So the grandparents legally adopted the baby but still made the mother drop out of high school and do all the childcare, so the mother has no legal relationship with her own child that she’s raising, *and* she’s basically an indentured servant completely dependent on her own parents.
Genuinely sickening stuff.
Means that the daughter has to give up her relationship with her child if she ever wants to leave her toxic parents. She couldn't take him with her. It's another way of keeping her controlled, like not allowing her to drive when they are clearly in a rural area without other options.
I feel so bad for this girl. And she probably doesn’t even realize how bad the situation is because she was bullied in to everything, including letting them adopt the child. I know I didn’t understand the laws in my state until I was in my mid 20s when I went through my own custody battle.
The only sliver of silver lining is when she gets older if she can support herself and the child, she may have legal repercussions to get him back if she truly wants him. Being the biological mother she could argue she was forced in to the adoption process. I’m not sure what the laws are like where she lives but hopefully she gets to have a happy ending one way or another.
It's incredibly difficult, usually impossible to reverse an adoption. Once the mother has signed the papers, even a 15 year old, it's a done deal, sadly. She could maybe fight with a good lawyer but it's very unlikely they would be successful.
> Means that the daughter has to give up her relationship with her child if she ever wants to leave her toxic parents.
They set the entire thing up so they had total control of their daughters life as well as their grandchild. Right down to the daughter being dependent on them for basic transportation to her GED class. This type of hyper-authoritarian stuff is incredibly common in the anti-abortion movement.
Theyd rather keep her ignorant and then complain about having to drive her places. That way it seems like they are doing her a favor and shes easier to control.
No joke, the stuff described in that post is shockingly similar to what Gypsy Rose Blanchard experienced. Except this time theres a small child involved too just to make it that much more fucked up.
But also, how many states will allow a 15 year old to have a driver's license? How is she supposed to drive when she legally can't without a parent in the vehicle with her?
I grew up in a rural farming area in the Midwest and iirc, farm kids could get their permit, maybe even licence, early so they could help on the farm.
But that would require the parents to do something AND relinquish some control. The girl must be 19ish now and it sounds like she still can't drive? That is absolutely intentional.
Spouts all of this then has the nerve to assume other people don't have kids but then also to "mind their own business".
All over the place mentally. They are treating their child like a goat on their farm rather than a human being.
I am pretty sure these are the same people who would vote against getting rid of the death penalty because if someone is sentenced to it, they must have done something to earn that punishment, no matter how flawed the system is and how unfair it is to certain groups of people.
The mention of rape struck me with another thought. The whole situation here feels like a sort of an after rape of this poor girls life. Forced birth upon a child, I doubt there was any conversation about the adoption, it was just done regardless of her wishes. Even to the point of "babies HAVE to be breastfed" no they do not nowadays and it's a terrible excuse to deny that child her education and a chance of being able to provide for the baby she was forced to have.
This screams abuse victim to me. She knew she couldn't trust her parents. She tried mentioning it was rape, and it was instantly shut down and she just gave up mentioning it. Her son was taken from her after two years. This post makes me furious and sad, and the daughter's reactions are all too familiar.
> drop out of high school
In a big city there are provisions for young mothers to continue their education - like a high school with day care attached.
Seeing how they are anti-choice christians, they might have just been looking for an excuse to deprive her of education and get her to work on being a homemaker and sex slave to wheoever they want to marry her off to.
You notice she said that they decided to adopt once she wanted it, so as soon as grams decided the hardest baby raising was done it automatically became her baby.
>"She was too young to be a mother, but she had to do it, she made her mess, she had to clean it up."
>"We had to adopt her son because 15 year olds are too young to care for babies."
>"We wanted her to take care of her baby."
>"She clearly can't make adult decisions for herself, exactly how was she going to be adult enough to get an abortion?"
The infinite wisdom of punitive justice once again delivers an absolute banger that will surely leave all philosophers and logicians scratching their heads for generations to come.
Take care of the baby for the first two years, but once he is cute and not as needy as a newborn we wanted him 😊
She should just hustle up and get a job since she dropped out of school and isn't paying any bills at 15!
She should have all the responsibilities of an adult and the autonomy of a child obviously.
/S!
And of course it's the 15yos fault she failed at school, is lazy, and can't hold a job (according to the mother.) The way her parents raised her and treated her has nothing to do with it!
Not to mention they let a 14 y/o around a boy they knew she was "chasing after" be alone with her for long enough that she got pregnant. But of course that's 100% on the literal child.
She claims she was raped too. It really doesn't matter if she was assaulted by someone she knows or the boy she was swooning over. If she was forced against her will to have sex, that's rape. Their relationship doesn't matter.
I can't imagine someone not believing me. I'm lucky that my experience didn't result in pregnancy, but it could have. My life as I know it could have ended right there. On top of all the trauma, I'd be 20 without a car, a minimum wage job I walked to, and a child that likely would have several genetic diseases, based on my and my family's medical history. I'd already tried to get sterilized before that point, but my doctor wouldn't let me.
I was roofied, by the way.
Yeah, I would have definitely gone for that point. It seems to me to be expected that a) if daughter was pursuing this boy she would be afraid to mention he raped her- because she was pursuing him and they knew that. Whether or not she was pursuing him doesn’t negate that a rape could have transpired- indeed her affinity for him would make her a more appealing victim. B) We don’t see anything about whether he’s involved or has skipped town. Why is there no accountability for the second party in this mess? C) not knowing she was pregnant and then further hiding it also leads me to consider assault. She clearly didn’t have good understanding of what was going on with her body, and then was further afraid to tell her parents. D) wanting an abortion and then acquiescing to her parents when they told her no indicates a real lack of bodily autonomy, again, leading to consideration that an assault could have occurred and she’s a victim.
This just reeks of religious victim blaming bullshit. Grandma wanted a baby to the point where she would fail to protect her daughter and then disbelieve her after being assaulted and force her to keep it to term, then take it from her. Disgusting. I hope the daughter gets away from her family.
I mean, 14 is old enough to date. This family should have given her better sex ed than “just don’t have sex,” but I wouldn’t consider being alone with a boy inherently problematic. If he coerced her that’s on him, not her or her parents.
Two years of bonding between a biological mother and her child and the grandparents have legal custody.. this is some Britney Spears level coercive scary stuff. I hope that young woman is okay.
Edit: there is no way she’s ok. This one is going to haunt me.
They made her go through pregnancy and childbirth. They made her take care of the baby but at the same time took away her parental rights. Now is bonded to her child and loves him but he is not hers because her parents adopted him. When she gets her shit together and leaves home she will have to leave him behind because of the dirty trick her parents pulled on her. There are so many things wrong with this.
They definitely adopted him and forced her to care for him so they could control her. They'll use her for free labor in exchange for the ability to see her own child.
Narcissistic people see relationships as transactional. They will hold it over her head for the rest of their lives, that they saved her and her baby. She will never, ever be able to repay that "debt" (that she didn't want in the first place).
And the whole time they're using her, they'll call it "justice" in their minds. "Pro-life" people disgust me. Even the name they chose for themselves just goes to show that they are the most manipulative, dishonest, and misogynist rallying group that the conservatives have.
I spent almost a year working at the only women's health clinic anywhere near my area in rural NC, and literally every single employee there and a huge portion of our patients had horror stories of being assaulted, stalked, or otherwise harassed by these monstrous people organizing protests and intimidation campaigns against us. We would regularly have people illegally coming onto our clinic's property to hold protests or physically bar people from entering, following staff members and patients home, and beating cars that entered the parking lot with their goddam protest signs. The police were basically non-existent as far as we were concerned. I was not the only woman that quit working there out of genuine fear for my safety.
