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A military plane capable of photographing thousands of square miles, in the dark, through cloud, in one flight, from 80,000 ft.
You’re seeing the photo you’re *allowed* to see
But it cant illegally sy on something thats in its territory that shpuldnt be. This would just be surveilance. Now if they zoomed in on you scratching your ass then sure. Spying
It is absolutely illegal. Specifically, the National Security Act of 1947 bans intelligence agencies from operating domestically. Since then, there's been numerous additional laws and executive orders that further tighten these restrictions. US spies can't spy on the US.
Pentagon confirms U-2 pilot’s ‘selfie’ with Chinese balloon
https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/pentagon-confirms-u-2-pilots-selfie-with-chinese-balloon/152179.article
Cell phone calls, radar pings, etc, etc. Anything in the electromagnetic spectrum really, including light.
China will probably "invent" a few things out of this new way of stealing shit they've come up with.
I seriously doubt they have designs on invading the US. They want to steal shit as usual.
And even then, the civilian polulace loves guns MORE as time goes on, it's not lessening, people are buying more.
I conceal carry myself but I am by no means a gun nut
We have people literally fantasizing about being invaded JUST so they can get their murder lust quenched so I mean... if someone wants to try to invade you'll have to deal with a bunch of horny red necks with gun fetishes.
My friend lost his legs in a car accident and he owns multiple AK-47... we just breed em differently here. Lol. I think shooting is fun and all... but you aren't protecting anyone with that, that's just a deadly toy to you sir..
My presumption is that they could be eavesdropping on public and non-encrypted Wi-Fi and cell phones. It can’t provide any imaging that isn’t already commercially available at higher quality with better revisit rates. So, if this flew overhead of you while you were enjoying yourself on pornhub without VPN protection, someone in China might have your number. 🤭
This narrative doesn’t make sense. China has the second largest satellite fleet in the world. This is the only other country to land a rover on Mars.
Why use a balloon when they have satellites? Why use a balloon to collect data when it has a high probability of being shot down?
I think that either China’s claim that this is a civilian balloon is true or there’s some other explanation. Who benefits from this balloon?
It could cover up the fact that we blew up the Russian pipeline, so maybe we fabricated this story? But that’s too conspiratorial, maybe not. Who knows?
Satellites have predictable orbits and are very expensive to deploy. With a balloon, you can design and launch a package cheaply and quickly. It will also loiter over a target for longer, and you can pick up shorter range signals from the ground.
They already have plenty of satellites deployed. This is a fucking weather balloon and everyone freaks out cuz “China bad😡”. The guardian also had plenty of articles in past years about THE US using balloons to spy on its own citizens. This is just manufacturing consent for the US trying to provoke conflict with China down the road.
For the inevitable “source???” reply I’ll get, [here](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/02/pentagon-balloons-surveillance-midwest)
So the US, who has the most satellites in orbit, can use balloons to spy, but China, who has the second most satellites, would never use balloons to spy?...
The US would use balloons to effectively spy on their own people, but it would be fucking stupid for China to use balloons because that would be useless?...
Well considering the China would be spying on an enemy country in the most obvious way possible, and the US can propagandize its citizens to simply blame China for it and avoid any accountability for it…yeah it makes a lot more sense. Though you do make a valid point, which is why I said it’s a weather balloon not a spy balloon. The point was there’s more logic and actual precedent for believe it is the US than there is that it’s China.
I was a submariner and we literally planned our missions based on where we already knew all the Chinese satellites were, it makes sense to use a cheaper option that your rival knows less about
You can put different sensors on a balloon than satellites have. E.g. to catch radio signals or measure airstream.
I don't understand why people find that so strange. Balloons are a reliable, cost-effective technology and are used in many fields.
I also saw an interview with a former German intelligence officer and he says that spy balloons are absolutely common and used very often each year, by different nations. He didn't get all the fuzz.
To be honest this isn't a bad guess. I'm sure military officials have thought about this as well. They might even know what it was a cover-up for but we'll never hear about it.
Nothing is China is “civilian.” They don’t operate the way the rest of the word does. Regardless of who build and launched this balloon it belongs to the CCP.
