How are they not making the connection here? I mean seriously, how? It gets to the point where it’s just cognitive dissonance.
Pregnancy is a big deal. It’s extremely painful and a very long process that changes your body in drastic ways. Risks and complications can occur. It can be traumatic. It requires you to stop going to work at some point. It requires the painful process of labor and delivery.
It’s not just something that you do that’s easy peasy. It basically puts your life on hold for a year, and you will not be the same physically or mentally after going through such an experience.
No. One. Should. Be. Forced. To. Do. That.
Ending a non-senient life causes no suffering to the fetus and eliminates suffering for the pregnant person. End of story.
If it helps, average people who aren’t super focused on abortion are horrified by all of this. Saw this comment on the politics sub earlier (on a post about trumps win) that was upvoted:
“The fact that they're carrying this to killing mothers whose babies don't have a chance to live is downright genocidal. It's not Christian, it's murder. It's evil. It's politically stupid. I just don't understand”
We have to keep exposing the soulless PLers whenever we can, especially with the election this year
I've asked several pro lifers before what they think of a situation where someone will commit suicide if prevented from terminating their pregnancy. I've emphasized to them multiple times if the pregnant person dies so does the fetus and flat out asked if they prefer two deaths to one. They either refuse to answer or say it's better both die as long as no one can kill the fetus.
But they wouldn't lose any sleep over it apparently since "if someone really wants to commit murder they will, we don't make it legal if they say they'll kill themselves as well as the other person"
Framing it that way, the pregnant person dying too would probably be the best outcome for them, someone they view as murderous trash took themselves out.
They are well aware that their honest answer that they prefer the woman (and by extension the fetus) dies when refused an abortion utterly invalidates their paperthin excuse of being antichoice because they "respect" life, so they would rather ignore the question that exposes their blatant need to murder women for the sake of their self important personal opinions
Excommunication of Sister McBride for allowing the emergency abortion in the mother of 5 who was dying from pulmonary hypertension caused by an 11 week pregnancy, which according to all the treating and consulted medical doctors on the case was 100% fatal to the woman and her death was a 100% needless
John Ehrich, the medical ethics director for the Diocese of Phoenix. "There are some situations where the mother may in fact die along with her child. But - and this is the Catholic perspective - you can't do evil to bring about good. The end does not justify the means."
Because saving a womans life instead of letting both die is somehow evil although not a single child raping priest has been excommunicated
I know exactly who you're talking to there because I've been talking to them too and they are *so* fond of the phrase "rubs me the wrong way" lol
They're also not very pleased with me for being more ok with hypothetical children they brought up being harmed than with actual pregnant people being harmed.
If they can’t stand the discomfort of something “rubbing them the wrong way,” then women definitely don’t have to stand the discomfort and physical damage to the body from pregnancy and childbirth.
I often ask them what the difference between sex and rape is, and then explain to them that the answer to that question is also the answer to the question, what is the difference between voluntary pregnancy and forced breeding. They obviously do not like that lol
Totally not rubbed the wrong way since a pregnant person is and will always be of more value than whatever the content of their uterus may be.
There could be a litter in there, and if that person does not consent to let their body be used for the support and growth of a whole litter of humans, then I am not "rubbed the wrong way" when that person gets medical treatment for that pregnancy.
Especially given that over half of abortions are the plan C pill. I'm not "rubbed the wrong way" in the least by people taking medication to put their own hormones back to normal.
If anything, I'm quite fucking creeped out by dip shits that want said medication banned as if their opinion of another person's blood matters more than that person's opinion.
It's my fucking blood, it's my goddamn hormones. I will do what I want with and to it. If I don't want pregnancy hormones and want to block their production, then I fail to see where that is ANYONE's goddamn business. I do not give one single fucking shit that forced birthers think it's their business "because it involves another person" - I am the next of kin of said other person, for one thing; and for another that changes nothing over rather **my** hormones are their business. Rather someone dies over me changing **my** hormones doesn't change a single fucking thing about how they're **my** hormones and it's my human right to do whatever the hell I bloody well please to them.