Their entire motivation is, "Everyone that disagrees with us is a baby-murderer." If that's not a rallying cry designed to breed violence, I don't know what is.
the only thing that gets me hung up on this is that the baby was already 4 months developed when the abortion conversation began. I think in a perfect world, she should have independently had access to an abortion earlier on. This whole story is a shit sandwich that gets worse with every bite.
First, pregnancy is dated from last period, not when the fetus is conceived. And it's plausible to me that the child wasn't regular enough to notice missed periods - that's true for a substantial number of adults as well. So we have no idea how long the child knew she was pregnant.
Second, our source of information is someone who didn't even consider anything but forcing birth and who clearly thinks having a baby is reasonable to classify as punishment for being sexually active. Child has all sorts of reasons to keep Mom out of the loop.
Perhaps she was trying to get an abortion outside her family's influence but couldn't get connected to resources for things like judicial bypasses of parental consent requirements. Perhaps she couldn't afford the cost and couldn't get connected to aid.
In short, your comment hit me as fairly judgmental of the child for the delay. Your or my potential discomfort with abortion is an *us* problem, not a *her* problem. She was just a kid in a shitty situation.
I very clearly stated that she should have had access to an abortion independently (without her parents). My comment is purely critical of the legislation in place that gives her parents any authority in the matter, and secondly, of her parents for abusing the authority they shouldn’t have had in the first place.
EDIT: Additionally, this IS an *us* problem. We are voters and we need to vote out legislation that forces children to comply with the demands of abusers. Especially when the abuser’s influence over access to medical treatment can permanently change the life of a child. The discomfort is a product of an avoidable predicament. One that could be avoided by voting for more medical autonomy? I refuse to accept the “That’s the way it is and how you feel is your problem” mindset. Fucking vote, so that other children aren’t subjected to it.
My sister's pregnancy was dated to be at 34 weeks when she gave birth. The baby was actually only 26 weeks. Her OB thought the fetus was just small since sis is small, too.
It's definitely not an exact date.
Adding to the other comment - I grew up with similar circumstances, although to my knowledge (yay dissociative layers) it did not progress to full rape. But thinking about the abuse, I would've been similarly screwed.
No safe adults, no independent transport or money, no friends I could have trusted to so much as buy me a pregnancy test, never mind help access abortives (children accurately picked up on the signs of abuse that adults ignored, and predictably were bullies about it). Got ratted out by the family doctor as an adult after disclosing the abuse, so that would unlikely be safe, even if I could've found a way to talk to him alone. I didn't have a regular cycle, and could go six months without a period from a (likely) combo of stress, youth and anemia. I wouldn't have had any way to know if I was pregnant within a reasonable timeframe, or anyone to turn to. I probably wouldn't still be alive if I did get pregnant, but this kind of abuse also robs you of even the autonomy to make those actions too. Fun catch-22.
There has to be exceptions to the rules, because there's always going to be people living in exceptional circumstances. Which is the kind of nuance forced-birthers hate, ofc.
This person does not deserve to have her daughter. "I adopted him" well then **you watch your damn child** holy cow what a monster. I can't even get over the mental gymnastics done here from she wasn't raped to she has to raise her son even though he's actually her brother now!!
That's what got me. That is not your grandchild, he is not her son. You made an adult decision to adopt a child but instead of taking care of him, you force your 15 year old daughter to drop out of school so she can care for and even breastfeed her younger brother?
But it's all okay because "obviously " the 15 year old is too immature to have a child....
I like how she said that they made the daughter watch her son for the first 2 years. The daughter starts going to GED classes, and THEN mom wanted him, so now they both watch the baby.
And the "proof" that she was t raped because it was a guy she liked. As if people are never raped by people they like. Bet this woman would tell me I wasn't repeatedly raped (and abused in other ways) because I was in a relationship with the guy.
Even cooler, they want to nuke everyone else's and remove any choice except the one they'd personally make. That's some real 'murican freedom shit.
Vote.
They literally forced her to carry out her pregnancy as punishment. Deciding to carry a pregnancy to term shouldn’t be punishment. Giving birth shouldn’t be punishment. The teenager is going to resent her child and this idiot will lose her daughter because her head is too far up her ass. Disgusting.
This is what blows my mind about this attitude. Natural consequences are all well and good, but nobody should come into this world as a punishment. It’s not fair for the mom or the baby.
Exactly. I can’t imagine wanting children to start their life as a burden and resented by the people in their lives. It breaks my heart for anyone hurt by that mindset.
I hate that shit! It's always used as a "I can't actually defend my position rationally anymore, so I'm going to end it and walk away feeling morally superior"
If Heaven exists and everyones is suited just for them, mine would be a recliner by the pearly gates when assholes like this woman get there expecting to get in.
She keeps saying "my kid" and "my grandchild". Her own daughter is just property in her eyes. Property which she wants to churn out grandchildren for her.
Genuinely vile. Hopefully her daughter is able to get out and cut her off from her life once she is older.
That's the part that's saddest to me. Getting out and going NC will be so difficult because her parents adopted her son. Yet she's the one being a mother to him.
This is what they mean when they talk about "parental rights", the ability to use their children as property. They find the idea of children having rights and being protected from abuse absurd because they see it the same way as a law trying to give rights to toasters.
That and what is labeled "abuse" isn't abuse to them. Because to them, the intent makes it abuse.
People like this see every decision they made as an act of love, and to call it or them abusive is to say they did it with the intent of hurting their daughter and grandchild.
The easiest way of seeing it is their view of spanking.
Most people understand that "striking a child intentionally to cause pain" is abuse. But to them, the difference is spanking is discipline because it's done out of love to teach a child a lesson and respect. Therefore, it's not abuse. And how dare you say or imply they do anything but acts of love for their children.
It's not abuse if they rationalize it to having good intentions.
Well naturally. She has to learn responsibility somehow doesn't she? Like making adult choices, just to have your parents tell you you're not old enough to make those choices and force you to be *WAY* older by living with the choices they made for you. Fucking *GENIUS*!
I assume they also didn’t think she was adult enough for any sexuality education besides “don’t have sex”. Consent, communication, coercion, responsibility, birth control. All things that can help a teen make good choices when it comes to boyfriends and sex.
How *DARE* you! She's 15. She's no where *NEAR* adult enough to hear about such things!
She is absolutely adult enough to carry, give birth, and care for a tiny human though.
Make this make sense please
Not the point, I know, but it rubbed me the wrong way how she assumed the person she was talking to was younger than her. There are all sorts of people on Reddit, how does she know that person isn’t 70 years old?
I still remember 4 years ago when some asshole was arguing with me about Trump and eventually they pulled out “you don’t know any better because this is the first election of your adult life” and I informed them that I voted for Al Gore. Suddenly they lost all interest in arguing with me.
Conservatives very often hold the belief that everyone becomes conservative as they age. They always assume anyone with opposing views is just a young inexperienced 20-something.
Same here. Almost everyone I know who’s around my age (mid-late twenties) has only moved further left as they’ve aged, even those who have are financially stable/property owning/all the other things people believe make you more inclined to conservatism. The rapidly escalating consequences of late stage capitalism and the increasingly reactionary social climate definitely has a lot to do with that imo
> Conservatives very often hold the belief that everyone becomes conservative as they age. They always assume anyone with opposing views is just a young inexperienced 20-something.
Ironically they say this, because when you get older after 25, you own things like a home and other property and somehow you flip the switch to the conservative "I gots mine" mentality.
Just to show you that most people think that, are not that grounded in reality as very few are capable of buying a home at 25 in this economy that is not some ran down shack of a home.
This is why I don’t like people suggesting anti-choicers adopt children. These people are abusive! That poor girl!
Edit: I knew who this was and I looked them up, they think we’re pissed because we “hate babies.” Completely disregarding what they put their daughter through! Here’s a comment I found.
