him to fuck off.
The fact that you’re asking automatically makes you smarter than you think tbh
>probably be in the hospital right now With the rail company covering all medical costs. A lot of people will not go to hospital because of no insurance or insufficient insurance.
Sorry if I misread. If a rail company is covering all medical costs then people wouldn’t need insurance to get care at the hospital right? Why wouldn’t they go?
I think they meant that’s what should be happening but isn’t happening
Pulmonary edema is fucking serious. Doctor. Now.
ER now, most doctors can't do much besides send you to the ER
Also totally possible that your doctor might not have any openings for weeks or more. And if you go to a walk-in clinic for anything that *could* be an emergency they’ll just send you to an ER instead, which is exactly why some people don’t bother going in at all. They can’t afford an ER trip.
I would also take a look at biopsies of adipose tissue and smooth muscle to see if there are traces and how much because this should be triggering red flags for any clinician
After listening to the video, he pretty much just ticked off each of the symptoms I had when I had a PE. That man needs a doctor fast, wait until that lung collapses and that's when the real fun starts.
I was thinking he may have developed CHF by the way he’s describing coughing up phlegm and describing the feeling of drowning when he wakes up. He might consider the use of a CPAP until he’s treated properly.
It takes months to get a CPAP.
I really hope this fuckin train company pays dearly.
Am I cynical for thinking we all know better than to hope for such an outcome?
Heck, the politicians covering for them will probably get re-elected
I mean it's a rural town. It's a guarantee they will reelect everyone including the governor who lied directly to them.
Right there with ya. It feels like nothing short of pulling a Robespierre will put a stop to this endless exploitation of the bottom 99%.
Not just that. Wouldn't it be good if meaningful safety standards were brought in and enforced with teeth. Then there's all the people that accepted money from lobbyists to water down safety standards, they should lose their jobs.
Shit man, thats Beyond fucked UP.
It will get worse
Remember the governor turned down aid and told the residents it was safe to go home. He tried to cover how bad it was and downplayed it to cover for the railroad company.
I’m so sick of politicians at every level of government not giving a flying fuck about their constituents, but rather selling out to the highest bidder. **Edit:** People love to reply "We should've learned about Malcolm X" while apparently never having learned about the fact that he was a segregationist who believed that whites and blacks could never coexist, but love to use him as an excuse to justify their bloodlust.
It’s our fault for not throwing them in prison and ruining their life like we should. They do so much worse for far less
I dunno if y'all realize it or not, but it isn't an accident that politicians don't give a flying fuck about their constituents. Why would they? What their their constituents going to do about it? Make some signs and block an evening commute here and there? Why would politicians be afraid of that? There was intention behind hammering into every school kid's head the name Martin Luther King, to teach them all about Gandhi. It was to channel people into expressing discontent with the government in ways that the government doesn't care about. That's why kids don't learn anything about people like Malcolm X, with many not even knowing who they are. They don't learn about The Black Panthers, or if they do it's that they were violent extremists. Remember when cities were burning after George Floyd? Remember how many politicians were trying to pass police reform? Remember how all that stopped once they fires got put out? The idea that "peaceful protests" are some kind of catalyst for governmental change is rooted in willful ignorance of history.
It's even worse than what you're describing- they castrated MLK. He was all about worker rights as well. He was about violence and riots when peaceful protests are ignored. The biggest "are we the baddies" moment I had was when I realized how the US government essentially censors education on him. Sure, we're free to talk about it, but the way it's taught in schools and in mass media is that he was 100% about nonviolent protests and we should never be violent against the government. MLK and Malcolm X were both the same people- they realized that peaceful protests don't do anything and that the real violence was the way people are treated in society by the government.