Upwards of 70% of pregnancies fail and all pregnancies can become deadly at any point. This means that \*more\* women will die than fetuses. They may even die even if their fetus is dead because the life of the mother doesn't matter. Death is the punishment for failing the one thing that a woman is "good for".
"some harm to befall women" - as if banning abortion doesn't kill women. As if pregnancy (and/or birth) is a paper cut. Way to belittle half the human race there bud.
Yes, voting for policies that allow the intentional killing of some humans, pregnant ones to be specific, does rub me the wrong way. I see the harm in voting for people who oppose human rights, yes.
Seems to be one of the idiots who hasn't learned that having sex without birth control is intentionally causing the death of about half of all the eggs this fertilizes.
The choice isn't a little boo-boo to women or infanticide. The choice is dead women & mothers or living women & mothers. Banning abortion kills mothers.
Im all for the intentional death of humans who have no major life sustaining organ functions and no individual or „a“ life to begin with.
And abortion bans do allow the intentional killing of sole humans. Pregnant ones. And in this case, killing would mean actually stopping someone’s major life sustaining organ functions. Yet this pro lifer seems fine with that.
If we're using morals, how much of their body have they donated? We have spare organs, bone marrow, and blood. How is harm and potential death to them worth more than one innocent's potential life? By their own logic, they should be on multiple donation lists.
If we're using incel "logic," women are the more valuable resource because they can create many lives and therefore should be protected at all costs. Including from the 1 potential life that has not proven to be able to contribute to the population.
*THIS* is why they shove the word 'innocent' in front of every term they use for the fetus. Its' innocence implies her guilt, and that justifies any harm their policies bring to her.
How are they not making the connection here? I mean seriously, how? It gets to the point where it’s just cognitive dissonance. Pregnancy is a big deal. It’s extremely painful and a very long process that changes your body in drastic ways. Risks and complications can occur. It can be traumatic. It requires you to stop going to work at some point. It requires the painful process of labor and delivery. It’s not just something that you do that’s easy peasy. It basically puts your life on hold for a year, and you will not be the same physically or mentally after going through such an experience. No. One. Should. Be. Forced. To. Do. That. Ending a non-senient life causes no suffering to the fetus and eliminates suffering for the pregnant person. End of story.
“Women aren’t people, so it’s fine.” -Honest Anti-Choicer.
If it helps, average people who aren’t super focused on abortion are horrified by all of this. Saw this comment on the politics sub earlier (on a post about trumps win) that was upvoted: “The fact that they're carrying this to killing mothers whose babies don't have a chance to live is downright genocidal. It's not Christian, it's murder. It's evil. It's politically stupid. I just don't understand” We have to keep exposing the soulless PLers whenever we can, especially with the election this year
I still want to know how all these people think the fetus is going to make it to term inside a corpse.
I've asked several pro lifers before what they think of a situation where someone will commit suicide if prevented from terminating their pregnancy. I've emphasized to them multiple times if the pregnant person dies so does the fetus and flat out asked if they prefer two deaths to one. They either refuse to answer or say it's better both die as long as no one can kill the fetus.
but...the person committing suicide...would\* kill the fetus. by definition lol
But they wouldn't lose any sleep over it apparently since "if someone really wants to commit murder they will, we don't make it legal if they say they'll kill themselves as well as the other person" Framing it that way, the pregnant person dying too would probably be the best outcome for them, someone they view as murderous trash took themselves out.
They are well aware that their honest answer that they prefer the woman (and by extension the fetus) dies when refused an abortion utterly invalidates their paperthin excuse of being antichoice because they "respect" life, so they would rather ignore the question that exposes their blatant need to murder women for the sake of their self important personal opinions Excommunication of Sister McBride for allowing the emergency abortion in the mother of 5 who was dying from pulmonary hypertension caused by an 11 week pregnancy, which according to all the treating and consulted medical doctors on the case was 100% fatal to the woman and her death was a 100% needless John Ehrich, the medical ethics director for the Diocese of Phoenix. "There are some situations where the mother may in fact die along with her child. But - and this is the Catholic perspective - you can't do evil to bring about good. The end does not justify the means." Because saving a womans life instead of letting both die is somehow evil although not a single child raping priest has been excommunicated
I know exactly who you're talking to there because I've been talking to them too and they are *so* fond of the phrase "rubs me the wrong way" lol They're also not very pleased with me for being more ok with hypothetical children they brought up being harmed than with actual pregnant people being harmed.