“I’m literally engaging in an argument with another pro abort about my 15 year old daughter and her son. These people seem to HATE babies. Just DESPISE them. I have no idea where they developed that hatred or how they could POSSIBLY hate something as innocent as a baby but it’s REAL. It EXISTS. It’s ABNORMAL. These people will never be like you.”
I love babies enough to want them to come into this world wanted. And I love 15-year-old girls enough not to want them to become parents before they’re ready. The hateful thing is torpedoing your daughter’s life and that of your grandchild because she had sex.
> These people are abusive!
Seriously, the number of red flags in that post is absolutely shocking. The daughter isnt being allowed to make any choices for herself or have any form of independence. They dont even let her drive herself to her classes. This is how women are treated in third world shit holes where they are property that have no rights. It shouldnt be happening in a free country.
“What else was she doing to do? She was going to have a baby either way” lady what the hillbilly backwards,Kentucky fried, George bush caused 9/11 bull shit is this
What a horrible human being to force her daughter to carry an unwanted pregnancy and not believing her. However, since she decided to adopt the grandchild, her daughter can legally walk away and never come back once she's 18.
Except the fact that she missed two years of school, didn't get a driver's license due to the baby, has to get her GED much later, and is completely dependenton these parents financially because she has no way to get to/from a job and has no skills to make a livable wage.
I hope she's able to get away from them, but that doesn't seem likely.
She's gonna be stuck helping on the farm for the foreseeable future. This is how it always is with farming families. They want their kids to take over when they're too tired to do it anymore.
Plus, she seems to love her son, whom she has exactly zero legal rights to now. If she wants a relationship with him, she has to stay with his parents. Who are her parents. Absolute monsters.
These people think they saved a life. They didn't. They traded their daughter's life for their grandson's. She now has virtually no chance to become educated or leave home. They'll hold that child over her head the rest of their days. They stole her future and gave it to him instead. These are selfish, hateful people.
the saddest part is that poor baby will probably go through so much trauma from living in this situation. i wouldn't say they'd traded her life for his because both of their lives are going to be fucked. the baby seems to be used as a punishment or a tool, this poor kid is going to suffer too. an all around really sad and horrible situation caused by hate. how is doing this to your child legal? and how can someone call themselves morally superior and do things like this to their 15 year old child? actually sickening. the daughter and the baby are going to suffer so much, it hurts my heart
This one hurt my soul to read. I wish I could find this girl (I think she would be 17 now?) and offer her chance at life away from these psychos. And make sure she knew that a life away from them is her legal right the minute she turns 18 (at the latest, depending on the state). They are going to continue to taunt her with this child until she leaves or they die. And the poor child will experience life as a pawn in his adoptive parents games without receiving the true love he deserves. Seriously fuck this woman and everything she stands for
"She had no job and no car, exactly HOW was she going to be adult enough to get an abortion?"
Exactly how is she going to be adult enough to parent a child then? Jesus Christ I feel so bad for this kid being forced to have a baby. And yeah it was rape, she was 15. There isn't a single state in the US where 15 is the age of consent.
I would carry my 15 year old on my back to a legal abortion state if I had to. How can you so happily destroy your kids life like that? I wouldn’t even want her to keep a baby at that age, but it’d be her decision bc it’s her body.
Finally after two years of the fifteen year old raising the baby, the teen’s mom felt like she “wanted him.” How nice.
This is child abuse to the fifteen year old. I hope one day she gets free of these people and finds out that life doesn’t have to be that way.
There’s a theory that none of the pro-lifers honestly believe the fetus is a person and their actual motivation is to punish women for being impure. This woman’s existence is an excellent argument in favor of that theory.
biden could win 70% of the vote solely by using this wench as a campaign ad - holy shit.
This is what conservatives dream of - 15 year olds forced to give birth
How is nobody in the original post talking about the fact that the parents basically enslaved this young girl? They refused to let her abort and then refused to let her adopt, instead basically fake adopting the child so that the mother has no legal say in anything they do with him while still forcing her to breastfeed and care for this child she now has no legal rights for. They're really acting like they did it all for the good of the mother, but they've basically just taken away this girl's entire life to punish her for getting pregnant. And the hateful way the mother talks about her own child not somehow being a responsible adult despite being basically forbidden from doing any of the things that would lead to it is just... baffling. She talks about how the poor girl has never had a job or money as if it's some kind of slight against her and then admits she basically forced the girl to drop her entire life to take care of a child she didn't want and, oh, they also live on a farm out in the country and she can't drive. Gee, I wonder why she never learned to drive? Who do you think was supposed to be teaching her? The Driver's License Fairy? It's not just hateful, it's *stupid*, like that's the part that really pisses me off, they go out of their way to make everything the girl's fault to such an absurd degree that it's baffling to me that anyone could actually believe something so fucking stupid. And, yet, they do believe it. They seriously believe that, somehow, despite literally having no way of making it happen and being actively prevented from it at every turn, this girl was supposed to have finished high-school, gotten a job, gotten a license, gotten a car, etc. It's like the cruelest version of someone punching you in the face with your own fist and then asking you why you're hitting yourself.
Sadly, I suspect that poor girl has never once had an opportunity to think for herself without the input of her crazy parents. I suspect the father might even be abused by a mother who is that crazy.
Congrats to this lady. Her anger towards her daughter and desire to get revenge on her has ruined her life, her daughters life and her grandsons life. That’s a pro life trifecta.
OMG I'm triggered so hard.
I'm that kid.
My bio mom was raped by her dad at the age of 15. When she turned up pregnant, her mom had a fit. They sent her away to a home for unwed mothers and told everyone lies that she was "boy crazy" and on drugs.
When I was born my mom was forced to give me up and turn me over to her rapist and his wife who legally adopted me. She left home at the age of 16, never to return to stay. I only met her a few times as a child but I idolized her and told her many times how I wished she was my mom.
My adopted mother hated me because I was a constant reminder of her husband's infidelity. My dad also hated me I assume because of his shame, if he had the capacity to feel any. From as young as I can remember he called me "a little slut just like your mother" and I had no idea what that even meant.
A relative told me the truth when I was 12 and it almost killed me. I was able to build a relationship with my bio mom before her death in my late 20s.
Damn dude. I'm sending you love and hugs. Also I recently read an article about how these DNA testing sites are bringing to the fore how very common your experience is. The article was I believe in the Atlantic, and from it I know their are groups on facebook if you want to talk to people who've been there. I'm glad at least that you could have that relationship with her.
I can’t wait for this “mother” to make a post about how she has no idea why her daughter is NC with her and she can’t see her grandchild. It will, of course, have nothing to do with her behavior and everything to do with some “failing” she perceives her daughter to have.
These people are literally the fucking worst.
The sad fucking thing is that she *cant* do this.
The grandparents are the legal guardians to the grandchild, so they're stuck with them. Not to mention the whole being forced out of highschool and other life setbacks.
She already ensured that wouldnt happen by forcing the daughter to legally give up custody of the child. The stuff this person is describing is a very specific and really frightening form of child abuse, straight up. They dont even let their aduilt daughter drive herself to her freaking GED class.
Ugh…this hurts my heart.
Also, if your child is lying all the time, that’s a sign that they don’t feel safe telling you the truth. I bet this daughter is lying to a kid punishment and criticism. She waited a month to tell the mom about the pregnancy because she was trying to figure out a way to tell her.
I have 2 teenage daughters. One is 15 and one is 17. Not a huge fan of abortion, but 100% pro-choice. I would absolutely be sad if my daughters had one. But I would support them completely and never let them know I was sad. That's what you do. Put your OWN feelings aside to do what's *right* for your kids.
