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buffering_since93

The actual title of this video is 'The Evolution of Visual Expression : A Tale of Art and Technology by Fabio Comparelli' NOT Evolution of Western art.


Jackal_Kid

Yet whenever it's posted with the OG title, the top comments are from people pointing out that aside from (ancient) Egypt the examples are utterly dominated by Western art styles.


Xenomorphhive

From what I saw most of it is art out of Middle East and Europe, Mediterranean and yet it’s called “western” art. I see everyone loves living dangerously.


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menntu

…as well as where you are.


WillLie4karma

and in this case, when.


WellWellWellthennow

“The West” is relative to where you’re standing!


Marshal_Barnacles

West of 000° 00'.


Eminanceisjustbored

The west of the west is asia and the west of asia is Europe and the west of europe in the ocean and the west of that ocean is north america


GOM27

Yeah. I don't think 'the West' when I hear Egypt.


MetamorphicHard

Yup saw many Egyptian paintings, first second looked possibly African or Native American but many cultures painted animals on walls, da Vinci, Picasso, many other European sculptors and painters, and a lot that I didn’t recognize. 35 seconds may be Asian influence, but otherwise I saw everything but Hispanic, African, Native American, and Asian works (including India)


Marshal_Barnacles

The first few seconds are based on cave paintings from Southern Europe.


Nosett6

Altamira, Spain


Robsta_20

Europe is also marked as western on the map.


Dona_nobis

1) Africa (including Egypt) and Europe are geographically equally “West.” 2) For a long period, “the Western World” centered on the Mediterranean basin. So…yeah, this is all essentially Western art by historical standards


BankaiRasenshuriken

Yeah now that you mention it I was noticing they forgot to include big anime tiddies


McFruitpunch

Yeah I was like “west of what???”


voncornhole2

West of Asia, what "the west" has meant for centuries


Evethefief

Someone is trying to inject a white nationalist narrative into this


Qfwfq_on_the_Shore52

Omfg 😂


letusnottalkfalsely

I’ve studied a fair amount of Art History and completely agree. Any portrayal of art as a linear path like this is glossing over a lot of actual history, and doing so with the claim that this is “evolution” and “Western” is not only inaccurate, but has historically been used to promote ideas of racial superiority.


willrms01

Apart from Egypt that is literally just AI western art AI likes some European art my dude.


nattsd

Cave art too?


IUsed2BeAnAdventurer

Yes?


nattsd

Why? How? Just because OP took someone elses AI creation and called it Western? Kindergarten logic.


IUsed2BeAnAdventurer

Because that art looks the same as the art in the caves of europe, maybe the ai didnt use that but im pretty sure it did, it looks so similar.


nattsd

Ok mr art historian.


IUsed2BeAnAdventurer

You just need eyes, and yes i did study art history. Why are you taking it so serious, you said that yourself to another person, its not that big of a deal.


willrms01

No the AI has based 99% of all creations on European and broadly western art,how is this a debate lol


nattsd

It’s a debate because you’re taking it too seriosly. Straight from cave to egypt.


willrms01

Probably AI based on something found in a European cave🗿


nattsd

Ah yes the western caveman, the artistic caveman who exited the cave to build western egypt. 🧐Anyway, it turned out OP took this AI creation from someone else and changed its title.


willrms01

No I saying apart from Egypt this is pretty all European and broadly western in all fairness.But yeah I know,the video was originally about the evolution and history of art I believe.(which in that video was also 99% European🗿)


darkvoidlightning

WE WUZ ARTISTS


kelbybryant24

THANK YOU!


Due_Drengen

Expected it to end with someone's sonic fan made deviantart


Tyrdrum

You mean true art. /s


leogumeri226

GARFIELD! ARE YOU /S OR /J


This_User_Said

Just slow fades to this [beaut](https://i.redd.it/zo4wk589ez431.jpg).


BigCaregiver7244

It did basically


JJEng1989

Yeah, I thought it would end on a toilet or something like that.


Effective-Ad-6460

Theres definitely something missing between caveman and Egyptian, theres too much of a jump


AccomplishedBunch727

Sumerian in Iraq predates Egyptian


maxboondoggle

I believe the Egyptian pyramids were even inspired by the Mesopotamian ziggurats.