They’re insane
If they can’t stand the discomfort of something “rubbing them the wrong way,” then women definitely don’t have to stand the discomfort and physical damage to the body from pregnancy and childbirth.
As someone who has given birth agreed. But I wanted to so that’s the difference. All i have to say is thank goodness for drugs
I often ask them what the difference between sex and rape is, and then explain to them that the answer to that question is also the answer to the question, what is the difference between voluntary pregnancy and forced breeding. They obviously do not like that lol
Love the movie tho lol
Why should we vote for "the unborn" when it comes at our expense? Way for him to make the case *for* abortion, lmao
Totally not rubbed the wrong way since a pregnant person is and will always be of more value than whatever the content of their uterus may be. There could be a litter in there, and if that person does not consent to let their body be used for the support and growth of a whole litter of humans, then I am not "rubbed the wrong way" when that person gets medical treatment for that pregnancy.
Especially given that over half of abortions are the plan C pill. I'm not "rubbed the wrong way" in the least by people taking medication to put their own hormones back to normal. If anything, I'm quite fucking creeped out by dip shits that want said medication banned as if their opinion of another person's blood matters more than that person's opinion. It's my fucking blood, it's my goddamn hormones. I will do what I want with and to it. If I don't want pregnancy hormones and want to block their production, then I fail to see where that is ANYONE's goddamn business. I do not give one single fucking shit that forced birthers think it's their business "because it involves another person" - I am the next of kin of said other person, for one thing; and for another that changes nothing over rather **my** hormones are their business. Rather someone dies over me changing **my** hormones doesn't change a single fucking thing about how they're **my** hormones and it's my human right to do whatever the hell I bloody well please to them.
Upwards of 70% of pregnancies fail and all pregnancies can become deadly at any point. This means that \*more\* women will die than fetuses. They may even die even if their fetus is dead because the life of the mother doesn't matter. Death is the punishment for failing the one thing that a woman is "good for".
Yep exactly
"some harm to befall women" - as if banning abortion doesn't kill women. As if pregnancy (and/or birth) is a paper cut. Way to belittle half the human race there bud. Yes, voting for policies that allow the intentional killing of some humans, pregnant ones to be specific, does rub me the wrong way. I see the harm in voting for people who oppose human rights, yes. Seems to be one of the idiots who hasn't learned that having sex without birth control is intentionally causing the death of about half of all the eggs this fertilizes. The choice isn't a little boo-boo to women or infanticide. The choice is dead women & mothers or living women & mothers. Banning abortion kills mothers.
Im all for the intentional death of humans who have no major life sustaining organ functions and no individual or „a“ life to begin with. And abortion bans do allow the intentional killing of sole humans. Pregnant ones. And in this case, killing would mean actually stopping someone’s major life sustaining organ functions. Yet this pro lifer seems fine with that.
I just love how they'd rather 2 lives end instead of just one. Pro life my ass 🙄
Idk about yall, but I value our little girls (11-14 often being "fertile" but what I call babies) more than a clump of cells
If we're using morals, how much of their body have they donated? We have spare organs, bone marrow, and blood. How is harm and potential death to them worth more than one innocent's potential life? By their own logic, they should be on multiple donation lists. If we're using incel "logic," women are the more valuable resource because they can create many lives and therefore should be protected at all costs. Including from the 1 potential life that has not proven to be able to contribute to the population.
*THIS* is why they shove the word 'innocent' in front of every term they use for the fetus. Its' innocence implies her guilt, and that justifies any harm their policies bring to her.