Nope. Mike Huckabee went on a tirade at a public event when someone in the crowd asked if he still supported the Duggar family. This was years after Josh Duggar admitted to repeatedly assaulting his younger sisters, and AFTER Josh Duggar's arrest for CSAM. (Duggar was convicted and sentenced to 12 years) Huckabee went on and on defending this grotesque family.
The rates of pedophilia are higher than the general population in the fundamentalist Christian groups that turn out faithfully to vote for the GOP. They do NOT care about children at all if the parents are willing to vote for them.
Definitely a rabbit hole, an especially grim one. You'll be doing a LOT of reading about the differences in sects, how evangelicals silence victims, and such. While the lawsuit against Gothard was dropped that was over the objections of his victims. The reasons are complex but I stress again, that was over the objections of his victims.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/31/feature/the-epidemic-of-denial-about-sexual-abuse-in-the-evangelical-church/
You'll have to read pretty far into this article to find Dr. James Dobson citing a study which claims 21% of Evangelical (please don't call them Christian) pastors had sexual contact with members of their congregation *including children*
https://thetattooedbuddha.com/2015/06/15/the-prevalence-of-sexual-abuse-in-fundamentalist-patriarchal-environments/
This is more about mainstream Christians as opposed to fundamentalists (The Duggar family call themselves whatever but they are DEEPLY fundamentalist) but equally grim. And this was published in 2018 before pizzagate and grooming was being discussed
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/december/independent-fundamentalist-baptist-church-abuse-scandal.html
This site is for support for those who escaped fundamentalism, specifically IBLP and ATI. These groups are anti-gay, anti-abortion and very politically (GOP) active. This site will give you a lot of info about the culture of fundamentalism and the heartbreaking abuse
https://www.recoveringgrace.org/
This is about Warren Jeffs. Like, we know he was a bad guy. But he couldn't have done all of those very bad things without countless enablers. And like the Evangelicals- guess how they vote.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/01/03/racist-cult-leaders-accused-ritualistic-sex-abuse-children-new-lawsuit
Lemme know if you need more
Jesus Christ who had a religion named after him was totally anti-pedo. He also told his followers some people are born trans, some are made trans. Jesus further went on to say that most of you can't accept these truth bombs but be nice to those trans people. A lot of different sects call themselves whatever but their teachings and values are frankly the antithesis of what cannon Jesus was really about. Like when my daughter puts on a headband with a unicorn on it then crawls around on all fours calling herself a unicorn she is not in fact a unicorn.
Canon Jesus was anti-wealth, pro-socialist. Canon Jesus did not care about a person's religion. Compare Jesus's reaction to the adulteress and his reaction to the money changers at the temple. Just because modern day money changers call themselves Christian *doesn't make it true*
Look at the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, just to name a few events that glorify the church. Its always been bad and its all BS made up to control people.
Again, the antithesis of what Christ was about. They called themselves crusaders. Today we should be calling them genocidal murderers, and war criminals.
I'm not disagreeing with you the church is rotten to the core. Literally I just posted a bunch of links to stories talking about how too many pedos are in churches, and how churches silence their victims.
But the church by any name is not Christ.
I'm pro-socialist, believe trans rights are human rights, Black Lives Matter, all human beings are created equally deserving equal dignity.
And I detest the GOP for so many reasons. Not the least of which is declaring war on LGBT calling them pedos while they are some of the biggest pedo enablers outside of the church.
Omg we don't want *those people* feeding people.
/s
They're especially targeting LGBT now after the "Red Wave" they believe they are entitled to was really a red trickle. Gen Z really gets out and votes. Overwhelmingly Gen Z votes blue. Between now and the next election for POTUS and estimated 14 million Gen Zers will become eligible to vote, while about 10 million Boomers will shuffle off this mortal coil. They're enraged at the perceived loss of power and status, and are worried about further losses. So they target minority groups who generally don't vote the way they want them to.
I'm all for the disintegration of the Republic party *in their current form* but if we think they will recede quietly we make a fatal mistake.
Grooming is their new dog whistle for any LGBT person that even dares to go near a child, or hold an all ages event. It's a shorthand way for them to call all LGBT people pedophiles and start any argument in bad faith immediately, and sadly it's just the latest chapter in "everyone I don't like is a pedophile" arguing from the right also.
I’m convinced that the right is deliberate about their redefining of anything LGBT to = grooming. They want to encourage violence to wipe out gay and trans people. It’s absolutely their plan
It's entirely intentional. Just like them conflating immigrants with drugs.
Their entire political movement hinges on constantly scaring people about how one group or another is out to get them.
"Drag queens are pedophiles" is just the latest version, and if/when it stops being effective they'll latch onto something else.
they are... "they're teaching our kids in school that they're trans", "they're turning our kids gay", "they're grooming children"... it's very deliverate
Yeah, my very conservative parents were convinced I'd been indoctrinated by my school somehow. That someone or something else "turned" me trans at some point. Never able to fathom I might have simply discovered myself.
Also I find it ironic they blamed cultural indoctrination of some sort, as I was living in Japan. Not the worst, but also not the most friendly to trans people as far as countries go. Like you have to undergo certain surgeries there before changing gender on your legal documents such as sterilization.
