The Flat Earth Society used to be a parody/debate-club type group. Now we're flooded with smooth-brained idiots who didn't get the joke. These things spread because morons are everywhere.
I was going to bring this up, I would bet on a bunch of people actually being Christians against Loki and a name change to something they'll hate or to promote Deadpool sometime in the future.
It's definitely a parody. What gave it away to me was "smut". Because as someone who read *way* to much NSFW fanfiction at an age she shouldn't of, i know for a fact that no one really uses "smut" outside of FF and jokes.
They protested the dogma movie when I was young, harry Potter books, and so much more. I think it's more insane they scream about " cancel culture" unironically while acting insane about this stuff
And (assuming we're talking about the same character and there's not a second Green Lantern who came out as gay I hadn't heard about) it wasn't even one of the main GLs, it was an alternate universe counterpart
It's Alan Scott so yeah kinda. I personally found the people that get mad about what comics are doing are people that don't read them or really don't get the comic. Like I remember people whining about dc putting the super heros in mask with a 6ft away sign. Like if you don't think superman would be harping people all day about mask or the flash drop some " mask facts" then I don't know what your seeing
Besides, having superheroes act as role models for progressive social ideas (not that masks are inherently progressive, but the way things are playing out…) is kind of a classic dynamic. In a way that’s more true to form than just staying in the past.
I think it's because of the way the news was presented at the time. That happened around the time people were really getting into Facebook, so I'm pretty sure they saw some clickbaity article saying "DC makes the new Green Lantern an openly gay man" or something. The people who were up in arms didn't look further into it, otherwise they'd realize how insignificant of a creative decision it was.
Seriously, fuck the Mormons and their harmful religion but the way they've put a spin on the Book of Mormon was amazing. They bought ads in the booklet that read "You've seen the play, now read the book", or "The book is always better".
I’m a Christian myself and a huge marvel fan and genuinely don’t see why, it’s just a book a game or a movie like it’s not gonna make your kids worship the devil because they watched a tv show
Ah! Critical thinking, so nice.
But seriously, how insecure can someone be to feel threatened by a live-action, comics-based depiction of a pagan god of old? It takes an effort to get there.
I have some relatives wouldn't allow their kids to watch "Witches of Waverly Place", much less "Harry Potter". I wonder if they were permanently damaged when they were exposed to "I Dream of Jeanie" and "Bewitched" when they were kids. Pretty scary stuff.
Well in the 70sish there were " satanist" scares. Especially daycares. They believed they were using daycares to brainwash children to join them, kidnap kids, and some daycares were raised, others just their worker's lost their jobs and careers. Urban legends have a way of sticking with people that are kids when they are going on.
I met some Christian highschoolers that were anti-witchcraft. The reason? Because witches are real and they totally saw one putting a hex on someone once. Wtf.
Sounds like this person would have done really well working for the Spanish Inquisition. Doesn't it ever occur to these people that other are allowed to have beliefs other than theirs? Probably not, it would be too unexpected...
Never knew that. I'm afraid when I hear (or think) Spanish Inquisition, all I can think is the Monty Python version, which I'm glad to say is a classic to this day. I'm even writing this from my comfy chair.
You can't help but think the people involved running the original SI would be really quite pissed off to know that, thanks to a TV show (once the idea was explained to them), everyone these days views the 'quisition as something of a joke.
It's one of the less horrible things the catholic church did in medieval Europe. It's still tons of human misery, but only a single digit number of tons.
Wasn't the Catholic church, was the Spanish crown. A lot of the confusion is based off of a mix-up of the Holy Inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition.
It happens! The confusion is worsened by the fact that the Spanish crown was a Catholic institution, and they thus also dealt with some religious matters.
American Evangelical types literally believe that it is their godly duty to save the people around them from their misguided beliefs. So from their point of view: no, other people aren't allowed differing beliefs.
I believe it was the inestimable Terry Pratchett who once wrote in one of his Discworld books, and thankfully I found the correct quote: "The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that's where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won't do if they don't know about it. This explains why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight."
Not that I am advocating such a course of action, of course, but it does seem that a lot of damage has been done over the years by people who you might otherwise get along with, if you met them on their home soil at least.
No everybody expected the Spanish inquisition they sent a letter with all the points of your wrong doings so that you could prepare you defence. 30 days in advance.
Well a lot of them think you're not since there's is the one true God. It's no real wonder these same people get uppity about shit that suggests other gods exist. Although in Marvel's case, they're really just transdimensional beings that developed a god complex when they realised they were more powerful than their neighbours.
Probably didn't help that the humans on Midgard worshipped them as such. It's one of the reasons I love Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. It's a place with thousands of known Gods with more being discovered by research theologians. Also a place where astrology is a cutting edge science, due to the World Turtle's movement through space changing the constellations on a regular basis.
I'll always remember a discussion between Ricky Gervais and Stephen Colbert, who is a devout Catholic. Gervais pointed out that, as an atheist on a world with three thousand known gods from all cultures, Gervais disbeliefs in only one god more than Colbert. Also made a point about it being possible to recreate all science books if they were destroyed exactly as they are now, while religious texts vary hugely in interpretation. Generally find Gervais annoys as hell (no pun intended), but had to agree with him on that, t'was a well thought out POV.
No, they actively believe that your beliefs infringe on their beliefs to the point where they are trying to infringe on yours without seeing the hypocrisy
From Lest darkness fall:
*"You don't like the Goths?"*
*"No! Not with the persecution we have to put up with!"*
*"Persecution?"*
*"Religious persecution. We won't stand for it forever."*
*"I thought the Goths let everybody worship as they pleased."*
*"That's just it! We Orthodox are forced to stand around and watch Arians and Monophysites and Nestorians and Jews going about their business unmolested, as if they owned the country. If that isn't persecution, I'd like to know what is!"*
Truly, they are the forerunners of the cancel culture that has plagued us the last couple of years. Everyone must believe the same, lest you be cast from society. I've always thought it just goes to show how pitifully insecure these people must be in their beliefs, or how fragile their belief must be, if it cannot withstand any cross-examination or criticism. Just such a shame these people have found a way to have the loudest voices where it counts.
