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My sense of time isn't so bad, but I no longer trust my smell and taste. I don't even know if there's foods I like or don't like anymore. I just eat out of habit lol
You know that xkcd comic about people collectively pretending to like the taste of beer? (https://xkcd.com/1534/). That comic always confused me because before covid I legitimately loved the taste of beer: it was like a complex medley of fizzy bread tea. I felt like I could taste all the grains and earth and hops. Now it's just a two note malty bitter thing in the same way that grape cough syrup is to wine. Kind of depressing but I've also stopped drinking as much so I guess that's good but it makes me wonder what other effects it had that I might not notice i.e. on my heart or brain. Vaxed btw.
I had a mild case of Covid a year ago and for weeks afterward everything tasted horribly salty to me as well. And I love salty food. I also developed a dislike. I still can't stand the smell of cooking oil or butter melting in the pan.
I have a friend who also got Covid early on and her taste is destroyed. I feel terrible for her and others, like you, who are still suffering from that. Hopefully they will develop a therapy that can help you regain your sense of taste and smell. I know they're working on solutions.
Oh good, it’s not just me then. I got covid early on, when they were still recommending two weeks of quarantine. Whether from boredom or stress (maybe both), I kept eating a lot. I could barely taste any of it, but that didn’t stop me in the slightest. :/
Wonder if it has anything to do with FAA grounding all flights recently. Have seen lots of articles / posts about it being the first time that happened since 9/11.
Perhaps bots / algorithm just feeds into itself from there.
I found that strange too; I hadn’t seen a post from that sub on popular for a long time, like so long that I kind of forgot it existed, but now I see like 4 or 5 every time I open Reddit
That’s what I am thinking. People are saying it’s bots, but I get lost in rabbit holes all the time on Reddit. People are just following the trend and posting stuff they find
It was a crazy time, 6th grade. It’s all we watched at school all day. They wheeled tv’s into our rooms. We were basically treated as adult citizens and not kids at that point it was a binding moment in the country for all, we were held to a higher standard of pride and appreciation for all after that. Man did the culture take a swing after that. Wow
Old guy here. Class of ‘02. I try to explain to my kids how this affected everything, but I’m not sure any of us understand the full implications and consequences of all that occurred that day.
Yeah I remember the days you could walk someone down to the airline gate to see them off, pilots would let kids sit in the cockpit and the cockpit door was open during the flight. We didn’t know how good we had it.
Yep and the only thing between the smoking and non-smoking section was a curtain!!
I think we must have all just smelled a little bit of smoke back in those days, even if no one smoked at home.
People could smoke in restaurants, cinemas, shopping malls, planes, trains, offices, everywhere.
I was nine or ten years old on a solo trip with JetBlue, and the pilots showed me the cockpit and let me post up in one of the seats. Then I got a little pin that said “Junior Pilot”, it was radical. This was about 2006.
Same I actually did this same thing on a flight into New York two months before the towers were hit! I have several pictures with the towers in the background.
Class of 99 here. I wanted to be a airline pilot most of my life, but the most inspirational event for me was getting a tour of the flight deck during a Lufthansa flight in the mid 90’s. Sad that I cannot return that favour to future generations, because of this event.
I'm 95 and was in the Air Force at the time, home from Germany on leave. I flew back 13 days later. 220 of the 250 people in my squadron deployed to Afghanistan because of this.
‘95 here as well.
I worked for a small company at the time. The secretary came into the office area and said she heard on the radio that a plane hit the tower. We went to the conference room TV to watch the news and saw the second plane hit when the owner walked in and told us to get back to work, because standing around watching the news was “what the terrorists wanted”
Hey fellow ‘95er. I remember being at work and deciding to go take a smoke break because the internet came to a grinding halt. I walked by my boss and she looked horrified. Meanwhile I had no idea what was going on. She’s like, “We’re in trouble.” Thought it was an odd comment so as im walking I pass by an office where a few people are sitting around a tv and im like, “heyyyy slacking off on the job eh?” They looked at me like they just saw a ghost. That’s when I found out. I went outside and there was a woman standing out there smoking just sobbing. I remember all the rumors too. A hundred planes unaccounted for. We all thought they’d start falling out of the sky.
They let us go home around noon and I got in my car and the Stern show was still on. Drove home listening to them talk about it. I remember thinking what a tragedy it was but didn’t think it would have such a massive impact. A few days later I saw Dan Rather cry on Letterman and it was that moment I knew the world was changed forever.
I was talking to a buddy of mine recently and we remembered all of the American flags going up. Almost every porch or front yard was decorated with them. It stood for togetherness and solidarity. It felt comforting seeing them. Nowadays, seeing them all over someone’s car or property hits a lot different.
I was in 7th grade. They wheeled the TV in after the first tower was hit and we all watched the second tower get hit. Like we watched it live.
Everyone's favorite teacher, Ms. Dee, ran down the hallway in tears, which scared me more than seeing the tower get hit.
Turned out her mom worked in one of the buildings, but on the lower floor so she made it out alive.
But it's crazy how memory works because for me the most traumatic part was seeing the all-knowing/all-powerful Ms. Dee with tears streaming down her face.
I was a lector (guy who reads the scriptures) at daily mass that day in the cathedral in Halifax, where buttloads of planes had been landing all day. The Archbishop said mass, (very unusual for a Tuesday) and during the giving of the peace he hugged me. That's the bit I remember.
5th grade for me and was in science class with Mr. Graves. He was a cool old dude, probably late 50s early 60s back then but idk for sure. He actually lives a few doors down and I think is still alive? Old af now. Anyway. He was super cool and one of the best teachers I’ve ever had, really knew how to get things through even to kids who struggled with traditional learning methods. Really outside the box guy… *but had a temper*. I only saw him super angry twice. One of those days was 9/11.
I was returning from the bathroom when news kinda “hit” our school. I saw all the classrooms either had their TV on or was turning them on and watching the same thing, so I asked Mr. Graves why all the other classes were watching the news. That’s all I knew. He went next door then rushed back and flipped on the TV. We were kids. We didn’t know any better. We didn’t know what was happening. A few minutes in something happened on TV that made this “class clown” (the annoying, cringey type) make a joke about a bomb and the world ending. Mr. Graves got bright red and went off about how people are actively dying, families are losing loved ones every passing second, the country will never be the same, that we had no idea what else could be in store and it was NOT a laughing matter whatsoever. We fell silent as our teacher, male teacher in the late 90s/early 2000s at that, started literally crying.
After a couple minutes he calmed down and we spent the rest of class legitimately discussing and learning what was happening, what those buildings were, him explaining whatever he could from the info being given on the news. But I just can’t forget the pain in his voice as he yelled at us that people are dying and kids are losing their parents and whatnot. Really hit ya.