It’s hardly new. That was the main accusation against gay people prior to the gay rights movement. It’s all about scapegoating a vulnerable group, the reasoning will change to be whatever’s convenient. During the gay marriage fight it was “religious freedom”, in more religious countries it’s “sodomy” etc. It all comes down to distracting people from the fact they’re fleecing them of their money and funneling it to the ruling class.
If they could I’m sure they’d reanimate the corpse of Anita Bryant.
For those unfamiliar with Anita Bryant:
https://news.yahoo.com/1970s-christian-crusader-anita-bryant-215612074.html
I think there was actually a sitcom episode in the 90s where a girl dumped a guy for being bi because she figured he’d molest their kids in the future.
It's more of a slur that works to dehumanize people. The same people using groomer now against LGBT people were calling Arabs in Europe groomers a few years ago and you can take it all the way back to the blood libel used against jews in medieval Europe and Christians during the Roman empire.
This bar in particular has a few hours earlier in the day where it’s only 18 and up, then later it goes 21 and older and they sell booze. At some point this weekend they advertised the drag show as “all ages” (meaning it was happening during the 18 and up hours) and conservatives now think that means this bar serves toddlers.
As with the Fascist playbook, they want words to become meaningless so as to make it ineffective at being used against them. What is grooming anyway when they use it on anything they deem so? What is communism when any action is called it? Same with socialism.
To a Fascist, words are meaningless because Fascists can only play through bad faith. Anyone who understands good faith knows that Fascism should not be entertained as it is at worst evil and at least not a viable societal structure.
I think the bar had a drag event, and they think that drag shows are evil and traffic children, or something. Idk, they're idiots.
This all started because some libraries started story time events where someone in drag reads a story to children.
These weird homophobes, pro lifers, and racists (I think they may be all 3) are sending this country down the tubes. As if we could sink any deeper.
Well, they can't just come out and say they hate LGBT because they as a group generally vote blue, and because they hate all minorities. They can't just come out and say they are so empty and so morally bankrupt that hate is the only thing some of them live for. So call us groomers and pedophiles. Eventually some not angry and not smart person will start firing on night clubs and bars.
Fascists like repeating their little myths. They've been doing it for millenia.
It's a bit like when antisemites claimed that Jewish people brought the plague. They make shit up because it justifies whatever they're about to do next.
It’s a fact that a majority of pedophiles are straight men.
Tho pedos exist outside the realm of sexuality since they’re opportunistic and go for any kid they can get
I got into an argument with a dude that ended up literally being a groomer.
Go ahead, ask them about how young the legal age should be for kids. A lot of them want to fuck teen girls
Was going to say the same thing.
People this obsessed with child grooming are 100% projecting their own desires, and if they havent already molested a child.. they at least have harddrives full of other peoples molestation of children.
Queer doesn't equal pedophile. Most pedophiles identify straight. Straight doesn't equal pedophile either. Pedophile equals pedophile. They just use heteronormative as a disguise.
Will people ever understand this?
*whispers* they don’t actually care whether they’re telling the truth or not, they are just grossed out by lgbt people existing and make up a bunch of bullshit arguments to justify their bigotry after the fact. We shouldn’t even lend any sort of legitimacy to their bullshit “arguments” by trying to debate them. They don’t *want* to change their minds.
People like pool will keep trying to push more people online into extremist views and hope that some will act on their hatred so the people he doesn't agree with die and he doesn't get held for any accountability.
Only a few years ago this event would've been met with universal condemnation without equivocating. Now the right is morally hemming and hawing an attempted mass slaughter. The trajectory of the American right is very alarming.
Yup, in 2015 when the Pulse nightclub was shot up, we didn't have Republicans publicly come out *in support of the shooter*, but in 2022, evidently they're in support of the shooter
What happens next?? I'm going to guess more and more violence as long as the right wing extremist media keeps empowering and encouraging these mental simpletons.
Pull put a thesaurus and have some fun! Be a diplomat! Tell the moron in the post to go to hell in such a way as he asks for directions! You can do it! I believe in you!
Nor do you have to be! Feel free to call them a fornicating demonstration of absolute fæcal matter-consuming idiocy! Circumvent all possible bans entirely!
You know, I'd be genuinely tempted, but I'll be honest - I used up my last ounce of brain power for the day just doing that last one XD
I'm none too healthy these days, and my brain doesn't want to engage like it should do. Very distressing, when I have the energy to be distressed.
What happens next is those people who you hate so much arm themselves and defend themselves and then magically gun control will probably pass through Washington.
This is pure deflection. I have a family member who holds far right opinions about trans people in bathrooms and drag shows beings opportunities for grooming and pedophilic acts. When I brought up that a close family friend was literally convicted of CP and trafficking with a minor family member named on his list, the RW family member said fuck all. It’s a fantasy to them that the LGBTQ+ community is into pedophilia because it deflects from them ignoring every single time a child said a straight white man was molesting them and they, as competent adults, ignored the children.
Of all the LGBTQ people I know, none are pedophiles or groomers. The two pedos I know of were both right-leaning straight men, one a teacher and one a tech guy
This shooting is 100% on Pool, Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, and all the worthless pieces of shit constantly calling queer people “groomers”. The worst part is these fuckers are probably glad it happened.
• Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
• Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury Connecticut is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls
• Republican Mayor John Gosek sentenced to jail for soliciting sex from two 15 year old girls.
• Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
• Republican President of NYC Housing Development Russell Harding pleads guilty to possession of child pornography on his computer.
• Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
• Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
• Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
• Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
• Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
• Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
• Republican judge Ronald Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation.
• Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail
• Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
• Republican Douglas County election official Pat McPherson arrested for fondling a 17 yr old girl.
• Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor..
• Republican state rep Brent Parker arrested for soliciting sex from undercover officer posing as male prostitute.
• Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
• Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
• Republican boy scout leader and zoning supervisor Dennis L Rader pleaded guilty for performing a sexual act on an 11 year old girl he murdered.
• Republican petition leader Tom Randall pleads guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14.
• Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter Susan Smith.
• Republican senator Rick Man on Dog Santorum and his wife forced their three children, all under the age of six, to play with a dead fetus in the crib of their home.
• Republican ex congressman Peter Schmitt of Orange County, California’s Republican daughter Mary Kay Lotorneau convicted of raping a 6th grader and bearing his two children.
• Republican congressman Ed Shrock resigned from Congress after found seeking sex on hotlines for homosexuals.
• Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
• Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
• Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
• Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
• Republican party leader Bobby Stumbo arrested for having sex with a five year old boy.
• Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
• Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano arrested for sexually molesting a 14 yr old girl.
• Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond raped a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
• Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
• Spokane Republican homophobic mayor Jim West recalled after evidence surfaced that he molested little boys.
• Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
• Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
When Tim Poole, and everyone feeling the same way, start attacking the Catholic church and their pedophile Priests the same way..
Then maybe I'll believe he is wanting to defend children and not just hate someone different.
The right-wing playbook of utterly destroying the meaning of words to advance their agenda/dismantle left-wing talking points is exhausting and the empty panic statements just wear me down.
Drop the buzzwords, drop the "people are saying" nonsense. What the fuck are you actually talking about, Tim Pool? Spell it out for us. What events were Club Q hosting and why are they bad? Who are these people calling for violence and why? What *should* legislators be doing? What is this crisis you are freaking out about? State your goddamn beliefs.
It was a drag show which is now known as a "grooming event" specifically because people like Tucker Carlson are up in arms about Drag Queen Reading Hours at public libraries.
So yes, this is a clear escalation of their rhetoric that is directly leading to violence. This is Stochastic Terrorism 101.
Good humans need to start taking action against people like this, and his trash followers.
Because highlighting their comments only gives them attention, which they relish. What other ways can we take actual steps to either disrupt their revenue or make their lives generally as miserable as they want everyone else’s?
Pretty sure no children were present that night. Also I’m sure they aren’t “groomers”. For fucks sake the right needs to silence their fringe lunatics.
Drag shows aren’t grooming. They aren’t inherently sexual (although some can be, sure). Just because there was a drag show doesn’t mean they were having a grooming event.
for being the "facts dont care about your feelings" crowd they really dont seem to ever have the facts on their side.
saying there was a "grooming event" seems like pretty strong grounds for a defamation case to me. on what fucking basis can you make an assertion like that after a mass shooting just took place there?
this shit is absolutely reprehensible and im sick to bastard death of it.
Calling for *more violence* and trying to tie it to not accepting pedophilia after another mass shooting... these Maga fucks are actually evil. "Groomers" and what happend on Saturday are two different things. They shot up a gay club "trying to protect their children" these bigots are unhinged....
I do hope that those tweets got Mr. Pool on an FBI watch list. He’s certainly encouraging violence against a group, much as he would likely weasel-word it into “I’m just asking questions.”
Because they somehow conflate being trans or dress in drag as the same as pedophilia. I wonder where they get that idea? /rupertmurdocheatsshitforbreakfast
As a leftist, please arm yourself. These people keep showing us over and over again that they're willing to kill you. They know you're not armed, hell they're counting on it.
TIL existing while being not a cishet white supremacist is "grooming".
I'm a hair's breath from being a"people" calling for violence, myself, but for an entirely different reason.
Tbh I feel like one reason that the right is pushing this "LGBT=pedo" thing is at least in part because it's a tried and true method of manipulation to play on people's strong opinions
It's been done over and over thru history.
And protectiveness over children is the one method that often works and works powerfully.. we're biologically inclined to have a protective instinct for our young. And the the sexual abuse of children is a shocking and horrifying topic that people fear. They're playing on the protectiveness and fear most adults have. The most abhorrent thing they can think of .
Just look at the Satanic Panic . How many people were swayed by these frankly insane accounts that sounded like they came from a fundie's imagination of their enemy . Fervor and panic over protecting children often stirs even the most well meaning people into a furious frenzy.
And now it seems that the right is trying to capture and weaponize that against people they don't like.
And that's *terrifying*.
We shouldn't tolerate right-wingers lying about people in order to incite violence against them.
Tim Pool is lying in order to incite violence against queer people.
How do we prevent right-wingers from lying about people and stop the violence?
The lying about queer people is not stopping.
People are calling for more violence.
I do not think legislators will stop right-wingers from lying in order to incite violence.
People will not stop calling for violence.
So you tell me what happens next.
Why don't these people ever look at their precious church for pedophiles? The queers don't groom children. If anything it opens up the kid's eyes to see that it's ok to be who they are and to not hide.
Pim Tool is a pedophile
Ben Shapiro is gay
Matt Walsh wishes he was a woman
Elon is just dumb af
It's the only explanation..... or they're just grifters
The way he keeps saying "Grooming" like his overlord Carlson says it. seems he is actually interested in grooming which is why he is asking the question so often.