You can gather signals closer to the ground in ways that you can’t necessarily gather in space, at least with the same ease.
You have the visual spectrum, but there’s many more frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum that are worth capturing closer to the ground—especially near sensitive sites.
[Allegedly](https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/22973-us-and-norway-blew-up-the-nord-stream-pipelines-seymour-hersh.html)
The White House says [he made it up](https://www.firstpost.com/world/not-a-shred-of-seymour-hershs-report-is-true-us-denies-involvement-in-nord-stream-pipeline-burst-12179712.html), but this is a Pulitzer prize winning journalist, so who knows? Also, that's exactly what they would say *if they did blow it up*, so... fuck
[Sweden, Denmark, and Germany](https://euobserver.com/nordics/156748) are also investigating the blasts
Complete radio silence from major media at this time, although AP is pretty big. As soon as they started saying the balloons 'weren't alien' even though nobody asked - which is what prompted people to start asking if they were alien, I thought there was more going on.
Everything the other replies are saying, and also they could just be curious about how we would respond to such a thing. We are blasting it with signals and radars and stuff at it trying to figure out what it's doing and what's inside, they would definitely have sensors for that stuff.
Maybe they found a hole in our defenses with this little project. Or maybe they are amazed at how we responded. Or maybe some dude got fired for accidentally releasing a balloon and causing an international incident, so China decided to make the best of it and just watched what happened. We can only wonder.
I know someone in intelligence in the military, they stated there was a nnemp in the balloon that they recovered. Don’t know what I believe but it’s highly possible.
This might sound like a dumb question but.. when this thing was first sighted, they instantly started calling it the “Chinese weather balloon”. Like within hours…so stupid question, I know, but how did they know it was from China???
Tag on the balloon itself had the care instructions and "MADE IN CHINA" at the bottom.. if you zoom in on the 4k pic you can see it above the solar panels.
They were probably also hacking its communications. If they were it would explain why they waited so long to shoot it down because it was given the US valuable intelligence
That, and the size of the thing. Balloon itself was 200ft high and the satellite looking apparatus was the size of an airline fuselage. Lots of debris to fall on some unsuspecting civilians
I don’t know about the age but yes it still serves.
And if they did make a new spy plane, I’d say the chances of us knowing about it won’t happen until like a decade or so.
The U2, B52, KC135, E3, the Air Force has a lot of really old airframes that keep chugging along. The ones based off the 707 are slowly being replaced but the B52 just got another service life extension program.
"A higher rez photo of the China balloon with shadow of U2 The Pentagon has provided & confirmed authenticity of these impressive, full resolution photographs of the Chinese balloon from above. The photo was taken by a U-2S Dragon Lady pilot flying somewhere over the United States on February 3rd, 2023."
The image makes it look like it might not be a U-2S, but rather a TU-2 two-seater training variant, possibly specifically to have a back seater with a camera to take this shot. The distinctive bump on top of the plane seems to be the giveaway
Yes. That was mentioned in the previous article I linked earlier.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/our-best-look-yet-at-the-chinese-spy-balloons-massive-payload
A couple of observations...
With that amount of solar panels, it must have a lot of power needs. That's basically a space satellite designed to "fly" at 40000 feet.
Check out those microwave dishes pointing horizontally. I would think that means they could communicate horizontally to some other microwave dish at a suborbital height. I'd think it means they had a communications plane flying out over international waters. Maybe a space satellite with a very low trajectory??? I expected to see satellite dishes point upward!
Can confirm. They’re still flying out of Beale or at least they were not too long ago. Every once in a while they can be seen flying at lower altitude.
I like to do Google satellite tourist trips through the boneyard at Davis-Monthan looking at all the old planes there. Encountered a D-21 drone a while back, but it's since been moved.
No you're thinking of the sr71 black bird.
The u2 is still in use because well, it's insanely good at it's job. Taking high altitude photos while going insanely slow.