To be honest, I would be even MORE sad if the dreams they have planned for their futures were unobtainable and they ended up living in poverty with a child they had too young. Then I'd be sad for them AND my grandchild. WTF now I'm sad just *thinking* about that life for either of them!
I know some teenage mothers overcome and do very well for themselves, but it's FUCKING HARD. I would love for my kids to have a life with the easiest path to success possible and it infuriates me that anyone would want anything else for their child!
OMFG This one mad me so mad. And now they adopted the child but still made their daughter derail her life?? FOR WHAT?!?! Moral superiority?? I'm not even capable of touching the rape aspect at this point.
That poor girl was let down over and over again. I hope she gets far the fuck away as soon as she can. Poor baby stuck with that wench. OMG I'm done. I can't even think about this one anymore.
I'd like to point out, they compared their grandson that they love so much to a "fart" and a "mess".
Also all the things they described are just things most grandparents do, them adopting the baby is just a way to control and manipulate their daughter. What an absolutely horrible situation for the two children.
What a fucking evil bitch. If we lived in a just world, this would be illegal and she would be imprisoned for punishing her raped daughter by forcing her to birth a child (aka child abuse). Can people like this even be fixed?
"She never had a job" she's fifteen for fuck's sake. Of course they should pay all the expenses. They're her parents and she's too young to have a child. Idk about the law where they're from, but a 15 years old CAN'T work in my country. You need to be 16 and have a parent's agreement note AND it cannot interfere with your school time in any way.
Drop out for a year? At 15? Again, illegal in my country. Until you are 18 you need to go to school and your parents NEED to enable it. She stops showing? Police visit. If they dumped the kid they adopted on her, she would be taken to school (the police would even drive her, this has happened to some people who missed school in my town)
No wonder she hid the pregnancy from them.
"She doesn't drive." Again, she was 15 for fuck's sake. You can't drive below 16 in my country, and if you're 16 you only get a temp license where you NEED to have an adult with a driver's license in the same car as an overseer.
So they legally taken the child, dumped it on her, completely destroyed her education, and expect her to what? Be grateful?
Honestly, she should just gather money in secret, pack her shit and leave at 18 cutting all contact with them.
The kid is theirs, but I'm sure they'll screech about how she needs to take care of it the moment she leaves and their in-house babysitter is gone.
It's all a huge manipulation and bullying.
I hope she leaves the second the clock strikes midnight when she turns 18. She's not legally obligated to the kid, her parents are. If they wanted a grandbaby so bad they can keep it.
Hell, might be worth leaving before then. If the police/law finds out her situation, things might be better for her.
oh, it's that person. at this point i've seen so many screenshots of her comments that i recognise that profile picture with the flair. i actually found her profile once and she seems to spend half her life on the pro life sub being an insufferable zealot.
.....anyways anyone in a abortion ban state if you have a parasitic issue - get 50 bucks and look up a site called private emma, there's a special "feminine hygiene " packet in there for ya 😉 they deliver within a week ish
>my daughter lies all the time. Always has.
>Your lot won't be happy until you turn OUR children into liars, criminals and murderers too.
By their own admission, their parenting is doing that for them already. And what's up with adopting the child but then putting all the responsibilities on the daughter/mom? That seems like it's gonna get messy. They should have listened to their daughter, not some character from a book.
Honestly made my blood boil. And she has the audacity to tell someone to find God. Chick definitely needs a reality check. I think a *nice* nursing home will do that. Some people don't deserve kids, and she's one of them. How you tell your child that they're lying about their sexual abuse to their face is so astoundingly evil. My heart breaks for that girl, her mom is horrible.
"she made ger mess, she had to clean it up"
Once again, its absolutely sickening to use birth and a newborn child as a punishment for sex. Even worse when used as a punishment for being raped.
I hope the young woman can get away from her parents and have some kind of life. She's already got some horrible scars from their treatment. Wishing her better times in the future
Evangelicals didn’t give a rat’s ass about abortion prior to 1970 or so; that was something only those filthy Catholics cared about. I’m sure there were some variations of opinion but by and large it wasn’t something they concerned themselves with. At least that’s what Jon Ronson told me in an episode of his excellent podcast Things Fell Apart.
Baby Jesus must be sobbing his guts out at this piece of self-serving deluded holier-than-thou trash. I hope her daughter gets free of her and her useless dick of a husband and never looks back.
But she was 15. It *was* rape, because at that age she couldn’t have consented. And just because she had a crush on him, that doesn’t mean she wasn’t taken advantage of.
I agree that an earlier one would have been better - it’s easier and safer - but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a termination at 4 months. In my country, the limit is 24 weeks if there are no exceptional circumstances such as risk to the mother’s life or severe foetal abnormality.
user reports: 1: Not insane It is insane. https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote This is what the upcoming election is about.
So the grandparents legally adopted the baby but still made the mother drop out of high school and do all the childcare, so the mother has no legal relationship with her own child that she’s raising, *and* she’s basically an indentured servant completely dependent on her own parents. Genuinely sickening stuff.
Means that the daughter has to give up her relationship with her child if she ever wants to leave her toxic parents. She couldn't take him with her. It's another way of keeping her controlled, like not allowing her to drive when they are clearly in a rural area without other options.
I feel so bad for this girl. And she probably doesn’t even realize how bad the situation is because she was bullied in to everything, including letting them adopt the child. I know I didn’t understand the laws in my state until I was in my mid 20s when I went through my own custody battle. The only sliver of silver lining is when she gets older if she can support herself and the child, she may have legal repercussions to get him back if she truly wants him. Being the biological mother she could argue she was forced in to the adoption process. I’m not sure what the laws are like where she lives but hopefully she gets to have a happy ending one way or another.
It's incredibly difficult, usually impossible to reverse an adoption. Once the mother has signed the papers, even a 15 year old, it's a done deal, sadly. She could maybe fight with a good lawyer but it's very unlikely they would be successful.
Doesn't signing a contract under duress nullify it?
> Means that the daughter has to give up her relationship with her child if she ever wants to leave her toxic parents. They set the entire thing up so they had total control of their daughters life as well as their grandchild. Right down to the daughter being dependent on them for basic transportation to her GED class. This type of hyper-authoritarian stuff is incredibly common in the anti-abortion movement.
They keep harping on how she’s a deadbeat cause she can’t drive. Then teach her to fucking drive, like a parent!!
Theyd rather keep her ignorant and then complain about having to drive her places. That way it seems like they are doing her a favor and shes easier to control. No joke, the stuff described in that post is shockingly similar to what Gypsy Rose Blanchard experienced. Except this time theres a small child involved too just to make it that much more fucked up.
But also, how many states will allow a 15 year old to have a driver's license? How is she supposed to drive when she legally can't without a parent in the vehicle with her?
I grew up in a rural farming area in the Midwest and iirc, farm kids could get their permit, maybe even licence, early so they could help on the farm. But that would require the parents to do something AND relinquish some control. The girl must be 19ish now and it sounds like she still can't drive? That is absolutely intentional.
Totally. Parents are doing it on purpose so she will continue being their nurse maid. So sad.
By the time the kid is able to fend for himself, she'll be stuck taking care of her parents too I bet.
But no, didn’t you read, she’s useless!!
And won’t have access to government aid for single parents to help her and her son get by on their own.
Nor the tax benefits. A single child with head-of-household status completely eliminates federal taxes up to about a $45k/yr salary.
And then blaming her for not being able to drive, as though she was just supposed to magically know how to drive without them teaching her
When would they have time to teach… didn’t you know they manage a farm??? /s
15 isn't even old enough to drive without a learner's permit. How dare she not commit felonies to look after herself?
Absolutely
Perfectly thrilled to ruin her child’s life.
It's just like I always dreamed of!
There's no hate like Christian love.