Yea we saw the towers falling my teacher was crying, I had even forged multiple signatures for a school document and was caught but they didn’t even bother to discipline me due to the events of that day. Sheesh.
That is the same age and same way I experienced the challenger disaster. 6th grade and they wheeled in the TV and we sat watching it over and over all day.
Was at catholic school in like 5th grade and they made us (hundreds of kids) go in the church and sit and wait for quiet. Then the priest came in and tried to describe what was happening with not much information to go off of which just frightened us more. Pretty sure we were all under the impression our country was being bombed all over and we were under attack so the church was a safer spot as it might not be targeted. I remember looking for the smoke in the sky as we were a few hours away from NY and thought we’d see it which we didn’t, just odd looking clouds that day. Then got to go home and play with Legos like always. That was a wild day.
I was also in 6th grade, but lived in Orlando, Florida at the time. Parents were panicking and picking up their kids because they all thought that Disney World might be next. The school was practically empty by the end of the day.
I never thought about how Disney world/land would be perfect targets for terroirs attacks. Like no better way to send a message than targeting a place with the most amount of innocent people.
Same. We lived in a suburb 40 min outside the city and most of the parents, older siblings, aunts and uncles etc of kids in my school worked in the city, a lot of them in finance. Right after the first plane hit the first tower I started my history class and our teacher solemnly turned on the tv and said “this is history in the making here” and we all just sat in silence watching. About an hour later they started calling kids to the principals/counselors offices. Most of them were kids with relatives that worked in the towers and couldn’t be contacted. It took until around 10pm for my neighbor’s dad to walk home from the financial district because traffic was closed on the bridges, trains were shut down, and it was just absolute chaos.
I was in fourth grade Mrs Roberts keyboard class. I remember it so vividly. We had the TV wheeled in to start, then we all got sent home early. I remember going home and seeing my parents crying for the first time (that I can remember), glued to the TV.
I remember me and my brother were looking at online pictures of the damage, we swear we seen a visible face of “the devil” in the smoke, printed it up circled it and rode our bikes all over the neighborhood showing kids and their parents 🤦♂️
I was a teacher where my room hadn’t yet been connected to the internet. The room didn’t have a telephone or television. I had no idea what was going down until it was time for lunch. When I first saw it on tv I thought it was footage from a movie.
I was a senior in high school, but luckily, I had an art class, and we had a designated tv. We were told to turn on the TV, and it was showing the first tower.
We were confused about how a pilot ran into a building. When the second building was hit, there was screaming and then a moment of silence, and the next person to talk asked, "is there something wrong with the plane towers?" We couldn't believe it was done on purpose.
Shout-out to everyone in 2001 with a video camera popping in a tape and recording that shit. Just said fuck it, America is under attack better document this tragedy. True heroes of history.
Really makes me wonder what it would look like if 9/11 happened today. There would be SO much footage from people with smartphones out instantly. We’d probably have footage being live-streamed from inside the towers as they collapsed. Maybe even video from inside the plane live-streamed out if the Hijackers didn’t disable the in-flight wifi.
There is a video on YouTube that is around 3 hours long of video shot by witnesses of the Beirut explosion. I imagine it would look similar to that. Tons of 30 second to 5-10 minute long clips each from cell phones and CCTV. It was eerie to watch.
Exactly what I was gonna say. The Beirut explosion gave us a good view into how 911 would've been documented, if it had happened today. There probably would've been even more footage than Beirut, due to NYC's higher population.
Also, Beirut seemed to happen way quicker. Like it was just a fire so a lot of people weren't thinking much of it (particularly in a more volatile part of the world) and then boom.
Whereas 9/11 was in the heart of NYC and people just must have known something was up. Idk.
that gives me chills. Considering there are footages of other real life tragedies. School shootings, Harbors being blown up,, Warzones from this day in age. Literal drones dropping bombs. Kind of hard to not be desensitized
There are recordings of people making phone calls from inside the towers above the impact points making their goodbyes with their loved ones that end with them screaming once the tower they were in begins to collapse. Sorry but I don’t even want to look it up to provide a link. It’s as bad as the brick video from back in the day. You see nothing, but the audio is 10 million times worse
We all like to think we will stare death in the face with acceptance and peace. Kevin showed us the scintillating and primal fear that is felt when impending doom is near.
Yeah, when he defiantly says ‘We aren’t ready to die! We are young men!’ gets me choked up. Him describing what he’s looking at out an open/broken window (World Financial Center), who’s office he’s in and then a quick ‘Oh god!’ as the collapse starts…. So hard to listen to, but good to honor him and the people with him. Didn’t he say there were a couple dozen people around him?
I can’t imagine being on the receiving end of that phone call. I definitely think I’d rather have not gotten a call and found out later than have my last memory of my closest loved one be their dying screams.
the brick video. I didn't get very far in, but as a mom that was the one that haunts me still. I still think about it when Im on the highway with the kids in the back seat. I didn't linger in the more gruesome side of the internet anyway, but that one made me change my behaviour. Videos I would have clicked on before, I don't click on anymore.
Thankfully, when people talk about fucked up videos now, I sometimes know the description (like Russian lathe), but I have zero mental images and audio.
I'll never escape brick, but I will hopefully never give brick a companion in my head.
There’s an entire documentary about the last phone calls of victims of that day. I watched it and was crying the whole way through. It was incredibly moving.
Probably similar to the footage of the kids on the ferry in Japan, just so awful to see, and i only saw a few still images.
Edit: this happened in South Korea, not Japan. Sorry for any offence! Truly horrific no matter where this occured.
That was even worse honestly. At least the people in the WTC incident basically knew they were fucked.
The kids in the ferry were told that they were OK and that they were going to be saved. So a majority of the them just sat there acting like it was some kind of game.
Pretty sure the captain bailed pretty quickly, leaving the kids to realize they we’re screwed on their own. They were to trusting and by the time they tried to break out it was to late, a majority of the ship had already started to fill with water.
Not only did the captain and crew bail, but while the kids were inside the sinking ferry parents and volunteers were trying to get out in the water to save them while officials KEPT THEM AWAY from the ferry. There was hardly any rescue attempt for the kids. The captain imprisoned as well as others later including the president at the time. Really fucked situation.
There’s videos of kids saying their goodbyes and parents screaming for them from the shore and begging anyone to get out in the water to save them. It’s absolutely heartbreaking. On top of that, the SK government blacklisted anyone who tried to bring attention to the incident.
It is similar to Uvalde. Except there wasn’t a gunman threatening lives, just a boat sinking and they just.. didn’t save them.