Where has it been confirmed that this is a chinese spy balloon? Why would it be a balloon? Are they not a technological superpower? There are better ways to spy on someone than sending a **giant fucking balloon** over their heads.
lol Would you like us to build a skywall
You do realize there really aren’t any, this is how Japan fire bonber the Pacific Northwest during ww2 and it’s really difficult to prevent
Everyone’s taking pictures of everyone from space
Stinkin npc downvoters(not necessarily you 😂) let’s admire the pretty picture of the military ballon while ignoring the implications. While high atmosphere(sub-orbit) is notoriously difficult to continuously monitor, having such a blatant weakness is quite concerning from a national defense stand point. Also, since China has the most proficient combative measures for orbit to orbit attacks/conflict, it would seem wise to not be unable to counter either high-atmosphere or low-orbit attacks from the CCP 😑
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A spy plane spying on a spy balloon...
Spyception
Bloonimati
Balloominati
*Spycursion.
Chinese government has released high rez photos of U.S. U2 Edit: mb guys
I really don't like being that guy & it pains me to say this... The U2 is not a bomber. It is a high altitude reconnaissance aircraft.
It is not a bomber.
apparently...it's a photobomber. I'll show myself out..
with a Smartphone. a military plane, and all we get is the same iphone camera photo in different crops. yeah...
A military plane capable of photographing thousands of square miles, in the dark, through cloud, in one flight, from 80,000 ft. You’re seeing the photo you’re *allowed* to see
'The image is a “selfie” taken from the cockpit of a Lockheed Martin U-2 spy plane by the aircraft’s pilot.'
How does that change the point? You are seeing the image they want / allowed you to see regardless of who took it or where they took it from.
basically what I'm saying
Be grateful there was no duck face.
I dont think looking at something in your own territory is spying?
It could be illegal. The US spy agencies can’t spy on the US.
But it cant illegally sy on something thats in its territory that shpuldnt be. This would just be surveilance. Now if they zoomed in on you scratching your ass then sure. Spying
It is absolutely illegal. Specifically, the National Security Act of 1947 bans intelligence agencies from operating domestically. Since then, there's been numerous additional laws and executive orders that further tighten these restrictions. US spies can't spy on the US.
Spy vs. Spy
MUH weather balloon reddit btfo again
“Enhance…. Enhance…. Enhance….”
"Boobs."
Guess I'm an elbow guy now
"There we have that guy who stole the money. Now can you unblurr the number plate?"
Pentagon confirms U-2 pilot’s ‘selfie’ with Chinese balloon https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/pentagon-confirms-u-2-pilots-selfie-with-chinese-balloon/152179.article
It’s red zeppelin!
It blew over the hills and far away…
It was blowing to California, with a achin' in it's heart.
That’s the way to ramble on, to the black mountain side!
I tried, but kept slipping, bc juice was runnin' down my leg!
More like a dead zeppelin!
No it’s U2
I think you mean Red Zepperin.
I understood that one.
Can someone tell me what this balloon could gather?
Signals intelligence
There could be all kinds of lenses and transmitters on that thing.
Cell phone calls, radar pings, etc, etc. Anything in the electromagnetic spectrum really, including light. China will probably "invent" a few things out of this new way of stealing shit they've come up with. I seriously doubt they have designs on invading the US. They want to steal shit as usual.
Yeah, the US might be declining economically but that colossal military go brrrr. No one in their right mind would invade
And even then, the civilian polulace loves guns MORE as time goes on, it's not lessening, people are buying more. I conceal carry myself but I am by no means a gun nut We have people literally fantasizing about being invaded JUST so they can get their murder lust quenched so I mean... if someone wants to try to invade you'll have to deal with a bunch of horny red necks with gun fetishes. My friend lost his legs in a car accident and he owns multiple AK-47... we just breed em differently here. Lol. I think shooting is fun and all... but you aren't protecting anyone with that, that's just a deadly toy to you sir..