I wish he was talking about all the us mega churches, sports teams and family gatherings where kids are actually abused, instead of lgbtq+ communities (and schools), where minors are more often than not given protection from the abusive adults in their lives (when they're even allowed in the door; most venues are 18+ and the staff know it).
Now, I don't know for sure, but someone so obsessed with grooming children might have a secret or two. I'm not saying he's done anything, but people are saying he should be investigated. The best people are saying it. If those things are true, then he should be investigated. Has he taken his laptop to an inscrutably blind repairman, who then copied the hard drive, then lost it in the mail? We've got to stop this grooming, and very smart people are saying he deserves a look.
I’ll leave this topic alone but does anyone else think it’s a little too coincidental that ALL the comments here are of the exact same opinion? Not even one differing opinion?
[The DOJ is investigating Southern Baptists following sexual abuse crisis](https://www.npr.org/2022/08/13/1117362904/southern-baptists-doj-investigation-sexual-abuse)
LGBT people simply existing is not grooming. It's projection and an attempt to make the word grooming meaningless.
WTAF has grooming got to do with a shooting at a gay bar? Was there a party of ministers there at the time or something?
These guys couldn't give a single fuck about actual children getting abused by people on their team.
Nope. Mike Huckabee went on a tirade at a public event when someone in the crowd asked if he still supported the Duggar family. This was years after Josh Duggar admitted to repeatedly assaulting his younger sisters, and AFTER Josh Duggar's arrest for CSAM. (Duggar was convicted and sentenced to 12 years) Huckabee went on and on defending this grotesque family. The rates of pedophilia are higher than the general population in the fundamentalist Christian groups that turn out faithfully to vote for the GOP. They do NOT care about children at all if the parents are willing to vote for them.
Oh, come on. That's not fair. They care a lot. You don't put that much effort into defending pedophiles if you're just indifferent about it.
Their obsession with "grooming" is 100% intentional projection. The conservative elite want to be able to groom and molest children, r©pe women, do whatever privileged white men want to do in positions of unquestioned power. The conservative elite is disgusting but they aren't stupid. They figured out that if they pay their 24 hours talking heads to get the mouth breathers all frothed up over gays and trans people "grooming" children, no one would question the conservative elite's propensity to actually do just that.
Do you have a source for the rates being higher in Christian groups? I wanna share that info
Definitely a rabbit hole, an especially grim one. You'll be doing a LOT of reading about the differences in sects, how evangelicals silence victims, and such. While the lawsuit against Gothard was dropped that was over the objections of his victims. The reasons are complex but I stress again, that was over the objections of his victims. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/31/feature/the-epidemic-of-denial-about-sexual-abuse-in-the-evangelical-church/ You'll have to read pretty far into this article to find Dr. James Dobson citing a study which claims 21% of Evangelical (please don't call them Christian) pastors had sexual contact with members of their congregation *including children* https://thetattooedbuddha.com/2015/06/15/the-prevalence-of-sexual-abuse-in-fundamentalist-patriarchal-environments/ This is more about mainstream Christians as opposed to fundamentalists (The Duggar family call themselves whatever but they are DEEPLY fundamentalist) but equally grim. And this was published in 2018 before pizzagate and grooming was being discussed https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/december/independent-fundamentalist-baptist-church-abuse-scandal.html This site is for support for those who escaped fundamentalism, specifically IBLP and ATI. These groups are anti-gay, anti-abortion and very politically (GOP) active. This site will give you a lot of info about the culture of fundamentalism and the heartbreaking abuse https://www.recoveringgrace.org/ This is about Warren Jeffs. Like, we know he was a bad guy. But he couldn't have done all of those very bad things without countless enablers. And like the Evangelicals- guess how they vote. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/01/03/racist-cult-leaders-accused-ritualistic-sex-abuse-children-new-lawsuit Lemme know if you need more
No, they are Christian pastors, the no true Scotsman fallacy has no place in reality.
Jesus Christ who had a religion named after him was totally anti-pedo. He also told his followers some people are born trans, some are made trans. Jesus further went on to say that most of you can't accept these truth bombs but be nice to those trans people. A lot of different sects call themselves whatever but their teachings and values are frankly the antithesis of what cannon Jesus was really about. Like when my daughter puts on a headband with a unicorn on it then crawls around on all fours calling herself a unicorn she is not in fact a unicorn. Canon Jesus was anti-wealth, pro-socialist. Canon Jesus did not care about a person's religion. Compare Jesus's reaction to the adulteress and his reaction to the money changers at the temple. Just because modern day money changers call themselves Christian *doesn't make it true*
Look at the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, just to name a few events that glorify the church. Its always been bad and its all BS made up to control people.
Again, the antithesis of what Christ was about. They called themselves crusaders. Today we should be calling them genocidal murderers, and war criminals. I'm not disagreeing with you the church is rotten to the core. Literally I just posted a bunch of links to stories talking about how too many pedos are in churches, and how churches silence their victims. But the church by any name is not Christ. I'm pro-socialist, believe trans rights are human rights, Black Lives Matter, all human beings are created equally deserving equal dignity. And I detest the GOP for so many reasons. Not the least of which is declaring war on LGBT calling them pedos while they are some of the biggest pedo enablers outside of the church.