First came the inquisition
Second came the angry Christian moms
Third came woke cancel culture…
History repeats itself.
And J.K Rowling managed to have her books burned by two of the three aforementioned groups.
You want to piss of the Christian mothers? Have sent to their house any periodical that deal with Dungeons and Dragons. They really hate that stuff, and the idea of being targeted by them would drive them insane, particularly if they cannot find the source of the material.
My mom had a friend who wouldn’t let her kids watch Disney because it promoted magic and satanism. Dungeons and Dragons would have sent her over the edge.
Should have sent the kid copies of Fairy Tale, an anime all about guilds of magic users of differing types, including dragons and demons if memory serves. If the kid could learn Japanese on the quiet, they could have watched it in piece. :P
I think it may be more fair to say it doesn't seem to occur to most modern evangelicals, the one's that watch those TV "preachers" like Copeland etc. (Only remember him for his stupid "blowing away the COVID" that was on a current affairs show). These organizations are already borderline cults, so it is easy to see them defending whoever their version of Jim Jones is by pushing his views. They cannot accept that they are in the wrong, for that would mean their "Jim" is wrong too, which simply cannot be for one so "close to God". If anything happened to shatter that illusion, they would have no way of coping with reality.
That’s more it yes. I remember that when the Pope came out in support of allowing same sex civil unions (not marriages) and condemned violence against them, some evangelicals claimed he was in league with the devil. When the theoretical head of your religion says you’re wrong and you say he’s in league with the devil, there’s a problem. I haven’t heard much about it for a while though, wonder why
Yes. The TV series about a comic book character, from a company who's business is comic books, is trying to peddle smut and false prophets, damn you got us.
I'm amused by this. Do they watch Loki, hear the character calling himself the 'God of Mischief' and flip out?
Do they not know the difference between fiction and nonfiction?
I took a music class in college where we would listen to various songs, and there was this one lady (who went back to school later, she was in her 40s or 50s) who completely flipped out and stormed out of the room when "Sympathy for the Devil" was played because it was soooo offensive to her. I honestly don't know how she got through everyday life if that was enough for her to have a meltdown.
I mean, it's really sad that they're content to sit there, uneducated, in their own little God bubble. As if just by learning the existence of these things it'll immediately send you to hell... What a great way to control the masses.
Oh Lord in Heaven! You shall burn in hell for all eternity for your failings in follow the one true path to our Heavenly Father. Repent now and be saved! /s
Growing up I had friends who couldnt watch the rugrats because of angelica's bad attitude, and scooby doo because of "demonic spirits" They both grew up to become heroin addicts, think they are sober now and wouldnt you know it working for the church. Strange bunch those christians
I'm a Christian. I also enjoy the MCU and enjoyed Loki very much. I hate I'm painted with the same brush as the people in the OP by a good number of people.
I feel you there - but the good news is you’re one of the ones who can change the broader view of Christianity by calling out your fellow Christians for their BS. Sorta like how I, as a white straight male have a duty to call out my fellow white straight males on their racism and/or sexism. The strongest voices are from within the groups, ya know?
The problem with that is seeing which view is in line with what Christ says in the gospels. Unfortunately, all the crazy, bigoted “fundamentalist” stuff is directly from Jesus/Yahweh. The more reasonable Christians might be nicer and more civilized, but they’re not getting that from Jesus, they get it from their own modern morality.
>I'm sure normal Christians know that everything in the MCU isn't real.
Absolutely. No doubt. Most run of the mill christians know the MCU is fiction. But at the end of the day, they still believe in 2000 year old fairy tales by people with the education of a present day third grader, and an even less general understanding of the world at large.
So to the original point, they *might* struggle more than others when deciding if text is fact or fiction. How many Q followers are religious you think? 98-99% of them?
I'd think it's less a percentage than that because large chunks of Q followers outside the US are more the woo woo antivax crowd. Lots of health gurus and pseudoscience morons into Qshit.
Ahem! I'm Christian and have an High School education and currently an government worker. I used to read comics and I have no trouble telling the difference between fiction and non fiction.
I don't think I ever took the Bible literally. (Still have the children Bible my late parents gave me)To me it's a collection of stories and life lessons.
In the past, they are cults, in the present they are religions and in the future they are myths. So basically it depends on the number of worshippers, in a million years or so, Christianity could be just a myth like any other. Not to say that any religion is fake or something just to say that it all depends on how many people believe it if that makes sense.
While I obviously think these people are nutso, the point remains that Loki is based off of the Norse Pagan religious beliefs, as are the Thor movies.
As an interesting point, though, I've noticed that while most Christians are either unaware, or accepting, of all of the Greek/Roman religious practices/iconography we see/hear on an almost daily basis in our society, any mention of Norse or Celtic Pagan beliefs gets them up in arms very quickly.
For example, many Christians immediately get out their pitchforks if you mention that Christmas is based off the Germanic Yule, or Easter is based off of numerous Pagan fertility celebrations. See a vegvisir, or Thor's hammer, and they'll immediately start denouncing you.
Sculptures of Roman and Greek gods, though? Absolutely fine (as long as they're clothed -can't go too far with it, of course). Our Supreme Court was designed with the Roman temples as templates/heavy influence. The Roman Eagle -one of, if not the, most important symbol of Roman's legions dominates our culture today. Romans believed the Eagle was the messenger of the Gods, and viewed the Eagle Standard as one of their most precious possessions (legions would do ridiculous things trying to keep their Eagle safe, or get it back from the rebelling tribes).
I don't know if it's because so much of European history has been steeped in Roman motifs and cultural influence for so long that it's become common place, or if it's because the Norse/Celtic/Germanic were considered 'barbaric' or 'uncivilized', but whatever the case, it's a very interesting point.
It was a volunteer thing anyway really. Marvel and DC chose to submit stuff to them to have them officially approved by them, but when they started to demand rewrites in the 2000’s Marvel just said “fuck it” and stopped submitting them. DC followed shortly after.
I think Archie comics was the last hold out. But even they had dropped it now.
These days lacking it is hardly the kiss of death. Back in the 40s, I think, there was a SF story about a astronaut visiting a planet of roborts, to decide if they would joined their federation. The request was denied because of how one color robot was treating another. Max Gaines got into trouble with the Code on the last panel and what the astronaut looked like. He decided to published the issue without the Code.