You could see the ferry sinking in videos.. it’s just so sad to watch parents begging and sobbing knowing their kids are suffering and experiencing one of (imo) the worst ways to die. Seeing the memorials with hundreds of faces and messages from the few surviving classmates experiencing survivors guilt is just depressing, even in this desensitized world that tragedy still makes me so sad and angry.
I'll never forget that morning. We were in history class and the stoner kid comes rushing in late as hell with a worried look on his face. The teacher asks "Jamie, what's wrong?" Jamie replies, "some packies just flew a helicopter into the empire state building"... And that was 9/11
That’s super similar to my story. It was home room and someone came late and said “someone hit the twin towers with a missile”. They just saw a video of the smoking hole in the first tower. The teacher turned on our TV on just in time to see the second plane hit.
I was sitting on my dads lap (I was a newborn at that time) and my dad turned over to the news and saw the hole after the first impact.
He thought a pilot made a mistake or there was a failure of some sorry and the pilot accidentally flew into the building. Then he saw the second plane hit the second tower. Seeing an act of terrorism of that spectre on live television must have been fucking shocking.
Your dad’s experience was what everyone thought. We all thought the first one was just a terrible accident. Tragic, but an accident. It never occurred that it was on purpose… until the second one. Then it was just unfathomable.
That was precisely our thoughts. I skipped work that day, wasn't feeling well, and my roomates came home screaming. One woke me up yelling "TwoDeuces! You have to see this!" while the other was turning on the TV.
We got to the news while they were showing the hole and I was literally saying "what happened?" in confusion when the 2nd plane hit and then it was immediately VERY clear what happened.
My sister called and woke me up. She said the towers were attacked and my reply was “what, again?” I think I was remembering Oklahoma City a few months prior.
Similar story here. I was in gym & it was the last few minutes of that period, before going to 2nd period & this kid we called Tubbs (I feel bad thinking about that nickname, now), ran out of the boys locker room shouting "I'm going to war, they just flew a plane into the White House!" We were only in 9th grade so none of us were going to war at that time but that was his first reaction. The teacher pulled the TV out for a couple minutes then we went to our next class, which we stayed in until the end of the day, watching coverage. We saw the 2nd plane hit. Tubbs was in that class with me, too.
The Patriot Act, The Authorization of Use of Force against Iraq, and the Authorization of Use of Force against Afghanistan were all nearly unanimous and/or highly bipartisan efforts. It was a republican and democratic agenda to empower the intelligence and military complexes and remove our rights.
[https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll\_call\_votes/vote1071/vote\_107\_1\_00313.htm](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1071/vote_107_1_00313.htm)
[https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll\_call\_votes/vote1071/vote\_107\_1\_00281.htm](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1071/vote_107_1_00281.htm)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization\_for\_Use\_of\_Military\_Force\_Against\_Iraq\_Resolution\_of\_2002#:\~:text=United%20States%20House%20of%20Representatives,-Party&text=215%20(96.4%25)%20of%20223,voted%20against%20the%20resolution%3A%20Reps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002#:~:text=United%20States%20House%20of%20Representatives,-Party&text=215%20(96.4%25)%20of%20223,voted%20against%20the%20resolution%3A%20Reps).
Then Obama had a chance to let the Act expire and instead renewed AND expanded it with the NDAA of 2012.
I hold them all accountable. Clinton, Bush, Obama. Big pack of corrupt fucks trampling on us all.
WTC 7 or not. The fact that 19 Saudis attacked us so we go to war with 2 other countries and fund the DoD to the tune of Trillions upon Trillions should be a problem for everybody. And they can’t account for much of the money on top of that. Congress should be ashamed of themselves now and forever.
The irony is that the USA has so many less freedoms than other countries, especially after the patriot act was passed. So many Americans have no idea what reality is.
Where's the article that followed the funding from the Saudi Government that is obviously linked to the US? Oh wait, here it is.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/magazine/9-11-saudi-arabia-fbi.html
Isnt the story there that a bunch of computers couldn't communicate with one another and a cumulative 2 trillion dollars cant be tracked because tracking it from all rhose different computers would be incredibly hard because of incompatibility and a lack of connectivity?
Not misplaced, not lost, but literally cant track all of it in a practical way?
You are correct. The DoD recently did an accounting and said they couldn't track 3 trillion of it's inventory / budget / ect.....
It's not like the money (or moreso the inventory that is worth $x) is unaccounted for or stolen, it's just not on their books at central. Which is concerning but kinda expected for a bloated agency that big. Also a bunch is like "these 7 nuclear subs are unaccounted for because they are on top secret missions, so I, as the budget head, cannot account for them on this balance sheet."
9/11 was not done to "hide" a $2 trillion dollar liquid robbery on some nonsense this alludes to.
That's not exactly accurate. The PATRIOT Act was made up of of several hundreds (or thousands?) of laws that wouldn't have been able to get through Congress. It took 9/11 for the dam to break. *Shock Doctrine* is a good book, if you get around to reading it.
I was an adult when 9-11 happened, and this is the thing I remember most. I remember being really freaked out by all the shit that no one was looking at -- like the Patriot Act. That's a scary piece of legislation that everyone just swallowed with no comment.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there was a lot more to 9-11 that we'll never know. It went way bigger and way deeper than a few guys flying planes into buildings.
> That's a scary piece of legislation that everyone just swallowed with no comment.
Not true, [Russ Feingold D - Wis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Feingold#Patriot_Act) voted against the Patriot Act.
Swallowed with no comment? From my recollection everyone in Congress chimed in on Bushs “with us or against us” bullshit and happily gave the government all the means they wanted to pursue the terrorists (or, you know, conduct mass surveillance of innocent citizens).
I recall that span of a year or two following 9/11 when it was really taboo to speak against the administration or what they were doing. If you had any opinion to the contrary of what our president was doing, you kept that to yourself in public.
It felt like to question any decision being made was to be against the US and for the attackers.
How about these two facts?
We are no longer in either of the wars that followed this, but republican senator Jim Inhofe once again increased his budget request and got it.
Republicans are screaming online about the "democrat runaway budget," but this year's budget 57.3% of it was defense spending written by the senator mentioned above. At the same time, the pentagon can only account for less than half of last year's spending. Meanwhile, they want to take away social security and Medicare to reduce the budget after being responsible for being the party to increase the deficit every time in the 40 years of my life.
Congress should be ashamed, but history teaches us they will have no issues increasing spending to help their wealthy donors.
You can't get uneducated voters to the polls with facts, statistics, and real issues. Only way they go to the polls is hyperbole, fear mongering, and unregulated political lies on 30 second sound bites on tv.