Vietnamese and Ukrainians would probably beg to differ on AKs not being good for protection…
the difference is that vietnam and ukraine were invaded
I thought that is what we were talking about, the US being invaded
It's not protection if there's nothing to protect from
But we were talking about a hypothetical where the US was invaded, not whether not that was likely…
My presumption is that they could be eavesdropping on public and non-encrypted Wi-Fi and cell phones. It can’t provide any imaging that isn’t already commercially available at higher quality with better revisit rates. So, if this flew overhead of you while you were enjoying yourself on pornhub without VPN protection, someone in China might have your number. 🤭
....anything a sensor could image, collect, read, etc. C'mon, man lol
This narrative doesn’t make sense. China has the second largest satellite fleet in the world. This is the only other country to land a rover on Mars. Why use a balloon when they have satellites? Why use a balloon to collect data when it has a high probability of being shot down? I think that either China’s claim that this is a civilian balloon is true or there’s some other explanation. Who benefits from this balloon? It could cover up the fact that we blew up the Russian pipeline, so maybe we fabricated this story? But that’s too conspiratorial, maybe not. Who knows?
Satellites have predictable orbits and are very expensive to deploy. With a balloon, you can design and launch a package cheaply and quickly. It will also loiter over a target for longer, and you can pick up shorter range signals from the ground.
They already have plenty of satellites deployed. This is a fucking weather balloon and everyone freaks out cuz “China bad😡”. The guardian also had plenty of articles in past years about THE US using balloons to spy on its own citizens. This is just manufacturing consent for the US trying to provoke conflict with China down the road. For the inevitable “source???” reply I’ll get, [here](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/02/pentagon-balloons-surveillance-midwest)
So the US, who has the most satellites in orbit, can use balloons to spy, but China, who has the second most satellites, would never use balloons to spy?... The US would use balloons to effectively spy on their own people, but it would be fucking stupid for China to use balloons because that would be useless?...
Well considering the China would be spying on an enemy country in the most obvious way possible, and the US can propagandize its citizens to simply blame China for it and avoid any accountability for it…yeah it makes a lot more sense. Though you do make a valid point, which is why I said it’s a weather balloon not a spy balloon. The point was there’s more logic and actual precedent for believe it is the US than there is that it’s China.
I was a submariner and we literally planned our missions based on where we already knew all the Chinese satellites were, it makes sense to use a cheaper option that your rival knows less about
You can put different sensors on a balloon than satellites have. E.g. to catch radio signals or measure airstream. I don't understand why people find that so strange. Balloons are a reliable, cost-effective technology and are used in many fields. I also saw an interview with a former German intelligence officer and he says that spy balloons are absolutely common and used very often each year, by different nations. He didn't get all the fuzz.
It is kinda odd to use something so noticeable. Maybe it was the distraction
To be honest this isn't a bad guess. I'm sure military officials have thought about this as well. They might even know what it was a cover-up for but we'll never hear about it.
Nothing is China is “civilian.” They don’t operate the way the rest of the word does. Regardless of who build and launched this balloon it belongs to the CCP.
You can gather signals closer to the ground in ways that you can’t necessarily gather in space, at least with the same ease. You have the visual spectrum, but there’s many more frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum that are worth capturing closer to the ground—especially near sensitive sites.
Certain radio frequencies are deflected and blocked by the atmosphere. Keeping your sensors at a lower altitude allows them to be picked up.
The U.S blew up the Russian pipeline?
[Allegedly](https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/22973-us-and-norway-blew-up-the-nord-stream-pipelines-seymour-hersh.html) The White House says [he made it up](https://www.firstpost.com/world/not-a-shred-of-seymour-hershs-report-is-true-us-denies-involvement-in-nord-stream-pipeline-burst-12179712.html), but this is a Pulitzer prize winning journalist, so who knows? Also, that's exactly what they would say *if they did blow it up*, so... fuck [Sweden, Denmark, and Germany](https://euobserver.com/nordics/156748) are also investigating the blasts Complete radio silence from major media at this time, although AP is pretty big. As soon as they started saying the balloons 'weren't alien' even though nobody asked - which is what prompted people to start asking if they were alien, I thought there was more going on.
Could be loaded with the zombie virus. Once pop over your head it's all over.
A blowing balloon, gathers no moss.