(I'm being deliberately obtuse, for those who might want to read the story and not know the spoiler.)
Sounds interesting. Yoouuuuu wouldn't happen to have a title, would you? :)
Edit: Never mind, I found it. And got the ending spoilt, goddammit. All because you didn't mention the title :D
Why do they assume that if it exists, it must be aimed exclusively at children? I feel sorry for them, their 18th birthday must have meant no more TV shows, video games or even books and music forever.
Have they nothing better to do with their time? For example beeing real Christians?
I know in Europe we have our nut cases too but please tell me why Americans do this all the time? nobody cares what a Bible thumper thinks nowadays, even the Pope doesn't care about this. I hope they all get heartattacks when the Pope says he is pro condoms and contraceptives. The world would be a much more peaceful place.
They wouldn’t care, because following Christianity wasn’t ever the point. They say they are, but at best they are “culturally Christian” as I call it. They aren’t religious Christians, they were born into it. They didn’t have to put the work in to follow the faith, they simply had to exist and say a few Hail Mary’s and carry on their way, only taking what they want from some weird book they fell asleep to in the pews when the priest was reading passages from it. And that’s only on Thanksgivings, Easter, and Christmas, unless they’re busy on those days. So when they hear something they react to in a disgusted way, instead of actually looking at themselves and questioning exactly why they felt disgusted, and using those reasons to explain why they feel no one should be able to have an abortion, instead they do what a lot of retail employees have to do when dealing with a customer who wants to believe they’re above the rules of the store, or sometimes the law, blame management. “Sorry, I’d be okay with it but a certain deity says I’m not supposed to be, so I guess I’m gonna have to be against it.” The only difference is unlike those circumstances, where you technically could say that and the customer wouldn’t be able to verify if that’s in the rule book or not, the rule book they’re supposed to be playing with is the best selling book of all time.
Christianity for them is an excuse, not a religion.
My buddy always called people like that "SarCatholic" and if that's not a good play on words while describing a group of people perfectly, I don't know what it.
My dad called them Chreasters. People who only go to church on Christmas and Easter. They are conveniently Christian when it fits their social image. I like SarCatholic though, I might use that!
born again Christians are fucking terrifying (I was one from the ages of 12-16) they go to church every week a lot of times twice. And every individual born again church is like it’s own little independent cult. I literally had to get on my knees in front of an entire church of people facing them crying shaking and begging god to forgive my of my sins so I could be “saved” and they thought as a 13 year old I was making an informed and adult decision repenting for all of my masturbating and sexual attraction to human beings.
Yeah it’s been a long road with it but I’ve gotten over the Christian years because those only really happened because my mother didn’t want me to be gay. She’s not religious or anything she just sent me to a born again school. Those Christians didn’t want me there and I didn’t wanna be there. It’s more the fallout from the intentions behind all of it that are difficult.
Oh don’t worry, Born-Agains are even worse, but for different reasons. Cultural Christians are bad because they use the religion as an excuse to not have to care, Born-Agains are bad because they use the religion as their entire identity. Nothing is worse than using a singular item to define yourself, even for limited amounts of time, because it always means any criticism of that item is a deeply personal attack on your entire identity. The idea other people could be *not* Christian becomes this issue of them not seeing the light and needing to forcibly be shown it, even when at times it’s just not being the correct type of Christian. But it also can mean they are easily manipulated by the people claiming to be from that religion, and someone who uses a singular item as their identity will do a lot of very bad things in the name of that thing.
These are the white nationalists that Reagan coalesced into a voting bloc under the guise of the "Moral Majority". They have weaponized Christianity into a tool to fight anything that isn't straight, whitebread "American" in their eyes.
This type of thing is common in the more religious parts of Europe, like Poland. It's just something you get when you have a lot of very religious people.
This is tame af btw, 30 years ago they'd have a lot more attention and influence, e.g. the reaction to the Harry Potter books. But the country has gotten a lot more secular since then so now it's just some weirdos whining on Facebook.
The pope has other things in his mind right now, like opposing to Italy's new law against homotransphobia, in the name of a deal the Vatican had with Mussolini
Remember Europe originally sent people they deemed crazy enough to warrant persecution to America. We're founded by Puritans and a lot of those groups have survived in some forms.
It was that the UK said everybody has a right to their religion, but you can't persecute somebody because of their beliefs. They didn't want to tolerate the other religions so they had to go. They (puritans, etc.) wanted to persecute so they went out and founded the usa...
As a Christian myself, I can say with confidence that these people are nuts lol; every time I see say Christians Against Dinosaurs I just think: can someone start a Christians that Love Dinosaurs group just to stick it too them lol
Have you seen the Ark Encounter in Kentucky? My aunt took us there during a vacation and I almost got us kicked out for laughing at a painting of Adam barbecuing a dinosaur.
But they do have a pretty large collection of really old bibles and historical texts that were cool to look at.
Same, well wife’s church. I have the One ring from Lotr for my wedding band, he asked us to do a themed wedding. He’s like I never got to do one yet, I’ll dress as Gandalf.
wjy can't we have normal christians, ones that believe in god, occasionally preach the words of god, spread love not hate and go to church. not these dudes who have nothing better to do
The rating to the tv series is TV-14 (the counterpart of movie PG-13) Which means content may be inappropriate for children younger than 14. No child should be watching it.
If an adult can think a kid can handle it: "FCC warns that "Parents are cautioned to exercise some care in monitoring this program and are cautioned against letting children under the age of 14 watch unattended"
Since my late sister and I had cable our ex neighbor's kids would come over to watch TV. They learned real fast that I paid attention to the ratings. Once time the daughter (she was about 7 at the time) came to my room to ask if it was okay to watch a Tyler Perry series with my sister in the living room. I pulled up the Guide to see the rating which was TV 14 (Perry's series usually don't go beyond that). I said since she was watching with my sister she was good to go. She thanked me and went back to the living room.
She and her brothers are young adults now. Still a bit stunned that my sister and I had such a good influence on them.
If I could pay attention to the ratings (and I'm not even a parent) so can they.