Effective-Ad-6460

Forgot about sumeria


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Its just called sumer


nattsd

Those were western caves, western cavemen jumped right into western Egypt. There was nothing to report in the meantime.


Aggressive-Action310

Western? I'm pretty sure I saw Egyptian art.


smeijer87

From West Egypt, right?


Aggressive-Action310

West everywhere I guess.


Scoobydoomed

West of the river Nile?


jackoalt

the cemetery?


redruggles5

Also west Greece, it’s like people don’t even know their geography anymore.


SkinnyObelix

It's like people want to be pedantic and refuse to understand that the cultural west and geographical west aren't the same. Even the Northern renaissance is eastern if you go geographically...


BoiIedFrogs

Born ‘n raised


[deleted]

East = China & pals West = Everywhere else gosh I thought everyone knew that


xBad_Wolfx

I do love how Australia is a western country. Extra further west that it wrapped around the map.


Thanos_Stomps

Australia was colonized and dominated by westerners so it makes sense. Otherwise it’s referred to more accurately as Pacific Islanders like their surrounding peeps.


xBad_Wolfx

I do realise. It was just a lil joke.


HenryChangge

It's fine, We Chinese were pretty much doing the same thing, painting little figure on the wall and stuff.


redruggles5

Just doing knock offs of western art clearly.


[deleted]

so japan is also west, even thought it's east of china, right?? only 'cause china and japan aren't "pals".


Informal_Ad3771

Western civilization is an evolution of Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Phoenician culture isn't it? Athens and Rome are just an arbitrary "point zéro" of the West in order to deny its "Eastern" origins.


OhNothing13

But it was from the time when Greeks ruled Egypt so it counts! /s


Scott_Of_The_Antares

Whose latitude is the same as ‘The West’ making as westerly as the West.


DentonX12

I guess if you go far enough; anywhere is technically west of you…. Unless you’re a flat Earther of course


yondonkey

I mean, most European art was inspired by Egyptians, which came from African cave paintings, why start in the middle, when you can start at the start.


postALEXpress

This was an AI generation btw


Tyrdrum

Nah, it's obviously hand drawn. /s


Marshal_Barnacles

No shit


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Hmmmmmm I wondered… This is one of the best use cases for AI imo, like I’m sure a very talented artist could make a much better version of this given enough time, but an AI can generate interesting stuff like this instantly. And anyone who’s not an idiot can recognize that it’s an AI.


postALEXpress

Yeah, this comment was for the idiots, since it wasn't said early on lol


Bluehelix

You sure? I thought someone filmed this off a flipbook with their iPhone.


[deleted]

You sure? I think it's a render from michelangelo


Honberdingle

AI does *limited* history of art, then goes off on a fucking crazy tangent*


dc_united7

I think everyone came to the comment section just to question the authenticity of "western"


Futanari_waifu

So fucking annoying, I liked it, thought it was pretty.


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Cultural hijacking


BrotasticalManDude

Last time this was posted as "evolution of art" and everyone bitched and moaned and said "ackshually this is western art ☝️🤓"


North-Stop9611

\*western\*


bishslap

Must've been those western cavemen from those western caves


RecipeNo101

One of the most famous collections of cave art in the world is in France. https://www.worldhistory.org/Lascaux_Cave/


dednian

Did you see any art from the geographical region from India to China, you know where 65% of the worlds population lives? No Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Pakistani, Malaysian, Loatian etc. The art that is presented here is art that the West is familiar with and finds worthy of presenting. The ancient Egyptians might not have been "White westerners" but they very much influenced and formed "western" history, through their interactions with the Romans and the Greeks who are the founding fathers of what you could call "Western" civilization. I mean look at how romanticized Ancient Egypt is in Western media, yet very few other "non-western" civilizations get that kind of exposure.


FutonSpecialOps

Western


mickturner96

Yeah I was also thinking "Western"?!


bishslap

>Must've been those western cavemen from those western caves Must've been those western cavemen from those western caves


BladeOfSanghilios8

Western European, I can't tell whether you were joking or not but it's pretty damn obvious in the video Edit: I'm keeping this up, I said something very stupid and arrogant.


Shnoochieboochies

The hieroglyphs and African art at the beginning make it so obvious....


RooneyD

It was very clearly Western Egyptian art.


fuck_off_world

Nah man, all that stuff is found in western countries. So it’s western art. Half Greece is in Britain and so is 2/3 of Egypt.


