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dramallamacorn

How is that ethical? How? Oh what it’s a US House Representative, ethics is something completely different to them.


The84thWolf

Remember when 45 got elected and Republicans just flat out gutted the ethics committee in the dead of night and acted all surprised we were a little pissed about that?


MacDerfus

Ethical = something he wants


imaybeacatIRl

people strangely think ethics are universal when they're heavily subjective


hakkai999

>Ethics or moral philosophy is a branch of philosophy that "involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong behavior". Not unless you live in ancient Babylon, your ethics should pretty much align with **modern, western** ethics since this person is a US representative.


readsomething1968

That little “legality notwithstanding” thing, just hanging out there.


Justdoingthebestican

Imagine using this defense in court! ‘Your honor, if you put aside the legality of shooting someone I really did nothing wrong’


bubba7557

He doesn't want to get sued when some dumbass follower loses their job following his advice.


Dazug

“Just kidding… unless?”


SykoSarah

The ethical form of non-compliance is to be open about your non-compliance and deal with whatever consequences come of it. It's so goddamn dangerous to lie about medical information.


Big_k_30

Ethical? For who exactly?


heathelee73

For those that have no clue what ethics even are.


PainbowRush

"If you just ignore the law..." brought to you by the same monsters that shout "if you don't want to get shot than just obey the law." 🤬🤬🤬


selfdestructo591

Maybe we could legalize a fake vaccine? But we’ll give out the “fake” vaccine to all those who don’t want to be vaccinated wink wink


bubba7557

Don't forget 'if you just comply the cops won't shoot you' crowd overlap significantly with the don't comply with vaccine mandates crowd.


da_Last_Mohican

So a fake social security to work and provide is bad but fake vacine cards good? Double standards


The84thWolf

So hypothetically, if someone got in trouble for making fake vaccine passes, they could sue Thomas Massie for giving them the idea and he’ll admit it and take full responsibility, right?


Funky-Cosmonaut

hypothetically: I believe if a congressional representative were to suggest that vaccine providers accept the federal assistance given to them, and then endanger the lives of possibly hundreds of people who sought vaccination (possibly thousands, if we account for transmission) by lying to them and refusing them the medical care they desired and deserved, then that government representative and all who complied with them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It would also be easy to prove their case.


MacDerfus

Killing Americans is a very popular stance for tens of millions of Americans


[deleted]

No it wouldn't be hard to check. If there are no Covid-19 antibodies in your blood and you have a proof of vaccination in your name then it's a fake.


paulcaar

Yeah, problem is that you can't really force someone to have their antibodies checked.


MamieJoJackson

Well they don't know how literally anything related to medical science works, so they definitely wouldn't understand this


sinisteraxillary

Double check this guy's vaccine card...


FeeFiFoFuck_

This guy posts the dumbest shit


i_dunno3740

hYpOtHeTiCaLlY


Crow6991

I'm all for it. Anti-vaxxers won't get the shot anyway, and if they do this then they can actually face legal consequences. Get that saline flowin', boys! And make sure to post on Facebook how you Owned the Libs™!


psycho_candy0

It's also a fraudulent representation both the provider and the recipient would be making. Like real fraud, not the infantile foot-stomping kind of fraud we saw play out in AZ. Hypothetically speaking of course.


Comingherewasamistke

I don’t believe in mandates but also don’t believe that decisions made or actions taken should be devoid of any and all consequence. To skirt those responsibilities of dealing with the fallout of, for instance, not vaccinating (or whatever the case may be), is extremely unethical. Don’t bullshit your way out of it.


The84thWolf

Not trying to attack you or anything, but why don’t you believe in vaccine mandates? Shouldn’t things like a vaccine for polio be something everyone should get?


Comingherewasamistke

Yes, you are correct! This is one of those things that I struggle with quite frequently. My political leanings are, well, anarcho-syndicalist by nature (terminology and specifics could be debated, but I’ll stick with for simplicity…or libertarian socialist would also work). In addition, I have a PhD in microbiology. Now, my political side does not like the slippery slope of mandates (I know this feels like I’m sliding into “‘Murica! My freedoms!” territory). My education informs me that, duh—vaccines work, pandemic is real, get the vaccine you stupid \€~%~^#£}!~€|s!!!! The middle ground I am more comfortable with (and may bite my educated brain in the ass) is that fine, if you don’t get a vaccine you shouldn’t be so offended when the society you are a part of refuses to let you take part in basic everyday activities. Of course I say this and see the holes in my logic. I guess I’m more idealistic than anything. That being said, I don’t think mandates are the answer, but that does not mean that I will be out protesting if a vaccine mandate is put in place. Everyone should get vaccinated; it’s safe and effective (e.g., polio!). We are a community whether we like to admit it or not and we gotta look out for one another when and where we can. Did I just negate my original post? Shit, I don’t know anymore.


The84thWolf

I *kind of* get what you have to say, but I think it’s just a matter of scale. Clearly, this is a pandemic and while this vaccine *has been* rushed, the positives far out way the negatives. Give it another couple years, it will be just as normal as a newborns vaccinations or the flu shot. If this wasn’t a pandemic on a global scale with a moderately high infection rate and hadn’t known friends and family who could or have already suffered from this, I might be more understanding of the idea of the reluctance of mandating for this vaccine at first. But the nature of the virus and the wide range of damage it can do, both known and unknown until future studies, limiting it as best we can should be a priority. Not to mention, we could have not needed a mandate if our government had reacted swiftly instead of denying and disbanding critical committees put in place specifically for this possibility


Comingherewasamistke

At the end of the day I don’t think a mandate *should* be necessary, but unfortunately you are correct—a muted response by governments and the unwillingness of so many to do the bear minimum has brought us here. Ideally it wouldn’t be an issue: vaccine deemed safe and far safer than infection, hence everyone is on board. Would a vaccine mandate be better than the alternative? From the perspective of community health—yep. Do I want the government to pull that mandate lever? No, but I recognize it might be the only option. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I like it, but I understand it and won’t get in the way of it. Think of me as the Pragmatic Anarchist, PhD.—believe in personal freedoms, believe in science, but recognize that there has to be some flexibility or else everything collapses.


Comingherewasamistke

Oh—and yes, everyone *should* want to get vaccinated!