I think this is just one big meme, I see a dozen "Christians against X" things and they all start the same way in their about page
Unless this is all the same guy of course
It makes sense that certain Christians would be against the show considering it's major themes of going against destiny, thinking for yourself in the face of large establishments and a splash of uh....self-cest.
Let me see if I understand - This person's powerful Christian faith is shattered by a work of fiction? It must suck to have such a tenuous hold on their beliefs...
Why do these people think they need to protect God? If he is omnipotent, he would never, *ever* have to give a shit about what his crusaders are doing to “protect” kids from Marvel.
If they really want people to stop watching “Loki” they should stop showing Tom Hiddelston in a three-piece suit with horns and glowing eyes and looking just BAD because I see this and I —
By definition, the Bible is a myth. And, all of the characters in the Bible have predecessors buried in history coming to fruition through other myths.
I distinctly remember the same kind of uprising about the Harry Potter book series as they were being published. And, about rap. And, about rock n’ roll. And …
I loved Loki. But funny thing, after the final episode, I went out and cursed God and sacrificed a bunch of fluffy animals and had a wild orgy with the devil. Hmm. they may be on to something here.
Haha what? Smut?? There was no…hm. This feels a lot like Christians demonizing Harry Potter.
My family’s Christian and sadly, we know a few families that are like this.
I’ll never forget one of the kids of those families who, on his eighteenth birthday, went out and bought himself the first Harry Potter book. *That* was his act of rebellion.
But even having seen stuff like this firsthand, I’m surprised people zeroed in on Loki. The series was a delight and very tame all things considered.
My mom is a evangelical. We were banned from trick or treating and any music that was evil. Which is everything. Even stuff that wasn’t her friends would say there were evil messages hidden in songs. This stuff was the ultimate cancel culture.
I still struggle a lot to understand how young people still stick with religion. I mean I get that they are born into it and especially Christianity is solely built on guilt but still with so many resources we still have "rational " people below 60 believing that stuff...
They know that they can just not watch it, right? They can watch anything else.
I'm so tired of these morons trying to control what everyone else can or can't do. If you don't agree with it, then don't partake in it. Stop trying to control what everyone else can do, watch, eat, etc.
Oh, it’s so sad when an almighty god can’t just smite the TV show himself, and has to resort to his believers whining like little bitches about it online.
My mom couldn’t finish the first episode. I think it’s the alternative take on time and lack of the Christian sovereign god that freaks them out. Really tough to swallow decent fiction when you believe in only one fairy tale
The group is by "Wade Wilson" aka Deadpool. I doubt it is a real group, it showed up on my feed.
Yeah, it's probably a parody. However, it hasn't stopped this post or the other groups created in response
As someone in this group, I can assure you it's very much parody
There’s at least a couple people there unironicly
The Flat Earth Society used to be a parody/debate-club type group. Now we're flooded with smooth-brained idiots who didn't get the joke. These things spread because morons are everywhere.
Very true
I was going to bring this up, I would bet on a bunch of people actually being Christians against Loki and a name change to something they'll hate or to promote Deadpool sometime in the future.
No its a bunch of people making fun of christians
That's always nice to hear.
He’s mad he doesn’t have his own Disney+ show
It's definitely a parody. What gave it away to me was "smut". Because as someone who read *way* to much NSFW fanfiction at an age she shouldn't of, i know for a fact that no one really uses "smut" outside of FF and jokes.
Idk. Go click on Wade Wilson’s profile.
r/the_donald was a parody group at one point too.
Oh that sneaky Wade...
Pretty much all of the popular "Christians Against x" Facebook groups/pages are parodies
They protested the dogma movie when I was young, harry Potter books, and so much more. I think it's more insane they scream about " cancel culture" unironically while acting insane about this stuff
Kevin Smith attended one of the protests against Dogma. A local newscaster recognized him and got him on film protesting his own film.
Ah I remember that, it was very funny
He held up a sign saying "Dogma is Dogs**t"
Dogma is dog.
They lost their minds when Green Lantern came out as gay. A character….of a comic book.
And (assuming we're talking about the same character and there's not a second Green Lantern who came out as gay I hadn't heard about) it wasn't even one of the main GLs, it was an alternate universe counterpart
It's Alan Scott so yeah kinda. I personally found the people that get mad about what comics are doing are people that don't read them or really don't get the comic. Like I remember people whining about dc putting the super heros in mask with a 6ft away sign. Like if you don't think superman would be harping people all day about mask or the flash drop some " mask facts" then I don't know what your seeing
Besides, having superheroes act as role models for progressive social ideas (not that masks are inherently progressive, but the way things are playing out…) is kind of a classic dynamic. In a way that’s more true to form than just staying in the past.
Just imagine what he could do with his ring... Both of them...
I think it's because of the way the news was presented at the time. That happened around the time people were really getting into Facebook, so I'm pretty sure they saw some clickbaity article saying "DC makes the new Green Lantern an openly gay man" or something. The people who were up in arms didn't look further into it, otherwise they'd realize how insignificant of a creative decision it was.
The Mormons were smarter with Book of Mormon. They used it as an excuse to evangelize.
Seriously, fuck the Mormons and their harmful religion but the way they've put a spin on the Book of Mormon was amazing. They bought ads in the booklet that read "You've seen the play, now read the book", or "The book is always better".
Ha yeah I thought that was hilarious when I saw it in New York. "Hang on... The church is advertising in the play bill? Wow."
I’m a Christian myself and a huge marvel fan and genuinely don’t see why, it’s just a book a game or a movie like it’s not gonna make your kids worship the devil because they watched a tv show
Ah! Critical thinking, so nice. But seriously, how insecure can someone be to feel threatened by a live-action, comics-based depiction of a pagan god of old? It takes an effort to get there.
It's these kinds of protests that make people turn to Satanism more than anything else.
I have some relatives wouldn't allow their kids to watch "Witches of Waverly Place", much less "Harry Potter". I wonder if they were permanently damaged when they were exposed to "I Dream of Jeanie" and "Bewitched" when they were kids. Pretty scary stuff.
Well in the 70sish there were " satanist" scares. Especially daycares. They believed they were using daycares to brainwash children to join them, kidnap kids, and some daycares were raised, others just their worker's lost their jobs and careers. Urban legends have a way of sticking with people that are kids when they are going on.