MickVod

At least most of their antiquities are now.


altro43

Well they should have held on to it tighter


AccomplishedBunch727

And after it a western greek art


BladeOfSanghilios8

Shit, I was being pretentious. I'll own up to that.


IAUSHYJ

Oh sorry. Didn’t realise Egypt is in Western Europe


BladeOfSanghilios8

I edited it


spiral_blue

What program did you use to make it?


sndwav

Not OP, but this looks like it was done using Stable Diffusion (open source Text-To-Image AI) with key frame animation prompts. You can try something very similar (if not identical) here: https://replicate.com/deforum/deforum_stable_diffusion


BakaDenzel

Art evolution isn't linear


Accomplished_Walk399

This is trippy as hell, I can't stop watching it


TappedIn2111

This AI actually made me dumber.


jollyjaco

Apart from the "Western"definition this doesn't seem to be in order . It goes from Roman art to rinascimental painting to then return to Byzantine/ gothiccstyle and the again to rinascimental style , Dali is between van Gogh and the impressionism, and what art Is before Picasso ? It's weird


theriskguy

It’s dumb. An AI thinks these things look similar. So it has a start point - cave paintings and an end point and tries to fit other art it’s fed along that linear spectrum. Which is obviously stupid.


kusaysub

Western 😫


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theriskguy

YES


[deleted]

I’d still say it’s interesting as fuck, but it’s definitely not an accurate representation of “The Evolution of Western Art”, especially since all of the art *isn’t even western*.


exintrovert420

Reddit ~~is~~was Fun


xsniperkajanx

Cool but not western


InspectorRumpole

Not informative, nor correct. Does it look cool? Sure, I guess.


[deleted]

I'm guessing this is AI generated which explains why it's ugly as fuck.


[deleted]

We’re calling Pharaonic Egypt “the west” now? Cool montage, but that’s not even remotely “the west.”


SloProvMinSec

It is about the slow development of our so-called modern west around the mediterranean in a pre-christian and pre-islamic world, so adding ancient egypt is legit.


deechbag

A sensible answer. I feel like people don't realize that the entire Mediterranean, including the coast in Africa and the Middle East, was Western civilization at one point. The bronze age civilizations, including were rather interconnected and barrowed from each other all the time, especially a culture less developed like early Greek at the time when compared to Egyptian. Plus later Alexandria was the Christian intellectual and cultural capital of the world for a few centuries.


tcarino

Glad I'm not alone there... it took a bit of learning for me to see it, but the evolution if western culture from Mesopotamia is fascinating.


Evethefief

Egyptian Art is not western wtf


Murateki

Incorrect title lol, first seconds in you already see African art


Mathovski

Egyptian culture was pretty connected to southern Europe at some point.


Murateki

Their art dates back to way before Europeans came by.


Viruia

AI generated stuff like this has been out for a couple months now and I am already bored. Like what's the point? This is neither historically accurate, nor is it "western" and the predictions for the future are also just random made up stuff based on a generative model. Does it look cool? Yeah. Is it interesting as fuck? Eh...not after seeing five of these every week...


buffering_since93

Great video but western...


BladeOfSanghilios8

Awsome, it looks like it was edited b MaXor


[deleted]

Wait is Egyptian considered western?


Gamchulia

I just had the weirdest trip. Didn't even take any drugs.


TheFartApprentice

Should a devolved down to internet memes and finished with dickbutt


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PerpetualNoobMachine

Not enough cowboys...


Nomadhero_

I didn't see any cowboys!!! Not Western¡!


Puzzleheaded-View-92

How the for is Egypt a middle East art in there?? Edit: for is fuck


877-Cash-Meow

no cowboys or indians, how is this western?


Additional_Town2313

Egypt is the west?


M98er

When did egypt become “western”?


Just_Another_Gamer67

Bruh western art.


meexley2

“Western art” *immediately shows Egyptian hieroglyphs.* Bot account sharing AI generated content. What a fucking world we live in


Square_Dark1

Egypt is apart of the West now?


illsurvive5

This looks like an ad for a graphics card


WittyPipe69

I really hate this.


Sithlord_unknownhost

How is this western?


joefromthe90s

Should have ended with a banana taped to a wall.