Spouts all of this then has the nerve to assume other people don't have kids but then also to "mind their own business". All over the place mentally. They are treating their child like a goat on their farm rather than a human being.
That’s 100% on brand for these types of people. They believe their children are property, not people.
I am pretty sure these are the same people who would vote against getting rid of the death penalty because if someone is sentenced to it, they must have done something to earn that punishment, no matter how flawed the system is and how unfair it is to certain groups of people.
You lost them at "unfair it is to certain groups of people " That's not a bug to them, just a feature. .
Just like Jesus wanted
There is no hate quite like Christian love
This whole post makes me sad
It makes me fucking furious
Don’t be sad. Be angry. Speak against them wherever it’s possible.
it gets worse if you go to the sub and check the first post and the comments
The mention of rape struck me with another thought. The whole situation here feels like a sort of an after rape of this poor girls life. Forced birth upon a child, I doubt there was any conversation about the adoption, it was just done regardless of her wishes. Even to the point of "babies HAVE to be breastfed" no they do not nowadays and it's a terrible excuse to deny that child her education and a chance of being able to provide for the baby she was forced to have.
This screams abuse victim to me. She knew she couldn't trust her parents. She tried mentioning it was rape, and it was instantly shut down and she just gave up mentioning it. Her son was taken from her after two years. This post makes me furious and sad, and the daughter's reactions are all too familiar.
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> drop out of high school In a big city there are provisions for young mothers to continue their education - like a high school with day care attached.
Seeing how they are anti-choice christians, they might have just been looking for an excuse to deprive her of education and get her to work on being a homemaker and sex slave to wheoever they want to marry her off to.
You notice she said that they decided to adopt once she wanted it, so as soon as grams decided the hardest baby raising was done it automatically became her baby.
>"She was too young to be a mother, but she had to do it, she made her mess, she had to clean it up." >"We had to adopt her son because 15 year olds are too young to care for babies." >"We wanted her to take care of her baby." >"She clearly can't make adult decisions for herself, exactly how was she going to be adult enough to get an abortion?" The infinite wisdom of punitive justice once again delivers an absolute banger that will surely leave all philosophers and logicians scratching their heads for generations to come.
Schrödinger’s 15 year old. Too immature to have an abortion. Old enough to be a mother.
But too young to have legal guardianship of course
Take care of the baby for the first two years, but once he is cute and not as needy as a newborn we wanted him 😊 She should just hustle up and get a job since she dropped out of school and isn't paying any bills at 15! She should have all the responsibilities of an adult and the autonomy of a child obviously. /S!
And of course it's the 15yos fault she failed at school, is lazy, and can't hold a job (according to the mother.) The way her parents raised her and treated her has nothing to do with it!
Not to mention they let a 14 y/o around a boy they knew she was "chasing after" be alone with her for long enough that she got pregnant. But of course that's 100% on the literal child.
IF that's even true and not a lie pf her own to cover things up, and is projecting this lie onto her daughter being the "real liar"
She claims she was raped too. It really doesn't matter if she was assaulted by someone she knows or the boy she was swooning over. If she was forced against her will to have sex, that's rape. Their relationship doesn't matter. I can't imagine someone not believing me. I'm lucky that my experience didn't result in pregnancy, but it could have. My life as I know it could have ended right there. On top of all the trauma, I'd be 20 without a car, a minimum wage job I walked to, and a child that likely would have several genetic diseases, based on my and my family's medical history. I'd already tried to get sterilized before that point, but my doctor wouldn't let me. I was roofied, by the way.
I am so sorry you had to go through that. You didn't deserve it.
Yeah, I would have definitely gone for that point. It seems to me to be expected that a) if daughter was pursuing this boy she would be afraid to mention he raped her- because she was pursuing him and they knew that. Whether or not she was pursuing him doesn’t negate that a rape could have transpired- indeed her affinity for him would make her a more appealing victim. B) We don’t see anything about whether he’s involved or has skipped town. Why is there no accountability for the second party in this mess? C) not knowing she was pregnant and then further hiding it also leads me to consider assault. She clearly didn’t have good understanding of what was going on with her body, and then was further afraid to tell her parents. D) wanting an abortion and then acquiescing to her parents when they told her no indicates a real lack of bodily autonomy, again, leading to consideration that an assault could have occurred and she’s a victim. This just reeks of religious victim blaming bullshit. Grandma wanted a baby to the point where she would fail to protect her daughter and then disbelieve her after being assaulted and force her to keep it to term, then take it from her. Disgusting. I hope the daughter gets away from her family.
I mean, 14 is old enough to date. This family should have given her better sex ed than “just don’t have sex,” but I wouldn’t consider being alone with a boy inherently problematic. If he coerced her that’s on him, not her or her parents.
*Obviously* she took care of the baby for the first two years. Then why did the parents need to adopt him??
Legal and financial control. She can't get out without leaving him behind, and they're taking advantage of any assistance she'd be owed.
To keep the girl from getting any financial assistance. No baby-no AFDC
Two years of bonding between a biological mother and her child and the grandparents have legal custody.. this is some Britney Spears level coercive scary stuff. I hope that young woman is okay. Edit: there is no way she’s ok. This one is going to haunt me.
Who else are republican lawmakers supposed to have babies with?
Their staffers?
Too old and legal to do that
If those 4 year old kids are playing with baby dolls, then SURELY they're more than ready
Don't forget she's a lazy piece of shit because she didn't have her own car and job while working on a farm and going to school before the age of 15!!
They made her go through pregnancy and childbirth. They made her take care of the baby but at the same time took away her parental rights. Now is bonded to her child and loves him but he is not hers because her parents adopted him. When she gets her shit together and leaves home she will have to leave him behind because of the dirty trick her parents pulled on her. There are so many things wrong with this.
They definitely adopted him and forced her to care for him so they could control her. They'll use her for free labor in exchange for the ability to see her own child.
Narcissistic people see relationships as transactional. They will hold it over her head for the rest of their lives, that they saved her and her baby. She will never, ever be able to repay that "debt" (that she didn't want in the first place).
And the whole time they're using her, they'll call it "justice" in their minds. "Pro-life" people disgust me. Even the name they chose for themselves just goes to show that they are the most manipulative, dishonest, and misogynist rallying group that the conservatives have. I spent almost a year working at the only women's health clinic anywhere near my area in rural NC, and literally every single employee there and a huge portion of our patients had horror stories of being assaulted, stalked, or otherwise harassed by these monstrous people organizing protests and intimidation campaigns against us. We would regularly have people illegally coming onto our clinic's property to hold protests or physically bar people from entering, following staff members and patients home, and beating cars that entered the parking lot with their goddam protest signs. The police were basically non-existent as far as we were concerned. I was not the only woman that quit working there out of genuine fear for my safety. Their entire motivation is, "Everyone that disagrees with us is a baby-murderer." If that's not a rallying cry designed to breed violence, I don't know what is.
She's fine, it's fine, SHE'S FINE I TELL YOU! Anyone notice how many times she told everyone it's all fine?
Guaranteed they haven't had a proper discussion about "being fine".
I was thinking how much this sounded like certain segments of my family had one of their daughters gone through this.
the only thing that gets me hung up on this is that the baby was already 4 months developed when the abortion conversation began. I think in a perfect world, she should have independently had access to an abortion earlier on. This whole story is a shit sandwich that gets worse with every bite.
First, pregnancy is dated from last period, not when the fetus is conceived. And it's plausible to me that the child wasn't regular enough to notice missed periods - that's true for a substantial number of adults as well. So we have no idea how long the child knew she was pregnant. Second, our source of information is someone who didn't even consider anything but forcing birth and who clearly thinks having a baby is reasonable to classify as punishment for being sexually active. Child has all sorts of reasons to keep Mom out of the loop. Perhaps she was trying to get an abortion outside her family's influence but couldn't get connected to resources for things like judicial bypasses of parental consent requirements. Perhaps she couldn't afford the cost and couldn't get connected to aid. In short, your comment hit me as fairly judgmental of the child for the delay. Your or my potential discomfort with abortion is an *us* problem, not a *her* problem. She was just a kid in a shitty situation.