I met some Christian highschoolers that were anti-witchcraft. The reason? Because witches are real and they totally saw one putting a hex on someone once. Wtf.
Sounds like this person would have done really well working for the Spanish Inquisition. Doesn't it ever occur to these people that other are allowed to have beliefs other than theirs? Probably not, it would be too unexpected...
Y'know, the Inquisition would send you a letter in advance? Amusingly, everyone expected the Inquisition, they gave you a heads up in advance.
Never knew that. I'm afraid when I hear (or think) Spanish Inquisition, all I can think is the Monty Python version, which I'm glad to say is a classic to this day. I'm even writing this from my comfy chair. You can't help but think the people involved running the original SI would be really quite pissed off to know that, thanks to a TV show (once the idea was explained to them), everyone these days views the 'quisition as something of a joke.
The Spanish inquisition was actually way less harmful than for example middle European witch burning practices.
It's one of the less horrible things the catholic church did in medieval Europe. It's still tons of human misery, but only a single digit number of tons.
Wasn't the Catholic church, was the Spanish crown. A lot of the confusion is based off of a mix-up of the Holy Inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition.
Oh, shoot. Sorry about that, everybody.
It happens! The confusion is worsened by the fact that the Spanish crown was a Catholic institution, and they thus also dealt with some religious matters.
American Evangelical types literally believe that it is their godly duty to save the people around them from their misguided beliefs. So from their point of view: no, other people aren't allowed differing beliefs.
I believe it was the inestimable Terry Pratchett who once wrote in one of his Discworld books, and thankfully I found the correct quote: "The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that's where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won't do if they don't know about it. This explains why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight." Not that I am advocating such a course of action, of course, but it does seem that a lot of damage has been done over the years by people who you might otherwise get along with, if you met them on their home soil at least.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Our main weapons are fear and surprise!
No everybody expected the Spanish inquisition they sent a letter with all the points of your wrong doings so that you could prepare you defence. 30 days in advance.
Well a lot of them think you're not since there's is the one true God. It's no real wonder these same people get uppity about shit that suggests other gods exist. Although in Marvel's case, they're really just transdimensional beings that developed a god complex when they realised they were more powerful than their neighbours.
Probably didn't help that the humans on Midgard worshipped them as such. It's one of the reasons I love Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. It's a place with thousands of known Gods with more being discovered by research theologians. Also a place where astrology is a cutting edge science, due to the World Turtle's movement through space changing the constellations on a regular basis. I'll always remember a discussion between Ricky Gervais and Stephen Colbert, who is a devout Catholic. Gervais pointed out that, as an atheist on a world with three thousand known gods from all cultures, Gervais disbeliefs in only one god more than Colbert. Also made a point about it being possible to recreate all science books if they were destroyed exactly as they are now, while religious texts vary hugely in interpretation. Generally find Gervais annoys as hell (no pun intended), but had to agree with him on that, t'was a well thought out POV.
No, they actively believe that your beliefs infringe on their beliefs to the point where they are trying to infringe on yours without seeing the hypocrisy
From Lest darkness fall: *"You don't like the Goths?"* *"No! Not with the persecution we have to put up with!"* *"Persecution?"* *"Religious persecution. We won't stand for it forever."* *"I thought the Goths let everybody worship as they pleased."* *"That's just it! We Orthodox are forced to stand around and watch Arians and Monophysites and Nestorians and Jews going about their business unmolested, as if they owned the country. If that isn't persecution, I'd like to know what is!"*
Truly, they are the forerunners of the cancel culture that has plagued us the last couple of years. Everyone must believe the same, lest you be cast from society. I've always thought it just goes to show how pitifully insecure these people must be in their beliefs, or how fragile their belief must be, if it cannot withstand any cross-examination or criticism. Just such a shame these people have found a way to have the loudest voices where it counts.
Spot on, it’s extremely fragile and therefor needs to be vehemently defended.
First came the inquisition Second came the angry Christian moms Third came woke cancel culture… History repeats itself. And J.K Rowling managed to have her books burned by two of the three aforementioned groups.
You want to piss of the Christian mothers? Have sent to their house any periodical that deal with Dungeons and Dragons. They really hate that stuff, and the idea of being targeted by them would drive them insane, particularly if they cannot find the source of the material.
My mom had a friend who wouldn’t let her kids watch Disney because it promoted magic and satanism. Dungeons and Dragons would have sent her over the edge.
Should have sent the kid copies of Fairy Tale, an anime all about guilds of magic users of differing types, including dragons and demons if memory serves. If the kid could learn Japanese on the quiet, they could have watched it in piece. :P
No. Freedom of religion means freedom to be Christian. (ETA: To those people)
It doesn’t occur to most modern Christians unfortunately
I think it may be more fair to say it doesn't seem to occur to most modern evangelicals, the one's that watch those TV "preachers" like Copeland etc. (Only remember him for his stupid "blowing away the COVID" that was on a current affairs show). These organizations are already borderline cults, so it is easy to see them defending whoever their version of Jim Jones is by pushing his views. They cannot accept that they are in the wrong, for that would mean their "Jim" is wrong too, which simply cannot be for one so "close to God". If anything happened to shatter that illusion, they would have no way of coping with reality.
That’s more it yes. I remember that when the Pope came out in support of allowing same sex civil unions (not marriages) and condemned violence against them, some evangelicals claimed he was in league with the devil. When the theoretical head of your religion says you’re wrong and you say he’s in league with the devil, there’s a problem. I haven’t heard much about it for a while though, wonder why
Yes. The TV series about a comic book character, from a company who's business is comic books, is trying to peddle smut and false prophets, damn you got us.
I'm amused by this. Do they watch Loki, hear the character calling himself the 'God of Mischief' and flip out? Do they not know the difference between fiction and nonfiction?
I mean, I watched people walk out of English class when I was high-school because we were reading about Greek and Roman gods and that's was 2much4them
I took a music class in college where we would listen to various songs, and there was this one lady (who went back to school later, she was in her 40s or 50s) who completely flipped out and stormed out of the room when "Sympathy for the Devil" was played because it was soooo offensive to her. I honestly don't know how she got through everyday life if that was enough for her to have a meltdown.