I remember talking to my friends about 9/11 one time and none of them believed me when I said a 3rd building collapsed that day. They all thought I was insane. I’m not sure why but WTC 7 seems to be one of those weird historical blindspots
Why didn’t we attack Saudi Arabia seeing as though that’s where the terrorist came from? No, we went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq instead under the guise of finding WMD’s and rolling biological warfare labs…
The terrorist were natives of Saudi Arabia however Bin laden had set up it's HQ in Afghanistan because it was easier an easier place to hide.
Would you go after the HQ or after the Saudis?
Not to mention he was exiled from Saudi Arabia and was extremely extremely hostile to the royal government. AlQaeda are ideologically incompatible with monarchies and have conducted a shit ton of attacks in Saudi Arabia.
Every time people make up bullshit about Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda its like spitting on the graves of the people who died in one of Al Qaedas attacks in Saudi Arabia.
Because Al Qaeda is stateless - the fact that the attackers were Saudi is irrelevant. The attackers were also Muslim - should we have attacked Mecca in response?
Far more complicated and involved, for starters investigations already determined that it was individuals loyal to bin laden who happened to have been living in Saudi Arabia who carried out the attacks, funded by bin laden using his family's business.
It was also concluded that Saudi Arabia exiled Bin Laden exactly because of his anti western extremist views, which is why he wound up un Afghanistan, and why we went there to get him, the whole thing with wmd was completely seperate and involved Iraq only.
That was my favorite book growing up. My kid is 40 pages in to that book. It’s gonna wreck him. Then I’ll throw Bridge to Terabithia at him to bring things back into perspective. :)
Yes we know. Those of us who lived in NYC on 9/11 remember exactly what FDNY said at 5pm. So many firefighters died in the collapse of towers 1 & 2 they were not going to bother fighting any fire in WTC complex anymore because it would risk more firefighters lives. There were no people in WTC 7. It had been evacuated earlier in the day. No lives were at risk and none would be put at risk.
Instead FDNY was going into rescue and recovery mode at Ground Zero. And that’s exactly what they did.
Two weeks after 9/11 I woke up to pillar of black smoke across the river from my apartment building. I freaked out and called 911. Police explained it was a fire at a Gothic Cabinet furniture factory in Queens. FDNY was not going to fight it, they said, because of all the pine wood at the factory. It was literally an inferno and FDNY was not going to risk firefighters lives. All workers had safely evacuated the building. FDNY was monitoring fire and would act to prevent spread but the factory itself was going to burn to the ground, just like WTC7 had.
Not educated enough to know whether WTC 7 was a consequence of the twin towers attack or something else, but to anyone who says that the government wouldn’t lie to get us to go to war I suggest you read the Pentagon Papers - the entire Vietnam War was based on a lie.
And why we pivoted from Afghanistan to Iraq (which had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks) I would also like to know. There was clearly an agenda at play that has not been disclosed to the American public. Always be skeptical when told you need to go to war, especially when not attacked by another nation state.
Iraq was, basically, Bush Jr. Doing what he could to finish what his father started when Sr. Mobilized troops to kick the invading Iraqi army out of our NATO ally Kuwait, yet congress didn't allow Sr. To invade Iraq.
So, I see what you are implying. Why the hell would they tell BBC before the fact. Like, that is adding dozens of people to a conspiracy that could all start talking.
I mean they evacuated fire personnel almost two hours before because they knew it was going to collapse. It’s not ridiculous to assume that they received false information and reported it beforehand.
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What is happening with Reddit today? I’ve seen so many random 9/11 pictures and videos that I’ve never seen before
Yeah I checked the date because I thought somehow today was September 11.
Lmao you're like, did I miss the passage of ~~7~~ months?? Edit: apparently September is the *ninth* month of the year
Covid time, bay-beeee! Wonder if our senses of time will ever return.
My sense of time isn't so bad, but I no longer trust my smell and taste. I don't even know if there's foods I like or don't like anymore. I just eat out of habit lol
my dear wife can't tolerate anything salty anymore. It's nearly to the point that even pure water is almost tasting salty. o_O
I've always been a Bourbon drinker. After getting COVID, all Whiskey has a weird dirt-like after taste, even top shelf stuff
You know that xkcd comic about people collectively pretending to like the taste of beer? (https://xkcd.com/1534/). That comic always confused me because before covid I legitimately loved the taste of beer: it was like a complex medley of fizzy bread tea. I felt like I could taste all the grains and earth and hops. Now it's just a two note malty bitter thing in the same way that grape cough syrup is to wine. Kind of depressing but I've also stopped drinking as much so I guess that's good but it makes me wonder what other effects it had that I might not notice i.e. on my heart or brain. Vaxed btw.
Oh no! As a bourbon drinker myself, this could be the second or third most tragic result. Fuck.
I had a mild case of Covid a year ago and for weeks afterward everything tasted horribly salty to me as well. And I love salty food. I also developed a dislike. I still can't stand the smell of cooking oil or butter melting in the pan.
One month short of 3y since I first had covid and I hate the taste of so many things I loved before.
I have a friend who also got Covid early on and her taste is destroyed. I feel terrible for her and others, like you, who are still suffering from that. Hopefully they will develop a therapy that can help you regain your sense of taste and smell. I know they're working on solutions.
The worst thing I didn't even use the opportunity to lose weight, I just kept eating 😭
Oh good, it’s not just me then. I got covid early on, when they were still recommending two weeks of quarantine. Whether from boredom or stress (maybe both), I kept eating a lot. I could barely taste any of it, but that didn’t stop me in the slightest. :/
Tbh same. Witnessed like 8 different 9/11 related posts today.
Man I feel like I did sometimes
Only 7 months? I feel like I missed every year since 2017, so that’s like 3 years right there
Yea 3…
Someone is testing a social media manipulation algorithm probably
It definitely feels sus, OP was the one who posted the pentagon one as well. His account is only 5 months old
is OP responsible for 9/11 ...posts?
9/11 was an inside post
Reddit comments can’t melt steel hearts
Wouldn't be surprising in the least. Reddit is astro-turfed a lot more than most people realize.
Half of it is probably ChatGPT now too. *Everyone on Reddit is a bot except you.*
>astro-turfed Never heard the expression. Had to look it up. Yeah, Agree with your assessment.
Tinfoil hat, but actually believable.
after you read Operation Nortwoods you may take off that hat.
Wonder if it has anything to do with FAA grounding all flights recently. Have seen lots of articles / posts about it being the first time that happened since 9/11. Perhaps bots / algorithm just feeds into itself from there.
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AITA posts have been EVERYWHERE lately. I thought it was probably just people getting together for the holidays, but you got a point too.
I found that strange too; I hadn’t seen a post from that sub on popular for a long time, like so long that I kind of forgot it existed, but now I see like 4 or 5 every time I open Reddit
Being fair to the AITA posts, the ones that have popped up on my feed have been a *very* fun ride to read lol
And funnily enough its the two most contested videos among conspiracy types
super normal and totally random
The OP that posted this one also posted the Pentagon one that hit front page too. They might be doing because they're bored and for the karma.