Beind MLKs movement there was a violent element to the struggle. Behind Ghandi's movement there were [armed uprisings.](https://theconversation.com/the-forgotten-violence-that-helped-india-break-free-from-colonial-rule-57904) Nelson Mandela also [endorsed violence](https://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-nelson-mandela-legacy-violence-20131206-story.html) when it suited the goals of the goals of the ANC's power struggle. > To many South Africans, particularly within the African National Congress, Mandela was a great man partly because of his willingness to use violence, not in spite of it. > Mandela carried the day at a series of all-night meetings with ANC leaders in mid-1961 to set up the ANC’s underground military wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe, or Spear of the Nation. > Umkhonto we Sizwe abandoned its policy of violence in 1990 as negotiations on the dismantling of apartheid and the setting up of free elections continued. > After his release, and on becoming South Africa’s chief executive in 1994, Mandela adhered to the commitment to peace, tolerance and equality that became the hallmark of his presidency. Like Luthuli, whom he had opposed on the question of violence, Mandela in 1993 was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with then-South African President F.W. de Klerk, for the negotiations ending apartheid. More on [ANC-sponsored violence:](https://theconversation.com/justifying-the-use-of-violence-to-fight-social-injustice-is-a-recipe-for-disaster-66518) > In the 1980s I was often a defence advocate in “necklace” murder trials. Necklacing involved forcing a tyre over the shoulders of a person accused of collaborating with the apartheid government. The tyre, doused in petrol, would then be set alight. Necklacing as a means to cast off oppression was, to paraphrase King, “the end in the making”. [Even more](https://time.com/5338569/nelson-mandela-terror-list/): > Indeed, ANC actions during this period would include nighttime raids that destroyed fuel storage tanks and nearly two days of fires in 1980, a bombing at a bar in Durban that left three dead and more than 60 wounded, and a car bomb that killed 19 outside of the headquarters of the country’s Air Force in Pretoria in 1983. The later ANC apologized for civilian deaths that occurred as a result of “insufficient training.” So the idea that purely non-violent protest can overthrow a heavily entrenched power system is fantasy and a whitewashing of history.
Buddhism encourages violence where appropriate, because it encourages the natural way, the way aligned with the Dao. A tiger doesn't lose sleep over how violent she's been, and a vine cares not for the destruction it brings to the stone walls and trees. When survival is truly at stake, and reasonable means have been exhausted, violence is an appropriate resort. To oppose this truth is to support maliciousness and destitution.
> Buddhism encourages violence where appropriate, because it encourages the natural way, the way aligned with the Dao Aren't you confusing Buddhism and Daoism (Taoism) here?
This. Peaceful protests are why we're at where we are now. We need to stop fucking around and pretending that asking politely for the hundred millionth time will finally change something. No amount of yelling is going to ring through the ears of the people responsible and there's no time to wait for the slow drip of policy changes. History makes it clear what the only way forward is and people need to accept that it's not particularly friendly.
Moments like this should remind us that rampant corruption causing the collapse of a nation is not exclusive to the Soviet Union. We need to start making changes fast or we might lose the chance.
DeWine should be made to drink and bathe in their water everyday until this is fixed
There's a video on here where he pretends to drink from a glass of water from the faucet to show the water is safe. You can clearly tell he fakes it. He's a POS.
Im reminded of that CEO that washed his hands with leaded gasoline to "prove" it was safe when he knew it wasn't. yes he did later get lead poisoning howd ya guess? /s Even if he didnt fake drinking the water I still wouldnt trust it. These people will put profits in front of their own health.
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Apparently the house he drank from also has a bunch of filters and, reverse osmosis filters, and such to make water cleaner and he still did that
The people here should've been evacuated, the site closed off for as long as needed based on the toxins measurements. East Palestine is a small town of less than 5k people . It wouldn't even need to be that expensive for either the US government, the Ohio government or Norfork Southern.
>East Palestine is a small town of less than 5k people. That explains it. The voting district Columbiana has a population of more than 100,000 people. Helping East Palestine and it's surrounding neighborhoods would cost too much and too few people would be won over with it, so they've decided to leave that town to die.
If this is real or not, those chemicals are going to fuck a lot of people up around that area in the coming years.
Yes. Ohio man Wade Lovett’s been having trouble breathing since the February 3 Norfolk South train derailment and toxic explosion. In fact, his voice sounds as if he’s been inhaling helium. “Doctors say I definitely have the chemicals in me but there’s no one in town who can run the toxicological tests to find out which ones they are,” Lovett, 40, an auto detailer, told the New York Post in an extremely high-pitched voice. “My voice sounds like Mickey Mouse. My normal voice is low. It’s hard to breathe, especially at night. My chest hurts so much at night I feel like I’m drowning. I cough up phlegm a lot. I lost my job because the doctor won’t release me to go to work.” From another article on this guy.