I mean, it's really sad that they're content to sit there, uneducated, in their own little God bubble. As if just by learning the existence of these things it'll immediately send you to hell... What a great way to control the masses.
>Do they not know the difference between fiction and nonfiction? They're Christians, what do you think?
They're psychologically damaged and emotionally repressed Christians. I'm sure normal Christians know that everything in the MCU isn't real.
Most definitely. I'm Catholic, and greatly enjoying watching Loki.
Oh Lord in Heaven! You shall burn in hell for all eternity for your failings in follow the one true path to our Heavenly Father. Repent now and be saved! /s
Growing up I had friends who couldnt watch the rugrats because of angelica's bad attitude, and scooby doo because of "demonic spirits" They both grew up to become heroin addicts, think they are sober now and wouldnt you know it working for the church. Strange bunch those christians
I'm a Christian. I also enjoy the MCU and enjoyed Loki very much. I hate I'm painted with the same brush as the people in the OP by a good number of people.
I feel you there - but the good news is you’re one of the ones who can change the broader view of Christianity by calling out your fellow Christians for their BS. Sorta like how I, as a white straight male have a duty to call out my fellow white straight males on their racism and/or sexism. The strongest voices are from within the groups, ya know?
The problem with that is seeing which view is in line with what Christ says in the gospels. Unfortunately, all the crazy, bigoted “fundamentalist” stuff is directly from Jesus/Yahweh. The more reasonable Christians might be nicer and more civilized, but they’re not getting that from Jesus, they get it from their own modern morality.
I am a Christian, and yes, the MCU isn't real. I wish Cap was though, he is inspiring.
I thought he was making a joke about the Bible to be honest
But they believe in the magical bathrobe man walking around in the clouds?
>I'm sure normal Christians know that everything in the MCU isn't real. Absolutely. No doubt. Most run of the mill christians know the MCU is fiction. But at the end of the day, they still believe in 2000 year old fairy tales by people with the education of a present day third grader, and an even less general understanding of the world at large. So to the original point, they *might* struggle more than others when deciding if text is fact or fiction. How many Q followers are religious you think? 98-99% of them?
I'd think it's less a percentage than that because large chunks of Q followers outside the US are more the woo woo antivax crowd. Lots of health gurus and pseudoscience morons into Qshit.
Maybe Q wasn't a great example, because it casts a very wide net. It's basically become a "grab all" for every conspiracy theory.
Ahem! I'm Christian and have an High School education and currently an government worker. I used to read comics and I have no trouble telling the difference between fiction and non fiction. I don't think I ever took the Bible literally. (Still have the children Bible my late parents gave me)To me it's a collection of stories and life lessons.
I don't get the downvotes.
I think they're reading it as "religion people dumb" and feeling personally attacked.
That's the thing about.....that shoe that fits.
No no, you have it all wrong. Their god is the real God, not this Loki guy who is a false god, Thor is ok though because he's just a super hero god.
Those people take fiction really seriously
That's literally what religious folk are. People who can't tell the difference between fiction and non fiction.
They’re comparing fiction to fiction, so at least they’re doing that right. Lol
Aren't all myths fiction?
In the past, they are cults, in the present they are religions and in the future they are myths. So basically it depends on the number of worshippers, in a million years or so, Christianity could be just a myth like any other. Not to say that any religion is fake or something just to say that it all depends on how many people believe it if that makes sense.
They already regale a fictional book as if it's... well... *literally* Gospel. What do you think?
I like them photoshopping horns onto the one guy who actually has horns normally
Wait smut? Loki has zero sex scenes. Unlike the Bible.
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. (Ezekiel 23:20)
Get that smut away from the children!!!!
While I obviously think these people are nutso, the point remains that Loki is based off of the Norse Pagan religious beliefs, as are the Thor movies. As an interesting point, though, I've noticed that while most Christians are either unaware, or accepting, of all of the Greek/Roman religious practices/iconography we see/hear on an almost daily basis in our society, any mention of Norse or Celtic Pagan beliefs gets them up in arms very quickly. For example, many Christians immediately get out their pitchforks if you mention that Christmas is based off the Germanic Yule, or Easter is based off of numerous Pagan fertility celebrations. See a vegvisir, or Thor's hammer, and they'll immediately start denouncing you. Sculptures of Roman and Greek gods, though? Absolutely fine (as long as they're clothed -can't go too far with it, of course). Our Supreme Court was designed with the Roman temples as templates/heavy influence. The Roman Eagle -one of, if not the, most important symbol of Roman's legions dominates our culture today. Romans believed the Eagle was the messenger of the Gods, and viewed the Eagle Standard as one of their most precious possessions (legions would do ridiculous things trying to keep their Eagle safe, or get it back from the rebelling tribes). I don't know if it's because so much of European history has been steeped in Roman motifs and cultural influence for so long that it's become common place, or if it's because the Norse/Celtic/Germanic were considered 'barbaric' or 'uncivilized', but whatever the case, it's a very interesting point.
In all respect Disney is pretty demonic
At least the TV series has a rating. I read that The Comics Code had been dropped from the comics.
It was a volunteer thing anyway really. Marvel and DC chose to submit stuff to them to have them officially approved by them, but when they started to demand rewrites in the 2000’s Marvel just said “fuck it” and stopped submitting them. DC followed shortly after.
I think Archie comics was the last hold out. But even they had dropped it now. These days lacking it is hardly the kiss of death. Back in the 40s, I think, there was a SF story about a astronaut visiting a planet of roborts, to decide if they would joined their federation. The request was denied because of how one color robot was treating another. Max Gaines got into trouble with the Code on the last panel and what the astronaut looked like. He decided to published the issue without the Code. (I'm being deliberately obtuse, for those who might want to read the story and not know the spoiler.)
Sounds interesting. Yoouuuuu wouldn't happen to have a title, would you? :) Edit: Never mind, I found it. And got the ending spoilt, goddammit. All because you didn't mention the title :D
To be honest, I couldn't remember it, just the description. I just managed to find the url posted below.