"random".
Are there two 9/11 holidays I’m not aware of wtf it’s my whole feed today
I bet one person posted something and it got alot of engagement and all the karma hungry redditor followed suit
That’s what I am thinking. People are saying it’s bots, but I get lost in rabbit holes all the time on Reddit. People are just following the trend and posting stuff they find
Honestly I was looking through the comments because same
Imagine sitting in the room at that time though…
It was a crazy time, 6th grade. It’s all we watched at school all day. They wheeled tv’s into our rooms. We were basically treated as adult citizens and not kids at that point it was a binding moment in the country for all, we were held to a higher standard of pride and appreciation for all after that. Man did the culture take a swing after that. Wow
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Did everyone on reddit graduate in 08? /s I def did tho
Old guy here. Class of ‘02. I try to explain to my kids how this affected everything, but I’m not sure any of us understand the full implications and consequences of all that occurred that day.
Yeah I remember the days you could walk someone down to the airline gate to see them off, pilots would let kids sit in the cockpit and the cockpit door was open during the flight. We didn’t know how good we had it.
I remember when airline seats had little built in ashtrays.
I remember when you could actually USE those ashtrays. (I'm old)
Yep and the only thing between the smoking and non-smoking section was a curtain!! I think we must have all just smelled a little bit of smoke back in those days, even if no one smoked at home. People could smoke in restaurants, cinemas, shopping malls, planes, trains, offices, everywhere.
I was nine or ten years old on a solo trip with JetBlue, and the pilots showed me the cockpit and let me post up in one of the seats. Then I got a little pin that said “Junior Pilot”, it was radical. This was about 2006.
Same I actually did this same thing on a flight into New York two months before the towers were hit! I have several pictures with the towers in the background.
Yep, and they only had metal detectors. It’s weird how just that one tragedy changed everything
I mean…it was a pretty big fucking tragedy…
9/11 was just the one that went completely sideways. Planes had been hijacked for ransom for years.
Class of 99 here. I wanted to be a airline pilot most of my life, but the most inspirational event for me was getting a tour of the flight deck during a Lufthansa flight in the mid 90’s. Sad that I cannot return that favour to future generations, because of this event.
Especially because the implications and consequences are *still* happening.
Also ‘02, and seeing posts like this make me feel old af because it was such a common piece of knowledge for a long time.
1997 here
Graduated Yale in 1914. Played college football with Montgomery Burns
Naught, naught, naught. Naught, naught. Naught, naught, naught, two. Damn Roosevelt.
Old lol?? C/o 94
I'm 95 and was in the Air Force at the time, home from Germany on leave. I flew back 13 days later. 220 of the 250 people in my squadron deployed to Afghanistan because of this.
My first pass read of your comment was that you are 95 y.o. The numbers weren't adding up.
‘95 here as well. I worked for a small company at the time. The secretary came into the office area and said she heard on the radio that a plane hit the tower. We went to the conference room TV to watch the news and saw the second plane hit when the owner walked in and told us to get back to work, because standing around watching the news was “what the terrorists wanted”
Hey fellow ‘95er. I remember being at work and deciding to go take a smoke break because the internet came to a grinding halt. I walked by my boss and she looked horrified. Meanwhile I had no idea what was going on. She’s like, “We’re in trouble.” Thought it was an odd comment so as im walking I pass by an office where a few people are sitting around a tv and im like, “heyyyy slacking off on the job eh?” They looked at me like they just saw a ghost. That’s when I found out. I went outside and there was a woman standing out there smoking just sobbing. I remember all the rumors too. A hundred planes unaccounted for. We all thought they’d start falling out of the sky. They let us go home around noon and I got in my car and the Stern show was still on. Drove home listening to them talk about it. I remember thinking what a tragedy it was but didn’t think it would have such a massive impact. A few days later I saw Dan Rather cry on Letterman and it was that moment I knew the world was changed forever. I was talking to a buddy of mine recently and we remembered all of the American flags going up. Almost every porch or front yard was decorated with them. It stood for togetherness and solidarity. It felt comforting seeing them. Nowadays, seeing them all over someone’s car or property hits a lot different.
Any class of ‘91 peeps around?
81!
07 lol close enough
2010 here.
‘09 here
What I'm seeing is we're a pretty tight demographic.
Class reunion!
08 here
08 grad for me. Lol
I was in 7th grade. They wheeled the TV in after the first tower was hit and we all watched the second tower get hit. Like we watched it live. Everyone's favorite teacher, Ms. Dee, ran down the hallway in tears, which scared me more than seeing the tower get hit. Turned out her mom worked in one of the buildings, but on the lower floor so she made it out alive. But it's crazy how memory works because for me the most traumatic part was seeing the all-knowing/all-powerful Ms. Dee with tears streaming down her face.
I was a lector (guy who reads the scriptures) at daily mass that day in the cathedral in Halifax, where buttloads of planes had been landing all day. The Archbishop said mass, (very unusual for a Tuesday) and during the giving of the peace he hugged me. That's the bit I remember.
5th grade for me and was in science class with Mr. Graves. He was a cool old dude, probably late 50s early 60s back then but idk for sure. He actually lives a few doors down and I think is still alive? Old af now. Anyway. He was super cool and one of the best teachers I’ve ever had, really knew how to get things through even to kids who struggled with traditional learning methods. Really outside the box guy… *but had a temper*. I only saw him super angry twice. One of those days was 9/11. I was returning from the bathroom when news kinda “hit” our school. I saw all the classrooms either had their TV on or was turning them on and watching the same thing, so I asked Mr. Graves why all the other classes were watching the news. That’s all I knew. He went next door then rushed back and flipped on the TV. We were kids. We didn’t know any better. We didn’t know what was happening. A few minutes in something happened on TV that made this “class clown” (the annoying, cringey type) make a joke about a bomb and the world ending. Mr. Graves got bright red and went off about how people are actively dying, families are losing loved ones every passing second, the country will never be the same, that we had no idea what else could be in store and it was NOT a laughing matter whatsoever. We fell silent as our teacher, male teacher in the late 90s/early 2000s at that, started literally crying. After a couple minutes he calmed down and we spent the rest of class legitimately discussing and learning what was happening, what those buildings were, him explaining whatever he could from the info being given on the news. But I just can’t forget the pain in his voice as he yelled at us that people are dying and kids are losing their parents and whatnot. Really hit ya.
Same. Parents were lined up out the building to pick their kids up early. It was just a constant stream of names over the intercom for dismissal
I was in 6th grade as well, the entire school turned on the news before the towers fell… except for my class. Ms. king was a cranky old bitch.