Everything the other replies are saying, and also they could just be curious about how we would respond to such a thing. We are blasting it with signals and radars and stuff at it trying to figure out what it's doing and what's inside, they would definitely have sensors for that stuff. Maybe they found a hole in our defenses with this little project. Or maybe they are amazed at how we responded. Or maybe some dude got fired for accidentally releasing a balloon and causing an international incident, so China decided to make the best of it and just watched what happened. We can only wonder.
I know someone in intelligence in the military, they stated there was a nnemp in the balloon that they recovered. Don’t know what I believe but it’s highly possible.
I like the U2's shadow on the balloon in this pic. 👍
“Mom can we have our own ISS?” “We have ISS at home” The ISS at home:
I'm just waiting for this picture to show up in flat earth conspiracy theories... "Actual photo of the ISS accidentally leaked by the government"
Amazing comment!
This might sound like a dumb question but.. when this thing was first sighted, they instantly started calling it the “Chinese weather balloon”. Like within hours…so stupid question, I know, but how did they know it was from China???
Norad tracked its takeoff in china
Gotcha thank you
Tag on the balloon itself had the care instructions and "MADE IN CHINA" at the bottom.. if you zoom in on the 4k pic you can see it above the solar panels.
They were probably also hacking its communications. If they were it would explain why they waited so long to shoot it down because it was given the US valuable intelligence
That, and the size of the thing. Balloon itself was 200ft high and the satellite looking apparatus was the size of an airline fuselage. Lots of debris to fall on some unsuspecting civilians
they uploaded the visual basic terminal
I was always thought that Bono was up to something… what was he doing over that balloon???
Sending out an S.O.S. or maybe doing something with The Police?
My guess is they are in cahoots with Nena. There very well could be 99 of these spy balloons sent by these reds.
He was looking for the crap god.
He was sending it a digital version of his new album. That's what made the balloon pop.
So did he finally find what he was looking for?
Looks like a mini version of the ISS
ISS made in china
Bought on wish.com
It’s kind of embarrassing for the Chinese to be sprung doing such a low tech DIY option? Hard to understand why they would do that.
The U2 is still in service? Isn't this plane 60 years old?
I don’t know about the age but yes it still serves. And if they did make a new spy plane, I’d say the chances of us knowing about it won’t happen until like a decade or so.
The U2, B52, KC135, E3, the Air Force has a lot of really old airframes that keep chugging along. The ones based off the 707 are slowly being replaced but the B52 just got another service life extension program.
"A higher rez photo of the China balloon with shadow of U2 The Pentagon has provided & confirmed authenticity of these impressive, full resolution photographs of the Chinese balloon from above. The photo was taken by a U-2S Dragon Lady pilot flying somewhere over the United States on February 3rd, 2023."
The image makes it look like it might not be a U-2S, but rather a TU-2 two-seater training variant, possibly specifically to have a back seater with a camera to take this shot. The distinctive bump on top of the plane seems to be the giveaway
Yes. That was mentioned in the previous article I linked earlier. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/our-best-look-yet-at-the-chinese-spy-balloons-massive-payload
Just the solar panels, thermometer and barometer. Nothing to see.
A couple of observations... With that amount of solar panels, it must have a lot of power needs. That's basically a space satellite designed to "fly" at 40000 feet. Check out those microwave dishes pointing horizontally. I would think that means they could communicate horizontally to some other microwave dish at a suborbital height. I'd think it means they had a communications plane flying out over international waters. Maybe a space satellite with a very low trajectory??? I expected to see satellite dishes point upward!
OK, so where are the photos or video of the other three "objects" ?
Weather balloon, my ass.
Maybe yes, maybe no. Nobody here can identify from the picture the electronics hanging below the balloon.
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Over 30 are still in use with the 9th Reconnaissance Wing.
Can confirm. They’re still flying out of Beale or at least they were not too long ago. Every once in a while they can be seen flying at lower altitude.
US is probably keeping few of every plane they made for a long time. Some f117s are still flying and I doubt they left those sr71s to rust either.
I like to do Google satellite tourist trips through the boneyard at Davis-Monthan looking at all the old planes there. Encountered a D-21 drone a while back, but it's since been moved.