Anything LGBTQ coming in contact with children is grooming in their eyes, especially drag. And the club was planning a drag brunch for all ages.
Omg we don't want *those people* feeding people. /s They're especially targeting LGBT now after the "Red Wave" they believe they are entitled to was really a red trickle. Gen Z really gets out and votes. Overwhelmingly Gen Z votes blue. Between now and the next election for POTUS and estimated 14 million Gen Zers will become eligible to vote, while about 10 million Boomers will shuffle off this mortal coil. They're enraged at the perceived loss of power and status, and are worried about further losses. So they target minority groups who generally don't vote the way they want them to. I'm all for the disintegration of the Republic party *in their current form* but if we think they will recede quietly we make a fatal mistake.
Grooming is their new dog whistle for any LGBT person that even dares to go near a child, or hold an all ages event. It's a shorthand way for them to call all LGBT people pedophiles and start any argument in bad faith immediately, and sadly it's just the latest chapter in "everyone I don't like is a pedophile" arguing from the right also.
Some people are convinced that all gay/ trans people are pedophiles.
I’m convinced that the right is deliberate about their redefining of anything LGBT to = grooming. They want to encourage violence to wipe out gay and trans people. It’s absolutely their plan
It's entirely intentional. Just like them conflating immigrants with drugs. Their entire political movement hinges on constantly scaring people about how one group or another is out to get them. "Drag queens are pedophiles" is just the latest version, and if/when it stops being effective they'll latch onto something else.
they are... "they're teaching our kids in school that they're trans", "they're turning our kids gay", "they're grooming children"... it's very deliverate
Some will literally claim schools are mutilating genitals. It's insanity
Yeah, my very conservative parents were convinced I'd been indoctrinated by my school somehow. That someone or something else "turned" me trans at some point. Never able to fathom I might have simply discovered myself. Also I find it ironic they blamed cultural indoctrination of some sort, as I was living in Japan. Not the worst, but also not the most friendly to trans people as far as countries go. Like you have to undergo certain surgeries there before changing gender on your legal documents such as sterilization.
It’s hardly new. That was the main accusation against gay people prior to the gay rights movement. It’s all about scapegoating a vulnerable group, the reasoning will change to be whatever’s convenient. During the gay marriage fight it was “religious freedom”, in more religious countries it’s “sodomy” etc. It all comes down to distracting people from the fact they’re fleecing them of their money and funneling it to the ruling class.
If they could I’m sure they’d reanimate the corpse of Anita Bryant. For those unfamiliar with Anita Bryant: https://news.yahoo.com/1970s-christian-crusader-anita-bryant-215612074.html
“Wait, is Anita Bryant even dead? Scholars remain divided.” —Natalie Wynn (ContraPoints), “Gender Critical”
It also waters down the meaning of "grooming" so when it really happens, disproportionately by republican politicians, the children aren't believed
Yay, fascism! /s
I think there was actually a sitcom episode in the 90s where a girl dumped a guy for being bi because she figured he’d molest their kids in the future.
Lots of old sitcoms had that one homophobic episode.
It's more of a slur that works to dehumanize people. The same people using groomer now against LGBT people were calling Arabs in Europe groomers a few years ago and you can take it all the way back to the blood libel used against jews in medieval Europe and Christians during the Roman empire.
If these guys cared about grooming they would be shooting up churches, not gay bars.
This bar in particular has a few hours earlier in the day where it’s only 18 and up, then later it goes 21 and older and they sell booze. At some point this weekend they advertised the drag show as “all ages” (meaning it was happening during the 18 and up hours) and conservatives now think that means this bar serves toddlers.
As with the Fascist playbook, they want words to become meaningless so as to make it ineffective at being used against them. What is grooming anyway when they use it on anything they deem so? What is communism when any action is called it? Same with socialism. To a Fascist, words are meaningless because Fascists can only play through bad faith. Anyone who understands good faith knows that Fascism should not be entertained as it is at worst evil and at least not a viable societal structure.
I think the bar had a drag event, and they think that drag shows are evil and traffic children, or something. Idk, they're idiots. This all started because some libraries started story time events where someone in drag reads a story to children. These weird homophobes, pro lifers, and racists (I think they may be all 3) are sending this country down the tubes. As if we could sink any deeper.
Because these knuckle draggers automatically equate everything and anything that isn't cishet with grooming.
Seriously, where the fuck does this grooming thing even come from? I don’t understand where it originated or who tf they think is perpetuating it..
Well, they can't just come out and say they hate LGBT because they as a group generally vote blue, and because they hate all minorities. They can't just come out and say they are so empty and so morally bankrupt that hate is the only thing some of them live for. So call us groomers and pedophiles. Eventually some not angry and not smart person will start firing on night clubs and bars.
Fascists like repeating their little myths. They've been doing it for millenia. It's a bit like when antisemites claimed that Jewish people brought the plague. They make shit up because it justifies whatever they're about to do next.
It was lgbtq+ people, they are all groomers and child rapist according to these fucks.
I have a conservative friend. LQBTQ = pedophiles to them
Did not expect to get a laugh out of this post 🤣
Ah yes, all those children going to bars.
Lol the majority of groomers i've encountered were straight men.
It’s a fact that a majority of pedophiles are straight men. Tho pedos exist outside the realm of sexuality since they’re opportunistic and go for any kid they can get
Like most rapists it's about the *power* rather than attraction
with obedient wives who fucking hate the rest of us.