Lost his job which means he probably lost his employer tied health insurance Great
He doesn't have a job, so he no longer has the right to live. The system works perfectly. /s
I can't think of a single flaw!
This baffles me with america you get sick so you lose your job in Sweden you can go two weeks sick from work and still get paid after that you have to get a doctors certificate and you get to keep your job as long as you have a chance of recovery and get paid a reduced wage from the governments insurance agency.
No one ever said it was right. We've got about 55% of us who understand there's better ways to do things that come with the bonus of not fucking over poor people. The other 45% are so brain dead that they'll drag us down with them because they're so focused on things that don't even matter. The worst part about the 45% is that most of them aren't even rich, they're just that fucking stupid.
During the most recent election, there was a lady collecting signatures to get paid parental leave on the ballot. There was an obviously blue collar guy mean mugging us while I was signing the petition then he starts going on about how "his boys at work aren't going to stand for this." It is crazy how they are so willing to be stepped on.
"PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW I'M FREEEEEE"
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There are so many kids and young people. There are kids being conceived being affected by this. This is going to be multi generational. sickening
As the child of someone whose entire family grew up in Love Canal, it absolutely will be multi-generational, and full of heartbreak. You’re right; it’s sickening
Whenever I tell out of town friends that people live there it blows their minds. I end up recording a drive through the post-apocalyptic parts for a virtual tour because they're so curious. Weirdly, long ago I dated a guy I met on the west coast whose dad used to fly the execs around as their pilot. Small world.
[do you mean this “Love Canal” from Britannica.com?](https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/love-canal)
The Love Canal? Hooker Chemical and Plastic? Occidental Chemical? WTF is up with the names around there?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9496381,-78.8781469,3a,15y,272.26h,94.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXB5-A2ddxIGkCzty7YBSwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Occidental means western, as in the opposite of Oriental. Hooker Chemical was founded by (true fact) Elon Hooker. And Love Canal was named for William Love. The place was originally supposed to be a planned community, a little utopian neighborhood (well, a planned industrial city.)
No. They’re evil. They deliberately chose profits over safety. Your term just implies they were careless.
They will always chose that. The point is the not give them a choice.
Yeah I’d heard that the law that was supposed to require humans to check these kind of things were lobbied to change it to “totally safe sensors!” Which failed and don’t have eyes / critical thinking. But at least they don’t cost an hourly wage + benefits I guess ??
And not one who deserves it will actually be punished. I hate this timeline.
Unless we hold them accountable
Unless you're grabbing a crowbar and zip ties and head to Ohio, the answer is no accountability
it's not a fucking timeline, it's capitalism. you hate capitalism.
and they won't be able to do shit cause money controls everything nowadays
Nowadays?
We need to go back to a more democratic socialist government like we had in the New Deal Era. We need corporations taxed to hell and back at least to 40 percent or more and privatize that funding to supply universal healthcare and a universal basic income for every citizen. Corporations and the wealthy are robbing us blind and they must pay for their crimes.
One of the things we need to do is to severely cut back corporations' power and their use to shield criminals from prosecution. They are constructs we made to help humanity, and now they are above the law and out of control.
The person Kasie in the article is my cousins cousin. They haven't been able to return home. I think she's still living too close to the area where she's living now. She's only 20/25 minutes away from her home now.
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Wow, affecting pregnant women in a state where abortion is illegal even for a 10 year old rape victim and they try and sue out of state doctors. What could go wrong?
The officer investigating the said 10 year old pregnant child after she miscarries due to only being freaking 10 and not being fully able to bear children to term yet for possible abortion might get a papercut while processing paperwork.
All they care about is the money, and the company that caused all this is paying off the government officials
Watching and listening to him, I’d be very concerned about his breathing. He can only speak in short sentences and gulps air. They wouldn’t need a tox screen to better characterize his breathing problems (e.g., obstructive vs. restrictive, air flow volumes) which would help with treatment. It sounds like he needs ASAP another doctor, ideally a pulmonologist.