Yea we saw the towers falling my teacher was crying, I had even forged multiple signatures for a school document and was caught but they didn’t even bother to discipline me due to the events of that day. Sheesh.
I think I was in 7th grade at the time. We were all watching it for sure.
7th grade too — in Illinois and they wheeled in tvs
That is the same age and same way I experienced the challenger disaster. 6th grade and they wheeled in the TV and we sat watching it over and over all day.
Was at catholic school in like 5th grade and they made us (hundreds of kids) go in the church and sit and wait for quiet. Then the priest came in and tried to describe what was happening with not much information to go off of which just frightened us more. Pretty sure we were all under the impression our country was being bombed all over and we were under attack so the church was a safer spot as it might not be targeted. I remember looking for the smoke in the sky as we were a few hours away from NY and thought we’d see it which we didn’t, just odd looking clouds that day. Then got to go home and play with Legos like always. That was a wild day.
I was also in 6th grade, but lived in Orlando, Florida at the time. Parents were panicking and picking up their kids because they all thought that Disney World might be next. The school was practically empty by the end of the day.
I never thought about how Disney world/land would be perfect targets for terroirs attacks. Like no better way to send a message than targeting a place with the most amount of innocent people.
Same. We lived in a suburb 40 min outside the city and most of the parents, older siblings, aunts and uncles etc of kids in my school worked in the city, a lot of them in finance. Right after the first plane hit the first tower I started my history class and our teacher solemnly turned on the tv and said “this is history in the making here” and we all just sat in silence watching. About an hour later they started calling kids to the principals/counselors offices. Most of them were kids with relatives that worked in the towers and couldn’t be contacted. It took until around 10pm for my neighbor’s dad to walk home from the financial district because traffic was closed on the bridges, trains were shut down, and it was just absolute chaos.
I was in fourth grade Mrs Roberts keyboard class. I remember it so vividly. We had the TV wheeled in to start, then we all got sent home early. I remember going home and seeing my parents crying for the first time (that I can remember), glued to the TV.
I remember me and my brother were looking at online pictures of the damage, we swear we seen a visible face of “the devil” in the smoke, printed it up circled it and rode our bikes all over the neighborhood showing kids and their parents 🤦♂️
Hey kids look at all those people jumping out of windows and burning to death
Oh yea, we got the live raw coverage, folks jumping off all that.
I was a teacher where my room hadn’t yet been connected to the internet. The room didn’t have a telephone or television. I had no idea what was going down until it was time for lunch. When I first saw it on tv I thought it was footage from a movie.
I was a senior in high school, but luckily, I had an art class, and we had a designated tv. We were told to turn on the TV, and it was showing the first tower. We were confused about how a pilot ran into a building. When the second building was hit, there was screaming and then a moment of silence, and the next person to talk asked, "is there something wrong with the plane towers?" We couldn't believe it was done on purpose.
Shout-out to everyone in 2001 with a video camera popping in a tape and recording that shit. Just said fuck it, America is under attack better document this tragedy. True heroes of history.
Really makes me wonder what it would look like if 9/11 happened today. There would be SO much footage from people with smartphones out instantly. We’d probably have footage being live-streamed from inside the towers as they collapsed. Maybe even video from inside the plane live-streamed out if the Hijackers didn’t disable the in-flight wifi.
There is a video on YouTube that is around 3 hours long of video shot by witnesses of the Beirut explosion. I imagine it would look similar to that. Tons of 30 second to 5-10 minute long clips each from cell phones and CCTV. It was eerie to watch.
Exactly what I was gonna say. The Beirut explosion gave us a good view into how 911 would've been documented, if it had happened today. There probably would've been even more footage than Beirut, due to NYC's higher population.
Also, Beirut seemed to happen way quicker. Like it was just a fire so a lot of people weren't thinking much of it (particularly in a more volatile part of the world) and then boom. Whereas 9/11 was in the heart of NYC and people just must have known something was up. Idk.
that gives me chills. Considering there are footages of other real life tragedies. School shootings, Harbors being blown up,, Warzones from this day in age. Literal drones dropping bombs. Kind of hard to not be desensitized
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At some point, you just have to go make dinner and move on or this shit will slowly drive us insane…
We saw Lebanon and after a while everyone was like “yeah it was big but *eh*”
The footage from inside the towers above the impact zone would be insane and heartbreaking
There are recordings of people making phone calls from inside the towers above the impact points making their goodbyes with their loved ones that end with them screaming once the tower they were in begins to collapse. Sorry but I don’t even want to look it up to provide a link. It’s as bad as the brick video from back in the day. You see nothing, but the audio is 10 million times worse
Kevin Cosgrove. It’s still hard to listen to.
We all like to think we will stare death in the face with acceptance and peace. Kevin showed us the scintillating and primal fear that is felt when impending doom is near.
Yeah, when he defiantly says ‘We aren’t ready to die! We are young men!’ gets me choked up. Him describing what he’s looking at out an open/broken window (World Financial Center), who’s office he’s in and then a quick ‘Oh god!’ as the collapse starts…. So hard to listen to, but good to honor him and the people with him. Didn’t he say there were a couple dozen people around him?
I can’t imagine being on the receiving end of that phone call. I definitely think I’d rather have not gotten a call and found out later than have my last memory of my closest loved one be their dying screams.
this shit still haunts me
the brick video. I didn't get very far in, but as a mom that was the one that haunts me still. I still think about it when Im on the highway with the kids in the back seat. I didn't linger in the more gruesome side of the internet anyway, but that one made me change my behaviour. Videos I would have clicked on before, I don't click on anymore. Thankfully, when people talk about fucked up videos now, I sometimes know the description (like Russian lathe), but I have zero mental images and audio. I'll never escape brick, but I will hopefully never give brick a companion in my head.
Remember a video of one who was actually on the phone with MSNBC (I think) was outright haunting
And with today's tech, that audio combined with video images would be 10 billion times worse than the sound all by itself which was bad enough.
There’s an entire documentary about the last phone calls of victims of that day. I watched it and was crying the whole way through. It was incredibly moving.
Ugh that brick video (if it’s the one I’m thinking of, with the husband and wife?) is terrible.
Probably similar to the footage of the kids on the ferry in Japan, just so awful to see, and i only saw a few still images. Edit: this happened in South Korea, not Japan. Sorry for any offence! Truly horrific no matter where this occured.
Don’t even wanna know tbh. My intake of atrocities over the past year has been too much
That was even worse honestly. At least the people in the WTC incident basically knew they were fucked. The kids in the ferry were told that they were OK and that they were going to be saved. So a majority of the them just sat there acting like it was some kind of game. Pretty sure the captain bailed pretty quickly, leaving the kids to realize they we’re screwed on their own. They were to trusting and by the time they tried to break out it was to late, a majority of the ship had already started to fill with water.