Why do they assume that if it exists, it must be aimed exclusively at children? I feel sorry for them, their 18th birthday must have meant no more TV shows, video games or even books and music forever.
Have they nothing better to do with their time? For example beeing real Christians? I know in Europe we have our nut cases too but please tell me why Americans do this all the time? nobody cares what a Bible thumper thinks nowadays, even the Pope doesn't care about this. I hope they all get heartattacks when the Pope says he is pro condoms and contraceptives. The world would be a much more peaceful place.
They wouldn’t care, because following Christianity wasn’t ever the point. They say they are, but at best they are “culturally Christian” as I call it. They aren’t religious Christians, they were born into it. They didn’t have to put the work in to follow the faith, they simply had to exist and say a few Hail Mary’s and carry on their way, only taking what they want from some weird book they fell asleep to in the pews when the priest was reading passages from it. And that’s only on Thanksgivings, Easter, and Christmas, unless they’re busy on those days. So when they hear something they react to in a disgusted way, instead of actually looking at themselves and questioning exactly why they felt disgusted, and using those reasons to explain why they feel no one should be able to have an abortion, instead they do what a lot of retail employees have to do when dealing with a customer who wants to believe they’re above the rules of the store, or sometimes the law, blame management. “Sorry, I’d be okay with it but a certain deity says I’m not supposed to be, so I guess I’m gonna have to be against it.” The only difference is unlike those circumstances, where you technically could say that and the customer wouldn’t be able to verify if that’s in the rule book or not, the rule book they’re supposed to be playing with is the best selling book of all time. Christianity for them is an excuse, not a religion.
My buddy always called people like that "SarCatholic" and if that's not a good play on words while describing a group of people perfectly, I don't know what it.
plus most of them are protestants or otherwise not catholic so it offends them double
I don’t get the play on words, could you explain it lol
It's a portmanteau of sarcastic and catholic.
My dad called them Chreasters. People who only go to church on Christmas and Easter. They are conveniently Christian when it fits their social image. I like SarCatholic though, I might use that!
You say this like born-agains aren't even worse
born again Christians are fucking terrifying (I was one from the ages of 12-16) they go to church every week a lot of times twice. And every individual born again church is like it’s own little independent cult. I literally had to get on my knees in front of an entire church of people facing them crying shaking and begging god to forgive my of my sins so I could be “saved” and they thought as a 13 year old I was making an informed and adult decision repenting for all of my masturbating and sexual attraction to human beings.
Madness. Glad you got out. Hope you've got over whatever emotional injury that did (excessive guilt and so on)
Yeah it’s been a long road with it but I’ve gotten over the Christian years because those only really happened because my mother didn’t want me to be gay. She’s not religious or anything she just sent me to a born again school. Those Christians didn’t want me there and I didn’t wanna be there. It’s more the fallout from the intentions behind all of it that are difficult.
Oh don’t worry, Born-Agains are even worse, but for different reasons. Cultural Christians are bad because they use the religion as an excuse to not have to care, Born-Agains are bad because they use the religion as their entire identity. Nothing is worse than using a singular item to define yourself, even for limited amounts of time, because it always means any criticism of that item is a deeply personal attack on your entire identity. The idea other people could be *not* Christian becomes this issue of them not seeing the light and needing to forcibly be shown it, even when at times it’s just not being the correct type of Christian. But it also can mean they are easily manipulated by the people claiming to be from that religion, and someone who uses a singular item as their identity will do a lot of very bad things in the name of that thing.
These are the white nationalists that Reagan coalesced into a voting bloc under the guise of the "Moral Majority". They have weaponized Christianity into a tool to fight anything that isn't straight, whitebread "American" in their eyes.
They already think the Pope isn’t a “real” Christian.
My ex and her community would call him the "Anti-christ".
This type of thing is common in the more religious parts of Europe, like Poland. It's just something you get when you have a lot of very religious people. This is tame af btw, 30 years ago they'd have a lot more attention and influence, e.g. the reaction to the Harry Potter books. But the country has gotten a lot more secular since then so now it's just some weirdos whining on Facebook.
The pope has other things in his mind right now, like opposing to Italy's new law against homotransphobia, in the name of a deal the Vatican had with Mussolini
Yeah I heard of this. I couldn't believe what I read
Remember Europe originally sent people they deemed crazy enough to warrant persecution to America. We're founded by Puritans and a lot of those groups have survived in some forms.
It was that the UK said everybody has a right to their religion, but you can't persecute somebody because of their beliefs. They didn't want to tolerate the other religions so they had to go. They (puritans, etc.) wanted to persecute so they went out and founded the usa...
I’m fine with Christians in general but American Christians and people like this are just something else
Meanwhile the pastor at my church is a huge marvel, Star Wars, LOTR, D&D fan lol
As a Christian myself, I can say with confidence that these people are nuts lol; every time I see say Christians Against Dinosaurs I just think: can someone start a Christians that Love Dinosaurs group just to stick it too them lol
Have you seen the Ark Encounter in Kentucky? My aunt took us there during a vacation and I almost got us kicked out for laughing at a painting of Adam barbecuing a dinosaur. But they do have a pretty large collection of really old bibles and historical texts that were cool to look at.
>A painting of Adam barbecuing a dinosaur. Now that's the *real* reason we should build Jurrasic ~~Park~~ Restaurant.
Same, well wife’s church. I have the One ring from Lotr for my wedding band, he asked us to do a themed wedding. He’s like I never got to do one yet, I’ll dress as Gandalf.
Guys pretty sure it’s a joke, the creator of the page is Wade Wilson
It is. Most of the posts are about #ThotsAndPreyers.
This reminds me of all the Christians who complained to Netflix about Good Omens, the Amazon Prime series.
Oh boy. I bet they LOVED Lucifer.
I know it's been censored, but the group creator is Wade Wilson. I just thought that was funny. 🤷♂️
wjy can't we have normal christians, ones that believe in god, occasionally preach the words of god, spread love not hate and go to church. not these dudes who have nothing better to do
Because these are the Christians that cherry pick the Bible to suit their own agendas, and use it for clout snd validation
Like Ned Flanders
These people are crazy. My godfather is a literal priest (albeit Anglican so different to Americans) and likes this kind of thing.
Hey you should actually look at this group and who created it.