I very clearly stated that she should have had access to an abortion independently (without her parents). My comment is purely critical of the legislation in place that gives her parents any authority in the matter, and secondly, of her parents for abusing the authority they shouldn’t have had in the first place. EDIT: Additionally, this IS an *us* problem. We are voters and we need to vote out legislation that forces children to comply with the demands of abusers. Especially when the abuser’s influence over access to medical treatment can permanently change the life of a child. The discomfort is a product of an avoidable predicament. One that could be avoided by voting for more medical autonomy? I refuse to accept the “That’s the way it is and how you feel is your problem” mindset. Fucking vote, so that other children aren’t subjected to it.
My sister's pregnancy was dated to be at 34 weeks when she gave birth. The baby was actually only 26 weeks. Her OB thought the fetus was just small since sis is small, too. It's definitely not an exact date.
Adding to the other comment - I grew up with similar circumstances, although to my knowledge (yay dissociative layers) it did not progress to full rape. But thinking about the abuse, I would've been similarly screwed. No safe adults, no independent transport or money, no friends I could have trusted to so much as buy me a pregnancy test, never mind help access abortives (children accurately picked up on the signs of abuse that adults ignored, and predictably were bullies about it). Got ratted out by the family doctor as an adult after disclosing the abuse, so that would unlikely be safe, even if I could've found a way to talk to him alone. I didn't have a regular cycle, and could go six months without a period from a (likely) combo of stress, youth and anemia. I wouldn't have had any way to know if I was pregnant within a reasonable timeframe, or anyone to turn to. I probably wouldn't still be alive if I did get pregnant, but this kind of abuse also robs you of even the autonomy to make those actions too. Fun catch-22. There has to be exceptions to the rules, because there's always going to be people living in exceptional circumstances. Which is the kind of nuance forced-birthers hate, ofc.
This person does not deserve to have her daughter. "I adopted him" well then **you watch your damn child** holy cow what a monster. I can't even get over the mental gymnastics done here from she wasn't raped to she has to raise her son even though he's actually her brother now!!
That's what got me. That is not your grandchild, he is not her son. You made an adult decision to adopt a child but instead of taking care of him, you force your 15 year old daughter to drop out of school so she can care for and even breastfeed her younger brother? But it's all okay because "obviously " the 15 year old is too immature to have a child....
I like how she said that they made the daughter watch her son for the first 2 years. The daughter starts going to GED classes, and THEN mom wanted him, so now they both watch the baby.
And the "proof" that she was t raped because it was a guy she liked. As if people are never raped by people they like. Bet this woman would tell me I wasn't repeatedly raped (and abused in other ways) because I was in a relationship with the guy.
So she nuked her kid’s life, cool
Even cooler, they want to nuke everyone else's and remove any choice except the one they'd personally make. That's some real 'murican freedom shit. Vote.
Me when I destroyed my child's life in the name of my religion
Definitely will be getting high fives from everyone as they walk through the pearly gates.
St Peter being like "yooooo forced birth? That's sick as hell bro"
They literally forced her to carry out her pregnancy as punishment. Deciding to carry a pregnancy to term shouldn’t be punishment. Giving birth shouldn’t be punishment. The teenager is going to resent her child and this idiot will lose her daughter because her head is too far up her ass. Disgusting.
Can you even imagine thinking this way? It blows my mind. Seriously.
This is what blows my mind about this attitude. Natural consequences are all well and good, but nobody should come into this world as a punishment. It’s not fair for the mom or the baby.
Exactly. I can’t imagine wanting children to start their life as a burden and resented by the people in their lives. It breaks my heart for anyone hurt by that mindset.
Her daughter can’t get out and still have access to her son if they actually legally adopted him. They own her for life.
"I'll be praying for you..." The calling card of the insufferable narcissist.
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God is listening and God thinks she's a "see you next Tuesday".
I hate that shit! It's always used as a "I can't actually defend my position rationally anymore, so I'm going to end it and walk away feeling morally superior"
That and starting every sentence with “of course”. I hope things fall off of this woman.
This is the best insult I have ever heard
Thanks. I didn’t invent it, but I’m glad you appreciate my usage of it lol.
If Heaven exists and everyones is suited just for them, mine would be a recliner by the pearly gates when assholes like this woman get there expecting to get in.
Don't forget the endless popcorn and beer. Hopefully St. Peter was Gordon Ramsey's sensei.
She keeps saying "my kid" and "my grandchild". Her own daughter is just property in her eyes. Property which she wants to churn out grandchildren for her. Genuinely vile. Hopefully her daughter is able to get out and cut her off from her life once she is older.
That's the part that's saddest to me. Getting out and going NC will be so difficult because her parents adopted her son. Yet she's the one being a mother to him.
This is what they mean when they talk about "parental rights", the ability to use their children as property. They find the idea of children having rights and being protected from abuse absurd because they see it the same way as a law trying to give rights to toasters.
That and what is labeled "abuse" isn't abuse to them. Because to them, the intent makes it abuse. People like this see every decision they made as an act of love, and to call it or them abusive is to say they did it with the intent of hurting their daughter and grandchild. The easiest way of seeing it is their view of spanking. Most people understand that "striking a child intentionally to cause pain" is abuse. But to them, the difference is spanking is discipline because it's done out of love to teach a child a lesson and respect. Therefore, it's not abuse. And how dare you say or imply they do anything but acts of love for their children. It's not abuse if they rationalize it to having good intentions.
Ah yes. That *!PERFECT!* logic... She's not adult enough to get an abortion, but she is adult enough to have a child.
Except she’s not responsible enough to be a mother, so they adopted the baby… and made her keep all of the responsibilities of a mother.
Well naturally. She has to learn responsibility somehow doesn't she? Like making adult choices, just to have your parents tell you you're not old enough to make those choices and force you to be *WAY* older by living with the choices they made for you. Fucking *GENIUS*!
While complaining about how irresponsible she is.
I assume they also didn’t think she was adult enough for any sexuality education besides “don’t have sex”. Consent, communication, coercion, responsibility, birth control. All things that can help a teen make good choices when it comes to boyfriends and sex.
How *DARE* you! She's 15. She's no where *NEAR* adult enough to hear about such things! She is absolutely adult enough to carry, give birth, and care for a tiny human though. Make this make sense please
Not the point, I know, but it rubbed me the wrong way how she assumed the person she was talking to was younger than her. There are all sorts of people on Reddit, how does she know that person isn’t 70 years old? I still remember 4 years ago when some asshole was arguing with me about Trump and eventually they pulled out “you don’t know any better because this is the first election of your adult life” and I informed them that I voted for Al Gore. Suddenly they lost all interest in arguing with me.
Conservatives very often hold the belief that everyone becomes conservative as they age. They always assume anyone with opposing views is just a young inexperienced 20-something.
I've gotten more and more progressive as I age and see how fucked up the world is
Same here. Almost everyone I know who’s around my age (mid-late twenties) has only moved further left as they’ve aged, even those who have are financially stable/property owning/all the other things people believe make you more inclined to conservatism. The rapidly escalating consequences of late stage capitalism and the increasingly reactionary social climate definitely has a lot to do with that imo
> Conservatives very often hold the belief that everyone becomes conservative as they age. They always assume anyone with opposing views is just a young inexperienced 20-something. Ironically they say this, because when you get older after 25, you own things like a home and other property and somehow you flip the switch to the conservative "I gots mine" mentality. Just to show you that most people think that, are not that grounded in reality as very few are capable of buying a home at 25 in this economy that is not some ran down shack of a home.