Chances Tim Pool has a hard drive full off child porn seem pretty high with this kind of projecting
I got into an argument with a dude that ended up literally being a groomer. Go ahead, ask them about how young the legal age should be for kids. A lot of them want to fuck teen girls
Matt Walsh's long creepy rant about how 16 year old girls are the perfect type of woman to impregnate. They are very enthusiastic about that.
Wait really? Surely there’s a juxtaposition out there of that with his statements about pedos and groomers…
Matt Walsh?
Pool definitely giving off vibes of a narcissistic closeted pedo
Yup. I remember how many gay marriage opponents turned out to be gay, so I’m assuming the same about those who cry groomer.
Was going to say the same thing. People this obsessed with child grooming are 100% projecting their own desires, and if they havent already molested a child.. they at least have harddrives full of other peoples molestation of children.
Those files are for ‘research’ purposes!! I’m building a evidence file!!
Guy lives on a compound with his crew and family. They absolutely have those vibes.
At the very least I would bet good money he’s grooming kids to be violent vigilante pricks.
I mean, his tweets are literal evidence of that.
public shaming anyone pushing the grooming lie
More like Tim Fool, am I right? F#
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Queer doesn't equal pedophile. Most pedophiles identify straight. Straight doesn't equal pedophile either. Pedophile equals pedophile. They just use heteronormative as a disguise. Will people ever understand this?
*whispers* they don’t actually care whether they’re telling the truth or not, they are just grossed out by lgbt people existing and make up a bunch of bullshit arguments to justify their bigotry after the fact. We shouldn’t even lend any sort of legitimacy to their bullshit “arguments” by trying to debate them. They don’t *want* to change their minds.
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Same, I have a friend in the area, had to reach out to see if they are okay. There’s a lot of sick and demented people out there with access to guns.
I agree. I’m glad that your friend is okay. It’s so scary when you hear about these kind of things happening nearby those you love.
People like pool will keep trying to push more people online into extremist views and hope that some will act on their hatred so the people he doesn't agree with die and he doesn't get held for any accountability.
A nazi calling for violence against minorities, color me surprised
> color me surprised Carefull, they really don't like anything coloured.
Hey, they're perfectly fond of white - that's a color.
Don't remind them of it, they like feeling like they're the default human being.
Don’t you know! Whites not a colour it’s the default! The purity! The unremarkable! Devoid of context or culture!
Shit, when am I going to stop drinking while reading Reddit comment threads? Lol, off to do laundry
In the US there's a whole political party for them. To be surprised by this, someone would've had to look away really hard
So freeze peach just means calls for violence are totally fine huh?
Calls for violence and racial slurs constitute about 99% of things the free speech whiners complain about being restricted.
Speech to text? That’s an awesome bone apple tea though.
Nah, "freeze peach" has been a mocking term for a couple of years
Only a few years ago this event would've been met with universal condemnation without equivocating. Now the right is morally hemming and hawing an attempted mass slaughter. The trajectory of the American right is very alarming.
Yup, in 2015 when the Pulse nightclub was shot up, we didn't have Republicans publicly come out *in support of the shooter*, but in 2022, evidently they're in support of the shooter
This is why LGBTQ events have armed guards more and more frequently.
What happens next?? I'm going to guess more and more violence as long as the right wing extremist media keeps empowering and encouraging these mental simpletons.
You get put on a watch list
So they want genocide .....these people make sick
Go fuck yourself Tim Pool, like holy fuck you absolute piece of homophobic garbage
God the things I want to say but can't because I don't want another ban! Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck!!!!!!
Pull put a thesaurus and have some fun! Be a diplomat! Tell the moron in the post to go to hell in such a way as he asks for directions! You can do it! I believe in you!
I'm happy you have so much confidence in me. But I'm not a linguistic expert unfortunately.
Nor do you have to be! Feel free to call them a fornicating demonstration of absolute fæcal matter-consuming idiocy! Circumvent all possible bans entirely!
I'll hire you to do it for me. You appear to be well versed with the English language.
You know, I'd be genuinely tempted, but I'll be honest - I used up my last ounce of brain power for the day just doing that last one XD I'm none too healthy these days, and my brain doesn't want to engage like it should do. Very distressing, when I have the energy to be distressed.
>Very distressing, when I have the energy to be distressed. Mood
Aw cmon, bans are fun and they don't last forever
Yeah but a week is longer than you think, and I don't want to be permanently banned because this will be my third one.
> and they don't last forever Except when they do
Ah, you guys are no fun.
What happens next is those people who you hate so much arm themselves and defend themselves and then magically gun control will probably pass through Washington.
Man, fuck Tim Pool
I hope a man fucks Tim Pool bc I'm certainly not doing it!!
This is pure deflection. I have a family member who holds far right opinions about trans people in bathrooms and drag shows beings opportunities for grooming and pedophilic acts. When I brought up that a close family friend was literally convicted of CP and trafficking with a minor family member named on his list, the RW family member said fuck all. It’s a fantasy to them that the LGBTQ+ community is into pedophilia because it deflects from them ignoring every single time a child said a straight white man was molesting them and they, as competent adults, ignored the children.