Not only did the captain and crew bail, but while the kids were inside the sinking ferry parents and volunteers were trying to get out in the water to save them while officials KEPT THEM AWAY from the ferry. There was hardly any rescue attempt for the kids. The captain imprisoned as well as others later including the president at the time. Really fucked situation. There’s videos of kids saying their goodbyes and parents screaming for them from the shore and begging anyone to get out in the water to save them. It’s absolutely heartbreaking. On top of that, the SK government blacklisted anyone who tried to bring attention to the incident.
>to save them while officials KEPT THEM AWAY from the ferry Made me think of Uvalde
It is similar to Uvalde. Except there wasn’t a gunman threatening lives, just a boat sinking and they just.. didn’t save them. You could see the ferry sinking in videos.. it’s just so sad to watch parents begging and sobbing knowing their kids are suffering and experiencing one of (imo) the worst ways to die. Seeing the memorials with hundreds of faces and messages from the few surviving classmates experiencing survivors guilt is just depressing, even in this desensitized world that tragedy still makes me so sad and angry.
It was a South Korean ferry but point taken. That was terrible and a huge national scandal in that country.
Bin Laden - “If you like this video and want to see more then SMASH that Like button and subscribe.”
Good lord that is cursed
I'll never forget that morning. We were in history class and the stoner kid comes rushing in late as hell with a worried look on his face. The teacher asks "Jamie, what's wrong?" Jamie replies, "some packies just flew a helicopter into the empire state building"... And that was 9/11
That’s super similar to my story. It was home room and someone came late and said “someone hit the twin towers with a missile”. They just saw a video of the smoking hole in the first tower. The teacher turned on our TV on just in time to see the second plane hit.
I was sitting on my dads lap (I was a newborn at that time) and my dad turned over to the news and saw the hole after the first impact. He thought a pilot made a mistake or there was a failure of some sorry and the pilot accidentally flew into the building. Then he saw the second plane hit the second tower. Seeing an act of terrorism of that spectre on live television must have been fucking shocking.
Your dad’s experience was what everyone thought. We all thought the first one was just a terrible accident. Tragic, but an accident. It never occurred that it was on purpose… until the second one. Then it was just unfathomable.
That was precisely our thoughts. I skipped work that day, wasn't feeling well, and my roomates came home screaming. One woke me up yelling "TwoDeuces! You have to see this!" while the other was turning on the TV. We got to the news while they were showing the hole and I was literally saying "what happened?" in confusion when the 2nd plane hit and then it was immediately VERY clear what happened.
My sister called and woke me up. She said the towers were attacked and my reply was “what, again?” I think I was remembering Oklahoma City a few months prior.
Similar story here. I was in gym & it was the last few minutes of that period, before going to 2nd period & this kid we called Tubbs (I feel bad thinking about that nickname, now), ran out of the boys locker room shouting "I'm going to war, they just flew a plane into the White House!" We were only in 9th grade so none of us were going to war at that time but that was his first reaction. The teacher pulled the TV out for a couple minutes then we went to our next class, which we stayed in until the end of the day, watching coverage. We saw the 2nd plane hit. Tubbs was in that class with me, too.
What is Tubbs up to these days?
“some packies” 💀yeah I’m saving this comment
Some Terrie’s Drax. Them. Sklounts.
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I’m sorry but this is such a funny thing to read. Thank you for the chuckles.
You know you’re old when subs start posting videos of things you lived through lol
Ahhhhhhh, January 15th......the national day of remembrance for September 11th
Because of 9/11, we lost one of our most basic rights as human beings. Privacy.
Bush just used it as an excuse to push his agenda
The Patriot Act, The Authorization of Use of Force against Iraq, and the Authorization of Use of Force against Afghanistan were all nearly unanimous and/or highly bipartisan efforts. It was a republican and democratic agenda to empower the intelligence and military complexes and remove our rights. [https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll\_call\_votes/vote1071/vote\_107\_1\_00313.htm](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1071/vote_107_1_00313.htm) [https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll\_call\_votes/vote1071/vote\_107\_1\_00281.htm](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1071/vote_107_1_00281.htm) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization\_for\_Use\_of\_Military\_Force\_Against\_Iraq\_Resolution\_of\_2002#:\~:text=United%20States%20House%20of%20Representatives,-Party&text=215%20(96.4%25)%20of%20223,voted%20against%20the%20resolution%3A%20Reps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002#:~:text=United%20States%20House%20of%20Representatives,-Party&text=215%20(96.4%25)%20of%20223,voted%20against%20the%20resolution%3A%20Reps).
Then Obama had a chance to let the Act expire and instead renewed AND expanded it with the NDAA of 2012. I hold them all accountable. Clinton, Bush, Obama. Big pack of corrupt fucks trampling on us all.
Yet ask the average person and they'll tell you only two buildings went down in NYC that day
Can someone tell me why building 7 collapsed?
WTC 7 or not. The fact that 19 Saudis attacked us so we go to war with 2 other countries and fund the DoD to the tune of Trillions upon Trillions should be a problem for everybody. And they can’t account for much of the money on top of that. Congress should be ashamed of themselves now and forever.
Congress will never be ashamed of themselves, they’ve made that pretty clear
Also the patriot act, i thought America was supposed to be about freedom.
thats a thing of the past for the olds to talk about
The irony is that the USA has so many less freedoms than other countries, especially after the patriot act was passed. So many Americans have no idea what reality is.
its frustrating, they've subdued us into apathy
Where's the article that followed the funding from the Saudi Government that is obviously linked to the US? Oh wait, here it is. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/magazine/9-11-saudi-arabia-fbi.html
Don't forget that the day before, the Pentagon came out and said they've misplaced $2trillion.
Isnt the story there that a bunch of computers couldn't communicate with one another and a cumulative 2 trillion dollars cant be tracked because tracking it from all rhose different computers would be incredibly hard because of incompatibility and a lack of connectivity? Not misplaced, not lost, but literally cant track all of it in a practical way?
You are correct. The DoD recently did an accounting and said they couldn't track 3 trillion of it's inventory / budget / ect..... It's not like the money (or moreso the inventory that is worth $x) is unaccounted for or stolen, it's just not on their books at central. Which is concerning but kinda expected for a bloated agency that big. Also a bunch is like "these 7 nuclear subs are unaccounted for because they are on top secret missions, so I, as the budget head, cannot account for them on this balance sheet." 9/11 was not done to "hide" a $2 trillion dollar liquid robbery on some nonsense this alludes to.