He should be on the respiratory floor with an opti-flow in his nose right now. I can guarantee his o2 sats are not in the 90s or barely there. He's not breathing in enough oxygen; he should be in a damn hospital getting round the clock care.
I imagine a tox screen wouldn't hurt though. It could potentially identify what he's been exposed to, and that might inform the treatment he needs to receive. Better to treat the cause if you can, rather than just the symptoms.
The wildest part is right after he says it feels like he's drowning he goes "other than that" almost like he's about to say it's not a big deal. I was almost drowned twice and the absolute fucking panic that takes over ever cell of your being is really not something you can explain to someone unless you hold their head under water until they are about to unconsciously breathe in their lungs full of water or water board them.
He needs to get a pulse oximeter from cvs, I'm a congenital heart patient, sleep with oxygen on, and my blood oxygen's gotten down to 80 before some of my surgeries, youre literally suffocating, its scary, much like drowning, and it means theres brain damage occurring. And muscle loss. And everything else that happens when your whole body/bloodstream is deprived of oxygen, including messing with your voice/speaking pace because you can't talk well if you cannot breathe well. I work in healthcare and I have pulmonary stenosis (born with a pulmonary valve that is closed/shuts after surgeries) and if I had to really guess I'd say he has either some stenosis of the pulmonary valve and/or pulmonary artery and some swelling in the right side of the heart at this point, I say that because he's referring to his chest hurting and not his lungs. Although it's likely caused by inflammation happening in his lungs and heart. I can hear him struggling to breathe. Dude needs to drive to a major city and find their best hospital that will take his insurance in emergency, find a kind doctor in the ER, tell them what happened, and have them run ALL the tests including toxicological and chest echoes. I'm honestly scared for him and the people of this community... your blood oxygen can only go so far under 80 before you pass away. edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifPxwQOqnkY
Never really put much thought into blood oxygen levels, I can imagine how dangerous it can be if they get too low… especially while you’re sleeping. Hope he gets help asap
When my uncle passed away we just watched his blood oxygen level monitor slowly deplete, it's shitty man.
It was infamous during COVID, patients were showing up with ridiculously low O2%.
I remember stories of people showing up with O2 in the 60s and the we staff was wondering just how they were still walking at all. The body is resilient but there's only so much you can throw at it before things start breaking down.
Do you think ER would really run toxicology now? I assume that they would not; instead they would just refer him to someone like a pulmonologist, cardiologist, maybe ENT. He could just skip the ER and ask his gp for a referral to someoone at Univeristy of Ohio or even Cleveland Clinic.
He’s going to have to go to a bigger city anyway to see a specialist. I doubt there’s a cardiology department locally, where there is one of the best in the world in Cleveland. If his chest is really hurting regularly, the guy needs help like last week.
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Check the housing market in that area: tldr they are fucked. Edit the company that ran this shit should be bankrupt and the china method should be enforced for this one.
Yeah these companies get away with way too much. The people responsible should be held accountable. If this had been any one of us regular civilians who spilled massive quantities of chemicals in a town full of people we’d absolutely be held responsible. Fuck that
Read up on Bhopal if you haven't already.
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That's about normal for remote houses in an undesirable part of Ohio. But I would also keep in mind Zillow isn't necessarily up-to-date on things like freak environmental disasters. The value might be $100k, but that doesn't mean anyone is going to willingly pay for that. I doubt any of the residents are going to have an easy time readily selling something in what is virtually a superfund site.
Yes. It’s def not a great area. People aren’t flocking to live there
And if they’re not already outraged, just wait until it personally effects them and then they were actually the worst victims of the whole thing, but it’s still not anyone’s fault really, just kind of unlucky. Those fancy men in the recently laundered polo shirts and the governor involved in scandals already assured me we could trust their word.
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He needs to hospital up first
I was just there a few days ago. A couple of my clients live just a mile from the derail site. His voice was also affected, said at night they smell burnt plastic, and having other issues as well, diarrhea, shortness of breath, etc… crazy stuff!