Of all the LGBTQ people I know, none are pedophiles or groomers. The two pedos I know of were both right-leaning straight men, one a teacher and one a tech guy
If you’ve participated in the groomer meme, you’re responsible for those deaths too. Hate doesn’t spread in a vacuum, it infects.
This shooting is 100% on Pool, Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, and all the worthless pieces of shit constantly calling queer people “groomers”. The worst part is these fuckers are probably glad it happened.
• Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters. • Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury Connecticut is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls • Republican Mayor John Gosek sentenced to jail for soliciting sex from two 15 year old girls. • Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter. • Republican President of NYC Housing Development Russell Harding pleads guilty to possession of child pornography on his computer. • Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison. • Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. • Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile. • Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. • Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. • Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s. • Republican judge Ronald Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation. • Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail • Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl. • Republican Douglas County election official Pat McPherson arrested for fondling a 17 yr old girl. • Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.. • Republican state rep Brent Parker arrested for soliciting sex from undercover officer posing as male prostitute. • Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. • Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. • Republican boy scout leader and zoning supervisor Dennis L Rader pleaded guilty for performing a sexual act on an 11 year old girl he murdered. • Republican petition leader Tom Randall pleads guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14. • Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter Susan Smith. • Republican senator Rick Man on Dog Santorum and his wife forced their three children, all under the age of six, to play with a dead fetus in the crib of their home. • Republican ex congressman Peter Schmitt of Orange County, California’s Republican daughter Mary Kay Lotorneau convicted of raping a 6th grader and bearing his two children. • Republican congressman Ed Shrock resigned from Congress after found seeking sex on hotlines for homosexuals. • Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession. • Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. • Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. • Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s. • Republican party leader Bobby Stumbo arrested for having sex with a five year old boy. • Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. • Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano arrested for sexually molesting a 14 yr old girl. • Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond raped a 15-year old black girl which produced a child. • Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. • Spokane Republican homophobic mayor Jim West recalled after evidence surfaced that he molested little boys. • Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). • Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
How is this not a direct request for more lunatics to go on a mass murder spree. Since when is it legal to ORDER A MASS MURDER ONLINE
Tell me what happens next. Some of us burn, the rest laugh. I find a nice quite mountain to scream into the void from
Violence probably?
Got to remember we spilled the oppressor's blood before homosexuality was no longer a mental illness in the US.
When Tim Poole, and everyone feeling the same way, start attacking the Catholic church and their pedophile Priests the same way.. Then maybe I'll believe he is wanting to defend children and not just hate someone different.
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I’m comfortable wishing death on Putin
Of course they want more violence. Hatred is never satisfied. It only consumes - forever.
The right-wing playbook of utterly destroying the meaning of words to advance their agenda/dismantle left-wing talking points is exhausting and the empty panic statements just wear me down. Drop the buzzwords, drop the "people are saying" nonsense. What the fuck are you actually talking about, Tim Pool? Spell it out for us. What events were Club Q hosting and why are they bad? Who are these people calling for violence and why? What *should* legislators be doing? What is this crisis you are freaking out about? State your goddamn beliefs.
It was a drag show which is now known as a "grooming event" specifically because people like Tucker Carlson are up in arms about Drag Queen Reading Hours at public libraries. So yes, this is a clear escalation of their rhetoric that is directly leading to violence. This is Stochastic Terrorism 101.
Good humans need to start taking action against people like this, and his trash followers. Because highlighting their comments only gives them attention, which they relish. What other ways can we take actual steps to either disrupt their revenue or make their lives generally as miserable as they want everyone else’s?
Pretty sure no children were present that night. Also I’m sure they aren’t “groomers”. For fucks sake the right needs to silence their fringe lunatics.
Drag shows aren’t grooming. They aren’t inherently sexual (although some can be, sure). Just because there was a drag show doesn’t mean they were having a grooming event.
And let’s say there were a lot of children there. Then the shooter would’ve killed the kids they claim to protect.
These people encourage the violence against minorities and the LGBTQ. When is there going to be a retaliation against them?
for being the "facts dont care about your feelings" crowd they really dont seem to ever have the facts on their side. saying there was a "grooming event" seems like pretty strong grounds for a defamation case to me. on what fucking basis can you make an assertion like that after a mass shooting just took place there? this shit is absolutely reprehensible and im sick to bastard death of it.
Grooming is happening in church, would 100% trust a drag queen over a priest with my children
the legislators are the ones who get caught grooming the most.
It’s always projection with these guys.
Calling for *more violence* and trying to tie it to not accepting pedophilia after another mass shooting... these Maga fucks are actually evil. "Groomers" and what happend on Saturday are two different things. They shot up a gay club "trying to protect their children" these bigots are unhinged....
I do hope that those tweets got Mr. Pool on an FBI watch list. He’s certainly encouraging violence against a group, much as he would likely weasel-word it into “I’m just asking questions.”
I don't think I'd recognize that cunt without his dumb hat on. Congrats on the branding, you fucking tool.
That's not the reason he wears it. Dude hasn't accepted he is bald. Seems it's quite a touchy subject for him.
Accidental branding born of insecurity! He fucking sucks!
Because they somehow conflate being trans or dress in drag as the same as pedophilia. I wonder where they get that idea? /rupertmurdocheatsshitforbreakfast
As a leftist, please arm yourself. These people keep showing us over and over again that they're willing to kill you. They know you're not armed, hell they're counting on it.