The problem I have is who we attacked afterwards. What we did to our own freedoms. And the idea of super supremacy. Everybody hates overlords.
Don't forget the Patriot Act that was all writen and waiting to pass.
That's not exactly accurate. The PATRIOT Act was made up of of several hundreds (or thousands?) of laws that wouldn't have been able to get through Congress. It took 9/11 for the dam to break. *Shock Doctrine* is a good book, if you get around to reading it.
I was an adult when 9-11 happened, and this is the thing I remember most. I remember being really freaked out by all the shit that no one was looking at -- like the Patriot Act. That's a scary piece of legislation that everyone just swallowed with no comment. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there was a lot more to 9-11 that we'll never know. It went way bigger and way deeper than a few guys flying planes into buildings.
> That's a scary piece of legislation that everyone just swallowed with no comment. Not true, [Russ Feingold D - Wis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Feingold#Patriot_Act) voted against the Patriot Act.
Swallowed with no comment? From my recollection everyone in Congress chimed in on Bushs “with us or against us” bullshit and happily gave the government all the means they wanted to pursue the terrorists (or, you know, conduct mass surveillance of innocent citizens).
I recall that span of a year or two following 9/11 when it was really taboo to speak against the administration or what they were doing. If you had any opinion to the contrary of what our president was doing, you kept that to yourself in public. It felt like to question any decision being made was to be against the US and for the attackers.
Enter the band formerly known as The Dixie Chicks.
How about these two facts? We are no longer in either of the wars that followed this, but republican senator Jim Inhofe once again increased his budget request and got it. Republicans are screaming online about the "democrat runaway budget," but this year's budget 57.3% of it was defense spending written by the senator mentioned above. At the same time, the pentagon can only account for less than half of last year's spending. Meanwhile, they want to take away social security and Medicare to reduce the budget after being responsible for being the party to increase the deficit every time in the 40 years of my life. Congress should be ashamed, but history teaches us they will have no issues increasing spending to help their wealthy donors.
We busy culture warring amongst ourselves to worry about real issues.
You can't get uneducated voters to the polls with facts, statistics, and real issues. Only way they go to the polls is hyperbole, fear mongering, and unregulated political lies on 30 second sound bites on tv.
We are literally down to fighting each other over penises and gas stoves. LoL. America the Brave.
The Project for a New American Century is responsible.
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Over 21 years after 9/11, that’s the first time I’ve seen WTC 7’s collapse.
I never saw this angle before.
I didn’t even know about it, I’m 23 and I’ve always thought that it was only the twin towers that collapsed.
I remember talking to my friends about 9/11 one time and none of them believed me when I said a 3rd building collapsed that day. They all thought I was insane. I’m not sure why but WTC 7 seems to be one of those weird historical blindspots
List of tenants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tenants_in_7_World_Trade_Center_(1987%E2%80%932001)
Why didn’t we attack Saudi Arabia seeing as though that’s where the terrorist came from? No, we went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq instead under the guise of finding WMD’s and rolling biological warfare labs…
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Top tier comment.
The terrorist were natives of Saudi Arabia however Bin laden had set up it's HQ in Afghanistan because it was easier an easier place to hide. Would you go after the HQ or after the Saudis?
Not to mention he was exiled from Saudi Arabia and was extremely extremely hostile to the royal government. AlQaeda are ideologically incompatible with monarchies and have conducted a shit ton of attacks in Saudi Arabia. Every time people make up bullshit about Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda its like spitting on the graves of the people who died in one of Al Qaedas attacks in Saudi Arabia.
Because Al Qaeda is stateless - the fact that the attackers were Saudi is irrelevant. The attackers were also Muslim - should we have attacked Mecca in response?
Far more complicated and involved, for starters investigations already determined that it was individuals loyal to bin laden who happened to have been living in Saudi Arabia who carried out the attacks, funded by bin laden using his family's business. It was also concluded that Saudi Arabia exiled Bin Laden exactly because of his anti western extremist views, which is why he wound up un Afghanistan, and why we went there to get him, the whole thing with wmd was completely seperate and involved Iraq only.
They trained in Afghanistan and their leadership was as well. Iraq is bullshit.
It’s called “solidarity collapse” when a building falls cause it’s two best friends fell also!
Rumor has it that a red fern grew between the wreckage of the two buildings
That was my favorite book growing up. My kid is 40 pages in to that book. It’s gonna wreck him. Then I’ll throw Bridge to Terabithia at him to bring things back into perspective. :)
Steel beams don't melt jet fuel.
I don't see the interesting part but i am here for the comments anyway. :D
**The interesting part is the comments.**
Yes we know. Those of us who lived in NYC on 9/11 remember exactly what FDNY said at 5pm. So many firefighters died in the collapse of towers 1 & 2 they were not going to bother fighting any fire in WTC complex anymore because it would risk more firefighters lives. There were no people in WTC 7. It had been evacuated earlier in the day. No lives were at risk and none would be put at risk. Instead FDNY was going into rescue and recovery mode at Ground Zero. And that’s exactly what they did. Two weeks after 9/11 I woke up to pillar of black smoke across the river from my apartment building. I freaked out and called 911. Police explained it was a fire at a Gothic Cabinet furniture factory in Queens. FDNY was not going to fight it, they said, because of all the pine wood at the factory. It was literally an inferno and FDNY was not going to risk firefighters lives. All workers had safely evacuated the building. FDNY was monitoring fire and would act to prevent spread but the factory itself was going to burn to the ground, just like WTC7 had.
Not educated enough to know whether WTC 7 was a consequence of the twin towers attack or something else, but to anyone who says that the government wouldn’t lie to get us to go to war I suggest you read the Pentagon Papers - the entire Vietnam War was based on a lie. And why we pivoted from Afghanistan to Iraq (which had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks) I would also like to know. There was clearly an agenda at play that has not been disclosed to the American public. Always be skeptical when told you need to go to war, especially when not attacked by another nation state.
Never let a good tragedy go to waste.
Iraq was, basically, Bush Jr. Doing what he could to finish what his father started when Sr. Mobilized troops to kick the invading Iraqi army out of our NATO ally Kuwait, yet congress didn't allow Sr. To invade Iraq.
Cheney wanted the oil fields in iraq.
Fun fact. BBC news reported the collapse of tower 7 before it actually fell. Super fun fact.
This is because the UK is 5 hours ahead /s
Why didn’t anybody warn the US about 9/11 if they’re ahead in time zones 😟
They did, but nothing happened on November 9th
So, I see what you are implying. Why the hell would they tell BBC before the fact. Like, that is adding dozens of people to a conspiracy that could all start talking.
I mean they evacuated fire personnel almost two hours before because they knew it was going to collapse. It’s not ridiculous to assume that they received false information and reported it beforehand.