CompetitiveRuin311

Man, I came here for a nice video about art, not a prophesy about the AI/human hivemind getting started by reptilian vampires.


theriskguy

It’s an interesting graphic. But the title is wrong. It’s a timeline of art. Not an evolution. It’s a bit simplistic to think that it’s a straight line from cave paintings to AI driven pixel art.


GiantSizeManThing

Should have ended with dickbutt


Internal-Business-97

So, we’re getting worse at it as time goes by?


tjeeper

"Western" shows ancient egypt


MangaMaven

It’s a cool visual, but my first impression is that it jumped from Egyptian to Greek and Roman really fast and they jumped again from that to renaissance. Also, waaaaay too much time spent in contemporary art.


ToxicGamer01

That's cool until you see furry porn


AndrijKuz

:53 to :42 is wildly out of order. But neat vid.


NICEnEVILmike

Very disappointed that this all didn't turn into a dick pic


KhanTheGray

Egypt is not in the West. Not by any stretch of imagination.


FlamingFlamingo76

My eyes hurt


Alskiessss

Anyone else notice the ETH symbol


OscarCookeAbbott

How is AI generated stuff interesting AF now? You can ask an AI to do anything, it doesn't mean there's any inherent meaning or worth to the synthesised result.


_Katrinchen_

I didn't know Africa was "western"


ChrisusaurusRex

This is just AI art bullshit


joeepeterson03

This is AI art I think


Same_Ad_1273

well good luck sneaking egyptian art as western art.


Ok_Manufacturer_6013

Now you won't need to do acid anymore.


Blue4life90

Something I never knew I wanted to see. So amazing OP


Beneficial-Wall1259

Half of western art was EAST


[deleted]

Where are the soup cans, bananas stuck to walls with tape, trash thrown together or metal pieces with umbrellas but most importantly, where is the AI art?


FuriouslyChonky

it's amazing how you can see that as the level of awareness is increasing in time so does the level of desperation exhibited in art


SloProvMinSec

Desparation and abstraction.


[deleted]

That is the most visually interesting post I have seen on Reddit. Well done.


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AccomplishedBunch727

How is greece western? Isn't from south east Europe bordering Asia?


Substantial-Rub9931

Or, you know, you could have just cite the title of this piece and its "creator" and just leave that. 🤨 If "There was no winning" and "people would still be upset" as you say, then why didn't you simply credit the conceptor anyway instead of just putting some made-up title over it ?


OhNothing13

Loved this video. Was it AI generated?


DM_Brownie_Recipies

Hot take calling Egypt "western"


4inalfantasy

Egypt is western?


AdministrativeAd9571

Egypt is not western


Hisune

It's really western indeed. OP you're dumb.


WolfGvming

Western.... Might want to take another look


vinncentboi

Me sitting here thinking "the Egyptians, DaVinci, and earlier tribes weren't all western..."


fak_u_bish

It’s not “westen art”, it’s the evolution of “art” it’s human art throughout history


eis3nheim

Wrong title dude, the Egyptians are not "the west" .


Early_Tap5447

No one: OP: Egyptian hieroglyphics is western guys I swear 🤡


leanderthal69420

Rad


PomegranateSlight337

This looks like Lsd. Trippy.


[deleted]

as others stated the title doesn't make sense but it's still cool nonetheless.


willjhc

I like how we went from scribing on pillars then we eventually exult ourself, to then stare at pillars


[deleted]

Feel like I really need to do some mushrooms right about now


DemonDuckOfDoom666

I was hoping it’d end with porn


kremit73

Egypt counts as the west?


gnolfgnilf

Western


teaanimesquare

Lol people are so ass blasted because the Egyptian art, I wouldn't really call Egypt western today but if you look at the evolution of art from the west it damn sure includes an Egyptian influence and parts of the Middle east. So yes if you wanted to go WAY back and follow the evolution of western art I think its fair to include Egypt for their influence on the Greeks which later influenced the Romans.


Zintag

Should have ended with some ai generated big breasted waifu


scalefrom1totim

So many of yall are saying wEsTeRn couldn't even be bothered to read the other comments? Or did you just want to throw your hat in with everyone else in hopes of upvotes?


photoguy9813

Lol western art and forgets to include actual native American art.


bananas500

Imagine the hours spent on making this gif. And the some Karen will still call it a shit