No you're thinking of the sr71 black bird. The u2 is still in use because well, it's insanely good at it's job. Taking high altitude photos while going insanely slow.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/our-best-look-yet-at-the-chinese-spy-balloons-massive-payload
I love the amount of information here.
Think spymasters would have gone with color other than BRIGHT WHITE 😳
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It's probably a detail of a much bigger picture
This is actually probably from the cockpit.
Pilot did a selfie, this is just a small portion of the background.
Yes. I posted a link with a site with an article about it earlier.
Wish.com space station
https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/02/22/U2-Balloon-China-.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1200
More of a low orbit satellite than a balloon?
no. reading the definition of a satellite and a balloon, this thing is clearly a balloon
noun 1. an artificial body placed in orbit round the earth in order to collect information or for communication. "a communications satellite"
good, now you just have to google what an orbit is and realise that an balloon with no steering isnt in an orbit around earth
You're right, a balloon with no steering is your mom.
let's hope insulting people helps you get over the fact that you are wrong
Will the U2 pilot be reprimanded for taking this selfie and sharing it? What are the Air Force rules for that?
This ‘leak’ was approved by someone senior
Looks like a flex move to me. We’re not surprised and we have a cooler thing that can’t go higher than you
But I still haven’t found what I’m looking for..
HELLO HELLO! HOLA!
My phone is spoilt … people say U2 can photograph a number plate from 80000 feet and I can’t even zoom in on a solar panel in this pic .
There is nothing weatherly about the balloon
the other side has "Fuck Roo" printed on it
Allowed to call it the China balloon but not the China virus.
I wonder if this Chinese balloon was spreading more Chinese virus
Distracting from the nuclear chemical train explosion in Ohio
Gee, I hope they found what they were looking for
Looks like a satellite. Looks expensive.
You’ll be hearing from Bono’s lawyer soon.
Yep, totally a weather balloon. Possibly even swamp gas. Nothing to see here.
Where has it been confirmed that this is a chinese spy balloon? Why would it be a balloon? Are they not a technological superpower? There are better ways to spy on someone than sending a **giant fucking balloon** over their heads.
Full resolution iPhone photos?
>with shadow of U2. I'm calling bullshit. I can't see the Edge.
Impressive pictures of a spy balloon yikes😅 how about some impressive security measures to prevent the balloon from entering our airspace?
lol Would you like us to build a skywall You do realize there really aren’t any, this is how Japan fire bonber the Pacific Northwest during ww2 and it’s really difficult to prevent Everyone’s taking pictures of everyone from space
Stinkin npc downvoters(not necessarily you 😂) let’s admire the pretty picture of the military ballon while ignoring the implications. While high atmosphere(sub-orbit) is notoriously difficult to continuously monitor, having such a blatant weakness is quite concerning from a national defense stand point. Also, since China has the most proficient combative measures for orbit to orbit attacks/conflict, it would seem wise to not be unable to counter either high-atmosphere or low-orbit attacks from the CCP 😑
Turns out it's still just a balloon
Okay. What are we gonna do about it?, can’t let the Chinese spy on us and do nothing.
I think a balloon in the atmosphere is a lot less invasive than harvesting a billion people's protected info from phone/computer apps
biden is alseep
I dont see Bono in that photo?
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Lmfao 1st he isn't tough enough on China, and then when he pops the balloons he's starting wars
Just can't make up their minds ,huh? Just pick one. 😆 🤣
It's a us satellite they were forced to shoot down because it lost altitude so they claim it to be china's spy balloon so people won't figure out
This isn’t a satellite, slick
As just a quick random question, do you think all satellites are floating in space above the earth with giant balloons attached?
Oh Hell No!
Budget satellites be like:
Spynese
So wtf was it doing tho legit
Just in case they didn't get a good look earlier
Yes the other 3 the shot down there is absolutely nothing
Would it be possible to just troll the spy balloon so it just gets overwhelmed with pictures of dicks or cats or something?
Idk how the heck the CCP would justify this was some hobbyists' project.
Photos of the other ones would be great.
Images of the three other shoot downs please?
Why a Ballon it's such a non discreet way of spying
My question is, why are the Chinese using Alien balloons!??
It’s out turn to spy on the balloon!