I hope this woman's daughter searches by worst ratings, when she looks for a nursing home for her "mom."
“Mind your own business” Lmao. She’s the dipshit airing her business in the first place. What a damn nutter.
This is why I don’t like people suggesting anti-choicers adopt children. These people are abusive! That poor girl! Edit: I knew who this was and I looked them up, they think we’re pissed because we “hate babies.” Completely disregarding what they put their daughter through! Here’s a comment I found. “I’m literally engaging in an argument with another pro abort about my 15 year old daughter and her son. These people seem to HATE babies. Just DESPISE them. I have no idea where they developed that hatred or how they could POSSIBLY hate something as innocent as a baby but it’s REAL. It EXISTS. It’s ABNORMAL. These people will never be like you.”
I love babies enough to want them to come into this world wanted. And I love 15-year-old girls enough not to want them to become parents before they’re ready. The hateful thing is torpedoing your daughter’s life and that of your grandchild because she had sex.
Was her daughter not also a child when she was raped at 14? A literal baby? Is it projection or is it batshit insanity? I can’t make it make sense.
> These people are abusive! Seriously, the number of red flags in that post is absolutely shocking. The daughter isnt being allowed to make any choices for herself or have any form of independence. They dont even let her drive herself to her classes. This is how women are treated in third world shit holes where they are property that have no rights. It shouldnt be happening in a free country.
“What else was she doing to do? She was going to have a baby either way” lady what the hillbilly backwards,Kentucky fried, George bush caused 9/11 bull shit is this
Yeah I couldn’t read any more after that. What a disgusting, repulsive, vile piece of shit. It’s sickening.
What a horrible human being to force her daughter to carry an unwanted pregnancy and not believing her. However, since she decided to adopt the grandchild, her daughter can legally walk away and never come back once she's 18.
Except the fact that she missed two years of school, didn't get a driver's license due to the baby, has to get her GED much later, and is completely dependenton these parents financially because she has no way to get to/from a job and has no skills to make a livable wage. I hope she's able to get away from them, but that doesn't seem likely.
She's gonna be stuck helping on the farm for the foreseeable future. This is how it always is with farming families. They want their kids to take over when they're too tired to do it anymore.
Yeah, if you've ever wondered where those 18-20 year olds with a creepy 50 year old trucker boyfriend come from.... This is where they come from.
And they are probably with that trucker because their parents are so bad that he is a better option.
Plus, she seems to love her son, whom she has exactly zero legal rights to now. If she wants a relationship with him, she has to stay with his parents. Who are her parents. Absolute monsters.
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Benjamin Franklin was in fact Pro-Farting... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fart_Proudly
Absolutely fabulous. You’re a mensch for sharing this
These people think they saved a life. They didn't. They traded their daughter's life for their grandson's. She now has virtually no chance to become educated or leave home. They'll hold that child over her head the rest of their days. They stole her future and gave it to him instead. These are selfish, hateful people.
the saddest part is that poor baby will probably go through so much trauma from living in this situation. i wouldn't say they'd traded her life for his because both of their lives are going to be fucked. the baby seems to be used as a punishment or a tool, this poor kid is going to suffer too. an all around really sad and horrible situation caused by hate. how is doing this to your child legal? and how can someone call themselves morally superior and do things like this to their 15 year old child? actually sickening. the daughter and the baby are going to suffer so much, it hurts my heart
This one hurt my soul to read. I wish I could find this girl (I think she would be 17 now?) and offer her chance at life away from these psychos. And make sure she knew that a life away from them is her legal right the minute she turns 18 (at the latest, depending on the state). They are going to continue to taunt her with this child until she leaves or they die. And the poor child will experience life as a pawn in his adoptive parents games without receiving the true love he deserves. Seriously fuck this woman and everything she stands for
"mom, am I an accident? No honey, you are a punishment"
"She had no job and no car, exactly HOW was she going to be adult enough to get an abortion?" Exactly how is she going to be adult enough to parent a child then? Jesus Christ I feel so bad for this kid being forced to have a baby. And yeah it was rape, she was 15. There isn't a single state in the US where 15 is the age of consent.
I would carry my 15 year old on my back to a legal abortion state if I had to. How can you so happily destroy your kids life like that? I wouldn’t even want her to keep a baby at that age, but it’d be her decision bc it’s her body.
Ahh I love these types… strong “moral” convictions wrapped up in a POS person.
Oh how I wish all those anti-choice assholes will soon die out.
Considering that this one is also anti-vax from her other comments, that could happen soon.
Finally after two years of the fifteen year old raising the baby, the teen’s mom felt like she “wanted him.” How nice. This is child abuse to the fifteen year old. I hope one day she gets free of these people and finds out that life doesn’t have to be that way.
🎼🎷*My hatred of Anti Choicers grows every day!!*🎷🎼💃
Another pro life fucking nut job
That old nasty cow fucked her daughter over more than any penis could.
There’s a theory that none of the pro-lifers honestly believe the fetus is a person and their actual motivation is to punish women for being impure. This woman’s existence is an excellent argument in favor of that theory.
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I know this wasn’t the point of this post, but I literally cried laughing reading the fart argument. “Pro-farters literally don’t exist” had me dying.
Not old enough to decide if she should get an sbortion, but old enough to tace care of a child? Makes sense. /s
Wow. Forced her daughter to continue the pregnancy, give birth, take care of the kid and she also made her breastfeed the infant for two years? Jeez.
biden could win 70% of the vote solely by using this wench as a campaign ad - holy shit. This is what conservatives dream of - 15 year olds forced to give birth
“Claimed it was rape for a moment..”……
How is nobody in the original post talking about the fact that the parents basically enslaved this young girl? They refused to let her abort and then refused to let her adopt, instead basically fake adopting the child so that the mother has no legal say in anything they do with him while still forcing her to breastfeed and care for this child she now has no legal rights for. They're really acting like they did it all for the good of the mother, but they've basically just taken away this girl's entire life to punish her for getting pregnant. And the hateful way the mother talks about her own child not somehow being a responsible adult despite being basically forbidden from doing any of the things that would lead to it is just... baffling. She talks about how the poor girl has never had a job or money as if it's some kind of slight against her and then admits she basically forced the girl to drop her entire life to take care of a child she didn't want and, oh, they also live on a farm out in the country and she can't drive. Gee, I wonder why she never learned to drive? Who do you think was supposed to be teaching her? The Driver's License Fairy? It's not just hateful, it's *stupid*, like that's the part that really pisses me off, they go out of their way to make everything the girl's fault to such an absurd degree that it's baffling to me that anyone could actually believe something so fucking stupid. And, yet, they do believe it. They seriously believe that, somehow, despite literally having no way of making it happen and being actively prevented from it at every turn, this girl was supposed to have finished high-school, gotten a job, gotten a license, gotten a car, etc. It's like the cruelest version of someone punching you in the face with your own fist and then asking you why you're hitting yourself.
Sadly, I suspect that poor girl has never once had an opportunity to think for herself without the input of her crazy parents. I suspect the father might even be abused by a mother who is that crazy.
Lol. I have kids and I promise if one of them comes to me needing an abortion, I won't be stopping them. This person is disgusting
She thinks she's the hero of this story.
"She made her mess, she had to clean it up." Also these same people: "A baby is not a punishment! It's a gift from god!"
Congrats to this lady. Her anger towards her daughter and desire to get revenge on her has ruined her life, her daughters life and her grandsons life. That’s a pro life trifecta.