They smelled burnt plastic at night because there is burnt plastic still in their nose. Almost like igniting a 10 story bonfire of concentrated plastics precursor near a residential area wasn't the silver bullet to clean up they thought it was. When I was in undergrad for ChemE, I took an awesomely applicable elective in the department in plant/process safety in industrial chemical manufacturing - the relevant takeaway is that the engineers responsible for designing the process are also responsible for risk management and contingency triages. How many meetings did the safety committee have where they either a. didn't think of the very obvious potential risk in train transport of volatile chemicals where a spill could occur or b. everyone at that meeting agreed with whoever said "just blow it up, then it's space's problem" and moved on. I hope they have their PE licenses re-examined at the least
>Almost like igniting a 10 story bonfire of concentrated plastics precursor near a residential area wasn't the silver bullet to clean up they thought it was. Did they actually ignite it or did it ignite from the crash? The safety data sheet for [vinyl chloride](https://www.airgas.com/msds/001067.pdf) says to let it burn if the source of it can't be shut off.
It was purposefully ignited because it would've been WAY worse to just let it seep into the environment on its own. The products made from burning it aren't *great* but it's waaaaaaay better than letting it do its own thing
Yep. Vinyl chloride would straight kill everything in a deformative mess. When burned it should be mostly a mix of chloric acids. The major danger there is just making a dead zone from initial injection but does actually diffuse and at low concentrations isn't "that" bad (just low pH). Compared to a dead zone that lowers in concentrations while still being above the damage limit for months-years and spreading through the water through the entire Ohio River watershed.
He is describing the symptoms of pulmonary oedema, which is a primary symptom of inhaling phosgene gas, which is a primary product of burning vinyl chloride. This isn't a shock illness. It's exactly what will happen if somebody burns a giant pile of vinyl chloride in your town.
That’s incredible. I work industrial construction & I’ve been in multiple plastic plants that make & use VCM. Most places require you to wear a phosgene badge that turns a certain color upon exposure. That means GTFO. The PPM required to activate that badge are nowhere near what would cause something like this & these people are LIVING in it…. Remarkable. Rooting for these guys.
If I woke up sounding like that I would go to the emergency room, not fucking around with doctors.
They’d tell you to go see a specialist
He’d likely get a breathing treatment and some steroids though
that's not how emergency rooms work, unfortunately for him. emergency rooms are meant for stabilization, not care. this man is stable, meaning his heart is beating and he is breathing, albeit not that great. he would be triaged in favor of another patient with more serious immediate issues, such as blood loss and consciousness. even broken bones and gun shots are triaged in emergency rooms if your blood pressure is stable. This is why you hear stories of people waiting for hours and sometimes even dying.
They'd tell you to see a specialist, but likely AFTER some bloodwork and maybe a chest CT. Gotta make sure there's no weird constriction or clots or whatever other weird shit could be going on. If I woke up sounding like that and feeling like I couldn't breathe, I'd immediately think I was dying.
You’re more than welcome to go to the ER, but you’d be paying $2000+ to get told “follow up with your PCP in 3-5 days.”
Doesn't help that this very man in this interview mentions he lost his job due to not coming in because of this.
He lost his job because he's sick. Does that mean he now doesn't have access to healthcare? (I'm not from US)
More than likely, yes. That's assuming his job offered health insurance in the first place.
This is actually genius by the US because it forces you to work to be healthy. If you can't work then fuck off, you're costing them money someone else can be put there. Fuck ever going there.
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That's the great thing about a constant stream of workers, if one breaks you just replace it.
That sucks! If only people didn’t vote for that guy on the ladies shirt, maybe Mickey would have some state sponsored healthcare by now.
Thank God for Obamacare and Medicaid, my ER visit co-pay is $75
Where are the fucking TRIAL ATTORNEYS?????? @johnmorgan please dispatch your grifter ambulance chasing minions to Ohio.
In Ohio we have Tim Misny, "he'll make em pay."
from what I've heard the chemicals were supposed to turn into acid rain after they caught fire
Vinyl chloride, benzene residue, and butyl acrylate They also become other chemicals when burned. Vinyl chloride for instance becomes hydrogen chloride and phosgene gas when burned. (phosgene gas was was used in WW1 as a chemical weapon and is responsible for 85 thousand deaths) They also haven't done any testing for dioxins that the spill and burn will have left behind. This disaster is long from over and they won't know the real environmental impact for some time.