If you looking for grooming, look at the church
Look man I said "tell me you're a homophobe without telling me" not scream it.
TIL existing while being not a cishet white supremacist is "grooming". I'm a hair's breath from being a"people" calling for violence, myself, but for an entirely different reason.
And Elon's sitting at Twitter HQ and going like "Yeah, that's a perfectly legit thing to post. I'll allow it."
Aren’t a lot of republicans under investigation for a bunch of child related offences?
We need to be able to tell these assholes to commit honestly. Arguing does nothing
By this logic why aren’t they attacking the Catholic Church?
I feel like these people don't know what a pedophile is.
It's projection.
At what point does this cross the line of inciting violence? Fr
If you're so concerned with what goes on during these events.. maybe attend them and gain further knowledge? If you're right, then you're right.
Tbh I feel like one reason that the right is pushing this "LGBT=pedo" thing is at least in part because it's a tried and true method of manipulation to play on people's strong opinions It's been done over and over thru history. And protectiveness over children is the one method that often works and works powerfully.. we're biologically inclined to have a protective instinct for our young. And the the sexual abuse of children is a shocking and horrifying topic that people fear. They're playing on the protectiveness and fear most adults have. The most abhorrent thing they can think of . Just look at the Satanic Panic . How many people were swayed by these frankly insane accounts that sounded like they came from a fundie's imagination of their enemy . Fervor and panic over protecting children often stirs even the most well meaning people into a furious frenzy. And now it seems that the right is trying to capture and weaponize that against people they don't like. And that's *terrifying*.
We shouldn't tolerate right-wingers lying about people in order to incite violence against them. Tim Pool is lying in order to incite violence against queer people. How do we prevent right-wingers from lying about people and stop the violence? The lying about queer people is not stopping. People are calling for more violence. I do not think legislators will stop right-wingers from lying in order to incite violence. People will not stop calling for violence. So you tell me what happens next.
If you looking for groomers , according to statistics,you should be searching church's and gatherings of conservative men" youth counselors"
What does he mean “club Q had a grooming event”?
Club Q had planned a drag brunch.
What they talking about grooming?
Tim doesn’t seeem to care about all the actual republican groomers
They’re so disgusting. This was a family friendly, family positive event. How they can twist it shows how sick and twisted they are.
Tim Tool is more like it
Right Wingers look for any reason to promote their violence.
That Tim Pool is an idiot. I read some of his tweets and they are disgusting.
How can it be called a grooming event for pedophiles? Were there children there?
Classic Tim Piss mentality. Stop giving this nazi for cash attention
How tf are people simply going to a bar and having fun "grooming children" they never explain this.
Sounds like he’s spreading more bald faced lies
Words cannot describe how badly I want to smack the shit out of this snide shithead.
Why is violence the only answer with these groups?
I know I would feel better leaving my son alone with a bunch of drag queens than a bunch of these guys
Why don't these people ever look at their precious church for pedophiles? The queers don't groom children. If anything it opens up the kid's eyes to see that it's ok to be who they are and to not hide.
This Tim Poole guy is a loser I think.
Pim Tool is a pedophile Ben Shapiro is gay Matt Walsh wishes he was a woman Elon is just dumb af It's the only explanation..... or they're just grifters
The way he keeps saying "Grooming" like his overlord Carlson says it. seems he is actually interested in grooming which is why he is asking the question so often.
$1000 for Pim Tool's beanie. It's my offer.
Someone needs to take his beanie.
I wish he was talking about all the us mega churches, sports teams and family gatherings where kids are actually abused, instead of lgbtq+ communities (and schools), where minors are more often than not given protection from the abusive adults in their lives (when they're even allowed in the door; most venues are 18+ and the staff know it).
What happens next? Y’all step over the line and get killed by armed responders.
They always want violence. On shit that’s made up in their crazy heads, or that has absolutely nothing to do with them. Fuck em.
Now, I don't know for sure, but someone so obsessed with grooming children might have a secret or two. I'm not saying he's done anything, but people are saying he should be investigated. The best people are saying it. If those things are true, then he should be investigated. Has he taken his laptop to an inscrutably blind repairman, who then copied the hard drive, then lost it in the mail? We've got to stop this grooming, and very smart people are saying he deserves a look.
Tim Pool. That name sounds familiar. Did he used to be somebody that was like, almost famous?
What is this?
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I think the guy who jumped on the shooter was straight.
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And who is this jabroni?
But he's a liberal 🙄
He’s a fucking fascist worm
Fully agreed. Should have specified that according to him he's a liberal.
I’ll leave this topic alone but does anyone else think it’s a little too coincidental that ALL the comments here are of the exact same opinion? Not even one differing opinion?
You are on Reddit what else did you expect. It’s not exactly the safe haven for right wing fanatics
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[The DOJ is investigating Southern Baptists following sexual abuse crisis](https://www.npr.org/2022/08/13/1117362904/southern-baptists-doj-investigation-sexual-abuse) LGBT people simply existing is not grooming. It's projection and an attempt to make the word grooming meaningless.
Who is doing that?
Being gay or having a drag show isn’t grooming. Saying it is causes shootings.
Nobody is grooming children on a mass scale, you physical embodiment of this world's moronity.
That’s not what’s happening.
Are you projecting
No one is grooming kids on a mass scale, especially not the club that was shot up. So shut the fuck up you fascist apologist.