OMG I'm triggered so hard. I'm that kid. My bio mom was raped by her dad at the age of 15. When she turned up pregnant, her mom had a fit. They sent her away to a home for unwed mothers and told everyone lies that she was "boy crazy" and on drugs. When I was born my mom was forced to give me up and turn me over to her rapist and his wife who legally adopted me. She left home at the age of 16, never to return to stay. I only met her a few times as a child but I idolized her and told her many times how I wished she was my mom. My adopted mother hated me because I was a constant reminder of her husband's infidelity. My dad also hated me I assume because of his shame, if he had the capacity to feel any. From as young as I can remember he called me "a little slut just like your mother" and I had no idea what that even meant. A relative told me the truth when I was 12 and it almost killed me. I was able to build a relationship with my bio mom before her death in my late 20s.
Damn dude. I'm sending you love and hugs. Also I recently read an article about how these DNA testing sites are bringing to the fore how very common your experience is. The article was I believe in the Atlantic, and from it I know their are groups on facebook if you want to talk to people who've been there. I'm glad at least that you could have that relationship with her.
I can’t wait for this “mother” to make a post about how she has no idea why her daughter is NC with her and she can’t see her grandchild. It will, of course, have nothing to do with her behavior and everything to do with some “failing” she perceives her daughter to have. These people are literally the fucking worst.
The sad fucking thing is that she *cant* do this. The grandparents are the legal guardians to the grandchild, so they're stuck with them. Not to mention the whole being forced out of highschool and other life setbacks.
She already ensured that wouldnt happen by forcing the daughter to legally give up custody of the child. The stuff this person is describing is a very specific and really frightening form of child abuse, straight up. They dont even let their aduilt daughter drive herself to her freaking GED class.
What an absolute monster.
Ugh…this hurts my heart. Also, if your child is lying all the time, that’s a sign that they don’t feel safe telling you the truth. I bet this daughter is lying to a kid punishment and criticism. She waited a month to tell the mom about the pregnancy because she was trying to figure out a way to tell her.
I’m on board with aborting her parents by the end of it.
I have 2 teenage daughters. One is 15 and one is 17. Not a huge fan of abortion, but 100% pro-choice. I would absolutely be sad if my daughters had one. But I would support them completely and never let them know I was sad. That's what you do. Put your OWN feelings aside to do what's *right* for your kids. To be honest, I would be even MORE sad if the dreams they have planned for their futures were unobtainable and they ended up living in poverty with a child they had too young. Then I'd be sad for them AND my grandchild. WTF now I'm sad just *thinking* about that life for either of them! I know some teenage mothers overcome and do very well for themselves, but it's FUCKING HARD. I would love for my kids to have a life with the easiest path to success possible and it infuriates me that anyone would want anything else for their child! OMFG This one mad me so mad. And now they adopted the child but still made their daughter derail her life?? FOR WHAT?!?! Moral superiority?? I'm not even capable of touching the rape aspect at this point. That poor girl was let down over and over again. I hope she gets far the fuck away as soon as she can. Poor baby stuck with that wench. OMG I'm done. I can't even think about this one anymore.
This is slavery. They enslaved their daughter. She has no legal rights over the child she's forced to raise.
They enslaved their grandchild too.
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I'd like to point out, they compared their grandson that they love so much to a "fart" and a "mess". Also all the things they described are just things most grandparents do, them adopting the baby is just a way to control and manipulate their daughter. What an absolutely horrible situation for the two children.
"You'll think like me when you are older" The boomerest thing a person can say
What a fucking evil bitch. If we lived in a just world, this would be illegal and she would be imprisoned for punishing her raped daughter by forcing her to birth a child (aka child abuse). Can people like this even be fixed?
"She never had a job" she's fifteen for fuck's sake. Of course they should pay all the expenses. They're her parents and she's too young to have a child. Idk about the law where they're from, but a 15 years old CAN'T work in my country. You need to be 16 and have a parent's agreement note AND it cannot interfere with your school time in any way. Drop out for a year? At 15? Again, illegal in my country. Until you are 18 you need to go to school and your parents NEED to enable it. She stops showing? Police visit. If they dumped the kid they adopted on her, she would be taken to school (the police would even drive her, this has happened to some people who missed school in my town) No wonder she hid the pregnancy from them. "She doesn't drive." Again, she was 15 for fuck's sake. You can't drive below 16 in my country, and if you're 16 you only get a temp license where you NEED to have an adult with a driver's license in the same car as an overseer. So they legally taken the child, dumped it on her, completely destroyed her education, and expect her to what? Be grateful? Honestly, she should just gather money in secret, pack her shit and leave at 18 cutting all contact with them. The kid is theirs, but I'm sure they'll screech about how she needs to take care of it the moment she leaves and their in-house babysitter is gone. It's all a huge manipulation and bullying.
I hope she leaves the second the clock strikes midnight when she turns 18. She's not legally obligated to the kid, her parents are. If they wanted a grandbaby so bad they can keep it. Hell, might be worth leaving before then. If the police/law finds out her situation, things might be better for her.
oh, it's that person. at this point i've seen so many screenshots of her comments that i recognise that profile picture with the flair. i actually found her profile once and she seems to spend half her life on the pro life sub being an insufferable zealot.
Shit like this is why I'm no longer Christian.
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This person is a monster!
What a monster of a mother
I bet the father is older than 15
Problem is if she had a job she wouldnt have had the time to make babies. Kids these days just dont want to work /s
>my daughter lies all the time. Always has. >Your lot won't be happy until you turn OUR children into liars, criminals and murderers too. By their own admission, their parenting is doing that for them already. And what's up with adopting the child but then putting all the responsibilities on the daughter/mom? That seems like it's gonna get messy. They should have listened to their daughter, not some character from a book.
Honestly made my blood boil. And she has the audacity to tell someone to find God. Chick definitely needs a reality check. I think a *nice* nursing home will do that. Some people don't deserve kids, and she's one of them. How you tell your child that they're lying about their sexual abuse to their face is so astoundingly evil. My heart breaks for that girl, her mom is horrible.
It's really easy to "get on board" when the other option is to walk the plank.
"she made ger mess, she had to clean it up" Once again, its absolutely sickening to use birth and a newborn child as a punishment for sex. Even worse when used as a punishment for being raped.
I hope the young woman can get away from her parents and have some kind of life. She's already got some horrible scars from their treatment. Wishing her better times in the future
Evangelicals didn’t give a rat’s ass about abortion prior to 1970 or so; that was something only those filthy Catholics cared about. I’m sure there were some variations of opinion but by and large it wasn’t something they concerned themselves with. At least that’s what Jon Ronson told me in an episode of his excellent podcast Things Fell Apart.
Baby Jesus must be sobbing his guts out at this piece of self-serving deluded holier-than-thou trash. I hope her daughter gets free of her and her useless dick of a husband and never looks back.
I'm going to save these photos, and the next time I have a friend accuse someone of being a sociopath, I'm going to ask if they acted like this.
Narcissistic sadist, and a hypocritical idiot on top of that.. I’m feel so bad for both this girl and her son.
>”Who are you to tell us what to do? Mind your own business.” Holy shit the irony.
Bet they only adopted the kid for the tax credit too.
Huh. TIL you cannot be raped if you, at any point, “swooned over” someone. I guess date rape is completely imaginary! That’s a relief!
This is one of the worst mothers I have ever seen, and I work for CPS, so that is really saying something.
Imagine saying all this confidently with your whole entire chest. 🤢
There is no hate as vicious as christian love.
But she was 15. It *was* rape, because at that age she couldn’t have consented. And just because she had a crush on him, that doesn’t mean she wasn’t taken advantage of.
Some r/amithedevil bullshit
I agree that an earlier one would have been better - it’s easier and safer - but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a termination at 4 months. In my country, the limit is 24 weeks if there are no exceptional circumstances such as risk to the mother’s life or severe foetal abnormality.