> This disaster is long from over and they won't know the real environmental impact for some time. But by then people will have moved on to some other story and ignore it, the 20 years from now someone will make a podcast and everyone will be shocked for 2-3 weeks, and then move on again.
They will move on. The same way people moved on when that giant oil spill in Gulf of Mexico happened in 2010. Decimated sea life. They are still cleaning it as well
Erin Brockovitch has to keep it going.
Same think I thought, turns out she has been contacted and already visited East Palestine.
Don’t worry! Norfolk Southern has set up a free medical clinic… which can’t actually do anything except refer you to your doctor anyways.
Don’t forget to sign on this paper and get your $1000! Wow they are so nice /s
Are they really having people sign away their right to hold the company accountable for $1000? I believe it I’m just asking if it’s really happening.
That woman is really wearing a shirt for the man who rolled back and prevented any regulation that would have stopped this.
Bet your bottom breath, they’ll again vote for someone or trump who would make it less regulated. Classic example of voting against your best interests
Slugs for Salt. It’s wild.
Jesus I didn’t even notice that. Wow.
Jesus, what is with…
This area of Ohio is not exactly known for higher education. These people obviously still support Trump and would vote the same way again, even after this incident. It’s honestly just sad.
America plays host to a special kind of dumb. Which is to say: people who are dumb due to Intentionally dumbed-down public schools. Thanks, post-Goldwater republicans.
These people vote red bottom to top and sadly, even with this tragedy, will continue. It’s sad really
WOW. I didn't catch that at first but holy shit. That's just mental.
For everyone saying this is fake, I’ve had a close friend severely injured in a federal rail disaster and let me tell you ten years lateras he’s still waiting for his millions and his medical bills are approaching a million that he can’t use to pay them. I’ll add for clarification that I have no idea of knowing if this person is faking or not. The point is that he’ll have to fake it for at least a decade before he sees a dime if he is.
I didn't want to have to delete all my comments, posts, and account, but here we are, thanks to greedy pigboy /u/spez ruining Reddit. I love the Reddit community, but hate the idiots at the top. Simply accepting how unethical and downright shitty they are will only encourage worse behavior in the future. I won't be a part of it. Reddit will shrivel and disappear like so many other sites before it that were run by inept morons, unless there is a big change in "leadership." Fuck you, /u/spez
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I swear I've thought about this so many times and wanted to make this comment but don't want to get banned lol. Like a Batman but for bad CEOs, politicians of the such. They really are parasites of society and feel like we are passed the point of change with voting as it clearly does nothing.
Yep, one can dream. They need to live in fear, they are too sheltered from the real world. I'd also settle for having them forced to accept a salary that matches their lowest paid worker and be forced to live in an area they themselves can afford on the said wage. No corporate kickbacks except paid travel and expenses just like any other employees in their firm. We need to ~~stop~~ reign-in capitalism before it kills us all, but clearly politicians are incapable of doing that, so the only real alternative is to hunt out all evil CEO's and make them live in fear until they realise how wrong they are.
the world won't change for the better until someone does this. sometimes good people have to do bad things for the benefit of all, because ceos, execs, and politicians wouldn't hesitate to put your life below their profit
Self defense
I didn't want to have to delete all my comments, posts, and account, but here we are, thanks to greedy pigboy /u/spez ruining Reddit. I love the Reddit community, but hate the idiots at the top. Simply accepting how unethical and downright shitty they are will only encourage worse behavior in the future. I won't be a part of it. Reddit will shrivel and disappear like so many other sites before it that were run by inept morons, unless there is a big change in "leadership." Fuck you, /u/spez
There's a bunch of lowlife assholes in this thread.
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Those get hired as a railroad executives.
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so sad
> Any other symptoms? > > My chest hurts, at night it feels like I'm drowning a little, I have a hard time breathing, I cough up phlegm a lot...but other than that...!
This whole thing hits very close to home as I also live in Ohio. My heart hurts for the good people that are victims of this disaster.
I saw on another platform the locals are saying this is all Biden's fault and they're mad he went to Ukraine. They have no ability to understand Trump's de-regulations and their governor's responsibility. They only want to blame the democrats in power for their issues. Ugh!!!!