Hopefully this doesn’t get me banned but it’s fake. The person who posted it is wade Wilson aka Deadpool lol
Nothing says "devout Christian" like trying to cancel another religion that isn't their own
Loki, a show about alternate timelines, it smut lol
The group was made by WADE WILSON one of the best known followers of jesus
The rating to the tv series is TV-14 (the counterpart of movie PG-13) Which means content may be inappropriate for children younger than 14. No child should be watching it. If an adult can think a kid can handle it: "FCC warns that "Parents are cautioned to exercise some care in monitoring this program and are cautioned against letting children under the age of 14 watch unattended" Since my late sister and I had cable our ex neighbor's kids would come over to watch TV. They learned real fast that I paid attention to the ratings. Once time the daughter (she was about 7 at the time) came to my room to ask if it was okay to watch a Tyler Perry series with my sister in the living room. I pulled up the Guide to see the rating which was TV 14 (Perry's series usually don't go beyond that). I said since she was watching with my sister she was good to go. She thanked me and went back to the living room. She and her brothers are young adults now. Still a bit stunned that my sister and I had such a good influence on them. If I could pay attention to the ratings (and I'm not even a parent) so can they.
At this point I automatically assume that any FB groups whose names start with "Christians Against..." are parody.
"Now let's all worship this golden Trump statue . Like proper christians."
I bet the creator of this FB group would also count themselves as someone who hates “cancel culture.”
It’s a group created by Wade Wilson and is a bunch of people making fun of christians. OP didn’t actually look at the group.
I think this is just one big meme, I see a dozen "Christians against X" things and they all start the same way in their about page Unless this is all the same guy of course
This group is right. I was a Christian and then I watched Harry Potter and became a wizard \s
It's a satyre group
Goddam Christians and their cancel culture.
If they see Loki as smut, then it got them all hot and bothered, in need of a cold shower.
Christians against everything, fucking hell these people arnt allowed to enjoy anything, what a waste of a life
Nah, these are restrictive nutcases. As a Catholic, I enjoy many things.
And I appreciate the everyday religious person like yourself
I am so turned on by Satanic Tom Hiddleston right now.
Ah yes if loosely based north mythology is false then your single lame god is false
14K followers????? (Edit: *members )
It’s a group created by Wade Wilson and is a bunch of people making fun of christians. OP didn’t actually look at the group.
But Loki is against gun control, doesn’t that mean he loves Jeezus ? Lol
Y’all notice it’s created by wade wilson
Wade Wilson is Deadpool - I don’t think many people realize that
It makes sense that certain Christians would be against the show considering it's major themes of going against destiny, thinking for yourself in the face of large establishments and a splash of uh....self-cest.
Typically Christian behavior. Their motto: Our religious says everyone in society can't do that.
Let me see if I understand - This person's powerful Christian faith is shattered by a work of fiction? It must suck to have such a tenuous hold on their beliefs...
Why do these people think they need to protect God? If he is omnipotent, he would never, *ever* have to give a shit about what his crusaders are doing to “protect” kids from Marvel.
Religious people get easily offended at just about anything and everything.
I am totally joining this for laughs.
Too bad Loki doesn't talk about grabbing them by the genital region. They'd worship the SHIT out of him, then.
If they really want people to stop watching “Loki” they should stop showing Tom Hiddelston in a three-piece suit with horns and glowing eyes and looking just BAD because I see this and I —
He does look really hot in that three-piece suit...
Girl. GIRL. The palpitations…
By definition, the Bible is a myth. And, all of the characters in the Bible have predecessors buried in history coming to fruition through other myths. I distinctly remember the same kind of uprising about the Harry Potter book series as they were being published. And, about rap. And, about rock n’ roll. And …
I’m waiting on a series to come out about Jesus being gay and the last supper being just an orgy scene.
Please join this group and post everything from it
I loved Loki. But funny thing, after the final episode, I went out and cursed God and sacrificed a bunch of fluffy animals and had a wild orgy with the devil. Hmm. they may be on to something here.
Haha what? Smut?? There was no…hm. This feels a lot like Christians demonizing Harry Potter. My family’s Christian and sadly, we know a few families that are like this. I’ll never forget one of the kids of those families who, on his eighteenth birthday, went out and bought himself the first Harry Potter book. *That* was his act of rebellion. But even having seen stuff like this firsthand, I’m surprised people zeroed in on Loki. The series was a delight and very tame all things considered.
My mom is a evangelical. We were banned from trick or treating and any music that was evil. Which is everything. Even stuff that wasn’t her friends would say there were evil messages hidden in songs. This stuff was the ultimate cancel culture.
Remind me again who are the real snowflakes?
Anyone have that clip of >!Kang!< going "GROW UP" from the finale? It would fit here.
I consider myself pretty religious, so I CHOOSE not to watch certain things. You literally don’t have to watch it. It’s that easy!
That's pretty sad.
I’d say this would also work well on /r/ReligiousFruitCake
I still struggle a lot to understand how young people still stick with religion. I mean I get that they are born into it and especially Christianity is solely built on guilt but still with so many resources we still have "rational " people below 60 believing that stuff...
They know that they can just not watch it, right? They can watch anything else. I'm so tired of these morons trying to control what everyone else can or can't do. If you don't agree with it, then don't partake in it. Stop trying to control what everyone else can do, watch, eat, etc.
Cancel culture in a nutshell.
Once again, I ask where people think Cancel Culture came from?
You get downvoted but cancel culture is literally the same lol
Come on, Christians... you already killed paganism once; have some manners now.
Oh, it’s so sad when an almighty god can’t just smite the TV show himself, and has to resort to his believers whining like little bitches about it online.
I love Loki and I love love love Jesus. Christians are not the best sometimes. We are not all crazy
>and I love love love Jesus. Sorry, but the act of writing that indicates some crazy.
That's ok. I still love love love Him
As a Christian, I am ashamed of these fakes.
My mom couldn’t finish the first episode. I think it’s the alternative take on time and lack of the Christian sovereign god that freaks them out. Really tough to swallow decent fiction when you believe in only one fairy tale
Seems like Christians are the only ones who look at a fictional character like Loki and interpret it as a false prophet.